I said the same thing. Im glad they resisted the urge to make some big dramatic thing or some shootout. It's just two people who happen to meet in a bar because of mutual friends
@@samfisher6606I didn’t even realize how momentous it was that Kirk, Spock, and Uhura are at the same table until the camera pulled out on them. I like that they don’t realize how important this will be in later years.
This is how Kirk gets away with getting the women.. Get to a woman's heart through their stomach. You think that only applies to men, but it works surprisingly well with women as well. (I don't know if that's true. I bat for the other team)
I laughed hard at first, but then when you see Uhura was there with Hemmer recording the entire thing, my heart melted faster than an ice cube on a cocktail glass on a tropical beach
I know the reduced screen time for Pike is due to Anson Mount's personal life, but the increased focus on other characters this season is doing wonders adding depth & robustness to the show.
@@TheMsLourdes You didn't like 2x4--"Among the Lotus Eaters?" I did think Erica (if that's who you're talking about) was treated better in the following episode.
This episode hammered home what I've thought for a while. Paul Wesley was playing each alternate universe Kirk as a different person, and NOW he is actually the Kirk we all know. I'm just so happy with the acting choices he's been making.
I love the aesthetic of the ship's bar--it's so wonderfully 1960s without looking out of place. And I am liking the kindness that Wesley's Kirk displays alongside the confidence and the charm.
Perhaps one might say SNW has the best younger actors. But Discovery also had Spock, Pike and Una, not to mention Oscar-award-winning actors Michelle Yeow as Georgiou and Doug Jones as Saru.
@@Stress-Free-K i dont want to knock the other series, but this one really has that old school vibe ive been looking for, and the fact that the cast is nailing it, and the writers are giving such insights into the characters.... im just in love.
@@Donnagata1409 seriously, this series is probably the best blend yet, curious what problems you have with this one. Also, Discovery, much maligned by the ultra conservative canon wanking incel crowd, I quite liked it. I’m open to a range of interpretations of the “Universe”, yet so totally done with everything TOS, other than it being seed stock for the rest. It was mediocre at best and much of it complete and utter drek, I forced my self (hoping it would eventually improve) to rewatch the entirety of TOS after 45 years, realizing I’d probably only seen 1/2 to 2/3 of the episodes….. I literally fell asleep through half of them. So what’s your be beef with SNW. Calling it old school seems a stretch to me, other than vague similarities of the main characters, some attempt to stay “true to canon”, which I frankly don’t give a rats ass about ….
I am in awe of Jim's swagger. Everyone believed Nyota was going crazy, her doctors, her crew, her friends. Jim gets shot down at the bar, punched in the face, and still takes a hot minute just to listen to Nyota. Immediately gathers evidence that she is not an outlier, and waltzes onto the bridge of someone else's ship to say "Hey, crazy girl is actually just getting an F-ed up alien distress signal."
I loved the recap in this episode showing Spock being frustrated at Sam and then using that as his introduction to Kirk. Felt like fun way to twist expectation on it exploring Spock struggling to control emotions.
I think these last couple of episodes have shown that they cracked the code on a modern depiction of Kirk. I didn't much care for his performance the first time but the last two episodes with Paul Wesley's take on Kirk have been great. He's not doing a Shatner impression, but rather a modern take on the classic character. It works brilliantly for the show.
My cat passed away very suddenly and unexpectedly this past Sunday. It was nice having an episode with themes of grieving and healing come out this week.
The more i see this Kirk the more i like him. He has a lot of the og charisma but with a lot more...respect for boundaries. And i cant help but to love Sam, he is such a lovely dork
I liked Kirk’s comments about needing to be able to integrate and deal with pain. I was reminded of ST V (I know, I know), where Kirk rejects Sybok’s offer to take his pain away, pointing out that Kirk needs his pain. It’s part of who he is.
I really liked this episode. I love that we got to see Jim and Sam interact. I want Sam to be a bigger character. He is super interesting, especially now that we know their dad really was first officer on the _Kelvin._ It was great to see Hemmer again. This episode really balanced all of the plots and subplots really well. And the way Kirk and Spock met was really interesting. But I like that it was just two people at a bar. That’s far more realistic than them meeting in something like a shootout with Klingons. Im glad they resisted that urge to make their meeting super badass and instead it was just sort of mundane.
I love that Uhura asks Pike to do something completely the opposite of what he’s been working on all episode, and he trusts her so completely that he’s like “nope, no explanation needed, if you say so, we’re blowing it up.”
I would agree with this sentiment except for the fact that Pike double-checked with Kirk before carrying out her orders. I get it, this entire episode had Uhura questioning her sanity, so it’s totally reasonable that he questioned her logic but still… if Kirk had’ve shook his head no would Pike have listened to her?
@@ourabouras, probably not. And I think he would be right not to. The people we trust can be wrong sometimes. It’s not a betrayal of friendship to have that kind of doubt
I completely agree---with the exception of La'an. She got her moment, but just a moment. With her feelings for Kirk, I wish we had gotten a little bit more.
@@sjprdudewere you not watching her at the beginning and last third of the lotus eaters? Her excitement followed by resigned disappointment…. putting Spock, relatively gently in his place, because she’s a professional. And then covering the range of abject terror back back to full confidence… because she’s a professional and it’s a “feeling” , muscle memory. Besides that, we’ve seen the clips earlier this spring, Ortega cowgirling it down through the atmosphere of some lush planet, Pike,an experienced test pilot wincing …… she’ll get more.
