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How Atlanta Failed the Braves
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The Braves were trapped at Turner Field, so they left Atlanta.
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Atlanta was never going to put money into Turner Field. Remember the City of Atlanta did not pay for Turner Field; it was inherited by Atlanta from ACOG (Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games). ACOG paid for all of the construction and baseball conversion. Once the Olympic were over and all of the bills were paid ACOG dissolved, and all venues were turned over to the local governments. Thus, Atlanta had no need to issue $200 million in bonds to renovate Turner Field. They actually sold it to Ge State Univ. for $28 million which was all profit.
Great move by both parties
Wow 28 million seems really cheap😮😮😮
@@NationalCostoAlliance Well since the City of Atlanta did not pay for the construction, the revenue from Turner Field was all profit. There were no bonds to pay off, field maintenance, and security was paid for by the Braves, it was all profit. Atlanta was not going into bond debt for a paid off building. They were better selling it for a small amount, similarly to a short sale in housing. Ga State and Carter Development has done a great job in developing the area, which is called Summerhill. The developments over there fit with the character of the Summerhill community much better than the Battery would, and this is no knock on the Battery.
As a lifelong braves fan, I'll always miss Turner field as its the stadium I grew up with. With that said, Truist is an incredible stadium and the battery is amazing. it's the stadium the players and fans deserve.
As a Braves fan since they first came here in 1966 I miss Fulton County Stadium where I got to see Hank Aaron, Dale Murphy, Phil Kniekro, Jerry Royster, Bob Horner, Jeff Burroughs, Dusty Baker, Darrell Evans & many others but those '90s Braves were off the charts
I think everyone agrees truist is by far the better ballpark, man I wish I could just see 1 more game at the Ted.
I was just at TRUIST on June 1 - holy hell that ballpark is amazing
@@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman14 straight division titles from 1991-2005 (excluding the player's strike in 1994), and only one World Series title ain't nothing to brag about.
@@mikecanul yea its great, I have been to a few & its one of the best
Braves fan here. Turner Field was replaced because nobody wanted to be down in that area of Atlanta at night. Not safe.
Yeah, that area is a hell-scape. Funny to hear this guy talk about how the Braves moving was a great thing for the area.
@@lisao9486 yeah Lisa that’s kind of the problem… we subsidize sports to be distracted by a system that is disenfranchising our neighbors and we pretend that the hellscape is never our problem or our legacy. We simply add to the deterioration of a community by depriving it of one of it’s institutions.
You can move the team to the suburbs and say it’s the fault of people that have systemically been ignored but one day the monster that brought you your suburban sports team will COME 4 YOU!!!
Think it won’t… next time you’re on i75/85 passing “Old Turner Field” be reminded that the Monster often spares no team… not even a former Olympic venue😂😎
An “Unwalkable neighborhood “ is a nice way to put it lol
Summerhill is a very nice neighborhood u judging 20 yrs ago it's very nice desirable neighborhood now
Kasim Reed was a dumpster fire of a mayor. The Braves wanted to build up the Summerhill area like as was done at the Battery - team told the city of their plans AND that there was a back up site. Reed and his cronies thought the Braves were bluffing, and we see how well that went for downtown! Reed also sat by silently as the Thrashers struggled then moved away. One of the worst mayors we ever had.
The thrasher wasn't Reeds Fault, plus the Braves was silent on the stadium and move
@@riccorichbraves absolutely weren't silent about it, no venues around turner field has been a thing for decades. Notice that as soon as the braves move out, they finally decided to build up the area surrounding the ballpark?
@@jcspotter7322 yeah, and Atlanta hasn't missed a beat..., The Braves thought they should be entitled to all the profits and control all the development in that area, and the city rightly said no, thank you! We don't need y'all...
They, The Braves, were always bad tenants, even with their being gifted Turner Field for no money...My thought is the people in those surrounding neighborhoods say good riddance to the ATLANTA braves, 'cause they did nothing but take from the neighborhood, and never gave it anything but grief...
And Ga. State has been much better for that area and has attracted a hell of a lot of money there...
so Thank you ATLANTA braves for moving on, so other things good for the city could take place in the Summerhill/Mechanicsville/Grant Park area, that area has really taken off since the braves skedaddled, it's been majorly redeveloped, and is a much more affluent area now, since they aren't trying to hog it all for Liberty Media and it's board!!!
So when will they be changing the name to the Cobb County, or the Perimeter Hwy/I-75 Braves? Can't happen soon enough for me cause they no longer have standing in the city!
Kasim Reed and most of Atlanta's former mayors belong in jail.
@@jcspotter7322you can walk from the dome to Turner field at least take a bus. What about the lie it was for OTP fans cause Gwinnett fans are still just as screwed and cat take MARTA!
I wish you would have taken a moment more to explain that heat map rather than just show it for one second 9:04
The numbers listed are zip codes for the areas. I assume the red dots are where tickets are generally bought in a certain time frame. I think its meant to show that most tickets are bought by people north and outside of the city.
Heat map also gets the new stadium location wrong. Missed it by that much
Yes it's on the other side of I-75
The heat map really explains it in a single image. Some narrative about it would've been good.
