10 BEST Defenders In Football History

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    Greatest Defenders In Football History

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  • @lorenzinomma5699
    @lorenzinomma5699 3 роки тому +371

    As an Italian I was disappointed to see that Fabio Cannavaro wasn’t on this list. He won the ballon dor, World Cup, and many other tropphies

    • @shamoil10
      @shamoil10 3 роки тому +33

      I was expecting ronald koeman there as well he was an amazing defender and a prolific goalscorer as well definitely not the greatest but atleast deserved a mention for sure

    • @razhok9725
      @razhok9725 3 роки тому +8

      And went to real Madrid then faded away into history

    • @lorenzinomma5699
      @lorenzinomma5699 3 роки тому +9

      @@shamoil10 i agree he was the highest goal scoring defender and made barcelona the team it is today

    • @elijah420stuffs2
      @elijah420stuffs2 3 роки тому

      @ Kylian Mbappe Official Go Watch ballet or something else.

    • @robertharris9218
      @robertharris9218 2 роки тому +3

      Cannavaro is my #1, by far.

  • @mauriciogjomemo474
    @mauriciogjomemo474 2 роки тому +204

    Maldini , Nesta and Cafu played together at the same time with AC Milan...what a defence 👏👏

    • @ignls8809
      @ignls8809 2 роки тому +4

      Also baresi

    • @bohankok12
      @bohankok12 2 роки тому +16

      @@ignls8809 baresi played with maldini not nesta or cafu

    • @jamesmckee8166
      @jamesmckee8166 2 роки тому

      Liverpool still beat them

    • @mauriciogjomemo474
      @mauriciogjomemo474 2 роки тому +12

      @@jamesmckee8166 even Sampdoria beat them, but doesn't mean Sampdoria was better than Milan.

    • @tochisam7885
      @tochisam7885 2 роки тому +2

      It was Maldini nesta stam and Cafu at the back

  • @shisirthapa2760
    @shisirthapa2760 3 роки тому +166

    How fast people easily forgot that marcelo is also one of the best left back of our generation

    • @bcbitchkkv
      @bcbitchkkv 2 роки тому +11

      Easily! And my personal favourite Real Madrid player of the 2010s. Not a good defender though, certainly nowhere near one of the best. Amazing attacking full-back.

    • @Jonnhy_24
      @Jonnhy_24 2 роки тому

      I know that we haave crazy defenders like Cannavaro, Ferdinand,Beckenbauer, Giorgio Chiellini, Vidic
      But my favorite defender is Pepe ,
      Might not be in a top 10 , but I love him, and of course he is a crazy defender,
      Sergio Ramos is also a crazy mf....what a duo they were

    • @leongajtani172
      @leongajtani172 2 роки тому +2

      I was looking for this comment marcelo deserves more recognition

    • @rickenfatania
      @rickenfatania 2 роки тому +2

      Ashley Cole and Javier Zanetti were better LBs imo.

    • @leongajtani172
      @leongajtani172 2 роки тому +5

      @@rickenfatania nahhhhh man you’re wrong marcelo existed in the messi-ronaldo area and didnt even get recognition like any other player who played in messi-ronaldo era

  • @cyriacsabu1608
    @cyriacsabu1608 3 роки тому +207

    beckenbauer is not only best defender he is one of the greatest player of all time

    • @khadanerandolph7148
      @khadanerandolph7148 2 роки тому +6

      You never seen him play

    • @Julian-wg1vt
      @Julian-wg1vt 2 роки тому +2

      @@khadanerandolph7148 Allie

    • @KingVespait
      @KingVespait 2 роки тому +2

      @@khadanerandolph7148 nice

    • @Triclips
      @Triclips 2 роки тому +7

      @@khadanerandolph7148 you don’t now that

    • @Triclips
      @Triclips 2 роки тому +2

      @@khadanerandolph7148 live

  • @nathanvarghese.
    @nathanvarghese. 2 роки тому +29

    Puyol = Legend

  • @gervang1820
    @gervang1820 2 роки тому +83

    In two decades, Harry Maguire will go down as one of the best defenders in football history.

  • @srijansinha6422
    @srijansinha6422 3 роки тому +48

    John Terry! I'm upset that he didn't make this list. But JT was a defensive beast!

