I have to get this off my chest Omni man accelerates himself when he flies, that means that even if he can go FLT+ when traveling it isn't a "feat" its just basic physics. If nothing slows him down, and he can speed himself up, he can reach near-lightspeed under basic physics. When Krillin sidesteps near-FTL attacks he does that from standing still, and his flight might be slower but big deal basically? What is omni-man going to do charge headfirst at the fucking marital artist? Does that usually go well?
I've... never actually considered it like that, huh, i guess that's something i should consider going fowards. Like yeah, reaction times matter, but I've never considered acceleration.
@@MapperComunista According the invincible handbook, Viltrumite's faster than light travel works through smart atom based wormhole jumps that are generated when they try to accelerate beyond relativistic speeds. So they don't even really fly at faster than light speeds so much as they teleport if they try to fly really fast. Basically comic book physics.
Hence is why I know longer watch Death Battle. They have stopped caring about doing their job a long time ago. Ben 10 vs Green Lantern was the big showcase of that.
The Omnitrix literally can save Ben with a reaction time that is practically instantaneous (outside of a time bomb, but that helped create the prime timeline anyways) so Ben can pretty much never actually lose unless he goes up against a god-level threat.@@grantbarday5760
I can remember off the top of my head at least two times before the Ben 10 vs Green Lantern fight that showed that DB did not due their research and in one case was biased because of their parent company. The first Link vs Cloud gave it away by giving Link all his gear and then only giving Cloud starter gear, a ribbon, and his limit breaks. Said Link won because the gauntlets used to lift heavy objects he wore helped in the fight…. when the only time that gear is ever used for battle in any Zelda game is to either throw objects or toss stunned enemies. If they can fight back, they do nothing. They then had a “rematch” much later and had Cloud win, but it doesn’t change that they screwed up the first time around. The biased case was Yang vs Tifa and that was done because Rooster Teeth was a sister company under the same umbrella and the higher ups wanted Yang to win to make RWBY look good for the new season. They botched the showing by splitting it up into parts and accidentally showed the response to the fight before the fight. Don’t know if it’s true or not, but rumors sprang up later that one of the DB staff said that fight was wrong when they looked back at how bad of a job they did with info and Tifa would have won if they actually did research like they did somewhat with the Sephiroth battle. Someone else pointed out the stats for Tifa that was used put her beyond what Yang could handle.
One thing that is always referenced about Krillin, but never really talked about is how he actually has the best Ki control of the cast. Stuff like the destructo disk and bending ki-blast waves and having them do other crazy shit are things that other characters are able to do eventually, but only after Krillin does it first, and he's able to do that because his ki control lets him experiment like that.
I’m just gonna say this Bardock(I mean giving him super Sayian was just overkill) should have won that fight. Deathbattle completely called that wrong, especially there feats. Well that why I watch it for entertainment rather than accuracy.
But then that’s not really a fight at all, you’re just proving a point to the enemy that you’re not winning this fight and is running away with piss-stained pants. Although it’s a wise decision 😂
@@Swagtrap_CZima stop you here, some of y’all really just want db characters to be gods that you can glaze to eternity. Krillin is a human, he cannot breathe in space.
@ have you seen OG dragon ball? Goku sent monster carrot and his 2 henchmen on the moon where there’s no atmosphere (they’re shown to be still there in the moro arc). And krillin along with tien and roshi survived and fought in a realm of infinite nothingness. He can survive in space just fine.
The invincible fanboys need to realize that invincible characters are written and scaled to serve the invincible story not to beat up dragonball characters. Like you wouldn't have George Costanza from Seinfeld be a multiverse level threat that'd just be weird.
Well DBZ power scaling is also wack and not consistent at all. Apparently Namek saga Vegeta could destroy a planet? But then everyone punches each other? And then people just eat these planet destroying moves like they're made of water... None of it is consistent or makes sense.
@@pauld.b7129it does make sense, it’s just they’re stronger or around that level. 😐 even then, this isn’t meant to be shit that’s “real” fuckin aliens that shoot laser beams n fly at infinite speeds n shit, what’s real about that?
@pauld.b7129 "But then everyone punches each other?" I hate when people try to use this to downplay Dragon Ball characters. Yeah, they punch each other. And yeah, their punches have planet level+ AP. Is the Special Beam Cannon a fodder attack because it has low AoE? Is the Death Beam a fodder attack because it has low AoE? No, because the lower an attack's AoE, then the more AP and speed it has relative to the energy put into it. So to bring that logic to their punches, if they blew up a planet every time they punched each other, then their opponent would be taking literally thousands of times less damage for each hit. And with comic book/anime logic, impacts from their punches can only have so much AoE to begin with before needing to become ranged ki techniques.
Yeah, this is a boring video. Not in a sense it sucks but in the sense of pretty obvious who’s gonna win Krillin. What I would’ve loved to see yajorobi!
Even without scaling, krillin is one of the best martial artists EVER. If he used his solar flare then a destructo disc its OVER. Omni man has no chance and he never will.
Exactly. Didn't destructo disk cut off part of Frieza's tail? The writers do Krillin dirty. If he could master multi form technique and if each clone threw a solar flare/destructo disk combo he could defeat any mortal being.
