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That’s what I keep saying. I know i sound like a grandma yelling at naughty kids 😂, but you really are who you hang around with… I’ve lived long enough to see this 😅. A lot of bad ppl keep bad ppl around, a lot of times cause they got dirt on each other. One thing would be that he was friends with this guy and then found out about his wrongdoings and broke it off. But he kept him around… 😅I even side eye his wife tbh …
@@FabiolaRVela I don’t feel like Kelsey is so innocent either…she’s smart enough to figure out what’s going on and still chose to associate herself with that disgusting r4pist and pathetic excuse of a husband 🤮
As a woman, there's this clarity that happens around your mid-twenties, thirties. Where you become super aware of all the adult men that targeted you when you were most vulnerable. You look back at parties and friend groups and even family members...and the lines they used on you. Lines that would never work on an adult woman but they knew would work on a girl desperately trying to feel like an adult or desperately trying to feel loved and seen. I was watching a Doc on Netflix recently and it said that predators go after young people that have past trauma, for lots of reasons right, we have a less than solid support system, we see ourselves as more "adult" because of what we've been through, and this is important...people are less likely to believe us and we are less like to view ourselves as victims until much later in life. You hear adult men defend their attraction and relationships with literal children, young women who's brains aren't finish growing...by saying, oh she's "mature" for her age, "she's wise", "she's not like other teenagers, she's quiet and she's lived". But its bull. A girl that's been hurt or had to take on adult responsibilities is still a GIRL. You're targeting her because she has the body of a woman and the mind, experience, and self autonomy of a child. You're hooking up with her because she's easily impressed, doesn't see through your bullsh*t, and is desperate to be loved. These guys get in a habit of dating and seeking out 16, 17, 18 year olds cuz its easy and the girls are so adoring. And the messed up thing is it'll be years before they understand what happened to them and they were scammed, their bodies used and not respected, used as props in fantasies and not as vulnerable children. That, "quiet, mature, deep, crazy-smart-for-her-age, GIRL", leave her alone!! Let her heal and figure herself out. Let her date people her own age. Let her be a teenager. Any you, either step up your game so you can approach women your own age or be alone. But being that guy always hitting on the youngest woman in the room, dating high schoolers and college girls well into adulthood...we see you, we get it now, and we will call you out for being sad, gross, and a predator.
Something interesting to note: whenever Tana does the live Cancelled Podcast tours, she asks fans not to record and post videos when they’re there. If that fan never posted that video, this probably wouldn’t have blown up like it has right now.
This also just goes to show she didn’t say this for clout or attention. It wasn’t her intention for that to get out. She could’ve made a UA-cam video years ago called “Cody ko is a predator”. She didn’t. I don’t understand people saying she’s only saying this for flour
@@zarzee8925 I understand your argument, but 1) people sometimes blurt stuff out and regret it later, and 2) the fan still could have respected the no recording rule, but chose not to do so. This isn’t a black and white situation.
I don't get why people think bringing up Tana being a party girl or how she dresses or behaved is a valid argument against her. Tana is a textbook example of the type of girls who get preyed on. She's from a tumultuous family background with no parental supervision. She's hanging around in adult spaces. She's old enough to feel grown but young enough to be very naive. She had just moved away from her home state and parents. She had just started blowing up and was probably not doing so great dealing from the sudden amount of scrutiny she was receiving over everything she did and said. And she's been Cody's fan since before she was 15
I said the same thing in another video! I don’t think these people realise that “but this underage girl was drinking and on drugs!” Is not the consent slam-dunk they think it is. I work in education and if we saw a teenager drinking heavily, partying, using drugs, difficult home life, we would immediately be flagging them as “at risk”. “yeah she was underage BUT she was drinking, partying and dressing provocatively!” Yeah bud that sounds like the exact kind of person who I’d expect to get preyed on, that’s like the perfect combination of circumstances for someone to be preyed on by an older person.
@@IronWangCreatesyou say “preyed on” as if everyone in someone’s proximity is aware of every tid bit & detail of their lives. when you’re at a grown people’s party, people assume it’s grown people. is that really such a bad assumption? to not assume that some little ass kid is going to be inserting herself where she is going to whine about inserting herself in 10 years? i had a tumultuous life. you don’t see me making a grandiose fool of myself online in front of a camera for attention telling bizarre stories & hopping on every lap with a little change to spare i can. let’s keep the “predator” & “r*pist” allegations where they fit, where the context genuinely aligns with the accusations. call him creepy sure. call him stupid absolutely. you people are insane though, & doing a genuine disservice to everyone that’s genuinely faced violence or actually been led or backed into an uncomfortable position. being young & naive & getting yourself somewhere does not equate to being lured & preyed in on. unless you were a fly on the wall, STFU. go advocate for someone that actually needs justice. go advocate for people that actually face brutality, & never face justice when their real life predators & perpetrators get to walk freely, actually hurting people & interacting with the real world & being set off on innocent people; not cooped up at home with a wife & newborn & career.
Creeps taking advantage of the perfect victims. I was 15, no validation from my father, feeling trapped in my home, wanting to be someone and somewhere else. The creep gave me attention and validation, gifts and trips etc. I didnt understand then what much more valuable I lost and he gained through this. Fathers of thr world please, give your daughters a sence of self worth and standards and please do not turn a blind eye.
Ya know, from what I know about Gabbie Hanna, she’s actually an awful person. But I do believe she holds people to a standard she doesn’t hold herself. And I think she has genuine conviction for some things that are wrong and I think despite all the terrible things she’s done she will do the right thing if it’s easy for her. Informing him she was underage was very easy for her. And I believe both of them.
Gabbie is a narcissist, not a predator. And a narcissist usually has a savior complex. Like she looked good for doing something good. That is 100% in tune with everything else about her. It’s ridiculous to not believe her
Reminds me of Courtney Love casually denouncing Harvey Weinstein on the red carpet years before the #MeToo events. There's just something about unstable women standing up for other women!
@@YankeeRebel1348 yeah, but I think that bad people can have morals. And a narcissist like herself, is going to absolutely “do the right thing” at least sometimes because this helps keep herself and everyone else in the illusion that she’s not a completely rotten person. It makes this story actually more believable
i think it’s a bigger issue with society as a whole tbh, and people aren’t supposed to have this much power, i think it fucks with their heads. i don’t think that’s the only reason why public figures do weird shit like this, but it’s part of it for sure. also how society is obsessed with youth and not ageing
@@hamsackk I think it's at least partly having to do with people who usually want to do something in the entertainment industry, whether online or more mainstream like tv and movies whatever, have a lot of personality issues. Many love the attention and all the perks they get as they become more and more known to the world and like you said that can get to their heads. People like that have no business "getting and getting" when they're not all the way right within themselves, just gonna make things worse. People with a dysfunctional history can make the best entertainers but can do some pretty effed up things behind closed doors. Humanity is wild.
its not just the fame its the money. once people feel theyre no longer member of the working class they realize the lives rich people live are truely on a whole nother reality than the rest of us. we cant even imagine the type of evil rich people get up to, enabled by their extreme wealth
It’s a control thing. People let it get to their heads and just keep pushing the goalposts, when they get to a certain age and they can’t control people their own age, they move down to the more vulnerable people. Lots of times It’s sick people who like power.
1. Public figures almost by their own natures are not normal people - most of us will never understand what it's like having a high level of success/fame/wealth/power. 2. The reason a lot of public figures end up getting involved with minors is imo cause most of their fanbases are children - like the kind of fans who really adore them and prop up the image the content creator is trying to cultivate - they find extreme validation from these fans, and the kind of people who want to be online famous are the kind of people desperate to feel validated/loved/popular.
I’ve seen too many people arguing that Tana was close enough to 18 that it doesn’t make a difference, but dude, we aren’t playing darts. The age of consent is not a target for you to hit. You don’t win because her age was “close enough”. She was not an adult and it was not appropriate for him to take advantage of his influence to sleep with her. As someone who is the same age as Cody was when it happened, it’s horrific thinking about sleeping with a 17 year old. They act like children because they are children. They do not have anywhere close to the same life experience as a 25 year old so there is inevitably naivety there that shouldn’t be taken advantage of. He was the adult, he should have done better. It’s not hard to not sleep with a 17 year old.
it kinda does make a difference, she's not magically a different person a couple months later, still looks the same, acts the same but the main issue is that he was 25! Not 19 or 20 (and a dumb kid himself).. He should have known better
I said it in the comments of D'Angelo's video, and I'll paraphrase it here. I am a 25 y/o man. 17-year-olds are not my peers. They're gangly kids who need their parents' permission to hang out with friends on a school night. They're the high schoolers I tutor. They're my youngest cousin, who's just starting to fully grasp that there's a whole world of people outside the friends he grew up with. They can't vote, they can't drink, and many of them can't drive. They have So. Much. Growing left to do. The difference between me and them, in terms of brain development and life experience, is absolutely staggering. That difference stacks so much power in my favor that it sickens me. To pursue someone sexually with that level of power over them is predatory, full stop. And if you're also a minor celebrity they already look up to? Fucking forget about it. I hate when people use these situations to nitpick over age of consent shenanigans (i.e. "she was basically 18!"), when the literal number of years someone's been alive is not the actual problem. The problem is the difference in power, and it's why I as a 25-year-old man absolutely cannot see myself being attracted to someone more than 3-ish years younger than me. Even undergrad college students feel like starry-eyed kids to me now. I don't think there's any justifying Cody's behavior.
Reading your reply, I felt an odd sense of relief. As someone who is currently 18 going on 19, I feel like people expect people in the 17-19 age range to automatically know everything. And that they need to hurry and become an adult or they will be shamed by society. We don’t know, I barely applied for my first job, and I was so terrified to drive that I’ve only started trying to learn last year. People my age are still prone to being targets because they don’t know or weren’t taught. And everyone is raised differently while experiencing different experiences. But the fact is that we are barely entering the adult world, and we seek guidance. And that causes some to take advantage of that. Especially those with a large influence or power. So thank you for your sense of understanding, that we are indeed still children that are trying to learn, and being a person who provides the help and guidance to those who need it.
Well in a purely philosophical sense that is not a very valid argument at all, especially given the fact that skill comes with practice so statistically, one would be most likely to mess up and get caught the first time they try. I get the point though, just couldn't resist.
Im so glad you mention Angelika's video! Everyone has been talking about how D'Angelo brought this all to light, and it always bothered me that no one gave Angelika props for making that video back then before there was pressure to speak out about cody ko.
angelika has jumped to conclusions on many dramas/accusations before. its not a shock she wasnt taken as a good reliable source. shes not exactly a good person to get your accurate information from, and im kinda surprised shes been able to just... move on from her own drama, like im glad she did talk about it but... like... shes not trustworthy to use as a good source and i dont doubt her video being taken that seriously
I watched that video back when she released it so when it all blew up recently i was like yeah ive known abt this for years, cant believe it took this long for everyone else to find out but im glad hes finally been exposed
@jennifervasquez Yeah same i remember seeing the video in 2021 and telling myself to not watch cody anymore... crazy that it took 3 years for it to blow up. It even got to the point that i forgot why i stopped watching him but knew that there was a serious reason.
She was sexualized and sexually exploited so much that this one incident doesn't feel traumatic to her 8 years later. So many people are taking that as an excuse to say it doesn't matter.
I’m 25 and honestly the thought of dating someone 21 would be weird. But someone young enough to be in high school… that’s horrifying. The older I get, the more disgusted I get with the ‘she looked over 18’. No. Everyone who is a teenager looks like a teenager. Full stop.
Hell, most teenagers look like freaking babies to me, now. It's horrifying that I had a friend who at 19 was dating a 43yo. I know it's not a crime, but the different phases of life were super creepy.
Right?? The difference between 17 and 18 is solely a legal one. Dating someone who turned 18 a few days ago isn't illegal, but it's just as much of a power imbalance.
I'm 25 and would happily date a 21 year old lmao, there's no blueprint for all 21 year olds, they're adults and all people in their 20s are at different stages, for example I still live with my parents whilst I save
So glad to see Tana’s age addressed. So many people are arguing about her age and even if they know she was 17, they argue about the morality of “well, it’s two months before 18….” which is just. ugh. no.
Even if Tana was 18, Cody is still a predator and creep AT BEST. Anyone trying to use the “well she was almost 18” defense, are defending a predator and they’re defending disgusting behavior.
As someone who's experienced something similar to Tana, in terms of having to grow up far too early, it definitely rings true. You do things you think you understand, and it's fine in the moment, but in retrospect... what kind of adult allows that to happen... disgusting..
Yeah man… I remember when I discovered that Demi Levato had dated Wilmer Valderrama when he was like 29? And she was 17, 16? she wrote a whole song reflecting back once she turned the same as he was when they started dating… Insane, dude. Literally like how can you do that as an adult ?!?
