They really aren't villains though. They are just shady. Fan support is because they are entertaining and polished queens and really aren't all that unlikeable unless you have no sense of humor.
right. Plane was shadier similar to Violet but does not get the same hate because they're skinny/handsome young men.. People are just hypocrites that they won't admit it
I don’t consider her a bully or a bad person but i don’t understand how people don’t see how messy she is, now fans claimed her as the queen of good shade but during her season she kept midding through and in the reunion she contradicted herself looking like a fool the entire time, I absolutely don’t think she’s what people believe she is
I think the plane jane trajectory is the most entertaining i ve seen a meangirl be presented on this show.She is a funny Dr Doofenschmirtz and i love that
I think mistress getting banned on twitter just goes to show how easy it can be for a relatively small number of people to de-platform a small content creator. I dont think opinion changed that much on mistress tbh, i think people just became more vocal in their appreciation of her after seeing her get backlash for basically nothing
@@RuPaulsDragRaceRejudged I heard, from a video done by goth reviewing the runway, it fits more into the punk aesthetic... either way I don't mind it winning. Production rn really feels like it's trying to even out the wins because this has been a close ass race!
I love how Plane is praise for being so shady when essentially all she says is "you're a pig you're ugly and your drag is stupid" but when MIB and Luxx give actual shade they get them hate nukes from some of the fanbase. It's actually laughable just to see how much she gets bc she's attractive and appeals to a certain part of the fanbase.
I think we can include Nina bonina brown as well. She was the winner in premiere, gaga told her to her face that nina was stunning. She was going REALLY confident and strong. Then, one episode, she was sad that she couldnt get blac chyna part but didnt make much of a fuss, aja had a full blown meltdown, yet nina was so criticized by the judges and was put in bottom 3 for NO reason. Then she also had strong moment in snatch game. However, after that valentina thing, she felt she didnt even have a fight and sent her friend home, however shea and others acted like she was bichy?? Then when she was in a sewing challenge where she couldnt do much and was in the bottom again, she was sad. We clearly know she suffers depression, but the other queens literally came for her for expressing her feelings.... like gurl. She was so strong in the begining, and then production flipped the switch and made her a damsel when she is a bad Bich
I can't speak for anyone else but S16 has been great because of all the bitchiness. Even just from the queens who are left, Plane Jane, Morphine, Q and Dawn are all savage and it's hilarious. That's not even considering some great catty moments from queens like Amanda and Sapphira. This whole season has been highly entertaining.
I would add Miz Cracker to the list During season 10 she was an absolute fan favorite, maybe the biggest fan favorite. She followed Katya's footsteps of reviewing the show o her channel while it was airing and many many fans adored her humour and wit. That combined with her "robbed" storyline also added to her popularity, because she came close to winning lots of challenges but would just be able to snatch a win at the end of the competition, and she was eliminated by Kameron the following episode. Fans really wanted her to succeed and I'm SURE that if Miss Congeniality was voted by fans on season 10, she would have got it. Ok, forward the tape a little bit to All Stars 5, for some unexplicable reason (I still don't get it) people started to hate her. They didn't like her aesthetic, her personality, got mad whenever she got a win... And I still don't know what happened, because I don't see much difference in her on both seasons.
I think the Ongina thing put a bad taste in peoples mouths in episode 2. I also think Crackers high in episode 1 was a bit controversial and so those two episode in combination with AS5 just not being a good season resulted in fans not really caring for her very much afterwards. Also she’s not a great lip syncer and AS is soooo lip sync based people definitely would have preferred to watch shea/juju/alexis lip sync. And to make matters even worse they introduced the “if you’re not in the top you’re in the bottom” so watching cracker edge out other fan favorites even though they did as amazing and having Cracker be able to eliminate probably soured people on her.
People got mad because they realized she was going to fair and square win an All Stars season over Shea Coulee (who people believed deserved a crown just because she didn’t get it in S9). Shea was nonexistent beyond her runways on AS5. She won two episodes but beyond that she was either safe or in the bottom every other episode. Literally of the top 3 that season, Cracker AND Jujubee had a better final score overall when you take bottoms, lows, safes, highs, and wins into account 💀 Then she was nonexistent again in AS7 for the most part, where she won the first week and last week and disappeared for the bulk of it.
