EMAIL vs. EMAI-OH - How to make the Dark L - American English
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Don't mispronounce words that end in the Dark L -- many non-native speakers incorrectly make an 'oh' ending. Learn how to make the Dark L and the dark sound instead of the OH.
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A similar process occurs in Brazilian Portuguese. EFL learners tend to say [braˈzɪʊ] instead of [brəˈzɪl], as we don't have the dark "l' in our language (except for some dialects in the countryside). I'm a big fan of your channel, Rachel! Congratulations!
+Carina Fragozo
For me it's sort of easy to make the dark L sound because my grandmother used to say some words, like "sal" and "cal" with the dark L sound LOL
She was brazilian, but her parents were portuguese, that's why she had a little bit of a portuguese (from Portugal) accent =D
+Carina Fragozo Thank you, Carina! And thank you for your comments - it is great to have your input here! :)
+Carina Fragozo Hi Carina, you around here, awesome! (I also follow your channel) Rachel is really fantastic. I'm a big fan too. My pronounce is a lot better because of her.
ESL, Meal, metal.
Carina Fragozo
tu parece a filha do Zezé di Camargo e Luciano.
Zezé di Camargo e Luciano. 😂😂😂
Nobody ever told me there were two L pronunciations ;_;
Until you mentioned them in a video. I was like, wait what?!
Now I'll have to relearn all the words that have a dark L. xD
Thank you! You are a very good teacher!
This video is amazing! I am Japanese, and we don't have the dark L sound.
I'm always struggling to pronounce it, but finally I got something. Thank you very much!
Awesome! Glad I could help!
Hi Rachel, I find the dark 'L' to be one of the hardest sounds in American English, when I was training to reduce my accent, I felt the need to accentuate the 'L' sound by lifting the tip of my tongue to the alveolar ridge area of the mouth. Today, my dark 'L' is comprised of two movements: First, the back of the tongue pulls back, secondly, the tip of the tongue slightly lifts to mimic the regular 'L' sound, if I don't use that sequence, it makes me feel like I'm not pronouncing the word correctly, unless I'm speaking super fast, then there's no time to lift the tip of the tongue. What a pesky little sound!
That's exactly what happened to while studying bulgarian phonology!
I’m from Shanghai, and we have the dark l sound in Shanghai dialect that stands for the oh sound in Mandarin, so my brain spontaneously treats both sounds as the same thing since I’m constantly switching back and forth. I have to force my brain to differentiate the dark l from the oh sound when I’m listening to English. I’m glad that you addressed this particular topic. I feel more comfortable to pronounce these two sounds now. Thank you!
And here I was practicing "L" sound vocalization for London cockney accent. In cockney accent they do the opposite- replace dark L with "w" or "ou" sound. Vietnamese and Brasilians should have no problem with their "L" in London.
I think basically we have “ fe-u” Vietnamese would speak “ feuw”, English say “ feul” as FELL, so the difference is in between of the end of articulation lips “w” or tip of the tongue “l”.
Thanks!
I'm Vietnamese! I know how difficult to pronounce dark L!
Big thanks from Vietnam Rachel, I have been thought they were the same thing.
Thanks so much. I am Chinese, I cannot realize I got this problem until I watch your video! That's helpful!
This video is so fascinating to me. I’m a native American English speaker, but growing up I had speech therapy because I couldn’t pronounce a dark L
Hi Rachel, you made me realized something really important with this video, we truly substitute new sounds with known sounds from our native language. so my question is, can you make a video of the basics or common sounds in the English that we have to get familiar with. so that when we hear them we can actually repeat them??
I'm Vietnamese and dark L is really difficult not only for me but also many other Vietnamese. I'm grateful for your instruction.
Can you pronounce the dark L sound now?
@@nguyenngocminh2102 Yes, I can.
TIP for Vietnamese . Mình không biết nó có đúng không nhưng mà âm dark L nghe như " eo " của việt . Nhưng bạn để ý khi bạn nói từ "meo " thì bạn thả lỏng lưỡi, nhưng "email" thì bạn đẩy lưỡi lên cao hàm răng trên( đừng chạm vào vòm miệng trên ) , giữ ở vị trí đó, hơi gồng cứng .
Bổ sung một tí : email /i-ma-l/ ( phiên âm AHD ) Tức là bạn sẽ phải phát âm đúng nguyên âm / a-/ trước khi phát âm tiếp theo /l/ - ( Bạn nào đã học qua cách phát âm chuẩn từng nguyên - phụ âm chắc sẽ thắc mắ điều này )
Dung vay. L nghe nhu eo-l, khong phai en(l). Vi vay ma bell nghe beo-l, alpha nghe ao(l)pha. Va bill nghe biu(l), Walmart nghe nhu wo(l)mart. Khong phai benl, anlpha, binl, Wonlmart.