Same. I can't help but feel sad for that kid I once was. Now that I am the age of the person, it really makes me understand exactly what happened and it finally clicks. I recently had the person reach out to me, and I just deleted and blocked them. But part of me wants justice even though it was 13 years ago. I had dropped it but hearing from them created so many weird emotions I hadn't been expecting. And here I was, thinking I knew what I was doing trusting someone so much older. How could anyone anticipate any of it?
Yeah, it's really wild when you grow up and realize all the stuff that you thought was okay actually wasn't, because when you grow up fast you feel like you're an adult. But then you actually become an adult and realize how messed up the situation was
IMO - If it happened to Tana - it happened to others. You cannot tell me based on the evidence we can see that Cody just thought Tana was the one exception. That’s what’s sickening & sad.
I will definitely admit I haven’t kept too up to date with this story, only because it’s triggering for me. I was under the impression that Tana was the only one who has spoken out. I do apologize
Yeah… 😢 I had tried to explain to a friend dating someone 20 years older than her recently that regardless of how cool she is and how cool I think she is, there are women in their 40s with her personality and her vibes and her coolness. He’s not with someone in their 20s for their personality. I hope I got through to her at all bc she still thinks she’s in control of that relationship, that she’s the one who started it, and that it’s not disgusting. Like, there’s no reason someone who has only ever experienced your generation as children compared to theirs, based on who the comparative kid is, that is good enough to violate that barrier. He could have been her friend, her mentor, her paternal figure. I wish I knew how to make her take seriously that she can want the relationship to be carnal all she likes, but someone 20 years older who’s existed double her entire lifetime reciprocating that carnal aspect is deeply disturbing
Don’t Like Tana. Dont Favor Anyone. I Do Not Care. I Do Not Know What Happened. I Was Not A Fly On The Wall. Neither Were You. Will Either Of Us Actually Be Affected By The Truth?
@@frosty_teacupit’s actually as simple as “ we do not know the full & whole truth, nor was this a crime & it’s only immoral because there’s a spotlight & a crowd “ do you have the balls to say this to the people you know? let’s worry about what’s close to home. what will actually trickle down & have affect on you & the world.
@@waner17 have the balls to say what 😭 that victims matter regardless of who they are? thats not that crazy of a thing to say and i actually have said this to people i know irl!! grow up and stop denying the truth right in front of you eyes.
I'll always prefer to apologize for thinking someone's a rapist than apologizing to someone for not believing they were raped. I don't like Tana, but of course I'll believe her.
Same. As "cruel" as it may sound, I'd much rather believe everybody who comes out with an accusations than believe nobody. The statistics and history is there, easy to find on the internet, I would never value that 1% false accusations over the 99% true, especially with how disrespected the outspoken victims are and mocked the fearful ones are, being told at any time that its "too late".
This can be hugely damaging to people. Public example, the kwite situation. Private example, two minors consenually hooked up, both too young to understand anything, girl didnt like it and thought if it wasnt enjoyable and i regret it it must be r4pe/assault. Boy became depressed and sewerslidal because he became known around school as a r4pist. I dont mean to use these to invalidate this or any other allegations, just please be careful of what bandwagons you jump on because allegations can be used as a weapon to inflict damage onto victims (the kwite situation) and even when they arent, without both sides or a detailed understanding of the situation you can absolutely destroy the lives of innocent people
even if Tana was freshly 18, that only makes it legal, not morally right. People being pedantic about legality when its really that Cody has immoral hypocrisy when it comes to sexual predatory behavior is the problem. Personally I dont think legal adulthood should be until 20/21. 18 and 17 dont make a difference. I flirted with a 28 year old when I was 17 and as soon as he found out I was 17 he ghosted me, as he SHOULD have. I was 1 month out from 18 and he knew that. Because it doesnt matter about the legality, it was immoral and predatory for him to continue pursuing me once he learned that.
@@Jon-rr6ll When i was 17, i was pretty stupid and childish. Kids at that age aren't matured fully in terms of emotional, mental, decision-making development. They are still dependent, easy to manipulate. That's why no one should prey on that ages to 17-19. The consent should be at 21.
PREAAACH. I’ve been saying we should up the age of consent!! If our brains are only fully developed at 25, why are we letting 18 year olds be able to be pursued by older people (and vote and stuff). We’re not allowed to legally drink until 21, rightfully so, and adding in that they’re a legal adult at that time is fitting. I think 18 to 21 should be considered “pre-adult” similar to how 10-12 is considered preteen and neither child or teenager, and not “young adult”. Anyone who’s upset about that idea is probably a creep anyway, coming from a 21 year old.
this whole situation is so upsetting, it feels like once someone hits a certain amount of popularity it gets to their head and they think they cant get caught for anything edit: in a way cody ko really wont get caught in the sense that he wont get punished, he wont go to jail or anything. The worst that can happen is he loses a couple thousand followers, however at the end of the day he'll still have a good nights sleep and a full belly
@@chadfromsleepingbeauty exactly, i assume they expect their victims to not come out with what happened bc "i'm famous and youre a nobody" or something of the sort
@GHOSTSTARSCREAM for us there is more than enough evidence, legally though, (since if these allegations are true it would be a crime) that would be circumstantial evidence
Whenever someone tries to defend behavior like this I always like to reference S2:E11 of Bojack Horseman (spoilers, obviously): In this episode, Bojack almost sleeps with a 17 year old girl but gets caught. The show makes it very clear that even though nothing happened, and even if something did happen, it wouldn’t have been illegal (the incident happened in New Mexico where the age of consent is 17, both parties were fully consenting and sober), but it’s still a horrible, disgusting thing. Bojack feels immense guilt - not that feeling guilty makes it ok - and characters continue chastise him for years. The issue is due to a massive power imbalance between an older celebrity and a girl too young to have the life experience required to fully understand the repercussions. Just because you like Cody Ko (I did too) does not make this at all acceptable.
😂good god when will the projections end. if tanner wants to come forward, let her. like we all agreed tho, not a crime. what is he supposed to do about it? roll over & die because she chose to enter that scene when she was technically a little girl but didn’t want to act like it? half of you wouldn’t even exist if the world was so moral & just as you wish. is that truly the world you want? you’re saying every life that’s ever come from a love you deem unfit is unworthy?
@@waner17this sounds like the projection you speak of. i don’t know your own experiences, but discrediting a person’s trauma and SA is deplorable. whatever point you want to prove, you’ve only shown you have no regard for this victim or sensitivity toward this matter and i pity you. you can hold space for others while acknowledging nuance in your own experiences and worldview
@@waner17baby it is a crime,, in orlando where the crime in question took place, the age of consent is 18. Tanna was 17, this making it a crime. but even if it wasn’t a crime, how are you gonna blame a young girl for a grown man’s choices? tana being 17 means legally she was not able to consent. also, tana DID come forward did you even watch the damn video?
@waner17 essentially your logic is "you think rape isn't okay therefore you think babies that are the product of rape shouldn't exist! Not everyone can follow your high morals of not raping people" listen to yourself. Your opinion is disgusting and you need to rethink.
Yeah I haven’t seen the full show but did t he do it twice? One with a friends daughter and another w a girl who he knew since she was like a child (Sarah Lynn? Idk her dad was a bear an an abuser and she died or something maybe?? But like bojack did it so many times)
I haven’t seen many people mention this, but the ages are 17 and 25. And those can be the ages of a high school senior and their teacher. I had a student teacher who was 22 when I was 17. So it makes me think, how would people feel about it then; if Tana was a student and Cody was her teacher. Would the conversation be the same? Would people still say “oh it was Tana what did she say/do/wear?”. To me I think it’s very telling how many people claim that because Tana was a “party girl” it wasn’t that bad. But to me it can feel worse in this case. Why is a 25 year old hanging around younger “party girls”. I know many kids start their partying era around 17/18 especially in Canada. But idk it feels very gross to me to have a grown adult encourage a teenager to begin their party era of life at such a vulnerable age. Anyways just my 2 cents on this.
Even with that - I'm a 21 year old college girl. I see freshman boys and I can tell they are too young, even with such a minimal age gap. The personality differences between above 21 and below 21 is crazy, and I haven't even reached my mid 20s yet and everyone says there's a second puberty to look forward to.
That’s kinda the thing a lot of these people who say “17 is basically 18, what’s the big deal,” is that 18 is still SO young… yeah, sure, they might be a legal adult, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t creepy for much older people to be wanting to sleep with them.
@@skgray15 Absolutely! Even before graduating this summer, any time I had to interact with 18-19 year olds on campus they seemed so immature. nothing against them, but we do not want the same things AT ALL
This. I got hit on by students when I first started teaching, and the ick factor was huge. I started teaching when I was 23. That age gap wasn't huge in numbers, but the power imbalance was. I can't imagine someone a couple years older than me looking at a child and thinking that hooking up with them is okay.
They had probably already slept together before that is my guess. That’s why he acted surprised but didn’t actually care - the deed had already been done
@@TJNeeseI don’t care I’m on goddamn LSD, if someone tells me they’re underage, my brain will still understand they’re underage. Nobody is denying he was drunk. But being drunk doesn’t make you innocent of murder, violent assault, driving under the influence or SLEEPING WITH A MINOR. Him being drunk isn’t f¥cking relevant to him sleeping with a minor. Focus on the topic at hand.
I will say, out of all of this shittiness, I am glad that we now live in a time period where someone can say "I was 17 (or 16, 18, 19, etc. just... *teen* ) and got with someone who was 25 - 26(+)" and people will now actually say, yeah that's gross and not okay. Because it really is not okay. That sort of thing for so long has been so normalised like, "oh they just like older men/women" not "that adult hooking up with teens is a fucking creep" I "dated" someone who was 26 when I was 17, so I can speak from direct experience when I say any adult willing to get with anyone who has the -teen suffix on their age, is fucking gross. I'm glad this is a more common realisation now. Trust me, especially to any young girls out there: hooking up with older guys is not the flex you want it to be, you are being taken advantage of. Please get away from those people; they will not show you respect, love, or care.
Addendum to add: for me, an adult is someone who is fully grown and developed. 18 is legal drinking age in my country, but I personally don't think I could get with and/or date anyone under 25, which is the age that our brains finish developing. I'm 27, and I can't fathom how anyone 25+ can just be down for *any* age with "teen" in it. People get weird about 18 and 19 but I dunno, I hear "teen" and immediately my brain just says, "that's a child" This is someone who has not had the life experience to understand the full context of adulthood and predation. This is someone who, even if they've been sexually active before that age, still doesn't truly have a grasp on what a healthy adult relationship be it romantic or just intimate, should be. I can't see anyone with "teen" still in their age as another adult equal to myself and I'm not sorry for saying that, nor do I understand (or want to involve myself with) other fully-grown adults who look at anyone under 20 as a potential bang and/or partner
@@GrimFelArtliterally incredibly valid and based lol. I'm an older teen myself and i can only imagine just how much I'll learn/change at 21-25, and so on. Even as a lil kid the thought of 18 suddenly being okay but 17/16/15 is ""jailbait"" was so creepy to me. Honestly, i wish the age of consent all over the world could be raised to at the very least 21, just so i can see how many people flip out. As if that'll stop them, gross. Some people aren't even ""decent"" enough to wait, as disgusting as it is, for "barely legal". Teens really have been far too sexualized for what we are, and changing the terms from highschool girl to college teen in certain spaces means nothing.
@@Vesperad0 I'm glad you have sense, it's great to see. Same, even in my teens the whole "jailbait" thing icked me. Thankfully for me for the most part, growing up (and now) I was considered "ugly" so have usually been invisible to creepos. But some of em really will just go for anyone or anything that will tolerate them 🤢 I was desperate enough to do so because I craved the feeling of being desirable, but of course it was all manipulation. 1000% agree that legal age for consent should be raised everywhere and it's baffling to me that that's a controversial/unpopular opinion Like I think about myself when I was 19 and I was a fuckin idiot lol I didn't know who I was, what I wanted, what real relationships looked like. I was still figuring out my gender identity and sexuality ffs I was definitely not an adult 😆 Absolutely, teens are so so overly sexualised, to the point that they rush into big decisions that they don't understand the full gravity and context of. Like, when I was 14 and my first bf in highschool was 17 I was convinced we'd end up married when I was 18 lol. Sure, some teenagers can be more articulate and sensible, but the life experience just isn't there. And that's not any kind of shade, just fact. Wish kids could just be kids
@@Vesperad0 And that stellar specimen of a human I was preyed on by, after dumping me via text when he'd gotten what he wanted, was spotted the week after with a 15y/o A true charmer, clearly 😆 I wish I could tell teen me "you're looking for validation after a lifetime of being ridiculed, and he knows and is taking advantage of that vulnerability"
@kiamckenz And it's SO normalised!! Like, look at the movie/comic Scott Pilgrim VS The World, for example. Literally the b-plot is the main, mid-20s character is/was dating a teen girl who thinks she's in love with him and it's played up for laughs, not as "this guy is a fucking creep." It's played up for eye-rolls and giggles, a silly obstacle of a dumb obsessed girl, not any kind of real commentary. And that's just 1 of absolutely innumerable examples. Not to mention teachers and students, especially the double-standard around female teachers assaulting and preying on male students it's just....urgh if I were to really start going we'd be here for an entire thesis-length write-up lmao I'm glad people are finally finally starting to push back against it. It's a minority, but we're fucking here and we're not going anywhere.
