I don't know but I think the first thinkpad to use chiclet was the X230 and it featured as an option a backlit keyboard. Maybe when they where implemented the backlit they decided it was easier to do with a chiclet design. I know on some newer thinkpads you can do a mod to fit an older style keyboard in them, which is pretty popular.
ive had both for a few years and i couldnt really tell the difference. when you press the A key an A appears on the screen, when you press the B key a B appears on the screen etc etc what more do you want! :D
It's basically what computer monitors have INSTEAD of 720p. Also 1080i TVs are actually that, normally EDIT: Except there's also 1360 x 768 and one of them is the weird one.
@@Aiden-vj2tg I switch back and forth between a 25" 1080p monitor and a few different laptops with 1366x768 screens constantly. I see no real difference. Maybe if you were using a 25" 1366x768 panel, but on a laptop it's really no big visual difference for me on 11.6", 14", and 15.6" laptop displays.
@@smileyguyz the real difference is everything renders larger to meet the same pixel requirements and field of view in video games is much reduced. If you decrease the size of things such as text it becomes blurry with unfocused edges
I have an X201i with a Core i3 and an X220 with a Core i5. I'd say that they are basically comparable, but the wider display on the X220 'and the slightly faster processor) are worthwhile improvements. A Core2Duo is really a bit slow for modern use. I had an R500 with one, and when it finally died, I was shocked by how much faster the replacement was at web browsing and multi-tasking. My web browser frequently bloats up to 3Gb or so all by itself, so I consider 8Gb to be a minimum, even for routine use. 16 Gb is nice (I have this in my home W510), but 8Gb in the portable X-Series laptops is probably enough. That's what I'm using. An SSD is definitely a big upgrade and highly recommended.
I always hit my 4gb limit, sometimes just browsing. 8 is great but if you like to run virtual machines for even visual novels because dealing with wine is annoying, it's a nice guarantee. Same with core2duo vs i5/i7 Now if you use 7zip and need to compress shit, a i7 and 16gb is 100% benefit. EDIT: 1366x768 is standard for laptops even now. You should get a 1600x900 or even 1080p ips for that x220, you wont regret it.
yeah man, browsers are absolutely notorious for wasting RAM like crazy.... just for opening a goddamn website. The sad truth is that developers have completely abandoned the idea of resource-friendliness and because of that you really need at least 8GB or RAM nowdays for a machine where you wanna do some web browsing on. Absolutely insane…
@@mateusgomes1086 Same here on full fat Linux Mint Cinnamon install with 4gb of ram and 2gb of swap. I rarely get over 3 gigs of usage and that's with Firefox running enough tabs to fill the top bar and maybe 500 megs used of swap. The worst I've seen was 3.7gb used with a full swap, but I also had more tabs with even heavier pages along with large projects open in Blender & Gimp AND Discord/Spotify open. I still find my 32gb of ram on my desktop useful though :)
@@leonbishop7404 To an extent, yeah I suppose it does. The 4gb of ram example I brought up was my HP stream with a Celeron N4020 and integrated graphics. Unless you're loading a bunch of vram heavy stuff, like a LOT, most people shouldn't notice any issues.
Something that really annoys me the most about the X220 is the lack of 16:10 displays. You lose soooo much usable screen space with 16:9 panels and for computer purposes 16:9 is the absolute worst and useless format. Especially on 12' subnotebooks. 16:10 always made more sense as it combined the best of both worlds. The vertical space of 4:3 and the horizontal space of 16:9.
This is what's making me want to track down an X200s or X201s with the 1440x900 display, more screen real estate than any X220/X230 model. Shame the display was never offered on the full-power versions of the X200 or X201 though.
Good news! You can actually swap the X201s display assembly with 1440x900 and screw it right on the full power X201. It's what I did and it works great!
@@jasongoulet-lipman7308 That's nice to know. I bought an X230 and got caught by the small screen 16:9 impossible to live with aspect ratio and also the really really bad touchpad. I did a bit more research and found out that the X201 is the best of them - screen better, build quality better, better keyboard, full power CPU (watch out for the s model low power CPUs) and ALSO THE X201 LOOKS TO HAVE THE LOVELY LITTLE TRACKPAD FROM THE EARLIER SERIES (X300) - I just ordered one today and I will be doing a full head to head of the X201 vs the X230 on my channel, including VIDEO RENDERING against the T400 / W500 as benchmark.
Man I wish I would have bought a x220 instead of the x230. Maybe one day they will find a way to make the x230 compatible with libreboot. Works with coreboot atm thou. It also doesn't have a classic keyboard but a chiclet one. I can deal with that I even got backlit on it. However knowing there is a mod to get a classic keyboard to fit on it makes me curious if I should invest in that. Thinkpads are really the best laptops, I hope they never stop making them.
The good news is that if the X220 is successfully Librebooted, the chances of the X230, T420 and other post-i5 posts getting a Libreboot increases drammatically. The modern Intel ME has been a big stalling factor in freeing the BIOS in later computers, but if the X220 is successful, that means that overcoming similar MEs in other devices should be much easier.
Is there any modern laptop that follows the thinkpad philosophy ? I mean in the sense of them being very easily reparable, parts being easily replaceable and laptops being upgradable. Of course without need to have the mptherboard exposed in order to acces hard drive or whatever. I ask because it is going to be more and more difficult to get parts to fix them as tome goes on. Even if you are very careful with your thinkpa, eventually we are going to run out of old second or third hand thinkpads to use. What do we do then ?