I’m from the city and I can tell you that building Turner field was a mistake on location. Summerhill never wanted it and protested it even when the Olympics where announced because they knew they would be the first affected.
But it's in much better condition now. At the time I can understand why they would fight, but it's unrecognizable now. From then to now.
I’m sorry, what was the purpose of this video? The Braves moved into a new stadium that NOW has them in the Top 5 in attendance. That’s good business..enough said.
@@stephenholbrook4391 Am I disagreeing with you somehow?
@@jbaskinger I meant to post a public comment, not post a reply to you. Sorry.
Go Braves!
@@stephenholbrook4391 All good haha. Go Braves!
Wish you called Ted Turner the "and at one point manager of the Braves"
80% ticket holders live in north Georgia.. that was the no brainer to move north lol
That's where the population centers are. I'd be surprised if south georgia was less than 20% of the state pop.
@@chrisg4305 atlanta is in north Georgia....
The northern suburbs. The heat map makes it clear. He should've gone into more detail about it.
@@xaviergardner1881 okay then. Live north of 285 lol. Either way. Atlanta residents couldn’t keep up
@@Bones_plays The traffic to and from Atlanta is terrible
It goes to show that leadership matters. The Atlanta mayors could have built up Summerhill, addressed MARTA, and parking. Instead, they were lazy, incompetent, and corrupt.
That area is fine..in fact looks better than a giant Cobb county parking lot which is all Truist park basically has around it...plus they(braves) take all the revenues for that area...city of Atlanta got smart and said "skedaddle, and don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you...begone beggars"!!!...You should google the area where the Braves used to play...Ga. State has really transformed that area...it's better than it ever was when the braves were there and just taking taking taking!!!
You do know Cobb county fired the CEO and one commissioner is under indictment for acts that took the Braves out of Atlanta. But go off bigot!
@@JuneBaby01 A giant Cobb County parking lot? Have you been to the Battery? Its great! There are so many things to do in the area for everyone in my family. We love it. Its far better than parking a half mile away from Turner Field and waiting 30 minutes to get back on the interstate after every game.
@@JuneBaby01 HAHAHA...someone has no clue as to what they speak and GA St didn't transform the Summerhill area, gentrification did.
@@JuneBaby01 it was a crime filled black getto when i went in 2000
I grew up in rural Ohio in the 1980s and 90s, and I remember the Atlanta Braves always being on TBS TNT they were my first favorite team. My love for the Indians or now Guardians runs deep, but Atlanta Braves will always have a place in my heart!
I grew up in the "forgotten borough" of NYC Staten Island as a Met fan and watched The Braves as well in the 80's and 90's. Also The Cubs on WGN. Did you get/watch The Cubs as well?
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Grew up in the DC Metro watching the Braves on "The Superstation". Loved it. Got enjoy meeting people from all over the country during the World Series who grew up doing the same thing I did. 😊
Kasim Reed wasn't a good mayor. The only negative I have about Truist Park is its lack of access to public transportation options. Imagine a rail line connected to the battery. Also, I want to make a nitpick regarding the limited reach of MARTA. MARTA isn't funded by GDOT, making expansion difficult. Also, losing the Falcons to the suburbs (which they were threatening) was why they were treated as a priority. Football>baseball
That's not reeds fault
And now hockey will end up in Forsyth County. This time, it will have a chance to succeed. Atlanta is a terrible sports city. Most people who live here are not from here, so they remain fans of teams from their previous location. The Braves are the exception.
@@connorjordan3551
Atlanta is a great sports city.
#1 in attendance in MLS (out of 29 teams)
#5 in attendance in MLB (out of 30 teams)
#16 in attrndance in NFL (out of 32 teams; top half)
Hawks had near 100 percent capacity last season.
That's a Cobb county, not Atlanta issue. MARTA would love to go into Cobb county
@@connorjordan3551 hockey in Forsyth county will not succeed.
As someone who is from Atlanta the biggest difference between the Braves and the falcons and the reason the falcons got the new stadium in the city and the Braves didn’t is because aurthur blanc actually marketed the team to the black people of the city, while the Braves have never cared about catering to the black fans and that quote that this guy said about the Braves “moving closer to their fanbase” they were pretty much saying the quiet part out loud. I love going to the battery and Braves games but anyone who’s lived in this city knows that the fact that Turner field was in a mostly black neighborhood was the reason there wasn’t a lot of development, and the suburban white people who buy most of the Braves tickets didn’t want to be in that area
Black people don't care about baseball
This, black people don't care about baseball for the most part and the sport in general hasn't done a good job of marketing to them. Maybe marketing is the wrong word, MLB has done a poor job of getting black people interested and watching the sport. Also this goes back to Atlanta being an EXTREMELY segregated city/region.
As someone who went to the old Fulton county stadium, turner field and the new truist (formerly SunTrust) park- it's no comparison. The battery is amazing and draws massive amounts of people even on non-game nights. The city of Atlanta could have done that decades ago, but couldn't be bothered.
