CAMM2 is actually really cool. The shorter signal length means that this enables higher bandwidth. So many workloads today are bottlenecked by bandwidth. The form factor sure looks strange, but it's just as modular and replaceable, very good!
Sort of, as of right now desktop RAM is still faster, but thats because of their higher power draw. Part of the reason for CAMM on mobile was allowing for higher speeds, without higher power usage, but i suspect once we start hitting DDR5 12000 we might need the CAMM/2 standard for faster memory. Of note, a homelab would be a great use for CAMM/2 set and forget, uses less power, allows for better CPU cooling in a low profile, a win-win-win They said the same thing about SODIMM DDR4 generally topping out at 3800 VS LPDDR4 going to 4266 "The traces are shorter, so they can go faster" When i overclocked some desktop B-dye to 5000C17 with a 5700G in gear1/CR1 around the same time LPDDR4X was hitting 4600 Oh and CAMM2 hitting 7600? I've had an 8700G with 48GB of 8000 for more than 6 months, and thats not even an overclocking the RAM, thats just XMP(didnt have an EXPO kit of this capacity/speed).
@@denvera1g1 ddr6 starts at 12800. i think that the 10600 range of speeds is probably the upper tier achievable for ddr5. DId you notice the CL timings on that 10600 mhz. it def looks like camm2 and back connect motherboards are probably the future for builds
CAMM2 has a place in laptops, but I have zero interest for desktop. LGA sockets are too prone to getting damaged. Buying used motherboards is an even worse crapshoot now because of those sockets.
@@iguanac6466 FYI the interface is supposed to be replaceable, with a much more durable LGA interface on the motherboard, so basically the replaceable bridge is pins on both sides
@@iguanac6466 you have zero interest in lower memory latency? wheres your solution to achieving this and if so submit it to jedec like dell did for camm
Have you looked around CAMM isnt new........ There are alot of reviews out there, and laptops that already use it. My dell laptop is CAMM2 for example.
@@AnIdiotAboard_Dell’s custom CAMM spec was first introduced into its laptops in April 2022. The JEDEC standardized CAMM2 was announced June last year and finalized this past December. The first laptops with CAMM2 and motherboards were just announced over the past month. Dell’s laptops have not been updated to the CAMM2 spec yet and the modules are not compatible between the two. I’m really curious what the hell you consider new.
I wonder how much of a benefit that would be to Latency if you can put all of the memory one chip vs. splitting it between 2 to 4 Dimms? Im really interested in how this will go.
CAMM2 is a fkin game changer, you mean to tell me for all eternity we have had these damn notches and now we just need a screw. For the love of God make this the industry standard with up to 5tb with speeds over 10k. Flat CAMM ladies and gentlemen make it the standard
CAMM2 modules run cooler not only because of their proximity to the CPU socket, but also because for a given speed a DIMM module requires more voltage. Also, the traces from CAMM2 modules are shorter than their DIMM counter parts, making communication with the CPU faster. CAMM2 was originally designed by, I think it was Dell, in order to get better memory performance for their laptops, but they've proven so good that desk tops would benefit a great deal. If you are all about performance, CAMM2 is it.
Dell also designed it to reduce the thickness of their laptops as so-dimm slots especially layered so-dimm slots add a height restriction. Which OEMs get around by soldering ram onto the board but that means you can't upgrade it and if one the ram chips goes funky... if you don't have access to the relevant parts and gear to do the repair or out of warranty you're... effectively f*cked.
Desktop would "benefit a great deal"....how much is a great deal? A couple watts in a desktop especially a workstation means nothing, and RAM is hardly a contributor to heat output. What's the ACTUAL saving? 5 watts? For everyday computing a few more GBs of bandwidth means nothing and a slight reduction from what? 65ns to 55ns? 50ns? Noticeable...in a benchmark that measures only that maybe. This is oversold, I can smell it. Will cost savings be passed on to the consumer if it is easier to manufacture for as a standard? Or more like it just means more money lining their pockets? I suspect the later. For desktop this is a solution looking for a problem.