    • @Dokkodo-lt2pn
      @Dokkodo-lt2pn 2 роки тому +10

      Campbell and vidic were batter than shit terry

    • @nash7749
      @nash7749 2 роки тому +2

      Koeman as well

    • @rickenfatania
      @rickenfatania 2 роки тому

      He had a spell in his prime as maybe the best CB, as did Rio and Vidic.

    • @England-75
      @England-75 Рік тому

      @@Dokkodo-lt2pn 👍

    • @infected9693
      @infected9693 Місяць тому

      ashley cole too

  • @user-ze6ob3cs7m
    @user-ze6ob3cs7m 2 роки тому +24

    I'm happy to see Nesta on this list he is my favorite

    • @emmanuelgbafore741
      @emmanuelgbafore741 2 роки тому +1

      Same here.. Classy Sandro Nesta..

    • @superxedits4419
      @superxedits4419 2 роки тому

      Him maldini baresi were scary

    • @user-ze6ob3cs7m
      @user-ze6ob3cs7m 2 роки тому

      @@superxedits4419 Oh Yes they were and after that him and Thiago were great too

  • @chugkingchris
    @chugkingchris 2 роки тому +24

    Vidic, Thruam, and Ferdinand were also crazy good!

    • @hmmh121111
      @hmmh121111 Рік тому

      Hahahhah united fan stfu

    • @alieNussss
      @alieNussss 11 місяців тому

      Cannot compare Thuram, Vidic or even Ferdinand with those guys. They were good but not at that level.

  • @GriffosRetroGaming
    @GriffosRetroGaming 2 роки тому +19

    Can’t argue with any of them but I’m surprised Javier Zanetti wasn’t on the list

    • @deepblue007
      @deepblue007 Рік тому

      Very underrated

    • @nabylad2194
      @nabylad2194 6 місяців тому

      Should of won a trophy with Argentina

  • @ignaicozz1009
    @ignaicozz1009 2 роки тому +15

    Elías figueroa was a legend, pele wanted to nationalize him as brazilian so he wouldn’t have to face him with brazil.

  • @Nikjamesz
    @Nikjamesz Рік тому +6

    Great list! My personal favorite is Puyol, he may not be #1 but I absolutely loved watching him play!

  • @ruud9019
    @ruud9019 3 роки тому +41

    What a shame, he didn't even mention Fabio Cannavaro

  • @vader8072
    @vader8072 3 роки тому +18

    Where the hell is Phil the goat Jones
    edit: I love your vids

    • @hudsoncloud2187
      @hudsoncloud2187 3 роки тому +2

      Yes how dare he forgot about Phil Jones

    • @LawsonShawn90
      @LawsonShawn90 3 роки тому

      @@hudsoncloud2187 & his partner, mustafi.

    • @dn10football
      @dn10football Рік тому

      @@LawsonShawn90 and harry goatguire

  • @gregoriuspascalis500
    @gregoriuspascalis500 2 роки тому +3

    As a Milan fans, I am happy that many of our defender make it to this list

    • @topcomment3993
      @topcomment3993 6 місяців тому

      Yeah But i was missing Thiago silva

  • @kingoffootball3269
    @kingoffootball3269 3 роки тому +1

    Love your vids keep on so underrated

  • @walterfritzzz
    @walterfritzzz 3 роки тому +4

    This channel is really underrated!!

  • @myfootballopinion207
    @myfootballopinion207 2 роки тому +1

    When I saw you mentioning Lahm I was so happy. It made my day

  • @lalrozamaraltelalrozamaral3171
    @lalrozamaraltelalrozamaral3171 3 роки тому +33

    Maldini🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @ChrisMDi
    @ChrisMDi 3 роки тому +45

    Koeman was a beast in his time❤

  • @hridayonchatterjee6699
    @hridayonchatterjee6699 3 роки тому +1

    Fantastic🤘😝🤘🤘😝🤘...
    Not just this video but allllllll videos

  • @anthonyfoco6396
    @anthonyfoco6396 2 роки тому +2

    Someone:make a list about best defenders in the world
    Italy:Allow me to introduce myself

  • @NonstopFootballyt
    @NonstopFootballyt  3 роки тому +28

    There’s still plenty more great defenders and honorable mentions to go.
    Who else would you include in the next video?

