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  • @18ally74
    @18ally74 3 роки тому +33

    Exactly with Russ Bray during Cullen vs MvG

    • @IrLosin
      @IrLosin 3 роки тому

      Wasn't game shot though.

    • @18ally74
      @18ally74 3 роки тому +2

      @@IrLosin same principal though, ref called it wrong and Cullen followed

    • @ig2d
      @ig2d 3 роки тому

      whst about a miscount of an earlier visit? I'm assuming that unless it us challenged immediately the miscount has to stand?

    • @phlhoran12396
      @phlhoran12396 3 роки тому

      I thought that was a case of Cullen miscounted himself, therefore it was his own fault no?? All very interesting though I must say.

    • @phlhoran12396
      @phlhoran12396 3 роки тому

      @Johnathan Kylan What? Just why like?

  • @onetwothreefourfivesixlemo638
    @onetwothreefourfivesixlemo638 3 роки тому +41

    I've seen Phil Taylor ask the ref (maybe it was Russ Bray) "bull?" to confirm he needed 50 and the ref said "yes", which is against the rules right? Because the ref can't tell you how to take something out by saying D16 D20 etc.

  • @Tepstooge
    @Tepstooge 3 роки тому +1

    My math failed me once. Thought I counted right, but was off on my third dart. Realized it before the scorer could input the scores on DC. Won the game on my next throws.

  • @alexpollington5337
    @alexpollington5337 3 роки тому +14

    Didnt this happen when russ bray miscounted phil Taylor's score when he wanted 32 but said he wanted 30, and taylor hit d15... 501 points were not scored... clearly opponent couldn't care less 🤣🤣

    • @gredangeo
      @gredangeo 3 роки тому +1

      I was surprised about that too. The leg counted anyways. Maybe because the opponent wasn't paying attention either. Phil Taylor went up and banged out the D15 like he didn't care. I can only guess that he had an unexpected dart at double since the opponent missed his, and wasn't about to argue with the Ref which would take time to verify what the number should have been, because his darts have been taken out. Thus delay the rhythm of his play. At the time (whatever mood his head was in), he'd rather quickly throw and be done.
      Moral: verify what the Caller says the previous score is before taking out your darts, so the scoreboard is correct. That and...do your damn math, At the PDC level of pros, I do kinda expect them to know how to count down, for example leaving finishes. Not some BS like 168.

  • @andrewblatherwick8758
    @andrewblatherwick8758 2 роки тому +1

    I was not aware that you could challenge a score during an active leg. I thought that the challenge had to be made, and the score corrected before the start of the player in questions next visit.

  • @chrisburlton821
    @chrisburlton821 3 роки тому +1

    It seems right that each player should keep track of their own score (rather than depending on the referee), if nothing else to help them map out a favourable route to checkout. Mistakes of course happen and if both the referee and the throwing player fail to spot a mistake which the opponent does spot, then fair play to them.

  • @derek3249
    @derek3249 3 роки тому +1

    What about if you have bounce out, but you have cat like reflexes and you catch it, can you throw it again??

  • @bellatarantula4575
    @bellatarantula4575 3 роки тому +3

    There is a cute Plushie behind you in the Background! What is it (and is it yours)? 😍

  • @stevenfromleicester2529
    @stevenfromleicester2529 3 роки тому +12

    Do you know what in love about this video, the thumbnail its brilliant. "Game shot" "No F### off" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @andytaylor8802
    @andytaylor8802 3 роки тому +1

    So if you want 26 but the ref says 36 and you hit it first dart do you loose that turn??

  • @darrenwilliams4978
    @darrenwilliams4978 3 роки тому +2

    You said run and get darts to 'close leg' so why would the ref put darts back where they were. What happens if a game shot is mis called' and only noticed after the match is finished and has a direct impact on the overall result (maybe a 6-5). I once had a leg of super league darts replayed under those exact circumstances.