@@Berserkism your reply is relevant if you only take into account power consumption, and even there you're shooting from the hip with your numbers. The ability to run the same clock speeds at a lower voltage gives you more head room for performance. It also provides for greater stability because less heat is generated and heat is a function of voltage and power consumption. This is very attractive to mobo manufacturers and PC enthusiast. More than that, is just better tech. If you'd even given a half hearted attempt to reading up the standard on your own you might be less inclined to be so one dimensional in your assessment and then use it to minimizing my post. But, I guess, you prove the Dunning-Kruger effect is still alive and well.
@@woofkaf7724 Nope, LPDDR5 CAMM2 is designed for low power utilisation for battery life. Whereas on desktops, performance matters the most not battery life.
CAMM2 is very intriguing. Being able to add your CAMM2 module to a custom water-cooling loop should be fun. With stuff like CAMM2, back-connect motherboards, and some of the PSU designs like the Corsair RM Shift and the new Lian-Li design with the "ledge", it's cool to see manufacturers experimenting with things to try and make PC building easier and/or prettier.
7:27 I wish stuff like that came as standalone water blocks. There’s so many water block/pump combos that are only available as AIOs and I want them for a custom loop so bad
Interesting point. You might be able to use two modules, or do so more easily that way too. It'll be interesting to see what the early adopters do with it.
@@mc_sim lmao this isn't that much different from M.2 drives on the back of mobo's, which is already happening. Don't speak on what you don't know about.
3:47 One possible solution would be the rumored STRIX HALO, 256 bit memory bus, so one of these cards on the front of the board, one on the back, and ~200GB/s bandwidth for a monster APU. I'd personally rather the socket shift over slightly and then get one card on either side of the socket, but that would mean a long distance between the two 128 bit memory controllers on die, or one of the cards having much longer traces which would require reduced speeds and higher latencies.
CAMM2 all the way, DIMM is a very, very old design and engineers have to take care of all the "workarounds" to use DIMM these days, CAMM makes so many things so much easier for MB designs and will probably allow higher speeds over time compared to DIMM, also maybe CAMM will allow notebook designs to be modular again? At least some of them.
About air coolers and CAMM memory, many years ago, my brother used to have this air cooler that had 2 fans, one mounted perpendicular to the motherboard like they normally do, but it had a second fan parallel to the board, with a fin and heatpipes design that reached over the DIMMs, throwing air towards the board, it had a plastic shroud resembling a sports car engine. It was called the V6 ou V8, i never managed to find that cooler again, but loved that design. I hope the CAMM form factor allow this design to be more popular, with 2 or 3 fans, having at least one of them parallel to the motherboard.
Or even GPU style cooler for CPUs, with double or triple fans parallel to the motherboard throwing air towards the board, i believe there already are GPU coolers capable of cooling some CPUs in this configuration.
PC World covered a stackable single channel CAMM2 module that you can get up to 512 GB of dual channel memory. But I don't think it's ready on desktop yet
I like the move to a cleaner looking motherboard with no wires and stuff in the front side. we are all using glass cases and rgb and stuff so cleaner less wires and stuff is a lot nice to look at. the new memory goes right along with that low profile and probably a lot of customization releasing in the aftermarket will make it trick for sure. plus, the gpus with built in rads taking up like 3-4 slots so we don't have extra stuff running all over. I'm guessing in the next year we will see a pc with no wires at all in the front and being super glorious.