I am starting to really like Paul Wesley as James Kirk, especially the way he interacts with Uhura and La'an (as a gentleman and with confidence). I also like him in the Tomorrow episode. Sure he is not exactly like previous Kirks, but those Kirks have already been done, so it is okay to try something new. He still has many of Kirk's traits like being a leader, having great ideas, great in conversation, and heroic coming to Uhura's rescue in this episode, and excellent dialogue with Uhura and La'an. It took awhile to accept this Kirk as he started out different than Chris Pine and Shatner in their swagger and style, but he is certainly interesting enough. I would like to see more episodes with him. Great review of this episode, Jessie!
Also Uhura's smile at the end watching Kirk and Spock meet. As a firm proponent of the T'Pring-Chapel-Spock-Kirk love square, I know that smile. She knew what she was doing. And it makes sense, because if anyone on the Enterprise could be a busybody matchmaker, it'd be the communications officer since she can eavesdrop on all the juicy tea, and at the right moment just subtly nudge her OTPs together.
As someone who watched her father die in a very traumatic way just last week, (watching the ER team try to revive him for 20 minutes straight before they made the call) this episode felt perfectly timed and tailored to be precisely what I needed. Not just the overall theme of processing grief and coming out the other end as a functioning whole person, but even the side theme of the Kirk brothers and their relationship to their father's legacy. Was a direct hit that pierced my shields, and like I said, was executed perfectly...
Uhura’s arc also echoes a common Trek message (maybe strongest in PIC s2), where remembering/acknowledging your own pain/trauma enables you to empathize with and ultimately help others.
Seeing Hemmer again was great. I like how they included him without bringing the character back to life or using the mirror universe/time travel. The scenes with the Kirk brothers were great and I liked the explanation about Sam not using the George Kirk name. Also they had Kirk meet Pike who was temporarily promoted to fleet captain a good call back. Celia Rose Gooding delivered a great performance and her friendship with Kirk worked well. Plus the scene at the end where Kirk and Spock meet casually knowing the friendship they'll have was great since that's often how so many real life friendship start. The bit about Patel giving Una a C on her paper was funny and then the acknowledgement of how hard it can be when you loose someone you work and then a new person arrives to fill their spot was great.
I love seeing this episode. Seeing Kirk interact with the crew was almost like laying the groundwork for when he eventually takes command of the enterprise in the future. I loved his handshake with Spock at at the end, such a nice touch at the end. I think O'hara had an awesome episode here. She has always been a strong character, and this emphasizes it. Also finally at the risk of sounding like a simp, you are Rocking that TOS uniform. Keep staying awesome.
This episode was soooo good! We got a classic Trek story, brilliantly written and acted, and developed beloved characters even further. I cried at least twice. SNW is the best new Trek hands down, bar none
We're seeing the start of OUR crew. I am so glad that the producers of the show are meta enough to realize that we are very much Una in this episode, and that we shouldn't think of Pellia as a replacement. Yet we're also Nyota and that we have trouble saying goodbye and I am glad that we actually got this chance and what a way to bring Bruce back I'm hoping that we get to see more of him as another character because he is a fantastic actor and very much part of the Star Trek Family. Speaking of the new chief engineer the more that I see her before I absolutely love her character. This was everything that I wanted from a Kirk before he takes command of the Enterprise. We've got a bit of that arrogance we've got the self-insuredness of somebody who knows that he's on the fast track to being one of the youngest captains in the fleet. We have the little brother who is looked up to because he seems to be following their father's career path. And we have the sympathetic friend and consummate Explorer. Would it have been nice to see more of La'an and Kirk, yes but it seems like the writers are very much setting up a parallel between that story and the Spock Chapel story( we don't want true dinners cat to actually be dead). And I think that that is a smart way to play it given the fact that we know where three of these characters end up emotionally throughout the next 30 Years. I also like that they didn't make a big deal about Kirk meeting Pike( I know that there are some that are going to be worried about a Canon violation but I personally do not see it as such since he would have had to have met Pike at some point for pike to even consider him for captain of the Enterprise)... and we know from Pike's experience last season that he knows the type of man that Kirk is and that Kirk may have a bigger destiny( even though his older self did not tell him specifics). I do also love that this is the second instance of Kirk's prowess in chess being shown, since we know what that in a few years time perk himself will say that his first officer plays an irritating game. Also I do rather love this symmetry of two timelines where Kirk and Uhura meet at a bar
For a minute, I really thought this episode will end without seeing Spock meeting with James Kirk. I'm so happy that I am wrong, I'm really so happy to see Kirk, Spock and Uhura together. All is missing now is McCoy, Sulu, Chekov and Scott, I'll be hoping that they'll be introduced one by one next season. By the way, Hemmer is an Aenar not Andorian, and the episode where George Kirk dies from the TOS I think its "Operation -- Annihilate!."
Hey Jessie! 👋 I know you get this every day but, thank you so much not only for your content and commentary but thank you for always understanding the bigger pictures going on. Thank you for always trying to gain knowledge yet always gracious enough to admit when you don't know. Thank you for your humor and your takes on our favorite nerdy shows. And most of all, as of July 20th 2023, thank you for your support of SAG. Nerdy pop culture shows have the BEST content creators! 🙌
When Pelia said "sabatage" I commented to my wife that this was one of those "invisible aliens live in the nebula and don't want them there" stories. When Zombie Hemmer first showed up, listen carefully and I swear I heard the transformers transforming sound effect. It was nice to have Uhura do something for an episode. It seems the most she's done up to this point this season was tell off a Starfleet technician and tell La'an that she wouldn't go into people's personal logs and a couple reaction shots. Get hyped, Jessie, next week is the Lower Decks crossover. 😁
I love that the first interaction between Kirk and Spock quietly reflects Spock's dual natures. Spock reveals his human side, expressing emotion (frustration), but also reveals his Vulcan side because we know exactly what frustrates him about Sam Kirk (his general human messiness, which we saw Spock explode over last episode).
