+Boss Singh He's good on some topics considering nationalism, but he's far from secular. He's also quite pro christians and muslims than being fair and balanced. When he does videos discussing deaths of several RSS workers at hands of local muslims, than merely a muslim IAS officer not being allowed in temple, may be i will revise my opinion. So far though, he's not exactly secular.
+mir masud ali May be because the quota system keeps out the more talented people. You do have about 70% quota in government jobs you know. Yet many more Hindus get in there, compared to your treacherous lot. Why else do you hate the hindus?
during my childhood we used to celebrate all the festivals together, used to have fun and smiles all around. It's fucked up now looks like, division and exclusion.
+Raghuvansh Rai hahaha "get an education" "semi literate".. where you got these.. u spelled only b....d word properly that is what u learned in school n college.
Question to VHP and RSS... What happen to your ghar wapasi... as Muslim he wants to join the procession Now you Deny... You people never do good to your people nor either other Community people....
***** WTF... What do you mean bhai ghar wapasi....? when you say I am a hindu... Be Proud What you are.... He Is Muslim and he is Proud what he is......! agar he Convert than will you look after him and his family and his expenses... No you can't do that....! so Shut your ass and do what your spouse to do ...
i dont understand our media and arnab pampering "Muslim" so much .This debate is about law about non-Hindus performing Hindu duties in temple.The debate should be whether to amend the act or not. Media show it like Hindu Vs Muslim
i have participated in gurudurawas and served in lunger many. I had visited taken Snaan Chandi devi himanchal. Mansha devi Mandir in uttarakhand as well real custodiaan never behave in such.
+Piyush Jain Since they got lot many better things to do than representing a temple function, and as a muslim he doesn't believe in our Hindu Gods, then why should he represent the festivals. One must only do what thy believes in.
At 16:20 Arnab says Muslims were allowed on Bakra Eid to do namaaz in a temple. Ask him: will any church or masjid in India or anywhere in world will allow Hindus to pray or do kirtan or bhajan ? He is conveniently overlooking hypocrisy of other religions and expect that Hindus should shamelessly repect other religions while other religions direscpect it. Sorry but Hindus want same respect and equality and wont give if not given back
Monica Arora advocate of Supreme Court at 31:00 shuts up Arnab and the grey coat stupid guy. Law doesn't allow non-Hindu to hold office position of a Hindu Temple irrespective if he/she is IAS officer, DM, public servantor whatever
Arnab shown his nervousness of not wanting to understand the subtlety between discharging duty- as an administrator of a temple and by virtue of being a DC.. pity and hope he understands legislations with more clarity in future...
Why there should be an argument about treating all Religions equally and same, of all religions ONLY Hindu temples and temple funds are controlled by the Govt.
+Dharma Teja (DT) : While I agree with you 100% on Corruption. Here are my other views - Independent Temple Management will lead to corruption is half baked argument in the sense. We have 20% Muslims (more population than entire Pakistan) and 10% of other Minorities - so put together 30% of 1.2 Billion population is equal to the population of entire Europe OR entire USA. So to assume that there is no corruption in minority governed Religious Boards of 300 Million people cannot be accepted either. Hence, the Government should put all checks and balances required and take several Peetadhipathis, Leaders, Seers from all Hindu sects and create a solid framework for transparency and governance and Let Hindus govern their own temples and their funds. In our present day framework, there is no Transparency. 28% goes for salaries of endowment departments,7% goes for providing facilities and upkeep of temples, Very Little % goes towards Government Programs. There are no records for around 38% of temple revenue collected at shrines like Tirupathi, Shirdi, Sidhi Vinayak Temple, Vaishnodevi Mandir.
I explained the solution (may not be perfect) to the problem in my last post and India can definitely find a solution to Hindu Temple Autonomy with several intellectuals involving. Here is an example of What religious autonomy can do..From the outskirts of Hyderabad Uppal to Kazipet all the road side properties are owned by Catholic missionaries who do a lot of service through Hospitals and Schools (some are free or subsidized). If Hindu temples are given autonomy they would do the same. With the current structure 38% of the Temple Revenue goes to anonymous sources. Advantages of Temple Autonomy. 1. All Religions would have been treated equally and as per constitution. 2. Temples can as well take up charitable works just like Muslims and Christians. 3. With a transparent governance 38% of money can be saved which currently is going "SOMEWHERE" Regarding Hindu religion being majority in India. Actually Hindus are third largest religious community. Christians and Muslims dominate in 1st and 2nd positions. Every year several Christian Missionaries from all over the world support Indian Churches, and Several Muslim countries from all over the world support Indian Mosques. Autonomy given to Hindu Temples would make a lot of sense as there are no foreign funds coming to support Hindu causes.
+Viplov Sen Apparaju I agree that temples should be given autonomy but remember loads of NRIs give money to Hindu temples. Those NRIs have foreign citizenship, hence they are foreigners. Also UK, USA, etc... have allowed to build temples even though they are not Hindu countries.
