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This Round Is INCREDIBLE (6.5 Grendel)
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2023
- 6.5 Grendel is a great round for the AR-15 platform. It's the same length as the 5.56 NATO or .223 but is thicker for more power. 6.5 Grendel is a great for deer hunting or medium sized game especially in the AR-15.
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Shooting Times did a great article on the Grendel 8-10 years ago about why the military should adopt it.
I still have that issue
@@Claws934 me too. It was a good read.
My primary AR is a 6.5 Grendel. I call her Grendelyn. It's an unbelievable rifle that can easily match and even exceed most DMR's.
I LOVE MY 6.5 GRENDEL
Love my 6.5 Grendel. Fully built AR with a Midwestern State upper/lower and a match grade barrel. Where you put the cross hairs is where it hits, incredible accuracy.
They say the Green Mountain Barrels are outstanding for sub minute consistency...
I love my BCA 6.5 grendel just wish ammo wasn't so hard to find an to expensive now so i can shoot it more
reload.
@@rl4416 i do but components are so hard to find rite now and when you do find them they so damn expensive , I've been trying to find a local sores but haven't been able to find anything yet , but since this post i was able to find a few boxes of factory loads so i have enough brass to load for a while , just need to order some bullets
@@quadfather504fpv9 yuh most things you can shop for the best price online, but you gotta go get the pew pew powder.
once you find a great load for your gun it will be worth all the trouble.
Ammoseek has it for 15$ a box Hornady frontier fmj , PPU hp. And s@b fmj . Also 20$ for Hornady black. So pretty decent. 556 from stores are running 10$ a box or more.
@@jjjr.1186 yea they getting more readily available now , but i ended up getting a couple hundred rounds of brass and just started handloading , ends up cheaper an i end up getting better accuracy
Love my Grendel upper. It's a white tail slaying machine. 6.8 SPC is another great option, especially if you'd prefer a barrel shorter than 20".
Cavity back 6.5grendel make 118 grn ammo shoots 2550fps from 18in barrels. Faster and shorter than 6.8spc.
@@jjjr.1186 Not sure where you got that data, but I don't personally believe it. The 118gr MKZ was designed to duplicate the ballistic performance of Hornady's 123gr SST. From a 24" barrel, I get an even 2600 fps out of the factory 123gr SST load, and I've only been able to get my handloads up to around 2550 fps. There's no way you're safely pushing the .264 118gr MKZ over 2800 fps from an 18" barrel chambered for 6.5 Grendel. You should be able to get there with a 6.5 Creedmoor, but that's a different cartridge all together.
@@nospam3409 from (Cavity Backs) own website. Obviously u didn't even look so I doubt u couldnt find the info. But it was a typo. The velocity is 2550fps from an 18in barrel or 2750if using their 105grn bullets. Cavity back also makes 6.8 spc2 in 105grn it can't be loaded in spc1. It's 105 going 2750from a 16in barrel. So same speed essentially as the 6.5grendel. But much lower bc.
@@nospam3409 i think 6.8 spc was a failed idea that the military wasn't really interested in. That's why they limited it's bc. And range. It really doesn't have any advantage over existing 556 77grn loadings at 500yds. They litterally limited it to 7.62x39 range and performance.
@jjjr.1186 Personally, I'd say it was ahead of its time. AR bolts were struggling when the Grendel came out, and the 6.8 spc predates the Grendel by a few years. With the changes to the metallurgy and HT process, the larger bolt faces can handle more pressure and abuse than they originally could. The military basically gave up on it because they aren't equipped to make new things work better. Today's 6.8 spc II is a more capable cartridge than the original. That doesn't mean that it's better in the wind than my service rifle pushing a 75gr VLD over 2900 fps with a stout charger of N540, but the 6.8 will have more energy on target when it gets there. For a military application, that's significant.
I shoot Wolf steel case Grendel, in AR and AK.
Yeah, I bought a pallet of ammo 6 years ago.
Good luck.
I think the 6.5 Grendal is the best Goldilocks ammo. Better overall than old 7.62x39, and even the new 6mm ARC. Problem is the ammo still too pricey and rare. I'm sticking with the AK round for now.
They both use the same bolt face right?
@danielescobar7618 Yes, similar mags too. Just a 6.5mm barrel instead of 7.62mm. I don't have access to a long distance range or Midwestern plains hunting. So it's no real advantage for me.