No. You can check it in their website: libreboot.org/docs/hardware/ However, it can run coreboot. Here's a link of a video showing it: ua-cam.com/video/hxQqvKc7xOA/v-deo.html If you want to know how to install Libreboot in an X200 check: ua-cam.com/video/ktcvWkEVBE0/v-deo.html If you want more information on coreboot in x200, check: ua-cam.com/video/9sSbFufySJk/v-deo.html P.D.: The guy from the first video is the same guy that fixed Luke's X220 from ua-cam.com/video/3X1LUlnhIAI/v-deo.html as you can check in ua-cam.com/video/zV1f8raveZo/v-deo.html
since some programs require at least a 1024x768 screen minimum (mostly older windows and some point of sell programs have this issue) causing some programs to have 48 pixels cut off a 1280x720 screen.
I know this is a 4yr ol' vídeo, but I just need to get this right. Coreboot is less potent than Libreboot in terms of cleaning up every Intel blob? I am only asking this question because I have an x220(t) and I would like to modify it to run Qubes.
You didn't mentioned different aspect ratios of the two screens (16:9 for X220, 16:10 for X200). Also, the X200 has only VGA output, hence a plugged external monitor may show a somewhat reduced video quality. Lastly, although Core 2 Duo may indeed be enough for most folks, it is not as energy sufficient as Core i5/i7 (read: reduced running time on battery).
I've used the x200 for years. The wifi card is weak, and though I replaced it, the bios beeps a lot on start up. Also overheating is definitely a problem. There are a few fixes around, but basically you have to take the keyboard off and hoover it out occasionally. I think I must have replaced the hard drive with the wrong ssd because the Crucial BX500 does a little but not that much for the speed.
Wouldn't we all be hype for a libreboot exploit for i5/i7 processors? It's not like anyone would be willing to give up their privacy and stick w/ the intel process manager just because it's "hard to install libreboot on their computer". :|
You underestimate the number of shameless and despondent normies who not only don't care, but will actively signal against you if you say obvious "conspiracy theorist" facts like what the ME does.
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@@mr_beezlebub3985 Yeah I know, but it's not a devs problem, and we need to blame Intel. Intel should release their ultra-super-mega secret ME's source code, which is easy, they only need to release it.
I have a Samsung 500GB and 1TB. I don't really have a preference of brands or anything though; I don't have any knowledge of performance differences (don't think it'd make much of a difference anyway). I just bought those that were the best prices when I looked.
For the X200, hardware is the only choice. I want to do a vid on this, but I won't have access to a non-Librebooted X200 for a couple months. I also gotta get a Rasberry Pi and the other equipment needed for it. If you want to install it on yours ASAP, there are some vid tutorial up on it already: ua-cam.com/video/CyxgYnOcsTw/v-deo.html
On x220 you can install coreboot with castrated ME, well it's not removed like on x200, but you have more performance. Hey, new Libreboot version is here.
The fact that ivybridge is now libreboot-able imo means that it should be recommended over both of these (you can change the keyboard to the x220 one, which should basically be mandatory)
Hi, I recently discovered this channel and am sort of fascinated by the idea of being converted from ubuntu to arch linux. I'd like to ask: How do you guys make use of the battery of X200 and X220? I mean, do you charge it all the time with the charger or like some said that we'd better configurate some threshold or sth else? Thanks in advance! (y)
Now that we're gradually moving to a world of 3D printing and decentralized manufacturing, this is more of a possibility. God knows traditional manufacturers have been resisting it. Having easily decomposible and repairable products is disasterous for brands but great for users.
Salty Man, the main difference is that the X200 use full voltage processors, which gives more grunt for some more heat and fan spinning with an incremental decrease in battery life, while the X200s uses a low powered one, which gives up some processing power for more battery life and less fans, along with a more portable design and weight. Some s models have a 1440 x 900 screen, but it is still that shitty TN display. But, good news! There *is* an AFFS mod for the X200/X201 (s included), which delivers radically better color and viewing angles! It's just a Google search away! Regards, darrung
Sweet stuff. If I may ask, as I have already but have not gotten an answer, what are your thoughts on the Acer Aspire 5100? If you've used it, in which I can understand if you have not.
A quick question, can my x200s use 6gb of ram (2*4) since on the lenovo website it states up to 4GB...I want to make my x200s a portable light gaming laptop....
If i asked what to choose between x220 and x200, i will choose the x200 because, they don't have a touchpad and more comfortable trackpoint buttons. Trackpoint only thinkpad is a very good machine.
What Thinkpad do you recommend for compiling programs? I do a lot of toolchain compiling and a little extra performance would be fine: I come from a Celeron n2840
Is the T400/500 with the P9400 Duo core 2 in the same category as the X200 with it's P8600 Duo core 2 with regards to being able to remove all the intel management engine and run a clean Libraboot/bios ?
Hey, should I get a t420 or a t510, of course the 420 has a stronger processor but the 510 comes with dedicated graphics. Is there some flaw to the t510 that its cheaper with dedicated graphics than the t420?
Hrm, it's important for me to be able to run Docker containers etc.. and for that I need hyper-v. Does the bios of these machines support it? If so I guess it's then just a case of upgrading the processor to match?