She had a weird storyline in all stars about how the other queens didn’t like her and how she struggles to connect with people, and there was other stuff too like she’s hard to work with. All of that gave her an icky vibe. I don’t know whether it’s true or not but she was not presented as likeable on all stars
I’ve always been a plane fan since episode 1 and I love the villains of drag race bc they make such great tv. The sensitive fanbase can’t let good tv happen. There was a time where I did think Plane was going a bit too much on Amanda but I was still living for the drama. Same for mistress loved her since day one and her UA-cam channel has been so successful especially her collab with Plane the duo I knew the needed the moment I saw how shady Plane was.
very smart to put plane in the thumbnail... everyone actin' like they always liked her now... or like she's changed herself (to justify swinging their opinion like that)
Honestly I know a lot of people don’t wanna admit it but Plane really should win season 16. She has had a pretty flawless performance this season and has been the most consistent (yes, more than Sapphira imo). If it isn’t Sapphira or Plane I think it may impact the long term success of this season as the edit has shown them to be the most logical winners
No way. She hasn't brought anything all that exciting or new. Just very polished. A lot of what Jimbo does (big boobs, stink finger). Q, Sapphira, or Nymphia are going to win.
@@dante6985 Lol, you're still stuck with that aging Jimbo reference 🤣. Plane Jane is equally as good as a contender as Sapphira and Nymphia, all of them have their strengths and weaknesses. I personally would want Sapphira to win since she's given the best in maxi challenges and runways combined. Nymphia is a dark horse since we haven't seen her do LSFYL yet. Plane will definitely come back in All Stars and slay the competition.
@@sandradee4331 Aging but accurate. But he's cute and white so of course people like him. Big bust and a stink finger does not a drag superstar make. I hope she's successful and slays the competition. I haven't seen anything we haven't seen before yet. She's been upper-mid: the Miz Cracker zone.
I think amanda's drag being the crunchier in this season was a great arc to plane storyline, because she started the season bullying amanda constantly and then got sapphira's advice and turned a new leaf, i can see that she tried to make an storyline for her from the start but i didnt buy it but apparentely it is working.
I think it is VERY important to point out that in the cases of MIB and Luxx…the issue was how the Queen who they were directing their “Light Shade” at, DID NOT appear to receive it that way. Loosey appeared PER THE EDIT to have been broken by it. Same way the Amanda did. This difference for me in the Amanda/Plane situation and the MIB/Loosey situation, is that the shit that Plane said to Amanda, the entire cast also told her, and when you actually look at the interactions between them, Amanda is the one talking slick to Plane. The comment about having more respect for Q than Amanda, wasn’t the kinda slight that they tried to pretend it was, as the two of them weren’t really cool anyways. No one on Season 15 was dragging Loosey the way the MIB and Luxx were, and while we know now that it wasn’t as bad as the edit showed, it did feel worse as Loosey had a very good drag aesthetic, was great in challenges, could have potentially won (if Sasha wasn’t there), and seemed to have her spirit broken. Amanda was in over her head, from start to finish. And while she’s said that Plane made her life hell that summer, I’m not seeing it per the one specific criticism Plane through at her the third episode.
Honestly, we need to add dawn on here. At the beginning of the season I feel like everyone loved her, and she was an immediate fan favorite, suddenly she starts some tea, but then it all comes crashing down. She just wanted to be a silly lil twinky yet now all of the fandom dislikes her like plane at the beginning of the season ( I still love her)
meh. she still has a lot of fans, it’s just some people think shady queens have to also win challenges, which is funny because backrolls came from a queen who has never placed above safe on her 2 seasons. (no shade, I love jade)
i would add alaska as well (she kinda did a 180 and then another 180 again lol) going into AS2 she was one of the biggest fan favourites and the favourite to win and by the end of AS2 people were saying she was “the most hated/worst winner since tyra” i say she did another 180 cause she was able to make the hate “work” for her and it didn’t last too long and she’s pretty well liked/respected these days
Let’s not act like what MIB did was just light shade was a straight up bully to loosey all season and it just got worse and worse and then was just like oh well when confronted by it
i never got the hate toward mib... probably bc shes fat. but plane she deserved that hate. she was such a huge c#nt. words from amanda... and i still think she is not a good person to be around. i will never send hate to her. but lets be real. she lacks charisma.