Because we don't want some bland corporate mall. You can keep the Battery, we'll keep our amazing locally owned restaurants and awesome neighborhoods.
As a metro Atlanta resident and lifelong Braves fan, I am so thankful they moved. New stadium is so much more accessible and the overall experience is night and day.
There was pretty much nothing to do around Turner field back in the day, truist has a great atmosphere built around it. The battery is basically the Braves saying “fine I’ll do it myself”
Cobb county is a hot bed of youth baseball. A lot of pro players have come from Cobb county, it is literally baseball crazy.
And, the Big Boss Man was from Cobb County too!
Dansby Swanson is a good example, he was raised and went to high school in Cobb county. Great player.
Is that where East Cobb is
it also had enough traffic before the braves moved lol
@@HIMOTHY20631 Yes.
Atlanta/Fulton County Stadium was deliberately left out of the MARTA rail system because the city of Atlanta owned the stadium and didn’t want to miss out on the parking revenue. The rail line was drawn to go right down Peachtree Street until the Garnett station. Then it takes a wide swing to the west. Using MARTA to get to a Braves game meant having to wait on shuttle buses at both ends. Turner Field was a wonderful place to watch a baseball game, but so is Truist Park.
You have to pay $60 now for parking at Truist… compared to $20 at turner
@@mattmayer3636found a parking deck for $20 last time next to the Cobb galleria. Have to walk across that bridge but it was a shorter walk then when I went with a couple buddies who bought parking from the Braves
@@mattmayer3636there’s like 3 parking decks next to the Cobb galleria. It’s $20 to park and one guy let me in for free once. Have to walk across that bridge but in 10-15 mins you’ll be in the battery
I liked The Ted just a little bit better.
“Waiting on a bus?” I use to take the train to the game all the time and never waited over a min or two after walking out. Now leaving the stadium could take a min for them but as a whole MARTA always did a good job getting people from it. Wish the poster would have mentioned the shuttle as I don’t know anyone who tried to walk from the stadium to a station.
The lies about the commute or heavy traffic you have public transportation to Turner field, there’s no public transportation to Truist everything the brave said about this move was a lie. They just wanted to move the team into a white area.
Great points made in the video and the comments section. Truth be told, the Braves wanted out of that area long before the first shovel was dug down the street. There were rumors of them looking at the northern suburbs in the early-'90s, especially after their former co-tenants, the Falcons, moved to the newly-built Georgia Dome. But that was put to bed once they found out that they were going to be gifted a free stadium because of the Olympics. But as time went on and the same issues that they had in years' past began to crop up again, well, they ended up doing what they've always set their minds to. That is, getting someone else to build them a stadium without having to invest much $$$ into it, while having full creative control of what surrounds it.
Now, as the video also displayed, the City of Atlanta (especially their Recreation Authority) didn't do their mayors or those teams any favors. They didn't invest a dime into the surrounding areas of AFCS or Turner Field and made life difficult for the Braves and even the Falcons to do the same back when they shared the old facility. That lack of investment drove a wedge of distrust between the team(s) that played there and the surrounding neighborhoods. They were still protesting about Georgia State moving there until the school moved Heaven and Earth to finally get things going in the right direction. IMHO, the Recreation Authority could've easily gotten the folks who owned land in that area to play ball, especially considering how easy it was for Georgia State to do so years later.
All things considering though, it was a win-win. The Braves finally got a ballpark and surrounding area under their control that has become the prototype of pro teams looking to do the same, even locally. Just look at what the Hawks (see Ressler, Anthony) are doing with Centennial Yards, as well as the GWCC looking to redevelop the Home Depot backyard (former site of the Georgia Dome) as an entertainment venue beyond just greenspace for Falcons/United games in order to keep up with the Joneses. And as for the former Turner Field, the surrounding areas have never looked better. Now having grown up near that area, I know for a fact that there are still spots that I would not recommend you venturing into, especially further south. And yes, there is still work to be done to the stadium itself (East stands of Center Parc, I'm talking to you) that I know Georgia State and their fans have discussed ad nauseum. But they've built a new basketball arena there, along with a baseball stadium using the old footprint of AFCS now going up as we speak. There are shops and housing in areas that were once dilapidated and crime-infested. Georgia State and their partners have done a tremendous job in transforming what was once a largely ignored part of town. Much work still to be done but at the same time way better than what it once was...
Yes, thank you for having a clear mind and telling a simple truth. This is business, and what one won’t do another will. I remember GSU Pres. Becker’s speech about plans for the downtown area back in 2009. That’s when I realized GSU has a lot of money and they are willing to wait out all of those people whose buildings surrounding the campus. GSU is buying up every piece of property slowly but surely.
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@@DuckTheHeel but you did read it, dummy
The Atlanta mayor gave much more attention to the Falcons than he did the Braves. The Braves then went to Cobb where the Braves were welcomed with open arms.
No they weren’t! They fired the Cobb CEO over it😂
@@brejackal The move was a dumpster fire.
Clay, my sir, according to Mike Malloy, MARTA wanted to extend their rail service to the Cobb County location, but the majority of the county's residents - who were white - were steadfastly against this, because it would bring in minorities to their county.