This was a brilliant episode, Celia Rose Gooding is so good in this story, she’s an incredible actress and she really is Uhura. Loved Paul Wesley as Kirk he is showing us glimpses of the legendary character he will become. So much more than I expected following last week’s comedy episode. The ending gave me a warm fuzzy feeling seeing Kirk, Spock and Uhura together. Anson Mount shows us again why he is the perfect Christopher Pike, and such a masterful Captain. Superb review Jessie I always enjoy your videos ❤
This version of Kirk really endeared himself to me in this episode as an aside. It was so fun to see the start of the friendship between him and Uhura that would carry to TOS. Plus his quip about the game between Spock and Chapel was priceless and had me laughing so hard.
I do also think that Kirk's speach to Uhura adds quite a bit more depth to not only how much Spock's death it's Kirk in WOK, but also strengthens his I don't want my pain taken away speech from the final frontier
This episode was so good. It was weird, and creepy, and offputting and yet it's hard not to love the cast as they come together to solve a mystery without realizing they're stuck in one. If you need a spooky episode for Star Trek Halloween fun viewing, this is the episode to watch, unless you want to watch Cat's Paw for the hilarity from TOS. Uhura was great in this. Always love seeing other characters getting some spotlight love.
I loved this episode and this season for exploring each of the characters. I let out the ugliest guffaw at the callback to Spock's feelings about Sam's mess. Also, it's a small detail and why representation matters: Uhura was wearing a durag while she slept. As a Black (American) person, that is such a cultural thing that gets overlooked. Either the hair gets covered or we sleep on a silk/satin pillowcase to protect our hair because it's naturally drier. I've watched so many movies and tv shows with Black characters, especially on a big network, where this detail is overlooked or ignored. When I saw it (and the other time in season 1), I feel seen. Also, Paramount really should come out with some Starfleet durags and hair bonnets. I'd snap one up in heartbeat! NOTE: I can't speak to non-US cultural practices among the Africa and the African diaspora re protective coverings during sleep
Two comments, both about Jim Kirk. First, his concern about and support for Uhura was exemplary, and his inspirational speech to Uhura about not letting Death win was one for the ages and should be celebrated. Second, at the end of the show, his not understanding that after Sam congratulated him, Sam was looking for him to return the complement, since Sam had been the one to put forward the theory about interdimensional aliens in the warp fuel, and thus deserved credit for helping come up the solution. If I was Sam, I would have gotten fed up with Jim at that point and walked away myself.
Yeah, that Jim Kirk just doesn't reply accordingly also bugged me! IMHO it didn't fit in with his speech at the beginning about both of them being able to make achievements, whether it's in a command career or not.
What can I say. I loved this episode. I loved the final scene, with Uhura introducing Kirk and Spock....My little fan girl (who read to many slash fic back in the day) went pitter patter. I love that Uhura is coming into here own, from last season "teen" Uhura into becoming more adult. La'an's scene with Kirk was a little heartbreaking. I have to say that the writing on this show is probably the best writing in all of star trek, even the original..... I like that the stories are given time to breathe. The plot being pushed to the back a little was okay with me, the plot in a way didn't matter as much as the character development. I like this kirk because, IMHO, he aligns with the Kirk on TOS a little more. He is a risk taker, but he is able to listen.
"Right now...death is winning!" Kirk's insight is powerful. When Death claims a loved one...the pain of grief almost compels us to allow their memory to fade or to turn away from recalling them because the pain is so great. Kirk says...defy death's push to render us truly invisible to the world. That the aliens themselves are "invisible" is not as subtle a metaphor as it seems. We are always compelled to retreat from the moments that hurt the most...but those moments, that we endured them, that we rose again despite them, are the hallmarks our strength and our character. They are the growing pains of life...to arrive at that place of knowing that life carries unavoidable pain and we embrace life nonetheless. Every "Hello" in life inherently carries a good-bye...every meeting ... a farewell...and every love...eventually...the heartbreak of an undesired end...either by departure, by death, by betrayal, by distance...etc.
i was hoping the invisible aliens would tell Uhura how to extract the duterium without harming them.... maybe even expedite the process... a la TOS's "Devil in the Dark"
I really enjoyed this episode when I finally got around to watching it. The fact it was part psychological horror, part exploration of grief, part background on Kirk and getting to see a good amount of firsts for him in the timeline. Uhura being the lead was really welcomed and I'm really glad that this show, and especially this season, is allowing for the rest of the crew to get the spotlight to help explore them more. We just need a solo Ortegas episode to finish the cycle (I have not finished this season yet so I don't know if there has been one lol)
This episode shows, once again, that Pike implicitly trusts his officers. He never questions them at the moment, he accepts that they know what they're doing, and asks questions later.
I expected to see her too when the camera was panning away but they could have done it in a way that showed that she was choosing to move on instead of remaining in emotional turmoil about him
I loved the episode and thought it was quite solid overall. I am concerned that Kirk is having too much of a role in this season as this should be about Pike. This episode also did a pretty good job of giving a larger number of characters important screen time.