I'm Vietnamese. Thank you very much. I Love Rachel' English Channel
You're very welcome Đặng and thanks for watching there!
Special Thanks to both of You !
You're welcome!
Thank you so much Rachel! I’m one of the Vietnamese that struggles with this Dark L, I even have no idea about it until watching your video 😭😭😭
You're welcome Lucy!
My mother language is Mandarin. There is no OH sound in Mandarin. OU in Mandarin is the same as the Dark L in English. I did take some time to practice the OH sound but I found what I made sounded more like U or W rather than OH. Finally, I gave up and have to substitute OH with the Dark L when I speak English.
thank you so much.I am Chinese.I really think these two sounds are completely same.But I will practice.
pull
full
wolf
Those are the words that I struggle with. With the dark L sound, I am finally able to pronounce them right.
Terrific job!
This video reminds a situation a lived in the U.S. when I was told to look for a person called "Beo" (an African name pronounced like bɪoʊ) and it sounded like "Bill" (bɪl) to me. So I asked for Bill to everybody, but no one could find him. After a couple of minutes they realized that the name was actually Beo and not Bill, and I found him.
Thanks for your videos, Rachel!
+Rafael Duarte Aguilera Great story and example! Thank you for sharing!
Rachel you're such a kind person !!!Thank you so much for giving us the oportunity to improve our prounounciation!!!
I'm a native English speaker but I still find your videos fascinating.
Thanks a lot Tyson!
explanation about the pronouncing part really helps!
Great!
I have been trying to figure out the difference for more than 10years, thanks a lot
You're welcome!
Same thing occurs in Bulgarian. Younger people (born after 1990 or so) say a "w" sound instead of a dark l, because the dark l recently disappeared from the language, but nobody is aware of that, even those who speak with a dark l don't notice it when someone substitutes w for l
Thanks for sharing Yordan!
But the Bulgarian dark L is pronounced by moving the tip of your tongue behind your upper front teeth. It sounds dark only because you make it really thin and spiky. So it’s quite different than the American dark L, and this makes it even more difficult for Bulgarians to pronounce it the right way.
Thanks for that! I finally learned how to pronounce the "dark L".
Great!
I like this kind of explanation for pronunciation of words. I also took many types of explanation by different coaches and/or instructors worldwide thru U-Tube videos. I appreciated my Japlish improvement getting closer to Native speakers.
Thanks for sharing!
First time I hear about the existence of two L! You're a wonderful teacher. I appreciate your help. God bless you!!
I'm brazilian and that's true story about the Dark L and OH. Nice vídeo
5:00 ii meu!! esse troço é complicado!!! kkkj
Pronúncia complicada. Rss
My three words with dark L: Retail, Bill and Hell. Thanks for your videos, it helps me so much to progress in my English learning.
I'm from Colombia, and this sound is very difficult to do, however I'm practicing it, thank you.
You're welcome @stevenvillamizar2121!
Bright explanation! All the words that end in -all, including the very "all".
Well
I like your videos very much. Your teaching is simple and easy to understand
I'm glad to hear that! @mEStuff
dark l and light l sound has the same starting place in IPA diagram. They begin at the alveolar or the high and front of your mouse and but dark l ends in the low and back of your mouse as described in the video :)
awesome video for dark l
Thanks Ramzy!
" Bowl" is the perfect word to know the difference between the dark L and OH sound. OW is OH and L is the dark L. Look at yourself in the mirror. Your lip should be rounded when you pronounce the OW, whereas your lip should be relaxed when you pronounce the L in the end.
I Love your vídeos! !!Thank for help my english. Iam from Brazil.
L (él)
Hello there and thanks for watching! :)
Best explanation ever seen
As a brazilian i must say it helped a lot Rachel, thanks
The British dark L is a vocalised L. That means the L has become a vowel.
The dark L is in 3 forms:
1. "a schwa followed by a /u/", as in "vowel", "mail";
2. a /u/, as in "bull"; or
3. a /o/, as in "doll".
(For 2 & 3, the vocalised dark L is turned into a vowel similar to the preceding vowel, usually pronounced without lip rounding.)
For the dark L, the tongue tip doesn't touch the alveolar ridge. If it does, it is not a dark L but a light L.
For the light L, the tongue tip touches the alveolar ridge.
Hi, Rachel.