The point I was trying to communicate was all religions should be treated equally. Currently with meagre funds spent on Temple Towns and Historic places, all you find is mindless graffiti on religious and historic sites. Hindu Temples can develop their temple towns and historic places and they don't need government intervention. Because in 65 Years of Independence Tourism is a neglected domain. When Indian constitution proclaims about separation of Government from Religion and it is an irony that Government controls only properties and funds of Hindu Temples. It beats the very foundation of Religious Autonomy when there is none for Hindus. Hindu Culture and Cultural traditions are not supported - please compare with Communist China - they have never meddled with perpetuity of their culture. Sanskrit language debate discussion leads to fist fights on TV news shows. Hindu Temples will start their own religious schools and teach Vedas, Sanskrit just like Muslim brothers have Madarsas and Christian brothers have Bibile colleges. I hope I am not sounding offensive to any other religion.
Viplov, I see your point. I am in agreement. Only one mistake. Communist China had destroyed Confucian, Taoist and Buddhist temples during the cultural revolution. Now things are much better thank God. Anyways not that it matters. But I see your point. Temples should be made independent.
arnab says you don't own temple ,youdo'n't own religious ,you don't own indian culture ......than answerme who is owner of hindu culture ..................and hindu culture is indian culture.............only indian law hona chahiye sab 1 hi law ko follow kare.................congress ne dil kholke sare law hindu ke against khade kiye hai....vote bank ke liye aur hindu sab sote rahe ....mana ye hinduoki galti hogai hai per ab nahi....honi chahiye...............
Guys im also a hindu and i dont mind any person from any religion entering temples infact il be happy if person a person from some other religion takes interest in visiting my temple and knowing my religion. Please don't divide on basis of religion. He is a government official just doing his job. Grow up. I request Indians youth to clear this division on basis of religion. Some old people of backward mindset from their childhood have been filled with anger against religions other than his. Lets not be carrier of such mindset. Please. Jai Hind
Can a Hindu be made the chief guest in Islamic festival in Islamic States or even in India or Christian festival in Christian majority states or even in India, No, only Sindhu/Hindu/Indus/Indian civilization can show that much generosity but now a days everyone takes it for granted and by the way these VHP people don't know Hindutva also, if they even read V.D.Savarkar then they would have worked for eradicating inequalities, Hindus are by default are very argumentative people because its the traditional way of our civilization, Hindus are not like Abraham Based religious followers who are or were slaves of Mecca, Vatican, so VHP must work for real social reform instead of fighting over these trivial issues!!
What a debate ! Arnab does not want to listen anybody who is not supporting his say...Even saying to supreme court advocate Monica that you don't know law...that too when she was saying law is in front of me..( IPC Papers)....Arnab think supreme court advocate comes to debate without studying law in detail?????
+Minni Razdan With respect my friend mosque come under state waqf board, Waqf boards report to central waqf council which is based in Delhi and run by central government. And as far as poking is concerned it's his duty my friend, not his personal agenda.
+Navin Solomon Churches are controlled by Vatican. The lands under their control, they control all the resources of. Unlike temples, they don't exactly help the people of the land. Yet the government gives them a free reign. Not questioning loyal citizens like your good self, but read the book called "Breaking India"
+Javed Shaikh Nope, that's an out and out lie. WAQF board properties are controlled by WAQF board only. The assets of the Hindu temples, they're controlled by the government. They infact take away all the money and barely leave enough for maintenance of the properties. Are you saying that WAQF board gives away all its money to the government? As that would be a bald faced lie.
This is the greatness of Hindu religion that we are having such a debate and a Hindu anchor is holding on this and still people are saying Hindus are intolerant...Mr.Arnab just once you try to see the other side of the coin and you'll know where you stand
IF YOU CANNOT PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, TRY TO ATLEAST PREACH WHAT YOU PRACTICE Anupam Kher to Kanhaiya Kumars of the world: "What did you do for the poor that they get aazadi from hunger?" Kanhaiya Kumar: "I ate BEEF BIRYANI to feed THEIR hunger"!
i +Asif Awara Aise choti choti baaton ko badaa chadaake hi communl divide hota hai. India mein aur koi problem hi nahin hai kya discuss karne ke liye. Kya usmein itni 'sensation' nahi hoti ki trp acchi nahi hogi ?
+Asif Awara Divide 1947 mai ho chuka aur humari wajah se hi wapas nahi ho raha. Uss samay bhi tumhari wajah se hi hua tha, aj bhi tum hi karane ki koshish kar rahe ho. Sambhal jao abhi bhi waqt hai warna baad mai mauka bhi nahi milega sambhalne ka.
+Asif Awara Asif saab, I'm living in this district where Adoor Ibrahim is the deputy commissioner. It is we Hindus of DK who have made him the DC & we have always respected the work that he has done diligently. Now if some people feel that he should not have led the festival by taking the first dip, Don't Hindus have a right to expression ? That is my limited point & otherwise I hold Mr Ibrahim in high regard.
+Asif Awara .....shayad aap bhul rahe ho ke aap jis Arnab ko abhi messiah banane ki ya prove karne ki kosis kar rahe ho, uss bande ko aap logo ka rehnuma aur representative sahi imam - tipu sultan masjid ke imam barkati ne anti muslim bolke gaali diya tha..... aur abhi aap keh rahe ho ki vo achcha hai....chate kya ho bhai ?? If a Hindu temple do not want a muslim guy to be their host then I dont see any reason to be so shameless and demand to be in the place !!! arre bhai ... agar main nahi chata hu ki tum mere ghar aao toh tumhare andar inti khudgarzi honi chahiye ki aap mera ghar toh kya, aap mere parchai pe bhi na thooko !!! isn't it that simple ??? this Dy Dist Commisionner is shameless and these people are just trying to degrade his respect more by debating the same.
