The way to win with people like Matsson is to not be scared of them. And I loved how each sibling had what the other lacked. Great writing. Fearless Roman. Intelligent Ken. Disciplined Shiv.
Roman’s look at 2:22… he’s so pissed. I’m glad he actually spoke his mind for once instead of hiding behind jokes and sarcasm. That was cathartic to me as a viewer, it must have felt even more so for the character.
Also, this is the first time we see Roman is so pissed while negotiating. Usually, if he's negotiating, he's calm, friendly and even joke around until he slowly tell the numbers. But in this case, he's pissed, still grieving of his dead father and shows no remorse. Roman is usually good at negotiating while Kendall won't let anyone to speak and rap like he's Eminem while Shiv is being too direct and use her feeling and opinion instead and somehow going political.
@@liljackypaperRoman doesn't have a filter as far as being an asshole goes I guess but he's never genuine. He's always sarcastic and deflecting things with weird jokes.
@@PlainTraces Matsson was always going to go straight to the board. He is smart enough to know that is where the power lies. Messing with Ken and Rome was just fun and games for him - for the entire negotiation. He just wanted to mess with their minds to amuse himself
@Paul bad move by Mattson, he pulled a Kendall. Overpaid for a bleeding dinosaur just to laugh at Roman and Ken, but thats not good business. He's been pushing the deal hard since he got a whiff of sandy and stewy wanting more money, Mattson is panicking.
@@PlainTraces I wish when I made 'bad moves' people offered to pay me out for 187 BILLION dollars. I honestly don't know what to think about this season. Is Logan even dead? Probably...but what if? Is this all a part of a plan to boost the trade price? Would have worked brilliantly if so.. This season is sketchy and I feel that somewhere in here one of thes red herrings will actually unravel and turn into a plot twist.
To actually see just straight up honesty in this "negotiation" was cathartic. We see these scenes as just them tip toeing what they actually want to say and fluff up things to sound nice most of the time. A lot is emphasize in what is not said, but for Roman to just look him dead in the eyes and say how he really felt. OOF. Even after saying he hated Lukas, he didn't care to backtrack or make a joke out of it. It was so real, especially with that little smile Roman gives on 4:28 after Lukas tries to knock him down a peg. So so satisfyinggggg
Roman took the bait here. Mattson had a suspicion they were tanking the deal but he goaded Roman into laying his cards on the table. He's done research on all of them, and he knows Roman is fiercely loyal to his dad so in a mixture of frustration with them and making his next move, he lays the Logan insults on thick. It feels good in the moment for Roman but you can see his and Kendall's faces on the plane in the end, Mattson just goes around them and presents the offer directly to the board and it's too good to turn down, so he takes the company the way he always wanted in the end.
@@dantesmith7859 Kendall and Roman wanting ATN is all emotional. I'm confused how keeping the toxic asset would be considered a 'win' outside of just 'honouring' Logan's wishes. Its political links are all open, so it does not seem like it's being undervalued, unless its valuation changes next episode. In terms of dick-swinging and getting-what-you-want though, yes Mattson does 'win', but I don't think paying that premium is quite the galaxy-brain negotiation tactic business move the comments here insinuate.
@@dantesmith7859 yeah but does Mattson actually ‘win’ this? His offer is WAY higher than anyone at Waystar thought they could get. Take Kendall and Roman out of the equation and this is a huge W for the company. There are no winners between these three.
@@dantesmith7859yeah I don’t know. He did try to shush him at first, telling him to take it easy… then ending up spending waaaay above what’s needed. He’s in over his head too here.
@@SeppukuAddictyup … Culkin later said he was so lost in the moment that he didn’t notice all the scenery until he returned later with his family. It shows on screen
Yeah and then the fact that the scene showed Mattson flying down on his helicopter while Kendall and Roman had to wait for the lift to go down. Great episode
I love the parallels between Roman and Mattson here ending the deal while he pees, and when they first meet at Kendal’s party doing a deal together in the bathroom while he pees
Lukas urinating is part of his disrespectful power play. Probably suspects Roman as a latent gay/bi man and is demonstrating conceit hubris arrogance & rudeness. Note Roman positioned himself both times to get the money shot regardless of his play.
This is what got them that offer. Roman hitting Mattson's ego by saying he would NEVER sell to him. And I love that Kendall actually stood there and didn't saying anything when Mattson ask him if he hear anything. He didn't say nothing to keep the legal aspect. Genius
@@Glimax Literally in the real world man. Please don't be ignorant. Studies show that rich people feel so insecure about losing their wealth, they feel as though they NEED to keep makking more money whilst also having this weird social heirarchy of needing to show to their rich "friends" how wealthy they are. Studies show that rich people SUCK at spending money wisely, and that they feel as though they're living paycheck to paycheck (relative to their earnings, so not like they're gonna starve, but that they will lose their wealth). So yes, in the REAL WORLD, FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS drive everything and everyone. We eat because we are hungry A FEELING. we sleep because we are TIRED. We fuck because we are horny. We hate because we are scared. We comment on a youtube post about feelings because it challenges your world view of what the "real world" is like. and how you would rather it be an "idealistic" rational world. But it isn't. The world runs on flimsy emotions. Check Putin. Check Trump. Check any revolutionary and tyrant. Check your parents.
Me: So proud of Roman for speaking his mind and telling this dude to fuck off. Also me: Goddamn Roman, you just gave everything away and cost the family ATN.
ATN is just a sentimental thing. WIth the money they are going to get they could launch a new version as well as taking Pierce and doing more left-winged news.
@@basedpatriotLT Of course, but he wanted to beat them. Hence why he was big dicking them the entire time. Because sometimes, "It is just a big dick competition."
Here I think Roman spilled that they didn't have the Board's support and that Mattson could easily go behind the siblings and gain the Board's support.
You don’t get the trauma bond. His father set him up for this life of failure, just like he did the other siblings. His trauma bond to his father is part of a long term attempt to deny reality. His father was a prick, he would be embarrassed because just as Roman said, “we’re nothing.” This is just pure tragedy, there is no silver lining.
4:25 The way Matsson leans in intimidatingly, while Roman smirks, completely unfazed by him proves his point in the finale: “It could’ve been me”. Romulus truly became his father’s son in this scene.