At best, Omni-man can beat the humans in the red ribbon army, excluding Tao. If they aren't human or a basic animal/dinosaur, Omni-man gets wrecked. Then, of the main cast, probably the only one that can fight that he MIGHT beat is chi-chi. And that's largely just due to the fact that she can't fly or manipulate ki in any way. He may be relative to cyborg Tao and have an advantage since Tao also can't fly
@@crazedmodz4835 Yes he absolutely can. He casually scales above star levels like tech jacket, tech jacket has star level scaling in his own comics and the skybound website confirms he is canon to invincible
Before watching video: When talking about the Avg and leaving out outliers like Vegeta and Omniman and other powerhouses the average sayan and Viltrimite are around equal. Both can’t blow up a planet but they can wipe out life on planets. When looking at those outliers though, yeah even in Sayan saga Vegeta scales way past Omniman/Mark at end of series.
I have always said Dragon ball characters are god tier in all other series. Yamcha is Goku in any other series. Cecil wishes he could recruit from the DB earth.
The speed thing is an interesting take. Becasue omniman has a ton of anti speed feats, even in the comics. I mean the guardians of the globe defeated omniman in one timeline. Meaning his combat speed was comparable to theirs.😂 and darkwing has no super speed. And while the databook claims travel speed = combat speed for allen, it also says on a planets atmosphere they dont go above mach 10. 😂 So his speed is all over the place. Not that it matters for this fight. Krillen would be faster regardless.
@@nuclearwaste2062 You do realize that darkwing didn’t participate in that fight righty? Even then that just upscales the guardians and in an atmosphere it may say that but not because they can’t go faster, they choose not to, to not destroy the planet. But even then it’s been disproven in canon when invincible and others dodge laser weapons and lighting stated to travel at 60,000 miles per second. And after all of that travel should equal reaction speed regardless
@@unrecognizably Saiyan saga had the feat where he dodged asteroids on his trip to namek, I’ve seen calcs getting that to 1.4 trillion to 2.3 trillion times FTL. Omni man does have metas that get higher than that
Your point about red rush was a good one. If Nolan could fight at light speed alone then red rush should have been a piece of cake. He clearly struggled to get him Early in the fight. Imo, speed was the only thing omni man had over DBZ.
the problem with dragon ball characters is that there is an official power scale built in; a power level of 140 is moon level destruction because of roshi, krillin at the start of z at 200 is pressing omniman so hard, not to meantion if you threw in krillin post saiyan saga or namek arc. omniman gets washed by the some of the background characters in the BD universe
More science and math went into this video than all of Dragonball haha And I 100% agree. There's no scenario where Omniman would win, based on canonical feats in both series
Omni man is not beating any SOLO planetary character because he is a fruad,let alone a multi planetary character(a PL of 9k+ is multi planetary without trying,King Vegeta blew up multiple hands without trying)
@@Image_empire in Omni man’s own words, he said he would die on contact if he hit the planet a little bit off, and you said that he was able to scale to star level make it make sense. The math ain’t nothing and also King Vegeta and Bardock are able to destroy planets with the wave of their hands Bardock a little bit more difficult but still since you’re similar to each other last time I checked, it took the planet of being destabilized three viltrmites and a lot of prep time to actually destroy the planet, so where is the math?
@@rozonmcdonald8750 I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size. Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar) Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar) High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
@ I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size. Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar) Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar) High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level) LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
Thank you! Finally I found someone on YT who knows that flat out speed isn't the same as combat reflexes and speed. Everyone else uses flight speed only and it's so dumb.
4:43 Technically in the comics Omniman defeats the Guardians and his second encounter with the Immortal without a scratch, and in seconds. In the show the lengthen this encounters for the eye candy only. Doesn’t change the outcome of the fight, but it’s worth mentioning that comic Omniman is significantly and more consistently stronger than his animated counterpart.
So to really understand the context of the Viltrum feat it gets looked at as just a standard planet which it isn’t Thaedus who said that if He, Nolan, Mark, Tech Jacket, and Allen didn’t hit the planet at the exact same time as the laser they would most likely die Except one major issue with his statement is that literally every thing that could have gone wrong in that final assault went wrong Allen and Tech Jacket were intercepted during the final assault leaving it to the 3 Viltrumites who thought they were on a suicide mission And low and behold when we do get the full scope of the destruction we discover that the Infinity Ray has already passed through the planet just as the Viltrumites crash into its surface meaning the core of Viltrum was already restabilized which Thaedus feared would happen This means that Nolan, Mark and Thaedus were solely responsible for the planet’s destruction The destruction of a planet that is capable of surviving Star level attacks Meaning that Nolan is far and above planet level
Solar flare + destructo Disk and its done....You know Omniman would be over confident due to Krillin being a human.....and if he dodged he would get beat down anyways.
remember in the cell saga when krillen tossed a stone and the gravity of the planet was enough to hurt goku? or in super when the frieza solider lazered goku almost killing him. or when bulma slap someone? or in super normal weak characters are still able to follow everything going on....meaning speed feats are irrelevant. these characters are not invincible. but honestly dragonballl has shit writing, it never should have reached planet level destruction.
Tien is the strongest human, not Krillin. I don't care how many pity level ups they give him, Krillin stopped training twice, once for seven years, while Tien constantly trained his entire life.
Nope, Tien is a human hybrid. Those 3 eyes are because he's actually an alien, not a full blooded human. Krill is factually the strongest full blooded human, no modifications, no alien DNA. Gohan is the strongest Human Hybrid, and 17/18 are the strongest modified humans.
