@@RetroRGB Hey RetroRGB, of there's no offset adjustment knob or resistor, you adjust vertical offset by glueing magnets to the crt. no joke. i was surprised too. talk to an old tv repair guy. some will know this trick.
@@poopfacedude69 there are also magnet rubber rectangles you can buy for use as fridge magnets. they are flexible. you can cut those up into little strips.
This mini MVS with CRT is what SNK needed to make. If they could network the games for online multiplayer and have online competitions, I’d be happy to buy $100+ for (PHYSICAL/cartridge) games, even a subscription to the network. The SNK brand has now become synonymous with cheap Chinese plastic junk . They really could have been something special.
Absolute beastly project, dude. I have the same preference, as I too played the heck out of these on real hardware back in the day. Props on HAPP controls over Sanwa!
I dig the external controller ports. I'm doing a similar thing, converting an old Megatouch cabinet into a SEGA Genesis kiosk. Knowing that other folks had the same idea is great.
Yeah running this on pi4 and virtualman image. Dude in retro arch (can run and resample to high res audio) really impressive. Also fantastic video bro thank you for keeping me entertained over the year.
Hey Bob, 3 years later this video has been essential. Got a standup version of the the Taito cabs missing it original game board and have been refurbiishing as a small home arcade machine for neo geo. Ended up using a similar jamma add on board like you did in the forum post. Through wondering if I should just eventually find a whole different arcade monitor chassis for it with better adjustment options since I know the monitors are compatible (guy I got this from was original going to just reuse monitor on other arcade machines he refurbed.)
Good video and very jealous. Regarding the geometry though, couldn't you just adjust the yoke on the CRT to center it better? I've never done it myself, but I've seen plenty of people doing it with the Sony TV's for instance that commonly have issues with horizontal bowing.
Yeah, yeah, but does it run Thunder In Paradise? Ok, first of all that shirt is awesome and this cab is really, really cool. The ports to have both players use a controller was a great idea. I'm normally not a fan of tabletop home arcade solutions but this one is really nice. Too bad you won't play it now that you have a RGB modded CD-I.
Nice project but the cartridge slot is too close to the crt neckboard. 4:48 Looks super scary to me, look how the crt neckboard wiggled :/ Edit: oh i see you dont have to change the board anymore since you got all the games on the neo sd
I wasn't to happy with the 14" 15Khz CRT mini arcade that i built. I also had a 28" arcade that i built but always thought i was to close to the screen whilst playing and made me feel nauseous. I think 21" at least is the best arcade quality picture you can get close up on a mini arcade. I found a good CNC wood cutter that cuts to size in black with all the extras. CRT TV's are easy to mod and getting the service codes on google and going into the (SAM) menu and easily changing the horizontal and vertical screen size if the pots don't exist on the pcb.
What awesome unit you have build, you are a Magician Lord! The mini arcade monitor is simply awesome and the only way to play and honour those fantastic games there is only one issue, where to get one wich still have a tube in good cobdition just Now?
I'm in the process of converting my own Gameroom Classics bartop to actual MVS hardware, I've watched/paused this video so many times for info and inspiration but I still have some questions: - from the power supply (4:34), it looks like one or two other lines are going out from the +5v and ground, is there anything else in the cab besides the MVS and CRT that needs power? - the aftermarket speaker (5:30) is another 4ohm. My understanding is the amp on the MVS board puts out 8ohm signal (I do not have my arcade power supply yet so I can't test sound). I also can't seem to find a similar 3" speaker in an 8ohm - I was thinking of using an Lpad on the speaker line instead of relocating the MVS potentiometer as you did, are there any reasons this would not work or be less ideal? Not sure if you'll read this as this video is kind of old now, but thanks in advance!
Thanks for watching! 1) I used the 5v output to power the fans (which probably aren't needed) and the LED for the front coin button. 2) I used that speaker since I had an extra one and figured if it had issues, I'd swap it out. It's been perfect ever since and was an exact fit, so unless you plan on cranking the audio for extended periods of time, it should be fine. It can get VERY loud as-is. 3) I've never done that, but it should be safe to try. Worse case, swap it out with the other method :) Other than that, I have nothing else to add. The install came out better than I expected and I'm so happy it inspired others to do the same!