@@istillsing1234 sure but for that line he was standing completely still as if when they acted the scene out there was a pause/silence for effect. I don't think that line was there when they acted the scene
I think you can argue he's just as bad as them. Like he's probably smarter. But he's pretty impulsive and moronic too. I was getting an "all the adults are gone" vibe this episode. That's a pretty cool angle to me. Like logan and Kerry said (I think), "the guy's made one piece of tech and thinks he's a genius."
@@MG-he7er Hes not, in fact when negotiating w him we can see how Logan kinda respects him, bc Matsson is probably the most similar characters weve seen in the series to Logan himself, even being able to outmanouver him and having that killer instinct that Logan talked so much ab. At the start of the episode it seemed that Matsson was utterly stupid being so condescendent to them, but in the end, Matsson turned out beating them both going over them, right there he just proved that he does has that killer instinct, not to mention that he saw right through Ken and Roms charade in only like 2 minutes talking to them lol.
@Mauro Rossi Montero yeah I'm not sure if he is or isn't. Definitely not arguing that he didn't embarrass the boys this episode. I'm just saying we've seen him have his moments, but we've seen Ken and Roman have theirs too. But we both know those two are deeply flawed. In the short amount of time we've seen Mattson, the writers showed he has some pretty major flaws of his own. Just this episode he told shiv, the sister of the brothers he's trying to fuck, that he has a history of seriously harassing an employee. I don't think that's a throwaway piece of information in this show. Also, there are clear parallels with elon musk caricature (itchy twitter fingers/impulsive decision making). But even Shiv figured that plan out. It was definitely obvious. And as for logan... that is tough. Their convo did seem pretty equal but that was it for the two of them. So yeah idk what he really thought of him. Just saying it's possible that he's an intelligent dumdum like the others. But I do know for sure that I love this show. This is one of the few things I'd comment on UA-cam for lol.
I still, months after this has aired, cannot understand the pervasive misinterpretation of this scene by so many. Roman actually just shit himself. This was literally, matssons intention to push him til they revealed what he suspected. This displays roman as a childish simpleton throwing his toys out of the cot and matsson as competent, cold and calculated and that is why he ultimately won.
That shot of Mattson at the final second of the clip should be enough for anyone who thinks he 'won' this or was playing them to bring this out. He's fuming. No different to the Roy kids in so many ways
Exactly ... Mattson's not some "evil genius." He's just as childish as the Roy siblings, just as mean and competitive as Logan and ultimately only triumphs because of his lies about India. Makes the final conflict all the more unpredictable and compelling IMHO
Just take the fucking money and run. Roman breaks my heart. He is still so loyal to the shitstain that was Logan Roy( masterfully played by Brian Cox). So broken by the loss of a guy who NEVER ONCE showed him real love.
I'm surprised that not everyone is grasping this. This scene is fundamentally a sad reminder of how Roman has not processed his father's death, it's not some big "win" just because he told a guy to go fuck himself.
You could see it coming… & Romulus went scorched earth on Mattson. Maybe the best moment of the season so far. They finally stopped wondering what their dad would do & realized that he would’ve done whatever the hell he wanted to.
Logan was more direct and less manipulative in some respects. Because Logan just bowled people over with sheer power and intimidation. Mattson enjoys screwing with people in more psychotic ways. It was nice seeing this side of Roman. Finally some honesty. And I like that Ken was like, “Well. That’s not what we planned, but we can work with it.” I also love that the Old Guard said you can’t read Kendall. He deserves some props for being savvy enough.
"Psychotic" = in a state of psychosis. It's when a person with schizophrenia has hallucinations. Or when a bipolar person has the manic phase. Or it's like the movie "Psycho" where a man grooms the corps of his dead mother for years. That's psychosis. "Psychopathic behavior" = behavior OF a psychopath. That's Hannibal Lecter or Gone girl. A person who is absolutely in control of the situation. They are cold-blooded and merciless, but they know exactly what they're doing and they mean it to be that way. Basically that means malicious and sadistic behavior. That's "psychopathic". Because that's what psychopaths do (and some narcissists). The word you wanted to use in your comment was "psychopathic".
@@omg9261 jeez look at the number of likes you got versus his. People who try to correct everyone without context ALWAYS get corrected in the end, culturally.
On a viewing after knowing how the show ends, Roman's emotional outburst is a disaster. He glances off the part where Mattson gave up his weak point, that he needs the deal to happen quickly because he is hiding bad numbers in India, and he makes a double error in giving away their intention openly that they're trying to slow the deal down but also giving away the weak spot that they don't know how. That he mentions trying to bore Mattson to death also gives away that he doesn't know Mattson's weak point, he missed Mattson's mistake with his one emotional outburst that he needs the deal to happen fast.
The cast and acting for the character of matson is fucking amazing here, what a great portrayal of a villain. He’s always right in your face saying annoying shit, always confrontational, almost like he’s intentionally trying to piss you off so you take a swing at him, almost like he’s daring you to go ahead and do it. But you can’t, beyond all the other reasons because he’s this huge beast of a man and he’d probably beat the shit out of you anyway. So you just sit there frustrated. You almost feel it yourself watching this guy. Just great acting.
obviously this wasn't a negotiation tactic but i think roman still played it smart. he was probably less committed to tanking the deal than kendall so maybe there was a part of him that thought "worst case scenario i piss off the swede and we get a nice price bump."
“And if you tell the board I said any of this, I’m just gonna say it was a negotiating tactic, and maybe it is, but it’s not, so fuck you” is one of my new favorite lines of this show
Absolutely riveting scene, one of the best in the show. Roman's outburst was both cathartic and pathetic, because of how easily he played right into Matsson's hands.
how did he play in his hands? Mattsson could have gone to the board with the higher offer any time he wanted. No significance of Roman's behavior here.
@@liljackypaper he made it so that the old guard knew and they couldn’t sell, he forced them to sell just like Kendall forced vaulter to sell, vaulter “won” more money but he lost what he wanted, his company. Plus I feel like matsson recorded it or something
I doubt that Matsson is legitimately using these little antagonizations as a way to gain leverage in the deal. It feels more like the deal is going to happen or it isn't, depending on the actual business factors, and everything between Matsson and Kendall/Roman is just fucking around. None of the conversation between him and the Roys actually fucking matters, because what matters is the numbers. Is ATN making money? Is it going to continue to make money? Can Matsson change the company so it makes even more money? That's all that matters.