I think Krillin tanking a punch from early-mid DBS Goku (who is currently around Multi Galaxy to Low Galaxy Cluster level from pure estimate) is already enough of an argument, fr tho get omni man past yajirobe first 😭
DBZ power scaling is ridiculously wack though. Everyone stronger than Tien apparently can destroy a planet which is ridiculous. Half the time the Kamehameha is just like a water gun to enemies, even though it could theoretically destroy the planet. Krillin is also scared and rarely uses his abilities in any useful way.
It's still missunderstood that goku went serious when he sparred with Krillin as a SSJB, but it has been explained before that it was just to test to see how he would react to huge power gaps between him and his rival. If SSJB goku punched krillin hard FR he would VAPORIZE inmediately
Even if Krillin was .00000000001% as strong as base Goku he’d be infinitely stronger than Omni man let alone SSB Goku dragonball power scaling is whacky bro
Accurately argued Raditz is small to mid level planet buster. Thragg vs Raditz is a 50/50 because Thragg’s speed might get him the win before he breaks himself too much of Raditz
Durability probably also bears mentioning; everything you've said is on point, but durability I've noticed in DBZ is an issue. Goku in as far along in the story as Dragon ball super nearly dies to being shot by a normal gun, and back in the saiyan saga Vegeta gets cut with a sword (with Krillin intending on finishing the job, meaning it's possible to cut him). Krillin's destructo disc would absolutely slice Omni-man in half, but Omni-man likewise could slice Krilling apart too but with his bare hands. Just how powerful is a punch from Krillin vs a punch from Omni-man, and can Krillin survive a punch intended to kill from Omni-man.
Sorry in advance for being the paragraph guy But, according to my limited knowledge, bardock is at the power level of 10k, which is EXACTLY at planet busting level, and other saiyans, such as king vegeta, have been shown destroying multiple planets with flicks of their wrists, and saiyan saga vegeta is supposedly stronger than his father, at 18k, so let's say king vegeta is 15k, 15k to destroy 3 planets with a wave, and omni-man needed 2 other viltrumites to destroy an unstable planet, accounting for this, he's like 1/4th planet level, meaning bardock would rock his shit with 1 punch, as toriyama states that one only needs a 20% higher power level to easily defeat an opponent
Death battle: "Bardok scales to someone who destroyed 3 planets, and Omniman destroyed a single planet with help. So Omniman is stronger than Bardok." They are just farming hate
That death battle should have been Bardock's the second he goes SSJ. Theres no way his "Smart cells" can keep up with being vaporized. Especially consider mark could barley fight in the sun for a couple minutes. Also flying in space should be way easier then flying on a planet. They have no resistance, so their speed would constantly increase. You're 100% right a out his combat speed being mid at best compared to DBZ
@@rafaelpereira7815 To date, they've pumped out three planet busting half-Saiyans, one hell of an Earthling, a relatively-badass-in-her-own-right-but-unfortunately-she's-from-GT quarter-Saiyan, and the jury's still out on Krillin and 18's kid.
like the problem I said like you dbz cult - you only reference there energy feat vs there physical feat. Whats to point to have the energy to blow up a planet but not the physical defense to handle it. Blades, guns, and human weapons can harm krillin. Its proven that Yajirobe sword skills could harm sayan arc Vegeta comparing to Omni too Krillin in frieza arc issue is that krillin would been killed by Omni man being he is physically stronger than Krillin and be more durable. Kriollin physical strength is no where near Omniman strength base on feats.
You realize dragon ball characters aren’t as physically strong as they look right? Goku could only handle like 20 or so tons physically but if he bumps his energy output he can handle more weight. Dragon ball characters strength comes from their energy output not their physicality. You just don’t know anything bud
See what u doing I'm not talking about goku dip shit I'm talking about krillin and making this long response on how it works for goku but didn't bring up krillin once to debate it. Maybe u need to stop drinking the purple koolaid bud.
Dragon ball show: fist fights and small explosions Dragon ball fans "oh but this person is relative to this person who is relative to this person who (etc etc)...is relative to this person who blew up the moon which makes him smal universal"
The wiki classes him as a "Human-type Earthling (Mutant)." That said, Krillin's Ressurection F bio calls him "the strongest Earthling warrior" with no mention of Uub at all, so even ignoring the first part, there's that. Majuub probably outclasses him, but do fusions really count?
almost every character in dbz can blow up a planet since the android saga. dbz characters are so powerful the story makes no sense if you think about it for too long.
Now that i know that destroying a viltrumite heart will kill them, as they cant regenerate it? You dont need Krillin, not even Yamcha, Tao Paipai and a good placed Dodonpa can take Thrag out with ease.
Technically, the "strength" stat is probably their worst physical one. Their striking power power vastly outstrips their ability to move or lift large objects. However, Goku's "faster than light" feat in dragonball vs Tien is nonsense. It's literally just the author ignoring physics, and shouldn't be taken seriously. You'd have a better argument that light travels inexplicably slowly sometimes.
Killen is not ftl speed, it consistently takes time for characters to move around a planet in dragon ball. So flying speed in dragon ball is definitely not even near light speed, (lightspeed would take a fraction of a second to move anywhere on the planet)...
I believe Krillin could win this but it's odd how you take comic feats but also focus on the show just cause yes Nolan struggles against the guardians in the show but he ends all of them in a single panel in the comics
See this? This is called power scaling. I love to watch people whine and complain about how characters from some shows can't beat other characters even though it's obvious that they can. Especially when jokes are made relating to it. For instance, Deku from My Hero Academia wouldn't even stand a chance against Yamcha.