@@RetroRGB thanks so much for the reply and advice! I finished up my build this weekend, just posted to it to the Neogeo subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/neogeo/comments/nza6b2/my_minimvs_mv1b_hanaho_gameroom_classics/?
What an awesome project! Just finding this video 4 years later. I've been obsessed with NEO GEO control panel inspired artwork for my arcade stick, and your artist and I drafted some similar art.
Hi, At last a real MVS bartop ! I’m surprised we only find lot of emulation machines, nobody thinks to build a real hardware bartop. Are you selling one please ? Thanks for the video. You can also built one with 1 stick with an external port for a Neo Geo stick (2nd player)
Some years ago someone on Craigslist was selling this machine and I missed out. After a while I acquired a real neo geo machine and years later sold it....nowadays I own a bar top themed neo geo red. I guess this neo geo bug has never left me ....the future is now !
That’s so slick! I’d love to see SNK re-release that cabinet but with better modern components. What was the ballpark cost for everything? I know those NeoSD carts are a little pricey
Awesome stuff! What's next, a drink holder? Good idea with the Neo SD. Still looking for an already converted set of .neo roms for my Neo SD Pro. The conversion software won't work on my Windows XP Computer. Looks like a lot of work, but it paid off!
Hello Bob, you should not need to change the capacitors to fix the centering of the picture. There are other options besides just adjusting the potentiometers. Have you tried adjusting the centering rings? This is another thing you can do to correct the placement of the picture on CRT monitors. Check out this video starting at around 8 and a half minute mark: ua-cam.com/video/zC0qi5dQsWs/v-deo.html You may also want to check out this video here at around 7 and a half minute mark: ua-cam.com/video/3D2NqOA8i9Y/v-deo.html
Love the video and neat idea...curious if there's a point where all these mods and whatnot end up being more expensive than a regular Neo Geo arcade cab itself? Would love to know how much was spent on specific items.
Excellent question, complicated answer. Both a "mini" and full-sized cab in the exact same condition go for about the same price. The reason is the days of making money from arcade cabs are mostly long gone, so while the larger cab is "more official", you need at least three people and a truck to move it, while a "mini" cab like this can easily be moved by one person and a dolly. Also, the cost to rebuild a full-sized cab is almost exactly the same (caps, motherboard, etc), assuming you don't need to move the full cab, just work on it wherever it is. Overall, it just comes down to space and manpower.
@@RetroRGB In that case, can we expect a follow up video to this one going in a bit more depth about what someone like me needs to be able to replicate this exact build? I think a lot of people would like to see that!
Nice job! The new lever looks super short though. Also your volume pot might be a linear one causing your sensitivity issue. Oh and I think you're missing a select button :)
I was worried about the stick too, but it feels fine. I might try to find a longer one, just to see if there's a difference. I think you're right about the volume POT, but it's not that big of a deal. I'll definitely pay attention when I install one in the second machine. Also, no select button, cause I'm using a ROM cart :)
@@RetroRGB thanks for the reply, and for creating awsome content! Love from Norway 🇳🇴😁 I have a UMK3 Arcade1up and would love to place a simulator crt monitor as yours inside. Do you know of any model that is small enough to fit?
I only would make 2 changes: stereo audio, and japanese parts (sanwa or Seimitsu) instead of that Happ nonsense. Very cool though, now to try and find a small arcade CRT to make one for myself.
Just my opinion: In that small of an environment, stereo vs mono means a lot less to me than a normal "home theater" setup. Also , I actually prefer Sanwa, but wanted this to match official Neo Geo cabs. I don't think there's a right answer though...I think it's all preference.
It would require a modification to the cabinet, but you should have made it so the cart slot was exposed from the back of the cabinet. That way you could insert carts without opening the cabinet, and also move it away from the CRT neck board.