This topic is huge for me personally. End of 2023 I confronted my abuser (22yo bf, I was 15) through a lawyer. I got an appology and compensation. I can now close that chapter, but he will owe me forever. Teenagers can think that they are grown and creepy adults take advantage of it. Only now at 33 I was able to see and express what this whole situation was and how it affected my life. Im really glad that the internet is talking about this topic!
Let's not get crazy, Trisha still cosplayed a dead child and monetized it. She's grown a lot but she's done some pretty messed up stuff too and it's important to remember that before generalizing
@@cholesteroyal Trisha did not use children for free labor (even if it was "only" social media). So yes, she's done bad, but still better than Colleen. 🤷♀️
it feels so deeply uncomfortable that this was a man I used to really like and watch often. It's weirdly commonplace for UA-camrs to be exposed as freaks and predators but this is the first time I can really recall where it was someone I was personally a fan of who was called out for preying on a minor
I got an off-feeling when he covered Girl Defined. The two of them obviously spread a lot of misogynistic and hateful ideas and deserve to be criticised, but he didn't bring any of that up... just made fun of the way they speak and look. It wasn't nearly enough to be an indictment of his character, but it did leave a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Now with everything we know it adds up to an unpleasant character
I felt that away about the “That’s cringe” episode with Skippy. I made a comment on how Cody seemed like a frat boy womanizer a few years back but I got hate and I felt bad so I deleted it. But I never went back to that video until recently and the signs were there. The way that he objectifies those women and even Noel seemed irritated by it spoke volumes.
Same. I watched a few of his videos once because the algorithm suggested it, and he and a friend were playing that phone game Episodes, you know the one? Now there is a lot of ways to make fun of that app, watching a play through of one of the stories can be pretty fun if the UA-camr is fun. But their whole entire one joke for the video was “hehehe we made our character a lesbian hehehehe she’s gonna do lesbian stuff hehehehe I hope we get to watch lesbian sex” and okay so the humor here is middle school boy. Got it. Goodbye 👋🏻 I honestly never understood how Cody Ko was so popular when there are just… better commentator channels out there??
OMG I’m so glad someone said something about this?!?! I remember that video coming out, and feeling really uncomfortable abt it too! exactly cuz of your points!! And I remember everyone enjoying it n I was like ?? Guess I’m the one in the wrong lol… anyway grateful u said something cuz i completely forgot all of that lol
I remember his vines being rather distasteful towards women his age or younger - that's why as a kid I never followed him on vine cos I got bad vibes but on youtube he seemed fine since I rediscovered him in 2021
Just leaving this here for anyone who comes across it, Bethany and Dav of Girl Defined are dealing with deconstruction and mixed-faith marriage right now. The channel Zelph on the Shelf covers it, and they actually have a sit-down and listen to Bethany talk about how criticism did and didn't affect her - I think that's pertinent to the original comment, so I'm sharing this!
33:54 “You can be friends with somebody for years and that person can turn out to be an absolutely horrific garbage piece of sh*t 💩” massive sigh 😮💨 Damn you just know this man is still crushed knowing he associated with and was a somewhat “friend” with Alex. I know the video is about Cody but damn you could just feel that.
I do find it fascinating that the girlies HAD been speaking about this, Angelika Oles, TeaSpill, etc, but only when a male commentary channel (no hate to D'angelo they're amazing) did more people start talking about Cody...
Literally. Angelika made her video a month ago, DWKT mentioned this months ago when the video came out. It’s like one male commentator had to make a video so the rest new it was safe and they wouldn’t get backlash 😐
I honestly don't know if I should be surprised anymore. There have been so many influencers and youtubers exposed to being a horrible person it makes you not trust anyone anymore 😔
I've heard from many sources that the Gabbie Hanna clip was scrubbed from the internet but it's available in a public video from Repzilla 2 years ago called 'Gabbie Hanna Tried To Sell Tana Mongeau's Trauma' it even has the same filter over the clip used in D'Angelos video. This was in a video posted by Coffee and Cults. Imo this all has been swept under the rug quite a few times but seems the information has always been available publicly. D'Angelo as a respected creator did a commendable job bringing this all to light starting a bigger conversation that should of happened years ago.
One thing that's really heartbreaking about this is Tana us fully aware that what happened could have been a traumatic situation. But in her mind she's constantly comparing it to worse situations her conscious mind doesn't even view it as such but that doesn't mean the subconscious isn't affected by it.
Thank you for doing a quick background on Cody Ko. When he was gaining popularity I was forbidden from the Internet and everyone else was like "you know who he is" and no!!! I really really don't! But I do now
I literally had the same thing happen to me with a friend group of people, all 25+, when I was 16/17/18. A 30 year old in that group pursued me, and then after he was done, another couple pursued me too. Then, They made me out to be a toxic ex and used the fact that I was abused and have mental health issues as a result against me. When I finally decided to cut them all off, they said I was “in an echo chamber” because my new chosen family was telling me what they did was bad. They even said it was “cruel” of me to cut them off right before a vacation, making it so they couldn’t enjoy it. These people are everywhere and as adults we really need to call them out. I’m proud of Gabby. I’m so sorry for Tana.
I'm sorry for you and glad you found good people to take care of you. You were abused and it's super important to recognise it and have people believe you. Take care!
you LITERALLY didn’t! tho! what don’t you people understand! stop projecting your life onto some random woman! go to therapy, honor that little girl within you by seeking your own truth instead of trying to paint it over other peoples’ face! it’s a different scene & place, completely different dynamics than You (Jane Doe) & Joe Shmoe John Doe! & then to mix substances & what not. not to mention, are you flys on the wall?!!? what fly was interviewed here?!? we are making a story on internet rumors. that’s THISGUYS whole entire career! he only has 1M bc the rest of these mouth breathers are so absorbed in celeb life they don’t give a damn that there are actually real people in their communities being predated on, real predators lurking amongst them. but yeah. focus on the guy that has a wife & newborn & who ultimately to your knowledge, stays the fuck home & doesn’t affect you! no crime was committed, *maybe* it was creepy if we dissect it enough but honest to god why do ANY of you care about this?? out of all the women that need support, this liar is it. i’m gonna say it. i just don’t care. i just don’t care what young women CHOSE to talk to an older dude in LA for clout. i just do not. i have PERSONALLY been through worse. like try not actually being able to trust any actual man around you. oooh womp womp tho, tanner here has ragrets from a decade ago all of a sudden in a lull in here dramasphere. ok?
this is so gross, he is so gross. i turn 23 in a few days and i cannot fathom dating a teenager, even if they’re 19. that’s just a me thing, bc yes they are a legal adult, but i’m thinking back to when i was 19 and younger. i looked like a kid, and i acted like a kid. most teenagers are the same way. i’ve seen a lot of people defending cody ko bc they don’t like tana. i don’t like tana but that’s ridiculous. there is no such thing as a “perfect victim.” yes, a person can do questionable things and they can also have questionable things done upon them - it’s not mutally exclusive
oh my god THANK YOU for referencing Angelica's coverage of this and pointing out that both she and Tana have been talking about this situation for years!
It's not that people weren't speaking about it. It's that the commentary space is such a boy's club that more often than not female creators' channels are just labelled "tea" channels and aren't viewed seriously. Lots of women have been talking about this, but it's not enough until the major channels that are run by men talk about this. (You can label me as an angry feminist all you want I don't care but in this case that and bc tana isn't "the perfect victim" is the reason this hasn't hit the headlines until now).
Glad you gave Angelika a shout out, when you brought up D’Angelo I was gonna bring her up because she actually made a video this year a couple weeks before his and it got overlooked again until after his came out
Real answer, there is not that many shapes a human face can take. As someone who is faceblind so many people look the same, people who isn't faceblind just isn't used to seeing people as looking the same. I for ages was sure fox news had one blond lady working for them based on like the daily show, showing clips from them
You know what's even worse? That 100s of other influencers also take advantage of their younger fans and no one talks about that. We live in a world where so many crimes are just swept under the rug. It's just sad.
One of the worse facts about Cody not responding, is now people who are looking for answers are harassing Kelsey. Cody should acknowledge what he did or say something,and not allow it fall on his wife, who is a recent mother. Wouldn't want a partner who just drop something this awful on me and not take any responsibility.
yes!!! this has been bugging me for so long- like the fact that kelsey has her comments turned off on her social media (at least instagram) but cody doesn't is just so telling of the whole situation. obviously cody isn't responsible for peoples' decision to comment on his wife's posts but like? the fact that even her being harassed hasn't gotten him to say anything is beyond vile. i really hope she's doing okay.
Forget where I heard this but “for a man to be accused, he needs to have never done anything right. For a woman to be believed, she needs to have never done anything wrong.” Cody Ko has been a predator for years, but nobody has talked about this because he’s a UA-cam Golden Boy and Tana is seen as problematic. It’s good to see people finally taking this seriously. Cody needs to apologize to the people he made victims and he needs to see consequences.
Also Cody is trying to get a US citizenship and he will be rejected if he is charged/admits to a crime. He’s DEF not going to speak on this topic. He’s a coward
As someone who has been 25 before..her being 17 or 18 doesn't make that much of a difference morally. Legally its okay if she would've been 18 but a 25 yo with a 18 yo is just predatory and weird.
@@ValDmitGolo just think when you apologise for someone else getting upset over something minor you legitimise them being a whiney baby about something that isn’t that deep
Taylor Swift also did this with several teen boys, including Conor Kennedy. Conor himself she started dating after the death of his mother, when he would've been vulnerable and easy to manipulate. But she's much more wealthy and powerful than Cody Ko, with a rabid fanbase that would destroy anyone who spoke out. She joins the ranks of Ezra Miller, Sam-Taylor Johnson, Drake, and all the others who got away with grooming because they were rich, powerful, and celebrities.
@@tillitillibom3299it irks me bc howww were you manipulated by a teenage boy at *your grown age.* The babying of Taylor Swift is something that makes me irrationally angry
Honestly more than half of celebrities have publicly dated someone very young with an inappropriate age gap and no one ever calls it out… I cannot for the life of me remember her name but a female commentary creator made an amazing video about it a while back. The video is called something like “The normalization of weird age gaps” or something like that. Could find it if I dug for it but that video makes me wish more of the mainstream media would call this stuff out when it happened.
As just a normal person and not a content creator, I was sexually manipulated by one of my favorite youtubers when I was 18 (legal but way younger than him [who you also have covered]) and I can only imagine being in the same sphere as someone like that and having them show interest in you, especially even younger. It sucks to see how everyone is using Tana's flaws to try to negate the story when there's ample proof of what he's done.
as a normal person & someone also feeling the need to trauma dump on people to win over their ideation in favor, it is so insulting to real victims that EVERYONE is projecting onto this lady. everyone. let’s learn to take liars for what they are. if people want to be heard & be believed, they can make honest livings for themselves. not careers enveloped in the drama of their own lies. what happens when she’s debunked to be a liar? what then? what happens when her ass is handed to her in court? then that hurts everyone. every single comment you’ve posted in support of a liar is not only in support of perps themselves but it helps them step on victims. think twice about who you ‘Back 1000%😻’ & believe every word of.
It killed me the way Tana described her experience because it hits so close to home. For me, it wasn't until my nieces got toward their teen years that I was like "If grown men approached any of them the way they did me all throughout my teens, I would cut the bastards!" and it was only then that I started to see clearly what happened with me all that time, multiple times, and how screwed up it was that I had adults all around me who were supposed to protect me who were cool with it. I had a very similar life to what Tana described prior to UA-cam with her parents and if I had to guess, she probably had things that were more traumatic, more violent that happened to her (she even said as much on her podcast) which helps a young girl to feel like "This isn't wrong.... this is not trauma....I know trauma!" That makes the situation even harder to see for what it is when you are young. It really makes me mad when I see comments saying something to the effect of 'Tana is fine with it!' It is not on the person who was a minor to decide it's wrong. That is the whole damn point of statutory rape laws. Plus, like she said, like I can also say, when you have had more traumatic experiences happen, it muddies the waters when you look back at it ... until you see it through the eyes of your reaction if that was a young girl close to you once you are grown. Thank you for just keeping the heat on Cody instead of dragging other friends and creators into this. I feel like one of the ways these scum bags end up evading taking responsibility for what they have done is by people bringing everyone else into it and digging up completely irrelevant things, things that have nothing to do with the serious crime in question, that everyone around them has ever done. This is not about Brittany Broski not speaking out hard enough (she started out a fan before she met him so yeah, this probably sucks for her but more importantly.... she didn't commit statutory rape). It's not about his wife letting Emma Chamberlain hit a damn vape once as a teenager or what his friends knew. The heat needs to be kept on HIM and on what HE has done. Period.