Saiyan Saga Krillin, would stand as much chance against Omni-Man as he would vs Nappa, so long as Nolan is as instinctual as Nappa to dodge the Disc. But yes, generally everyone during and hence after the Namek Saga will beat him. Also, just want to say, Krillin when afraid, which is too often, doesn't freaking think. We all say "Solar Flare into Destructo Disc and its GG" but WHEN, WHEEEEEEEEN has Krillin EVER done that? Sadly, Never. Imagine if he immediately Disc'd Freeza after blinding his unable to sense ki ass. Well, we'd see an even scarier Freeza honestly, cause the guy actually wouldn't have died. Hmm, if Freeza "Transformed" while bisected at the waist, could he "heal" like Piccolo in a sense?
Krillin???? Get bro past yajirobe first 😭
Got omni man like split Frieza.
Yajirobe??? get past Yamcha first😂
get pass kid gohan 1st or baby broly
@@totemas2010isn’t Yamcha stronger then yajirobe
@@totemas2010 Yamcha is vastly stonger than Yajirobe silly.
If Chi Chi was in Invincible she would be one of the top tiers
Farmer with shotgun solos omni man
@@ImtoolazytomakenamesRegular humans in DB with no ki control with be kill by omniman
@@tauceti8060 Its clearly a joke dude
Chi chi is not a full blooded human, and she was kicking gokus ass when they first met. Js. It actually checks out with her. @@tauceti8060
Chi chi is also highly slept on because she is simply a background character. But she's actually quite strong, and not a full blooded human anyway.
Krillin survives sex with 18 every single night. He’s a true warrior.
No, 18 survives sex with _Krillin._ He's just gentleman enough to let her win.
Bro’s not getting past farmer with a shotgun 😭
😂😂
didnt that guy get killed on several occasions?
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That’s hurcules martial arts teach
Perfect Cell from DAU
"I burned down his farm"
"It wasn't that kind of farm" 😂
I have to get this off my chest
Omni man accelerates himself when he flies, that means that even if he can go FLT+ when traveling it isn't a "feat" its just basic physics.
If nothing slows him down, and he can speed himself up, he can reach near-lightspeed under basic physics.
When Krillin sidesteps near-FTL attacks he does that from standing still, and his flight might be slower but big deal basically? What is omni-man going to do charge headfirst at the fucking marital artist? Does that usually go well?
Yeah not to mention this speed only works in space where nothing can slow down his momentum. There's nigh no ftl feats on earth or any planet
Also, by using physics, you reach the speed of light is impossible
I've... never actually considered it like that, huh, i guess that's something i should consider going fowards. Like yeah, reaction times matter, but I've never considered acceleration.
@MapperComunista it's comic book physics. Nolan flew from earth to thraxa, which is in another galaxy, in a couple of weeks.
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According the invincible handbook, Viltrumite's faster than light travel works through smart atom based wormhole jumps that are generated when they try to accelerate beyond relativistic speeds.
So they don't even really fly at faster than light speeds so much as they teleport if they try to fly really fast.
Basically comic book physics.
My GOAT Bardock was robbed.
Spitting here, sir!
Hence is why I know longer watch Death Battle. They have stopped caring about doing their job a long time ago. Ben 10 vs Green Lantern was the big showcase of that.
The Omnitrix literally can save Ben with a reaction time that is practically instantaneous (outside of a time bomb, but that helped create the prime timeline anyways) so Ben can pretty much never actually lose unless he goes up against a god-level threat.@@grantbarday5760
@@grantbarday5760i swear they fully lean on the rage bait for views now lol
@@420snipsmcgeedatboi8 wouldn’t surprise me. They’re not a respectable channel anymore and they know it lol
I can remember off the top of my head at least two times before the Ben 10 vs Green Lantern fight that showed that DB did not due their research and in one case was biased because of their parent company.
The first Link vs Cloud gave it away by giving Link all his gear and then only giving Cloud starter gear, a ribbon, and his limit breaks. Said Link won because the gauntlets used to lift heavy objects he wore helped in the fight…. when the only time that gear is ever used for battle in any Zelda game is to either throw objects or toss stunned enemies. If they can fight back, they do nothing. They then had a “rematch” much later and had Cloud win, but it doesn’t change that they screwed up the first time around.
The biased case was Yang vs Tifa and that was done because Rooster Teeth was a sister company under the same umbrella and the higher ups wanted Yang to win to make RWBY look good for the new season. They botched the showing by splitting it up into parts and accidentally showed the response to the fight before the fight.
Don’t know if it’s true or not, but rumors sprang up later that one of the DB staff said that fight was wrong when they looked back at how bad of a job they did with info and Tifa would have won if they actually did research like they did somewhat with the Sephiroth battle. Someone else pointed out the stats for Tifa that was used put her beyond what Yang could handle.
This is the definition of a super nova vs a still born baby💀
Fr they couldn't even get past Mr satan
Nobody can win against Mr satan he killed cell something even Goku couldn't do
@@Akshay5567-hf2kwHe also beat that bastard Beebus.
@@Blacktemplarmarine354 Nobody stands a chance against his world famous Dynamite Kick technique.
@@TinyDeskEngineerwhy do I get the feeling if he was one of the z fighters the move would been long upgraded to nuclear levels?