RetroRGB If you ever decide to so, i think a cool video would be taking this idea and making it your own thing. Build mini arcade cabinet, with a high quality crt inside with a Mister running to built in fightstick with a few usb outputs (pretty much this setup but a little more modern) makes me want to see if someone makes a prefab mini cabinet that can support a CRT.
Hey Bob, looks great! One thing I learned recently from my friend who's an electronics engineer is that it's fine to use higher temp rated caps but not higher voltage, maybe one or two volts at a push, but they should be as bang on the original voltage as possible. Great stuff though and I will have to start scouring for mini crt's now 👍
I thought the opposite: If you have a 220uF/12v cap, the "220" part needs to stay the exact same, but 16v, 50v...shit 1000v wouldn't matter at all, since it's just the max rating it can handle. Maybe I'm wrong though?
@@RetroRGB yeah I thought the same, but he told me capacitance always has to be the same no matter what , and voltage shouldn't deviate either, only by 1 or 2 volts if absolutely necessary. I've always held the same opinion as you though until I spoke to him about it, as he recently recapped my naomi for me and said that the cap kit from console5 was way off in some caps and ordered more for it!
@@NEOGEOJunkie Respectfully, this is simply not true, whatsoever. The voltage rating of a capacitor is just an operational limit of what is considered "safe", and has virtually zero bearing on operational performance.
It actually depends on the use of the capacitors. The capacitor should always have the same capacitance. However, in many cases you can increase the capacitance, depending on what it is used for. As far as the voltage, decreasing the voltage is almost always bad. But, increasing the voltage is usually ok, assuming the larger capacitors will fit in the old slot, as larger voltage capacitors tend to be larger in size. See the last two minutes of this video for more details: ua-cam.com/video/jdDNW6r2hDg/v-deo.html
Great Project Bob! I love the work you did on the CRT here. 👍
Thank you!
@@RetroRGB Hey RetroRGB, of there's no offset adjustment knob or resistor, you adjust vertical offset by glueing magnets to the crt. no joke. i was surprised too. talk to an old tv repair guy. some will know this trick.
@@cheater00 Yeah they sell magnet strips that you can use.
@@poopfacedude69 there are also magnet rubber rectangles you can buy for use as fridge magnets. they are flexible. you can cut those up into little strips.
I wasnt even aware Neo Geo made an official bar top style cab. Awesome work bro!
Yeah, i just foind about that too )
A tiny arcade cabinet for a tiny apartment! I've never seen one of these official emulation chassis from back in the day. Really friggin' cool!
This mini MVS with CRT is what SNK needed to make.
If they could network the games for online multiplayer and have online competitions, I’d be happy to buy $100+ for (PHYSICAL/cartridge) games, even a subscription to the network.
The SNK brand has now become synonymous with cheap Chinese plastic junk .
They really could have been something special.
Nice! Between a SF2CE and a NEOGEO Multicab these are my most wanted arcade machines I would ever want to own!
Oh man, this is amazing.
Absolute beastly project, dude. I have the same preference, as I too played the heck out of these on real hardware back in the day. Props on HAPP controls over Sanwa!
One of the coolest things I have seen in a long time. Nice job!
I dig the external controller ports. I'm doing a similar thing, converting an old Megatouch cabinet into a SEGA Genesis kiosk. Knowing that other folks had the same idea is great.
Megatouch uses VGA, how are you converting the signals? GBS8200?
Yeah running this on pi4 and virtualman image. Dude in retro arch (can run and resample to high res audio) really impressive. Also fantastic video bro thank you for keeping me entertained over the year.
I wish I could find something like this in the wild
Look up the MVSX mini arcade, it's being released in November.
Great project and really cool shirt.
Hey Bob, 3 years later this video has been essential. Got a standup version of the the Taito cabs missing it original game board and have been refurbiishing as a small home arcade machine for neo geo. Ended up using a similar jamma add on board like you did in the forum post. Through wondering if I should just eventually find a whole different arcade monitor chassis for it with better adjustment options since I know the monitors are compatible (guy I got this from was original going to just reuse monitor on other arcade machines he refurbed.)