  • @Timstack435
    @Timstack435 3 роки тому +24

    1:57 so, if your opponent checks out and i run up and retrieve his darts before he is able to he doesnt win the leg xD

    • @Timstack435
      @Timstack435 3 роки тому +2

      1:53

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому +6

      Ha ha love your thinking

    • @jes2274
      @jes2274 3 роки тому +4

      Yes but you will be disqualified

    • @bioLarzen
      @bioLarzen 3 роки тому +3

      Congratulations Sir, youhave just invented cheating ;)

  • @theflightlessscotsman1962
    @theflightlessscotsman1962 2 роки тому

    Another point to make, (with the ref getting the required amount left, wrong) is that with Matt's example, if the ref stated it was 36 required when it was actually 26, then the player has, in fact, bust himself. Would the argument then be - Does the player get another go at finishing the correct score, OR, does he remain bust and has to wait until the next throw to rectify the situation. Go figure...

  • @markhughes6892
    @markhughes6892 3 роки тому +2

    I very rarely miscount anyway, the main problem I have when throwing is I am not always sure what I have hit because my eyesight is awful. Once I have checked with the chalker/checker, I'm normally able to work out what I have left. I have been told by many players in my league that I am one of the best counters in the league.

  • @thieske3942
    @thieske3942 3 роки тому +1

    So.. if you leave your darts in the board the leg isnt closed? Like what happened in the Durrant v Portela.. so that could have become a weird situation.

    • @mickoz84
      @mickoz84 2 роки тому +1

      I have to imaging a world championship final: A player hits his match dart for winning the title. He celebrates. Pyro goes off. Sponsors coming up the stage. One of the darts falls down. Silence... :D

  • @zorankostur
    @zorankostur 3 роки тому +1

    Great explanation,and please tell me what happens if the referee says a game shot and as the player approaches, the darts fall off the board.

    • @tadb28
      @tadb28 3 роки тому

      In a match with a ref, once game shot is called, it’s over. In cases where your playing a pub match, no ref, you retrieve a loose dart quickly to remain a game shot. Even the pros will rush a board if a dry is loose. Usually not an issue.

    • @zorankostur
      @zorankostur 3 роки тому

      @@tadb28 tnx bro i understand....i think that in match with ref. even if he call game shot you must pull the dart,but ty 🤝

  • @dennysigfalk4886
    @dennysigfalk4886 2 роки тому

    Ive seen a 163 checkout in PDC, the scorer and the players missed it, only the TV-commentators noticed.

  • @bioLarzen
    @bioLarzen 3 роки тому

    A couple of weeks ago a player - Glen Durrant, if I recall correctly - didn't remove his darts after the leg had been called, but went straight to the break - and the leg/set still counted... What's the truth then? Does the rule book specify a time frame for removing the darts, or is it completely OK to remove them 10 minutes later (provided there is a break between two legs)?

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому +1

      That’s why they called him back cause he didn’t claim the leg

    • @bioLarzen
      @bioLarzen 3 роки тому +1

      @@Edgartvdarts Oh, I didn't know he was called back - I must have missed this part of the broaadcast... My understanding was that he only removed his darts when he got back from the break anyway. Thanks for the info!

  • @dennysigfalk4886
    @dennysigfalk4886 2 роки тому

    Knowing how to count is a part of the game. The referee/scorer is just a help. You can ask where the dart is situated (is that a 4?) or how much you have left. Never wich way to go etc. The scorers in the PDC are very good and almost never get it wrong, But if you go down into amateurlevels when you maybe have a friend or teammate as a scorer this rule are more important. The opponent have the right to protest if the maths, check out isnt correct. The maths (correct score) trumfs everything

  • @Nomad445
    @Nomad445 3 роки тому +2

    Great video Matt! 😎

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому +1

      And you had your name on Edgar tv

    • @Nomad445
      @Nomad445 3 роки тому +2

      @@Edgartvdarts It was an honor to be on Edgar TV! I'd like to thank all the people along the way who believed in me and made this moment possible, the academy and the... Oops, wrong acceptance speech..
      To all the little Edgarmaniacs out there, say your prayers, take your vitamins and one day you too might have a guest spot on Edgar TV! 🤣

  • @anitahand5699
    @anitahand5699 3 роки тому

    saw a lady once hit a (17 bullseye and 11) in a shot once. she was not open in a double in double out game, therefore her bull actually won the game as she was not open. the 11 thus became not counted right?