I think CAMM2 is going to gain traction. Probably see a water cooling accessory for it too. Looking forward to see new cooling solution for the additional space around CPU and CAMM2.
sure there are a lot of positives with those camm2 modules. i am a bit concerned about that extra pcp that needs to be in between. it seems like a part you need to be extremly carefull with. somewhat like the cpu socket. i guess i would like to see it in the hands of testers or in the wild
As for the case with 6 120mm fans on bottom and 6 more on top, I wonder how 2 180mm fans on bottom and 2 on top would work in comparison. I know 2x160mm fans work better than 3x120mm fans in my experience 🤔
i thought this is a disadvantage/increases e-waste due to upgrading full modules instead of adding module every time u want more RAM, maybe expensive to upgrade to brand new high capacity module.. but then, with this technology memory density is doubled. so i think it will get cheaper too. right now single 32GB sticks are expensive,64GB sticks is super rare. for example, if you have a budget for 32GB(2x16) sticks now and plan to expand to 64GB later, and if CAMM2 enables 64GB capacity modules for same price as 32GB, then you wont need to upgrade again.. with modules becoming cheaper and with higher density. i think having 32GB,64GB in a beginner build build will become normal..
here's an idea.. build the ram and m.2 drives and video cards right on the motherboards.. add a battery and display.. it would be super portable.. we'll call it a tablet.. can even add a keyboard that acts like a cover! what a great idea
Need to know more about CAMM 2. My first worry is about heat and fire. The wood gives cases a 1970s Hi-Fi system feel. Better than plastic for the environment. But I may stick with metal.
48GB? 96GB with a full size module? I can see motherboard makers adding a second "slot" on the back as what I'm assuming would be channel 3 and 4, bringing quad channel memory to the consumer level.
Isn't Apple kinda doing this already? Its cool these will be faster but what I really love is it opens up a ton of space for tower coolers and other stuff.
YES to CAMM 2. My 14900K is ok with the BeQuiet Elite but not great. I don't want to use water cause of maintenance issues. Once you get to my age, you'll understand lol. I just don't want to fix anything anymore.
@@justjaaay696 Yup, that's a terrible idea not to mention it's impractical and not actually phyiscally possible as the CPU socket also needs own traces. They could in theory put the camm2 module a few mm away from the socket so it's practically touching the socket. But that's not going to happen given how much heat for example Intel's CPUs are generating at the moment... lol... that heat would cause all manner of issues. AMD might cycle back to a similar position a few years down the line, who knows.
There will be a time where coolers will be just a wide thin block of heatsink slapped on the board, cooling all the parts as all pc parts are just laying flat.
I’m never comfortable with a complete change of form factor, but I can’t deny integration seems to be the wave of the future. Probably just a matter of time before the full Apple-style SoC pushes its way into PCs.
AMD is already working on ARM SOCs, Intel is nowhere near that yet. Nvidia well... they don't have motherboard userbase that Intel and AMD have but they could get into the game with their Tegra SOCs once the gold rush in the Ai space dries up. Qualcomm already has robust mobile SOCs so it remains to be seen if they can break X64-X86 monopoly in the desktop space. But they first need to prove themselves with Windows-on-ARM X64 emulation performance. Other than Mac, whether we like it or not currently Microsoft is the other option. But with the rate of silly decisions Microsoft is making... they maybe not so prevalent in a generation or two. Linux already has hiccups with Win32 emulation but it's gotten pretty good with Proton. So, if Microsoft is not careful Valve could make a play for the desktop space.
Camm 2 will be amazing, in some time a company will put an LCD screen on it and that'll be even more room for customization for pcs, you can put other specs displayed there or some gif, then theres a lot of other reasons why its a cool and good new option
Putting all those memory chips on one chip is going to be expensive, I think. and the CAMM2 is taking up more space than a regular ram slot which I think hurts upgradability a bit by forcing you to buy all the ram upfront instead of in pieces as a lot of pc builders do overtime when needed.
This does not make sense for desktop computers, or full ATX (even mATX). For NUC, Laptops, and ITX boards I can see the usage. For full size it just seems dumb.
The problem with CAMM 2 modules will be expandability. if you start with 16gb and then decide down the road to get 32gb you will need to buy another full module of 32 gb, no more adding and extra 1x16 or 2x8 stick to your setup. Unless companies start making boards that will take two modules if needed, because dumping a 32gb module to get a 64gb one will be expensive for sure.