Krillin's expert martial arts skills are also just pure overkill😂
Maybe one day, Omni Man can beat Yamcha if he trains hard enough!
yamcha moro arc is even stronger now
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One thing that is always referenced about Krillin, but never really talked about is how he actually has the best Ki control of the cast. Stuff like the destructo disk and bending ki-blast waves and having them do other crazy shit are things that other characters are able to do eventually, but only after Krillin does it first, and he's able to do that because his ki control lets him experiment like that.
You forgot Yamcha's Sokidan that was before any of Krillin's best ki control feats
I’m just gonna say this Bardock(I mean giving him super Sayian was just overkill) should have won that fight. Deathbattle completely called that wrong, especially there feats. Well that why I watch it for entertainment rather than accuracy.
I think even Nappa could kill Omni Man. Get bro passed Raditz first
Nolan's only advantage is being able to survive in space. So he could run away I guess.
Hes not outrunning a ki blast
If monster carrot and his 2 very much human henchmen were able to survive on the moon, krillin can survive in vacuum aswell
But then that’s not really a fight at all, you’re just proving a point to the enemy that you’re not winning this fight and is running away with piss-stained pants. Although it’s a wise decision 😂
@@Swagtrap_CZima stop you here, some of y’all really just want db characters to be gods that you can glaze to eternity. Krillin is a human, he cannot breathe in space.
@ have you seen OG dragon ball? Goku sent monster carrot and his 2 henchmen on the moon where there’s no atmosphere (they’re shown to be still there in the moro arc). And krillin along with tien and roshi survived and fought in a realm of infinite nothingness. He can survive in space just fine.
The invincible fanboys need to realize that invincible characters are written and scaled to serve the invincible story not to beat up dragonball characters.
Like you wouldn't have George Costanza from Seinfeld be a multiverse level threat that'd just be weird.
Well DBZ power scaling is also wack and not consistent at all. Apparently Namek saga Vegeta could destroy a planet? But then everyone punches each other? And then people just eat these planet destroying moves like they're made of water... None of it is consistent or makes sense.
It's because their durability is above planet level...should not be hard to understand@@pauld.b7129
George "T-Bone" Castanza solos the Invincible multiverse. Prove me wrong, Kirkman.
@@pauld.b7129it does make sense, it’s just they’re stronger or around that level. 😐 even then, this isn’t meant to be shit that’s “real” fuckin aliens that shoot laser beams n fly at infinite speeds n shit, what’s real about that?
@pauld.b7129 "But then everyone punches each other?"
I hate when people try to use this to downplay Dragon Ball characters. Yeah, they punch each other. And yeah, their punches have planet level+ AP.
Is the Special Beam Cannon a fodder attack because it has low AoE? Is the Death Beam a fodder attack because it has low AoE? No, because the lower an attack's AoE, then the more AP and speed it has relative to the energy put into it. So to bring that logic to their punches, if they blew up a planet every time they punched each other, then their opponent would be taking literally thousands of times less damage for each hit. And with comic book/anime logic, impacts from their punches can only have so much AoE to begin with before needing to become ranged ki techniques.
Yeah, this is a boring video. Not in a sense it sucks but in the sense of pretty obvious who’s gonna win Krillin. What I would’ve loved to see yajorobi!
Even without scaling, krillin is one of the best martial artists EVER. If he used his solar flare then a destructo disc its OVER. Omni man has no chance and he never will.
Exactly. Didn't destructo disk cut off part of Frieza's tail? The writers do Krillin dirty. If he could master multi form technique and if each clone threw a solar flare/destructo disk combo he could defeat any mortal being.
@Poetryman6969 FINALLY, someone who actually knows how good of a fighter krillin is!
At best, Omni-man can beat the humans in the red ribbon army, excluding Tao. If they aren't human or a basic animal/dinosaur, Omni-man gets wrecked. Then, of the main cast, probably the only one that can fight that he MIGHT beat is chi-chi. And that's largely just due to the fact that she can't fly or manipulate ki in any way. He may be relative to cyborg Tao and have an advantage since Tao also can't fly
I’d say Omni man can hang with some early saiyans. Like Bardock, king Vegeta and even saiyan saga goku
@@Image_empire Omni Man cannot hang around any of them
@@crazedmodz4835 Yes he absolutely can. He casually scales above star levels like tech jacket, tech jacket has star level scaling in his own comics and the skybound website confirms he is canon to invincible
@Image_empire I would put him at continent level at max.
@@SirBaconMonkey Continental is absolutely crazy. Even the lowest of all viltrum calcs are moon level. And even those aren’t valid
Mr satan / hercules fucking demolish omni man by a milestone
Before watching video: When talking about the Avg and leaving out outliers like Vegeta and Omniman and other powerhouses the average sayan and Viltrimite are around equal. Both can’t blow up a planet but they can wipe out life on planets. When looking at those outliers though, yeah even in Sayan saga Vegeta scales way past Omniman/Mark at end of series.
Ozaru form thats all im gonna say
I have always said Dragon ball characters are god tier in all other series. Yamcha is Goku in any other series. Cecil wishes he could recruit from the DB earth.
You should have stopped at at Namek saga Krillin
The speed thing is an interesting take. Becasue omniman has a ton of anti speed feats, even in the comics.
I mean the guardians of the globe defeated omniman in one timeline. Meaning his combat speed was comparable to theirs.😂 and darkwing has no super speed.
And while the databook claims travel speed = combat speed for allen, it also says on a planets atmosphere they dont go above mach 10. 😂
So his speed is all over the place. Not that it matters for this fight. Krillen would be faster regardless.