  • @vincentmcpeake2549
    @vincentmcpeake2549 3 роки тому +7

    What happens on a bust score , say 40 left and first dart hits a 20 leaving double 10 , 2nd dart hits double 15 and bust is declared , whilst collecting the darts the original 20 drops out , do you now get to throw at double 5

    • @romanreckless8263
      @romanreckless8263 3 роки тому +1

      if a dart falls b4 u retrieve it, the dart doesnt count... so to answer ur question... yes... on the next turn

    • @romanreckless8263
      @romanreckless8263 3 роки тому

      but, do u mean, that if ur walking to the board to retrieve the 2 darts, and the one falls out, can u turn around back to the oche and throw the one dart u have left?... man, idk on that one..although. I think ur throw is considered over once u start walking to the board

    • @vincentmcpeake2549
      @vincentmcpeake2549 3 роки тому

      @@romanreckless8263 Yes , after your first 2 darts and busting , you are walking to the board accepting that you have bust and the 20 falls out ,can you argue that you have 1 dart left or is that just bad sportsmanship , it happened to me and i accepted the bust as i was addressing the walk up the oche just to retrieve darts

    • @q0056
      @q0056 3 роки тому

      @@romanreckless8263 if game shot is called then the darts valid I think even if it falls out

  • @petersutton7033
    @petersutton7033 2 роки тому

    Can a player bust
    Ie : if he hits the peg in th rd first or second shot
    And if it’s called
    Then throw the remaining dart or darts

  • @getthetables556
    @getthetables556 3 роки тому +2

    So did Rob Cross’ world championship win not count as Phil Taylor removed the match dart(d16) as the rule states that the player who’s throw it is must retrieve their darts for the leg to count

    • @dennysigfalk4886
      @dennysigfalk4886 2 роки тому +1

      He with that action agreed that he had lost the game

  • @asef698
    @asef698 3 роки тому

    So if the ref calls game and you retrieve your darts out of the board that's it? You can only query something if the players darts are still in the board

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому

      Yes retrieve completes the turn

  • @BULLY-xc9vq
    @BULLY-xc9vq 3 роки тому +1

    What would be the rule if say i wanted 22 but hit double 14 the ref calls no score i then in a fit of disgust throw my 2nd dart and it knocks out the double 14 i now have no scoring darts in the board can i throw for 22 again

    • @benhealey8055
      @benhealey8055 3 роки тому

      I dont know the rules but i think if you bust your score any other dart on that throw is invalid

  • @terranceparsons5185
    @terranceparsons5185 3 роки тому +1

    Seems obvious to me. You only win if you double out on 501.

  • @nimjums
    @nimjums 3 роки тому +8

    What happens if your playing double in, you hit double first dart, then two T20s say, ref calls score but just before you retrieve the darts your double in dart falls out? No score?

  • @apollod16
    @apollod16 3 роки тому

    matt I'd like to talk to you about this rule

  • @dartcorn2246
    @dartcorn2246 2 роки тому

    But what happens when you bust the score becaus the ref said you have 26 left and you have 16 left?

  • @jennycalcutt
    @jennycalcutt 3 роки тому

    At what point are the darts retrieved? I'm guessing all 3 have to be removed from the board but if say one ,for arguments sake the 'winning' one, was removed have you retrieved the dart that scored you the 501st Point??

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому

      Normally once you have touched the dart or disturbed it

    • @jennycalcutt
      @jennycalcutt 3 роки тому +1

      So as long as you've touched one dart then the leg is complete? I'd be racing to touch the 'illegal' one as fast as my little legs could get to the board!

  • @misfit2022
    @misfit2022 2 роки тому

    I was always told a player is responsible for their own score. I say that as someone who wasn’t great at counting. A bigger controversy is if a player doesn’t hit a double the ref calls game shot but the error is only noticed much later but should that be allowed to stand?