I'm really shocked how difficult this is, camm2 is about better board protection since only the GPU would be sticking out. It also helps right to repair
I can imagine heatsinks for the CPU having shrouds on the first fan that pulls air closer to the CAMM2 module before pushing it through the cooler. Alternatively, dedicated heatsink fan combos just for the CAMM2 module that mounts to the screw holes used for mounting the module to be used when using a water coolers to ensure the module gets cooled.
i think the coolest bit of CAMM is the replaceable socket. that's a big deal! if CPU sockets could do that, that's WAY less e-waste, way less warranty.
It's just a new package to sell ram. No more upgrading by adding ram. So more money for ram manufacturers. More of a pain the a$$ for the rest of us. I think that drawback out weighs any minor advantage it would have.
At first I thought camm2 was ugly. But camm2 grew on me. Cause faster less latency and what not but also it would look more clean with a nice heatsink or elegant or minimalist design would be nice. So if they release a white amd camm2 motherboard I would buy. (If they are priced reasonably.)
If theyre not stackable, I dont see how these are going to be better for end users. Theyre essentially doing what Apple does, making you lock in to the highest end spec unless you want to rebuy larger capacities in the future as opposed to upgrading.
How can you talk about CAMM and not ignore talking about the giant fan over the CAMM slot to cool it because they can't put cooling directly on it. This is going to be another cooling or fan system cost in the future. I can imagine the cooling systems costing the same or more than the memory itself.
CAMM2 is actually really cool. The shorter signal length means that this enables higher bandwidth. So many workloads today are bottlenecked by bandwidth. The form factor sure looks strange, but it's just as modular and replaceable, very good!
Sort of, as of right now desktop RAM is still faster, but thats because of their higher power draw.
Part of the reason for CAMM on mobile was allowing for higher speeds, without higher power usage, but i suspect once we start hitting DDR5 12000 we might need the CAMM/2 standard for faster memory.
Of note, a homelab would be a great use for CAMM/2 set and forget, uses less power, allows for better CPU cooling in a low profile, a win-win-win
They said the same thing about SODIMM DDR4 generally topping out at 3800 VS LPDDR4 going to 4266 "The traces are shorter, so they can go faster"
When i overclocked some desktop B-dye to 5000C17 with a 5700G in gear1/CR1 around the same time LPDDR4X was hitting 4600
Oh and CAMM2 hitting 7600?
I've had an 8700G with 48GB of 8000 for more than 6 months, and thats not even an overclocking the RAM, thats just XMP(didnt have an EXPO kit of this capacity/speed).
@@denvera1g1 ddr6 starts at 12800. i think that the 10600 range of speeds is probably the upper tier achievable for ddr5. DId you notice the CL timings on that 10600 mhz.
it def looks like camm2 and back connect motherboards are probably the future for builds
CAMM2 has a place in laptops, but I have zero interest for desktop. LGA sockets are too prone to getting damaged. Buying used motherboards is an even worse crapshoot now because of those sockets.
@@iguanac6466 FYI the interface is supposed to be replaceable, with a much more durable LGA interface on the motherboard, so basically the replaceable bridge is pins on both sides
@@iguanac6466 you have zero interest in lower memory latency? wheres your solution to achieving this and if so submit it to jedec like dell did for camm
I CAMM't wait for actual reviews and in-depth on what CAMM 2 is capable of.
Have you looked around CAMM isnt new........ There are alot of reviews out there, and laptops that already use it. My dell laptop is CAMM2 for example.
@@AnIdiotAboard_yes but it’s usually been something you couldn’t buy on its own and swap out for testing purposes
@@AnIdiotAboard_Dell’s custom CAMM spec was first introduced into its laptops in April 2022. The JEDEC standardized CAMM2 was announced June last year and finalized this past December. The first laptops with CAMM2 and motherboards were just announced over the past month. Dell’s laptops have not been updated to the CAMM2 spec yet and the modules are not compatible between the two. I’m really curious what the hell you consider new.
@@FunningRast it's brand new provided by work. The previous one was also camm2 but that's no in the easter bin.