Arnab Goswami you have a problem on this one, your personal views are not in tune with the law which the panelist Monika Arora has rightly pointed out. Question this in the High Court or the Supreme Court but please don't your final verdict over the existing law.
Its really sad that these leaders are playing religion politics and spreading hatred between Hindus and muslims. Be it people from VHP or people like Owaisi..We should learn respecting law and constitution of the country above all. Respect for Mr. AB Ibrahim for his developmental works and determination.
+Severus Nobody is disrespecting Mr Ibrahim here. Looks like you never heard Ms Monika Arora. What Mr Ibrahim does is not permitted in the law. Simple.
+Severus It is true that we are human first and religion came later in our lives to dictate us the ways of leading a noble life and how to shift from rituals to spirituality. However, you must hear this debate very very carefully. The VHP and RSS people are not really objecting of Muslim DC performing his duties but they are having objection for him to lead a Hindu ceremony. You must study the history of Hindu temples after the independence. All Hindu temples are under the control of govt trusts. However, that rule does not apply to masques, Gurdwares and Churches. If these people don't raise their voices NOW, soon Hindu religion will be wiped off from the face of the Earth. . It is a very subtle war of Kurukshetra that was instigated by Krishna himself. Hindus must see that how the conspiracy of the corrupt congress ( minority pleaser) is working in a very subtle way.
There are many incidents where an hindu leader was the chief guest in many muslim festivals. Shame on these parties like VHP , RSS for degrading indian unity
Zac sh 1. What has DEMOCRACY (an ELECTORAL system that is used to vote governments to POWER and nothing more and nothing less) got to do with THIS issue?! 2. As for INDIAN, will YOU allow ANY INDIAN to SCREW YOUR WIFE?! After all, EVERY INDIAN has EQUAL RIGHTS as YOU!
Zac sh "Zach ssssshhhhhh" blew himself up and went to the XXX-rated FUN-FILLED paradise where he was greeted by 72 UGLIEST SKANKS who no man has ever laid his eyes upon. A bemused Allah says to the amused "Zach ssssshhhhh": "Why do you think they are still VIRGINS!?"!
so does the muslim deputy commissioner comes with shoes, and behaves like a sulthan and doesn't bow before the god or he does not bow before the god? if he does not come as a devotee in side the temple, he can not be allowed. even arnab will not be allowed if he comes in shoes inside the temple.
This pseudo secular, pseudo feminist arnav was not ready to accept the legal argument raised by a sc lawyer and was demeaning it. he even shouted her down a several times and raised his voice over her inspite of her telling him not to. in other programes he behaves as if he is the 'messiah' for women but when it comes down to practising the same, he fails and that too miserably.
Why People are discussing the matters without knowing the actual facts. Here devotees are opposing mentioning of Name of DC. not his position. they should accept the faiths of devotees & should not comment on considering it as a general matter. Are those who are supporting the mentioning of DC's name ready to accept the same thing for others. Will others accept the same thing & ready to lead by some other religions. If they are not ready; then why are they supporting his decision. People should not comment based on political views. it should be purely base on religious views. if a law can be used to defend some issues on particular religion why not on others.
+Charan Kumar Let RSS control the administration of the mosques as Mr Ratan Sharda said & lead the religious processions of the muslims. Then we will see what this pseudo intelligent Arnab, Saad Bin Jung, Former Cricketer Kamaal Farooqui say. RSS are also Indians. So why not they deal with the mosque funds & lead the muslim festivals, Mr Junk & Farooqui ? All are bigots.
Congress ne hamesha hindus ke khilaf kaam kiya hai aur saare muslim-dalit vote bank politics walo ne aur bhi ghatiya harkate ki hai... ye ek sach hai... lekin ye vhp ke chootiyo ko kaun samjhaye ki agar koi law wali problem hai to change ke liye appeal kare, aise drama karke koi fayda nahi hoga ulta right wing hindus badnaam hote hai. Sab jante hai kya kya problem hai, aur kya galat ho raha hai hindus ke sath shitcularism ke naam pe. lekin jo vhp wale karte hai vo thik nahi hai. This is not the way. They should rather focus on exposing the wrong things done by shitculars. Kaash vhp ki baagdor kisi samajhdaar insaan ke haath me hoti.
if a person is performing his duty then what is the problem just that he is muslim. there are some frige elements on each religion and we have our own thinking so we should be rise above this and think of other issues.. daily we see the debates on these kinds of issues.. kbi kisis hindu leader ne bol diya kbi kisi muslim leader ne kuch bol diya.. they r just making their votebanks. the mai issues to be debated are poverty, unemployment, developement farmer's sucide and what are we doing.. fighting on relegion cast nd dalit botebank.. shame on every leader who use relegion nd musl votebank for their purpose..