@@nuclearwaste2062 You do realize that darkwing didn’t participate in that fight righty? Even then that just upscales the guardians and in an atmosphere it may say that but not because they can’t go faster, they choose not to, to not destroy the planet. But even then it’s been disproven in canon when invincible and others dodge laser weapons and lighting stated to travel at 60,000 miles per second. And after all of that travel should equal reaction speed regardless
@@Image_empire doesn’t matter they’re alot slower than your average saiyan. gokus been ftl+ since he was a 12 yo consistently too.
@@unrecognizably Omni man went 3.4 billion times FTL and his reaction would scale to that. Nvm marks higher trillions of times FTL ends
@ slower than goku in saiyan saga 🤦♂️
@@unrecognizably Saiyan saga had the feat where he dodged asteroids on his trip to namek, I’ve seen calcs getting that to 1.4 trillion to 2.3 trillion times FTL. Omni man does have metas that get higher than that
Your point about red rush was a good one. If Nolan could fight at light speed alone then red rush should have been a piece of cake. He clearly struggled to get him Early in the fight. Imo, speed was the only thing omni man had over DBZ.
the problem with dragon ball characters is that there is an official power scale built in; a power level of 140 is moon level destruction because of roshi, krillin at the start of z at 200 is pressing omniman so hard, not to meantion if you threw in krillin post saiyan saga or namek arc. omniman gets washed by the some of the background characters in the BD universe
More science and math went into this video than all of Dragonball haha
And I 100% agree. There's no scenario where Omniman would win, based on canonical feats in both series
Omni man is not beating any SOLO planetary character because he is a fruad,let alone a multi planetary character(a PL of 9k+ is multi planetary without trying,King Vegeta blew up multiple hands without trying)
Of course he can. The viltrum bust is a far more impressive feat when you look into its true context and not taking it at face value
@@Image_empire in Omni man’s own words, he said he would die on contact if he hit the planet a little bit off, and you said that he was able to scale to star level make it make sense. The math ain’t nothing and also King Vegeta and Bardock are able to destroy planets with the wave of their hands Bardock a little bit more difficult but still since you’re similar to each other last time I checked, it took the planet of being destabilized three viltrmites and a lot of prep time to actually destroy the planet, so where is the math?
@@rozonmcdonald8750 I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size.
Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar)
Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar)
High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
@@Image_empireviltrum bust is not impressive 🤦🏽♂️it’s cute tho for three people. Bardock alone would destroy viltrum
@ I mean there’s more to that feat than most people think. For one thadues wouldn’t actually know if they would die, in fact he says that COULD but not that they would, this would be because he hasn’t actually ever planet busted, he isn’t exactly a reliable source when it comes to destroying a planet. Secondly it’s far more likely the heat of the core would have done them in rather than the impact as viltrumites are weak to heat. Which no that Dosent negate scaling, Martian manhunter gets hurt by everyday fire and he can still scale to Superman. And if you want to argue that space racers gun was significant than that only serves to upscale the feat as his gun is stated to bust stars and anything in the cosmos. Meaning it would upscale anything from stars to pulsars, pulsars having solar system GBE. And small planet calcs shouldn’t even be valid as they have a yield lower than viltrums GBE, GBE being the gravitational binding energy which is required to overcome to bust a celestial object wether that be a planet, moon or star. Considering viltrums smallest moon is spherical that means it must be 1000 kilometers and when comparing pixels viltrum would be 70.625 times larger than the Moon making viltrum 70,625 kilometers in size.
Low end: 3.5582439e+38/3 = 1.1860813e+38J or 28.35 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 1.1860813e+38/52881772.8 = 2.2428925e+30N (Stellar)
Mid end: 1.4234452e+39/3 = 4.7448173e+38J or ~113.4 Ninatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.7448173e+38/52881772.8 = 8.9725004e+30N (Stellar)
High end: 1.2821648e+40/3 = 4.2738827e+39J or ~1.02 Tenatons of TNT (Dwarf Star level)
LS- 4.2738827e+39/52881772.8 = 8.0819581e+31N (Stellar)
Chaostzu solos~🗿
Thank you! Finally I found someone on YT who knows that flat out speed isn't the same as combat reflexes and speed. Everyone else uses flight speed only and it's so dumb.
Death Battle really dropped the ball hard.
Krillin: "You don't seem to understand...My life _is not yours to take~"_
krillin in the end of super is probably multi solar system level so he no-diffs the entire invincible universe
4:43 Technically in the comics Omniman defeats the Guardians and his second encounter with the Immortal without a scratch, and in seconds. In the show the lengthen this encounters for the eye candy only.
Doesn’t change the outcome of the fight, but it’s worth mentioning that comic Omniman is significantly and more consistently stronger than his animated counterpart.
Background music is fire 🔥
@@batboythecool thanks Brody I try really hard on that in specific
I was so pissed when the Distructo Disk did nothing to Cell.
So to really understand the context of the Viltrum feat it gets looked at as just a standard planet which it isn’t
Thaedus who said that if He, Nolan, Mark, Tech Jacket, and Allen didn’t hit the planet at the exact same time as the laser they would most likely die
Except one major issue with his statement is that literally every thing that could have gone wrong in that final assault went wrong
Allen and Tech Jacket were intercepted during the final assault leaving it to the 3 Viltrumites who thought they were on a suicide mission
And low and behold when we do get the full scope of the destruction we discover that the Infinity Ray has already passed through the planet just as the Viltrumites crash into its surface meaning the core of Viltrum was already restabilized which Thaedus feared would happen
This means that Nolan, Mark and Thaedus were solely responsible for the planet’s destruction
The destruction of a planet that is capable of surviving Star level attacks
Meaning that Nolan is far and above planet level
Well it is pretty obvious that krillin stomps from the start, I woud have preferred to see closer match ups than this though
Solar flare + destructo Disk and its done....You know Omniman would be over confident due to Krillin being a human.....and if he dodged he would get beat down anyways.