  • @Deachinio07
    @Deachinio07 3 роки тому +5

    Gaetano Scirea deserved at least a mention !!

  • @thisisjustanillusion6486
    @thisisjustanillusion6486 Рік тому +5

    This is a top 10s list. A lot of players we’re going to feel he missed. Overall it’s a great list

  • @carlosdumbratzen6332
    @carlosdumbratzen6332 Рік тому

    As a smaller less physical right wing defender myself Lahm was always my idol. His sliding tackles are/were the best and I always tried to copy them

  • @MrDValter
    @MrDValter 2 роки тому +1

    dude, u should make a part 2 of this video and include Oscar Rugeri. I don't know anything about his club carear, but I know he sided with Passarella and Maradona on the argentinian squad.

  • @bcbitchkkv
    @bcbitchkkv 2 роки тому

    Good to see Passarella mentioned here, but what about Scirea & Gentile?

  • @devansh8737
    @devansh8737 Рік тому +1

    1:18 is that Don Carlo

  • @infected9693
    @infected9693 Місяць тому

    Not including rio ferdenand, john terry, ashley cole, virgil van dijk, david luiz and Vincent kompany in the honourable mentions is criminal.

  • @AMAL_vijayan
    @AMAL_vijayan 2 роки тому +5

    No John Terry. That's interesting🤔

  • @usernLa
    @usernLa Рік тому +7

    Mine, 'Nemanija Vidic' CB wise. I'm a Liverpool supporter & I saw a comparably less skilled Man United won 2008/09 Premier League because they have Vidic at the back against a good Liverpool team consisting Torres & Gerrard.
    It's normal when strikers, wingers or midfielders become the difference when teams dominate a season but a CB🤔. 👌

  • @terrencetaylor8196
    @terrencetaylor8196 Рік тому +1

    Lilian Thuram and Fabio Cannavaro are the very best I have seen played.

  • @rajmalakar2887
    @rajmalakar2887 2 роки тому

    Javier Zanetti what a defender

  • @vb2388
    @vb2388 3 роки тому +9

    Top 10 Greatest Defenders of all Time..
    1. Franz Beckenbauer
    2. Paolo Maldini
    3. Franco Baresi
    4. Nilton Santos
    5. Bobby Morre
    6. Djalma Santos
    7. Giancinto Facchetti
    8. Carlos Alberto Torres
    9. Daniel Passarella
    10. Cafu
    HMs: Alessandro Nesta, Fabio Cannavaro, Sergio Ramos, Puyol, Philip Lahm, Dani Alves, Roberto Carlos etc

  • @johnbrion4565
    @johnbrion4565 Рік тому +1

    Nesta amazing. Also Ferdinand kompany sol Campbell and van dijk in his prime.

  • @johngurlides9157
    @johngurlides9157 2 роки тому +8

    Carlos Alberto, Djalma Santos, Nilton Santos were all left out.
    All three were definitely top 10 ahead of many you listed.

  • @mohammedahmmed9827
    @mohammedahmmed9827 3 місяці тому

    Dani Alves shouldn’t have been an honorable mention in my opinion. Bro was one of the only defenders who could stop and tackle PRIME Ronaldo successfully (the same guy who destroyed many defenders at his time with his lightning pace, tall body, and great physique and is Messi’s strongest rival). I’m a Madrid fan, and I don’t respect him as a person because of the recent crime he’s been arrested for, but even I would say he’s the best RB football had (no offense to Cafu fans).

  • @pasindubhashitha8982
    @pasindubhashitha8982 3 роки тому +4

    Your channel is great.Dont be falter that you have few subscribers.Your channel will get 1m subs and you deserves👏👏👏

  • @ruthless7946
    @ruthless7946 2 роки тому

    Italy realy knows how to defend Chiellini Cannavo also are Top 20 at least.

  • @thesos320
    @thesos320 2 роки тому +6

    "Carlos poh-yol"

  • @dejaunowilliams7272
    @dejaunowilliams7272 Рік тому

    yesss, the key to winning a world cup is having one of the best defenders of all time

  • @kylieprice297
    @kylieprice297 3 роки тому +8

    He’s the best

  • @tsesar2113
    @tsesar2113 3 роки тому +48

    what happened to Dani Alves being th ebest right-back ever?