People were lied to about how much tax money would be used to build the new stadium. The Braves and Cobb county ripped the tax payers off big time.
And with open wallets - hundreds of millions in taxpayer money from Cobb citizens that could have been spent on schools, roads, and public safety
The braves owners Liberty Media? Not Turner chose to leave the city, turner didn't like the move
Truist Park is near Walgreen’s and Krogers near the Cobb Parkway, adjacent to the Spaghetti Junction. This place has got Timothy Miller, a fun organist, and atmosphere. The battery kicks butt.
Turner Field was where Chipper Jones launched home runs, Andruw Jones leaped tall buildings to catch home run balls. Where Brooks Conrad won a game on a home run that he didn’t know it was a home run. From Uggla to Mallex Smith, the Upton brothers, McCann, McGriff, Kenny Lofton, Smoltz, Glavine, and Maddux. This is Braves Country, win or lose⚾️
Nothing will ever beat Francsico Cabrera's game winning hit/Sid Bream's slide in Game 7 of The 1992 NLCS against The Pirates...or Otis Nixon's highway robbery leaping catch of Andy Van Slyke's 'for sure' home run in the top of the 9th inning on July 25th that same year to preserve a 1-0 victory!
Out of context wifi brought up in the middle of Turner Field discussion as if wifi was a thing when it was built. Bye pop.
Living in Tennessee it made Braves games an option again and it's such a treat now
Why was it not an option at Turner Field?
@@shivtim 2.5 hour trip there, 3 to 4 hour game, 2.5 hour trip home. Vs. 1.5 hour drive there now.
@@DoingitWrongDG it does not take an hour extra. It's literally 12 miles. Stop lying.
@@shivtim as if traffic just doesn't exist
That's what the stupid video is about
It was 99% about money, and the Braves being able to develop their own commercial district. Traffic is just as bad, if not worse. And public transportation is 100% with Turner Field.
The Battery is so dope. I love that place. I’m not even a baseball fan and I’ve been there a bunch.
As a Mets fan that had been to turner field it was hard to get to as a tourist.
It was literally in the middle of the city where 3 highways come together. There was also a shuttle from the nearest train station.
Do you think the new stadium is easy to get to as a tourist? It's even harder.
It was easy for me .. They had a cheap hotel down the block from Turner
@@shivtim Whaaaaat??? Not even remotely true
If you think Turner was hard to get, Truist is much further from the airport, the busiest part of interstate congestion, and there is less parking from Turner. Also, transit still sucks!
I remember going to Turner Field like it was yesterday. I do miss it but I also think Truist Park is a major improvement not just in location, but just in general
I'm born and raised in Atlanta. The Summerhill neighborhood is a hop jump and skip away from Mechanicville and for those who don't know that's one of the oldest and dangerous neighborhoods in Atlanta so bottom line Turner Field was in the hood but I liked it that way. I went to Braves games at Fulton County and Turner Field haven't been to a Braves game since although I am very happy that they want a chip in 2021. My mom told me way before I was born she went to Fulton County Stadium to see James Brown and the women ripped all of his clothes off (this of course was in the late 60s). I love my city no matter how often people come here from other places and try to put it down.
crazy how a state college could bring better development to an area than a major league baseball team.
Ones privately owned and the other has an almost unlimited budget funded by taxes ... It's really not that crazy when you think about it
Georgia State where you have to step over crack heads overdosing on the streets to get to class or deal with gangs hanging out in the "secure" parking garages... but hey they got Turner field.
I’m from Atlanta. White ppl got tired of going to the hood to watch games
You might want to add to your post....."and either getting robbed or their vehicle vandalized/jacked/towed!"
@@paullentz1972which is a result of slavery, classism, racism etc. But I’m sure you’re not ready for that convo
@@RJ_873 Dude I'm actually a pretty liberal guy who is very aware of how messed up slavery, classism and racism is. In no way am I justifying those things.
What I was posting about...was 'why' White people was tired of going to games at Turner Field (the post I was replying to said 'White people got tired of going to the hood to watch games'.
I was explaining 'why'...not justifying slavery, classism and racism. When a person has their car broken into or is robbed or has their car towed (I dont care whether he is White or Black).....THE LAST THING that person is saying to themselves is (if he is White)..."if the person was White who robbed/broke into my car, I wouldnt be upset at it...however because dude was Black....I am mad and wont come back to Turner Field anymore".
People who get robbed/stolen from....are MAD at being violated PERIOD...NOT because the person who did it was of a different race. Come on dude, try to be real!
i live in a nearby city to cobb county called acworth and i regulary go to braves game my dad has raced the freeze,ive done the races on the field for teenagers its great bro!
The Braves are owned by one of the wealthiest men and families in America, build your own f'n stadiums. if people dont watn to go to games for travel or cost, that blame lies on the shoulders of the owners and players union. PERIOD
I know Georgia St. is still using Turner Field, but every time I drive by it south of Atlanta now it makes me a little sad to see it. It looks run down and is a shell of what it was considering the all the sports history that happened in that part of town. I was not happy about the BRaves moving to Cobb, but then I went to Truist for the first time, parked in deck, walked out of the deck and realized I was in the middle of everything. Right then and there, I got it. Such a better experience. Now the city of Atlanta has finally made some use of the land around Turner, but still a shell of what it could have been.