Mattson's furious at Roman's naked gall and undisguised contempt ... AND he "loved that shit." He was sort of bored and listless before, but learning he had an actual conflict on his hands with Roman and Kendall, a FIGHT where he could BEAT someone ... THAT he most definitely loved!
@@Theu159 Mattson saw right through their bs and used Roman’s threat against him by going around him. Making the offer to the board (Frank) instead of them.
The last time Roman was this out of control was in ‘Retired Janitors of Idaho’ when Kendall charges in the room while Logan was not himself and Roman yells at Ken as he walks away. The consistency in character traits is 👌
Mattson is all smoke and mirrors and the kids know this. Eating up everything that the Roy family has touched is a morale victory for him for sure, but at the end of the day he’s just as much of a buffoon as them. He just happens to hold up a sign that says the highest number. Logan was truly one of a dying breed. The rest of them are playing toy soldiers.
@@patty1247 Yes absolutely lol. But while cultural zeitgeists may change - greed remains greed. And it seems this tech-bro is just as perverse and avaricious as his predecessors.
In any other show mattson would be oblivious to the shenanigans of the protagonist but within a minute he confronted them about trying to tank the deal and it’s so embarrassing. Imagine being that incompetent that you don’t realize people see right through your very simple tricks.
The first time i watched this episode. I didn't even notice Matsson is peeing. That was great acting by Kieran ,you couldn't take the eyes from him in this scene.
Succession is the weirdest show I think I've ever seen. It's the only show I can think of where someone puts a massive plan in motion and it all falls apart by the next scene, or when a character committs a massive betrayal based on evidence that he just didn't look into enough.
I also think that Mattson was deliberately messing with Ken and Rome through every negotiation stage for shits and giggles. To amuse himself. A lion playing with mice. The power lies with the board - he knew that from the beginning. Any interaction with Rome and Ken was just to pour salt into their wounds while they were emotionally reeling from Logans death. Just petty mind games coming from Mattson. He wanted to go over their heads and straight to the board anyway.
The moment he met them in the ep and said why do you have so many people hear why is the old guard here and they sent them away it was over. Mattson is so freakin smart he’s running circles around them
@@bobdole6768 He clearly doesn't care about the money. He went higher then they expected but wanted ATN as well. The board liked the first deal and would have sold. And then he raised it again after the debacle on the plane just to troll them with an even bigger offer so they have no moves.
It's amazing how Culkan and Strong make their delivery just that little bit more forced to make it clear that Roman and Kendall are not trained actors.
“Hanna-Barbara School of Business” sometimes I feel like these kids graduated from there. They’re all smart, but can’t get of their own way. Mattson played them like a fiddle.
“Played like them a fiddle” he paid a Premium nobody expected for the purchase of their companies. Not saying he didn’t end up with everything he wants, but it was only by way of pure capital. He didn’t grind any bones to dust.
Buddy showed them boys they not even in the same league as him as far as negotiating...Logan was his equal, The B Roll Brothers are just a "Tribute Band"....great fucking line......Roman got too emotional.....Mattson don't give a fuck about Logan dying...He wants the deal
So cool to watch the brothers trying to transcend their dad's death. Kendall doing his awkward "modern" imitation and Roman trying to honor his wishes. And now shaping their futures without him
Honestly, probably won them the best deal possible. The kids were never going to be any good at running the company, but by forcing Mattson to fight them for it, they did guarantee a massive buy-out.
The way kendall doesnt say anything in the end is pretty gangster. Like rome said everything that needed to be said perfectly nothing else need be added lets go. Mattson may have had the last word but by that point nobody audience included doesnt even care what mattson has to say after rome.
I was going to comment the exact same thing. So cold from Kendall. It also makes me think that in another world, all three of them together could probably be a competent CEO lmao
Not gonna lie, seeing roman dealing with the loss and unloading how he really felt to matsson…all while sitting on a ledge looking down on his shit; made me forget about every character this episode.
Roman was definitely not built to takeover Waystar. You can clearly see how his lack of nerve and experience fucks everything up here. Kendall was the most competent out of all three siblings by far. He’s a seasoned negotiator and a proper strategist.
@@CynicalBastard511yeah that's back when he had was still relatively inexperienced. Everything he went through in the subsequent seasons toughened him a bit.
@@therealkendallroy Well, Kenny, all you had to do was follow Gerri's advice. She was there to help you and she looked in horror as you tried to act tough and failed miserably. She had even provided you with all the material you needed, including even some sort of "script" of what to say to Mr. Polk, who then proceeded to roasted you like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Matsson knew who he was going to negotiate with. He knows from before that Roman is a impulsive ,kinda "say whatever stupid thing is on my mind". And Kendall that he is a try-hard ,a wannabe CEO. When he saw the fake articles that the deal vibes are off ,and the bad movie just confirmed it. That they wanted to tank the deal. He had it all planned before this negotiation ,he knew if he said something bad about Logan ,that Roman would break and then they couldn't tank the deal with a higher offer. Someone will say ,yeah but he paid more. I don't think that bothered him that much ,his satisfaction was seeing their faces at the end. That confirmed that Matsson is a killer and that he only cares about seeing his prey hurt in the end.
At 3:01 : I'm glad Roman did what he did. Kendall is stoic and hard to read, but I hope they decided to tell Shiv what happened & hope she makes Ebba shove the 🗡️ into Mattson & twists it to bleed his money till he's dry.
Does anyone know Mattson's back story? Can we assume he came from money? It was revealed in this ep that his dad suicided - by keeping the BMW running and gassifying himself. Mattson says finding his dad gave him 'trauma' but I think he was trying to one-up Kendall and Logan in the 'my dad just died' stakes. Matsonns fathers dads death gave him control over the family money and Matson steered that into a billion dollar GoJo. These are all my wild assumptions. Keen to hears others thoughts.
