Effective Cymbal Cleaning using Bar Keepers Friend
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Effective Cymbal Cleaning using Bar Keepers Friend. Quick. Painless. Very effective. *NOTE - I don't use coloured sticks. The drummer who used my cymbals did :/
WARNING - Bar Keepers friend is an abrasive, though slight. Use gently and at your own discretion. Like most cymbal cleaners, this will remove logos so be careful around them if you want to preserve those.
I have some classic 70's Zildjians I got with a drum kit. I stopped in the store and got a can of BKF. I laid down a sponge mat, hose, some old, cotton socks, and went to work. I wanted clean not spectacular. In 30 minutes I had both sides of top/bottom hi-hat and a 16" and 20" ride done on both sides. Thanks for the video.
MIKE SCHUMACHER Hey can I ask what type of BKF product you used?
Nice! That's what I'm talking about!
I use this exclusively for cymbal cleaning. But I would add one caveat. Make sure you rinse the cymbals thoroughly to remove ALL residue. If you leave oxalic acid on cymbals, it can discolor them over time.
Yes, a thorough rinsing is very important! Thanks mate!
Was that a Curly from Three Stooges impression? Many kudos
You paid for decent sounding cymbals. You get the logo's to advertise their products. Bollocks to the logo's. I know what I've got, they sound good. Personally I hate advertising if I'm not getting paid for it.
These days, I couldn't agree more! Especially the older I get.
@@RockyBourgoyne exactly..... I'm nearly 137 year's old!
The downside is that they will lose resale value.
@@spangalang .....ive overcome that by never selling any cymbals......I now have a wonderful collection of over 30 cymbals....I also still have the Remo RotoToms I purchased back in the seventies......8+10+12+14+18...... someone decided to take the 16 from me at a gig many moons ago..........so to part with some valuable information..... keep an eye on your gear when packing up
Here in Brazil, we don't know what is 'Bar keepers Friend'
but, well, it seems to very good ...
It really works. Old & new cymbals ✨✨✨
I’ve switched to wooden sticks for a change been playing nylon tips for years.5A’s
The Sabina safe and sound from formula works well. No acid, no harsh chemicals or compounds, odor free, etc. it’s lotion consistency and wets the oxidation and prints and polishes out pretty nice. Not as harsh on your cymbals as these type of abrasive, caustic materials... IF you care about that. I have switched from good ole Buckaroo to the new Sabian formula for the sake of being able to do it indoors without chasing the family away.
Love the sound effects during application!
Easy on the LOGO!
I have hear that is what Zildjian means in fake Arabic.
@@dragons_red Zildjian is an armenian family name, they're just called turkish because the family was from the ottoman empire, but the blood of the family is armenian
Is that rain in the back ground ?
I also find mother rim polisher cleans cymbals really nice
This works, but be careful of the logos !!
Great tip,thanks mang!
Will this work with Zildjian A line Cymbals that have grooves or ar we simply clogging them up or scratching them??
I suggest trying on a very small area first. I use them on Zild. A customs with no problem. A few of my rides have deep grooves but never noticed any clogging if you rinse immediately after. It will remove logos off if you're not careful!
@@RockyBourgoyne I bought bar keepers. It worked great. I also bought Groover Juice. Total ripoff. A Joke and did Nothing but fill my lungs w toxic fumes! Never again.
Namanya itu untuk membersihkan simbal dan belinya di mana.
I like u ur fun :)and great way to clean ur cymbals
Hey nice video tutorial! I'm just gonna ask if the product also works on traditional finish A Zildjian?
Eli Garcia wait it cleaned it and made it shiny?
Brilliant!
was that curly from 3 stooges lol
Man...forgive me if I'm wrong but, is that stuff anything like Comet or Ajax? They both come in an identical container, and they are both VERY ABRASIVE. They are made using something like volcanic pumace (meteor collision result, actually). Vitrified sand, basically. I've never used BF before, or even seen it used before now. If that stuff is abrasive it would seriously harm your cymbals. How long have you been using this for?