What do you all think of the x200s? There are some to sell in my city at lower prices than x200, are they cheaper made? There seem to be some particularities to take into considerations when librebooting, so I am not sure I want to buy it and not being able to libreboot it.
read the libreboot website :) It is possible, but some configurations concerning RAM is an issue. I have an x200, and I love it. But it gets too hot to be used as a primary computer and the process of librebooting seems very complicated to me :/ I need more elite friends.
they're basically the same thing. main difference is that the x200s can have a 1440x900 panel instead of the 1280x800 on the x200. www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X200 www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X200s
How about heat? Are there temperatures regular when laptops are idling and when you are doing something intensive ? Can you make a video about it and show the temperatures? cause small laptops usually have overheating issues Thanks a lot
My experience is going to be anecdotal, but I'll tell you: when I got my X200, it had just gotten new thermal paste; it keeps very cool and only starts heating up if it's on wool and doing something really intense. The X220 has not gotten new thermal paste in years and when I'm recording video, for example, it can get into 9X degrees celsius (too hot for my comfort!). I was actually ordering mini-screwdrivers now that I need to reapply thermal paste myself. I suspect it will be as cool as my X200 when I do, or at least manageable. So I'd say if you know how to reapply thermal paste or can have a friend do it, you shouldn't worry about it. Otherwise, you might want to buy one advertised as refurbished with new CPU paste.
ATM just these two and a desktop, although I eventually plan on having everything on my X220 and a dock (or the X200 if Librebooting the X220 does not become possible).
I do 3D modeling/sculpting/raytracing and I play games. I'm stuck with proprietary Nvidia drivers. I think I'm stuck not having libreboot since I have newer hardware.
So, if you have a libreboot intel core 2 duo computer for privacy, but you can't compile programs on it, you probably can't really do other private things on it like use bitcoin, right? I meant you COULD use it, but it's slow as molasses, right? Also tablet versus regular hinge version... I like tablet, and don't need/care for touchpads. I will take it or leave it, but I just want a sturdy hinge. I hear you need the pen to use the tablet anyway too, right?
I have x200 and I managed to upgrade it with win10 pro with Adobe Photoshop, coreldraw, video editor, google sketch, almost my multimedia laptop with 8gb ram and 500gb hdd. I also like the fingerprint security. After a year of usage with all the programs, i noticed that my laptop is easily heats up than before. What would be the problem? I hope i get a good response. Thanks.
I am a fan of the X200 running Windows 7. I always reinstall the OS when I get a new machine. I have difficulty installing the correct drivers to enable the onscreen volume and screen brightness display. I have trouble figuring out the minimal Intel driver software for the X200 that allows the onscreen display of volume and brightness. Does anyone know the sequence of software installs that provide on screen display of volume and brightness, but does not add any unnecessary software?
Not sure if this will help as this is months later, but I used an older version of the Hotkey Features Integration tool which enabled the onscreen volume, screen brightness, etc. Albeit with Windows 10 (Pro). Posted details here: forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Thinkpad-X200-7459-1P0-Upgraded-To-Windows-10-Pro-Can-t-Get/m-p/4046125/highlight/true#M84395 Saw a discussion on a Reddit thread originally. Happy 4GB RAM/240GB SSD X200 user with Windows 10 Pro :)
You can check the Libreboot website to see what motherboards they support. They've mostly focused on computers with native Intel processors, but there are a few others. I will say AMD processors have been just as bad; they have something analogous to the ME preventing Libreboot from being easy. Of course it's less the processor itself that's a problem and more what kind of garbage comes with it.
besides from the by libreboot supported hardware, are there some more companies that manufacture cpus/mainboards without these "additional features" and could possibly librebooted in the future?
There's a company called Purism that's removing as much as possible, but reality is you can't completely get away from it. All Intel chipsets since 2008 include the Management Engine. Up to the Core 2 series chips it could be disabled, which is what a Librebooted x200 does. In the Core i3/i5/i7 it's not possible to turn it off. The best that can be done is to trim down the ME firmware as much as possible, but the ME will shut the system down if it's not supplied a minimally valid firmware signed by Intel. AMD has something similar. The only way to completely avoid it is use x86 from before mid-2008 (like Thinkpad x60) or look at an ARM based system.
You just need two sticks of DDR2 RAM. Remember that you should also have a 64 bit operating system: 32 bit OSes have a RAM cap of around 4GB. Here's preceisely what I bought: www.ebay.com/itm/4GB-2x-2GB-Memory-RAM-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T60-T60p-T61-T61p-X60-X60s-X61-X61s-/121821155384?hash=item1c5d1b5038:g:nFUAAOSwHQ9WURoD
My x200s takes DDR3 (PC3-8500, 1066 MT/s). Did you post the link for an older Thinkpad by mistake? Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes System Information Manufacturer: LENOVO Product Name: 7470W1X Version: ThinkPad X200s ... Handle 0x0021, DMI type 17, 27 bytes Memory Device Array Handle: 0x0020 Error Information Handle: No Error Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 4096 MB Form Factor: SODIMM Set: None Locator: DIMM 1 Bank Locator: Bank 0/1 Type: DDR3 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 1066 MT/s Manufacturer: 0198 # (Kingston) Serial Number: 9208D61F Asset Tag: 1101 Part Number: 9905428-020.A00LF Handle 0x0022, DMI type 17, 27 bytes Memory Device Array Handle: 0x0020 Error Information Handle: No Error Total Width: 64 bits Data Width: 64 bits Size: 4096 MB Form Factor: SODIMM Set: None Locator: DIMM 2 Bank Locator: Bank 2/3 Type: DDR3 Type Detail: Synchronous Speed: 1066 MT/s Manufacturer: 0198 Serial Number: 9208D61F Asset Tag: 1101 Part Number: 9905428-020.A00LF
Can someone describe to me, a plebian modern thinkpad keyboard user, what the benefits of old thinkpad keyboards are and why they're so much better? I own only a W541 and an X140e and I already feel like they can't get any better.
@@f23anone82 To my knowledge, the Core series processors are significantly harder to libreboot. The project is pretty much dead. Coreboot still has a very active development and works on recent hardware. Tbh I'm content with coreboot.
