99% of these euros declined to do the race in the 1950s, you really think they'd agree to it now?? I'm sure the drivers would agree if you paid them enough, because even though these guys are some of the richest men to ever walk the planet, they're also the greediest so expect to pay top dollar.
@@BoleDaPole You'd have to have two races, one on an oval, one on a road course. The Euro guys would refuse to race on an oval (as they did here) and an IndyCar would have no chance on a road course vs. an F1 car, so I don't see how you could do it. One thing for certain is that IndyCar drivers have more experience driving on road courses than F1 guys have on ovals.
There was a modern "Race of Two Worlds" in the early 1970's at Ontario California and as I recall the F1 group overall came out on top. Not sure if that video can still be found on UA-cam?
Obviously not sponsored by Firestone. "An American Company", but they never say which. There's some question nowadays whether the Indianapolis champs of the 50's should be given credit for Grand Prix wins, since then it was considered part of the world's championship, and I guess this is the answer, whether the F1 guys dropped out or not. Bryan, Rathmann, Parsons & Ruttman all won 500's and are listed in the official records as F1 race winners, but this is often disregarded by F1 fans. Behra, Bryan, O'Connor, Bettenhausen & Sacks would all be dead in a few years in racing accidents. Good on all three Jaguars for finishing the 500 miles.
Those wins are rightfully disregarded as Formula 1 points because nobody in Formula One took the Indianapolis 500 seriously. They have the opportunity to come here and win points and they didn't do it. And the points earned by the American drivers were meaningless.
@@jackhammer111 They may be disregarded by fans, even American fans who don't pay any attention to them either, but they're still official. You have to make the distinction between a Formula One car and a Grand Prix car, which people often fail to do because today they are the same thing. Back then they weren't and the Indy drivers earned World Championship points whether we want to disregard it or not. They're still in the records to this day. The fact that the Europeans wouldn't race at Indianapolis isn't the fault of the Americans. And it wasn't until Colin Chapman got smart and figured you could make more money by winning Indianapolis than you could in the entire F1 season that the Europeans bucked up their courage and decided to make an earnest try. Even then in what could be called the "European Invasion" era at Indy (1961-69), F1 drivers only won two out of 9 races. The funny thing is that when the American drivers went to Monza, the Europeans were scared to race against them because they knew they would get beat, and shown up. I would put this more on the drivers, because likely they wanted to race. Indy Car at that time was a match for anything Formula One had up until the time F1 came out with the rear engine car.
@@RRaquello The points were disregarded by both Formula One and AAA then USAC fans because they were meanings. Completely and totally meaningless because they had no bearing whatsoever on what was then called the FIA World Championship of Drivers. I don't know why you would feel you need to educate me Maybe I need to remind you that In the days when Indianapolis was part of the world championship, the rules for the cars were the same. The fact that they were different strictly had to do with the fact that they were built for different purposes. I was 16 when Graham Hill won the Indianapolis 500 and Jim Clark finished second and Jackie Stewart was Rookie of the Year and even AJ Foyt was driving a lotus. Yes, I know Indy was no longer part of the world championship by then.
@@jackhammer111 What's surprising is that it took so long for any of the F1 teams to try to cash in on Indianapolis, since winning there was such a big pay day compared to what was offered in F1. Forget the points. The money is what spurred Chapman & Clark to finally make a real effort at Indy, and that was when Indy was no longer part of the championship. Now it's the opposite, with F1 being the bigger money series. I guess back then it was still considered a "gentleman's sport" where drivers raced for honor and prestige.
The Beautiful Trophy for this "500 miles of Monza" is in the Indianapolis Motor Speeway Hall of Fame en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Two_Worlds#/media/File:Race_of_Two_Worlds_Trophy.jpg
I would LOVE to see another challenge between the Indy car drivers and F1 drivers at the home of motor racing....
The Indianapolis 500
FRED NANDO LONSO
I think a race at indianapolis and one in new monza would be fair
99% of these euros declined to do the race in the 1950s, you really think they'd agree to it now??
I'm sure the drivers would agree if you paid them enough, because even though these guys are some of the richest men to ever walk the planet, they're also the greediest so expect to pay top dollar.