The the whole "Oh she matured quickly because of her circumstances" argument is bollocks. She didn't mature quickly, she had to deal with an adult world as a teenager with no proper preparation for said world. She wasn't mature, she was doing her best. And she was failed by the people around her.
Either the power makes people evil. Or evil people seek the power in the first place to get access to their targets. Either way, the bigger the ego, the less trustworthy is the person.
@@themischief420 haha i wasnt upset or anything. i was just joking around about the irony of this person's profile and username considering the context of the video, even having illuminaughti mentioned in the video and this guy making a video about her! i'm completely aware this person is a parody of blair. i hope you can better understand my tone now. so sorry about ur mental illnesses btw. clearly they affect your cognitive abilities
Cody Ko apologising through a DJ set is up there in terms of cringe and immaturity with Colleen Ballinger apologising with a ukulele song. The fact they’re both in their 30s as well makes it even worse…
a few of female creators in commentary space, angelika for example, were speaking about it for a long time, discussing the topic. but only when another man (d'angelo) spoke about it, everyone started to talk ☠️ it's honestly depressing
@millipedie yes, of course, but i think creators in commentary space usually check if anything is happening, looking if some shit is happening. or, at least they should. especially in the situations like this, its important to discuss such topics for bigger creators to reach bigger audience. but it seems to me, some people saw some content about it and chose to stay silent, unfortunately. (and some of them maybe genuinely didn't know and it's okay, considering the silence)
@@loonastrawberry I definitely hear you with that. It’s a super unfortunate situation, and I think you have a very strong point. Thank you for talking about it.
This is just a huge testament to how people treat women like gabby and tana, both have negative images and yet they both said the same thing years apart and still no one took then seriously until a male youtuber with a good image made a vid...feels really gross to me. I hope people change.. :(
To be clear: Even if it wasn't a crime, even if this happened sonewhere where age of consent is 17, it's still disgusting for a 25 year old to sleep with a teenager. Yes, that includes 18 and 19 year olds, before anybody asks. If you disagree, try to be quick about it. I'd hate for you to be late picking up your girlfriend from middle school.
Oof. 33:54 it bothers me when people immediately jump to guilty by association, but there is honestly no way you could have known. As someone who has been in Alice’s shoes, I never blamed any of our friends for not stopping the way my partner treated me. Because he didn’t treat me that way in front of people! I’m sorry for people immediately jumping to conclusions, and I’m sorry that you had to lose a friend that way As far as the Cody Ko situation, I’m amazed that there is still dirt to be dug up on this guy! Kudos to the amazing research you’ve put in, I always appreciate the effort you put into your videos
At this point, I feel like there should be a paper about how allegations like these only gain traction 7-8 years after. There have been SO MANY examples (not just w/ UA-cam, celebrities, politicians as well) where there was no traction the first time and only did the second time around. Could be due to victims aging up and acknowledging in adulthood that what happened was fucked up, but I've seen it happen even with adults
There's something so disturbing about the clips of tana when she was younger. She looks like a child. I always hear people say "they look older" when they literally never do.
When you said “short form videos” I nearly had a heart attack and checked the time stamp. My relief when it was almost an hour long lmao. I came here for my long form content of iNabber, damnit!
I remember the videos of him with that little girl on vine! My kids were watching him and it was the young girl in the front seat and I believe Cody was in the back seat and the guy driving was questioning about whether or not the two of them were dating and she looked extremely uncomfortable and I forgot what else happened in that clip. I remember having a talk with my daughter's about that and told them that that was highly inappropriate and that anybody above the age of 18 was off limits. I had a really long conversation with both of them that nothing good comes from somebody in their twenties wanting to be friends with somebody under the age of 18. I explained to them that trauma comes out of that not friendship!
FINALLY someone adding to the situation and doing their own deep diving instead of baiting the audience with a catchy title and then regurgitating everything that's already been said
Assuming Tana is being sincere, her protectiveness and empathy for girls that have been or are liable to be taken advantage of makes me respect her more because there are tons of victims in her position that turn around and go “Well it’s your turn now. I went through it, so you should too”.
This makes me sick, I was in a relationship at the age of 15 with a 21 year old and though I ended it because he was controlling and toxic. Said things like “I had to keep him interested so he didn’t cheat.” I also had to stand at my school gates on break times so he could see me, I didn’t realise how messed up it was until I was 25 and thought, there is no way I’d date a 15 year old. Just sucks it took so long for me to gain perspective, otherwise I’d have pressed charges. I am glad that now when people speak up they are listened to, pedophiles are often painted as old men but they are any age.
One of my Rules of the Internet: If Trisha Paytas steps back and Patricia comes out, the matter is both extremely serious and extremely current. Trisha will joke about serious things when she believes that they have been resolved (I don't think she realises how much time the wounds need to heal). By her treatment of the matter, Trisha is making clear that she thinks this man is still a danger.
Thank you so much for talking about Angelika, she’s honestly the one who blew the doors wide open on this story and everyone gives credit to D’angelo cause he’s bigger and it makes me happy to finally hear someone give her credit lol
What’s wild is that I unsubscribed from Cody after watching Angelica’s video years ago- then forgot why I unsubscribed, but remembered I didn’t like him anymore. Only to be reminded why once this drama came out more recently. Also why is no one talking about JC Caylen when Tana specifically said “shout out Cody Ko and JC Caylen”-I feel like I’m going crazy.
I’ve been a Cody fan for quite some time. He was one of my comfort UA-camrs when life got too shitty. This whole situation is so disturbing and it’s been genuinely heartbreaking. I’m a victim of SA both through “family” and unfortunately an old classmate of mine as well. No one believed me in either situation, and I can confidently say: not being believed is the worst feeling there is. I’m beyond saddened by how people have treated Tana over this. She’s 100% in the right for having the actual courage to speak about it. I just wish I could give her a big hug. For anyone reading this who’s gone/going through something similar, remember that your feelings are valid. You matter, and deserve to be believed and comforted. And lastly and most importantly, you are not alone. ❤️
I recently watched a review on 'the boys' yes its insanely gross but they pointed out the social commentary on how much ppl with power get away with anything. Famous athletes, politians and famous ppl in general. As much as I think it's awful to prey on teenagers which will catch up to you. I remember back in the day with certain footballers, the amount of accusations they got and nothing really ever got done about it. If Cody actually gets away with this I'll lose my faith in humanity.
If you are this disheartened by something a UA-camr did, you're REALLY going to hate it when you hear what someone who actually got elected president did.. 😂 Not saying any of it was okay, but why are you just losing faith now when powerful men have been getting away with this exact thing since forever? America literally elected a known r@pist to be president.
Another reason Cody may have to stay silent is it could put his immigration status in jeopardy. Cody is Canadian and apparently is in the process of getting a green card. I’m not a lawyer but I’m pretty sure statutory r*pe would be a pretty good reason to deport someone.
I forgot my playback speed was set to 1.50x… that was a terrifying first couple seconds. I thought I was finally having one of those flashbacks they used to “warn” us about…😵💫
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Honestly, it’s wild to think that Cody Ko is the way he is. I never really watched him, and I don’t think I wanna.
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It wasn't random the unsub mate we just saw what happened with your ex and decided to not support you
I just cant imagine someone being a good person while also being friends with a malicious rapist
That’s what I keep saying. I know i sound like a grandma yelling at naughty kids 😂, but you really are who you hang around with… I’ve lived long enough to see this 😅. A lot of bad ppl keep bad ppl around, a lot of times cause they got dirt on each other. One thing would be that he was friends with this guy and then found out about his wrongdoings and broke it off. But he kept him around… 😅I even side eye his wife tbh …
RIGHT!?
how he even let him near his family at his wedding?? gross
That's because you can't be.
@@FabiolaRVela I don’t feel like Kelsey is so innocent either…she’s smart enough to figure out what’s going on and still chose to associate herself with that disgusting r4pist and pathetic excuse of a husband 🤮
As a woman, there's this clarity that happens around your mid-twenties, thirties. Where you become super aware of all the adult men that targeted you when you were most vulnerable. You look back at parties and friend groups and even family members...and the lines they used on you. Lines that would never work on an adult woman but they knew would work on a girl desperately trying to feel like an adult or desperately trying to feel loved and seen. I was watching a Doc on Netflix recently and it said that predators go after young people that have past trauma, for lots of reasons right, we have a less than solid support system, we see ourselves as more "adult" because of what we've been through, and this is important...people are less likely to believe us and we are less like to view ourselves as victims until much later in life. You hear adult men defend their attraction and relationships with literal children, young women who's brains aren't finish growing...by saying, oh she's "mature" for her age, "she's wise", "she's not like other teenagers, she's quiet and she's lived". But its bull. A girl that's been hurt or had to take on adult responsibilities is still a GIRL. You're targeting her because she has the body of a woman and the mind, experience, and self autonomy of a child. You're hooking up with her because she's easily impressed, doesn't see through your bullsh*t, and is desperate to be loved. These guys get in a habit of dating and seeking out 16, 17, 18 year olds cuz its easy and the girls are so adoring. And the messed up thing is it'll be years before they understand what happened to them and they were scammed, their bodies used and not respected, used as props in fantasies and not as vulnerable children. That, "quiet, mature, deep, crazy-smart-for-her-age, GIRL", leave her alone!! Let her heal and figure herself out. Let her date people her own age. Let her be a teenager. Any you, either step up your game so you can approach women your own age or be alone. But being that guy always hitting on the youngest woman in the room, dating high schoolers and college girls well into adulthood...we see you, we get it now, and we will call you out for being sad, gross, and a predator.
so well written and true, its disgusting what some men do. despicable.
Realest thing I've read in a while. I hate the line "mature for your age" now.
Very real and true. I’m 22 and am slowly discovering some of this myself from my past.
Yes to all of this, perfectly said
You need to go into schools and say this. Good luck.
Something interesting to note: whenever Tana does the live Cancelled Podcast tours, she asks fans not to record and post videos when they’re there. If that fan never posted that video, this probably wouldn’t have blown up like it has right now.
I hate to say it but I am kind of glad they went against her wishes this once, just so this got out.
@@beepatpen it just sucks that it took a fan’s disrespect and larger content creators talking about it for it to be taken seriously
If you're touring and doing live shows, you maybe shouldn't say anything that you don't want to be public
This also just goes to show she didn’t say this for clout or attention. It wasn’t her intention for that to get out. She could’ve made a UA-cam video years ago called “Cody ko is a predator”. She didn’t. I don’t understand people saying she’s only saying this for flour
@@zarzee8925 I understand your argument, but 1) people sometimes blurt stuff out and regret it later, and 2) the fan still could have respected the no recording rule, but chose not to do so. This isn’t a black and white situation.
I don't get why people think bringing up Tana being a party girl or how she dresses or behaved is a valid argument against her. Tana is a textbook example of the type of girls who get preyed on. She's from a tumultuous family background with no parental supervision. She's hanging around in adult spaces. She's old enough to feel grown but young enough to be very naive. She had just moved away from her home state and parents. She had just started blowing up and was probably not doing so great dealing from the sudden amount of scrutiny she was receiving over everything she did and said. And she's been Cody's fan since before she was 15
I said the same thing in another video! I don’t think these people realise that “but this underage girl was drinking and on drugs!” Is not the consent slam-dunk they think it is.
I work in education and if we saw a teenager drinking heavily, partying, using drugs, difficult home life, we would immediately be flagging them as “at risk”.
“yeah she was underage BUT she was drinking, partying and dressing provocatively!” Yeah bud that sounds like the exact kind of person who I’d expect to get preyed on, that’s like the perfect combination of circumstances for someone to be preyed on by an older person.
Exactly.
Why tf do people think teens at warped tour ended up rape victims to the band mates so fucking often???
@@IronWangCreatesyou say “preyed on” as if everyone in someone’s proximity is aware of every tid bit & detail of their lives. when you’re at a grown people’s party, people assume it’s grown people. is that really such a bad assumption? to not assume that some little ass kid is going to be inserting herself where she is going to whine about inserting herself in 10 years? i had a tumultuous life. you don’t see me making a grandiose fool of myself online in front of a camera for attention telling bizarre stories & hopping on every lap with a little change to spare i can. let’s keep the “predator” & “r*pist” allegations where they fit, where the context genuinely aligns with the accusations. call him creepy sure. call him stupid absolutely. you people are insane though, & doing a genuine disservice to everyone that’s genuinely faced violence or actually been led or backed into an uncomfortable position. being young & naive & getting yourself somewhere does not equate to being lured & preyed in on. unless you were a fly on the wall, STFU. go advocate for someone that actually needs justice. go advocate for people that actually face brutality, & never face justice when their real life predators & perpetrators get to walk freely, actually hurting people & interacting with the real world & being set off on innocent people; not cooped up at home with a wife & newborn & career.