is it bad that id put juju on this list due to alot of her fans even some of her long time fans turning against her for no reason during uk vs the world
I LOVED Mistress! She was so young and so wise that she blew me away! Adore Trixie. From the beginning. Q's hairline at the neck was always awkward, like her wigs were too small. Her unhappiness in not being the best at everything was a turn off. Jan never irritated me, either. Not too big a fan of Scarlett ... Plane Jane has some maturing to do. Socially especially.
I think it’s interesting that the fans often complain about it being RuPaul’s Best Friend Race but then when a queen is a “villain” they have to go attack that person relentlessly. It’s seemingly gotten better seeing the treatment of S16’s PJ, but otherwise it’s such a double standard!
I think the mistress hate is way overblown. I can only speak on the reddit response and she was one of the immediate fan faves. I think it was a very small number of people reporting her Instagram. Instagram itself says it can only take one report to get an account banned. So literally one person with 4 accounts could've done that. Besides that there wasn't much hate besides the usual small number of losers that just hate for no reason. There was no huge amount of hate. At least not any done openly That we could see online.
@@RuPaulsDragRaceRejudged I can go back and get the threads. Every time she was banned from Instagram she got a ton of support. She had some criticism ( mostly about her interaction with the other queens) but nothing that could be considered hate or anything close to that.
Ok the craziest part about mistress being fan favorite after madam babydoll fox got into her another fellow big girl but the only difference she was black so that made the fanbase change their hatred?
Why do people say Trixie underperformed on AS3??? She literally had 2 wins and could’ve arguably had another had she been with literally anyone besides Milk in the Bitchelor lol
She had 2 wins... but Bebe also secured 2, and Shangela led with 3. And yes, Ben quit, but she had 5 wins. So, out of the entire All Stars 3 cast, Trixie had the fourth-best track record. Therefore, it's not that she underperformed; it's more that her track record, for a winner, seems a little underwhelming.
I remember when "villains" used to win. Tyra, Raja, Bianca, Violet, Alaska . Not all are portrait as outright villains but all had feuds fights shady moments etc but they also felt like talented winners
@@maxrevive592 they were totally given villain edits tyra was a total brat character. Raja was super mean to the booger queens. Especially Stacy. Bianca was just fun and shady not an actual villain. Violet was super bitchy the first half of her season and Alaska had the whole temper tantrum and click thing going on . These were all super talented winners they also had flaws as characters within their stories in the first two cases were legit antagonistic
One thing I will never understand is why people were mad at plane for coming for amanda when she had every right to. I understand that back in the day the underdog story worked because drag race wasn't as established as it is now and resources of queens was very limited, however a storyline like Jynkx's will never work in the modern format because we are so beyond that now. To come to the show and say that your skills are subpar but you are learning and growing is kind of offensive, we have an abundance of resources now to help people with their drag skills so there is no excuse, if you come to drag race unprepared you are stealing a spot from a performer who has put hard work and dedication into their craft. Plane had every right to come for amanda because amanda's skills were subpar and she stole a spot on a national stage to show off her subpar skills when someone else who is a harder worker could have been highlighted instead. I am glad amanda has gotten better and I love her personality and would love to see her on an all stars season but her acting like her criticism was unwarranted or came out of nowhere is just plain delusional. She got the placement and criticism she deserved and she should take it on her chin, god knows it's big enough to take the abuse, and move forward with improving her craft and focusing on her fans.
I'm still so surprised that people claim Amanda won the lipsync. I thought they were very close, and let's be honest, Q's track record was insanely better and she had a lot more to offer to the competition
I dont remember when but i think before the goth episode, Q started repsonding to hate comments. Like a lot of swearing, talking shit about their appearances bla bla. I feel like fans kind of found that bitter.
