Argentinian Workhorse | Tanque Argentino Mediano (TAM)
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2020
- The Tanque Argentino Mediano (TAM) has, since the early ’80s, equipped the forces of the Ejército Argentino [Eng. Argentinian Army]. Designed and developed by the West German company of Thyssen-Henschel, the TAM’s history is full of inconsistencies and exaggerations, primarily the fact that it is an Argentinian indigenous tank. Whilst some important components have been produced in Argentina and most assembly took place there, too much of it is dependent on foreign companies to consider it fully indigenous.
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An article by Gareth Lynn Montes
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a heavier version was planned. named tap. (tanque argentino pesado).
it was planned weight upwards of 40t, using the base of a vca palmaria (a longer tam with an extra road wheel). guns considered were a longer 105 l7, or a 120mm (probably rheinmetal L44)
the turret in the blueprints looked kinda like the one on leo 2a4
Argentinian technicians; with names like Heinrich Cordoba or Gunther Ramirez, or Hans Sanchez, I bet.😁
Jajaja no solo EEUU se aprovecho de los técnicos e ingenieros alemanes durante y después de la segunda guerra mundial , ARGENTINA , Brasil etc
lmao.
Nazies. just like the U.S brought boatload over.
Da kannst du von ausgehen.
That‘s a big one! Really informative!👌🏼
It really is! Thank you for the kind words!
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT I love the film work, really well done, it conveys context an sense," a bit of Third worlds silliness "..its sloth an corruption..an thanks for bring it up to date an current..Cheers .
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Can you do about GKN Simba?
Thank you for bringing me here!
Thanks for this video!
you know it's gonna be good when they pronounce something in spanish correctly
Great background infomation
Glad you liked it!
Great video
Sir we dont know exactly how to construct tanks!
Ok call the germans!
Por lo menos intentaron hacer sus propios tanques ,estados unidos le compraba las chatarras de mark a reino unido jaja
Dl-43 Nahuel: cállate
@@fernandomiranda4749 Es que si los gringos hacian algo, el proyecto se llenaba tanto de corrupción que terminaban inflando el precio de producción. Al menos asi les paso con el F-35, lol.
It was a local call the Germans were already there.
I didn't know Argentina offered to sell TAMSE tooling to Taiwan.
'Too bad it was five years too late. 450 CM11s still left a lot of pseudo-M48A3s to be replaced, and the ROCA only had access to the M60A3TTS after the end of the Cold War.
Good work. But still there is a lot of info wrong:
5:30 The TAM project is from 1974. 5 years earlier than 1979.
6:00 The first german company was Henschel, later the Tyssen was introduced in this project.
8:00 The TH-301 was the result of the TH-300 modifications by EA and TH. Argentina adopted the earlier model TH-301-105 as TAM-3/TAM-4 and TH improved its model for further export market (better engine, armour, 120mm gun, etc.).
15:20 The TAM used german guns in the first prototypes, later adopted an M68 version from Israel and the third batch was a local model based in the german design.
Hello Ivan,
There is a lot of contradicting information out there on the TAM project. We have based our article and video on the sources presented in the description, which we feel are the best available on the topic.
Could you, please, indicate what information source you use for your claims?
All the best
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT the cannon mounted is called FM K.4 Modelo 1. (fm stands for "fabricaciones militares", a state owned factory) it´s basically a licenced l7, but i think it was modified pre production, i cant tell what those mods were, but i think the cannon is shorter.
one of the reasons that amx30 and leo1 didnt fit argentinas needs, was the weight. due to infrastructure and soil back then. no source here, just the words from a former tam gunner.
Ivan, You might wish to re check your facts their again son..remember always be careful when your trying to smug...
@@reserva120 Research was evidently lacking. What statement do you think I expressed as a lie or in a failed or incomplete way? Maybe you are just trolling.
Amazing article ! Can't wait to have feature lenght TE article readings xd
Unfortunately none of your articles are scheduled yet, but they will be soon! And thank you for the kind words!