    • @davidcox9674
      @davidcox9674 5 місяців тому

      You mean like the Ryan Searle incident. Ref called game shot and the match but it wasn't actually in the double 10. Ryan got those darts out quick smart 🤣

    • @misfit2022
      @misfit2022 5 місяців тому

      @David Or Phil years ago but yes. Should there be an adjutant who says we have reviewed and it wasn’t in the double so the leg is replayed?

  • @craigrobb2323
    @craigrobb2323 3 роки тому

    Matthew.
    What would happen if the ref doesn’t call Game Shot when going for double 10 for example? He didn’t confirm you’ve hit it because he thinks it’s in single 10 so you continue to throw.
    You then hit single 5 and with your last dart burst yourself to leave D10 again.
    Before removing your darts you realise D10 was actually in. Does this mean you scored zero or do you win the leg because the first dart was actually in the required double?
    This happened in our local league a number of years ago and no score was called.

    • @mikebennett109
      @mikebennett109 3 роки тому

      Craig Robb The rules say that’s game shot, and any darts thrown after hitting the required double do not count.

    • @craigrobb2323
      @craigrobb2323 3 роки тому

      Thank you.
      Unfortunately doesn’t change the result but good to know my team mate was correct even though he wasn’t awarded the game when he should have been.

  • @darthopper7874
    @darthopper7874 3 роки тому

    What happens if you hit the winning dart with the first dart game shot is called, then you throw you other two? I know the game is over after the first dart and the other two are meaningless...but couldn't the other two be considered practice darts and thus a violation?

    • @muitaladainha
      @muitaladainha 3 роки тому

      the game shot continues, but you can get a warning

  • @ant88310
    @ant88310 3 роки тому +2

    Wouldn't it ultimately be the responsibility of the player to know what is left?

    • @mervs9052
      @mervs9052 3 роки тому

      I would say YES. If you're job is involved with maths, then learn to count. Everyone is human but you should still have to have the ability to know the score that is left.

    • @LordOfTheBored
      @LordOfTheBored 3 роки тому

      I had said so, too.

  • @magillanz
    @magillanz 3 роки тому

    of course if the ref told you more than needed and you bust you screwed anyway

  • @jamesforsyth7867
    @jamesforsyth7867 3 роки тому +1

    We had a situation like that in a league game, Opposing team player took out a brilliant 118 finish but only had 108 left, He was not best pleased when I shouted from the back of the pub that he was bust..... Scorer had wiped the board too so the whole leg needed to be replayed as No One knew what our player had left, We tease him that he's the only person ever to lose 4-0 in a 3 leg match.

  • @gavinohanlon4710
    @gavinohanlon4710 3 роки тому +1

    I was playing a lad and he took out the wrong finish and caller called game shot i corrected straight away before darts were retrieved I won in the next 3 darts and there was uproar 😂😂

    • @anitahand5699
      @anitahand5699 3 роки тому

      i did the same once. the guy hit a triple 20, then triple 18 double 15 when he needed double 13. his buddies had called it out to him as he got confused and was hesitating. i knew the call was wrong but waited until he shot. game shot called, then i said no way double 13 man. he argued of course then laughed at his mistake. my buddy then took out a shanghai on the 20, and we won the tourney. it was freaking awesome.

  • @davidmirving3139
    @davidmirving3139 3 роки тому +1

    I know there's a big difference between playing down the pub and in the PDC but I didn't think ref's and markers were supposed to tell a player what they had left, just what had been scored.

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому +3

      You can say what’s left but not how to go for it

    • @Nomad445
      @Nomad445 3 роки тому

      I see it happen now and then in PDC matches, it's usually after they miss and hit something unexpected and you can see them asking 'what does that leave' or 'that leaves xx right'? I saw it happen recently which made me wonder what would happen if the ref gave the wrong answer.