Really liked this episode 👌 loved the end with kirk meeting spock then with uhura sat at the bar the future enterprise gang together for the first time
Kudos for the intro regarding SAG-AFTRA. Like yourself, I have seen or read this story many time, for me it had the same premise as ST:TNG pilot ep. The ending scene where Spock and Kirk meet had me wondering if we will ever see McCoy at any time during the run of this series.
I like how this season is focusing on one crew member in the episodes. This time around it's Uhuru. I loved the interaction between James and Sam Kirk. All the characters in theepisode had meaningful moments.
A really enjoyable episode. Seeing that Mass Effect poster in the background reminds me that I spent much of the episode thinking about that part of Mass Effect… 2?… where there’s some scientists working on a presumed-dead Reaper, and it’s slowly indoctrinating them. Which is _kinda_ what was happening, albeit unintentionally.
This episode was fantastic, but also character driven. Seeing what Uhura experienced, but finding a way with a friend's help to find a solution. So many moving parts, plus Kirk dropping by, adding support. Another excellent episode. Also Spock, Kirk, and Uhura having a chat, after a long day. The best
The Uhura and James Kirk dynamic in this episode just absolutely drove me And Pike just absolutely wholeheartedly trusting his crew. Yes. One thing this episode reminded me though was that from the pilot, I expected Sam to have more of a role throughout the show and I realized he's been much more of a background player. Here's hoping he gets more to do as the show goes on.
Weird coincidence: I have been in a mood lately to reread certain Star Trek TOS novels, such as The Wounded Sky and The Three Minute Universe. In fact, I grabbed my copy of TMU last night but started reading it after watching this episode. When I took it off the shelf, I didn't pay attention to the cover picture, but when I started to read it immediately after watching the episode I noticed that Uhura and Kirk were on the cover, and the story (which I hadn't read in a few years and forgot about) involves Uhura reliving a past tragedy involving her sister's death.
There was a lot to love here. Uhura's stuff was great and it's so nice to see Hemmer still being a presence for her. Also nice to see her start her friendship with Jim! And save the ship! Sam and Jim's brotherly conflict was also cool to see (Just their dynamic at all really.) Also I love Sam. He just keeps giving everything. Loved that Spock and Kirk's meeting was downplayed. Still wondering if they're going to do anything interesting with Spock and Chapel before they break up. Making so much of her stuff about him has hampered the storytelling there, I feel. It's just very uneven. We get so much on Spock and Chapel is... a capable officer who fancies him and we don't have much else so it makes them hard to root for, especially as almost all of their exchanges are about their relationship status.
Watching the episode is the best part of the day and watching your take after that is the next best part - especially where you narrate the episode. Thanks for making these videos.
"We're torturing these creatures to make our ship go!" - Equinox "We need to stop harvesting this nebula to make our ship go!" - The Cloud first ones that sprung to my mind!
This episode was about many things .One communication is that the Alien were trying to communicate thru imagery that they will being killed by the refinery. Uhura was seen images of death. Uhura was trying to avoid the feelings of sorrow because of her parents and Hemmer who she became very close to. Una also was avoid these feeling and acted badly toward Pelia who took Hemmer's place.The acting of Gooding was excellent and he meeting James Kirk who helped her in this episode to realize death is part of life and she had to come to grips with in .When Uhura did she realize that aliens were communicating with her .The story is to connected how James Kirk met Pike as a fleet Captain and Uhura and finally he met the most important person that became his friend Mr. Spock. I like it was a casual meeting with them because he took many years to develop a friendship between Kirk and Spock. I like that James and Sam had a very normal relationship and Sam was jealous that James career was on the fast track. Brothers can figure but they still lived as other So when Sam was killed years later James was very hurt All in all I liked this very much. I give it a grade of.B+
Scifi stories where humans have to learn to communicate with inimitable, incredibly Other beings and then helping/respecting them once their needs are understood hold a special place in my heart. I also love Pelia's kindly Space Baba Yaga energy 😂
"We're accidentally killing these invisible space aliens, and the abnormal phenomena we've been experiencing is just the aliens trying to communicate!" is pretty much Star Trek Plot Number A-5, but the character work made the episode memorable nonetheless.
The moments were small, but I feel like the Spirk people out there ate well with this episode. Spock and Chapel (who ARE in a... undefined relationship) playing chess but they don't quite click, while Kirk observes from the other side of the bar and proves himself a match for Spock's ability. Plus the way the way the camera significantly held on them when they finally met, sure, it's significant because its a huge piece of canon, but its also shot like they're setting up the first meeting of soulmates (t'hy'la forever) (also, this Kirk finally makes me understand why everyone wants him so bad. He's an intellectual golden retriever with a +10 to Charisma)
There's a great character beat when a very attractive female crew member passes Kirk in a door way and he doesn't look up to ogle her because he's too engrossed in his work. Great work in playing against Kirk's reputation as a rake. Hope to see more of Sam & James together before the end of season. Also nice work giving Chapel more of a direct voice in her relationship with Spock.
I think I actually enjoyed this episode most of the season so far. The plot was secondary to the actual story being told of loss and mourning and relationships and I loved how this episode built on all these connections made between different characters earlier in the season and the show as a whole. And how it subtly set up those relationships we already know very well. It was great!