I don't clean my cymbals often but I have cleaned them with BKF for about 8 years with no problems, using the same exact one I bought 8 years ago for 50 pesos ($2.5). I have used it on Zildjian A customs (16 years old), Meinl Brilliant Byzances (10 years), and Paiste's 101 (17 years old, I tried it on these first). I used brand cymbal cleaners they all work, with some you have to put more effort or use more product, or be more careful around the logos, etc. All of them have their drawbacks and all of them are expensive, compared with 1 can of BKF that can last you many uses.
Ajax has different active ingredients (bleach, sodium and calcium carbonates). Bar Keepers' Friend active ingredient is Oxalic Acid which is present in most cymbal cleaners and has been used for ages to clean and polish bronze and brass.
"I leave it on about 10, 15, 20 seconds" Then proceeds to leave it on for a minute! LOL
Keen observation there, mate!
Bar Keepers Friend is acidic. You don't need much at all...use a medium-stiff brush, and go with the grooves/grain. I would not use it on a brilliant finished cymbal.
I like it can I buy
Gracias muy bueno
Estheff Flores que le echo ?
Will this work on older cymbals too?
Best I have ever found: www.homedepot.com/p/Flitz-7-6-oz-Green-Metal-Plastic-and-Fiberglass-Polish-Liquid-Bottle-LQ-04587/205494732 your welcome
i use coloured sticks. never had these problems. hmmm.
You're lucky! What kind of sticks you use?
Rocky Bourgoyne what kind of sticks to you use? I've never heard a of a colored stick put color on a cymbal
Rocky Bourgoyne Usually I play with VicFirrh Jojo Mayer Signature (white Sticks). sometimes Weckls Signature (orange sticks).
ohhh i don't play Vic Firth any more break too fast
Erratic Boss well, maybe.. Can't say much. I hit heavy from time to time, but not constantly. who cares 😬
this is for cleaning sinks not cymbals. they make specific cymbal cleaners for a reason. definitely a dumb idea.
Most cymbal cleaner's active ingredient is Oxalic Acid and which is the same active ingredient in Bar Keepers. Yes, you are correct, this is used for sinks, but also used on expensive stove-tops, counter-tops, ceramics, porcelain and copper which are inside multi-million dollar homes. They wouldn't want those items getting scratched up or ruined would they? No they wouldn't. Bar keepers is cheap as hell. What is a dumb idea is believing in marketing by companies who highly mark up price for basically the same stuff (just packaged differently). Don't be a sheep. Think outside the box, save some money and have nicely cleaned cymbals. I record drums for a living and have been using this stuff for years. If you want to believe the hype, then by all-means go pay $$ for some "cymbal cleaner".
+Rocky Bourgoyne I'll do it the right way and you keep scratching the hell out of your cymbals. better yet, use sand paper, that's cheaper.
To each their own my friend. You take pristine care of your cymbals and I'll continue to stress less using B.K.F. to clean mine while using them to make fantastic sounding records.
Yeah, they make them to sucker idiots in like yourself to waste money on something you don't need. Do your own research, why would you believe the company who is trying to sell you something or one of the professionals recommending it because they get free shit from the company (sponsored)?
Show me the independent scientific research that shows "cymbol polish" is better?
I have a friend, bartender but I don't allow him to touch my cymbals, even for free rounds.
I saw this video, went and bought some BKF at Lowes, cleaned all 8 Zildjians (brilliant and traditional finish) prior to a show in one hour! Cymbals shined like new under the lights! (Note: I did use the black temp gloves during cleaning). Thank you for this video. Cheers friend! ~ML
It did good on the traditional cymbals as well?
Thanks for the tip on BKF! I'm going to try this. Btw, what was that noise at 1:00? It scared my cat.
LOL!! That's the "in-progress" sound I make which I do so much, I'm not even aware of it anymore :P Watched way too much Three Stooges growing up!
That was so funny...
Mitch Trotter That’s Curly, from the Three Stooges. I laughed out loud when I heard him do that. Hilarious.
I agree, as I've used Barkeepers friend for years, and actually discovered it on a internet message board. It easier and cheaper to use than these cleaners touted by various cymbal companies. My oldest cymbal (Zildjain) is 30+ years old and it still looks good. Big name players have a fleet of roadies that polish their cymbals after EVERY gig, thus they look brand new during a show. My main problem with cymbals is not tarnish but STICK MARKS, which many polishes have trouble removing. BKF removes stick marks easily and tarnish stains as well. On a side note, I've found that one should polish their cybals regularly as heaving tarnishing can permanently stain a cymbal. I saw a guy online use every from ketchup to gasoline to clean his cymbals! LOL. I'm not that intense, but BKF does a nice job.