  • @onge1981
    @onge1981 3 роки тому

    End of the day, it's the player who is responsible for his score. Shouldn't fall back on the ref to do your scoring for you

  • @resonatorneuronium5324
    @resonatorneuronium5324 2 роки тому

    Basically the ref should just get it right and so should the player. Imagine a football player telling the ref how many goals have been scored. The ref should always know the correct score.

  • @48hoursfootball
    @48hoursfootball 3 роки тому +1

    This seems very obvious

  • @davevleminckx4954
    @davevleminckx4954 3 роки тому

    My dartsmate had once a problem with the referee & oponent. He had 20 left so went D 10. He hit it with his second dart but could'nt see it (My dartsmate) so threw a third dart & hit 10. The oponent said busted & we said not correct the referee should have said with the second dart game or out, .... So we won that leg. Is that correct or not? My dartsmate doesn't throw as fast as MVG so the referee had all the time to see ;-)

    • @muitaladainha
      @muitaladainha 3 роки тому +1

      game shot, this situation appeared in the first darts quiz here on Edgar TV

    • @davevleminckx4954
      @davevleminckx4954 3 роки тому

      @@muitaladainha Didn't see that :-( but thanx anyway ;-)

  • @stephenscarff471
    @stephenscarff471 3 роки тому

    Matt , could you do a night where you play your patreons left handed ? they might not like it , but just as a one off ? i think it would make interesting viewing to see if a pro player can make the change easily or is it as hard for you as us other right handed players

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому

      I can’t play left handed

    • @stephenscarff471
      @stephenscarff471 3 роки тому

      @@Edgartvdarts neither can we , Matt

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому +1

      Be more like a Patreon week 😂

    • @anitahand5699
      @anitahand5699 3 роки тому

      i was shooting lefty for about 3 years, then one night i just started throwing righty, did not notice until someone pointed out i was doing it. i liked righty so stuck with it. ps- i write lefty and do other stuff lefty normally anyway

  • @romanreckless8263
    @romanreckless8263 3 роки тому +3

    that was a bit confusing

    • @phlhoran12396
      @phlhoran12396 3 роки тому

      Just a bit right? Cullen did something similar in this year's world champs but I'm thinking he miscounted himself.

  • @anthony8bpgaming689
    @anthony8bpgaming689 3 роки тому +2

    What would happen if the dart fell out of the board in a final when game shot had been called? Imagine celebrating winning a PDC Major final, game shot being called by the ref and then the dart falls out lol

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому +4

      That’s where the written rule and what actually happens would be different plus jumping around on stage music etc could have dislodged it with vibrations

    • @tadb28
      @tadb28 3 роки тому +1

      No odds. Once game shot is called, it don’t matter.

  • @ChristmasTurki
    @ChristmasTurki 3 роки тому

    Why would the referee then 'take the darts' and put them where they were thrown? Wouldn't they already be in the board? Otherwise, if game shot is called and the darts are retrieved and would have to be put back in the board, the leg is already closed?

  • @chriscoleman6466
    @chriscoleman6466 3 роки тому

    I didn't understand one word if that

  • @henkjanvanderweide3362
    @henkjanvanderweide3362 3 роки тому +1

    So basically the red can ruin your game by saying you want 36 when you want 26

    • @michaelmcdermott2810
      @michaelmcdermott2810 3 роки тому

      Yip, it's scandalous!

    • @PeteBaldwin
      @PeteBaldwin 3 роки тому +1

      True but they can only ruin your game if you can't do the maths yourself.

  • @chrishill4991
    @chrishill4991 3 роки тому

    My mate had a situation like this. He was sat on a double and his opponent left 14 with one dart and siad to the ref thats 12 left right? The ref said yes he double 6 turned to shake hands and my mate said no you've left 2. He excepted he was wrong and my mate hit the double first dart.

  • @neilpotts2302
    @neilpotts2302 3 роки тому

    VAR soon

  • @intergalactic99
    @intergalactic99 3 роки тому +1

    I play gentlemans rules. If you want 116 but go 20 60 d16 i'll give it to you as it was a good shot lol.