@@AnIdiotAboard_Like I said. If it was Dell. It was CAMM not CAMM2.
I demand that Lyle make an appearance soon. I miss that guy.
yeah he has better personality than kyle. More genuine too.
Yeah Lyle is the real deal, Kyle is just a poser
Me too. He was straight forward and always shot from the hip.
I bet the guys over at Noctua are drooling over the extra space CAMM offers for air coolers
I could see cpu heatsinks being designed to also touch these ram "plates?" to cool them. Would be interesting to see how it plays out.
I wonder how much of a benefit that would be to Latency if you can put all of the memory one chip vs. splitting it between 2 to 4 Dimms? Im really interested in how this will go.
CAMM2 is a fkin game changer, you mean to tell me for all eternity we have had these damn notches and now we just need a screw. For the love of God make this the industry standard with up to 5tb with speeds over 10k. Flat CAMM ladies and gentlemen make it the standard
Love the idea of cam2. Especially when working with air coolers
My only concern is pricing. Hopefully it won't be way too expensive
What capacity would they start off? 16GB? 32?
Probably 8, to milk you dry. 😂
Ram stick have been the same for so long now, it's about time we see some changes.
*ITS OVER 9000!*
CAMM2 modules run cooler not only because of their proximity to the CPU socket, but also because for a given speed a DIMM module requires more voltage. Also, the traces from CAMM2 modules are shorter than their DIMM counter parts, making communication with the CPU faster.
CAMM2 was originally designed by, I think it was Dell, in order to get better memory performance for their laptops, but they've proven so good that desk tops would benefit a great deal.
If you are all about performance, CAMM2 is it.
Dell also designed it to reduce the thickness of their laptops as so-dimm slots especially layered so-dimm slots add a height restriction. Which OEMs get around by soldering ram onto the board but that means you can't upgrade it and if one the ram chips goes funky... if you don't have access to the relevant parts and gear to do the repair or out of warranty you're... effectively f*cked.
Desktop would "benefit a great deal"....how much is a great deal? A couple watts in a desktop especially a workstation means nothing, and RAM is hardly a contributor to heat output. What's the ACTUAL saving? 5 watts? For everyday computing a few more GBs of bandwidth means nothing and a slight reduction from what? 65ns to 55ns? 50ns? Noticeable...in a benchmark that measures only that maybe. This is oversold, I can smell it. Will cost savings be passed on to the consumer if it is easier to manufacture for as a standard? Or more like it just means more money lining their pockets? I suspect the later. For desktop this is a solution looking for a problem.
@@Berserkism your reply is relevant if you only take into account power consumption, and even there you're shooting from the hip with your numbers.
The ability to run the same clock speeds at a lower voltage gives you more head room for performance. It also provides for greater stability because less heat is generated and heat is a function of voltage and power consumption. This is very attractive to mobo manufacturers and PC enthusiast. More than that, is just better tech.
If you'd even given a half hearted attempt to reading up the standard on your own you might be less inclined to be so one dimensional in your assessment and then use it to minimizing my post. But, I guess, you prove the Dunning-Kruger effect is still alive and well.
Why not just set it up like laptop memory?
Money
@@woofkaf7724 Nope, LPDDR5 CAMM2 is designed for low power utilisation for battery life. Whereas on desktops, performance matters the most not battery life.
was there a CAMM 1?
CAMM2 is very intriguing. Being able to add your CAMM2 module to a custom water-cooling loop should be fun. With stuff like CAMM2, back-connect motherboards, and some of the PSU designs like the Corsair RM Shift and the new Lian-Li design with the "ledge", it's cool to see manufacturers experimenting with things to try and make PC building easier and/or prettier.
7:27 I wish stuff like that came as standalone water blocks. There’s so many water block/pump combos that are only available as AIOs and I want them for a custom loop so bad
i think the camm is probably gonna be mounted on the back of the mobo soon. it just makes the most space saving sense.
Interesting point. You might be able to use two modules, or do so more easily that way too. It'll be interesting to see what the early adopters do with it.
you need a case to support that also. not gonna happen.