Marvelous, the only thing I would have loved added are LED's :-p this is a marvelous rebuild top tier
Good video and very jealous. Regarding the geometry though, couldn't you just adjust the yoke on the CRT to center it better? I've never done it myself, but I've seen plenty of people doing it with the Sony TV's for instance that commonly have issues with horizontal bowing.
can you please give us the cabinet dimensions/plans so we can build a cab like that ?
Cool mod. Never knew SNK made an official CRT mini cabinet. Love the shirt too!
I would've bought one if I knew it existed!
This was a really fun watch.
Awesome sauce work there Bob, I am kinda jealous of your mini cab. Looks better than my sorta consolized MVS board bolted to a Super Gun.
Yeah, yeah, but does it run Thunder In Paradise?
Ok, first of all that shirt is awesome and this cab is really, really cool. The ports to have both players use a controller was a great idea. I'm normally not a fan of tabletop home arcade solutions but this one is really nice. Too bad you won't play it now that you have a RGB modded CD-I.
Nice project but the cartridge slot is too close to the crt neckboard. 4:48 Looks super scary to me, look how the crt neckboard wiggled :/
Edit: oh i see you dont have to change the board anymore since you got all the games on the neo sd
That's an awesome build! Great job!
This is awesome. Gotta say you are a genius when it comes to electronics this all seemed like Greek to me
I wasn't to happy with the 14" 15Khz CRT mini arcade that i built. I also had a 28" arcade that i built but always thought i was to close to the screen whilst playing and made me feel nauseous. I think 21" at least is the best arcade quality picture you can get close up on a mini arcade. I found a good CNC wood cutter that cuts to size in black with all the extras. CRT TV's are easy to mod and getting the service codes on google and going into the (SAM) menu and easily changing the horizontal and vertical screen size if the pots don't exist on the pcb.
I want something like this but with mister. I think it'd be amazing!
It’s probably a lot easier and cheaper too
What awesome unit you have build, you are a Magician Lord! The mini arcade monitor is simply awesome and the only way to play and honour those fantastic games there is only one issue, where to get one wich still have a tube in good cobdition just Now?
I'm in the process of converting my own Gameroom Classics bartop to actual MVS hardware, I've watched/paused this video so many times for info and inspiration but I still have some questions:
- from the power supply (4:34), it looks like one or two other lines are going out from the +5v and ground, is there anything else in the cab besides the MVS and CRT that needs power?
- the aftermarket speaker (5:30) is another 4ohm. My understanding is the amp on the MVS board puts out 8ohm signal (I do not have my arcade power supply yet so I can't test sound). I also can't seem to find a similar 3" speaker in an 8ohm
- I was thinking of using an Lpad on the speaker line instead of relocating the MVS potentiometer as you did, are there any reasons this would not work or be less ideal?
Not sure if you'll read this as this video is kind of old now, but thanks in advance!
Thanks for watching!
1) I used the 5v output to power the fans (which probably aren't needed) and the LED for the front coin button.
2) I used that speaker since I had an extra one and figured if it had issues, I'd swap it out. It's been perfect ever since and was an exact fit, so unless you plan on cranking the audio for extended periods of time, it should be fine. It can get VERY loud as-is.
3) I've never done that, but it should be safe to try. Worse case, swap it out with the other method :)
Other than that, I have nothing else to add. The install came out better than I expected and I'm so happy it inspired others to do the same!
@@RetroRGB thanks so much for the reply and advice!
I finished up my build this weekend, just posted to it to the Neogeo subreddit: www.reddit.com/r/neogeo/comments/nza6b2/my_minimvs_mv1b_hanaho_gameroom_classics/?
Great video Bob, did not know the existence of such a small arcades 😁
Great video mate 👍
What an awesome project! Just finding this video 4 years later. I've been obsessed with NEO GEO control panel inspired artwork for my arcade stick, and your artist and I drafted some similar art.
That is proper awesome Bob, top marks! 🥇🕹
The only way to play reto games are with a crt tv
How did you get a CRT-based Neo Geo emulation arcade machine? I want one to start tinkering a modding...