@@metallicsilver I like 762, have lots of friends who prefer their 762 ARs as their go-to, but what worries me about them is how compromised the thin outer wall of the bolt is to fit it inside the envelope of an AR bolt face. In military armories, you see the broken lug cracks stop right at that area (very high round counts.) So my worry is that when you stack the wall thinness compromise on top of the compromises made in civilian manufacture (hit and miss brands like bear creek) that make a lot of these 7.62 bolts, the failure might be catastrophic and not still hold the bolt closed and locked. Hope I was able to word it clearly enough, writing is far further down in my skill set than machining and turning barrel wrenches. (Edit: 762,39.. I'm not referring to blackout, that uses the same bolt face and doesn't take thickness away from between the barrel and chamber.)
@danielescobar7618 10-4. I have had nothing but success with BCA the last few years. If I get a big stock pile of cash I'll step up to a Sig Spear LT in 7.62x39!
@@metallicsilver those look really cool.
I used a bca grendel upper on my patrol rifle for years. It never let me down fantastic increase in power over the .556 in the same lightweight soft shooting platform. So far ive got over 3k rounds thru mine with zero malfunctions. Functions just fine suppressed too.
The 6mm ARC might outperform the Grendel in terms of BC and distance but the 6.5 Grendel is still one of my favorite cartridges. The Grendel is the best all-purpose round for the AR-15 in my opinion. It’s even better if you reload.
6mm ARC can't match 130gr RDF in 6.5 Grendel. 123gr 6.5 hits harder with more audible impacts, very satisfying. Even 6mm Dasher doesn't hit the steel loudly at 700yds, even though it looks great on paper and is a great external ballistics performer.
I just built one 2 weeks ago 20" barrel with a 1 to 10 power optic. I got 500 rounds of starline brass to resize and fireform.
Since I got into 6.5 grendel I get more game without the recoil and tremendous boom of larger rounds. In the east, it's the best.
Mine shoots extremely accurate. BUT Only likes specific ammo. Once I found out what's the most accurate. Its great.
Best AR hunting cartridge period. Kicks the crap out of 300hype-out
but the .300 blackout outperforms it in every way possible, in what area besides maybe 200fps extra in muzzle speed does it win? Even when hunting .300 is better as it has a way bigger frontal surface area, dealing more flesh damage.
@@NeopopulistIt has lower velocity, poorer range, less versatilety....
@@georgewhitworth9742if you want range buy an ar-10 not a 15
6.5cr is king...but in a small frame AR, 6.5gr is the best for energy down range and flat trajectory
Thats comparing apples to oranges
King of advertising, maybe. I'd take a 6.5x47 over a creedmor any day of the week, but I'd much rather have a 260 Ackley. The only reason anyone even tried to develop the Creedmoor is because Remington di what only Remington can do. They took one of the fest cartridges of the past 50 years and proceeded to screw it up faster than a female advertising exec in a bud light commercial.
@@nospam3409 @nospam3409 You sound like a Fudd. You're saying .308 or .30TC is better than 6.5CM? That must be why it's been so heavily adopted due to its superior ballistic profile...? 6.5XM is pretty closely comparable to the 6.5x47 Lapua, except the Lapua is a hair better for some things and it costs significantly more and is significantly less available. There are trade offs. Certain calibers are better at certain things. As for the 6.5CM, it's better than .308 for most things when we're talking long range shooting, so I dont know what you're even talking about. Your point is that there is a better caliber? There's always a better caliber. But the two you mentioned are hard to find and very costly. And thus - we have the 6.5CM. Don't get me wrong, I'm not currently a cm shooter. I'm running a 300winmag, but I see the virtues of the cm. Kinda seems like you're afraid of things changing.
@BureauATF I'm not afraid of change at all. I think the PRC cartridges are going to be game changers going forward. There's nothing wrong with the 6.5 CM, but the 260 Remington is better in every measurable way. The only objective of the 6.5 CM design was to be able to run 140s at mag length, which it does. The hope was that this would make for a better cartridge at distance, which it is not. It gave up so much velocity that the higher BC projectiles can never catch up to a 260 Rem running a good 130gr pill. They weren't even smart enough to use a SRP to begin with. My biggest beef with the 6.5 CM is that under just the right circumstances, it's equal to the 260 Rem, but on most categories and in most circumstances the 260 Rem out performs it. The really sad thing is that the old 260 AI just walks all over it and that basic wild cat has been around for over 5 decades. I have nothing against new, but I've played this game long enough to know that new isn't always better. Often times it's just an excuse for someone in the advertising department to take more of your money, and you are certainly welcome to give them more of yours.