Lol, you can practically hear the thumbnail 😅
Krillin: "Hey, Nolan?"
*PUNCH*
Krillin: "Get off my planet, would ya?"
Hey bro I love your vids, can I request something? If yes, can you do Garou in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai?
Krillin????
Get bro past Goku braincells first 😭
Piccolo's attack that obliterated the moon did absolutely nothing to radditz. And that move was small planet level.
remember in the cell saga when krillen tossed a stone and the gravity of the planet was enough to hurt goku?
or in super when the frieza solider lazered goku almost killing him.
or when bulma slap someone?
or in super normal weak characters are still able to follow everything going on....meaning speed feats are irrelevant.
these characters are not invincible.
but honestly dragonballl has shit writing, it never should have reached planet level destruction.
Lets be real here better match up would be Yamcha and omni man
Namek Arc Krillin has a power level of 75 000
Nolan was getting hit by Guardians so he would be more believable as a victim of unknown murderer.
Tien is the strongest human, not Krillin. I don't care how many pity level ups they give him, Krillin stopped training twice, once for seven years, while Tien constantly trained his entire life.
Yknow.. People say the same for Vegeta vs Goku..
Nope, Tien is a human hybrid. Those 3 eyes are because he's actually an alien, not a full blooded human. Krill is factually the strongest full blooded human, no modifications, no alien DNA.
Gohan is the strongest Human Hybrid, and 17/18 are the strongest modified humans.
I think Krillin tanking a punch from early-mid DBS Goku (who is currently around Multi Galaxy to Low Galaxy Cluster level from pure estimate) is already enough of an argument, fr tho get omni man past yajirobe first 😭
DBZ power scaling is ridiculously wack though. Everyone stronger than Tien apparently can destroy a planet which is ridiculous. Half the time the Kamehameha is just like a water gun to enemies, even though it could theoretically destroy the planet. Krillin is also scared and rarely uses his abilities in any useful way.
It's still missunderstood that goku went serious when he sparred with Krillin as a SSJB, but it has been explained before that it was just to test to see how he would react to huge power gaps between him and his rival. If SSJB goku punched krillin hard FR he would VAPORIZE inmediately
Even if Krillin was .00000000001% as strong as base Goku he’d be infinitely stronger than Omni man let alone SSB Goku dragonball power scaling is whacky bro
@sbthesage2100 i'm well aware, just mentioning for thoose who might missunderstand.
lol Death battle needed to stir up traffic. If they keep it up they'll be pretty much gone again.
I agree with death battle on Omni-Man vs Bardock. People remember that was a close fight so Krillin by the Namek Saga he bests both essay
on everybody's soul Krillin is squad wiping the viltrumites lol
now not forget the personaleti
omni wud try the same taktik and it wud work at first. XD
No lie, Namek saga Krillin makes light work of Omni Man
i dont even think they can get past Mr.Roshi from og dragon ball 😂😂
1 kienzan and Omni man is erased from existence😔
There are few characters in fiction who would even stand a chance against Yamcha, let alone Krillin or Saiyans.
Accurately argued Raditz is small to mid level planet buster. Thragg vs Raditz is a 50/50 because Thragg’s speed might get him the win before he breaks himself too much of Raditz
Durability probably also bears mentioning; everything you've said is on point, but durability I've noticed in DBZ is an issue. Goku in as far along in the story as Dragon ball super nearly dies to being shot by a normal gun, and back in the saiyan saga Vegeta gets cut with a sword (with Krillin intending on finishing the job, meaning it's possible to cut him). Krillin's destructo disc would absolutely slice Omni-man in half, but Omni-man likewise could slice Krilling apart too but with his bare hands.
Just how powerful is a punch from Krillin vs a punch from Omni-man, and can Krillin survive a punch intended to kill from Omni-man.
Sorry in advance for being the paragraph guy
But, according to my limited knowledge, bardock is at the power level of 10k, which is EXACTLY at planet busting level, and other saiyans, such as king vegeta, have been shown destroying multiple planets with flicks of their wrists, and saiyan saga vegeta is supposedly stronger than his father, at 18k, so let's say king vegeta is 15k, 15k to destroy 3 planets with a wave, and omni-man needed 2 other viltrumites to destroy an unstable planet, accounting for this, he's like 1/4th planet level, meaning bardock would rock his shit with 1 punch, as toriyama states that one only needs a 20% higher power level to easily defeat an opponent
Death battle: "Bardok scales to someone who destroyed 3 planets, and Omniman destroyed a single planet with help. So Omniman is stronger than Bardok." They are just farming hate
As dbza once said 'powerlevels are bs' so he probably got low-balled
Mr. Satan would give Nolan a respectable fight.
That death battle should have been Bardock's the second he goes SSJ. Theres no way his "Smart cells" can keep up with being vaporized. Especially consider mark could barley fight in the sun for a couple minutes.