Bob said "Deep Inside". ++++100,000
Hi,
At last a real MVS bartop ! I’m surprised we only find lot of emulation machines, nobody thinks to build a real hardware bartop. Are you selling one please ?
Thanks for the video. You can also built one with 1 stick with an external port for a Neo Geo stick (2nd player)
Some years ago someone on Craigslist was selling this machine and I missed out. After a while I acquired a real neo geo machine and years later sold it....nowadays I own a bar top themed neo geo red. I guess this neo geo bug has never left me ....the future is now !
Excellent job! Loved it!
Could you perhaps 3D print some kind of cover for the CRT neck thing? To make it safer to replace carts.
edit: Oh, the rom cart also works I guess. :)
Why not sawing a slot hole in the back for carts and tilt the cart holder up so u dont need to open it everytime u switch cart?
That’s so slick! I’d love to see SNK re-release that cabinet but with better modern components. What was the ballpark cost for everything? I know those NeoSD carts are a little pricey
This thing came out awesome
Awesome project!! 6:58 Sweden number one! :)
What size monitor did you use?
It came with a 14" CRT
RetroRGB Thanks! I did some digging and discovered the history behind the bar top. It’s really cool, thanks for sharing yours!
Awesome stuff!
What's next, a drink holder?
Good idea with the Neo SD. Still looking for an already converted set of .neo roms for my Neo SD Pro. The conversion software won't work on my Windows XP Computer.
Looks like a lot of work, but it paid off!
Why not put the power supply somewhere else so the cart is closest to the wall?
Hello Bob, you should not need to change the capacitors to fix the centering of the picture. There are other options besides just adjusting the potentiometers. Have you tried adjusting the centering rings? This is another thing you can do to correct the placement of the picture on CRT monitors.
Check out this video starting at around 8 and a half minute mark: ua-cam.com/video/zC0qi5dQsWs/v-deo.html
You may also want to check out this video here at around 7 and a half minute mark: ua-cam.com/video/3D2NqOA8i9Y/v-deo.html
This is super cool project, is there a way to hook crt computer monitor to an mvs? And will it benefit from it at all?
Looks great, well done
Can this be bought somewhere? 🙂
Awesome! Have a project similar to this with a Mister.
Really cool Bob!
Love the video and neat idea...curious if there's a point where all these mods and whatnot end up being more expensive than a regular Neo Geo arcade cab itself? Would love to know how much was spent on specific items.
Excellent question, complicated answer. Both a "mini" and full-sized cab in the exact same condition go for about the same price. The reason is the days of making money from arcade cabs are mostly long gone, so while the larger cab is "more official", you need at least three people and a truck to move it, while a "mini" cab like this can easily be moved by one person and a dolly. Also, the cost to rebuild a full-sized cab is almost exactly the same (caps, motherboard, etc), assuming you don't need to move the full cab, just work on it wherever it is. Overall, it just comes down to space and manpower.
@@RetroRGB In that case, can we expect a follow up video to this one going in a bit more depth about what someone like me needs to be able to replicate this exact build? I think a lot of people would like to see that!
I had no clue this was even a thing that was made. I wonder how hard they are to find?
I'd never seen them before, until they appeared at Brooklyn Video Games. LOL, then I bought em both!
do you sell the bartop plans?
No, I don't sell anything at all. All the info I have, I put up here for free.
Beautiful! I would love to build one of these with a MiSTer and the Jamma add-on board.
‘Giveaway’ I love neo geo
Nice job! The new lever looks super short though. Also your volume pot might be a linear one causing your sensitivity issue. Oh and I think you're missing a select button :)
I was worried about the stick too, but it feels fine. I might try to find a longer one, just to see if there's a difference. I think you're right about the volume POT, but it's not that big of a deal. I'll definitely pay attention when I install one in the second machine. Also, no select button, cause I'm using a ROM cart :)
@@RetroRGB I think select also acts as a pause when in AES mode but it's not a big deal since you can plug in other controllers
@@googleboughtmee Well, the UniBIOS has it's own pause as well. Good thought though!