Fuck no, it needs airflow to cool it properly, plus cases aren't built for that.
@@mc_sim lmao this isn't that much different from M.2 drives on the back of mobo's, which is already happening. Don't speak on what you don't know about.
@@trignite why are you so confidentally incorrect?
3:47 One possible solution would be the rumored STRIX HALO, 256 bit memory bus, so one of these cards on the front of the board, one on the back, and ~200GB/s bandwidth for a monster APU.
I'd personally rather the socket shift over slightly and then get one card on either side of the socket, but that would mean a long distance between the two 128 bit memory controllers on die, or one of the cards having much longer traces which would require reduced speeds and higher latencies.
CAMM2 all the way, DIMM is a very, very old design and engineers have to take care of all the "workarounds" to use DIMM these days, CAMM makes so many things so much easier for MB designs and will probably allow higher speeds over time compared to DIMM, also maybe CAMM will allow notebook designs to be modular again? At least some of them.
My only problem with CAMM2 is just how you gotta drop the entire thing, at minimum give me 2 CAMM2 sockets and it’ll all be fine
About air coolers and CAMM memory, many years ago, my brother used to have this air cooler that had 2 fans, one mounted perpendicular to the motherboard like they normally do, but it had a second fan parallel to the board, with a fin and heatpipes design that reached over the DIMMs, throwing air towards the board, it had a plastic shroud resembling a sports car engine. It was called the V6 ou V8, i never managed to find that cooler again, but loved that design. I hope the CAMM form factor allow this design to be more popular, with 2 or 3 fans, having at least one of them parallel to the motherboard.
Or even GPU style cooler for CPUs, with double or triple fans parallel to the motherboard throwing air towards the board, i believe there already are GPU coolers capable of cooling some CPUs in this configuration.
So only one port? No adding more memory later, you have replace the old one (and yes, maybe sell) totally?
PC World covered a stackable single channel CAMM2 module that you can get up to 512 GB of dual channel memory. But I don't think it's ready on desktop yet
@@JBrinx18 Cool, tyvm
I like the move to a cleaner looking motherboard with no wires and stuff in the front side. we are all using glass cases and rgb and stuff so cleaner less wires and stuff is a lot nice to look at. the new memory goes right along with that low profile and probably a lot of customization releasing in the aftermarket will make it trick for sure. plus, the gpus with built in rads taking up like 3-4 slots so we don't have extra stuff running all over. I'm guessing in the next year we will see a pc with no wires at all in the front and being super glorious.
Does it support OC?
google is saying this is only replacing the sodim. was under the impression it was replacing all ram
Youre the best ❤
How are they going to RGB it?
I think CAMM2 is going to gain traction. Probably see a water cooling accessory for it too. Looking forward to see new cooling solution for the additional space around CPU and CAMM2.
That G351 case is quite literally just a Jonsbo D300 with 'front' aio.
sure there are a lot of positives with those camm2 modules. i am a bit concerned about that extra pcp that needs to be in between. it seems like a part you need to be extremly carefull with. somewhat like the cpu socket.
i guess i would like to see it in the hands of testers or in the wild
I think laptops and small form factors would benefit the most out of the new ram modules
Camm2 is really an evolution for ram in laptop and desktop so i think this is a good idea. Like nvme ssd.
As for the case with 6 120mm fans on bottom and 6 more on top, I wonder how 2 180mm fans on bottom and 2 on top would work in comparison. I know 2x160mm fans work better than 3x120mm fans in my experience 🤔
i thought this is a disadvantage/increases e-waste due to upgrading full modules instead of adding module every time u want more RAM, maybe expensive to upgrade to brand new high capacity module.. but then, with this technology memory density is doubled. so i think it will get cheaper too. right now single 32GB sticks are expensive,64GB sticks is super rare. for example, if you have a budget for 32GB(2x16) sticks now and plan to expand to 64GB later, and if CAMM2 enables 64GB capacity modules for same price as 32GB, then you wont need to upgrade again.. with modules becoming cheaper and with higher density. i think having 32GB,64GB in a beginner build build will become normal..