@@f23anone82 Intel is the culprit. Blame them. Anyway Libreboot is a Coreboot distribution, so you can compile Coreboot and castrate ME, but it still be here (basic parts for boot) and only Intel knows what it does. Libreboot just won't accept and tolerate any blobs/proprietary software.
The X230 is much better. Here's why: Very easy to mod in X220 keyboard. Much faster and power efficient 3rd gen i5. Also runs cooler. Usb 3.0 on all models. Still the same chassis as the x220. Only difference was the kb and palmrest. Now the bios is unlocked so you can fit in other wifi cards and get rid of the battery whitelist. MUCH better graphics preformance.
@@PiceaSitchensis there are mods out there to fit a 16:10 13.3 FHD IPS display in however it's one of the harder thinkpad mods. Not recommended for beginners.
For some reason thats a really standard laptop resolution these days. I wish it was something like 1600x900 or higher, but that's what i get for buying cheap crap
1366x768 has been the most common resolution on laptops for years. It's done to keep scanline rate compatibility with the XGA standard (1024x768) and just increases the pixel clock. This stretches the display horizontally to accommodate a 16:9 format, hence 1366x768.
I wanna know who in the world first thought that chiclet style keyboards are better than classic keyboards.
I don't know but I think the first thinkpad to use chiclet was the X230 and it featured as an option a backlit keyboard. Maybe when they where implemented the backlit they decided it was easier to do with a chiclet design. I know on some newer thinkpads you can do a mod to fit an older style keyboard in them, which is pretty popular.
honestly man i prefer my t430's keyboard to the on my x220.
I prefer chiclet style keyboard than classic. Where's your God now?! :v
ive had both for a few years and i couldnt really tell the difference. when you press the A key an A appears on the screen, when you press the B key a B appears on the screen etc etc what more do you want! :D
@ zebble ganubi - Speed, accuracy and comfort with a non-confusing classic IBM layout. Thank you Santa, I have been a good boy this year.
1366 x 768 is actually a very common resolution. And just under 1920 x 1080. You could say its a small bit better than 1280 x 720 (720P)
It's basically what computer monitors have INSTEAD of 720p. Also 1080i TVs are actually that, normally
EDIT: Except there's also 1360 x 768 and one of them is the weird one.
1366×768 is so bad if you are used to 1920×1080. 900 is much better and almost comparable to 1080, but 768 is noticeably bad
@@Aiden-vj2tg I switch back and forth between a 25" 1080p monitor and a few different laptops with 1366x768 screens constantly. I see no real difference. Maybe if you were using a 25" 1366x768 panel, but on a laptop it's really no big visual difference for me on 11.6", 14", and 15.6" laptop displays.
@@smileyguyz the real difference is everything renders larger to meet the same pixel requirements and field of view in video games is much reduced. If you decrease the size of things such as text it becomes blurry with unfocused edges
>differences that can make a big difference
kek
at least you know it's not scripted lmao
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@@stumbling i didn't expect this guy to look like an otter
I have an X201i with a Core i3 and an X220 with a Core i5. I'd say that they are basically comparable, but the wider display on the X220 'and the slightly faster processor) are worthwhile improvements. A Core2Duo is really a bit slow for modern use. I had an R500 with one, and when it finally died, I was shocked by how much faster the replacement was at web browsing and multi-tasking.
My web browser frequently bloats up to 3Gb or so all by itself, so I consider 8Gb to be a minimum, even for routine use. 16 Gb is nice (I have this in my home W510), but 8Gb in the portable X-Series laptops is probably enough. That's what I'm using. An SSD is definitely a big upgrade and highly recommended.
*literally has the resolution printed out in front of him*
Uhh it's 1366 x 7-something
Discount proof that it's not scripted lmao
I always hit my 4gb limit, sometimes just browsing.
8 is great but if you like to run virtual machines for even visual novels because dealing with wine is annoying, it's a nice guarantee. Same with core2duo vs i5/i7
Now if you use 7zip and need to compress shit, a i7 and 16gb is 100% benefit.
EDIT:
1366x768 is standard for laptops even now.
You should get a 1600x900 or even 1080p ips for that x220, you wont regret it.
yeah man, browsers are absolutely notorious for wasting RAM like crazy.... just for opening a goddamn website. The sad truth is that developers have completely abandoned the idea of resource-friendliness and because of that you really need at least 8GB or RAM nowdays for a machine where you wanna do some web browsing on. Absolutely insane…
What OS do you use? I never went above 3GB when web browsing. I use arch btw
@@mateusgomes1086 Same here on full fat Linux Mint Cinnamon install with 4gb of ram and 2gb of swap. I rarely get over 3 gigs of usage and that's with Firefox running enough tabs to fill the top bar and maybe 500 megs used of swap. The worst I've seen was 3.7gb used with a full swap, but I also had more tabs with even heavier pages along with large projects open in Blender & Gimp AND Discord/Spotify open. I still find my 32gb of ram on my desktop useful though :)
@@smileyguyz iGPU also eats up ram so it matters if you have dedicated GPU or not
@@leonbishop7404 To an extent, yeah I suppose it does. The 4gb of ram example I brought up was my HP stream with a Celeron N4020 and integrated graphics. Unless you're loading a bunch of vram heavy stuff, like a LOT, most people shouldn't notice any issues.
I disabled the trackpad on my x220 too. It honestly just gets in the way when you primarily use the trackpoint, but makes for a comfy handrest.