@Jessie Gender After Dark Hello Jessie hunny, I really liked and enjoyed this episode with its character development and emotional tones. I agreed with everything you said about the episode, especially about Hemmer’s character being killed off in the first season. I think many fans really miss his character, so it was awesome to see him in this episode, which made me tear up. I also found this episode to be quite emotional, which I felt explored the concept of unresolved, suppressed and complicated grief, playing on one’s subconscious. Celia Rose Gooding’s performance was exceptional in this episode and I was happy to see a focus on Uhura. The conversation that Kirk had with Uhura regarding death was powerful and you could see the subtle hint of Shatners Kirk in Wesley’s acting. I was very interested to see the exploration of the sibling relationship between Sam and his brother as well. I loved seeing Pelia again as she brings so much freshness and uniqueness to the show. The one thing that seemed far fetched to me is how Pike took Uhura’s request to destroy the mining station at face value , without finding alternative way as Starfleet would have raised many questions. And finally, the meeting of Spock and Kirk for the first time, with the camera zooming in on their handshake, made me shed a tear as well. Also, I could hang out in that Enterprise bar all day.
Uh... Nobody else found strange that Pike decided to blow a station only because Uhura told him she was certain? When the last thing he knew about her was that she was hallucinating? In Star Trek 2009, when Kirk realizes the Narada is behind Vulcan's problems and runs to the bridge to warn it is an attack, Uhura is with him to confirm his assertions, and Spock supports her. Only then Pike orders to take precautions. In this scene, the Kirks should have informed Pike of what was going on, and/or obtained some kind of scientific proof before running all together to the bridge and *demonstrated* the existence of the deuterium aliens. Speculation does not equal a established fact, even less in a *science*-fiction series.
It wasn't just Uhura but add in they lost control of the station. They couldn't shut it down due to all the damage. An out of control deutrumian processing station with tremendous out of damage. Blowing it up before things get worse sounds safer.what Uhura just added another reason. And they knew something trying communicate Uhura and Ramon
The problem with obtaining proof is that if Uhura was right then the station was actively killing the aliens right then. The longer they delay acting the more of them die.
Thank you for acknowledging the strike. It's not only the Writers and Actors but everyone in the industry who is not wealthy. Technical jobs, Art jobs, Admin jobs, we're all effected by the strike and greedy people who do not want to pay us what we are owed. Our work is real and vital and we put our entire lives into doing it the best we can. If you question the value of Art and its contribution to society as a whole, ask Mordin Solus for his opinion on the issue.
Main issue I had with this ep was that I knew the answer to the “mystery” very early on. This was mostly a character building episode and it that sense it did work.
you mentioned you liked the mystery but weren't on the edge of your seat, and I wanted to say I absolutely was, probably more than I have been during a Star Trek episode in a long time. I didn't feel like it entirely fit normal Star Trek tropes for no reason I can articulate, so as such I genuinely felt like anything could happen. I also worked out the answer to the mystery literally seconds before Uhura did and genuinely flipped out when my theory was confirmed because I felt like everything fit so perfectly. it felt a little meandering at times but this is probably one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek in a while
"....had a hotdog from Kirk..." LMAO!!!!! THANKS for this (even this joke :) ) !!! Love, love, LOVE this standard "TNG" episode because of the amazing and historic character interaction. We see the evolution of the man who would later create a family and say to it in TOS, "risk is our business" and "We are not out here to survive." Carol Kane is clearly the Whoopi Goldberg of this five-year mission :) . This show has the potential to become the best 21st-century Trek show ever!!!!
I loved this episode to they missed out an easter egg at the end when Pike tells Uhura that he was going to contact Admiral Nagawa instead they should of used Admiral Nogura the admiral who gave Kirk the Enterprise which I thought he had lol
I was so concerned they were going to do some love triangle nonsense with Uhura and Kirk... Thank the Light. As a horror fan, I LOVED IT. Fav so far, how the hell do you keep [spoilers] it to yourself, it's like a cursed gift. At least it's out but now you need a disclaimer lol. edit: I mean the screeners, and great job Jessie.
Really liked this episode. Might not be my favourite, but it was entertaining, really came together well. I don't have a lot to say this week except that it was well shot, very well performed by Celia Rose Gooding (Paul Wesley and the rest were solid and Carol Kane's a treasure) and the episode tied up at around the right point. I'm a little cool on the Spock moments of the episode (I don't hate the talk with Chapel, I just...don't feel much of anything for it, and Spock joining Kirk & Uhura at the end just felt like unnecessary fanservice, but I don't begrudge that) and I'm mixed on the La'an moments (given she appears for maybe 3 or 4 minutes total, so she can run into Kirk twice, though well acted and kind of heartbreaking knowing her past).
I loved this episode, though it wasn't doing anything new it was doing it spectacularly well, in a way that relied entirely upon the cast's great performances. I found it reminiscent of the DS9 pilot Emissary, and Sisko's interaction with the Prophets, learning to connect to a very alien viewpoint through the lens of confronting his own trauma, which is very much peak Trek.
I really liked the episode. Hoping I will get to watch the remaining episodes, as my situation is still very bad. -- I began guessing the sound was slowed or modified audio somewhere in there, because I've heard slowed and modified audio before in voice recordings. -- Good char development, god Star Trek plot, but how do the two starships move after dumping their deuterium? Lt. Jim Kirk and now Fleet Capt. Pike, this seemed like a good way to involve them, although -- in TOS, I still think the Federation had had only limited contact with the Corn by the Arena episode. I would nee d to rewatch. But I think. I am OK seeing SNW as in its own timeline or canon, not the same as the original. Overall, liking this ep a lot, liking how the characters are coming along for the most part. Having so many characters to juggle, though, tends to leave little time for everyone to have much. I'm too tired for any more in-depth comment. Thanks for Jessies's review.