Summerhill and Atlanta United benefited the most from the Braves leaving.
I went to several games at Turner field as I did Fulton County Stadium and Truist park. Turner Field was falling apart and the city would not put any money into repairs or upgrades. I took my Dad there and the armrest fell off the chair while he was sitting in it. I don't blame the Braves for moving closer to their fan base and moving into a much nicer venue that is being taken care of unlike Turner Field.
Hell, let’s talk about how MLB (and the NFL) failed Atlanta’s teams for so long by making them fly cross-country for Division games for decades.
Still amazed on how the Braves won so many NL West titles because of that
I have a different perspective on this, having seen how the Braves treated their minor league team towns. Basically, they started with the A level teams, worked their way up to the MLB Braves with the same blueprint - build us a new stadium that we want (including rights to use it for 15 days a year so we can put in a concert we promote or such and keep all of the revenue), plus a major piece of the parking and concession revenues, or we'll move. And, of course, the Braves weren't putting in any serious money into the new stadiums. $20 million for a A level team stadium didn't fly, so eventually all of their minor league teams located. The Atlanta Braves just took the playbook to play the 'burbs against the city, same results.
For the life of me people are missing this point like it’s a f’n mystery. I wish I could like this 1000 times
A true baseball fan doesn’t need an AMUSEMENT PARK to entice them to go to games. Thats for yuppies and little kids…
I hate going to truist park. Traffic is a nightmare. Parking is limited. No public transportation
It's INSANE that the only public transportation to Truist Park is a commuter bus that runs *maybe* every 30 minutes
Did you ever go to Fulton? Riding a bus to the game.
@@PatrickHenryLibertyorDeath yes
@@PatrickHenryLibertyorDeathtransportation was much easier at turner than at Truist and the parking was cheaper
There’s like 3 parking decks next to the Cobb galleria. It’s like $20 one guy let me in for free once. Have to walk across the bridge but in less than 10-15 mins you’re in the battery
Turner was a great stadium, but right smack in the middle of crack houses and hundreds of vagrants. I used to park near the capital and walk 20 minutes to get there. It was very sketchy.
The city never did anything for the Braves. Then, once they left, the city put up guns of money. The state did, too.
Now, they are going to build a stadium for Georgia State baseball in the exact spot of Fulton County Stadium.
The new stadium was originally called SunTrust. Which was a bank that merged into what became Truist.
yup, last game I went to there in '97 I took 5 friends in my conversion van to see the Phillies, Braves lost 1-0 in 11 innings & my van was stolen! Been to Truist a few times, love that place much better even tho its an hour away from me {Covington}
Vagrants? You mean black Atlantians?
"Public servants" can leverage state run educational institutions for crony kickbacks. Construction contracts and service provider contracts all have palms being greased behind the scenes to fatten pockets. They probably would have had a harder time doing that to a MLB team.
Funny how the old Turner field is now a nice place thanks to Georgia State University and the demand for housing in the city.
White privilege and a Don the Con fan girl
Last two turner field games I attended my car was broken into. Stopped going until them moved north.
I miss the old tailgating scene around turner field. The side effect of being neglected was that the situation wasn't monetized. Braves superfans would gather around and tailgate on cheap grills and folding chairs before games. There wasn't some monetary barrier to entry. Middle class and working class fans would spend time at these tailgates, and it was fun.
As much as I like the battery, it's monetized. It's trendy bars and restaurants. It's expensive parking. It's condos for rich people. Don't get me wrong, I like the battery, but I miss talking ball with superfans over a tailgate. I'm worried that over time poorer fans will just be priced out as baseball games become more and more of a luxury. I enjoy baseball, but I'm worried for the future of the sport if sincere but poor fans can't take their kids to games. They'll find something else to do with their time. And it won't be watching baseball.
Edit; I just picked out a random Friday game, and the cheapest tickets are 30 bucks each. So a family of four going to a game, plus parking is already around 150 dollars, so with a meal the night would easily exceed 200 dollars for a single game. That's.. excessive. Baseball has an affordability problem.
Shows how stupid and awful North American car centric environments are... You're surrounded by highways and you can't go anywhere.
Cobb County officials lied and said this would bring revenue in, then decided to either close a bunch of local parks in the county or raise the milage rate. After a huge outpour of anger over closing parks, they went with raising the milage rates by a lot. Where's this extra revenue going?
I went to the last playoff game in fulton county stadium and the olympics watching cuba play a game and the first braves game in turner field
Kasim turned around and gave the Hawks more money than the Braves were asking for.
Hmmmmm, let's see, NBA is predominantly BLACK! MLB is WHITE, DUH!!!
There was also money the city council had approved for the Hawks and Falcons back in the 90s. The Braves weren’t part of that deal (for whatever reason). Reed actually said that a number of times plus there was an offer on the table for them to relocate to where the Dome was once it was gone and the Brave’s wanted to own everything around them and not share.