For all those who still think that Arnab goshwami doesn't give a chance for other speakers to say something in The Newshour Deabte. Well.. it's a debate for god's sake not saturday night live. peace :)
What they are demanding is quiet valid. I don't know why Arnab always try to create a bad picture of Hindu groups , they are not against any religion they just follow their with great believe in that. I am not agree with Arnab form of secularism.
it seems like the whole thing is situates just to create a contravene can any one tell me is is not really inevitable? was that not every one every time is used to do before than why to create tension
People of South Canara actually don't care about all these issues. They will accept whatever the laws say. Why are you so much worried about this..? Everything is normal over there. This is one of the debate which doesn't have enough information and intention. Truly flopped Debate.
Definitely i think he should be allowed to perform his duties , i am not against him in any manner . But under the current law since he has been forbidden to do so, he should step aside. Also i think it is high time that we change such stupid laws , and bring a Uniform Civil Code without such laws which discriminate on basis of religion.
Hindus always allowed muslims to do nawaaz in their shops, pandaals etc etc never any such incident from muslims. Why always Hindus have to understand, keep calm and also apologise for everything. Minority my foot, all must be treated equally, now when Hindus raise their voice, it must be heard by all.
what a crap topic and a useless discussion .... let the followers of a particular sect follow their own religion ... intervention is not at all acceptable ... should we accept the the cow slaughter at a temple understanding that someone wants to exercise the right to freedom .... i think that respecting each other faith and religion should be followed rather than making any issue out of nothing ...
Arnab Goswami is true nationlist and secular Indian
+Boss Singh
He's good on some topics considering nationalism, but he's far from secular. He's also quite pro christians and muslims than being fair and balanced. When he does videos discussing deaths of several RSS workers at hands of local muslims, than merely a muslim IAS officer not being allowed in temple, may be i will revise my opinion. So far though, he's not exactly secular.
+Mohammad Luchchaa interesting profile name u have
dileep kumar
Isn't it?
this didnt age well😂
Muslim or Hindu both r human.
I know,you can do everything mentioned above :-)
Not a single vhp/rrs man went on to become IAS.
+mir masud ali
May be because the quota system keeps out the more talented people. You do have about 70% quota in government jobs you know. Yet many more Hindus get in there, compared to your treacherous lot. Why else do you hate the hindus?
Sorry i don't hate hindus.i have grown and lived amongst them.90%are my hindu friends and welwishers.
during my childhood we used to celebrate all the festivals together, used to have fun and smiles all around. It's fucked up now looks like, division and exclusion.
The Sangh Parivar are India's shame
R u from West bengal? ??
+dileep kumar No. How does it even matter? Do you wish to stereotype Bengalis?
+Raghuvansh Rai hahaha "get an education" "semi literate".. where you got these.. u spelled only b....d word properly that is what u learned in school n college.
Ooy we are Indian we speak first India Language okk , we not son of British like u ....chutiya
+maddy kk Fucking excuses! Cheap bastard
Once Arnab goswami was unbiased TV anchor.
Bjp, RSS, BJP will never allow Muslims and Hindus to come together
RSS = riots
VHP is not hindu. We are not guided by them. We are not fanatic. don't worry, we wil be together.
DUDE ITS NOT THE BJP .... ITS BASICALLY FEW ANTI NATIONAL ELEMENTS WHO LIKE TO BE IN SPOTLIGHT ALWAYS.... THEY ARE THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITES OF OUR TIME.
God bless u n thx for guidance Amen
you people are not that naive as you show yourself...........its not India but whole world having problem with you....don't blame RSS
Question to VHP and RSS... What happen to your ghar wapasi... as Muslim he wants to join the procession Now you Deny... You people never do good to your people nor either other Community people....
why not ghar wapsi... tell me....when all hindus are being converted to Christians
+ReALiTy BiTeS are you stupid ? All Hindus??????????????????
***** WTF... What do you mean bhai ghar wapasi....? when you say I am a hindu... Be Proud What you are.... He Is Muslim and he is Proud what he is......! agar he Convert than will you look after him and his family and his expenses... No you can't do that....! so Shut your ass and do what your spouse to do ...
chauvinistic indian wohi bolraha hoon... Tumari bahen Meri Maa Hai... Jo Karna hai ley Karlo...
Haha, someone apply water to chauvinistic indian's burns lol
Just reverse the situation. A hindu IAS officer to facilitate a mosque function. Now lets watch the tolerance?
First off hindus only will say mosque jihad
In this Arnab is 101% true
i dont understand our media and arnab pampering "Muslim" so much .This debate is about law about non-Hindus performing Hindu duties in temple.The debate should be whether to amend the act or not.
Media show it like Hindu Vs Muslim
salute Ibrahim sir
i have participated in gurudurawas and served in lunger many. I had visited taken Snaan Chandi devi himanchal. Mansha devi Mandir in uttarakhand as well real custodiaan never behave in such.
My name is kamran,I am pakistani
Ratan sharda and VHP has valid argument.
By all means Ratan Sharda is 100 percent right....IAS officers need not represent Hindu temple and its functions.
+hoo was why not
+Piyush Jain Since they got lot many better things to do than representing a temple function, and as a muslim he doesn't believe in our Hindu Gods, then why should he represent the festivals. One must only do what thy believes in.
+Piyush Jain Because it is not valid within the premise of our constitution. Additionally no other religions permits to do the same.