Two videos in one day? Your spoiling us Luke.
ishi youre*
Something that really annoys me the most about the X220 is the lack of 16:10 displays. You lose soooo much usable screen space with 16:9 panels and for computer purposes 16:9 is the absolute worst and useless format. Especially on 12' subnotebooks. 16:10 always made more sense as it combined the best of both worlds. The vertical space of 4:3 and the horizontal space of 16:9.
This is what's making me want to track down an X200s or X201s with the 1440x900 display, more screen real estate than any X220/X230 model. Shame the display was never offered on the full-power versions of the X200 or X201 though.
Good news! You can actually swap the X201s display assembly with 1440x900 and screw it right on the full power X201. It's what I did and it works great!
@@jasongoulet-lipman7308 That's nice to know. I bought an X230 and got caught by the small screen 16:9 impossible to live with aspect ratio and also the really really bad touchpad. I did a bit more research and found out that the X201 is the best of them - screen better, build quality better, better keyboard, full power CPU (watch out for the s model low power CPUs) and ALSO THE X201 LOOKS TO HAVE THE LOVELY LITTLE TRACKPAD FROM THE EARLIER SERIES (X300) - I just ordered one today and I will be doing a full head to head of the X201 vs the X230 on my channel, including VIDEO RENDERING against the T400 / W500 as benchmark.
4 years later and we still dont have that libreboot for x220
osboot + me_cleaner
It triggers me that in the title X200 is on the left, while in the video it's to the right wrrrr.
Ikr oof
Proud X220 owner for 7 years!
Still working now???
what about now?
William Just need to upgrade some ram and hd for a SSD
It’s still alive and kicking!
@@abdulwahabjag Now it's dead..... NOT!
The X220 has a 7mm HD place and a Msata connector being able to have 2 drives on it. Always a plus.
b-b-but muh freedumbs!
(lol, let's hope Libreboot actually comes out for the X220)
did it come out?
@@nonma2312 no
@@RedFenceAnime ty. Can the t420 be libreboot?
@@nonma2312 no. iirc x220 can be librebooted but you gotta solder, t420 cant be librebooted, it can be corebooted afaik
I have a friend that i'm pretty sure has ported coreboot to x201 and maybe x220 as well
Man I wish I would have bought a x220 instead of the x230. Maybe one day they will find a way to make the x230 compatible with libreboot. Works with coreboot atm thou. It also doesn't have a classic keyboard but a chiclet one. I can deal with that I even got backlit on it. However knowing there is a mod to get a classic keyboard to fit on it makes me curious if I should invest in that. Thinkpads are really the best laptops, I hope they never stop making them.
The good news is that if the X220 is successfully Librebooted, the chances of the X230, T420 and other post-i5 posts getting a Libreboot increases drammatically. The modern Intel ME has been a big stalling factor in freeing the BIOS in later computers, but if the X220 is successful, that means that overcoming similar MEs in other devices should be much easier.
Let's hope! I love your channel btw :D
can u pls make a video about privacy plz thanks
Performance, processor, etc..... a REAL comparison.... thanks man. Great videos man.
Excellent video. Keep it up!
Is there any modern laptop that follows the thinkpad philosophy ?
I mean in the sense of them being very easily reparable, parts being easily replaceable and laptops being upgradable.
Of course without need to have the mptherboard exposed in order to acces hard drive or whatever.
I ask because it is going to be more and more difficult to get parts to fix them as tome goes on. Even if you are very careful with your thinkpa, eventually we are going to run out of old second or third hand thinkpads to use.
What do we do then ?
Are lenovo thinkpad X200 good? I was thinking of buying it
7:30 Was Libreboot ever able to successfully exploit and get a free BIOS on the X220?
No.
You can check it in their website:
libreboot.org/docs/hardware/
However, it can run coreboot. Here's a link of a video showing it:
ua-cam.com/video/hxQqvKc7xOA/v-deo.html
If you want to know how to install Libreboot in an X200 check:
ua-cam.com/video/ktcvWkEVBE0/v-deo.html
If you want more information on coreboot in x200, check:
ua-cam.com/video/9sSbFufySJk/v-deo.html
P.D.: The guy from the first video is the same guy that fixed Luke's X220 from
ua-cam.com/video/3X1LUlnhIAI/v-deo.html
as you can check in
ua-cam.com/video/zV1f8raveZo/v-deo.html
You can get coreboot, just not libreboot
6:00 1366x768 is considered the 720p resolution, not sure why but 1280x720 doesn't match up right so they use 1366x768 instead.
since some programs require at least a 1024x768 screen minimum (mostly older windows and some point of sell programs have this issue) causing some programs to have 48 pixels cut off a 1280x720 screen.
thanks Luke! I am going for libreboot + x220!
No Libreboot for x220. But you can compile Coreboot with castrated ME.
I know this is a 4yr ol' vídeo, but I just need to get this right. Coreboot is less potent than Libreboot in terms of cleaning up every Intel blob? I am only asking this question because I have an x220(t) and I would like to modify it to run Qubes.
You didn't mentioned different aspect ratios of the two screens (16:9 for X220, 16:10 for X200). Also, the X200 has only VGA output, hence a plugged external monitor may show a somewhat reduced video quality. Lastly, although Core 2 Duo may indeed be enough for most folks, it is not as energy sufficient as Core i5/i7 (read: reduced running time on battery).
I've used the x200 for years. The wifi card is weak, and though I replaced it, the bios beeps a lot on start up. Also overheating is definitely a problem. There are a few fixes around, but basically you have to take the keyboard off and hoover it out occasionally. I think I must have replaced the hard drive with the wrong ssd because the Crucial BX500 does a little but not that much for the speed.
My X200 is a convertible - complete with the Wacom pen for the touch screen, and the ultrabase with an optical drive should I need one....