@grandmabecky7984 So are people not allowed to be bitter anymore? Hell the Fandom is bitter AF about the stupidest things so why is it fine for them to be bitter messes but not the queens on the screen?
I heard a LOTT of people saying they didn’t like mistress (at least now) bc she was using sugar for fame. Sugar and spice both said something talking about this and I don’t think it ended out great for mistress.
Sorry but it was way more than a "slight under performance" when talking about Trixie's stint on All Starts. She is not as talented as she believes. She won her fame just being silly with Katya. She is not talented enough to compete with real talented queens. Ultimately her fan base was 13 year old girls and they are not well rounded enough to be non biased when discussing talent or the lack thereof.
Honestly, Mistress and Luxx are so incredible because they brought back that really old school season shade and energy that has been triggering newer fans since the double digit seasons started. And they managed to do it in a way that now they’re largely considered iconic by the fan base despite the initial backlash. Now we’re seeing it again with Plane and even people loving how devious Dawn is. I believe we can thank Mistress and Luxx for ushering in an era where fans for the most part grow to appreciate the “villains”. They desensitized the children 😂. The show is also doing a better job at portraying these people as fully fleshed out and well-rounded characters you still want to cheer on. Drag Race simply is better when there are equal parts drama/shade and heart.
The fan support is crazy for both PJ and MIB, I wonder if they are going to continue to redeem their villians for season 17 and onward.
They really aren't villains though. They are just shady. Fan support is because they are entertaining and polished queens and really aren't all that unlikeable unless you have no sense of humor.
@@kmaguire7161fr, ive never understood the mindset that people the comment above has
Lets be honest, Mistress was hated because she was a big queen. I loved her so much and she wasn't even that shady.
No. Because she's a bully.
right. Plane was shadier similar to Violet but does not get the same hate because they're skinny/handsome young men.. People are just hypocrites that they won't admit it
No she's not @@Cashcash08
@@Cashcash08you need to grow up 😊😊
I don’t consider her a bully or a bad person but i don’t understand how people don’t see how messy she is, now fans claimed her as the queen of good shade but during her season she kept midding through and in the reunion she contradicted herself looking like a fool the entire time, I absolutely don’t think she’s what people believe she is
love the powerpoint transitions
Inspired by *insert joke here*
@@RuPaulsDragRaceRejudged☠️☠️
I think the plane jane trajectory is the most entertaining i ve seen a meangirl be presented on this show.She is a funny Dr Doofenschmirtz and i love that
PLASMA THE PLASMAPUS?
I just can’t respect her after she genuinely was so mean towards Amanda….like….NO that’s not a kind person
Jan on AS6 is the biggest switch up I've seen
I think mistress getting banned on twitter just goes to show how easy it can be for a relatively small number of people to de-platform a small content creator. I dont think opinion changed that much on mistress tbh, i think people just became more vocal in their appreciation of her after seeing her get backlash for basically nothing
Q's goth runway was incredibly executed, but the look (minus her makeup and fishnets) doesn't embody goth subcultural IMO.
She was giving neo-goth (for me at least)
@@RuPaulsDragRaceRejudged I heard, from a video done by goth reviewing the runway, it fits more into the punk aesthetic... either way I don't mind it winning. Production rn really feels like it's trying to even out the wins because this has been a close ass race!
@@RuPaulsDragRaceRejudgedshe was giving club kid to me
I love how Plane is praise for being so shady when essentially all she says is "you're a pig you're ugly and your drag is stupid" but when MIB and Luxx give actual shade they get them hate nukes from some of the fanbase. It's actually laughable just to see how much she gets bc she's attractive and appeals to a certain part of the fanbase.