Is it just me, or there's something wrong with the sound editing at 1:35? It seems Mattson's line was superimposed there... Maybe they thought there was too long of a silence there?
The scary thing is Roman is probably right about Mattson intentionally drags the deal out for months, partly to see if Logan's gonna expire soon. Dude's a bit psychotic like Logan, so I wouldn't rule him out of that inhuman tactic, especially when he's very explicit about waiting for Logan to die, so it'd be a clearer coast for him. And now he wants to close the deal immediately after he died. Mf definitely timed that.
People acting like Roman won… Mattson just bought ATN, gutted the senior leadership team, left Ken & Roman pissed off & now has Shiv under his thumb 😂😂😂
Matsson may have overpaid for ATN, massively, but The Roy's are 'already rich' in Kendall's own words. ATN was their blood and now they're left with nothing, which makes the premium price worth it for Matsson.
So refreshing to hear them speak plainly, but also, OOH, Mattson needs to be punched 😂👊🏾 The snakes on a plane did not realize they were flying to a snake pit 😂
I predicted a couple weeks ago that Roman was either going to kill Matsson or have someone do it for him. I still like those chances. Especially if and when he finds out he cut a deal with Shiv. There's no question that Roman hates his guts. Matsson played him, and I don't think Roman plans on forgetting about that.
I thought Roman was going to fly off the handle and attack Mattson for a second. My guess is this was Mattson's intension. He probably was recording them or had someone in the background video-taping them or something.
It's so natural and interesting to see that the CE-bros thought Shiv is "fucked up already" over the emotions while she's the key factor holding everything together without any big chief titles when the 2 idiots tanking the deal because of feelings.
whoever wrote the line "Hanna-Barbera f**kin' business school..." is a genius! and Matsson's delivery is perfect.
I don't get it
@@teemoammo the old Scooby Doo cartoons were produced/created by the Hanna-Barbera group. “Are you Scooby-Doo-ing me?” his previous line…
@@ajluvzlondon4214 Also the initals HBS is the same as Harvard Business School.
It’s how Kendall saying ‘Rome’ the second Roman decides to go berserk. Nothing beats the sibling energy in this series.
That shit is brilliant
The way to win with people like Matsson is to not be scared of them. And I loved how each sibling had what the other lacked. Great writing. Fearless Roman. Intelligent Ken. Disciplined Shiv.
@@SarahRamsinghnice catch about the siblings dynamic
He made a face too
Roman’s look at 2:22… he’s so pissed. I’m glad he actually spoke his mind for once instead of hiding behind jokes and sarcasm. That was cathartic to me as a viewer, it must have felt even more so for the character.
More like 2:43
"I'm glad Roman spoke his mind for once" Have we been watching the same show lmao if anything Roman doesn't have a filter
Also, this is the first time we see Roman is so pissed while negotiating. Usually, if he's negotiating, he's calm, friendly and even joke around until he slowly tell the numbers. But in this case, he's pissed, still grieving of his dead father and shows no remorse. Roman is usually good at negotiating while Kendall won't let anyone to speak and rap like he's Eminem while Shiv is being too direct and use her feeling and opinion instead and somehow going political.
more like 4:25 lmao roman was so horrible at this job
@@liljackypaperRoman doesn't have a filter as far as being an asshole goes I guess but he's never genuine. He's always sarcastic and deflecting things with weird jokes.
It felt so good to see Roman unload on mattson 😌 and I loved how Kendall just sat back and let him
It was a bad move though, Matsson cornered them right after by bumping the offer and going around them and directly to the board.
@@PlainTraces Matsson was always going to go straight to the board. He is smart enough to know that is where the power lies. Messing with Ken and Rome was just fun and games for him - for the entire negotiation. He just wanted to mess with their minds to amuse himself
@Paul bad move by Mattson, he pulled a Kendall. Overpaid for a bleeding dinosaur just to laugh at Roman and Ken, but thats not good business. He's been pushing the deal hard since he got a whiff of sandy and stewy wanting more money, Mattson is panicking.
@@PlainTraces I wish when I made 'bad moves' people offered to pay me out for 187 BILLION dollars. I honestly don't know what to think about this season. Is Logan even dead? Probably...but what if? Is this all a part of a plan to boost the trade price? Would have worked brilliantly if so.. This season is sketchy and I feel that somewhere in here one of thes red herrings will actually unravel and turn into a plot twist.
@@rayzala1393 It's not 187 billions mate, it's 187 usd per share. Two VERY different things.
"I think he'd be embarrassed if he saw you two now. His two BIG BOYS. Playing Scooby-doos."
They’re playing toy fucking soldiers
To actually see just straight up honesty in this "negotiation" was cathartic. We see these scenes as just them tip toeing what they actually want to say and fluff up things to sound nice most of the time. A lot is emphasize in what is not said, but for Roman to just look him dead in the eyes and say how he really felt. OOF. Even after saying he hated Lukas, he didn't care to backtrack or make a joke out of it. It was so real, especially with that little smile Roman gives on 4:28 after Lukas tries to knock him down a peg. So so satisfyinggggg
Roman took the bait here. Mattson had a suspicion they were tanking the deal but he goaded Roman into laying his cards on the table. He's done research on all of them, and he knows Roman is fiercely loyal to his dad so in a mixture of frustration with them and making his next move, he lays the Logan insults on thick. It feels good in the moment for Roman but you can see his and Kendall's faces on the plane in the end, Mattson just goes around them and presents the offer directly to the board and it's too good to turn down, so he takes the company the way he always wanted in the end.
@@dantesmith7859 exactly
@@dantesmith7859 Kendall and Roman wanting ATN is all emotional. I'm confused how keeping the toxic asset would be considered a 'win' outside of just 'honouring' Logan's wishes. Its political links are all open, so it does not seem like it's being undervalued, unless its valuation changes next episode. In terms of dick-swinging and getting-what-you-want though, yes Mattson does 'win', but I don't think paying that premium is quite the galaxy-brain negotiation tactic business move the comments here insinuate.
@@dantesmith7859 yeah but does Mattson actually ‘win’ this? His offer is WAY higher than anyone at Waystar thought they could get. Take Kendall and Roman out of the equation and this is a huge W for the company. There are no winners between these three.