Also flying in space should be way easier then flying on a planet. They have no resistance, so their speed would constantly increase. You're 100% right a out his combat speed being mid at best compared to DBZ
Krillin got hurt by a bullet
The krildawg dog walks Nolan and ssj bardock.
chi chi would solo
Dragon ball wombs are planet level not gonna lie
@@rafaelpereira7815 To date, they've pumped out three planet busting half-Saiyans, one hell of an Earthling, a relatively-badass-in-her-own-right-but-unfortunately-she's-from-GT quarter-Saiyan, and the jury's still out on Krillin and 18's kid.
like the problem I said like you dbz cult - you only reference there energy feat vs there physical feat. Whats to point to have the energy to blow up a planet but not the physical defense to handle it.
Blades, guns, and human weapons can harm krillin. Its proven that Yajirobe sword skills could harm sayan arc Vegeta comparing to Omni too Krillin in frieza arc issue is that krillin would been killed by Omni man being he is physically stronger than Krillin and be more durable. Kriollin physical strength is no where near Omniman strength base on feats.
You realize dragon ball characters aren’t as physically strong as they look right? Goku could only handle like 20 or so tons physically but if he bumps his energy output he can handle more weight. Dragon ball characters strength comes from their energy output not their physicality. You just don’t know anything bud
See what u doing I'm not talking about goku dip shit I'm talking about krillin and making this long response on how it works for goku but didn't bring up krillin once to debate it. Maybe u need to stop drinking the purple koolaid bud.
Dragon ball show: fist fights and small explosions
Dragon ball fans "oh but this person is relative to this person who is relative to this person who (etc etc)...is relative to this person who blew up the moon which makes him smal universal"
Try Chaoitzu before krillin the strongest human😭
Chiaotzu is like undead or something. Not really human.
Wait, people think Death Battle is reputable?
Do Steven Universe vs Invincible
Steven clears
Mr. Satan could beat Nolan.
Nolan would get food poisoning.
Bro is not getting past ginyu as a frog
Strongest human? What about uub?
The wiki classes him as a "Human-type Earthling (Mutant)." That said, Krillin's Ressurection F bio calls him "the strongest Earthling warrior" with no mention of Uub at all, so even ignoring the first part, there's that. Majuub probably outclasses him, but do fusions really count?
almost every character in dbz can blow up a planet since the android saga. dbz characters are so powerful the story makes no sense if you think about it for too long.
Bro is NOT getting past unborn Pan
Now that i know that destroying a viltrumite heart will kill them, as they cant regenerate it?
You dont need Krillin, not even Yamcha, Tao Paipai and a good placed Dodonpa can take Thrag out with ease.
Dragon Ball background characters are probably stronger than most of anime greats.
Technically, the "strength" stat is probably their worst physical one. Their striking power power vastly outstrips their ability to move or lift large objects.
However, Goku's "faster than light" feat in dragonball vs Tien is nonsense. It's literally just the author ignoring physics, and shouldn't be taken seriously. You'd have a better argument that light travels inexplicably slowly sometimes.
Bro needs to KEEP his ass in Invincible
Satella from re zero vs the invincible universe and how far would satella get in dragon ball
My initail reaction. "No shit."
Erm chat im new, what does 'calc' mean
Calculated
It's a type of powder.
Killen is not ftl speed, it consistently takes time for characters to move around a planet in dragon ball. So flying speed in dragon ball is definitely not even near light speed, (lightspeed would take a fraction of a second to move anywhere on the planet)...
I believe Krillin could win this but it's odd how you take comic feats but also focus on the show just cause yes Nolan struggles against the guardians in the show but he ends all of them in a single panel in the comics
Krillin would crush Nolan’s face through half the planet and then slice him in half with energy discs
Yamucha vs invincible ?
OG dragon ball Yamcha vs Invincible might be a fair fight
cuz if it's Dbz yamcha or even higher
invincible gets vaporized
Yeah Krillin could totally solo the majority of the Invincible universe💯😅😅😅😅
Bro wtf can kirrlin even blow a planet up
Destructor discs boom and it’s over
"But can he beat Chiaotzu tho?" 🤔
Dragonball walks away with this one easy. Team Krillin
If we could attempt to put a powerlevel on nolan what would it be? 🤔
@@kaichiuchiha1074 around like 100-200 probably
Not one of any dragon ball characters would last round one 😂
Krillin vs Bobobo-bo bo-bobo
Ah the cult of dragon ball
See this? This is called power scaling.
I love to watch people whine and complain about how characters from some shows can't beat other characters even though it's obvious that they can. Especially when jokes are made relating to it. For instance, Deku from My Hero Academia wouldn't even stand a chance against Yamcha.
Mr satan vs viltramites
Absolutely based, viltrumites glazers can't deal with empirical evidence. Lmao
Saiyan Saga Krillin, would stand as much chance against Omni-Man as he would vs Nappa, so long as Nolan is as instinctual as Nappa to dodge the Disc.
But yes, generally everyone during and hence after the Namek Saga will beat him.
Also, just want to say, Krillin when afraid, which is too often, doesn't freaking think. We all say "Solar Flare into Destructo Disc and its GG" but WHEN, WHEEEEEEEEN has Krillin EVER done that? Sadly, Never. Imagine if he immediately Disc'd Freeza after blinding his unable to sense ki ass. Well, we'd see an even scarier Freeza honestly, cause the guy actually wouldn't have died. Hmm, if Freeza "Transformed" while bisected at the waist, could he "heal" like Piccolo in a sense?