My daughter lives in Vienna. It’s a wonderful place and extremely affordable, probably 1/3 the cost of Chicago. Marvelous transit system. No crime. It’s hard to find anything wrong. Red Vienna seems to have left a wonderful legacy. It’s a great example of what good government can do. A shame other cities haven’t emulated it.
@@ppasciso now the USA is our level of measurement? Vienna is in many parts run down and has foreigner gangs roaming around and killing each other. And "red" is why it has those issues. I'm Austrian.
I live in Vienna now and one of the surprising things is the that youth here don't even realise how good they have it. I've had multiple conversations in which people were complaining about the rent and talking about a "housing crisis" mentally importing issues from other countries presumably due to their interactions on social media. They were very shocked and resilient to the idea that places like London and even Amsterdam have rent prices of 2-3x at least
vienna is great if you are a low income earner. but if you are middle class you are getting skrewed. vienna has so many great things like the low crime and general cleanliness of the city. but if you are a professional trying to save up for a house and family etc. then forget about it. socialism just like capitalism kills any incentive to work harder. I also think to compare to London isn't a good comparison. london and new york etc are massive financial hubs of the world, where as vienna is...well just a nice small city.
State should make a differentiation between people that buy their first flat and those who invest. Higher interest rates target latter, but hit simple people. Many of us with good salaries can’t even afford first deposit, while there is a lot of flats being sold and just stand empty
Yeesssssssssss. Vienna should be like a birthday party, after every citizen has gotten their piece of the cake, you can get 2nds and 3rds. Especially if the investors are huge firms like wtf. Also in Vienna we have a big influx of affluent Germans moving here to live with their familiy because it is cleaner and more beautiful. But sometimes it feels like these Germans tend to forget that they are not in a German city actually.
Vienna provides a hope for the rest of the world. Meaning that we can develop highly quality cities while being affordable to live, at the same time. In most parts of the world these two are considered as oxymoronic.
Shelter should not be treated as a commodity. The introduction of a profit motive leads to the involvement of speculators, resulting in inflated prices. Bring back Red Vienna!
The reality is this „social“ housing ensures you have nothing in your name and are at the mercy of the government. Those apartments are only cheap for Austrians who are grandfathered into 30+ year old contracts. For the rest, and their children, it costs as much as buying an apartment, but thanks to low salaries and high expenses, almost no one can afford to buy an apartment. And then the city is so proud of that fact. The best off are different sorts of social income dependent classes, like people with fake asylum requests etc. They get apartments rent free, monthly income from the state, all sorts of subsidies and gifts and they don’t need to work officially, so they work off the books and send the extra cash to their families in the homeland. For them it is a paradise.
Social stuff like this only works when it’s limited to the society that funded it in the first place, aka Austrian society. If we keep importing people who only consume and don’t produce, the system will collapse, it’s mathematics
@@BigL10000 Communism leads in the long run to paradise. That was proven by Karl Marx, who defined himself not as an ideologue but as a scientist. Beside, who profits from an increase of the population ? Landlords, real estate investors, owners of sweatshops ?
@@BigL10000 it has not. a country shouldn't take net negatives who contribute less than what they take period, immigration is not a right is a privilege
You must be blind and deaf if you think immigrants produce nothing! Like 90% of cleaning ladies, package deliverers, construction workers, tradesmen, ets are immigrants in Vienna. I see them every day, i.e the cleaning lady of my apartment building is a Turkish woman, the technician is a Croatian guy, the waitress in the restaurant next door is Hungarian, all my packages are delivered by arab looking guys, ...
I have lived in Vienna for a long time and I completely dislike the Gemeindebau. The buildings are ugly, the neighbours are awful, the noise is annoying and the smell is nasty. The only way to live in Vienna is Altbau, that means a building that has been built before 1918. If you can't afford one of those, leave Vienna.