Ughhh “second machine” come on Bob we’re already jealous enough lol
Fun video, thanks!
What kind of monitor is in this?
Superawsome! 😎
It’s a CRT-based mini arcade machine.
@@RetroRGB thanks for the reply, and for creating awsome content! Love from Norway 🇳🇴😁
I have a UMK3 Arcade1up and would love to place a simulator crt monitor as yours inside. Do you know of any model that is small enough to fit?
8 years ago I missed a chance to buy one from Craigslist
I only would make 2 changes: stereo audio, and japanese parts (sanwa or Seimitsu) instead of that Happ nonsense. Very cool though, now to try and find a small arcade CRT to make one for myself.
Just my opinion: In that small of an environment, stereo vs mono means a lot less to me than a normal "home theater" setup. Also , I actually prefer Sanwa, but wanted this to match official Neo Geo cabs. I don't think there's a right answer though...I think it's all preference.
What a beauty, I want one!!
What size monitor is this?
14"
I have no nostalgia for NEO GEO, and really had no interest in this. Damn was I wrong. That looks awesome. Great job.
Bat top!?
Nice shirt! Very funny.
This is good shit!!!!
It would require a modification to the cabinet, but you should have made it so the cart slot was exposed from the back of the cabinet. That way you could insert carts without opening the cabinet, and also move it away from the CRT neck board.
You are a genius.
Why don’t you, or could you just replace the monitor? I imagine you can find a smaller higher quality monitor and put it inside.
I could, but this CRT seems like it's brand new. I doubt I could find one that would fit and be in similar condition. Good thought though.
RetroRGB If you ever decide to so, i think a cool video would be taking this idea and making it your own thing. Build mini arcade cabinet, with a high quality crt inside with a Mister running to built in fightstick with a few usb outputs (pretty much this setup but a little more modern) makes me want to see if someone makes a prefab mini cabinet that can support a CRT.
Very interesting.
I have a full size 2 slot MVS cabinet in my living room 😂
Contact Buffett @ thearcadebuffett.com/ He is a master with arcade CRTs and might be able to analyze that chassis and help you figure it out...
Nice dedication to the project, but I would have sourced a candy cab instead of that chassis.
Hey Bob, looks great! One thing I learned recently from my friend who's an electronics engineer is that it's fine to use higher temp rated caps but not higher voltage, maybe one or two volts at a push, but they should be as bang on the original voltage as possible. Great stuff though and I will have to start scouring for mini crt's now 👍
I thought the opposite: If you have a 220uF/12v cap, the "220" part needs to stay the exact same, but 16v, 50v...shit 1000v wouldn't matter at all, since it's just the max rating it can handle. Maybe I'm wrong though?
@@RetroRGB yeah I thought the same, but he told me capacitance always has to be the same no matter what , and voltage shouldn't deviate either, only by 1 or 2 volts if absolutely necessary. I've always held the same opinion as you though until I spoke to him about it, as he recently recapped my naomi for me and said that the cap kit from console5 was way off in some caps and ordered more for it!
@@NEOGEOJunkie Respectfully, this is simply not true, whatsoever. The voltage rating of a capacitor is just an operational limit of what is considered "safe", and has virtually zero bearing on operational performance.
It actually depends on the use of the capacitors. The capacitor should always have the same capacitance. However, in many cases you can increase the capacitance, depending on what it is used for. As far as the voltage, decreasing the voltage is almost always bad. But, increasing the voltage is usually ok, assuming the larger capacitors will fit in the old slot, as larger voltage capacitors tend to be larger in size. See the last two minutes of this video for more details: ua-cam.com/video/jdDNW6r2hDg/v-deo.html
@@Voultar coolio, OK thanks for the info. Always good to have more than one source, and contrary opinions are useful in the search for knowledge. 👍
Darksoft MVS cart wil fix your danger issues! :D
I would made sure that crt was perfect before doing any of that other work...
GIVEAWAY! 😉
You can always ask Ben Heck for help. He's great with this kind of thing.