Good but a little long . I felt like I was in church as a kid. I was hyper active so you can imagine. You didn’t miss anything though . Good job 👍🏼
Good article. But the footage at 26:00 is from the attack at "La Tablada" barracks in 1989, when a communist group tried to seize some tanks, in the footage you can see infantry entering while taking cover from the terrorists who were inside the buildings. About the Carapintadas rebellion of 1990 and the TAMS´s action you may find this footage interesting: ua-cam.com/video/BKLKLhcQ0bs/v-deo.html It shows the Romero Mundani column at 2: 45. He was in the last VCTM that can be seen in the video i linked
Expensive mbt targets
Not really, MBTs cant hit targets several hundred kilometers away from them. Nor they can hit them from the bottom of a river.
The back ground footage is wonderfully bizarre and random thru most of this thing.
Why
I didn't realize at that time you had to buy Sherman's.
Weren't they mostly giving them away.
Prices were close enough to giving them away.
@@legbreaker2762
Good point...
next to free.
27:23 I thought some of the video was pretty random.... but a Christie? Inserted HERE? Why?
edit: Nvm. The randomness progresses to the extreme after this point. I guess there just isn't much video that would actually be appropriate, se we're just getting video Tank Muzak to accompany the text.
Damn, Peron splurged like a be rapper in a cheap jewellers.
Desert Storm would Have went Differently if Saddam Got these. He still would have lost, but the coalition might have suffered some serious casualties with infantry and armor.
Not really. It'd be the same
why you mispronunce the wors that contain C like it does in italian
At 35mm, the sides and rear of the turret are ridiculously thin. Even the front, with its 50 mm, is a real joke.
At that time it was the general conception of a medium tank, Ex: leopar 1
@@Laugy3700 I am comparing it to the standard of 1941. Think of the German Panzer 3 and 4.
@@reportofficer2524 but for 1941 50 and 35mm or armour is perfectly fine.
@@hanfpeter2822 The tank was from the 80s. Imagine. This is that I am really referring to.
@@---ii8hl Armored warfare in WW2 developed all sorts of tactics, over time. This included moving from a position to another. The Argentinians simply tried to commission something affordable. When the Argentinian tank started there existed much better armoured American, Soviet, and British tanks. Think of the M1 Abrams, the T72, and the Challenger 1. They T72, was the lightest of the three, but all of these tanks were much heavier than the Argentinian tank. And trust me, they were all very, very mobile. The M1 had a speed of about 47 miles an hour. Check Wikipedia, for instance. The only tank that was designed to follow the tactic you mentioned was the crappy French AMX. It was not widely exported.
Hello? :)
What the US wartime propaganda films have to do with this subject escapes me
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I'ts not true that Argentina had "strong sympathy for Germany". Maybe some some people in the army (which up until 1946 were in charge of the country under a dictatorship) sympathized with them (definitely not all of them though) but, besides that, most of the population sympathized with the Allies. The only volunteers that fought in WW2 did so under the RAF. Argentina had, and still has, a *huge* Jewish community as well.
The "Argentina is pro German" meme is only a meme, or, it was only based on the whims of a Government no one elected. It's true that Perón facilitated the entry into the country of high ranking criminals like Eichmann and Mengele, but he did so secretly, and the overwhelming majority of the country was neutral and leaning towards support for the Allies.
its curious that we declared war to the axis but then we got Perón ruling the country.
Fun fact: he was a facist, also, the soldiers uniform during ww2 period in Argentina looked almost the same as the german uniform
The german looking uniform appeared long time ago from that. Argentina and Chile started accepted to have influence on their respectivamente armies from the German Empire of Otto Von Bismark. The time passed and both countries adaptado their uniforms to look like german uniforms to keep the influence
why were you showing russian tanks
This tank was good for it’s time and for the Argentine army’s requirements but now it’s a driving death trap especially with Chile having leopard 2A4’s and Brazil having leopard 1’s and m60A3 Patton tanks
there is No , zero , milarite systems of any kind left in Argentina ..its army " Hi paid under worked , always consider a joke in South America is expensive an non trained , its Navy an Air Force have literally cease to exist ..