@@dantesmith7859yeah I don’t know. He did try to shush him at first, telling him to take it easy… then ending up spending waaaay above what’s needed. He’s in over his head too here.
that "I fucking hate you" was from the bottom of his heart. Kinda badass
Lmao. It was pathetic.
@@b.g.3073you know nothing of acting
@@BwInNewJerseyhe’s not saying it’s not well acted, he’s saying the character is pathetic.
@@SeppukuAddictyup … Culkin later said he was so lost in the moment that he didn’t notice all the scenery until he returned later with his family. It shows on screen
I don't think Roman's hatred means very much given that he anointed Mancken
Interesting parallel between Mattson saying “people are tiny” and Logan Roy calling himself a giant amongst pigmies a few episodes before
Yeah and then the fact that the scene showed Mattson flying down on his helicopter while Kendall and Roman had to wait for the lift to go down. Great episode
He towers over these mental midgets
Mattson gonna die confirmed
Pygmies'*
@@RaoulDuke32what does that mean?
1:24 His delivery of "are you Scooby-Doo-ing me here?" was magnificent.
One of Kieran Culkin's finest moments in the series. Great scene!
I would go as far as to say this was his signature moment. phenomenal writing and even more phenomenal acting.
I love the parallels between Roman and Mattson here ending the deal while he pees, and when they first meet at Kendal’s party doing a deal together in the bathroom while he pees
Lukas urinating is part of his disrespectful power play. Probably suspects Roman as a latent gay/bi man and is demonstrating conceit hubris arrogance & rudeness.
Note Roman positioned himself both times to get the money shot regardless of his play.
It's all a big-dick waving contest. Mattson also uses his height advantage in so many ways.
Alex is a great actor. Love his delivery
I absolutely loved his "are you Scooby-Dooing me here?"
You should watch Infinity Pool
“Hanna-Barbera fuckin’ business school”
This is what got them that offer. Roman hitting Mattson's ego by saying he would NEVER sell to him. And I love that Kendall actually stood there and didn't saying anything when Mattson ask him if he hear anything. He didn't say nothing to keep the legal aspect. Genius
This whole episode I wasn’t sure if they were making the right move by tanking the deal. But Mattson made me think “fuck this guy and his deal”
People who let their base emotions rule them always lose.
@@unadanni not true. Base emotions rule everything. It keeps us alive and thriving
@@cgijokerman5787 Alive sure. Thriving is a different fucking story.
@@cgijokerman5787 Not in the real world
@@Glimax Literally in the real world man. Please don't be ignorant. Studies show that rich people feel so insecure about losing their wealth, they feel as though they NEED to keep makking more money whilst also having this weird social heirarchy of needing to show to their rich "friends" how wealthy they are. Studies show that rich people SUCK at spending money wisely, and that they feel as though they're living paycheck to paycheck (relative to their earnings, so not like they're gonna starve, but that they will lose their wealth).
So yes, in the REAL WORLD, FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS drive everything and everyone.
We eat because we are hungry A FEELING.
we sleep because we are TIRED.
We fuck because we are horny.
We hate because we are scared.
We comment on a youtube post about feelings because it challenges your world view of what the "real world" is like. and how you would rather it be an "idealistic" rational world. But it isn't. The world runs on flimsy emotions. Check Putin. Check Trump. Check any revolutionary and tyrant. Check your parents.
Best scene in the whole show last night! Kieran Culkin just got his emmy nod with this one.
Mattson saw right through them even the scene before that one, no wonder Logan thought it was better to take the deal.
Me: So proud of Roman for speaking his mind and telling this dude to fuck off.
Also me: Goddamn Roman, you just gave everything away and cost the family ATN.
😭🤣😭
Mattson already connected the dots
ATN is just a sentimental thing. WIth the money they are going to get they could launch a new version as well as taking Pierce and doing more left-winged news.
how did he get anything (let alone everything away)? Mattsson could have gone to the board with the higher offer any time he wanted
@@basedpatriotLT Of course, but he wanted to beat them. Hence why he was big dicking them the entire time. Because sometimes, "It is just a big dick competition."
Hanna-Barbera Business School 😂 Matsson is also on point with the insults
Here I think Roman spilled that they didn't have the Board's support and that Mattson could easily go behind the siblings and gain the Board's support.
It's both sad and heart-warming how Roman defends Logan even though Logan was clearly ambivalent towards him.
Rome respects the giant his dad is
You don’t get the trauma bond. His father set him up for this life of failure, just like he did the other siblings. His trauma bond to his father is part of a long term attempt to deny reality. His father was a prick, he would be embarrassed because just as Roman said, “we’re nothing.”
This is just pure tragedy, there is no silver lining.
Logan loved his kids in his own, fucked up way. Brian Cox said so himself, saying the love he had for his kids was his biggest problem.
That _”Did I?”_ from Roman is so good, he doesn’t care what it costs he’s just had enough of Mattson's shit and I love it
4:25 The way Matsson leans in intimidatingly, while Roman smirks, completely unfazed by him proves his point in the finale: “It could’ve been me”. Romulus truly became his father’s son in this scene.
01:35 "your big movie is shitty" sounds like it was added in post
it was all added in post...nobody records dialog on a mountain
@@istillsing1234 sure but for that line he was standing completely still as if when they acted the scene out there was a pause/silence for effect. I don't think that line was there when they acted the scene
@@theslyngl Agreed, the level on it is not in sync with everything else. Not noticeable to me on first watch through though.
I love how it sounds I rewatched it 10 times and cackled
I feel like it could be fixed to sound more natural it just sounds like it’s mixed a bit too loud
Mattson is what Logan would call "serious people".
So, a demon?
Roman himself called Mattson a "serious person."
I think you can argue he's just as bad as them. Like he's probably smarter. But he's pretty impulsive and moronic too. I was getting an "all the adults are gone" vibe this episode. That's a pretty cool angle to me.
Like logan and Kerry said (I think), "the guy's made one piece of tech and thinks he's a genius."
@@MG-he7er Hes not, in fact when negotiating w him we can see how Logan kinda respects him, bc Matsson is probably the most similar characters weve seen in the series to Logan himself, even being able to outmanouver him and having that killer instinct that Logan talked so much ab.