Can you make a video showing how to pronunce sentences using words ending in the Dark L followed by words starting in a vowel, like "I need to sell it"
Thank you
+Ana Luisa
You just need to move the L to the next word. Instead of _"Sell it[Dark L]"_ you pronounce it as _"Se- Lit[Regular L]"_
+Lucas T
Words that connect. Rachel has several videos about this topic on her channel. Actually, her most seen video talks exactly about that
+Ana Luisa Lucas T is right about linking the Dark L to the following word - however, don't change it to a Light L, it should stay a Dark L. This is a great suggestion for a specific linking video - I appreciate the comment!
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It should be changed into a light L!
I'm vietnamese. I live in Ha Noi . I have a trouble with Dark L like you show it in this video. THank you so much for made it .
You're welcome!
Thank you!
You're welcome Isabella!
Thank you so much, Rachel. I always learn so much from your lessons!
My pleasure Barbara!
Thanks a lot. I cannot tell ou from dark L solely with listening. But with the help of lips, I get the difference now. Very nice teaching!
WonderFUL lesson and I'm so thankFUL!
Thanks a lot!
to make it correctly, you need to press the FLAT FRONT PART of your tounge against the roof of your mouth. So as the tip of your tounge touches the backside teeth while your front part of your tounge is flat. You don't just use your toungue tip to make the dark L. You need to use more part of your front toungue so the dark L comes out correctly. Don't focus on the sound coming in the back of the mouth because it's irrelevant, if you well-position your toungue to make the sound then the sound in the back of your mouth will come out correctly
My three words: fall, full, battle. Thanks from China.
A big thank from Viet Nam
I'm Vietnamese and I always say EMAI-OH until I see this video, thank you! :)
Hello there and thanks for watching!
Thanks a lot
You're welcome!
So clear. I've seen some instructors tell students to say oh instead as a tip. This comparison was amazing and easy to understand. I'm a big fan of yours! Thanks a lot for great lessons!
Thank you, Rachel.
My pleasure @weisslin!
2:20 4:36 4:58 7:00
It's quite helpful! Thank you! I need to add it to my practice list to practice every day!
You're welcome!
Thank you, Racho. Opps, thanks Rachellllllll.
Hi Rachel, I'm your very poor Fan. when I saw and hear your channel then I try as you. But I can't but trying to pronounce as you as a American.what a excellent pronunciation of yours. I'm trying from Bangladesh to be like you. Thanks a lot. God bless you.
Hey Rachel... thank you for lesson . However , now I am learning the dark L I have difficulty to pronounce de R because in both the tongue goes back and does not touch the mouth palate . Now especially the words ending with R becomes tough to pronounce them for I feel like they sound like dark L . Words like Fear and Feel become very similar for me and then difficult to pronounce. Can you help me figure it out. Thank you.
Hi! Yes! For the Dark L, the tongue should pull back, but the middle of the tongue will not lift up the way it does for the R. Also, for the R, the tongue will pull back very slightly, but not as much as for the Dark L. I would watch the videos on the R and the Dark L carefully and pay attention to the description of the tongue position - I think you'll find the difference more clearly that way.
Dark L: ua-cam.com/video/FP0jHNoFqWo/v-deo.html&vl=en
R: ua-cam.com/video/Jq_yIbrD01c/v-deo.html
Rachel's English thank you so much Rachel’s English 🤗🤗 starting to see clearer. I appreciate everything you are doing for us🙏😍😍
really helpful. Thanks!
Thanks Jessica!
Wall,walk , Bell,well,nail,hell.(Thank you ! Teacher.)
Dark L with OH is not that corect but is a great substitution. As I Know people in South Vietnam do the same for Foreign words with L ending. Thank you Rachel!!
Wow Rachel, fantastic. I think us, brazilians in general, really have a hard time to pronounce the dark L. Thank you so much!
3 words: call, fail, bail.
Đúng cái mà cháu đang tìm kiếm, đó cũng là lỗi khi phát âm của cháu. Cảm ơn cô rất nhiều.
Rache! This is exactly what I needed to learn at this point of my progress. Thank you very much! Now I see my problem and can fix it with practice. People, ball, Rachel......People, ball, Rachel......People, ball, Rachel......People, ball, Rachel......
thanks
Rachel you are great ,thank you very much for helping learning American English,,,,I want to say that dark L is unfamiliar to arabs too and difficult, I find it more difficult in words such as: help / Google/ exactly / people/ general / article .
Rachel, for real, y'all helped a hell lot!
Great! Enjoyed
Thanks Becky!