100% YES is time change socket memory module short equale linge between cpu and ram ❤
2:30 single or dual chanel? :/
I like terabytes of ram, can CAMM2 support that?
When is this coming to MB?
I wish they would bring back cases with an optical drive bay. I like watching my DVDs without the need for streaming or internet.
Pop Air from Fractal has 2 bays at the bottom
So no more dual channel?
here's an idea.. build the ram and m.2 drives and video cards right on the motherboards.. add a battery and display.. it would be super portable.. we'll call it a tablet.. can even add a keyboard that acts like a cover! what a great idea
Need to know more about CAMM 2. My first worry is about heat and fire. The wood gives cases a 1970s Hi-Fi system feel. Better than plastic for the environment. But I may stick with metal.
You CAMM do it !
Are they gonna have ridiculous lights n water cooling?
Put it on the back of Mini ITX boards please.
48GB? 96GB with a full size module?
I can see motherboard makers adding a second "slot" on the back as what I'm assuming would be channel 3 and 4, bringing quad channel memory to the consumer level.
Isn't Apple kinda doing this already? Its cool these will be faster but what I really love is it opens up a ton of space for tower coolers and other stuff.
Lcd screens will be designed with a heatsink to sit on the ram.
I can't wait to see what of rgb solutions they'll have for them
IF CAMM2 can sit behind the cpu think of the amazing speeds you can get because of signal intergretity
Two thumbs up for CAMM 2.
YES to CAMM 2. My 14900K is ok with the BeQuiet Elite but not great. I don't want to use water cause of maintenance issues. Once you get to my age, you'll understand lol. I just don't want to fix anything anymore.
Upgradable ram in laptops again?? LET'S GOOO
This is best for ITX /SFF cases
A little weird but I do think ITX builds will have a lot flexibility. Think about all the cooling you can do without worrying about RAM clearance
CAMM 2!!!
And again I'm loving so many cases having the front PORTS, I really hate them being on top!
I really love mikes case!
As long as the performance is improved CAMM2 is a win in my book. In theory it could allow for a more interesting watercool layout.
Can't wait for a massive cpu/ram cooler with lcd screen. That'll be awesome.
They could also mount that CAMM2 memory on the back of the motherboard right behind the CPU.
not sure this is a good idea, they would get overheated passively by the cpu socket spilling heat on the back
@@justjaaay696 Yup, that's a terrible idea not to mention it's impractical and not actually phyiscally possible as the CPU socket also needs own traces. They could in theory put the camm2 module a few mm away from the socket so it's practically touching the socket. But that's not going to happen given how much heat for example Intel's CPUs are generating at the moment... lol... that heat would cause all manner of issues. AMD might cycle back to a similar position a few years down the line, who knows.
Well done!
There will be a time where coolers will be just a wide thin block of heatsink slapped on the board, cooling all the parts as all pc parts are just laying flat.
They could put a 2nd CAMM2 mount on the back of the MB
I’m never comfortable with a complete change of form factor, but I can’t deny integration seems to be the wave of the future. Probably just a matter of time before the full Apple-style SoC pushes its way into PCs.
AMD is already working on ARM SOCs, Intel is nowhere near that yet. Nvidia well... they don't have motherboard userbase that Intel and AMD have but they could get into the game with their Tegra SOCs once the gold rush in the Ai space dries up. Qualcomm already has robust mobile SOCs so it remains to be seen if they can break X64-X86 monopoly in the desktop space. But they first need to prove themselves with Windows-on-ARM X64 emulation performance. Other than Mac, whether we like it or not currently Microsoft is the other option. But with the rate of silly decisions Microsoft is making... they maybe not so prevalent in a generation or two. Linux already has hiccups with Win32 emulation but it's gotten pretty good with Proton. So, if Microsoft is not careful Valve could make a play for the desktop space.