@@nospam3409 @nospam3409 I agree 100% with you on finding new ways to take your dollar. But I think the main thinking behind the 6.5cm was to replace the .308, which it has done quite nicely. Regardless, you can find 6.5 cheaper than 260. Launching the same pill, the 6.5cm is better at extreme ranges. Thats a fact. You act like 260 just eats the 6.5 for breakfast, and thats just not the case. Between the two its pretty much 6 of one. The 6.5 stands right next to the 260. If you're talking a custom made 260 bilt gun, well, yeah - go 260. If were talking factory loads in factory guns, 6.5 takes the cake at long range.
6mm ARC coming anytime soon?
Velocity and a flatter trajectory at the cost of stopping power but hey, America been dropping fools with 5.56 since the 70s
I live my 6arc. Ring steel at 1000yrds all day
Came and left. Grendel reigns supreme
@@boygonewhoopdataZZ That power is essential when hunting not to mention it has more wind drift than 130 gr 6.5mm bullets so yeah, I'd stick with the 6.5, especially since light bullets are going out of style. If you look at 5.56, it has done it's job well, but there are some issues with ricochet when hitting barriers and loss of power at longer ranges. Modern warfare often means involves taking shots at longer ranges and if the bullet you use loses a lot of energy at longer ranges like lighter bullets do, it puts your army at a disadvantage. 6.5 grendel is the best of all the worlds, heavy, powerful going very fast and flat and accurate/resistant to wind. You defeat the entire purpose of what 6.5 grendel is designed for when you heavily sacrficed one area to be slighter better in another, especially since in real military application, the bullet actually hitting with enough force to kill or incapacitate is much more important is better than the bullet being slightly more accurate, but practically much less effective and carrying significantly less energy than other options at those ranges. You can easily compensate for the low drop and wind drift of the 6.5 grendel already, but you can't compensate for lack of energy retention at longer ranges and then when you factor in 130 gr 6.5mm bullet that have less wind drift than the best performing 6mm bullets, it a no brainer. That shifts the 6mm to being slightly flatter, but more affected by wind at range which leaves it being flatter shooting, but less accurate as it will not stray from the trajectory you're aiming it at. At long distances, wind drift matters more.
@@toade1583and you didn’t even mention barrel life. Grendel will be better in a semi-auto.
Love 6.5 grendel. Just wish I could afford to shoot it. 😢
Picked up some wolf before the embargo, 100grain, steel case
@@chrismcleod9748 I actually owned a 24" BCA upper at one point. The upper shot Hornady black petty well, but the Russian stuff was all over the place. Those were my only two options at the time, so I gave up on 6.5 grendel.
Midway has some about 27$ in frontier stuff if that helps.
Reload.
Yes, reload!
6mm ARC enters the chat…
Dont let the pretty younger sister steal the show 😉
Her time will come
I have 2 grendels and an arc. I indeed prefer the ARC. I appreciate the work Bill Alexander did designing the grendel, and believe he deserves more of the credit than Hornady for the ARC, but I just feel like the grendel always should have been 6mm.
I’m liking my new grendel upper. Hopefully try it out this fall 2A💪
Out of a gas gun it has similar velocity to the grendel while being lighter so it's quite pointless out of the AR-15 IMO
@@Drew-kx7yf 6arc is faster with better ballistic coefficients and a much better bullet selection for reloaders. Grendel is really only better in frontal surface area in my opinion
Bought two uppers BCA and two bolt guns, CZ527 and Howa Mini with custom graphite stock. Please offer 6mm ARC!
I load 140 grain eld or sst over 26.5 grains of h335
What kind of velocity are you getting?
This is the way
I have a bca .300 Bo side charge 10.5 I hear a lotta ppl rag bca and I really don’t know why bc although I havnt gotter quite broke in I havnt had ANY problem w it .
12 gauge uppers to rival Genesis' in the works? Maybe in varying lengths as well?
Need a 6.5mm Grendel with a hollow cavity like the 7N1 with a Tongston steel core Boat tail For a long-range accuracy Use Megan primers for all weather
Excited to finish my 6.5 Grendel build, except for the price of the ammo lol
Serbia is interested in using 6.5 Grendel to replace 7.62x39 and, in some cases, 5.56. If and when that happens PPU will ramp up production. Possibly Belom will add 6.5G to their line-up as well. Of course this is years down the road before it'll affect markets
Yea i like mine, hate the ammo cost
It sure would be nice to have affordable 6.5 Grendel around.