Atlanta didn't fail the Braves. I live here this city supported the team for years when they were a joke. When the new owners took over they wanted to move the team out to the suburbs, and they used crime around the stadium as an excuse. The new stadium has just as many car break-ins and robberies as the old one because there is no parking close to the stadium and you have to leave you vehicle a mile away. If was the mayor of Atlanta I would stop them using the name because they failed the city of Atlanta and left after all the city did for the team and it was not right. I would make them stop calling themselves Atlanta and make them use another name. By the way several people went to jail because of the crooked way they got the money for the new stadium in Smyrna Ga.
It's crazy how teams are capitalizing on bad urban design and creating small neighborhoods that way they can profit from it.
I miss games on TBS
I grew up in the Tallahassee Florida area and was most of my life a rabid Braves fan. I now live in Cobb County and have since before the Braves moved to Cobb County. Since the new stadium opened, I've been to two games, and I no longer even watch baseball for a variety of reasons. But the fact that as citizens of Cobb County we never had a say one way or the other on the matter was a huge turn off for me.
Truist is ok. The Battery is a collection of corporate chain bars and restaurants charging $15 for a draft beer. Been to a couple of concerts at Truist (which were horrible - sound is terrible and inconsistent) but never to a Braves game because it is so expensive. And if the parking at Turner Field was bad, Truist is worse - you can park, but it's about $40 minimum if you are within 2 miles of the stadium. By contrast, the Falcons stadium is easy to get to, there is a train station integrated and the concessions are reasonable. I get the Falcons suck compared to the Braves, but still.
Stan Kasten and parking had a lot to do with
Moving it to Cobb County helped accessibility and Safety at night.
I visit the MLB parks around the country and I’ve been to Truist Park the first year the park was renamed from SunTrust Park. I stayed in downtown Atlanta and the bus ride to the ballpark from downtown wasn’t too bad.
Traffic, neighborhood, and Mercedes are what ended Turner Field.
You forgot racism
Braves put their own vendors out of bidness see fans as competitors, g r e e d.
I live in Atlanta in 1991 when they got good. It was crazy. I remember being mad at my mom because she wouldn't let me get a tomahawk shaved in my hair. It was some special Supercuts was doing😂
Got to watch them play at Fulton County Stadium and Turner.
Old field wasn’t in best location. Pretty rough area around it. Just watch bait car and it’s in the background a bunch.
The traffic getting to and from Turner Field was absolutely demoralizing, especially for weeknight games if you had to work the next morning. I got to the point that I couldn't possibly have cared less if I ever saw another live game again. Unless you worked in the area around the stadium and were coming straight from work to the game, you would be lucky if you didn't miss a couple innings. The parking lots were horribly designed, and when leaving, there was a good chance you would spend more time in the gridlock trying to leave the lot than you would spend on the actual expressway. Even if they did put a Battery type development around Turner, it would have failed, or only seen decent business around the weekends.
Braves were supposed to be the dynasty of the 1990s. 1991-2005 division champions, five world series appearances, and one world series victory in 1995. World Series champions again in 2021.
Unfortunately you missed one of the biggest keys to this move: money. Not only did the braves get a new stadium but they control all of the surrounding district and directly make money from it. They wanted a similar deal from Atlanta and couldn't get it.
I agree the city should have worked harder to keep them, but this was a money grab plain and simple by Liberty Media.
Also, agree that it is an absolute nightmare to get to and from the park on game days. Parking is expensive and there are zero public transportation options (even worse than turner). Only option for people without cars is a $40+ Uber each way.
As someone who attended Braves games regularly as a kid a Turner Field I loved it. Buttttttt the homeless camps around the stadium made it sketchy. My dad got robbed a half mile from Turner Field in the early 2000’s. The new Truist Park in Cobb is without a doubt a better fan experience and has been copied in other cities.
It hasn't been copied in other cities. Name one.
One funny part is that since the Braves organization moved out of the area, there has been massive amounts of development in the area.
Braves leaving was the best thing for the Summerhill neighborhood. Atlanta didn't fail the Braves, the Braves failed Atlanta.
@@shivtim What exactly was the Braves organization supposed to be doing down there? They didn't own anything. They even leased the stadium. The development going on in Summerhill today is the development the city promised the Braves for 20 years before the team decided to relocate.
And, honestly, as much development as is going on in Summerhill, The Battery area was put together far faster, and I doubt Summerhill will ever get to where The Battery is.
And, just as an FYI, I work for a lending institution that has been involved in financing the Summerhill developments, so I have actually been seeing the various development plans, time frames, etc. since the first rounds of the development started. There's nothing happening in the current development that couldn't have started happening around year 2000 if the city had wanted to promote the development. But, it was never a priority until the Braves organization said they were leaving.
The only people to blame are ones in the Atlanta city hall.
@@shivtim But I don't agree that the Braves failed Atlanta like you said. Atlanta spent 20+ years failing to deliver on promises.