Barkeepers Friend in liquid or powder? I think i heard it remove too much of the cymbal protection using this BKF but i'm not sure and It's been a while. How is your cymbal looking after 3 years now that you made this comment?
For the record, this works awesome, HOWEVER. USE THE LIQUID KIND. The powder left small, nearly microscopic abrasions in parts of my cymbals. nothing too terrible, but still. The liquid kind didn't. Also, I cleaned up an entire set of lugs and hardware off a Ludwig Super Classic Pro Beat using the liquid kind (much more labor intensive), and found that it's rather hard on the hands. I actually had a few decent sized cuts from using it. My hands were soaked in it for extended periods of time for several days though, so that could've been it, too, but gloves wouldn't be a terrible idea. other than that, it doesn't negatively alter the sound. It simply brightens the sound/less muffled from grime. If you hate it, the audience won't notice a difference, and eventually they'll get patina'd again.
Thanks for the tip Ryan! As for the nearly microscopic abrasions; I haven't seen anything which concerns me enough to stop using. I haven't seen the liquid in my local stores, but I will definitely try it.
+Rocky Bourgoyne where can I find this product
MWD19862809
You can find it in most chain stores in the states. I bought it from Target.
+Rocky Bourgoyne ok thanks man
Ryan Sargent how would this go on really dirty cymbals? The state of mine are fucking atrocious haha . Not just finger marks and stuff they might be too far gone im not sure
Naoa sells mother's mag and wheel cleaner paste been
Playing 70 years so
I know a little lol bar keepers is real good as we all know
I have actually seen bar keeper's friend advertised as Cymbal Cleaner on eBay.....(check it out).....£10. !!....the same thing you buy in Home Bargains for £1.75!!....And....The chump hasn't even changed the container it's in!...he has had a new printed label on it but it's still in the white container with the blue lid.......talk about blatant rip-off...you can't make that shit up!!....some people have brass neck's..
I use this on cymbals too. And I strongly recommend that you rinse your cymbals very thoroughly after using BKF. It contains Oxalic acid which is GREAT as a bronze cleaning agent but can discolor cymbals if you leave the residue on them long term. Just make sure you rinse the cymbals clean with a hose or in a utility sink/bath tub to get any remaining residue off.
Totally agree!
Bar Keepers Rocks!!!
I just cleaned my hi hats from the 70’s & my 20” ride from late 70’s early 80’s so much brighter
I use red sticks. No issues with cymbals but coated heads will get red on them. You can rub it off though
Thanks for the tip. This stuff works great. Had all my cymbals shining in under an hour. Cheers mate 👍.
Thanks, dude!
One blunt per cymbal or ?
Great tip. Thanks man.
Does it affect the logo?
It eats the painted lettering off. I touch them up with permanent Sharpy.
Yes, it does. Be very careful when cleaning and you'll be okay!
Nope. The ONLY thing I trust on my Zildjian cymbals is Brasso. Used since the mid 1970's through the late 1980's, although I understand that the formula has changed ☹.
Nice!!
I was stunned by the result made my k custom hybrid hats look new again
Do they still look good? No weird issue in the long run? I head this product is a bit too harsh for cymbals.
I thought I was the only one using this, they have a cream version now.
Do you still use this? i saw many people having problems with this because it removes too much from the cymbal. How does it work out for you after all theses years ?
Still using this technique to this day. Never once had an issue. Just be careful around the logos if you like your logos.
Did this change the sound or warp the cymbal at all?
No, it didn't warp mine, nor have I heard it warping anyone else's. However, anytime you thoroughly clean a cymbal, it's going to make it sound sightly different (usually brighter) due to all the dirt being removed.
+Rocky Bourgoyne good, and if you go to hard on logos do they come off? I do like the logos
+EpicNick24
Yes, as with most cleaners it WILL remove logos and it doesn't even need to rubbed hard; even slightly touching logos will remove it so don't go anywhere near them and go slow... take your time and you'll be ok.