Creeps taking advantage of the perfect victims. I was 15, no validation from my father, feeling trapped in my home, wanting to be someone and somewhere else. The creep gave me attention and validation, gifts and trips etc. I didnt understand then what much more valuable I lost and he gained through this. Fathers of thr world please, give your daughters a sence of self worth and standards and please do not turn a blind eye.
Why are you saying cody had more responsibility than her parents?
*insert meme of D'Angelo Wallace as the grim reaper knocking on doors*
Honestly if D'Angelo or Hbomberguy make a video about you...be very very afraid.
@@frankiemillcarek6976Coffeezilla too. Just need to think of a fourth so they’re the Four Horsemen of Online Exposure (or some other catchy name)
I've never watched Coffeezilla, are they as intensely well researched?
@@frankiemillcarek6976 Oh definitely. I really, really recommend him if you like journalism specifically in the area of financial scams.
@@frankiemillcarek6976I mean he’s like private detective levels of research
I remember when Gabbie Hanna first exposed what happened on an episode of her podcast and nobody took it seriously because of who said it
Ya know, from what I know about Gabbie Hanna, she’s actually an awful person. But I do believe she holds people to a standard she doesn’t hold herself. And I think she has genuine conviction for some things that are wrong and I think despite all the terrible things she’s done she will do the right thing if it’s easy for her. Informing him she was underage was very easy for her. And I believe both of them.
Gabbie is a narcissist, not a predator. And a narcissist usually has a savior complex. Like she looked good for doing something good. That is 100% in tune with everything else about her. It’s ridiculous to not believe her
Reminds me of Courtney Love casually denouncing Harvey Weinstein on the red carpet years before the #MeToo events. There's just something about unstable women standing up for other women!
Nobody should take Gabbie seriously as she notoriously lies anyways
@@YankeeRebel1348 yeah, but I think that bad people can have morals. And a narcissist like herself, is going to absolutely “do the right thing” at least sometimes because this helps keep herself and everyone else in the illusion that she’s not a completely rotten person. It makes this story actually more believable
Why can't public figures just be normal!? Seriously like how hard is it to just not be creepy towards kids!
i think it’s a bigger issue with society as a whole tbh, and people aren’t supposed to have this much power, i think it fucks with their heads. i don’t think that’s the only reason why public figures do weird shit like this, but it’s part of it for sure. also how society is obsessed with youth and not ageing
@@hamsackk I think it's at least partly having to do with people who usually want to do something in the entertainment industry, whether online or more mainstream like tv and movies whatever, have a lot of personality issues. Many love the attention and all the perks they get as they become more and more known to the world and like you said that can get to their heads. People like that have no business "getting and getting" when they're not all the way right within themselves, just gonna make things worse. People with a dysfunctional history can make the best entertainers but can do some pretty effed up things behind closed doors. Humanity is wild.
its not just the fame its the money. once people feel theyre no longer member of the working class they realize the lives rich people live are truely on a whole nother reality than the rest of us. we cant even imagine the type of evil rich people get up to, enabled by their extreme wealth
It’s a control thing. People let it get to their heads and just keep pushing the goalposts, when they get to a certain age and they can’t control people their own age, they move down to the more vulnerable people. Lots of times It’s sick people who like power.
1. Public figures almost by their own natures are not normal people - most of us will never understand what it's like having a high level of success/fame/wealth/power.
2. The reason a lot of public figures end up getting involved with minors is imo cause most of their fanbases are children - like the kind of fans who really adore them and prop up the image the content creator is trying to cultivate - they find extreme validation from these fans, and the kind of people who want to be online famous are the kind of people desperate to feel validated/loved/popular.
I’ve seen too many people arguing that Tana was close enough to 18 that it doesn’t make a difference, but dude, we aren’t playing darts. The age of consent is not a target for you to hit. You don’t win because her age was “close enough”. She was not an adult and it was not appropriate for him to take advantage of his influence to sleep with her.
As someone who is the same age as Cody was when it happened, it’s horrific thinking about sleeping with a 17 year old. They act like children because they are children. They do not have anywhere close to the same life experience as a 25 year old so there is inevitably naivety there that shouldn’t be taken advantage of.
He was the adult, he should have done better. It’s not hard to not sleep with a 17 year old.
There was also a huge power imbalance, with her being a fan.
it kinda does make a difference, she's not magically a different person a couple months later, still looks the same, acts the same but the main issue is that he was 25! Not 19 or 20 (and a dumb kid himself).. He should have known better
your last line is very true, especially when he was rich & successful
Yeah, just wait a few weeks and watch them on OF like normal people 🙄
Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
I said it in the comments of D'Angelo's video, and I'll paraphrase it here.
I am a 25 y/o man. 17-year-olds are not my peers. They're gangly kids who need their parents' permission to hang out with friends on a school night. They're the high schoolers I tutor. They're my youngest cousin, who's just starting to fully grasp that there's a whole world of people outside the friends he grew up with. They can't vote, they can't drink, and many of them can't drive. They have So. Much. Growing left to do.
The difference between me and them, in terms of brain development and life experience, is absolutely staggering. That difference stacks so much power in my favor that it sickens me. To pursue someone sexually with that level of power over them is predatory, full stop. And if you're also a minor celebrity they already look up to? Fucking forget about it.
I hate when people use these situations to nitpick over age of consent shenanigans (i.e. "she was basically 18!"), when the literal number of years someone's been alive is not the actual problem. The problem is the difference in power, and it's why I as a 25-year-old man absolutely cannot see myself being attracted to someone more than 3-ish years younger than me. Even undergrad college students feel like starry-eyed kids to me now. I don't think there's any justifying Cody's behavior.
Reading your reply, I felt an odd sense of relief. As someone who is currently 18 going on 19, I feel like people expect people in the 17-19 age range to automatically know everything. And that they need to hurry and become an adult or they will be shamed by society. We don’t know, I barely applied for my first job, and I was so terrified to drive that I’ve only started trying to learn last year.
People my age are still prone to being targets because they don’t know or weren’t taught. And everyone is raised differently while experiencing different experiences. But the fact is that we are barely entering the adult world, and we seek guidance. And that causes some to take advantage of that. Especially those with a large influence or power.
So thank you for your sense of understanding, that we are indeed still children that are trying to learn, and being a person who provides the help and guidance to those who need it.
As Hbomber once said, if you're caught for [something] once, you're bound to have done it multiple times.
You know that speculation and creating doubt in the media is just as powerful as facts right? Otherwise you need to shut it
Well in a purely philosophical sense that is not a very valid argument at all, especially given the fact that skill comes with practice so statistically, one would be most likely to mess up and get caught the first time they try.
I get the point though, just couldn't resist.
@JackBerringer-ig1ct whats youre issue with hbomb
@@JacobSW.That's not what they're saying....not referring to aptitude or skill learn to be pragmatic
@@maartjegoede9330 bruh we're at at least 2 minors now so maybe find a new idol
Im so glad you mention Angelika's video! Everyone has been talking about how D'Angelo brought this all to light, and it always bothered me that no one gave Angelika props for making that video back then before there was pressure to speak out about cody ko.
angelika has jumped to conclusions on many dramas/accusations before. its not a shock she wasnt taken as a good reliable source. shes not exactly a good person to get your accurate information from, and im kinda surprised shes been able to just... move on from her own drama, like im glad she did talk about it but... like... shes not trustworthy to use as a good source and i dont doubt her video being taken that seriously
Was looking for this! So many women spoke on this and Angelika had the some great comments on that video. People knew about this and chose to forget
@@Nari-7022that may be true but when she links to videos where tana says it with her own mouth- there’s not much room for doubt.
I watched that video back when she released it so when it all blew up recently i was like yeah ive known abt this for years, cant believe it took this long for everyone else to find out but im glad hes finally been exposed
@jennifervasquez Yeah same i remember seeing the video in 2021 and telling myself to not watch cody anymore... crazy that it took 3 years for it to blow up. It even got to the point that i forgot why i stopped watching him but knew that there was a serious reason.
Once a frat boy always a frat boy. :(
She was sexualized and sexually exploited so much that this one incident doesn't feel traumatic to her 8 years later. So many people are taking that as an excuse to say it doesn't matter.
This!!! It’s honestly so sad.
What he did was wrong, but you trying to project your emotions onto reality is also crazy.
I’m 25 and honestly the thought of dating someone 21 would be weird. But someone young enough to be in high school… that’s horrifying. The older I get, the more disgusted I get with the ‘she looked over 18’. No. Everyone who is a teenager looks like a teenager. Full stop.
Hell, most teenagers look like freaking babies to me, now. It's horrifying that I had a friend who at 19 was dating a 43yo. I know it's not a crime, but the different phases of life were super creepy.
Right?? The difference between 17 and 18 is solely a legal one. Dating someone who turned 18 a few days ago isn't illegal, but it's just as much of a power imbalance.
Yes, and if they don’t , Fowler whatever reason, once they open their mouths you can TELL they’re teenagers , full stop 😅
I'm 25 and would happily date a 21 year old lmao, there's no blueprint for all 21 year olds, they're adults and all people in their 20s are at different stages, for example I still live with my parents whilst I save
also Look up Luke littler, your last sentence isn't always true lol...likewise some girls in their 20s look like tiny teenagers still :(
So glad to see Tana’s age addressed. So many people are arguing about her age and even if they know she was 17, they argue about the morality of “well, it’s two months before 18….” which is just. ugh. no.
and even if she was 18, it would make cody a CREEP at best. every one arguing over the age of consent imo is exposing themselves.
@@pinguufuuuuof course! Nobody who knows the age of consent or romeo & juliet laws, especially in several countries/regions, is a trustworthy person.
and apparently she had JUST turned 17 when she and cody slept together, which is so gross to think about
It's still 17, she STILL can't legally drink! Like... omfg.
Even if Tana was 18, Cody is still a predator and creep AT BEST. Anyone trying to use the “well she was almost 18” defense, are defending a predator and they’re defending disgusting behavior.
As someone who's experienced something similar to Tana, in terms of having to grow up far too early, it definitely rings true.
You do things you think you understand, and it's fine in the moment, but in retrospect... what kind of adult allows that to happen... disgusting..
Yeah man… I remember when I discovered that Demi Levato had dated Wilmer Valderrama when he was like 29? And she was 17, 16? she wrote a whole song reflecting back once she turned the same as he was when they started dating… Insane, dude. Literally like how can you do that as an adult ?!?
The kind of adult that apparently likes to hang out with teens well after his college years, apparently.
Same. I can't help but feel sad for that kid I once was. Now that I am the age of the person, it really makes me understand exactly what happened and it finally clicks. I recently had the person reach out to me, and I just deleted and blocked them. But part of me wants justice even though it was 13 years ago. I had dropped it but hearing from them created so many weird emotions I hadn't been expecting.
And here I was, thinking I knew what I was doing trusting someone so much older. How could anyone anticipate any of it?
Yeah, it's really wild when you grow up and realize all the stuff that you thought was okay actually wasn't, because when you grow up fast you feel like you're an adult. But then you actually become an adult and realize how messed up the situation was
Kik messenger rps, man. Gets you every time as a kid 🥴🥴
IMO - If it happened to Tana - it happened to others. You cannot tell me based on the evidence we can see that Cody just thought Tana was the one exception. That’s what’s sickening & sad.
There have been 2 other girls before Tana
For sure
He had another 17 year old girlfriend…. So yeah it’s happened multiple times
I will definitely admit I haven’t kept too up to date with this story, only because it’s triggering for me. I was under the impression that Tana was the only one who has spoken out. I do apologize
Yeah… 😢 I had tried to explain to a friend dating someone 20 years older than her recently that regardless of how cool she is and how cool I think she is, there are women in their 40s with her personality and her vibes and her coolness. He’s not with someone in their 20s for their personality. I hope I got through to her at all bc she still thinks she’s in control of that relationship, that she’s the one who started it, and that it’s not disgusting. Like, there’s no reason someone who has only ever experienced your generation as children compared to theirs, based on who the comparative kid is, that is good enough to violate that barrier. He could have been her friend, her mentor, her paternal figure. I wish I knew how to make her take seriously that she can want the relationship to be carnal all she likes, but someone 20 years older who’s existed double her entire lifetime reciprocating that carnal aspect is deeply disturbing
Don't like Tana. Don't like Cody. Disgusted by what he did. Feel really bad for her.
It's that simple, folks.
exactly. if someone only cares about victims they like, they dont actually care about victims
Don’t Like Tana. Dont Favor Anyone. I Do Not Care. I Do Not Know What Happened. I Was Not A Fly On The Wall. Neither Were You. Will Either Of Us Actually Be Affected By The Truth?