It reminds me of a British English dialect (I believe Cockney English) that may have the same problem. The word "bottle" that should be pronounced as [ˈbɔtəɫ] or [ˈbɔɾəɫ], sounds like [ˈbɔʔo].
I`m learning a lot from your book Rachel, thanks a lot , here are my 3 words:
self, people, battle
My words for the challenge are: Trivial, Casual, Ball and Pull. Thank you Rachel.
+María Cristina Reina M Nice! Those are all Dark Ls - well done!
Thanks for your explanation Rachel. The dark L sound is the last sound I learned how to pronounce properly in english, it took me much more time than the other sounds. The problem I have now is when the dark L sound is between a vowel/diphthong and a consonant, like in "always", "shoulder", "soldier", "help" and "milk". In those words I tend to drop the L sound or turn it into the w/oh sound. Can you help me please?
THANK YOU
You're welcome
i found that roll up the tongue makes the L sound more clear,, (correct me if im wrong)
about finding the familiar sounds, it brought me such a hard time changing my accent (still bothers me..), cuz even the sounds are possibly the same, it's still not actually the way that native speaker speaks that;; and when u try to fill in a sentence within that word, for tongue that it isn't easy to be continued moving the way that it feels comfortable. It's quite similar to the situation that u r counting down and randomly using both Roman numerals and Arabic numerals, they mean the same, but look different.
A million thanks Rachel. You're the best
You're welcome!
Rachel, you are the best!
Thanks Wang!
Very good
Thanks Ronaldo!
Thanks so lot Rachel! It is so useful.
You're so welcome Hưng!
At the end of the L Sound Tip of the tongue Should touch The black of the front Teeth. Right?
Dear Rachel I find so confused between the difference of BE and AE with the word containing dark l like "old" "told" "cold" the way American people pronounce is hard to mimic. I would be very grateful if you can help me with it. Thank you very much, btw I love your method of teaching pronunciation, I major in English at my university but I would say my time I spent on Rachel English improving my pronunciation is much than I spent on my college's time. Now I can see a clear improvement, without your helpful lessons I would be in the middle of nowhere. Keep going, you will always have my back. An admirer from Vietnam, with love :D :D :D
Im Vietnamese, it is too hard with me. Thank u!
Wow. Thank you very much!
You're welcome @renanlll6542!
Code vs cold
Good one. My Chinese friend (who grew up in China Town SF rather than in China) says code in place of cold. He doesn't appear able to detect the difference. You have to want it.
Hi, Rachel, I learned something new in this video awesome video you've made this one darl L ending OH I like a lot thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Tks a lot. I am a vietnamese
Hi rachel,
I think a native italian speaker like me tends to make a different mistake, not changing dark L with OH but just with a light L. We tend to pronounce every letter the same way no matters where it is in the phrase.
My three words ending with dark L are:
drill
bottle
google :)
Bye
+Angelo De Florio Awesome job on those words - and yes - a lot of people do make the Dark L into Light L, you are not alone. The nice thing about that switch is that it is usually still clear what word you are saying and so it does not create too much confusion! :)
+Rachel's English Ok, but having an awesome pronunciation teacher like you, we must pronounce it the right way ;)
By the way, also in Rachel we have a dark L, right?
+Angelo De Florio Yes! There is a Dark L in my name!
Super helpful! Thank you!
My pleasure Lynne!
For me it was more difficult to learn than the "TH" sounds. Thank you for the video :)
I agree. I've been studying English for more than ten years and still can't get this the proper way all the time. It's a struggle, but improving is always good
Yes, it is. But with practice we can do this sound correctly.
Small
Table
People
Thx Rachel ❤
You're welcome Amanda!
Thank u Mrs Rachel ; From Morocco
Thanks Rachel and chi Quyen.
I remember when you said that in a podcast for English Experts. It was great. You have no idea (you actually do haha) how many people in Brazil also make this substitution. This video couldn't be more helpful. :)
I have to record how "L" is pronounced on the street in Hong Kong and let you hear it! =P It is (tense) E - LO here in cantonese intonation, with both syllables stressed.
Fantastic video. Thank you so much!
You're welcome!
Another great video!!!
Haha, Rachel's English is now my only source of english pronunciation input aside from American TV shows and movies and of course UA-cam videos.
I love American English and it's my goal to achieve perfect american-like pronunciation.
I won't settle for less.
With your help it seems attainable.
Thanks, Rachel. :)
The ō is not made at the front of a mouth. It’s made at the back but higher than the vowel Ll
I finally got that sound ! So difficult! Thank you for the lesson.
Giọng cười không lẫn đi đâu được chị đồng hương ạ. =))