At the start of the episode it seemed that Matsson was utterly stupid being so condescendent to them, but in the end, Matsson turned out beating them both going over them, right there he just proved that he does has that killer instinct, not to mention that he saw right through Ken and Roms charade in only like 2 minutes talking to them lol.
@Mauro Rossi Montero yeah I'm not sure if he is or isn't. Definitely not arguing that he didn't embarrass the boys this episode. I'm just saying we've seen him have his moments, but we've seen Ken and Roman have theirs too. But we both know those two are deeply flawed. In the short amount of time we've seen Mattson, the writers showed he has some pretty major flaws of his own. Just this episode he told shiv, the sister of the brothers he's trying to fuck, that he has a history of seriously harassing an employee. I don't think that's a throwaway piece of information in this show. Also, there are clear parallels with elon musk caricature (itchy twitter fingers/impulsive decision making).
But even Shiv figured that plan out. It was definitely obvious. And as for logan... that is tough. Their convo did seem pretty equal but that was it for the two of them. So yeah idk what he really thought of him. Just saying it's possible that he's an intelligent dumdum like the others. But I do know for sure that I love this show. This is one of the few things I'd comment on UA-cam for lol.
I still, months after this has aired, cannot understand the pervasive misinterpretation of this scene by so many. Roman actually just shit himself. This was literally, matssons intention to push him til they revealed what he suspected. This displays roman as a childish simpleton throwing his toys out of the cot and matsson as competent, cold and calculated and that is why he ultimately won.
And what was it he suspected, pray tell?
Totally agree, the other replies referring to this scene as “badass” has me very confused
Mattson was a genius to offer them lots more money - you
@@SomeBF you clearly misunderstand the context, he ultimately won negogiation to their ruin
That shot of Mattson at the final second of the clip should be enough for anyone who thinks he 'won' this or was playing them to bring this out. He's fuming. No different to the Roy kids in so many ways
Yes, he is angry. Dissappointed.
But he still won anyway because the spoiled kids are losers
Exactly ... Mattson's not some "evil genius." He's just as childish as the Roy siblings, just as mean and competitive as Logan and ultimately only triumphs because of his lies about India. Makes the final conflict all the more unpredictable and compelling IMHO
Just take the fucking money and run. Roman breaks my heart. He is still so loyal to the shitstain that was Logan Roy( masterfully played by Brian Cox). So broken by the loss of a guy who NEVER ONCE showed him real love.
Not once
I'm surprised that not everyone is grasping this. This scene is fundamentally a sad reminder of how Roman has not processed his father's death, it's not some big "win" just because he told a guy to go fuck himself.
they have money, billions, at a certain point other things mean more than having 5 billion or 4 billion
You could see it coming… & Romulus went scorched earth on Mattson. Maybe the best moment of the season so far. They finally stopped wondering what their dad would do & realized that he would’ve done whatever the hell he wanted to.
Logan was more direct and less manipulative in some respects. Because Logan just bowled people over with sheer power and intimidation. Mattson enjoys screwing with people in more psychotic ways. It was nice seeing this side of Roman. Finally some honesty. And I like that Ken was like, “Well. That’s not what we planned, but we can work with it.” I also love that the Old Guard said you can’t read Kendall. He deserves some props for being savvy enough.
It's not "psychotic" it's called "psychopathic".
Gosh, learn the meaning of the words before you use them 🙄🙄🙄🤦♀️
"Psychotic" = in a state of psychosis.
It's when a person with schizophrenia has hallucinations. Or when a bipolar person has the manic phase. Or it's like the movie "Psycho" where a man grooms the corps of his dead mother for years. That's psychosis.
"Psychopathic behavior" = behavior OF a psychopath.
That's Hannibal Lecter or Gone girl. A person who is absolutely in control of the situation. They are cold-blooded and merciless, but they know exactly what they're doing and they mean it to be that way. Basically that means malicious and sadistic behavior.
That's "psychopathic".
Because that's what psychopaths do (and some narcissists).
The word you wanted to use in your comment was "psychopathic".
@@omg9261 People use the word psychotic in this context plenty.
@@omg9261 I’m using it as a common adjective not a DSM-5 classification. And I don’t need a vocabulary lesson.
@@omg9261 jeez look at the number of likes you got versus his. People who try to correct everyone without context ALWAYS get corrected in the end, culturally.
The way Ken just stares Matsson at the end… damn
Romans smile at 4:28 is fantastic… shows he is ready for fucking war!!! And Mattson does not scare him at all. Beautiful scene
KIERAN CULKIN WE ARE GETTING YOU THAT EMMY BABE HOLD ON TIGHT
On a viewing after knowing how the show ends, Roman's emotional outburst is a disaster. He glances off the part where Mattson gave up his weak point, that he needs the deal to happen quickly because he is hiding bad numbers in India, and he makes a double error in giving away their intention openly that they're trying to slow the deal down but also giving away the weak spot that they don't know how. That he mentions trying to bore Mattson to death also gives away that he doesn't know Mattson's weak point, he missed Mattson's mistake with his one emotional outburst that he needs the deal to happen fast.
Great comment
The cast and acting for the character of matson is fucking amazing here, what a great portrayal of a villain. He’s always right in your face saying annoying shit, always confrontational, almost like he’s intentionally trying to piss you off so you take a swing at him, almost like he’s daring you to go ahead and do it. But you can’t, beyond all the other reasons because he’s this huge beast of a man and he’d probably beat the shit out of you anyway. So you just sit there frustrated. You almost feel it yourself watching this guy. Just great acting.
I was so focused on Rom last night that I did not notice Matt was peeing lmao
obviously this wasn't a negotiation tactic but i think roman still played it smart. he was probably less committed to tanking the deal than kendall so maybe there was a part of him that thought "worst case scenario i piss off the swede and we get a nice price bump."
“And if you tell the board I said any of this, I’m just gonna say it was a negotiating tactic, and maybe it is, but it’s not, so fuck you” is one of my new favorite lines of this show
Absolutely riveting scene, one of the best in the show. Roman's outburst was both cathartic and pathetic, because of how easily he played right into Matsson's hands.
how did he play in his hands? Mattsson could have gone to the board with the higher offer any time he wanted. No significance of Roman's behavior here.