I request #ArnabGoswami to return back to #TimesNow . And stop running #RepublicTv
Arab Goswamy got castrated 😢😢😢
At 16:20 Arnab says Muslims were allowed on Bakra Eid to do namaaz in a temple. Ask him: will any church or masjid in India or anywhere in world will allow Hindus to pray or do kirtan or bhajan ? He is conveniently overlooking hypocrisy of other religions and expect that Hindus should shamelessly repect other religions while other religions direscpect it. Sorry but Hindus want same respect and equality and wont give if not given back
12:16 - Kamaal Farooqi must be like " Why the hell did I come here" :P
Arnab mistakenly says "Mr. Ibrahim" instead "Mr. Bansal" at 23:10
haaahha .. r u a video editor? ?
+dileep kumar y wud u say that
Monica Arora advocate of Supreme Court at 31:00 shuts up Arnab and the grey coat stupid guy. Law doesn't allow non-Hindu to hold office position of a Hindu Temple irrespective if he/she is IAS officer, DM, public servantor whatever
India is multi religious nation. but some Brahmanwadi don't want peace in India since British government time
Arnab shown his nervousness of not wanting to understand the subtlety between discharging duty- as an administrator of a temple and by virtue of being a DC.. pity and hope he understands legislations with more clarity in future...
Can we just stop Debates on religious issues...sick of watching them...Instead of uniting people...its dividing them...
+neha k and they invite idiots to discuss
+Sunil Sharma very true.
panel: boww whoow boww bowww bhooww whoo
IPS Ibrahim: Hello
panel: boww whoow wowww wbhowww
IpS Ibrahim: hello, hello :D
People are harmonious but media and politics are harmious
It was funny that they brought Kamal Farooqui to the debate 😂😂😂😂
Why there should be an argument about treating all Religions equally and same, of all religions ONLY Hindu temples and temple funds are controlled by the Govt.
+Dharma Teja (DT) : While I agree with you 100% on Corruption. Here are my other views - Independent Temple Management will lead to corruption is half baked argument in the sense. We have 20% Muslims (more population than entire Pakistan) and 10% of other Minorities - so put together 30% of 1.2 Billion population is equal to the population of entire Europe OR entire USA. So to assume that there is no corruption in minority governed Religious Boards of 300 Million people cannot be accepted either.
Hence, the Government should put all checks and balances required and take several Peetadhipathis, Leaders, Seers from all Hindu sects and create a solid framework for transparency and governance and Let Hindus govern their own temples and their funds.
In our present day framework, there is no Transparency. 28% goes for salaries of endowment departments,7% goes for providing facilities and upkeep of temples, Very Little % goes towards Government Programs. There are no records for around 38% of temple revenue collected at shrines like Tirupathi, Shirdi, Sidhi Vinayak Temple, Vaishnodevi Mandir.
I explained the solution (may not be perfect) to the problem in my last post and India can definitely find a solution to Hindu Temple Autonomy with several intellectuals involving.
Here is an example of What religious autonomy can do..From the outskirts of Hyderabad Uppal to Kazipet all the road side properties are owned by Catholic missionaries who do a lot of service through Hospitals and Schools (some are free or subsidized). If Hindu temples are given autonomy they would do the same. With the current structure 38% of the Temple Revenue goes to anonymous sources.
Advantages of Temple Autonomy.
1. All Religions would have been treated equally and as per constitution.
2. Temples can as well take up charitable works just like Muslims and Christians.
3. With a transparent governance 38% of money can be saved which currently is going "SOMEWHERE"
Regarding Hindu religion being majority in India. Actually Hindus are third largest religious community. Christians and Muslims dominate in 1st and 2nd positions. Every year several Christian Missionaries from all over the world support Indian Churches, and Several Muslim countries from all over the world support Indian Mosques. Autonomy given to Hindu Temples would make a lot of sense as there are no foreign funds coming to support Hindu causes.
+Viplov Sen Apparaju I agree that temples should be given autonomy but remember loads of NRIs give money to Hindu temples. Those NRIs have foreign citizenship, hence they are foreigners. Also UK, USA, etc... have allowed to build temples even though they are not Hindu countries.
The point I was trying to communicate was all religions should be treated equally. Currently with meagre funds spent on Temple Towns and Historic places, all you find is mindless graffiti on religious and historic sites. Hindu Temples can develop their temple towns and historic places and they don't need government intervention. Because in 65 Years of Independence Tourism is a neglected domain. When Indian constitution proclaims about separation of Government from Religion and it is an irony that Government controls only properties and funds of Hindu Temples. It beats the very foundation of Religious Autonomy when there is none for Hindus.
Hindu Culture and Cultural traditions are not supported - please compare with Communist China - they have never meddled with perpetuity of their culture. Sanskrit language debate discussion leads to fist fights on TV news shows. Hindu Temples will start their own religious schools and teach Vedas, Sanskrit just like Muslim brothers have Madarsas and Christian brothers have Bibile colleges. I hope I am not sounding offensive to any other religion.
Viplov, I see your point. I am in agreement. Only one mistake. Communist China had destroyed Confucian, Taoist and Buddhist temples during the cultural revolution. Now things are much better thank God. Anyways not that it matters.
But I see your point. Temples should be made independent.