  • @wasimwasim8480
    @wasimwasim8480 2 роки тому +2

    Thiago silva should include atleast in honorable mention

  • @blacksky292
    @blacksky292 2 роки тому +11

    bruv Cannavaro literally won the ballon d'or

    • @prometheus9142
      @prometheus9142 2 роки тому

      Yea but he didn't deserve it. And I'm an Italy fan.

    • @Lexrezende
      @Lexrezende 2 роки тому

      Belanov, Owen, Schevchenko, Modric, Lewandowski, Rivaldo also won the ballon d'or and aren't even among the 30 best players in history in their positions. Pelé, Romário, Maradona, Zico, Garrincha never won the ballon d'or and are among the 10 best players in their positions in history.

    • @infected9693
      @infected9693 Місяць тому

      @@Lexrezende Modric isnt among the 30 best midfielders? You are a joke my guy. Have you seen him play? He is easily the best midfielder of our generation ahead of xavi, iniesta, de bruyne, kroos, ozil, casemiro, etc

  • @dheerajtelugu
    @dheerajtelugu 2 роки тому +1

    Koeman was beast he won barcelona first ucl

  • @Nikolay061
    @Nikolay061 Рік тому

    Not easy to do a top ten, but for defensive talent, Desailly, Cannavaro, Terry, Ferdinand would all come before Puyol, Ramos and Carlos IMO

  • @StaniKedrok
    @StaniKedrok 2 роки тому +1

    HW4 best defender of all time!

  • @bennymurphy4908
    @bennymurphy4908 3 роки тому

    This video should be done by position like top ten best CB because there is alot better defenders that's missing off this list cannavaro and stam and then have a LB & RB video with Zanetti, Cole, evra, Alberto, thuram some may even say Gary Neville.. I'm sure you'll do it justice and a great job.

  • @anithaajesh4711
    @anithaajesh4711 2 роки тому

    Guys baresi and cannavaro are something else

  • @haroldrichardmodiya5305
    @haroldrichardmodiya5305 Рік тому +1

    I never knew Maldini was right footed

  • @karenkeane8264
    @karenkeane8264 3 роки тому

    My favourite defender is Aaron wan bissaka

  • @arvinnikolaskostopoulos7004
    @arvinnikolaskostopoulos7004 11 місяців тому

    Basically any defender that has played for Milan

  • @nickash9936
    @nickash9936 2 роки тому

    No Rudd kroll from Holland??? Madness!!

  • @naisiunnaheireann1752
    @naisiunnaheireann1752 2 роки тому

    Amen 🙏

  • @rubayatadnan3595
    @rubayatadnan3595 Рік тому

    This list is incomplete without Phil Jones & Harry Maguire

  • @afonsogranja3301
    @afonsogranja3301 2 роки тому +1

    Well I'm pretty sure balon d'Or winner Fabio Cannavaro would be disapointed if he saw this list...

  • @magzhanandreyev4853
    @magzhanandreyev4853 3 роки тому +4

    Where is Cannavaro??????🤔

  • @wilsonxcole1008
    @wilsonxcole1008 2 роки тому

    guessing Marcelo played rugby and that Vidic and Cannavaro played with dolls since they’re not on the list 🤧

  • @etp4899
    @etp4899 3 роки тому +9

    One that also deserves to be mentioned is Rafael Marquez! Him and Puyol in the center were a wall at Barcelona! Rafa is easily the best center back that México has ever produced! One of my favorite players too.

  • @rjkingrohan6254
    @rjkingrohan6254 2 роки тому +3

    All of those defenders retired 😭remos is only one who is playing ❤️payoL and remos is my favourite 👍

    • @kodakwhite1696
      @kodakwhite1696 2 роки тому

      It’s about the history of football, not active players🤦🏼‍♂️

    • @bohankok12
      @bohankok12 2 роки тому

      idk why they put ramos and puyol anyway ... they arent that good compared to maldini,nesta,baresi

    • @TuttiFruttyify
      @TuttiFruttyify 2 роки тому +4

      @@bohankok12 Sergio Ramos : 1 World Cup, 2 UEFA European Championship, 4 Champions League, 4 Club World Cup, 5 Spanish League, 2 Copa del Rey, 4 Spanish Supercup...
      Say what ?