Plane has DEFINITELY gotten hatred a lot
And is it bad if the fandom slowly changes?? Let the fandom become desensitized from this
It's not "de-sensation", it's "it's okay if it's a skinny White queen".@@GourabMukherjee-kr8ug
I think we can include Nina bonina brown as well. She was the winner in premiere, gaga told her to her face that nina was stunning. She was going REALLY confident and strong. Then, one episode, she was sad that she couldnt get blac chyna part but didnt make much of a fuss, aja had a full blown meltdown, yet nina was so criticized by the judges and was put in bottom 3 for NO reason. Then she also had strong moment in snatch game. However, after that valentina thing, she felt she didnt even have a fight and sent her friend home, however shea and others acted like she was bichy?? Then when she was in a sewing challenge where she couldnt do much and was in the bottom again, she was sad. We clearly know she suffers depression, but the other queens literally came for her for expressing her feelings.... like gurl.
She was so strong in the begining, and then production flipped the switch and made her a damsel when she is a bad Bich
I considered her, but it was difficult for me to talk about fan perception of seasons I didn’t watch live
@@RuPaulsDragRaceRejudged ok thats understandable.
I can't speak for anyone else but S16 has been great because of all the bitchiness. Even just from the queens who are left, Plane Jane, Morphine, Q and Dawn are all savage and it's hilarious. That's not even considering some great catty moments from queens like Amanda and Sapphira. This whole season has been highly entertaining.
I feel like this is one of the most overall enjoyable casts in a long time.
Speaking about Plane…
She has been a complete fan Favourite in Russia from day 1.
REPRESENTING the Russian family reunion level of meanness correctly.
I would add Miz Cracker to the list
During season 10 she was an absolute fan favorite, maybe the biggest fan favorite. She followed Katya's footsteps of reviewing the show o her channel while it was airing and many many fans adored her humour and wit. That combined with her "robbed" storyline also added to her popularity, because she came close to winning lots of challenges but would just be able to snatch a win at the end of the competition, and she was eliminated by Kameron the following episode. Fans really wanted her to succeed and I'm SURE that if Miss Congeniality was voted by fans on season 10, she would have got it.
Ok, forward the tape a little bit to All Stars 5, for some unexplicable reason (I still don't get it) people started to hate her. They didn't like her aesthetic, her personality, got mad whenever she got a win... And I still don't know what happened, because I don't see much difference in her on both seasons.
I think the Ongina thing put a bad taste in peoples mouths in episode 2. I also think Crackers high in episode 1 was a bit controversial and so those two episode in combination with AS5 just not being a good season resulted in fans not really caring for her very much afterwards. Also she’s not a great lip syncer and AS is soooo lip sync based people definitely would have preferred to watch shea/juju/alexis lip sync. And to make matters even worse they introduced the “if you’re not in the top you’re in the bottom” so watching cracker edge out other fan favorites even though they did as amazing and having Cracker be able to eliminate probably soured people on her.
Might I add though that I enjoy Miz Cracker!!!
People got mad because they realized she was going to fair and square win an All Stars season over Shea Coulee (who people believed deserved a crown just because she didn’t get it in S9). Shea was nonexistent beyond her runways on AS5. She won two episodes but beyond that she was either safe or in the bottom every other episode. Literally of the top 3 that season, Cracker AND Jujubee had a better final score overall when you take bottoms, lows, safes, highs, and wins into account 💀
Then she was nonexistent again in AS7 for the most part, where she won the first week and last week and disappeared for the bulk of it.
She had a weird storyline in all stars about how the other queens didn’t like her and how she struggles to connect with people, and there was other stuff too like she’s hard to work with. All of that gave her an icky vibe. I don’t know whether it’s true or not but she was not presented as likeable on all stars
On all stars she seemed forced during confessionals, as If reading from a script.
I also think Mistress' very fast change in opinion on the twins made her more likeable. Especially that she became their drag mom.
I’ve always been a plane fan since episode 1 and I love the villains of drag race bc they make such great tv. The sensitive fanbase can’t let good tv happen. There was a time where I did think Plane was going a bit too much on Amanda but I was still living for the drama. Same for mistress loved her since day one and her UA-cam channel has been so successful especially her collab with Plane the duo I knew the needed the moment I saw how shady Plane was.