How did he play into his hands? By making Matsson offer even more money? Wow, Matsson really showed them!
@@basedpatriotLT he's like Logan hes not really gonna do that unless he doesn't think his big dick can get him through it
@@liljackypaper he made it so that the old guard knew and they couldn’t sell, he forced them to sell just like Kendall forced vaulter to sell, vaulter “won” more money but he lost what he wanted, his company. Plus I feel like matsson recorded it or something
I doubt that Matsson is legitimately using these little antagonizations as a way to gain leverage in the deal. It feels more like the deal is going to happen or it isn't, depending on the actual business factors, and everything between Matsson and Kendall/Roman is just fucking around. None of the conversation between him and the Roys actually fucking matters, because what matters is the numbers. Is ATN making money? Is it going to continue to make money? Can Matsson change the company so it makes even more money? That's all that matters.
4:28 Roman's "did I?" cracks me up hard
It's July 04th, and it's been weeks without Succession. URGH, I miss this show.
Kendall casually walking away is so funny to me idk why lol
Mattson loved that shit.
Mattson's furious at Roman's naked gall and undisguised contempt ... AND he "loved that shit." He was sort of bored and listless before, but learning he had an actual conflict on his hands with Roman and Kendall, a FIGHT where he could BEAT someone ... THAT he most definitely loved!
that “Did I?” 4:28 is off the charts 🤯 !
Mattson played the boys like a fiddle despite Roman’s valiant effort to stand up for himself
How so?
Honestly, I thought Roman looked whiny and weak. Mattson was two steps ahead of the CE-Bros the entire time.
@@Seitanic_panic I can see that
@@Theu159 Mattson saw right through their bs and used Roman’s threat against him by going around him. Making the offer to the board (Frank) instead of them.
He didn’t play them. He paid an absolute fortune for a company that was worth a fraction. It’s the fictionalized version of Elon buying Twitter.
Hanna Barberra Fuckin’ Business School, Semester 1: Scooby Dooing your Competitors to tank the deal.
Good for Roman ! I really felt that! Brillirant work by Kieran !
Mattson face in the end says it all... I'm burning your playhouse and stealing your bank accounts.
The last time Roman was this out of control was in ‘Retired Janitors of Idaho’ when Kendall charges in the room while Logan was not himself and Roman yells at Ken as he walks away. The consistency in character traits is 👌
Kieran Culkin's finest hour.
Fantastic scene, incredible acting
Mattson is all smoke and mirrors and the kids know this. Eating up everything that the Roy family has touched is a morale victory for him for sure, but at the end of the day he’s just as much of a buffoon as them. He just happens to hold up a sign that says the highest number.
Logan was truly one of a dying breed. The rest of them are playing toy soldiers.
Logan is a dying breed but it’s good that his breed is dying.
@@patty1247 why?
@@patty1247 Yes absolutely lol. But while cultural zeitgeists may change - greed remains greed. And it seems this tech-bro is just as perverse and avaricious as his predecessors.
Then how did Mattson made billions? Its not clear , but it seems ho didnt have a rich daddy to lean on and is self-made. Unlike sibs
@@vasvas8914 It’s been implied several times that he comes from old money, same as them
The only way to win a negotiation is to give less of a fuck about the outcome than the other guy.
Ladies and gents, Kieran Culkin just won himself an Emmy at the top of that mountain, or at least he should.
if the monologue didn't do it already, that voice crack at 4:44 while storming off definitely should
In any other show mattson would be oblivious to the shenanigans of the protagonist but within a minute he confronted them about trying to tank the deal and it’s so embarrassing. Imagine being that incompetent that you don’t realize people see right through your very simple tricks.
Talk about Character development with Roman. Wow. 😊
15 episodes of "do we sell? we're selling, no wait not selling, ok selling, wait do we sell?"
The first time i watched this episode. I didn't even notice Matsson is peeing. That was great acting by Kieran ,you couldn't take the eyes from him in this scene.
Succession is the weirdest show I think I've ever seen. It's the only show I can think of where someone puts a massive plan in motion and it all falls apart by the next scene, or when a character committs a massive betrayal based on evidence that he just didn't look into enough.
Still not sure if Ken is looking at Mattson in Disgust or is just in shock at how him and Roman just spoke to each other
Ken’s seen it before. Just there to stop Lukas from smacking Rome hard in the mouth.
Reading the comments, 1 thing is certain, everyone learned a new word and the scene is definitely cathartic
I also think that Mattson was deliberately messing with Ken and Rome through every negotiation stage for shits and giggles. To amuse himself. A lion playing with mice. The power lies with the board - he knew that from the beginning. Any interaction with Rome and Ken was just to pour salt into their wounds while they were emotionally reeling from Logans death. Just petty mind games coming from Mattson. He wanted to go over their heads and straight to the board anyway.
The moment he met them in the ep and said why do you have so many people hear why is the old guard here and they sent them away it was over. Mattson is so freakin smart he’s running circles around them
running circles around them by upping his offer massively?
@@bobdole6768 He clearly doesn't care about the money. He went higher then they expected but wanted ATN as well. The board liked the first deal and would have sold. And then he raised it again after the debacle on the plane just to troll them with an even bigger offer so they have no moves.
@@TheGoonSquadd It's a win win for kendall though, either they tank the deal or get more money than they would have otherwise
l literally thought Roman was gonna throw him off the cliff when he smiled and said "Did i?"
This scene got Culkin his emmy
It's amazing how Culkan and Strong make their delivery just that little bit more forced to make it clear that Roman and Kendall are not trained actors.
I love how Roman looks like a pissed off schoolchild at 2:20.
Roman is passed while Mattson is pissing 😂
Best of season 4 so far
Being the one who gets to walk off is always the move
“Hanna-Barbara School of Business” sometimes I feel like these kids graduated from there. They’re all smart, but can’t get of their own way. Mattson played them like a fiddle.
“Played like them a fiddle” he paid a Premium nobody expected for the purchase of their companies. Not saying he didn’t end up with everything he wants, but it was only by way of pure capital. He didn’t grind any bones to dust.