Was thinking of using this for hunting deer
Great choice
This round is incredible because...we said it was.
Thank God hornady realized that the case was good, but it wasn't capable of shooting the heavy for caliber bullets, and made the 6 ARC out of it and made it better
How hard is it to get the ammunition and what’s the cost? I mean 5.56 is plentiful and cheap so why hinder your access to ammunition
The purpose of having multiple chamberings is so the rifle can fill multiple roles despite what grandpappy may have told you 5.56 isn't exactly a do-it-all round.
BRILLIANT
I would like to see BCA offer a 6.5G pistol upper.
6.5 Grendel (along with the 50 Beowulf) had a purpose, to make Alexander Arms rich! because for over a decade they wouldn't release the rights for any other ammunition manufacturer to make those cartridges. i wanted a 50bw and 6.5gr so bad but chose 450 Bushmaster and 6.5 Creedmoor instead because of their availability in my area. not saying the others aren't great cartridges. but i got no time for greedy companies.
Not really greedy, just smart buisness stratagy
Black Hills, Hornady, and PPU started making it almost immediately, as did Precision Firearms.
Anybody could license ammunition and rifle manufacturing before it became SAAMI approved in 2009, when Hornady took it to SAAMI.
Got one 20in but not a BCA! I was able to secure a good amount of ammo before the pandemic so I’m not paying these elevated prices as of yet!!
So like any other short mag?
Did you say it delivered a heavy bullet at high velocity? Because from what i see a 130 to 140gr bullet is doing about 2500 fps
And it can reach 2900 fps but that's a 80 gr bullet
Shot a 6.5 Grendel once. Shit performed.
Great rpund
Just a point of issues I'm of the understanding that they just used the 762x39 as a parent case they didn't come up with anything but 🤷
No. That is a different 6.5. It's a research rabbit hole but the Russians came up with the 7.62x39 parent case (tapered) 6.5 so that it would fit in those magazines. The Grendel is .223 (straight cased) parent so it'll fit in .223/556 magazines.
6 arc ar is what we need
I have a question. My POF came with 6.5 grendel with 6.. arc barrel? Is it safe to shoot a 6.5 grendel? Im confused
6.5 creed, 6mm ARC, 300 BLK enter the chat.
6.5 creedmoor is AR 10 whole lot of extra weight
6 mm arc is better in bolt guns but not in gas guns
And 300 blackout is diet 30/30 it has its purposes but sits in a completely different class than these chamberings
Ahh, Can we see the 6PPC necked up to 6.5. I bet that is what Alexander Arms saw.
6.5 Grendel, ar15 bolt life, what's that?
I've been shooting it regularly since 2009, and by regularly, I mean DM courses throughout the year, LR events, load development, zero confirmation, and recreational steel shooting out to 1000yds.
I have 7 different 6.5 Grendels, from 22" down to 10.5", and boat loads of brass and ammo.
I'm meticulous about how I approach a build, and I have not broken a bolt. I've broken some optics though, which I have also done on other rifles.
What is your definition of high velocity?
Put 3 big bucks & 1 doe in the freezer this year all beyond 100 yds & D.R.T. Great round
So he said it doesn't work with the lower. Just change the upper and get proper mags and will semi auto all day long if you have decent equipment to start with. That is the pri.mar purpose of rhe AR platform. One purchase of 800 to 1000 dollars and have a large amount of calibers for 300 to 400 makes for a large variety for smaller amount of money. And if just hunting and not long range target compition use a true zero quick change scope and save even more.
7.62x39
I love me 6.5 grendel i got from you guys. Wish you guys would come out with a 17wsm upper already I have the 17hmr and 22mag uppers I just want that big boy 17wsm in an ar so I can sell my bolt gun
Are you saying it's better than 6mm Arc ammo?
We just dropped a video all about that: ua-cam.com/video/HDcUEGB3aO8/v-deo.html
What about 224 valkyrie?
PLEASE do a 6mm ARC upper.
6mm ARC is even more purpose made.
Launching a 120 at 2550 isn't high velocity.
Still beats a 77smk going 2750
The Grendel was essentially the original “creedmore” in the sense of sacrificing powder capacity for a longer neck and longer bullets to fit it.
what does this do that 7.62 NATO doesnt
ALMOST RIGHT, IT WAS BASED ON A VERY ACCURATE BENCHREST CARTRIDGE THE 220 RUSSIAN, IT HAD BERN A WILD CAT IN BENCHREST CIRCLES FOR A FEW DECADES BEFORE Dr Alexander did his magic on it.