Love me a good villain
Totally agree with you
i dont like it when its forced, and her "funnyness" if she has any, is forced too. ;D
Same ima always love the villain
I love queens like MIB Plane was weird with how obsessed she was with Amaanda. And I’m over her russian sad stories. But i live for good tv
The list feels somewhat incomplete. What about Sharon Needles? Latrice Royale? Langanja? This video needs more parts
I’m strongly considering making a part 2
i always liked laganja, wtf??? and obv... the majority of the fandom.
@@ozaiassanttos8211 Laganja was the fandom’s punching bag during her season lmfaooo
@@psio4213i was gonna say people made fun of her so much
@@ozaiassanttos8211did you watch the season live? EVERYONE was clowning including the audience.
very smart to put plane in the thumbnail... everyone actin' like they always liked her now... or like she's changed herself (to justify swinging their opinion like that)
I am proud to be a Plane stan from the beginning
Honestly I know a lot of people don’t wanna admit it but Plane really should win season 16. She has had a pretty flawless performance this season and has been the most consistent (yes, more than Sapphira imo). If it isn’t Sapphira or Plane I think it may impact the long term success of this season as the edit has shown them to be the most logical winners
No way. She hasn't brought anything all that exciting or new. Just very polished. A lot of what Jimbo does (big boobs, stink finger). Q, Sapphira, or Nymphia are going to win.
@@dante6985 Lol, you're still stuck with that aging Jimbo reference 🤣. Plane Jane is equally as good as a contender as Sapphira and Nymphia, all of them have their strengths and weaknesses. I personally would want Sapphira to win since she's given the best in maxi challenges and runways combined. Nymphia is a dark horse since we haven't seen her do LSFYL yet. Plane will definitely come back in All Stars and slay the competition.
@@sandradee4331 Aging but accurate. But he's cute and white so of course people like him.
Big bust and a stink finger does not a drag superstar make. I hope she's successful and slays the competition. I haven't seen anything we haven't seen before yet. She's been upper-mid: the Miz Cracker zone.
I think amanda's drag being the crunchier in this season was a great arc to plane storyline, because she started the season bullying amanda constantly and then got sapphira's advice and turned a new leaf, i can see that she tried to make an storyline for her from the start but i didnt buy it but apparentely it is working.
i think you mean RUversals (i'm so sorry)
Its ok at least you RUpaulagized
Don’t be sorry. I had that exact thought 5 minutes before the video came out, so I changed the thumbnail. I forgot it was in the video too
I'm obsessed with Plane Jane since day 1.
0:51 you said it best !!! When will these people get the point it’s a REALITY television show !!
I think it is VERY important to point out that in the cases of MIB and Luxx…the issue was how the Queen who they were directing their “Light Shade” at, DID NOT appear to receive it that way. Loosey appeared PER THE EDIT to have been broken by it. Same way the Amanda did. This difference for me in the Amanda/Plane situation and the MIB/Loosey situation, is that the shit that Plane said to Amanda, the entire cast also told her, and when you actually look at the interactions between them, Amanda is the one talking slick to Plane. The comment about having more respect for Q than Amanda, wasn’t the kinda slight that they tried to pretend it was, as the two of them weren’t really cool anyways. No one on Season 15 was dragging Loosey the way the MIB and Luxx were, and while we know now that it wasn’t as bad as the edit showed, it did feel worse as Loosey had a very good drag aesthetic, was great in challenges, could have potentially won (if Sasha wasn’t there), and seemed to have her spirit broken. Amanda was in over her head, from start to finish. And while she’s said that Plane made her life hell that summer, I’m not seeing it per the one specific criticism Plane through at her the third episode.
Honestly, we need to add dawn on here. At the beginning of the season I feel like everyone loved her, and she was an immediate fan favorite, suddenly she starts some tea, but then it all comes crashing down. She just wanted to be a silly lil twinky yet now all of the fandom dislikes her like plane at the beginning of the season ( I still love her)
meh. she still has a lot of fans, it’s just some people think shady queens have to also win challenges, which is funny because backrolls came from a queen who has never placed above safe on her 2 seasons. (no shade, I love jade)
i would add alaska as well (she kinda did a 180 and then another 180 again lol) going into AS2 she was one of the biggest fan favourites and the favourite to win and by the end of AS2 people were saying she was “the most hated/worst winner since tyra” i say she did another 180 cause she was able to make the hate “work” for her and it didn’t last too long and she’s pretty well liked/respected these days
3:29 WAITTT ME TOO
Let’s not act like what MIB did was just light shade was a straight up bully to loosey all season and it just got worse and worse and then was just like oh well when confronted by it
It was light shade :)
Tbh people are lame for hating MIB and PJ. Let TV be fun. Go to therapy if you’re this angry on the internet, I’m serious.