    • @earsofdumbo
      @earsofdumbo 3 роки тому

      Do you also allow the b&b 26 to class as a 180? If you do I'd love to play against you because I feel I have a pretty good chance of hitting a 9 darter😂😂😂

    • @intergalactic99
      @intergalactic99 3 роки тому

      @@earsofdumbo I don't know what a b&b 26 is but prob not lol. To be fair you'd prob still win.

  • @nickmccartan8128
    @nickmccartan8128 3 роки тому +5

    Doesn't count, you should know what your throwing for not reling on the ref

    • @garethmorgan6757
      @garethmorgan6757 3 роки тому +1

      Its a bit like football,.. you shouldn't hope a referee will be reliable when an opposing team is fouling you all the time and you're 1-0 - you might deserve to win against the Neanderthals, but the ref only needs to make ONE mistake and give them a penalty and that's it.

    • @garethmorgan8768
      @garethmorgan8768 3 роки тому

      @@garethmorgan6757 I don't even remember posting this.

    • @nickmccartan8128
      @nickmccartan8128 3 роки тому +1

      @@garethmorgan8768 hahahaha that's good weed lol

    • @garethmorgan6757
      @garethmorgan6757 3 роки тому

      @@nickmccartan8128 lol

  • @jimwest7107
    @jimwest7107 3 роки тому +1

    Responsibility is always on the player to be aware of their own score. Darts 101.

  • @danielvernon7848
    @danielvernon7848 3 роки тому +1

    Fantastic video that matt mate I see what you mean by that some people just wanna get away with it awesome video tho matt mate can you talk about the world grand prix matt mate what's your standout matches mate

  • @pallen87
    @pallen87 3 роки тому +1

    Rules question. Say I hit my out and in excitement I throw my second and third darts at the board and hit numbers. Have I then busted?

    • @vincenzodanello4085
      @vincenzodanello4085 3 роки тому +1

      if you hit game shot after the first dart and the ref calls it, then your 2nd and 3rd dart don't matter I think.
      Cause I've often seen players hitting the match-winning double and just throwing their 2nd/3rd dart at the board for fun.

    • @NoAllahNoGod
      @NoAllahNoGod 3 роки тому

      Yes, if you'd busted according to the correct number you had.

    • @stevebrown3559
      @stevebrown3559 3 роки тому +1

      @@NoAllahNoGod No, it's not a bust. If a dart hits the required double, any subsequent darts hitting the scoring area don't count.

    • @darthopper7874
      @darthopper7874 3 роки тому

      Would those be considered practice darts and maybe get a warning?

    • @NoAllahNoGod
      @NoAllahNoGod 3 роки тому

      @@stevebrown3559 Ah, I still was in a situation in which the ref miscounted and you didn't ACTUALLY hit the correct double (you only thought so).
      Of course you're right, if you counted correctly and hit the proper double you'd win the leg, no matter what you do with the next one or two darts. I obviously wasn't paying attention...
      But nonetheless, I'd recommend not to do so, because in darts it's considered a bad habit throwing after already winning the leg (unless you think you missed the target), or for that matter throwing after busting.

  • @XJokermanX
    @XJokermanX 3 роки тому

    😂

  • @gorky1317
    @gorky1317 3 роки тому

    If the ref calls shot its over, game won. Tough tit. You can even throw any remaining darts in hand - they don't count.

  • @MetaFootballTV
    @MetaFootballTV 3 роки тому

    Seeing as Gerkin Price shouts and can be disrespectful and distracting, can other players use party poppers or other means to make similar noise or celebratory actions?
    Thanks.

    • @Edgartvdarts
      @Edgartvdarts 3 роки тому

      I’d love to do a party popper celebration 🎉

    • @MetaFootballTV
      @MetaFootballTV 3 роки тому

      @@Edgartvdarts But....after winning a leg with a D8??

  • @robertreader6539
    @robertreader6539 3 роки тому

    Why you need to use darts scorer whilst you play professional lmao

  • @paulperrin2152
    @paulperrin2152 3 роки тому

    Why carnt dart players wear a hat??