Thinkpad X220 vs Thinkpad T420 which one is better ?
Wouldn't we all be hype for a libreboot exploit for i5/i7 processors? It's not like anyone would be willing to give up their privacy and stick w/ the intel process manager just because it's "hard to install libreboot on their computer". :|
You underestimate the number of shameless and despondent normies who not only don't care, but will actively signal against you if you say obvious "conspiracy theorist" facts like what the ME does.
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Jesus the years where more than 4gb of ram was "wasting your money"...
I feel old
It's been almost 2 years since this video was made. Has the libreboot team managed to get libreboot working on slightly newer Thinkpads yet?
the latest release is from 2016
New version released, but forget about new hardware. They won't accept a castrated ME.
ME = no libreboot
castrated ME = no libreboot
no ME = libreboot
@@vitacell1 That kinda sucks.
@@mr_beezlebub3985 Yeah I know, but it's not a devs problem, and we need to blame Intel. Intel should release their ultra-super-mega secret ME's source code, which is easy, they only need to release it.
Hey Luke. Great vids on the Thinkpads, thank you. What ssd do you use/recommend?
I have a Samsung 500GB and 1TB. I don't really have a preference of brands or anything though; I don't have any knowledge of performance differences (don't think it'd make much of a difference anyway). I just bought those that were the best prices when I looked.
Thanks for the reply! Hoping to get my hands on a x200 soon.
I've got the x200 ready to libreboot right now.
No video because reasons.
How are you going to libreboot it? The hardware way?
For the X200, hardware is the only choice. I want to do a vid on this, but I won't have access to a non-Librebooted X200 for a couple months. I also gotta get a Rasberry Pi and the other equipment needed for it.
If you want to install it on yours ASAP, there are some vid tutorial up on it already: ua-cam.com/video/CyxgYnOcsTw/v-deo.html
I'm curious about, how long are these machines' battery life?
Xunius Xu I bought a new Lenovo battery, and it lasts around 6 hours with medium brightness.
What brand did you use for your SSDs? I'm upgrading to an X200 within the week and wish to put an SSD in it. Your video broke the tie for me haha.
3:39 "At that point of rammage," lol
On x220 you can install coreboot with castrated ME, well it's not removed like on x200, but you have more performance.
Hey, new Libreboot version is here.
hey man! the x200 can exactly output HDMI (converted from displayport) using the ultrabase 2! just letting u know! keep at the good work!
The fact that ivybridge is now libreboot-able imo means that it should be recommended over both of these (you can change the keyboard to the x220 one, which should basically be mandatory)
Between x220 and t420... Which one would you prefer?
Is there any old keyboard with a numpad? Thanks
Hi, I recently discovered this channel and am sort of fascinated by the idea of being converted from ubuntu to arch linux. I'd like to ask: How do you guys make use of the battery of X200 and X220? I mean, do you charge it all the time with the charger or like some said that we'd better configurate some threshold or sth else? Thanks in advance! (y)
2017 and we still have no standard 'form factor' upon which to slap together laptops.
Now that we're gradually moving to a world of 3D printing and decentralized manufacturing, this is more of a possibility. God knows traditional manufacturers have been resisting it. Having easily decomposible and repairable products is disasterous for brands but great for users.
Luke Smith oy vey muh shekel
Luke Smith is there any notable difference between the x200 or the x200s, or other ThinkPad models with the same p attern
Salty Man, the main difference is that the X200 use full voltage processors, which gives more grunt for some more heat and fan spinning with an incremental decrease in battery life, while the X200s uses a low powered one, which gives up some processing power for more battery life and less fans, along with a more portable design and weight. Some s models have a 1440 x 900 screen, but it is still that shitty TN display.
But, good news! There *is* an AFFS mod for the X200/X201 (s included), which delivers radically better color and viewing angles! It's just a Google search away!
Regards,
darrung
EOMA 68 *Wink Wink*
I hope that you removed the glue stains from the X220 since making this video; it's like a splinter in my eye driving me crazy...
Is the IME responsible for all this wifi led flashing I see on the left computer?
Sweet stuff.
If I may ask, as I have already but have not gotten an answer, what are your thoughts on the Acer Aspire 5100? If you've used it, in which I can understand if you have not.
A quick question, can my x200s use 6gb of ram (2*4) since on the lenovo website it states up to 4GB...I want to make my x200s a portable light gaming laptop....
gaming? no.
@@johnson42069 I got a T420 for that :P
If i asked what to choose between x220 and x200, i will choose the x200 because, they don't have a touchpad and more comfortable trackpoint buttons. Trackpoint only thinkpad is a very good machine.
Would you guys recommend a ThinkPad for recording music and editing video?
Whats the difference in battery life? Is the more powerful i5 also more power hungry than the core 2 duo
What Thinkpad do you recommend for compiling programs? I do a lot of toolchain compiling and a little extra performance would be fine: I come from a Celeron n2840
Is the T400/500 with the P9400 Duo core 2 in the same category as the X200 with it's P8600 Duo core 2 with regards to being able to remove all the intel management engine and run a clean Libraboot/bios ?
I dont understand the advantantage from X200 above x220? What is libreboot?
How do they compare with the Thinkpad X230 or X250?
Hey, should I get a t420 or a t510, of course the 420 has a stronger processor but the 510 comes with dedicated graphics. Is there some flaw to the t510 that its cheaper with dedicated graphics than the t420?
I'm running Linux on x220, I love it !
I'm running Trisquel GNU/Linux on my X220t
Very probably it's GNU+Linux, not Linux.