  • @zudarzahnshow5759
    @zudarzahnshow5759 3 роки тому +8

    Where is Ronald Koeman?
    Can You do a video on
    10 BEST StrikersIn Football History

    • @marwarached4442
      @marwarached4442 3 роки тому +2

      Ronald koeman is a loser

    • @zudarzahnshow5759
      @zudarzahnshow5759 3 роки тому +3

      @@marwarached4442
      250 Goals as CB
      2 European Cups(Champions League)
      1 Top Scorer of Champions League(At CB)
      1988 EURO With Holland
      4 Erdivisie
      3 KNVB Cup
      4 La Liga
      1 Copa Del Rey
      3 Spanish Super Cups
      2 Dutch Footballer Of The Year (AS a CB)
      In conclusion
      Ronald Koeman, The Rambo

    • @kurtzingo1047
      @kurtzingo1047 3 роки тому

      Koeman really? I can name rio, vidic, terry, cannavaro, thiago silva are all better

    • @zudarzahnshow5759
      @zudarzahnshow5759 3 роки тому

      @@kurtzingo1047 Ok
      Tell me Why? I am curious to know your opinion

    • @wolfgamers4366
      @wolfgamers4366 3 роки тому +1

      lol terry vidic rio ,ok i get you are deluded english fan but they are not even in top 30 best defenders of all time just overrated

  • @MdSalman-xs7tf
    @MdSalman-xs7tf 2 місяці тому

    Carlos.maldini.ramos.cafu. my best defender set tap 💪💪

  • @stunningsteve1745
    @stunningsteve1745 2 роки тому

    Cannavaro and Bergomi should at least be mentioned

  • @komkritapiratikiat8505
    @komkritapiratikiat8505 2 роки тому

    LILIAN THULAM , The Great French defender

  • @robertmarginean164
    @robertmarginean164 Рік тому

    Cannavaro and Marcelo have to be at least honourable mentions

  • @sourendubagchi4793
    @sourendubagchi4793 11 місяців тому

    what about cannavaro, thuram, john terry, vidic etc?

  • @santinodellacroce2079
    @santinodellacroce2079 Рік тому

    You even said Italy is the home of defending and you didnt put our best defender on the list.
    Fabio Canavaro, he even won the Balon d'or
    Dude was a legit Gladiator on the pitch.
    The stadium was his Colosseum.

  • @detonator2112
    @detonator2112 2 роки тому +1

    No Oscar Ruggeri? World Cup winner 1986 and the key element of the 1990 Argentina squad that reached the World Cup Final. Also a member of Copa America championship team 1991. He should be on the list. Maradona himself said that he's the best South American defender of all time. Otherwise... good list.

    • @marialujan2626
      @marialujan2626 2 роки тому +1

      Passarella was better, but perhaps he should be in the list before others

    • @detonator2112
      @detonator2112 2 роки тому +1

      @@marialujan2626 Yes definitely. Both Passarella and Ruggeri belong to the list. Cheers.

  • @qizaa.
    @qizaa. 3 роки тому +3

    my favourite is van dijk

  • @AlejandroLomelin
    @AlejandroLomelin 10 місяців тому

    Something i dont understand is that defenders, especially fullbacks, arent even considered in top 10 football players of all time lists. Being a good fullback is much harder than being a striker and i feel like if the best defenders played and practiced playing attacking positions they would be considered top players

  • @SixStingsDarko
    @SixStingsDarko 2 роки тому

    Franz was not a defender, but center half!

  • @saifalyelfalal3231
    @saifalyelfalal3231 3 роки тому +4

    Nemanja vidic jaap stam why not in the list

  • @giovanniballetti4065
    @giovanniballetti4065 Рік тому

    You forgot Cannavaro the only defender to win a ballon d or

  • @josephgaze6086
    @josephgaze6086 2 роки тому

    I 'm very disappointed that he didn't include Tyrone mings

  • @Goatteeditz
    @Goatteeditz 9 місяців тому

    My fav kne probably ramos ps not a madrid fan

  • @marcolamb6712
    @marcolamb6712 3 роки тому +6

    Beckenbaur is one of the founding fathers of today's football 🐐🐐🐐

  • @shmoonzayn6831
    @shmoonzayn6831 2 роки тому +3

    I think that Beckenbauer was an exceptional player, he can play almost in every position, he was a good passer and dribbler. but, He wouldn't be that good in the modern era of football, but no doubt he was one of the greatest of all time.
    I consider Maldini as the goat of defenders bcz he had the technical ability with the ball and, the amount of tackles he used to do in a single match was just unimaginable!!!!!