Then 6 arc then 22 arc
Its one of those calibers thats gonna be dead in 20 years because its not different enough to keep up in the market. Its a niche, but great hunting caliber, sure, for those hunting with an AR-15 platform to begin with, and not a more powerful AR-10, where customers need to buy one of the most expensive ar-15 platform ammunition (and a new upper) for better long range performance than 300 blackout, a multipurpose, effective caliber one might already stock and use for suppressor or home defense purpose. It does it job but i dont see many people needing it, its customer base is almost entirely hunter who solely only use an AR-15 and many areas prohibit necked cartridges so atleast a 350 legend AR-15 has a niche that can't be filled.
@bearcreek I don't believe any of this! Send me one and I'll let you know how it shoots...lol😅
I thought Alexander arms came up with the Grendel as a replacement cartridge, for the 556 NATO. Not Hunting, but military application. Hits like a 762 NATO on the M 16 platform. It wasn’t adopted. type 1 and type 2 be careful what you buy, bolts and barrels are not interchangeable
😩🥱😑
But what happens after you run dry?
Tossing it to find a 5.56 rifle is what.
Can anyone give me a single reason you would use this round over .300 blackout?
Effective range.
Effective range for hunting
Range and stability for distance shooting
And my personal favorite not being able to chamber this round in a 5.56 by accident 🤷
I don't know about incredible. You get a 120gr at 2500fps. It carries decent velocity and energy to about 300yds, but an ar-10 in 6.5 creedmoor or 260 remington, or even the 308, is going to smoke it. It's a cartridge that was developed to fill a spot that shouldn't really exist, because it can't be filled well.
It's a trade off. It is comparable to 308 out to 800m or 1k, from what I remember, and it weighs less and has less recoil. A good upgrade over 556 without losing a significant amount of your combat load. Think Afghanistan.
Idk about the grendel, but I can tell u a lot about the grundle.
Doing a 450 bushmaster with your 16 inch carbine length with 1:24 twist
Know a guy that shit all over 6.5 creed for lacking power. Now he brags about his 6.5 grendel 😂
Lol, will you buy me ammunition?
6.5 Grendel will be what gets me into reloading. I snagged some factory Hornady ammo last year for about $35 a box, then sighted in with Nosler pills during deer season for about 40 locally. But it's hard to justify being the go-to when rounds cost north of $2 a piece and with spotty availability.
I'm hoping with its 7.62x39 parent case I can start loading my own stockpile much more reasonably.
It's weird you're watching a video from a place that sells guns over the internet but you haven't figured out that the internet can be used to purchase ammo for cheap
1600 fps is not really a high velocity.
Not high velocity😂
Got a 6.5 upper that gives trigger slap to any lower I own. I'll pass
Ill stick with my .22 .... Deadliest round in history. Have some rat shot saved for when i need to bust out the WMDs and do area damage.
It’s not even close to being a high velocity caliber
Imagine working for BCA and expecting people to take you seriously
yawn
6.5 Grendel doesn’t shoot very fast at all. It’s relatively slow. I’d take a 6.5 cm over it anyday of the week
Let me know when your 6.5 Creed fits in a standard AR15 receiver.
lmfao you know nothing. Its the fastest cal fit in an M4 receiver
@@cookie5535 no the fuck it’s not, 2800 fps is fast but not the fastest
I'll keep my Grendel... it can reach out and touch the target with enough killing power at 1k yds to keep me smiling.
The 6.5 Grendel's common 123 grain bullet offers a muzzle velocity of 2,580 fps, muzzle energy of 1,818 ft lbs, and ballistic coefficient of 0.506. This allows it to keep a supersonic muzzle velocity at 1,000 yards. At that distance, it retains 400 ft lbs of energy.
Factory ammo same grain bullet is about only 100 fps faster than the Grendel.
define match grade, or stop using the term. You cant. its marketing bullshit
That's just what they say whenever the round is capable of using long sleek high bc bullets. Times are a-changing grandpappy sorry we left you in the dust but there's no reason to get all outraged over it.
Bought two bear sreeks ar10 and 15 an was let down so much. Non stop problems ejecting and feeding sold both for half what i payed. Wish they would make a quality build. Or a free gun to change my mind😢
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Aren’t these the guys that make shit tier AR’s?