Hey is anyone here that can help with my choice should I buy lenovo x220 or acer aspire e15? Please tell me I need your opinions
i have just brought lenovo thinkpad x200s do you know is windows 10 runs ok on this or will i get driver problems
Hrm, it's important for me to be able to run Docker containers etc.. and for that I need hyper-v. Does the bios of these machines support it? If so I guess it's then just a case of upgrading the processor to match?
Does you X220 overheat/feel very hot ?
If you're giving chiclet day of use it will work fine.i use both and I cannot second you argument of getting tired on Chiclet. Love your ThinkPad.
What do you all think of the x200s? There are some to sell in my city at lower prices than x200, are they cheaper made? There seem to be some particularities to take into considerations when librebooting, so I am not sure I want to buy it and not being able to libreboot it.
read the libreboot website :) It is possible, but some configurations concerning RAM is an issue. I have an x200, and I love it. But it gets too hot to be used as a primary computer and the process of librebooting seems very complicated to me :/ I need more elite friends.
they're basically the same thing. main difference is that the x200s can have a 1440x900 panel instead of the 1280x800 on the x200. www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X200 www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X200s
Thanks for the information!
Considering this is 2 year old video, did they succeed in libreboot x220??
You could check on their website probably.(they didn't)
How about heat? Are there temperatures regular when laptops are idling and when you are doing something intensive ?
Can you make a video about it and show the temperatures? cause small laptops usually have overheating issues
Thanks a lot
My experience is going to be anecdotal, but I'll tell you: when I got my X200, it had just gotten new thermal paste; it keeps very cool and only starts heating up if it's on wool and doing something really intense.
The X220 has not gotten new thermal paste in years and when I'm recording video, for example, it can get into 9X degrees celsius (too hot for my comfort!). I was actually ordering mini-screwdrivers now that I need to reapply thermal paste myself. I suspect it will be as cool as my X200 when I do, or at least manageable.
So I'd say if you know how to reapply thermal paste or can have a friend do it, you shouldn't worry about it. Otherwise, you might want to buy one advertised as refurbished with new CPU paste.
wow, where did you put the thermal paste? my x200 is hot under the palm rest area, it's no longer a laptop but a lapheater
Interesting about the privacy stuff and the CPUs, not something I'd often think about. But I really should. Cheers.
How many machines do you actually use?
ATM just these two and a desktop, although I eventually plan on having everything on my X220 and a dock (or the X200 if Librebooting the X220 does not become possible).
I do 3D modeling/sculpting/raytracing and I play games. I'm stuck with proprietary Nvidia drivers. I think I'm stuck not having libreboot since I have newer hardware.
So, if you have a libreboot intel core 2 duo computer for privacy,
but you can't compile programs on it,
you probably can't really do other private things on it like use bitcoin, right?
I meant you COULD use it, but it's slow as molasses, right?
Also tablet versus regular hinge version...
I like tablet, and don't need/care for touchpads.
I will take it or leave it, but I just want a sturdy hinge.
I hear you need the pen to use the tablet anyway too, right?
You can compile any program on any computer, even cross compile.
I have x200 and I managed to upgrade it with win10 pro with Adobe Photoshop, coreldraw, video editor, google sketch, almost my multimedia laptop with 8gb ram and 500gb hdd. I also like the fingerprint security. After a year of usage with all the programs, i noticed that my laptop is easily heats up than before. What would be the problem? I hope i get a good response. Thanks.
wofwof14 have you tried applying your own thermal paste? that can help
Hobbsy i haven't try yet, what would be the best thermal paste to use?
wofwof14 I’m not sure, sorry
Hobbsy do you own a x200?
wofwof14 I have a x220. The thermal paste issue is something I’ve noticed reading reddit etc. Might be worth a try.
So informative. Cheers, Luke.
Where can i get the bios that unlocks the x220?
I am a fan of the X200 running Windows 7. I always reinstall the OS when I get a new machine. I have difficulty installing the correct drivers to enable the onscreen volume and screen brightness display. I have trouble figuring out the minimal Intel driver software for the X200 that allows the onscreen display of volume and brightness. Does anyone know the sequence of software installs that provide on screen display of volume and brightness, but does not add any unnecessary software?
Not sure if this will help as this is months later, but I used an older version of the Hotkey Features Integration tool which enabled the onscreen volume, screen brightness, etc. Albeit with Windows 10 (Pro).
Posted details here: forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Thinkpad-X200-7459-1P0-Upgraded-To-Windows-10-Pro-Can-t-Get/m-p/4046125/highlight/true#M84395
Saw a discussion on a Reddit thread originally.
Happy 4GB RAM/240GB SSD X200 user with Windows 10 Pro :)
We found a Lenovo ThinkPad X201 under a pile of paper in my school
Nice
what are the most modern cpus that work with libreboot? As far as I know it works with intel core i2 2nd gen or older, but what about other brands?
You can check the Libreboot website to see what motherboards they support. They've mostly focused on computers with native Intel processors, but there are a few others. I will say AMD processors have been just as bad; they have something analogous to the ME preventing Libreboot from being easy.
Of course it's less the processor itself that's a problem and more what kind of garbage comes with it.
besides from the by libreboot supported hardware, are there some more companies that manufacture cpus/mainboards without these "additional features" and could possibly librebooted in the future?