@@frosty_teacupit’s actually as simple as “ we do not know the full & whole truth, nor was this a crime & it’s only immoral because there’s a spotlight & a crowd “
do you have the balls to say this to the people you know? let’s worry about what’s close to home. what will actually trickle down & have affect on you & the world.
@@waner17 have the balls to say what 😭 that victims matter regardless of who they are? thats not that crazy of a thing to say and i actually have said this to people i know irl!! grow up and stop denying the truth right in front of you eyes.
I'll always prefer to apologize for thinking someone's a rapist than apologizing to someone for not believing they were raped. I don't like Tana, but of course I'll believe her.
Same. As "cruel" as it may sound, I'd much rather believe everybody who comes out with an accusations than believe nobody. The statistics and history is there, easy to find on the internet, I would never value that 1% false accusations over the 99% true, especially with how disrespected the outspoken victims are and mocked the fearful ones are, being told at any time that its "too late".
100% same
This can be hugely damaging to people. Public example, the kwite situation. Private example, two minors consenually hooked up, both too young to understand anything, girl didnt like it and thought if it wasnt enjoyable and i regret it it must be r4pe/assault. Boy became depressed and sewerslidal because he became known around school as a r4pist. I dont mean to use these to invalidate this or any other allegations, just please be careful of what bandwagons you jump on because allegations can be used as a weapon to inflict damage onto victims (the kwite situation) and even when they arent, without both sides or a detailed understanding of the situation you can absolutely destroy the lives of innocent people
@@kyleselby3196stop strawmanning
@@kyleselby3196also you think being innocent and called a rapist is worse than BEING RAPED and not believed?????????
even if Tana was freshly 18, that only makes it legal, not morally right. People being pedantic about legality when its really that Cody has immoral hypocrisy when it comes to sexual predatory behavior is the problem.
Personally I dont think legal adulthood should be until 20/21. 18 and 17 dont make a difference.
I flirted with a 28 year old when I was 17 and as soon as he found out I was 17 he ghosted me, as he SHOULD have. I was 1 month out from 18 and he knew that. Because it doesnt matter about the legality, it was immoral and predatory for him to continue pursuing me once he learned that.
This is such cap 17 is old enough to
Make dating and sexual decisions.
@@Jon-rr6ll not when the other party is a well-established adult with a career, paying their own bills, and having a massive internet-following 🥴
@@Jon-rr6ll When i was 17, i was pretty stupid and childish. Kids at that age aren't matured fully in terms of emotional, mental, decision-making development. They are still dependent, easy to manipulate. That's why no one should prey on that ages to 17-19. The consent should be at 21.
PREAAACH. I’ve been saying we should up the age of consent!! If our brains are only fully developed at 25, why are we letting 18 year olds be able to be pursued by older people (and vote and stuff). We’re not allowed to legally drink until 21, rightfully so, and adding in that they’re a legal adult at that time is fitting. I think 18 to 21 should be considered “pre-adult” similar to how 10-12 is considered preteen and neither child or teenager, and not “young adult”.
Anyone who’s upset about that idea is probably a creep anyway, coming from a 21 year old.
@@Jon-rr6ll You're telling on yourself here bud.
Truly enjoying your Obi-Wan "hello there" intro these days
Agreed
this whole situation is so upsetting, it feels like once someone hits a certain amount of popularity it gets to their head and they think they cant get caught for anything
edit: in a way cody ko really wont get caught in the sense that he wont get punished, he wont go to jail or anything. The worst that can happen is he loses a couple thousand followers, however at the end of the day he'll still have a good nights sleep and a full belly
He was doing this at 25, it definitely hits quickly
It reminds me of Colleen in a way, they expect their victims to not come out and know their fans will defend them
@@chadfromsleepingbeauty exactly, i assume they expect their victims to not come out with what happened bc "i'm famous and youre a nobody" or something of the sort
@GHOSTSTARSCREAM theres also no actual evidence that anything illegal happened
@GHOSTSTARSCREAM for us there is more than enough evidence, legally though, (since if these allegations are true it would be a crime) that would be circumstantial evidence
Yoo you put D'Angelo in here, thats so awesome! I love him too. AND FILM COOPER?! iNabber you gotta stop im not even through the intro and I'm happy.
Love both their channels
@@iNabber Yess, I'm so glad to see my fav youtubers supporting each other. Glad to hear it. Have a good day and take care of yourself. :)
literally first thing i thought and i was like FILM COOPER
I didn't even he know he liked film cooper
See, personally I love D’Angelo but the performative Film Cooper (alias Marsha P. Johnson) isn’t my favorite
Whenever someone tries to defend behavior like this I always like to reference S2:E11 of Bojack Horseman (spoilers, obviously):
In this episode, Bojack almost sleeps with a 17 year old girl but gets caught. The show makes it very clear that even though nothing happened, and even if something did happen, it wouldn’t have been illegal (the incident happened in New Mexico where the age of consent is 17, both parties were fully consenting and sober), but it’s still a horrible, disgusting thing. Bojack feels immense guilt - not that feeling guilty makes it ok - and characters continue chastise him for years. The issue is due to a massive power imbalance between an older celebrity and a girl too young to have the life experience required to fully understand the repercussions. Just because you like Cody Ko (I did too) does not make this at all acceptable.
😂good god when will the projections end.
if tanner wants to come forward, let her. like we all agreed tho, not a crime. what is he supposed to do about it? roll over & die because she chose to enter that scene when she was technically a little girl but didn’t want to act like it? half of you wouldn’t even exist if the world was so moral & just as you wish. is that truly the world you want? you’re saying every life that’s ever come from a love you deem unfit is unworthy?
@@waner17this sounds like the projection you speak of. i don’t know your own experiences, but discrediting a person’s trauma and SA is deplorable. whatever point you want to prove, you’ve only shown you have no regard for this victim or sensitivity toward this matter and i pity you. you can hold space for others while acknowledging nuance in your own experiences and worldview
@@waner17baby it is a crime,, in orlando where the crime in question took place, the age of consent is 18. Tanna was 17, this making it a crime. but even if it wasn’t a crime, how are you gonna blame a young girl for a grown man’s choices? tana being 17 means legally she was not able to consent. also, tana DID come forward did you even watch the damn video?
@waner17 essentially your logic is "you think rape isn't okay therefore you think babies that are the product of rape shouldn't exist! Not everyone can follow your high morals of not raping people" listen to yourself. Your opinion is disgusting and you need to rethink.
Yeah I haven’t seen the full show but did t he do it twice? One with a friends daughter and another w a girl who he knew since she was like a child (Sarah Lynn? Idk her dad was a bear an an abuser and she died or something maybe?? But like bojack did it so many times)
I haven’t seen many people mention this, but the ages are 17 and 25. And those can be the ages of a high school senior and their teacher. I had a student teacher who was 22 when I was 17. So it makes me think, how would people feel about it then; if Tana was a student and Cody was her teacher. Would the conversation be the same? Would people still say “oh it was Tana what did she say/do/wear?”.
To me I think it’s very telling how many people claim that because Tana was a “party girl” it wasn’t that bad. But to me it can feel worse in this case. Why is a 25 year old hanging around younger “party girls”. I know many kids start their partying era around 17/18 especially in Canada. But idk it feels very gross to me to have a grown adult encourage a teenager to begin their party era of life at such a vulnerable age.
Anyways just my 2 cents on this.
Even with that - I'm a 21 year old college girl. I see freshman boys and I can tell they are too young, even with such a minimal age gap. The personality differences between above 21 and below 21 is crazy, and I haven't even reached my mid 20s yet and everyone says there's a second puberty to look forward to.
That’s kinda the thing a lot of these people who say “17 is basically 18, what’s the big deal,” is that 18 is still SO young… yeah, sure, they might be a legal adult, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t creepy for much older people to be wanting to sleep with them.
it also exposes a misogynistic view of women in america in general. they only care about a certain type
@@skgray15 Absolutely! Even before graduating this summer, any time I had to interact with 18-19 year olds on campus they seemed so immature. nothing against them, but we do not want the same things AT ALL
This. I got hit on by students when I first started teaching, and the ick factor was huge. I started teaching when I was 23. That age gap wasn't huge in numbers, but the power imbalance was. I can't imagine someone a couple years older than me looking at a child and thinking that hooking up with them is okay.
The fact Gabbie Hannah had said something to him about Tana being 17 and then he went and committed the crime anyway with full knowledge and intent
Thats what people keep ignoring. He pretended to care when he was told its illegal, he doesnt care.
They had probably already slept together before that is my guess. That’s why he acted surprised but didn’t actually care - the deed had already been done
@@jammastrjessand then he did it again that same night
There's no point in talking with you people. The world isn't Black & White. & your inability to see gray is pathetic.
@@TJNeeseI don’t care I’m on goddamn LSD, if someone tells me they’re underage, my brain will still understand they’re underage. Nobody is denying he was drunk. But being drunk doesn’t make you innocent of murder, violent assault, driving under the influence or SLEEPING WITH A MINOR. Him being drunk isn’t f¥cking relevant to him sleeping with a minor. Focus on the topic at hand.
I will say, out of all of this shittiness, I am glad that we now live in a time period where someone can say "I was 17 (or 16, 18, 19, etc. just... *teen* ) and got with someone who was 25 - 26(+)" and people will now actually say, yeah that's gross and not okay. Because it really is not okay. That sort of thing for so long has been so normalised like, "oh they just like older men/women" not "that adult hooking up with teens is a fucking creep"
I "dated" someone who was 26 when I was 17, so I can speak from direct experience when I say any adult willing to get with anyone who has the -teen suffix on their age, is fucking gross. I'm glad this is a more common realisation now. Trust me, especially to any young girls out there: hooking up with older guys is not the flex you want it to be, you are being taken advantage of. Please get away from those people; they will not show you respect, love, or care.
Addendum to add: for me, an adult is someone who is fully grown and developed. 18 is legal drinking age in my country, but I personally don't think I could get with and/or date anyone under 25, which is the age that our brains finish developing. I'm 27, and I can't fathom how anyone 25+ can just be down for *any* age with "teen" in it. People get weird about 18 and 19 but I dunno, I hear "teen" and immediately my brain just says, "that's a child"
This is someone who has not had the life experience to understand the full context of adulthood and predation. This is someone who, even if they've been sexually active before that age, still doesn't truly have a grasp on what a healthy adult relationship be it romantic or just intimate, should be. I can't see anyone with "teen" still in their age as another adult equal to myself and I'm not sorry for saying that, nor do I understand (or want to involve myself with) other fully-grown adults who look at anyone under 20 as a potential bang and/or partner
@@GrimFelArtliterally incredibly valid and based lol. I'm an older teen myself and i can only imagine just how much I'll learn/change at 21-25, and so on. Even as a lil kid the thought of 18 suddenly being okay but 17/16/15 is ""jailbait"" was so creepy to me. Honestly, i wish the age of consent all over the world could be raised to at the very least 21, just so i can see how many people flip out.
As if that'll stop them, gross. Some people aren't even ""decent"" enough to wait, as disgusting as it is, for "barely legal". Teens really have been far too sexualized for what we are, and changing the terms from highschool girl to college teen in certain spaces means nothing.
@@Vesperad0 I'm glad you have sense, it's great to see. Same, even in my teens the whole "jailbait" thing icked me. Thankfully for me for the most part, growing up (and now) I was considered "ugly" so have usually been invisible to creepos. But some of em really will just go for anyone or anything that will tolerate them 🤢 I was desperate enough to do so because I craved the feeling of being desirable, but of course it was all manipulation.
1000% agree that legal age for consent should be raised everywhere and it's baffling to me that that's a controversial/unpopular opinion
Like I think about myself when I was 19 and I was a fuckin idiot lol I didn't know who I was, what I wanted, what real relationships looked like. I was still figuring out my gender identity and sexuality ffs I was definitely not an adult 😆
Absolutely, teens are so so overly sexualised, to the point that they rush into big decisions that they don't understand the full gravity and context of. Like, when I was 14 and my first bf in highschool was 17 I was convinced we'd end up married when I was 18 lol. Sure, some teenagers can be more articulate and sensible, but the life experience just isn't there. And that's not any kind of shade, just fact. Wish kids could just be kids
@@Vesperad0 And that stellar specimen of a human I was preyed on by, after dumping me via text when he'd gotten what he wanted, was spotted the week after with a 15y/o
A true charmer, clearly 😆 I wish I could tell teen me "you're looking for validation after a lifetime of being ridiculed, and he knows and is taking advantage of that vulnerability"
@kiamckenz And it's SO normalised!! Like, look at the movie/comic Scott Pilgrim VS The World, for example. Literally the b-plot is the main, mid-20s character is/was dating a teen girl who thinks she's in love with him and it's played up for laughs, not as "this guy is a fucking creep." It's played up for eye-rolls and giggles, a silly obstacle of a dumb obsessed girl, not any kind of real commentary. And that's just 1 of absolutely innumerable examples. Not to mention teachers and students, especially the double-standard around female teachers assaulting and preying on male students it's just....urgh if I were to really start going we'd be here for an entire thesis-length write-up lmao I'm glad people are finally finally starting to push back against it. It's a minority, but we're fucking here and we're not going anywhere.