I mean there is also something in between like Neubau/ Genossenschaft/regular pivately built buildings without any subventions without Gemeindebau...it is not like we only have Gemeindebau and Altbau..but I do understand if ppl just optically like Altbau (does however have a lot of downsides)
Yeah, it's not like there are dozens of gorgeous Gemeindebauten like Rabenhof or Karl-Marx or Nibelungenviertel from like a hundred years ago, only ugly new ones! Who doesn't want to pay 800€ for a room in a shitty Altbau-WG with moldy bathrooms and 17°C in winter and mentally unstable roommates with drug problems. Dream come true.
Why dont you talk about the recent news of girls being "crimed" by "newcomers" recently? 14yo "gone" in a "newcomer's" home and a 12yo was "graped" Why are you silent on crimes against young girls by "newcomers"?
Because these things, tragic as they are, are relatively rare. Austria is the 5th safest country in the world. Only outranked primarily by island nations. Yes there are bad parts of vienna, but those are frw. So long as it is headline news in austria, that some guy got his phone stollen, you know it's pretty safe
@@walterpleyer261 to be real no we cannot BUT this is not something new as the person above wants to make it sound...from my childhood on I was clearly advised how to make sure I am safe and I grew up in the 90s ..
My daughter lives in Vienna. It’s a wonderful place and extremely affordable, probably 1/3 the cost of Chicago. Marvelous transit system. No crime. It’s hard to find anything wrong. Red Vienna seems to have left a wonderful legacy. It’s a great example of what good government can do. A shame other cities haven’t emulated it.
Definitely not crime free
@@theracer6882 compared to Chicago it is.
@@theracer6882Relatively it is. Esp compared to any major American city.
how big is one unit of this social hours?
and how much does the resident pay for it a month?
@@ppasciso now the USA is our level of measurement? Vienna is in many parts run down and has foreigner gangs roaming around and killing each other. And "red" is why it has those issues. I'm Austrian.
watching this from my 50m2 studio apt in San Francisco where I pay $2550/month. I'm envious of the freedom that having a reasonable rent would allow.
I live in Vienna now and one of the surprising things is the that youth here don't even realise how good they have it.
I've had multiple conversations in which people were complaining about the rent and talking about a "housing crisis" mentally importing issues from other countries presumably due to their interactions on social media.
They were very shocked and resilient to the idea that places like London and even Amsterdam have rent prices of 2-3x at least
vienna is great if you are a low income earner. but if you are middle class you are getting skrewed. vienna has so many great things like the low crime and general cleanliness of the city. but if you are a professional trying to save up for a house and family etc. then forget about it. socialism just like capitalism kills any incentive to work harder. I also think to compare to London isn't a good comparison. london and new york etc are massive financial hubs of the world, where as vienna is...well just a nice small city.
We rather have a middle school and education crisis in Vienna, I would say.
Yes system excellent Vienna Austria it Mixed economy.
State should make a differentiation between people that buy their first flat and those who invest. Higher interest rates target latter, but hit simple people. Many of us with good salaries can’t even afford first deposit, while there is a lot of flats being sold and just stand empty
Yeesssssssssss. Vienna should be like a birthday party, after every citizen has gotten their piece of the cake, you can get 2nds and 3rds. Especially if the investors are huge firms like wtf. Also in Vienna we have a big influx of affluent Germans moving here to live with their familiy because it is cleaner and more beautiful. But sometimes it feels like these Germans tend to forget that they are not in a German city actually.
Lisbon is much smaller then vienna and rome and madrid are only a bit larger...
Lisbon metro area is comparible to Vienna metro area population wise, Rome is slightly bigger and Madrid is bigger by a lot
Vienna provides a hope for the rest of the world. Meaning that we can develop highly quality cities while being affordable to live, at the same time. In most parts of the world these two are considered as oxymoronic.
Yes, most parts of the world are stupid, only Austria is smart. :) I remember ...the same story about Serbia. Austria...for me is where Balkan starts.
Vienna is affordable only for Americans earning 10x the Vieneese salary.
How come Ireland 🇮🇪 and 🇬🇧 Britain can't learn from this city and country
They don't want to...
Shelter should not be treated as a commodity. The introduction of a profit motive leads to the involvement of speculators, resulting in inflated prices. Bring back Red Vienna!