I loved the fact that Spock meeting Kirk for the first time wasn’t some big dramatic moment.
“Your brother is a dick.”
“Yes he is. Pull up a chair.”
Very in character 😂😂
I said the same thing. Im glad they resisted the urge to make some big dramatic thing or some shootout. It's just two people who happen to meet in a bar because of mutual friends
"Your brother is a dick"
"Yes he is. Wanna make out?"
"Yes please"
@@samfisher6606I didn’t even realize how momentous it was that Kirk, Spock, and Uhura are at the same table until the camera pulled out on them. I like that they don’t realize how important this will be in later years.
@@ffreedI can totally imagine all the extras completely geeking out over that scene when the cameras cut.
So now it's canon. Spock and James T. Kirk first meet while bonding over their shared frustration with Kirk's brother, Sam. Fascinating.
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It was good to see Kirk, Spock and Uhura sit down together at the end of this episode. To become life long friends (eventually).
They should send Sam a card.
I love that James Kirk keeps trying to give people food. First he gives La'an a hot dog, then he attempts to give Nyota a cookie.
This is how Kirk gets away with getting the women.. Get to a woman's heart through their stomach. You think that only applies to men, but it works surprisingly well with women as well.
(I don't know if that's true. I bat for the other team)
My headcanon is that Pelia having crumbs on her uniform on "real cookie day" isn't a coincidence.
At least she left one for Kirk.
Hahaha great catch there
This may be my favorite Trek observation ever
Somewhere someone is asking, "But when DID she eat!? The writers just dropped that storyline. No respect for Gene's vision!"
Uhura basically following a youtube tutorial to fix a starship made me laugh a little too much 😊
I laughed hard at first, but then when you see Uhura was there with Hemmer recording the entire thing, my heart melted faster than an ice cube on a cocktail glass on a tropical beach
I know the reduced screen time for Pike is due to Anson Mount's personal life, but the increased focus on other characters this season is doing wonders adding depth & robustness to the show.
But where is the love for our helmsman??? The only glaring oversight so far.
I didn't know this! THANKS!
@@TheMsLourdes You didn't like 2x4--"Among the Lotus Eaters?" I did think Erica (if that's who you're talking about) was treated better in the following episode.
Just to clarify..its a baby girl, Clover Mount that is responsible for all these awesome episodes exploring the rest of the crew.
I’ve enjoyed the focus on other characters this season. It’s good to see the cast treated as more of an ensemble.
This episode hammered home what I've thought for a while. Paul Wesley was playing each alternate universe Kirk as a different person, and NOW he is actually the Kirk we all know. I'm just so happy with the acting choices he's been making.
"Hemmer"ed home, eh? :)
Imagine being Kirk and feeling like "Why does everyone on this ship seems to know me even though I dont know them ?"
Mind you, it would just make me paranoid about my brother.
I love the aesthetic of the ship's bar--it's so wonderfully 1960s without looking out of place. And I am liking the kindness that Wesley's Kirk displays alongside the confidence and the charm.
Can you imagine that narcissist Shatner trying to ham his way through that scene.
@@Rufudufus let's don't imagine that and say we did [g]
i have to say la'an and uhura are TREMENDOUS actresses! this series has by far the most talent of any other trek series!
Perhaps one might say SNW has the best younger actors. But Discovery also had Spock, Pike and Una, not to mention Oscar-award-winning actors Michelle Yeow as Georgiou and Doug Jones as Saru.
@@Stress-Free-K i dont want to knock the other series, but this one really has that old school vibe ive been looking for, and the fact that the cast is nailing it, and the writers are giving such insights into the characters.... im just in love.
@@sheepwshotguns42 Yes, old school... That's the problem.
@@Donnagata1409 seriously, this series is probably the best blend yet, curious what problems you have with this one. Also, Discovery, much maligned by the ultra conservative canon wanking incel crowd, I quite liked it. I’m open to a range of interpretations of the “Universe”, yet so totally done with everything TOS, other than it being seed stock for the rest. It was mediocre at best and much of it complete and utter drek, I forced my self (hoping it would eventually improve) to rewatch the entirety of TOS after 45 years, realizing I’d probably only seen 1/2 to 2/3 of the episodes….. I literally fell asleep through half of them. So what’s your be beef with SNW. Calling it old school seems a stretch to me, other than vague similarities of the main characters, some attempt to stay “true to canon”, which I frankly don’t give a rats ass about ….
I am in awe of Jim's swagger. Everyone believed Nyota was going crazy, her doctors, her crew, her friends. Jim gets shot down at the bar, punched in the face, and still takes a hot minute just to listen to Nyota. Immediately gathers evidence that she is not an outlier, and waltzes onto the bridge of someone else's ship to say "Hey, crazy girl is actually just getting an F-ed up alien distress signal."
I loved the recap in this episode showing Spock being frustrated at Sam and then using that as his introduction to Kirk. Felt like fun way to twist expectation on it exploring Spock struggling to control emotions.
The Kitk/Spock/Uhura scene at the end sucker punched me right in the feels.I legit got a bit misty eyed.