First ever races happened in France
@@BoleDaPole You'd have to have two races, one on an oval, one on a road course. The Euro guys would refuse to race on an oval (as they did here) and an IndyCar would have no chance on a road course vs. an F1 car, so I don't see how you could do it. One thing for certain is that IndyCar drivers have more experience driving on road courses than F1 guys have on ovals.
The fuckin balls on these lads
Americans won both races
There was a modern "Race of Two Worlds" in the early 1970's at Ontario California and as I recall the F1 group overall came out on top. Not sure if that video can still be found on UA-cam?
I dint doubt you but by the 70s inducars were doubling the power of f1 cars i just dont it could be trye on an oval
I remember reading it was F5000 cars vs F1 cars. At that time, they both would have had ~450-500 HP.
@@andyharman3022 McLaren Racing - built both type of cars M10A & their 1970 F1 car at the time and raced them in the same race.!!!
Can you IMAGINE how Valuable that Checkered Flag is????
Obviously not sponsored by Firestone. "An American Company", but they never say which. There's some question nowadays whether the Indianapolis champs of the 50's should be given credit for Grand Prix wins, since then it was considered part of the world's championship, and I guess this is the answer, whether the F1 guys dropped out or not. Bryan, Rathmann, Parsons & Ruttman all won 500's and are listed in the official records as F1 race winners, but this is often disregarded by F1 fans. Behra, Bryan, O'Connor, Bettenhausen & Sacks would all be dead in a few years in racing accidents. Good on all three Jaguars for finishing the 500 miles.
Those wins are rightfully disregarded as Formula 1 points because nobody in Formula One took the Indianapolis 500 seriously. They have the opportunity to come here and win points and they didn't do it. And the points earned by the American drivers were meaningless.
@@jackhammer111 They may be disregarded by fans, even American fans who don't pay any attention to them either, but they're still official. You have to make the distinction between a Formula One car and a Grand Prix car, which people often fail to do because today they are the same thing. Back then they weren't and the Indy drivers earned World Championship points whether we want to disregard it or not. They're still in the records to this day.
The fact that the Europeans wouldn't race at Indianapolis isn't the fault of the Americans. And it wasn't until Colin Chapman got smart and figured you could make more money by winning Indianapolis than you could in the entire F1 season that the Europeans bucked up their courage and decided to make an earnest try. Even then in what could be called the "European Invasion" era at Indy (1961-69), F1 drivers only won two out of 9 races.
The funny thing is that when the American drivers went to Monza, the Europeans were scared to race against them because they knew they would get beat, and shown up. I would put this more on the drivers, because likely they wanted to race. Indy Car at that time was a match for anything Formula One had up until the time F1 came out with the rear engine car.
@@RRaquello The points were disregarded by both Formula One and AAA then USAC fans because they were meanings. Completely and totally meaningless because they had no bearing whatsoever on what was then called the FIA World Championship of Drivers. I don't know why you would feel you need to educate me Maybe I need to remind you that In the days when Indianapolis was part of the world championship, the rules for the cars were the same. The fact that they were different strictly had to do with the fact that they were built for different purposes. I was 16 when Graham Hill won the Indianapolis 500 and Jim Clark finished second and Jackie Stewart was Rookie of the Year and even AJ Foyt was driving a lotus. Yes, I know Indy was no longer part of the world championship by then.
@@jackhammer111 What's surprising is that it took so long for any of the F1 teams to try to cash in on Indianapolis, since winning there was such a big pay day compared to what was offered in F1. Forget the points. The money is what spurred Chapman & Clark to finally make a real effort at Indy, and that was when Indy was no longer part of the championship. Now it's the opposite, with F1 being the bigger money series. I guess back then it was still considered a "gentleman's sport" where drivers raced for honor and prestige.
They were racing in the opposite direction from the standard European races.
thats a funny way of saying the correct way
The Beautiful Trophy for this "500 miles of Monza" is in the Indianapolis Motor Speeway Hall of Fame
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Two_Worlds#/media/File:Race_of_Two_Worlds_Trophy.jpg
Which one 57 or 58 win?