There is not a single educated person in RSS and VHP, that's the problem.
arnab says you don't own temple ,youdo'n't own religious ,you don't own indian culture ......than answerme who is owner of hindu culture ..................and hindu culture is indian culture.............only indian law hona chahiye sab 1 hi law ko follow kare.................congress ne dil kholke sare law hindu ke against khade kiye hai....vote bank ke liye aur hindu sab sote rahe ....mana ye hinduoki galti hogai hai per ab nahi....honi chahiye...............
You r right...Bahut hua Hindu par atyachaar, ab se har baar Modi Sarkaar.
rt
+Zatpatkhana patel why not changing the law bjp . its only for vote bank
Arnab is the best journalist I have ever seen.
Guys im also a hindu and i dont mind any person from any religion entering temples infact il be happy if person a person from some other religion takes interest in visiting my temple and knowing my religion. Please don't divide on basis of religion. He is a government official just doing his job. Grow up. I request Indians youth to clear this division on basis of religion. Some old people of backward mindset from their childhood have been filled with anger against religions other than his. Lets not be carrier of such mindset. Please. Jai Hind
Can a Hindu be made the chief guest in Islamic festival in Islamic States or even in India or Christian festival in Christian majority states or even in India, No, only Sindhu/Hindu/Indus/Indian civilization can show that much generosity but now a days everyone takes it for granted and by the way these VHP people don't know Hindutva also, if they even read V.D.Savarkar then they would have worked for eradicating inequalities, Hindus are by default are very argumentative people because its the traditional way of our civilization, Hindus are not like Abraham Based religious followers who are or were slaves of Mecca, Vatican, so VHP must work for real social reform instead of fighting over these trivial issues!!
What a debate ! Arnab does not want to listen anybody who is not supporting his say...Even saying to supreme court advocate Monica that you don't know law...that too when she was saying law is in front of me..( IPC Papers)....Arnab think supreme court advocate comes to debate without studying law in detail?????
i was not expecting this from RSS.
Well done Arnab. You really made these goons of VHP and RSS to shut their mouths. They are spreading hatred in the name of religion
Why the commissioner is so anxious to poke his nose into our Hindu festival??? Can a Hindu Commissioner demand such thing from a Muslim masque??
+Navin Solomon agree 100%
+Minni Razdan With respect my friend mosque come under state waqf board, Waqf boards report to central waqf council which is based in Delhi and run by central government. And as far as poking is concerned it's his duty my friend, not his personal agenda.
+Pappu Sharma Because too much tolerance is taken as cowardliness.
+Navin Solomon
Churches are controlled by Vatican. The lands under their control, they control all the resources of. Unlike temples, they don't exactly help the people of the land. Yet the government gives them a free reign.
Not questioning loyal citizens like your good self, but read the book called "Breaking India"
+Javed Shaikh
Nope, that's an out and out lie. WAQF board properties are controlled by WAQF board only. The assets of the Hindu temples, they're controlled by the government. They infact take away all the money and barely leave enough for maintenance of the properties. Are you saying that WAQF board gives away all its money to the government? As that would be a bald faced lie.
This is the greatness of Hindu religion that we are having such a debate and a Hindu anchor is holding on this and still people are saying Hindus are intolerant...Mr.Arnab just once you try to see the other side of the coin and you'll know where you stand
Arnab Goswami is running a falacious and prejudiced debate. The law is clear: non-Hindus cannot control their festivals, rituals, temples, donations.
arnab goswami you are bolded out by Bansalji and Aroraji.
Don't call odd people into debate for spoiling the reputation of any Religion. Please.
Next time he will say to the chief justice that I know more law than you. Please don't teach me the law.
Shame on vhp goons
RSS and VHP divide Hindu and Muslim rest in peace your game is at end!!! Why don’t we Indian people welcome everyone who where whom to worship!?
Media is really making this country situation from bad to worst
IF YOU CANNOT PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH, TRY TO ATLEAST PREACH WHAT YOU PRACTICE
Anupam Kher to Kanhaiya Kumars of the world: "What did you do for the poor that they get aazadi from hunger?"
Kanhaiya Kumar: "I ate BEEF BIRYANI to feed THEIR hunger"!
Arnab you are not the last word for all knowledge and information.
being a RSS member I would have welcomed this step by DC Ibrahim. i can't understand what's wrong in it. Hinduism welcomes everybody...
Political leaders have hosted iftar parties during Ramadhan . That is same here should not be a problem.
+samin096 Hosting ramadan is not the same as administering a religious instituion (like mosque, temple or church).
Arnab never tells what is the real objection of VHP N BJP. VHP n BJP only want Mr. Ibhrahim shall be invited as Guest not host. Law says the same.
Bharat mataa ki......
there u go .!!!!.thats my buddy mr arnab a true....best Indian ever ....salute u sir awesome
People in the comments section should all visit and live in foreign countries to get a feel of how it feels to be a minority.
Let a Hindu IAS officer be appointed for a masjid administration.
VHP, RSS n all are threat to India. today it got clear by Times now.
Na Hindu sey hai,
Na Musalmano sey hai,
is desh ko khtra in beymaano sey hai.
Arnab says at 38:00 to Supreme Court lawyer Ms Monica Arora that he has got better understanding of law then her. LOLLZ
bakbass topic
Why doesn't Mr Ibrahim had installed CCtv in all masjid's & record the prayers, presiding's? & translate it.