  • @bananasuf1913
    @bananasuf1913 Рік тому

    Carlos Alberto broooo

  • @bzshguuudsf802
    @bzshguuudsf802 2 роки тому

    I love Sergio Ramos

  • @JmullaOrBala
    @JmullaOrBala Рік тому

    1. Maldini 2. RC 3. Cafu 4. Ramos 5. Marcelo

  • @marialujan2626
    @marialujan2626 2 роки тому

    06:54 Passarella 🇦🇷!!!

  • @mrsirpot
    @mrsirpot 2 роки тому +1

    What about fabio cannavaro..ballon de or winner

  • @vanjanedeljkovic1310
    @vanjanedeljkovic1310 2 роки тому +1

    What about Nemanja Vidic?

  • @jackcharlton132
    @jackcharlton132 Рік тому +1

    I think slab head (Harry Maguire) should of been on this list

  • @robinhazell6019
    @robinhazell6019 Місяць тому

    NOT Roberto Carlos. He spent more time attacking than actual defending.

  • @emmanuelchristian6811
    @emmanuelchristian6811 Рік тому

    The disrespect to Gerard pique is insane😬😬😬!!!

  • @mr.mandorff141
    @mr.mandorff141 2 роки тому

    Scirea and Cannavaro

  • @5hadow.13
    @5hadow.13 Рік тому

    Broo you forget Maguire he won 50 ballon do'or trophy 500 , Respect him

  • @jiyathakuria
    @jiyathakuria Рік тому +1

    Sergio Ramos🙏

  • @markngaruiya722
    @markngaruiya722 4 місяці тому

    Please come back

  • @blobvis765
    @blobvis765 3 роки тому

    I’m commenting so this gets recommended to people

  • @abaniket7
    @abaniket7 3 роки тому +3

    Ramos 🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @Burromuerto_
      @Burromuerto_ 2 роки тому

      Ramos sucks

    • @kodakwhite1696
      @kodakwhite1696 2 роки тому +1

      Ramos is shit

    • @TuttiFruttyify
      @TuttiFruttyify 2 роки тому

      @@Burromuerto_ Sergio Ramos : 1 World Cup, 2 UEFA European Championship, 4 Champions League, 4 Club World Cup, 5 Spanish League, 2 Copa del Rey, 4 Spanish Supercup...
      Say what?

    • @TuttiFruttyify
      @TuttiFruttyify 2 роки тому

      @@kodakwhite1696 Sergio Ramos : 1 World Cup, 2 UEFA European Championship, 4 Champions League, 4 Club World Cup, 5 Spanish League, 2 Copa del Rey, 4 Spanish Supercup...
      Say what?

    • @Burromuerto_
      @Burromuerto_ 2 роки тому

      @@TuttiFruttyify what's he doing now?

  • @dreamseller369
    @dreamseller369 2 роки тому

    NEMANJA VIDIĆ!!! 😊

  • @user-gr7eb8fh3r
    @user-gr7eb8fh3r 3 роки тому +2

    Where is cannavaro

  • @rayyanfreefire2791
    @rayyanfreefire2791 2 роки тому

    Cannavaro, komen blanc and herrio ?

  • @connorwoodard2130
    @connorwoodard2130 Рік тому

    Van Dijk is the best defender of all time he has all the perks and he’s super athletic.

    • @mohammeduddin6369
      @mohammeduddin6369 Рік тому +4

      Uh I’m sorry, how old are you?! 2, 3 years old probably

    • @Aaron-np5xe
      @Aaron-np5xe Рік тому +1

      All time? No thanks

    • @DondonGulgul
      @DondonGulgul Рік тому

      Van Dijk is a good, but Vidic was a beast❤

  • @abdullahshoaib7417
    @abdullahshoaib7417 2 роки тому

    Dude you forgot virgil van digkh

  • @snehanhaldar1179
    @snehanhaldar1179 2 роки тому

    Fabio Cannavaro not even mentioned