There's a company called Purism that's removing as much as possible, but reality is you can't completely get away from it. All Intel chipsets since 2008 include the Management Engine. Up to the Core 2 series chips it could be disabled, which is what a Librebooted x200 does. In the Core i3/i5/i7 it's not possible to turn it off. The best that can be done is to trim down the ME firmware as much as possible, but the ME will shut the system down if it's not supplied a minimally valid firmware signed by Intel. AMD has something similar. The only way to completely avoid it is use x86 from before mid-2008 (like Thinkpad x60) or look at an ARM based system.
how did you upgrade your x200 to 8GB? It wont work on mine :(
You just need two sticks of DDR2 RAM. Remember that you should also have a 64 bit operating system: 32 bit OSes have a RAM cap of around 4GB.
Here's preceisely what I bought:
www.ebay.com/itm/4GB-2x-2GB-Memory-RAM-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T60-T60p-T61-T61p-X60-X60s-X61-X61s-/121821155384?hash=item1c5d1b5038:g:nFUAAOSwHQ9WURoD
My x200s takes DDR3 (PC3-8500, 1066 MT/s). Did you post the link for an older Thinkpad by mistake?
Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
System Information
Manufacturer: LENOVO
Product Name: 7470W1X
Version: ThinkPad X200s
...
Handle 0x0021, DMI type 17, 27 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0020
Error Information Handle: No Error
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 4096 MB
Form Factor: SODIMM
Set: None
Locator: DIMM 1
Bank Locator: Bank 0/1
Type: DDR3
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 1066 MT/s
Manufacturer: 0198 # (Kingston)
Serial Number: 9208D61F
Asset Tag: 1101
Part Number: 9905428-020.A00LF
Handle 0x0022, DMI type 17, 27 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0020
Error Information Handle: No Error
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 4096 MB
Form Factor: SODIMM
Set: None
Locator: DIMM 2
Bank Locator: Bank 2/3
Type: DDR3
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 1066 MT/s
Manufacturer: 0198
Serial Number: 9208D61F
Asset Tag: 1101
Part Number: 9905428-020.A00LF
I'm really impressed that you managed to insert the hand meme here
Any update : Could the Intel Managment Engine get removed on x220 ?
No, but it can be castrated with ME_cleaner
libreboot.org/faq.html#intelme
Yes and no. You can get rid of most of the ime with coreboot but some pieces must remain sadly.
Does either one have the rubberized (grippy)finish on it?
both should have, even the most recent thinkpad model has them too and it's their tradition
No the modern one's don't have it.
@@grady7443 they do
Can someone describe to me, a plebian modern thinkpad keyboard user, what the benefits of old thinkpad keyboards are and why they're so much better? I own only a W541 and an X140e and I already feel like they can't get any better.
Actually? Nothing.
Most "Thinkpad people" are just averse to any changes
Does libreboot work on the X220 now?
no sadly :(
@@lukaspinoti107 Are they working on fixing this or is it impossible?
@@f23anone82 To my knowledge, the Core series processors are significantly harder to libreboot. The project is pretty much dead. Coreboot still has a very active development and works on recent hardware. Tbh I'm content with coreboot.
@@f23anone82 Intel is the culprit. Blame them.
Anyway Libreboot is a Coreboot distribution, so you can compile Coreboot and castrate ME, but it still be here (basic parts for boot) and only Intel knows what it does. Libreboot just won't accept and tolerate any blobs/proprietary software.
@@vitacell1 pretty much this, you just can't quite remove all of it.
can tails work on x200?
"the cusp of thinkpad goodness" - lol
What year is this :D
1366x768 is not weird at all
Not weird, just sucks.
Whatever you do, just don't get a Yoga 900 like I was convinced to a few years ago. That being said, continue as usual.
what is the OS running in those?
Its Linux
@@krusty07 No, it's GNU+Linux. Which is different.
You've sold me on the X220. :)
I wanna go from my dell d630 to a x200 but I dont think I could live without a touchpad I would have to carry the mouse around :/
Crane try the track nipple, you'll love it. Seriously though, I thought I'd never get used to it but after two days I like it better than a touchpad.
if you get the x201 it has a trackpad.
Exactly, mister.
The X230 is much better. Here's why:
Very easy to mod in X220 keyboard.
Much faster and power efficient 3rd gen i5. Also runs cooler.
Usb 3.0 on all models.
Still the same chassis as the x220. Only difference was the kb and palmrest.
Now the bios is unlocked so you can fit in other wifi cards and get rid of the battery whitelist.
MUCH better graphics preformance.
Can you put a 16:10 on it?
@@PiceaSitchensis there are mods out there to fit a 16:10 13.3 FHD IPS display in however it's one of the harder thinkpad mods.
Not recommended for beginners.
The biggest reason to get a X220 is the better screen option, i think.
I wanna get a x200 for my RMS altar
I don't know man... if it was possible to get free bios on the X1 Carbon, it would be a (albeit overpriced) dream machine.
x1 carbon is like if thinkpad made apple. But the price tag is too fancy for me :(
/g/ user detected
You said the res is 1366x768? That's a common cheap laptop resolution.
The Acer E 15 has that rez. 1366x768. Very odd, IMO.
For some reason thats a really standard laptop resolution these days. I wish it was something like 1600x900 or higher, but that's what i get for buying cheap crap
1366x768 has been the most common resolution on laptops for years. It's done to keep scanline rate compatibility with the XGA standard (1024x768) and just increases the pixel clock. This stretches the display horizontally to accommodate a 16:9 format, hence 1366x768.
So both is good, alright gonna get them both (I already got it) :3
Y no latch on x220? How am i supposed to hit my annoying friends with it?
he means 100 as in 1000 right?
I cant find a place to buy the non-shit-tier-tablet version anywhere, i'm sure that a turd touch screen makes it worth the 1000 dollars
eBay?
ohh the space between the keyboard and the edge...
the edge looks nice too.
I have a newer Lenovo V330, and it is so SHIT.