I am Indian, that is our proud.peace i is mainly thing
Mr dileep Kumar just go to world survey Regarding women's rights where the women's are safe and happy
Arnab, why do you divide the country into Hindus & muslims ? Why don't you leave to others ?
i +Asif Awara Aise choti choti baaton ko badaa chadaake hi communl divide hota hai. India mein aur koi problem hi nahin hai kya discuss karne ke liye. Kya usmein itni 'sensation' nahi hoti ki trp acchi nahi hogi ?
+Asif Awara Divide 1947 mai ho chuka aur humari wajah se hi wapas nahi ho raha. Uss samay bhi tumhari wajah se hi hua tha, aj bhi tum hi karane ki koshish kar rahe ho. Sambhal jao abhi bhi waqt hai warna baad mai mauka bhi nahi milega sambhalne ka.
+Asif Awara Asif saab, I'm living in this district where Adoor Ibrahim is the deputy commissioner. It is we Hindus of DK who have made him the DC & we have always respected the work that he has done diligently. Now if some people feel that he should not have led the festival by taking the first dip, Don't Hindus have a right to expression ? That is my limited point & otherwise I hold Mr Ibrahim in high regard.
+Kaushal Sharma Sorry. Maine comment delete kar chuka hai.
+Asif Awara .....shayad aap bhul rahe ho ke aap jis Arnab ko abhi messiah banane ki ya prove karne ki kosis kar rahe ho, uss bande ko aap logo ka rehnuma aur representative sahi imam - tipu sultan masjid ke imam barkati ne anti muslim bolke gaali diya tha..... aur abhi aap keh rahe ho ki vo achcha hai....chate kya ho bhai ??
If a Hindu temple do not want a muslim guy to be their host then I dont see any reason to be so shameless and demand to be in the place !!!
arre bhai ... agar main nahi chata hu ki tum mere ghar aao toh tumhare andar inti khudgarzi honi chahiye ki aap mera ghar toh kya, aap mere parchai pe bhi na thooko !!! isn't it that simple ??? this Dy Dist
Commisionner is shameless and these people are just trying to degrade his respect more by debating the same.
I wonder what ms Arora doing in Supreme Court as a advocate !!! She has got the law and intention look complete absurdity .
How about appointing hindu ias for all Islamic and Christian matters
he is the public servent
ENOUGH with fringe of all types.
Arnab Goswami you have a problem on this one, your personal views are not in tune with the law which the panelist Monika Arora has rightly pointed out. Question this in the High Court or the Supreme Court but please don't your final verdict over the existing law.
Good job mr arnab
karnataka has a Congress govt..that explains why this question popped up..and the question is true..why control only temples??
Its really sad that these leaders are playing religion politics and spreading hatred between Hindus and muslims. Be it people from VHP or people like Owaisi..We should learn respecting law and constitution of the country above all. Respect for Mr. AB Ibrahim for his developmental works and determination.
+Severus Nobody is disrespecting Mr Ibrahim here. Looks like you never heard Ms Monika Arora. What Mr Ibrahim does is not permitted in the law. Simple.
+Severus It is true that we are human first and religion came later in our lives to dictate us the ways of leading a noble life and how to shift from rituals to spirituality. However, you must hear this debate very very carefully. The VHP and RSS people are not really objecting of Muslim DC performing his duties but they are having objection for him to lead a Hindu ceremony. You must study the history of Hindu temples after the independence. All Hindu temples are under the control of govt trusts. However, that rule does not apply to masques, Gurdwares and Churches. If these people don't raise their voices NOW, soon Hindu religion will be wiped off from the face of the Earth. . It is a very subtle war of Kurukshetra that was instigated by Krishna himself. Hindus must see that how the conspiracy of the corrupt congress ( minority pleaser) is working in a very subtle way.
paid media making issue out of nothing or its time to mature our media houses you cannot make every topic negative.
There are many incidents where an hindu leader was the chief guest in many muslim festivals. Shame on these parties like VHP , RSS for degrading indian unity
+Zac sh Didn't your professor teach you the basic difference between being a CHIEF GUEST, an ADMINISTRATOR and a FULL-TIME TEMPLE COMMITTEE MEMBER?!
indian2012
Did your school teacher teach you the meaning of word DEMOCRACY and INDIAN?
Zac sh 1. What has DEMOCRACY (an ELECTORAL system that is used to vote governments to POWER and nothing more and nothing less) got to do with THIS issue?!
2. As for INDIAN, will YOU allow ANY INDIAN to SCREW YOUR WIFE?! After all, EVERY INDIAN has EQUAL RIGHTS as YOU!
Zac sh "Zach ssssshhhhhh" blew himself up and went to the XXX-rated FUN-FILLED paradise where he was greeted by 72 UGLIEST SKANKS who no man has ever laid his eyes upon.
A bemused Allah says to the amused "Zach ssssshhhhh": "Why do you think they are still VIRGINS!?"!
Is it possible for a Hindu to host a Muslim festival in India?
why one need to appoint other religion person in different religious rituals.
why you always use the debate that break Hindu Muslim bond
It's more like a comedy show..! :-D
great host
so does the muslim deputy commissioner comes with shoes, and behaves like a sulthan and doesn't bow before the god or he does not bow before the god? if he does not come as a devotee in side the temple, he can not be allowed. even arnab will not be allowed if he comes in shoes inside the temple.
unity is great
Now arnab changed
They should do that.