Camm 2 will be amazing, in some time a company will put an LCD screen on it and that'll be even more room for customization for pcs, you can put other specs displayed there or some gif, then theres a lot of other reasons why its a cool and good new option
Anything that could improve memory performance is always a must!
Static electricity on tips of my fingers?? No, never heard about 😄
I foresee an expansion card that could hold 2 to 4 of these soon
Once CAMM2 becomes mainstream, all current DDR5 dimms rams obsolete. I'll keep my old pc for another several years...
Putting all those memory chips on one chip is going to be expensive, I think. and the CAMM2 is taking up more space than a regular ram slot which I think hurts upgradability a bit by forcing you to buy all the ram upfront instead of in pieces as a lot of pc builders do overtime when needed.
You can't add more memory incrementally.
I really want a camm2 itx monoblock
That would a be requirement for Gen 5 NVMEs... I've seen a 120 AIO for a *single* Gen5 NVME. So a single monoblock of ITX is not far imo.
This does not make sense for desktop computers, or full ATX (even mATX).
For NUC, Laptops, and ITX boards I can see the usage.
For full size it just seems dumb.
Cant wait for rgb or argb lights all over CAMM2 modules lol
The problem with CAMM 2 modules will be expandability. if you start with 16gb and then decide down the road to get 32gb you will need to buy another full module of 32 gb, no more adding and extra 1x16 or 2x8 stick to your setup. Unless companies start making boards that will take two modules if needed, because dumping a 32gb module to get a 64gb one will be expensive for sure.
CAMM2 and mITX... how would that work? Maybe we'll see them in the back?
0:52 i am expecting someone gonna use a GPU cooler for their CPU if thats the case.
the CAMM2 form-factor is long overdue
should have came out at the same time as M.2
I wish they did that with GPUs.
max size camm2 is 256 gb
Gskill coming in for the kill 😮
Not a fan of the cam2 memory on a desktop. For OEM builds I guess it might make sense for them but for custom builds that just limits upgrade options.
I can't wait to see what kind of RGB or screen they put on the face of them 😂
i already can see watercooling maniacs sticking waterblock to these flat modules
DDR4 10600 🤯🤯🤯🤯
CAMM 2 perfect for watercooling
I'm really shocked how difficult this is, camm2 is about better board protection since only the GPU would be sticking out. It also helps right to repair
Taking away expandability with one big stick, it’ll cost way more to get a bigger speed stick, for upgrading
i dig the chimney
Now you can put a screen on the CAMM2 heat sink :P
more rgb to keep me up at night :D
ssshhhh!! stop giving then ideas.
"There's already one with a screen on it". Was my first thought. Lol.
That modular AIO is SICK!
I can imagine heatsinks for the CPU having shrouds on the first fan that pulls air closer to the CAMM2 module before pushing it through the cooler. Alternatively, dedicated heatsink fan combos just for the CAMM2 module that mounts to the screw holes used for mounting the module to be used when using a water coolers to ensure the module gets cooled.
i think the coolest bit of CAMM is the replaceable socket. that's a big deal! if CPU sockets could do that, that's WAY less e-waste, way less warranty.
are they potentially faster ? because that would do wonders for integrated graphics
It's just a new package to sell ram. No more upgrading by adding ram. So more money for ram manufacturers. More of a pain the a$$ for the rest of us. I think that drawback out weighs any minor advantage it would have.
At first I thought camm2 was ugly. But camm2 grew on me. Cause faster less latency and what not but also it would look more clean with a nice heatsink or elegant or minimalist design would be nice.
So if they release a white amd camm2 motherboard I would buy. (If they are priced reasonably.)
If theyre not stackable, I dont see how these are going to be better for end users. Theyre essentially doing what Apple does, making you lock in to the highest end spec unless you want to rebuy larger capacities in the future as opposed to upgrading.
How can you talk about CAMM and not ignore talking about the giant fan over the CAMM slot to cool it because they can't put cooling directly on it. This is going to be another cooling or fan system cost in the future. I can imagine the cooling systems costing the same or more than the memory itself.