This topic is huge for me personally. End of 2023 I confronted my abuser (22yo bf, I was 15) through a lawyer. I got an appology and compensation. I can now close that chapter, but he will owe me forever. Teenagers can think that they are grown and creepy adults take advantage of it. Only now at 33 I was able to see and express what this whole situation was and how it affected my life. Im really glad that the internet is talking about this topic!
Off topic, but what a world we live in where Tana Mongeau and Trisha Paytas turned out to be better humans than Colleen Ballenger...
Let's not get crazy, Trisha still cosplayed a dead child and monetized it. She's grown a lot but she's done some pretty messed up stuff too and it's important to remember that before generalizing
@@cholesteroyal Trisha did not use children for free labor (even if it was "only" social media). So yes, she's done bad, but still better than Colleen. 🤷♀️
What a world we live in where people with access to the internet can't wrap their heads around the concept of the presumption of innocence
yeah i, as a normal person, would not want to maintain a friendship with a KNOWN predator unless i, too, am a predator lmfao
Wait what, did I miss the trial?
it feels so deeply uncomfortable that this was a man I used to really like and watch often. It's weirdly commonplace for UA-camrs to be exposed as freaks and predators but this is the first time I can really recall where it was someone I was personally a fan of who was called out for preying on a minor
I got an off-feeling when he covered Girl Defined. The two of them obviously spread a lot of misogynistic and hateful ideas and deserve to be criticised, but he didn't bring any of that up... just made fun of the way they speak and look. It wasn't nearly enough to be an indictment of his character, but it did leave a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. Now with everything we know it adds up to an unpleasant character
I felt that away about the “That’s cringe” episode with Skippy. I made a comment on how Cody seemed like a frat boy womanizer a few years back but I got hate and I felt bad so I deleted it. But I never went back to that video until recently and the signs were there. The way that he objectifies those women and even Noel seemed irritated by it spoke volumes.
Same. I watched a few of his videos once because the algorithm suggested it, and he and a friend were playing that phone game Episodes, you know the one?
Now there is a lot of ways to make fun of that app, watching a play through of one of the stories can be pretty fun if the UA-camr is fun. But their whole entire one joke for the video was “hehehe we made our character a lesbian hehehehe she’s gonna do lesbian stuff hehehehe I hope we get to watch lesbian sex” and okay so the humor here is middle school boy. Got it. Goodbye 👋🏻
I honestly never understood how Cody Ko was so popular when there are just… better commentator channels out there??
OMG I’m so glad someone said something about this?!?! I remember that video coming out, and feeling really uncomfortable abt it too! exactly cuz of your points!! And I remember everyone enjoying it n I was like ?? Guess I’m the one in the wrong lol… anyway grateful u said something cuz i completely forgot all of that lol
I remember his vines being rather distasteful towards women his age or younger - that's why as a kid I never followed him on vine cos I got bad vibes but on youtube he seemed fine since I rediscovered him in 2021
Just leaving this here for anyone who comes across it, Bethany and Dav of Girl Defined are dealing with deconstruction and mixed-faith marriage right now. The channel Zelph on the Shelf covers it, and they actually have a sit-down and listen to Bethany talk about how criticism did and didn't affect her - I think that's pertinent to the original comment, so I'm sharing this!
33:54 “You can be friends with somebody for years and that person can turn out to be an absolutely horrific garbage piece of sh*t 💩” massive sigh 😮💨 Damn you just know this man is still crushed knowing he associated with and was a somewhat “friend” with Alex. I know the video is about Cody but damn you could just feel that.
Yeah, I felt that sigh in my soul.
Me too. He needed that little rant, but the sigh spoke volumes
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Funny how you never see 25yr old men with 17yr old male friends. Cos why would they want to hang out with a child.....?
You should get out of your house more, I see people of all ages being friends and hang out lol
@@jessegiroux6521 30yo with 20yo yes, 25yo with 17yo, no, I too have never seen that unless they were related
@@sianmilne4879 Well then I guess you should get out more too lol. Just last week I saw a 27yo and a 17yo hang out.
He really emphasizing that 2019 was 5 years ago. I'm old as hell
I do find it fascinating that the girlies HAD been speaking about this, Angelika Oles, TeaSpill, etc, but only when a male commentary channel (no hate to D'angelo they're amazing) did more people start talking about Cody...
Literally. Angelika made her video a month ago, DWKT mentioned this months ago when the video came out.
It’s like one male commentator had to make a video so the rest new it was safe and they wouldn’t get backlash 😐
can’t believe he’d been hiding this so well solely due to his influence. thank you for pushing this forward and bringing more to light!!
I honestly don't know if I should be surprised anymore. There have been so many influencers and youtubers exposed to being a horrible person it makes you not trust anyone anymore 😔
I've heard from many sources that the Gabbie Hanna clip was scrubbed from the internet but it's available in a public video from Repzilla 2 years ago called 'Gabbie Hanna Tried To Sell Tana Mongeau's Trauma' it even has the same filter over the clip used in D'Angelos video. This was in a video posted by Coffee and Cults. Imo this all has been swept under the rug quite a few times but seems the information has always been available publicly. D'Angelo as a respected creator did a commendable job bringing this all to light starting a bigger conversation that should of happened years ago.
One thing that's really heartbreaking about this is Tana us fully aware that what happened could have been a traumatic situation. But in her mind she's constantly comparing it to worse situations her conscious mind doesn't even view it as such but that doesn't mean the subconscious isn't affected by it.
Thank you for doing a quick background on Cody Ko. When he was gaining popularity I was forbidden from the Internet and everyone else was like "you know who he is" and no!!! I really really don't! But I do now
i also had no real idea of who he was. I'd heard the name but, no clue otherwise. don't recognise his face either
I literally had the same thing happen to me with a friend group of people, all 25+, when I was 16/17/18. A 30 year old in that group pursued me, and then after he was done, another couple pursued me too.
Then, They made me out to be a toxic ex and used the fact that I was abused and have mental health issues as a result against me. When I finally decided to cut them all off, they said I was “in an echo chamber” because my new chosen family was telling me what they did was bad. They even said it was “cruel” of me to cut them off right before a vacation, making it so they couldn’t enjoy it.
These people are everywhere and as adults we really need to call them out. I’m proud of Gabby. I’m so sorry for Tana.
I'm sorry for you and glad you found good people to take care of you. You were abused and it's super important to recognise it and have people believe you. Take care!
you LITERALLY didn’t! tho! what don’t you people understand! stop projecting your life onto some random woman! go to therapy, honor that little girl within you by seeking your own truth instead of trying to paint it over other peoples’ face! it’s a different scene & place, completely different dynamics than You (Jane Doe) & Joe Shmoe John Doe! & then to mix substances & what not. not to mention, are you flys on the wall?!!? what fly was interviewed here?!? we are making a story on internet rumors. that’s THISGUYS whole entire career! he only has 1M bc the rest of these mouth breathers are so absorbed in celeb life they don’t give a damn that there are actually real people in their communities being predated on, real predators lurking amongst them. but yeah. focus on the guy that has a wife & newborn & who ultimately to your knowledge, stays the fuck home & doesn’t affect you! no crime was committed, *maybe* it was creepy if we dissect it enough but honest to god why do ANY of you care about this?? out of all the women that need support, this liar is it. i’m gonna say it. i just don’t care. i just don’t care what young women CHOSE to talk to an older dude in LA for clout. i just do not. i have PERSONALLY been through worse. like try not actually being able to trust any actual man around you. oooh womp womp tho, tanner here has ragrets from a decade ago all of a sudden in a lull in here dramasphere. ok?
I hope you're doing ok now. Sending love💜
@@BasilissaKleo thank you, and yes, finding the right support group was crucial to even starting the healing process
@@jolly2be thank you! I’m doing much better these days!
Nice to see youre posting again. hope you're doing well Fraser !
this is so gross, he is so gross. i turn 23 in a few days and i cannot fathom dating a teenager, even if they’re 19. that’s just a me thing, bc yes they are a legal adult, but i’m thinking back to when i was 19 and younger. i looked like a kid, and i acted like a kid. most teenagers are the same way. i’ve seen a lot of people defending cody ko bc they don’t like tana. i don’t like tana but that’s ridiculous. there is no such thing as a “perfect victim.” yes, a person can do questionable things and they can also have questionable things done upon them - it’s not mutally exclusive
Yup, just because you dislike a person doesn’t mean you can ignore the things that happened to them.
oh my god THANK YOU for referencing Angelica's coverage of this and pointing out that both she and Tana have been talking about this situation for years!
It's not that people weren't speaking about it. It's that the commentary space is such a boy's club that more often than not female creators' channels are just labelled "tea" channels and aren't viewed seriously. Lots of women have been talking about this, but it's not enough until the major channels that are run by men talk about this. (You can label me as an angry feminist all you want I don't care but in this case that and bc tana isn't "the perfect victim" is the reason this hasn't hit the headlines until now).
Girl you are so right. DWKT, Angelika Oles, a bunch more covered this. Yet only H3 & D’Angelo get the credit?
Glad you gave Angelika a shout out, when you brought up D’Angelo I was gonna bring her up because she actually made a video this year a couple weeks before his and it got overlooked again until after his came out
As someone who didn't know who Cody Ko was before this drama I have to ask... why does he look like off-brand MatPat???
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought this!
Lol thank you I told my friend who watched him a lot this as someone who’d never heard of him and she just judged me
dont drag mr matthew patthew into this 😭😭
Real answer, there is not that many shapes a human face can take.
As someone who is faceblind so many people look the same, people who isn't faceblind just isn't used to seeing people as looking the same.
I for ages was sure fox news had one blond lady working for them based on like the daily show, showing clips from them
I do not see it
You know what's even worse? That 100s of other influencers also take advantage of their younger fans and no one talks about that. We live in a world where so many crimes are just swept under the rug. It's just sad.
One of the worse facts about Cody not responding, is now people who are looking for answers are harassing Kelsey. Cody should acknowledge what he did or say something,and not allow it fall on his wife, who is a recent mother. Wouldn't want a partner who just drop something this awful on me and not take any responsibility.
yes!!! this has been bugging me for so long- like the fact that kelsey has her comments turned off on her social media (at least instagram) but cody doesn't is just so telling of the whole situation. obviously cody isn't responsible for peoples' decision to comment on his wife's posts but like? the fact that even her being harassed hasn't gotten him to say anything is beyond vile. i really hope she's doing okay.
Forget where I heard this but “for a man to be accused, he needs to have never done anything right. For a woman to be believed, she needs to have never done anything wrong.”
Cody Ko has been a predator for years, but nobody has talked about this because he’s a UA-cam Golden Boy and Tana is seen as problematic. It’s good to see people finally taking this seriously. Cody needs to apologize to the people he made victims and he needs to see consequences.
Also Cody is trying to get a US citizenship and he will be rejected if he is charged/admits to a crime. He’s DEF not going to speak on this topic. He’s a coward
Oh wow this makes a lot of sense
As someone who has been 25 before..her being 17 or 18 doesn't make that much of a difference morally. Legally its okay if she would've been 18 but a 25 yo with a 18 yo is just predatory and weird.
There were smaller content creators speaking about this issues before D’Angelo. They were mostly queer and femmes.
Yeah my apologies, i more meant the BIG boys of commentary who were friends with cody
Rachel Oates released a video, and tried to talk about it even earlier than that, but I believe it was immediately demonetized.
@@iNabber what are you apologising for?
@@5uper5kill3rza mild misunderstanding/poor phrasing, I guess?
@@ValDmitGolo just think when you apologise for someone else getting upset over something minor you legitimise them being a whiney baby about something that isn’t that deep
My fave joke about this is
“A second 17 year old just hit the tower” 😆💀
Taylor Swift also did this with several teen boys, including Conor Kennedy. Conor himself she started dating after the death of his mother, when he would've been vulnerable and easy to manipulate. But she's much more wealthy and powerful than Cody Ko, with a rabid fanbase that would destroy anyone who spoke out. She joins the ranks of Ezra Miller, Sam-Taylor Johnson, Drake, and all the others who got away with grooming because they were rich, powerful, and celebrities.
Ive been bring this up for years but swifties always go insane and say that the boys manipulated her
@@tillitillibom3299it irks me bc howww were you manipulated by a teenage boy at *your grown age.* The babying of Taylor Swift is something that makes me irrationally angry
@@sunnflare fr shes also just insanely performative
Honestly more than half of celebrities have publicly dated someone very young with an inappropriate age gap and no one ever calls it out… I cannot for the life of me remember her name but a female commentary creator made an amazing video about it a while back. The video is called something like “The normalization of weird age gaps” or something like that. Could find it if I dug for it but that video makes me wish more of the mainstream media would call this stuff out when it happened.