i never got the hate toward mib... probably bc shes fat. but plane she deserved that hate. she was such a huge c#nt. words from amanda... and i still think she is not a good person to be around. i will never send hate to her. but lets be real. she lacks charisma.
The Amanda stuff feels like it went a bit far? She is obviously a sensitive person but everything else I agree with
Or maybe no one deserves hate?
THIS IS SO SPOT ON!
Thank you!!!
is it bad that id put juju on this list due to alot of her fans even some of her long time fans turning against her for no reason during uk vs the world
Great video topic as always ❤
Thank you!
I LOVED Mistress! She was so young and so wise that she blew me away!
Adore Trixie. From the beginning.
Q's hairline at the neck was always awkward, like her wigs were too small. Her unhappiness in not being the best at everything was a turn off.
Jan never irritated me, either. Not too big a fan of Scarlett ...
Plane Jane has some maturing to do. Socially especially.
I think it’s interesting that the fans often complain about it being RuPaul’s Best Friend Race but then when a queen is a “villain” they have to go attack that person relentlessly. It’s seemingly gotten better seeing the treatment of S16’s PJ, but otherwise it’s such a double standard!
I think the mistress hate is way overblown. I can only speak on the reddit response and she was one of the immediate fan faves. I think it was a very small number of people reporting her Instagram. Instagram itself says it can only take one report to get an account banned. So literally one person with 4 accounts could've done that.
Besides that there wasn't much hate besides the usual small number of losers that just hate for no reason. There was no huge amount of hate. At least not any done openly That we could see online.
I don’t know what part of Reddit you were on, but it absolutely was that bad
@@RuPaulsDragRaceRejudged I can go back and get the threads. Every time she was banned from Instagram she got a ton of support.
She had some criticism ( mostly about her interaction with the other queens) but nothing that could be considered hate or anything close to that.
Oop mama I think as of yesterday Trixie's win is validated....
Ok the craziest part about mistress being fan favorite after madam babydoll fox got into her another fellow big girl but the only difference she was black so that made the fanbase change their hatred?
love these niche drag race videos!
Thank you!!!
Amanda did not win that lipsync. They were BOTH horrible. Q winning was because she was the least egregious and had more potential.
True. Amanda, like in the girl group, was doing too much and messy
Why do people say Trixie underperformed on AS3??? She literally had 2 wins and could’ve arguably had another had she been with literally anyone besides Milk in the Bitchelor lol
Because for years everyone convinced themselves that Shangela completely left her in the dust
She had 2 wins... but Bebe also secured 2, and Shangela led with 3. And yes, Ben quit, but she had 5 wins. So, out of the entire All Stars 3 cast, Trixie had the fourth-best track record. Therefore, it's not that she underperformed; it's more that her track record, for a winner, seems a little underwhelming.
@@RuPaulsDragRaceRejudgedand now it's probably a blessing Shangela didn't win. The allegations are Sharon Needles level shit.
snatch game and the bitchelor... bitch was practically a look queen on as3
i thought she deserved the girl groups win over dela too
Can’t we just love people for being messy and mean please!!!! 😋
lol now Q is hated for the blaccent
Amanda did NOT win that lipsync.
I remember when "villains" used to win. Tyra, Raja, Bianca, Violet, Alaska . Not all are portrait as outright villains but all had feuds fights shady moments etc but they also felt like talented winners
None of those queens are villains.