Arnab u r amazing man, hahahahaahahahahaha. totally on fire, I like ur style of being logical and educated about law. awesome,keep it up.
This pseudo secular, pseudo feminist arnav was not ready to accept the legal argument raised by a sc lawyer and was demeaning it. he even shouted her down a several times and raised his voice over her inspite of her telling him not to. in other programes he behaves as if he is the 'messiah' for women but when it comes down to practising the same, he fails and that too miserably.
+Kaushal Sharma Exactly. If women do not toe his line, he'll shout them down.
Why People are discussing the matters without knowing the actual facts. Here devotees are opposing mentioning of Name of DC. not his position. they should accept the faiths of devotees & should not comment on considering it as a general matter. Are those who are supporting the mentioning of DC's name ready to accept the same thing for others. Will others accept the same thing & ready to lead by some other religions. If they are not ready; then why are they supporting his decision. People should not comment based on political views. it should be purely base on religious views. if a law can be used to defend some issues on particular religion why not on others.
+Charan Kumar Let RSS control the administration of the mosques as Mr Ratan Sharda said & lead the religious processions of the muslims. Then we will see what this pseudo intelligent Arnab, Saad Bin Jung, Former Cricketer Kamaal Farooqui say. RSS are also Indians. So why not they deal with the mosque funds & lead the muslim festivals, Mr Junk & Farooqui ? All are bigots.
arnab ji less shouting can heighten the program creditably, listen to what others say
openly practicing communalism and equally abusing Secularism is getting to be the real pigments of some self claiming Bhagwa Flag holders.
Congress ne hamesha hindus ke khilaf kaam kiya hai aur saare muslim-dalit vote bank politics walo ne aur bhi ghatiya harkate ki hai... ye ek sach hai... lekin ye vhp ke chootiyo ko kaun samjhaye ki agar koi law wali problem hai to change ke liye appeal kare, aise drama karke koi fayda nahi hoga ulta right wing hindus badnaam hote hai. Sab jante hai kya kya problem hai, aur kya galat ho raha hai hindus ke sath shitcularism ke naam pe. lekin jo vhp wale karte hai vo thik nahi hai. This is not the way. They should rather focus on exposing the wrong things done by shitculars.
Kaash vhp ki baagdor kisi samajhdaar insaan ke haath me hoti.
Let's pass resolution that ban any religion in the country. And only consider the constitute as a religion.
if all mosque with Muslim, if all church with Christin, let the temples with Hindu , not with government
True. but temples r commercialised by government. like tirupati. n kanchi. thats what cheap politics bhai.
actually they were owned by Hindus people , due to over corruption , Hindu people only filed case and asked government to take over the temple .
if a person is performing his duty then what is the problem just that he is muslim. there are some frige elements on each religion and we have our own thinking so we should be rise above this and think of other issues.. daily we see the debates on these kinds of issues.. kbi kisis hindu leader ne bol diya kbi kisi muslim leader ne kuch bol diya.. they r just making their votebanks. the mai issues to be debated are poverty, unemployment, developement farmer's sucide and what are we doing.. fighting on relegion cast nd dalit botebank.. shame on every leader who use relegion nd musl votebank for their purpose..
For all those who still think that Arnab goshwami doesn't give a chance for other speakers to say something in The Newshour Deabte. Well.. it's a debate for god's sake not saturday night live. peace :)
What they are demanding is quiet valid. I don't know why Arnab always try to create a bad picture of Hindu groups , they are not against any religion they just follow their with great believe in that. I am not agree with Arnab form of secularism.
it seems like the whole thing is situates just to create a contravene can any one tell me is is not really inevitable? was that not every one every time is used to do before than why to create tension
People of South Canara actually don't care about all these issues. They will accept whatever the laws say. Why are you so much worried about this..? Everything is normal over there.
This is one of the debate which doesn't have enough information and intention. Truly flopped Debate.
look at all the hindu supremacists crying in this comments section.
+anirudhk217 Same is true in non-hundu people behavior.
Definitely i think he should be allowed to perform his duties , i am not against him in any manner . But under the current law since he has been forbidden to do so, he should step aside. Also i think it is high time that we change such stupid laws , and bring a Uniform Civil Code without such laws which discriminate on basis of religion.
Hindus always allowed muslims to do nawaaz in their shops, pandaals etc etc never any such incident from muslims. Why always Hindus have to understand, keep calm and also apologise for everything. Minority my foot, all must be treated equally, now when Hindus raise their voice, it must be heard by all.
vhp & rss want separate only Hindu nation.
Arnab is shamelessly accusing genetleman from VHP of intolerance. Where did bansal talk in an impolite way to IAS officer ?
Pura expose karunga aaj 😁😁😁
what a crap topic and a useless discussion .... let the followers of a particular sect follow their own religion ... intervention is not at all acceptable ... should we accept the the cow slaughter at a temple understanding that someone wants to exercise the right to freedom .... i think that respecting each other faith and religion should be followed rather than making any issue out of nothing ...
Arnab it is justifiable only if a Majistrate from Hindu community can carryout the same duties for Masjid and Churches