Spock meeting Kirk made my heart warm
I think these last couple of episodes have shown that they cracked the code on a modern depiction of Kirk. I didn't much care for his performance the first time but the last two episodes with Paul Wesley's take on Kirk have been great. He's not doing a Shatner impression, but rather a modern take on the classic character. It works brilliantly for the show.
My cat passed away very suddenly and unexpectedly this past Sunday. It was nice having an episode with themes of grieving and healing come out this week.
Very sorry for your loss. Hugs ❤
@@scoundrell Thank you
So sorry. Our cat passed away very suddenly and unexpectedly in January. I miss him terribly.
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The more i see this Kirk the more i like him. He has a lot of the og charisma but with a lot more...respect for boundaries. And i cant help but to love Sam, he is such a lovely dork
I liked Kirk’s comments about needing to be able to integrate and deal with pain. I was reminded of ST V (I know, I know), where Kirk rejects Sybok’s offer to take his pain away, pointing out that Kirk needs his pain. It’s part of who he is.
If you told me five years ago that there would be a Star Trek show that will make me care about Sybok, I'd never believe it. And yet...
I really liked this episode. I love that we got to see Jim and Sam interact. I want Sam to be a bigger character. He is super interesting, especially now that we know their dad really was first officer on the _Kelvin._ It was great to see Hemmer again. This episode really balanced all of the plots and subplots really well. And the way Kirk and Spock met was really interesting. But I like that it was just two people at a bar. That’s far more realistic than them meeting in something like a shootout with Klingons. Im glad they resisted that urge to make their meeting super badass and instead it was just sort of mundane.
I esp adored that Uhura introduced them!
I love that Uhura asks Pike to do something completely the opposite of what he’s been working on all episode, and he trusts her so completely that he’s like “nope, no explanation needed, if you say so, we’re blowing it up.”
I would agree with this sentiment except for the fact that Pike double-checked with Kirk before carrying out her orders. I get it, this entire episode had Uhura questioning her sanity, so it’s totally reasonable that he questioned her logic but still… if Kirk had’ve shook his head no would Pike have listened to her?
@@ourabouras, probably not. And I think he would be right not to. The people we trust can be wrong sometimes. It’s not a betrayal of friendship to have that kind of doubt
Kirk and Spock bonding over their annoyance with Sam Kirk was hilarious.
I love that literally everyone got their moments, and they all blended together perfectly. Loving this season so, so much.
I completely agree---with the exception of La'an. She got her moment, but just a moment. With her feelings for Kirk, I wish we had gotten a little bit more.
What moment did Ortegas got?
@@sjprdudewere you not watching her at the beginning and last third of the lotus eaters? Her excitement followed by resigned disappointment…. putting Spock, relatively gently in his place, because she’s a professional. And then covering the range of abject terror back back to full confidence… because she’s a professional and it’s a “feeling” , muscle memory. Besides that, we’ve seen the clips earlier this spring, Ortega cowgirling it down through the atmosphere of some lush planet, Pike,an experienced test pilot wincing …… she’ll get more.
I am starting to really like Paul Wesley as James Kirk, especially the way he interacts with Uhura and La'an (as a gentleman and with confidence). I also like him in the Tomorrow episode. Sure he is not exactly like previous Kirks, but those Kirks have already been done, so it is okay to try something new. He still has many of Kirk's traits like being a leader, having great ideas, great in conversation, and heroic coming to Uhura's rescue in this episode, and excellent dialogue with Uhura and La'an. It took awhile to accept this Kirk as he started out different than Chris Pine and Shatner in their swagger and style, but he is certainly interesting enough. I would like to see more episodes with him. Great review of this episode, Jessie!
Also Uhura's smile at the end watching Kirk and Spock meet. As a firm proponent of the T'Pring-Chapel-Spock-Kirk love square, I know that smile. She knew what she was doing. And it makes sense, because if anyone on the Enterprise could be a busybody matchmaker, it'd be the communications officer since she can eavesdrop on all the juicy tea, and at the right moment just subtly nudge her OTPs together.
As someone who watched her father die in a very traumatic way just last week, (watching the ER team try to revive him for 20 minutes straight before they made the call) this episode felt perfectly timed and tailored to be precisely what I needed. Not just the overall theme of processing grief and coming out the other end as a functioning whole person, but even the side theme of the Kirk brothers and their relationship to their father's legacy. Was a direct hit that pierced my shields, and like I said, was executed perfectly...
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Sorry to hear. Sounds awful. All the best to you.
Yeah.. sometimes “shields up” doesn’t work.
Uhura’s arc also echoes a common Trek message (maybe strongest in PIC s2), where remembering/acknowledging your own pain/trauma enables you to empathize with and ultimately help others.
10:15 See, it's when you apologize for things like the "hot dog" statement...that's when we know you're lying. You're not sorry. You're hilarious.
Kirk had to deal with having a father who is the god of thunder and defender of Midgard. That's a hell of a legacy.
Seeing Hemmer again was great. I like how they included him without bringing the character back to life or using the mirror universe/time travel. The scenes with the Kirk brothers were great and I liked the explanation about Sam not using the George Kirk name. Also they had Kirk meet Pike who was temporarily promoted to fleet captain a good call back. Celia Rose Gooding delivered a great performance and her friendship with Kirk worked well. Plus the scene at the end where Kirk and Spock meet casually knowing the friendship they'll have was great since that's often how so many real life friendship start. The bit about Patel giving Una a C on her paper was funny and then the acknowledgement of how hard it can be when you loose someone you work and then a new person arrives to fill their spot was great.