None of the kids are smart. And Shiv only seems somewhat capable because she was Daddy's favorite so she had a safety net.
This is the most memorable scene from the series
"his two big boys playing scooby doos...."
This guy is such an alpha!
First time I love Roman in a scene.
Buddy showed them boys they not even in the same league as him as far as negotiating...Logan was his equal, The B Roll Brothers are just a "Tribute Band"....great fucking line......Roman got too emotional.....Mattson don't give a fuck about Logan dying...He wants the deal
This episode was so good! Let the Titan of industry games begin!
So cool to watch the brothers trying to transcend their dad's death. Kendall doing his awkward "modern" imitation and Roman trying to honor his wishes. And now shaping their futures without him
Honestly, probably won them the best deal possible. The kids were never going to be any good at running the company, but by forcing Mattson to fight them for it, they did guarantee a massive buy-out.
Good negotiation technique, higher valuation eventually
Shiv is now going to try and take over since she thinks she’s got dirt on the Swede
The way kendall doesnt say anything in the end is pretty gangster. Like rome said everything that needed to be said perfectly nothing else need be added lets go. Mattson may have had the last word but by that point nobody audience included doesnt even care what mattson has to say after rome.
I was going to comment the exact same thing. So cold from Kendall. It also makes me think that in another world, all three of them together could probably be a competent CEO lmao
This is where Rom won more billions ...
Not gonna lie, seeing roman dealing with the loss and unloading how he really felt to matsson…all while sitting on a ledge looking down on his shit; made me forget about every character this episode.
Roman was definitely not built to takeover Waystar. You can clearly see how his lack of nerve and experience fucks everything up here. Kendall was the most competent out of all three siblings by far. He’s a seasoned negotiator and a proper strategist.
You've got to be kidding... Have you seen how Kendall tried to negotiate Waystar's debt with the bank? He acted like a complete clown.
@@CynicalBastard511yeah that's back when he had was still relatively inexperienced. Everything he went through in the subsequent seasons toughened him a bit.
@@therealkendallroy Well, Kenny, all you had to do was follow Gerri's advice. She was there to help you and she looked in horror as you tried to act tough and failed miserably. She had even provided you with all the material you needed, including even some sort of "script" of what to say to Mr. Polk, who then proceeded to roasted you like a Thanksgiving turkey.
"In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king"
They're all morons
ya they were scooby dooing him looool
Matsson knew who he was going to negotiate with. He knows from before that Roman is a impulsive ,kinda "say whatever stupid thing is on my mind". And Kendall that he is a try-hard ,a wannabe CEO. When he saw the fake articles that the deal vibes are off ,and the bad movie just confirmed it. That they wanted to tank the deal. He had it all planned before this negotiation ,he knew if he said something bad about Logan ,that Roman would break and then they couldn't tank the deal with a higher offer. Someone will say ,yeah but he paid more. I don't think that bothered him that much ,his satisfaction was seeing their faces at the end. That confirmed that Matsson is a killer and that he only cares about seeing his prey hurt in the end.
At 3:01 : I'm glad Roman did what he did. Kendall is stoic and hard to read, but I hope they decided to tell Shiv what happened & hope she makes Ebba shove the 🗡️ into Mattson & twists it to bleed his money till he's dry.
Uh huh
I was proud of the boys
Does anyone know Mattson's back story? Can we assume he came from money? It was revealed in this ep that his dad suicided - by keeping the BMW running and gassifying himself. Mattson says finding his dad gave him 'trauma' but I think he was trying to one-up Kendall and Logan in the 'my dad just died' stakes. Matsonns fathers dads death gave him control over the family money and Matson steered that into a billion dollar GoJo. These are all my wild assumptions. Keen to hears others thoughts.
Makes sense to me
He's the Elon Musk parallel so I'd imagine he comes from money.
Is it just me, or there's something wrong with the sound editing at 1:35? It seems Mattson's line was superimposed there... Maybe they thought there was too long of a silence there?
The scary thing is Roman is probably right about Mattson intentionally drags the deal out for months, partly to see if Logan's gonna expire soon. Dude's a bit psychotic like Logan, so I wouldn't rule him out of that inhuman tactic, especially when he's very explicit about waiting for Logan to die, so it'd be a clearer coast for him. And now he wants to close the deal immediately after he died. Mf definitely timed that.
What if this was a masterful stroke from Rome and it’s going to play out in his favor later on?
Rome was playing 6-D chess here. Amazing 🤩
People acting like Roman won… Mattson just bought ATN, gutted the senior leadership team, left Ken & Roman pissed off & now has Shiv under his thumb 😂😂😂
Who knew having more money can do huh
Matsson may have overpaid for ATN, massively, but The Roy's are 'already rich' in Kendall's own words. ATN was their blood and now they're left with nothing, which makes the premium price worth it for Matsson.
I loved Roman here. My hero!
Nobody noticed how long it took to lukas to pee? It's like a whole minute 😂
Well, Alexander Skarsgard is 47 years old, so.. That explains it.
So refreshing to hear them speak plainly, but also, OOH, Mattson needs to be punched 😂👊🏾 The snakes on a plane did not realize they were flying to a snake pit 😂
I predicted a couple weeks ago that Roman was either going to kill Matsson or have someone do it for him. I still like those chances. Especially if and when he finds out he cut a deal with Shiv. There's no question that Roman hates his guts. Matsson played him, and I don't think Roman plans on forgetting about that.
Bro there are no hitmen in this show, what are you watching?
This ain’t Yellowstone, the only thing Roman’s gonna kill is his father’s own company.
It's only a prediction. But after Roman unloaded on Matsson, I don't think you can dismiss it. Those weren't just words, he meant everything he said.
I thought Roman was going to fly off the handle and attack Mattson for a second. My guess is this was Mattson's intension. He probably was recording them or had someone in the background video-taping them or something.
I don't think it matters since he gave them a counter offer. That stuff is binding, look at Elon
What kind of show do you think you're watching?
Hilarious show and these two along with roman are the funniest
It's so natural and interesting to see that the CE-bros thought Shiv is "fucked up already" over the emotions while she's the key factor holding everything together without any big chief titles when the 2 idiots tanking the deal because of feelings.