@@reserva120 that is very true the Argentine economy is always on bath salts and is unstable to say the least and then you add in corruption and a government that would give any communist government a run for there money in the economic sense it is not at all surprising how the Argentina’s armed force are a laughing stock
The TAM is vastly superior to the Leopard 1 and M-60s. Is 30 years newer with better Fire Control System, sights, laser range finder and much more power to weight ratio giving better mobility. Non of them can resist a shot from the other.
If the TAM2C is completed, the adding of thermals and digital FCS from the Merkava IV by Elbit will make it the most modern in terms of equipment.
Still can't resist any shot, but it can detect and engage first and from longer distances.
The latest israeli 105 sabot can actually penetrate the Leopard IIA4 of Chile in the frontal hull at 3km, not the turret though.
Fun fact, the 105 mm have better accuracy and better energy retention over 2 km ranges. The 120 mm is more powerful, but the accuracy drops exponentially at over 3 km while the 105 can still have less than 40 cm of deviation at over 4 km, the 120 mm gives a 1 meter deviation at over 4 km.
Under 2 km the 120 punchs harder, over 3 km the 105 can actually keep its penetration capacity while the 120 mm loses energy fast.
@@Argentvs see, your being stupid, your taking the 40 year old TAM design an saying its brilliant compared to the Leo 1 M60.. but if either those tanks are in their Aftermarket upgraded Marks they are in fact vastly superiors.. An unlike the vast Sloth an corruption of Argentina at every level ( poor lazy workers to high ranking officials) The Leo 1 an M60 have been in fact upgraded by less corrupt nations an are ready in service..So you see how stupid an lazy your comment is when you really think about it?
@@reserva120 So resorting to stereotypes and insults?, way to argument, clear character show off.
None of those updates you speak of have been issued to south american Leos and M60s. Both tanks are at least 20 years older than the TAM with 1960s FCS against a german 1980s (basically the TAM has the same technology in the FCS as the Leopard II A3).
None of those updates allow the tanks to resist a 105mm gun shot. They are add on armor packages against HEAT warheads.
The TAM is receiving an upgrade with the Israeli Merkava IV systems by Elbit.
The M60 is an inneficient tank overweight with low power to weight ratio and poor mobility with short range and slugy. The Leopard I is almost the same as the TAM, a little more armored, less engine power, older systems.
The TAM has competed in Perú against them, outclassed them in every aspect. The M60 was found very unreliable while the TAM has been driving in test from subantartic temperated, to template plains, to jungles to high mountains and deserts, uninterrupted without failures. The M60s couldn't get through a a mud field, couldn't start at 4000 meters mountain ranges and did 25% of the range of the TAM or Leopard with more fuel in the tanks.
Hablando de tanques argentinos y no ponen subtitulos en el idioma debido ,pesimo servicio ,XD
Acordate que son amateurs, y hacen lo mejor que pueden. Porque no tenian plata para poner subtítulos en español.
why are you showing a red square parade?
Jajajaja.... Is a 🚽🚽🚽🚽🧻🧻🧻🧻
The stock footage in this SUCKS! You have armor footage VERY clearly NOT in any way related to the subject! I saw the SU-100 and the FT-17 along with numerous armor artillery pieces clearly not related to the video in any way. REALLY POORLY DONE
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I really enjoyed the unrelated (mostly) M48 footage. Keep up the good work!
You try to come up with one hour of publishable relevant footage.
Funny they never talked to the Russians.
They were extremely anti communist
Deadass moment
@@MrBao-yt7bk no apoyabamos el comunismo pero nos llevábamos muy bien con los soviéticos
No éramos extremadamente anticomunistas
It is advised not to try to speak in Spanish, thank you
It is advided to shut the up about it, because he pronounced the words pretty well, so keep your deadass opinions to yourself, because the whole T.E team is trying their best to get narrators who can pronounce these words correctly.
Mexican here. I don't think the spanish pronunciation is great but i don't think we should be that harsh.
por qué escriben en inglés si son mas latinos que culpar a los españoles por nuestras miserias...?