@@saldiven2009 Show me the promises? There were never any promises. The Braves are a horrible, greedy, racist organization. Good riddance to them. Summerhill and Atlanta are so much better now that they're gone. The Falcons, Atlanta United, and the Hawks are a million times better partners with the city.
Gsu pushed that imo expect that school to continue to grow
The braves made a business decision. But the downtown area had to be improved. Specifically the project housing many of which I grew up in.
Atlanta focused on the Falcons + Mercedes Benz Stadium and Cobb County stepped up to save the Braves by giving it space in Cumberland. It also ignited a lot of shelved highrise and midrise Cumberland developments that had floundered because of the 2008 real estate market crash. This is in addition to things built right around the stadium. So taxpayers got their money back in taxes from these new developments that may never have happened. The departure of the Braves allowed GA State to expand, and also was timed with gentrification of neighborhoods around it as the real estate market rebounded. Those neighborhoods had struggled for a long time (I know - I had an investment property there)
There was one other item the city had going on at the time and that was the streetcar project. Also, when one considers the heat map of where fans were living and originating their travels to Turner Field, driving to a MARTA rail station was part of the journey. That is because most of the fans are outside the MARTA service area. There is another conflict. The residents of summer hill wanted a say in how redevelopment took place and that may have…again may have played a factor too in Atlanta City Hall not seeking to add the stadium to its plate. Those who enjoy Truist Park will not go and vote for no rail transit to the park because it would not meet their daily commute. The job opportunities are too spread out to make transit separate from MARTA or extended from MARTA a feasible option especially without state funding to support multi billion dollar rail expansion.
Everyone benefitted from the Braves skipping to the next county over. My only hope for the future is that Truist Field, along with the Atlanta Metro area as a whole, seriously considers the creation of a revitalized subway system.
I'm 24 I love hate relationship with this as a Braves fan because I will miss Turner Field but love the new stadium the only issue is how far the parking is compared to the old stadium
Yep! I’m 54 and attended all 3 stadiums. That was my main issue until I got season passes at Lot B11. It took me about 2 years to figure out the best lot to park. I’ve seen people have to stop and catch their breath walking to and from parking lots at Truist. Only one lot provides a shuttle. Turner parking was the best!
Sjmmer Hill has thrived way more since tge braves left. Crazy enough. The stafium still gets some love. Heorgia state uses it and it still looks good driving by it.
Even street signs still say Turner Field. As far as I know it Center Park Stadium now, bit still called Turner Field.
They allowed the people who owned the areas around Turner Field to put up apartments and Townhomes and didn’t act on the surrounding property. And the number one reason that they moved it is because of the complexion of the people who live there
Their complexion and their predatory behavior.
Downtown Atlanta is ghetto and Smyrna is not. Pretty simple
So basically the Braves leaving downtown made the city more livable
Yes....and they no longer had to try and please a twisted organization...good riddance!
@@JuneBaby01 still chiming in like a dipshit huh?
No, it took years after the Braves left for the area to develop into anything. Gentrification had much more do with the area's "revitalization" than anything else did.
Well said
@@matthewpirkel2922”years,” while technically accurate, really obscures what actually happened. The reality is plans were already in motion once it was known the Braves were leaving, and recall that Suntrust didn’t even open until 2017. GSU was releasing preliminary land use plans even before that. Carter, the lead developer, had already purchased land and the redevelopment of Georgia Avenue actually began in 2017 with most of the renos and new construction already complete and welcoming tenants by summer 2018. Hedgewood had finished their first phase of homes by 2H 2020. So “years,” yeah, but considering permitting and construction time, it was an extraordinarily rapid process that only happened because people were ready for it to happen, and were just waiting for the elephant in the room to leave.
The issue with the Braves is they aren't Alanta's team, they are the Southeast's team, and they are not afraid to hide that fact. They know they can move anywhere that will give them money from Nashville to Charlotte to Birmingham and they'd still have a fanbase that would support them.
Compare that to the Falcons', who's fans have been from downtown since the beginning as anywhere else is college football's domain. There is a symbiotic relationship between the team and downtown unlike any other in the nation.
To quote Jon Bois, "If someone tells you Atlanta doesn't care much about the Falcons, that's a Sandy Springs ass thing to say."
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Turner field was literally in the hood
It also had no spirit
If only we got that extension from garnet to carver which would’ve covered the Fulton county stadium and more and brought the opportunity for TOD around the line. We gotta support public transit.
Imagine a city being using public funds to build a stadium. That’s just unheard of where I’m from.
To be clear, I watched ALOT of games at Turner field. And they left for sure because the crime around the field and car break ins during games. That was absolutely why they moved.
I'm old enough to remember when the Braves were perpetual losers and drew 5,000 to Fulton County Stadium. Brave fans, be proud, you've done very well.
I loved Turner Field but the parking at times was sketchy. The Truist Stadium and the Battery is awesome
we used to have a great hack for getting to the braves game. We go to Linwood station, have a couple pre game beers at Taco Mac, hop on MARTA there at linwood and ride to little 5 points. They had Marta right there waiting to shuttle you to the front gate of the stadium. Worked perfect for us.