Don't do this actually. I've done it with a handful of cymbals and while it removes pretty much every mark you could imagine, it also removes the protective coating. This means that the cymbal loses its golden color, and worse - every fingerprint you leave on the cymbal will turn a strange copper color that really stands out, and you'll be doing this cleaning process weekly just to keep them at bay.
The A Customs in this video still look brand new. You're the first person I've seen have these issues. I've never experienced this, and I've used it on a few different brands and types going over a decade. The coating you speak of will naturally and eventually wear off the more you play your cymbal anyway. What cymbals did you have issues with? Please share.
Does BKF remove the logos? Looks like yours came out safe.
It can, yes. Be careful around them and you will be alright.
It's both cool, and sad to see kids discovering the stuff us old timers were doing 40 years ago. It's a shame the younger generation doesn't really speak to the older drummer,.... the secrets they could learn!!
Do you know if it removes the logos on it??
well old doesnt mean right, i saw many people having problems with this because it removes too much from the cymbal
Everyone is different, but I would like to see actual scale weights on a cymbal, then clean it 100 times, and reweigh it. It's not easy to wipe off grams of metal, and even with benefit of the doubt, I bet 99% of drummer could not tell audibly if a few grams dissapeared over 20 years.
@@vintagedrumcollector its not about the weight, its about the protective coating being removed by bkf. It can lead to weird spots or rust etc.
@@vintagedrumcollector Exactly! I would also bet most drummers have lost the ability to hear certain highs after a number of years too :P As I mentioned before, if you're recording, then the highs on the cymbals will be reduced anyway. Mixing engineers shave off butt loads of highs all the time off the overheads. It's standard practice. So the sounds of cymbals are always being altered all the time. If playing live, it matters zero.
I’ll never understand why guys will spend hundreds of dollars on cymbals but cheap out on harsh abrasive cleaners that are meant for kitchen sinks. For the love of god, stop being cheap and just buy cymbal cleaner!
Yes, you are correct, this is used for sinks. And you know what? These sinks are found inside multi-million dollar homes. Have you ever priced a high-end sink, stove top or copper kitchen hood before? Some cost way more than any cymbal and Bar keepers is used for these. If you want to believe the hype, then by all-means go pay $$ for some "cymbal cleaner". The abrasives in your toothpaste are more damaging to your teeth than this stuff. By the way, I'm not a guy who spends "hundreds of dollars" on cymbals. It's more like thousands. Far from cheap.
I don't clean my cymbals often but I have cleaned them with BKF for about 8 years with no problems, using the same exact one I bought 8 years ago for 50 pesos ($2.5). I have used it on Zildjian A customs (16 years old), Meinl Brilliant Byzances (10 years), and Paiste's 101 (17 years old, I tried it on these first). I used brand cymbal cleaners they all work, with some you have to put more effort or use more product, or be more careful around the logos, etc. All of them have their drawbacks and all of them are expensive, compared with 1 can of BKF that can last you many uses. I remember Dunlop's cymbal cleaner and the Zildjian one looked like diluted versions of BKF in liquid form.
Well genius let me turn it around on you:
I can't believe there are people with more money than brains that spend far too much money on "high end" cymbols that sound "better" and the waste even more money on "special" expensive polishes when they can get the same results with off the shelf products. Like PT Barnum said, a sucker born.every minute.
@@dragons_red bar keepers friend: 2 dollars
Bright stuff cymbal cleaner: 8 dollars
Am I a sucker for spending 6 whole extra dollars on something made to clean cymbals?
This can destr5the tone of your Cymbals. This stuff if very abrasive.
You just have to remove it within a reasonable amount of time.
Like anyone would notice if it did.
I will bet you the is no proof of this and if you did blind tests with "expert" drum ears you would still have no evidence.
Have u tried it on a traditional cymbal?
No I haven't. Did you try this yet? I'm curious myself. If not, maybe try it on a tiny spot first.
That's the best
Totally agree mate!
I like the Curly style singing at 1:00 😄.
Anyway that looks like it works great. I have a cymbal with some hints of green oxidation, I'm gonna try this on it.
Thanks.
Go for it! I'm watching The Three Stooges as I type this :)