@@maxrevive592 they were totally given villain edits tyra was a total brat character. Raja was super mean to the booger queens. Especially Stacy. Bianca was just fun and shady not an actual villain. Violet was super bitchy the first half of her season and Alaska had the whole temper tantrum and click thing going on . These were all super talented winners they also had flaws as characters within their stories in the first two cases were legit antagonistic
LOVE MISTRESS❤
I just realized I’ve watched all your videos and never subscribed. I’m so sorry 😭
Don’t be sorry, thank you for the views!!!
lol same here
You shouldn’t have apologized, this is not ok.
One thing I will never understand is why people were mad at plane for coming for amanda when she had every right to. I understand that back in the day the underdog story worked because drag race wasn't as established as it is now and resources of queens was very limited, however a storyline like Jynkx's will never work in the modern format because we are so beyond that now. To come to the show and say that your skills are subpar but you are learning and growing is kind of offensive, we have an abundance of resources now to help people with their drag skills so there is no excuse, if you come to drag race unprepared you are stealing a spot from a performer who has put hard work and dedication into their craft. Plane had every right to come for amanda because amanda's skills were subpar and she stole a spot on a national stage to show off her subpar skills when someone else who is a harder worker could have been highlighted instead. I am glad amanda has gotten better and I love her personality and would love to see her on an all stars season but her acting like her criticism was unwarranted or came out of nowhere is just plain delusional. She got the placement and criticism she deserved and she should take it on her chin, god knows it's big enough to take the abuse, and move forward with improving her craft and focusing on her fans.
How are you going to put both Q and Plane Jane on this list after talking about how nobody liked mistress until the season was done?
People liked mistress at the halfway point of the season?
mistress and plane ❤️
I'm still so surprised that people claim Amanda won the lipsync. I thought they were very close, and let's be honest, Q's track record was insanely better and she had a lot more to offer to the competition
Alaska AS2, Latrice AS4,Miz Cracker AS5, and Trinity AS6 (the episode she was eliminated) are missing
Wait... I am lost, what did Q do on social media that turned people against her? I don't keep up with everything religiously so I am confused.
I dont remember when but i think before the goth episode, Q started repsonding to hate comments. Like a lot of swearing, talking shit about their appearances bla bla. I feel like fans kind of found that bitter.
@grandmabecky7984 So are people not allowed to be bitter anymore? Hell the Fandom is bitter AF about the stupidest things so why is it fine for them to be bitter messes but not the queens on the screen?
Went off on Twitter. Kinda shit on the show.
plane and mistress are not even that shady…
How do u forget pearl
I heard a LOTT of people saying they didn’t like mistress (at least now) bc she was using sugar for fame. Sugar and spice both said something talking about this and I don’t think it ended out great for mistress.
But...we still dislike Mistress
Hate is a strong word, but...
Sorry but it was way more than a "slight under performance" when talking about Trixie's stint on All Starts. She is not as talented as she believes. She won her fame just being silly with Katya. She is not talented enough to compete with real talented queens. Ultimately her fan base was 13 year old girls and they are not well rounded enough to be non biased when discussing talent or the lack thereof.
Did you watch the season?
Honestly, Mistress and Luxx are so incredible because they brought back that really old school season shade and energy that has been triggering newer fans since the double digit seasons started. And they managed to do it in a way that now they’re largely considered iconic by the fan base despite the initial backlash. Now we’re seeing it again with Plane and even people loving how devious Dawn is. I believe we can thank Mistress and Luxx for ushering in an era where fans for the most part grow to appreciate the “villains”. They desensitized the children 😂. The show is also doing a better job at portraying these people as fully fleshed out and well-rounded characters you still want to cheer on. Drag Race simply is better when there are equal parts drama/shade and heart.
Too bad nobody had that energy for S11. That season was FULL of fighters lmao
Luxxx is just the worst contestant this show has ever seen.
@@moamoaoz the worst contestant with 2 wins, 1 bottom, and either safe or high otherwise 😂 just say you hate her and go
@@moamoaozthis is so funny considering we’ve had PREDATORS on drag race fully edited out of the series, please be fucking fr
@@moamoaoz ur so stupid, why do I took the time to respond to you lol Luxx is amazing
im still not in the jane plane, shes just unt, i dont see charisma. - jujubee.
Tanisha Iman could’ve made it to the list