It would have been better if the city and STATE could have invested in Marta expansion to turner/Summer Hill. Waiting on the shuttle and walking through underground was a pain. The sad part now is that W & Atlantic railroad could simply be activated for regional rail and serve all of Cobb county. It runs behind Cumberland mall( which via pedestrian parks serve Truist), downtown vining's, the Marietta square, downtown Kennesaw, and downtown Smyrna.
@@LeeNobodyCobb has repeatedly ignored calls to add mass transit to their county for fear of “people riding the train up and breaking into their homes.” Same Cobb, same story, different year. The old W&A ROW is now the CSW ROW between Atlanta and Chattanooga.
“Many fans were turned off from attending Braves games if it meant sitting through loads of traffic”
As if there isn’t worst traffic headed north of the city.
glad they got out of the ghetto
It all doesn't make any sense. Still in the same boat. No Marta station. I-75 and I-285 is a nightmare when it comes to traffic most of the time. Basically you have to have a car to get there. Entertainment for the suburbans I guess. It is what it is.
Turner Field wasn’t in a safe neighborhood
There were other “superstations” besides TBS. There was WWOR out of New York, which broadcast Mets games out of market, as well as WSBK in Boston for the Red Sox, and I think WGN for the Cubs. These were “over the air” stations that were permitted to broadcast as far as their signal could reach, and I think the FCC ended permission for this in the mid-80s. But, TBS had become a cable station, so it could keep on broadcasting the Braves. I was a Braves fan in Boston back in the late 80s and early 90s. It definitely contributed to their rise.
Yes, rhe Falcons getting all that funding was a precipitating factor, but please don't be ignorant to the role of race and socio-economics in this.
Cumberland isn't a city. The reality is it shows racism is still alive. Just like Vine City across from MBS, it was developers who were squatting on properties who were waiting on rapid gentrification, but took decades. Parking was rarely an issue at either of the previous stadiums other than people being worried their cars were going to get broken into. Which still happens, it happens all over the city. The traffic near the Battery is worse than it was before. Blaming the lack of public transportation is a poor excuse, because most people in Atlanta don't take MARTA, not even MARTA managers and execs. As others said, Mayor Reed was another in a line of corrupt majors, just like when MBS got built. Also, Atlanta is a fair weather fan town. Because over half the city is transplants, people only support Atlanta teams if they're winning, otherwise they support their 'hometown' team. So saying Atlanta failed the Braves is misguided when it was corruption that benefitted the Braves and all the businesses that have popped up near Truist, while gentrification is just picking up steam near the old stadium. They didn't have someone like Arthur Blank pump billions into the neighborhood like what happened near MBS. Again, city officials let it happen and the Braves owners didn't step up like Blank did. It's all a mess and the Braves are the only 1s that won in this.
Teams can't keep asking for new stadiums every ten years and expect cities to pay for them. So, I say well wishes to the Braves and haven't seen a game or gone to one since the move. Fourteen division titles and one world series win. 😢
I lived in a posh Marietta suburb in the 90s and early 2000s, and I can tell you for a fact that NOBODY wanted to go to Atlanta to see a Braves game. It was in an ugly crime-riddled area, traffic and parking were a disaster. One solution was to take MARTA (Metro Atlanta Rail Transit Authority) to the game, but MARTA, like BART in San Francisco, attracted dangerous people. My own city of Marietta strongly protested having MARTA stations built in our suburbs. So the Braves said "screw it", they built SunTrust (now Truist) in the posh suburbs of Marietta and now its fixed. I realize that the Mercedes Benz Stadium where the Falcons and Atlanta FC club play do decent numbers, but keep in mind, they only play once per week while the Braves play 81 games at home from late spring to early autumn. When it comes to selling season tickets, nobody wants to go to downtown Atlanta more than once per week.
First off I have been fortunate to be a braves season ticket holder at all three stadiums. I like the battery a lot. Mainly since the one thing that was lost going from AFC stadium to Turner field were all the parks and playgrounds around the stadium. AFC to this day was the easiest to pregame professional sports stadium I’ve ever been too. Also I never felt scared in Summerhill, most of the complaints were by people who never would go to a game in the first place. One criticism for the video was the lack of understanding of how much control and revenue the city/county got from turner field. The braves had literally no control over parking or food. The family/small buisness owned parking lots were safer and easier to leave from. The Food overall at the stadium degraded year after year with prices continuing to rise. If you really want to understand why the situation is so much better for the braves you just have to see pictures of Tuner field in 2004 vs truest park 2024. Trust looks new still and Turner field looked faded/worn.
i loved both stadiums even having a big sticker put over my wall of a game of the 2010 nlds at turner field and i even have Freddie freeman's last homerun hit in turner field but i just like truist parks aesthetics and modern look way more and watching them win a world series for the first time in my life a couple years ago was amazing go braves
who else is a braves fan because of TBS?
As an antlanta fan, my only hope for a sport was baseball… I thought
In the comments i am noticing a racist trend that white flight was a leading issue. Apparently these folks have never been to cobb county or the stadium. Diversity is alive and well, Cobb County just keeps it safe for all families.