@@aaronymous9mainstream media is extremely careful about naming victims or perpetrators as it would make prosecution much much harder.
I wish I was surprised by this turn of events, but it just further reinforces that you *don’t* know people just because you enjoy their content.
As just a normal person and not a content creator, I was sexually manipulated by one of my favorite youtubers when I was 18 (legal but way younger than him [who you also have covered]) and I can only imagine being in the same sphere as someone like that and having them show interest in you, especially even younger. It sucks to see how everyone is using Tana's flaws to try to negate the story when there's ample proof of what he's done.
man i’m really sorry you went through that, that’s fucked. i’m 20 and 17/18 is already like no way
as a normal person & someone also feeling the need to trauma dump on people to win over their ideation in favor, it is so insulting to real victims that EVERYONE is projecting onto this lady. everyone. let’s learn to take liars for what they are. if people want to be heard & be believed, they can make honest livings for themselves. not careers enveloped in the drama of their own lies.
what happens when she’s debunked to be a liar? what then? what happens when her ass is handed to her in court? then that hurts everyone. every single comment you’ve posted in support of a liar is not only in support of perps themselves but it helps them step on victims. think twice about who you ‘Back 1000%😻’ & believe every word of.
“Manipulated” lmaooooooooo just say you regretted it and go
@@DashedTheirHeadsOnRocks ew you victim blame ewwwww
I remember YEARS ago hearing about this too, it was immediately swept under the rug as "Tana makes up stories for attention"
It killed me the way Tana described her experience because it hits so close to home. For me, it wasn't until my nieces got toward their teen years that I was like "If grown men approached any of them the way they did me all throughout my teens, I would cut the bastards!" and it was only then that I started to see clearly what happened with me all that time, multiple times, and how screwed up it was that I had adults all around me who were supposed to protect me who were cool with it. I had a very similar life to what Tana described prior to UA-cam with her parents and if I had to guess, she probably had things that were more traumatic, more violent that happened to her (she even said as much on her podcast) which helps a young girl to feel like "This isn't wrong.... this is not trauma....I know trauma!" That makes the situation even harder to see for what it is when you are young. It really makes me mad when I see comments saying something to the effect of 'Tana is fine with it!' It is not on the person who was a minor to decide it's wrong. That is the whole damn point of statutory rape laws. Plus, like she said, like I can also say, when you have had more traumatic experiences happen, it muddies the waters when you look back at it ... until you see it through the eyes of your reaction if that was a young girl close to you once you are grown.
Thank you for just keeping the heat on Cody instead of dragging other friends and creators into this. I feel like one of the ways these scum bags end up evading taking responsibility for what they have done is by people bringing everyone else into it and digging up completely irrelevant things, things that have nothing to do with the serious crime in question, that everyone around them has ever done. This is not about Brittany Broski not speaking out hard enough (she started out a fan before she met him so yeah, this probably sucks for her but more importantly.... she didn't commit statutory rape). It's not about his wife letting Emma Chamberlain hit a damn vape once as a teenager or what his friends knew. The heat needs to be kept on HIM and on what HE has done. Period.
The the whole "Oh she matured quickly because of her circumstances" argument is bollocks. She didn't mature quickly, she had to deal with an adult world as a teenager with no proper preparation for said world. She wasn't mature, she was doing her best. And she was failed by the people around her.
Your Turing into Hamilton with these speedy posts Nabber
I try my best!
inabber posted, THE OTHER 51
Dr. Disrespect, Cody Ko, and Kris Tyson. What is it with famous UA-camrs that can't leave kids alone?
Can't forget Shane Dawson, James Charles, and Colleen Ballinger and her entire team including her sister and now ex husband 🙂 yikes
Who...is Kris Tyson? Do I want to know?
@@fillinggaps1975 a former member of the mr beast crew
Either the power makes people evil. Or evil people seek the power in the first place to get access to their targets.
Either way, the bigger the ego, the less trustworthy is the person.
influencers try not to be exposed for being shitty challenge
b b blair?
Bro no way she’s here
why do you have an account based off illuminaughti while also talking about bad influencers under a video of a guy who exposed her??
@@gIoomykittyit's literally not that deep
@@themischief420 haha i wasnt upset or anything. i was just joking around about the irony of this person's profile and username considering the context of the video, even having illuminaughti mentioned in the video and this guy making a video about her! i'm completely aware this person is a parody of blair. i hope you can better understand my tone now. so sorry about ur mental illnesses btw. clearly they affect your cognitive abilities
I absolutely love your content! The fact you mentioned D'Angelo sent me through roof. You both are spectacular! Beans!
The craziest thing to me is all the people saying “oh, she was 17. It doesn’t matter.”
Why is that crazy?
Cody Ko apologising through a DJ set is up there in terms of cringe and immaturity with Colleen Ballinger apologising with a ukulele song.
The fact they’re both in their 30s as well makes it even worse…
a few of female creators in commentary space, angelika for example, were speaking about it for a long time, discussing the topic. but only when another man (d'angelo) spoke about it, everyone started to talk ☠️
it's honestly depressing
To be fair d’angelo is a bigger creator.
@millipedie yes, of course, but i think creators in commentary space usually check if anything is happening, looking if some shit is happening. or, at least they should. especially in the situations like this, its important to discuss such topics for bigger creators to reach bigger audience. but it seems to me, some people saw some content about it and chose to stay silent, unfortunately. (and some of them maybe genuinely didn't know and it's okay, considering the silence)
@@millipedieTana was bigger than all of them at that time and she spoke about it over a year ago and no one listened.
@@loonastrawberry I definitely hear you with that. It’s a super unfortunate situation, and I think you have a very strong point. Thank you for talking about it.
This is just a huge testament to how people treat women like gabby and tana, both have negative images and yet they both said the same thing years apart and still no one took then seriously until a male youtuber with a good image made a vid...feels really gross to me. I hope people change.. :(
To be clear: Even if it wasn't a crime, even if this happened sonewhere where age of consent is 17, it's still disgusting for a 25 year old to sleep with a teenager. Yes, that includes 18 and 19 year olds, before anybody asks. If you disagree, try to be quick about it. I'd hate for you to be late picking up your girlfriend from middle school.
I'm glad you mentioned Angelica as well as D'Angelo, because a lot of people misses that she also made a vídeo about it earlier
in her words "the age of consent is not a target for you to hit"
Oof. 33:54 it bothers me when people immediately jump to guilty by association, but there is honestly no way you could have known. As someone who has been in Alice’s shoes, I never blamed any of our friends for not stopping the way my partner treated me. Because he didn’t treat me that way in front of people! I’m sorry for people immediately jumping to conclusions, and I’m sorry that you had to lose a friend that way
As far as the Cody Ko situation, I’m amazed that there is still dirt to be dug up on this guy! Kudos to the amazing research you’ve put in, I always appreciate the effort you put into your videos
Love how you can recognize Tana's flaws while still upholding the integrity of her horrific experience with this guy. Handled incredibly well! 51:21
HOW HAS THIS NOT EVEN BEEN UP A FULL MINUTE AND THERE ARE SO MANY COMMENTS?!?
i find it really funny that he uses "Sorry", a particularly sexual song, to respond to predatory allegations
At this point, I feel like there should be a paper about how allegations like these only gain traction 7-8 years after. There have been SO MANY examples (not just w/ UA-cam, celebrities, politicians as well) where there was no traction the first time and only did the second time around. Could be due to victims aging up and acknowledging in adulthood that what happened was fucked up, but I've seen it happen even with adults
There's something so disturbing about the clips of tana when she was younger. She looks like a child. I always hear people say "they look older" when they literally never do.
iNabber is essentially lady whistledown at this point and I love it
“Dearest Gentlereader” 🤝 “Hello there”
Even if Tana was 18, its still creepy and weird. What does a 25 man want or need from a barely not-child?
The only reason it's "creepy and weird" is because you decided it was lol
I've noticed that no one is mentioning JC Caylen who is currently 31 and she also mentioned him while hooking up at 17
And his relationship and Lia Marie Johnson when she was a minor …
When you said “short form videos” I nearly had a heart attack and checked the time stamp. My relief when it was almost an hour long lmao. I came here for my long form content of iNabber, damnit!
Thanks for making the video, been wanting you to cover the situation.
I remember the videos of him with that little girl on vine! My kids were watching him and it was the young girl in the front seat and I believe Cody was in the back seat and the guy driving was questioning about whether or not the two of them were dating and she looked extremely uncomfortable and I forgot what else happened in that clip. I remember having a talk with my daughter's about that and told them that that was highly inappropriate and that anybody above the age of 18 was off limits. I had a really long conversation with both of them that nothing good comes from somebody in their twenties wanting to be friends with somebody under the age of 18. I explained to them that trauma comes out of that not friendship!
We are here to watch the video while we game, work, exercise, and more.
I’m so happy we’re finally talking about this because his and Noel’s misogyny has been irking me and making me uncomfortable for so long.
what did noel do??
😂
@@waner17 huh
FINALLY someone adding to the situation and doing their own deep diving instead of baiting the audience with a catchy title and then regurgitating everything that's already been said
Assuming Tana is being sincere, her protectiveness and empathy for girls that have been or are liable to be taken advantage of makes me respect her more because there are tons of victims in her position that turn around and go “Well it’s your turn now. I went through it, so you should too”.
This makes me sick, I was in a relationship at the age of 15 with a 21 year old and though I ended it because he was controlling and toxic. Said things like “I had to keep him interested so he didn’t cheat.” I also had to stand at my school gates on break times so he could see me, I didn’t realise how messed up it was until I was 25 and thought, there is no way I’d date a 15 year old. Just sucks it took so long for me to gain perspective, otherwise I’d have pressed charges. I am glad that now when people speak up they are listened to, pedophiles are often painted as old men but they are any age.
I was in the exact same situation as you, it's so creepy looking back as an adult. Hope you're doing well!
Love the Nikacado board in the background of the video. 😂😂😂 Im so excited.
One of my Rules of the Internet: If Trisha Paytas steps back and Patricia comes out, the matter is both extremely serious and extremely current. Trisha will joke about serious things when she believes that they have been resolved (I don't think she realises how much time the wounds need to heal). By her treatment of the matter, Trisha is making clear that she thinks this man is still a danger.
First time I've been heartbroken about someone being outted. I've been watching Cody Ko since he first started his channel.
Thank you so much for talking about Angelika, she’s honestly the one who blew the doors wide open on this story and everyone gives credit to D’angelo cause he’s bigger and it makes me happy to finally hear someone give her credit lol
What’s wild is that I unsubscribed from Cody after watching Angelica’s video years ago- then forgot why I unsubscribed, but remembered I didn’t like him anymore. Only to be reminded why once this drama came out more recently.
Also why is no one talking about JC Caylen when Tana specifically said “shout out Cody Ko and JC Caylen”-I feel like I’m going crazy.
as a 23 almost 24 yr old woman i can’t wrap my head around what would be so alluring about a 17 yr old… but i’m also not a creep so
I'm so happy you mentioned Angelika. I've been watching her for years and I was screaming when everyone acted like NO ONE mentioned it.
I’ve been a Cody fan for quite some time. He was one of my comfort UA-camrs when life got too shitty. This whole situation is so disturbing and it’s been genuinely heartbreaking. I’m a victim of SA both through “family” and unfortunately an old classmate of mine as well. No one believed me in either situation, and I can confidently say: not being believed is the worst feeling there is. I’m beyond saddened by how people have treated Tana over this. She’s 100% in the right for having the actual courage to speak about it. I just wish I could give her a big hug. For anyone reading this who’s gone/going through something similar, remember that your feelings are valid. You matter, and deserve to be believed and comforted. And lastly and most importantly, you are not alone. ❤️
I recently watched a review on 'the boys' yes its insanely gross but they pointed out the social commentary on how much ppl with power get away with anything. Famous athletes, politians and famous ppl in general. As much as I think it's awful to prey on teenagers which will catch up to you. I remember back in the day with certain footballers, the amount of accusations they got and nothing really ever got done about it. If Cody actually gets away with this I'll lose my faith in humanity.
If you are this disheartened by something a UA-camr did, you're REALLY going to hate it when you hear what someone who actually got elected president did.. 😂
Not saying any of it was okay, but why are you just losing faith now when powerful men have been getting away with this exact thing since forever? America literally elected a known r@pist to be president.
I’m 27 and when I think of my 16 year old cousin getting with somebody around my age I feel sick…she is so small and still in high school 🥲
Another reason Cody may have to stay silent is it could put his immigration status in jeopardy. Cody is Canadian and apparently is in the process of getting a green card. I’m not a lawyer but I’m pretty sure statutory r*pe would be a pretty good reason to deport someone.
I forgot my playback speed was set to 1.50x… that was a terrifying first couple seconds. I thought I was finally having one of those flashbacks they used to “warn” us about…😵💫