Personally prefer a small private apartment to Gemeinde as most of those buildings are complexes with heavy architecture.
It doesn’t make sens if you have free housing in other places using mortgage. Buy, live 30 years, sell, get your installments back
Spcialism is not honest system.
yes
wow, the russian bots are very active here, no surprise
Bro, no headsup this was in Spanish wtf
The reality is this „social“ housing ensures you have nothing in your name and are at the mercy of the government. Those apartments are only cheap for Austrians who are grandfathered into 30+ year old contracts. For the rest, and their children, it costs as much as buying an apartment, but thanks to low salaries and high expenses, almost no one can afford to buy an apartment. And then the city is so proud of that fact. The best off are different sorts of social income dependent classes, like people with fake asylum requests etc. They get apartments rent free, monthly income from the state, all sorts of subsidies and gifts and they don’t need to work officially, so they work off the books and send the extra cash to their families in the homeland. For them it is a paradise.
you obviously don't live in Vienna
Social stuff like this only works when it’s limited to the society that funded it in the first place, aka Austrian society. If we keep importing people who only consume and don’t produce, the system will collapse, it’s mathematics
@@hypernewlapse liberals don't know mathematics.
It's been proven that immigration, of any kind of person, is worth it financially in the long run
@@BigL10000 Communism leads in the long run to paradise. That was proven by Karl Marx, who defined himself not as an ideologue but as a scientist. Beside, who profits from an increase of the population ? Landlords, real estate investors, owners of sweatshops ?
@@BigL10000 it has not. a country shouldn't take net negatives who contribute less than what they take period, immigration is not a right is a privilege
You must be blind and deaf if you think immigrants produce nothing! Like 90% of cleaning ladies, package deliverers, construction workers, tradesmen, ets are immigrants in Vienna. I see them every day, i.e the cleaning lady of my apartment building is a Turkish woman, the technician is a Croatian guy, the waitress in the restaurant next door is Hungarian, all my packages are delivered by arab looking guys, ...
No it's not, stay away. We're full.
I have lived in Vienna for a long time and I completely dislike the Gemeindebau. The buildings are ugly, the neighbours are awful, the noise is annoying and the smell is nasty. The only way to live in Vienna is Altbau, that means a building that has been built before 1918. If you can't afford one of those, leave Vienna.
I mean there is also something in between like Neubau/ Genossenschaft/regular pivately built buildings without any subventions without Gemeindebau...it is not like we only have Gemeindebau and Altbau..but I do understand if ppl just optically like Altbau (does however have a lot of downsides)
Yeah, it's not like there are dozens of gorgeous Gemeindebauten like Rabenhof or Karl-Marx or Nibelungenviertel from like a hundred years ago, only ugly new ones! Who doesn't want to pay 800€ for a room in a shitty Altbau-WG with moldy bathrooms and 17°C in winter and mentally unstable roommates with drug problems. Dream come true.
Why dont you talk about the recent news of girls being "crimed" by "newcomers" recently?
14yo "gone" in a "newcomer's" home and a 12yo was "graped"
Why are you silent on crimes against young girls by "newcomers"?
Because it has nothing to do with the topic of the report maybe?
Yes, its happens. But only mybe 10 time a year. City with 2milion ppl is Wien very safe.
Each such incident is tragic of course, but they are rare exceptions.
Women can generally move freely and safely in Vienna
Because these things, tragic as they are, are relatively rare.
Austria is the 5th safest country in the world. Only outranked primarily by island nations.
Yes there are bad parts of vienna, but those are frw. So long as it is headline news in austria, that some guy got his phone stollen, you know it's pretty safe
@@walterpleyer261 to be real no we cannot BUT this is not something new as the person above wants to make it sound...from my childhood on I was clearly advised how to make sure I am safe and I grew up in the 90s ..
Vienna is awful, the social buildings are very neglected😂
My American son moved from NYC to FABULUSE VIENNA..thanks God he is not in Fake USA
20% home ownership sucks
Not in a city
Social housing should be only temporary and not for everyone
why?
@@sozialbetreuer If it is for everybody, it menas that it is not social housing. :)