I love seeing this episode. Seeing Kirk interact with the crew was almost like laying the groundwork for when he eventually takes command of the enterprise in the future. I loved his handshake with Spock at at the end, such a nice touch at the end. I think O'hara had an awesome episode here. She has always been a strong character, and this emphasizes it. Also finally at the risk of sounding like a simp, you are Rocking that TOS uniform. Keep staying awesome.
This episode was soooo good! We got a classic Trek story, brilliantly written and acted, and developed beloved characters even further. I cried at least twice. SNW is the best new Trek hands down, bar none
Jim Kirk offering Uhura a cookie made me realize that Paul Wesley's Kirk is the best friend everyone needs.
“How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life.”
We're seeing the start of OUR crew. I am so glad that the producers of the show are meta enough to realize that we are very much Una in this episode, and that we shouldn't think of Pellia as a replacement. Yet we're also Nyota and that we have trouble saying goodbye and I am glad that we actually got this chance and what a way to bring Bruce back I'm hoping that we get to see more of him as another character because he is a fantastic actor and very much part of the Star Trek Family. Speaking of the new chief engineer the more that I see her before I absolutely love her character. This was everything that I wanted from a Kirk before he takes command of the Enterprise. We've got a bit of that arrogance we've got the self-insuredness of somebody who knows that he's on the fast track to being one of the youngest captains in the fleet. We have the little brother who is looked up to because he seems to be following their father's career path. And we have the sympathetic friend and consummate Explorer. Would it have been nice to see more of La'an and Kirk, yes but it seems like the writers are very much setting up a parallel between that story and the Spock Chapel story( we don't want true dinners cat to actually be dead). And I think that that is a smart way to play it given the fact that we know where three of these characters end up emotionally throughout the next 30 Years. I also like that they didn't make a big deal about Kirk meeting Pike( I know that there are some that are going to be worried about a Canon violation but I personally do not see it as such since he would have had to have met Pike at some point for pike to even consider him for captain of the Enterprise)... and we know from Pike's experience last season that he knows the type of man that Kirk is and that Kirk may have a bigger destiny( even though his older self did not tell him specifics). I do also love that this is the second instance of Kirk's prowess in chess being shown, since we know what that in a few years time perk himself will say that his first officer plays an irritating game. Also I do rather love this symmetry of two timelines where Kirk and Uhura meet at a bar
They can always give him the Weyoun treatment
@@ralalbatross true
For a minute, I really thought this episode will end without seeing Spock meeting with James Kirk. I'm so happy that I am wrong, I'm really so happy to see Kirk, Spock and Uhura together. All is missing now is McCoy, Sulu, Chekov and Scott, I'll be hoping that they'll be introduced one by one next season.
By the way, Hemmer is an Aenar not Andorian, and the episode where George Kirk dies from the TOS I think its "Operation -- Annihilate!."
Chekhov is about 12 at this stage
I think McCoy and Kirk are already friends( as it is implied that McCoy was there at the Academy when Kirk took his Kobayashi Maru test)
Hey Jessie! 👋
I know you get this every day but, thank you so much not only for your content and commentary but thank you for always understanding the bigger pictures going on. Thank you for always trying to gain knowledge yet always gracious enough to admit when you don't know. Thank you for your humor and your takes on our favorite nerdy shows. And most of all, as of July 20th 2023, thank you for your support of SAG. Nerdy pop culture shows have the BEST content creators! 🙌
When Pelia said "sabatage" I commented to my wife that this was one of those "invisible aliens live in the nebula and don't want them there" stories.
When Zombie Hemmer first showed up, listen carefully and I swear I heard the transformers transforming sound effect.
It was nice to have Uhura do something for an episode. It seems the most she's done up to this point this season was tell off a Starfleet technician and tell La'an that she wouldn't go into people's personal logs and a couple reaction shots.
Get hyped, Jessie, next week is the Lower Decks crossover. 😁
I love that the first interaction between Kirk and Spock quietly reflects Spock's dual natures. Spock reveals his human side, expressing emotion (frustration), but also reveals his Vulcan side because we know exactly what frustrates him about Sam Kirk (his general human messiness, which we saw Spock explode over last episode).
This was a brilliant episode, Celia Rose Gooding is so good in this story, she’s an incredible actress and she really is Uhura. Loved Paul Wesley as Kirk he is showing us glimpses of the legendary character he will become. So much more than I expected following last week’s comedy episode. The ending gave me a warm fuzzy feeling seeing Kirk, Spock and Uhura together. Anson Mount shows us again why he is the perfect Christopher Pike, and such a masterful Captain. Superb review Jessie I always enjoy your videos ❤
Where is the Jr coming from?
@@Becvar80 Cuba on the brain lol
This version of Kirk really endeared himself to me in this episode as an aside. It was so fun to see the start of the friendship between him and Uhura that would carry to TOS.
Plus his quip about the game between Spock and Chapel was priceless and had me laughing so hard.
I do also think that Kirk's speach to Uhura adds quite a bit more depth to not only how much Spock's death it's Kirk in WOK, but also strengthens his I don't want my pain taken away speech from the final frontier
This episode was so good. It was weird, and creepy, and offputting and yet it's hard not to love the cast as they come together to solve a mystery without realizing they're stuck in one. If you need a spooky episode for Star Trek Halloween fun viewing, this is the episode to watch, unless you want to watch Cat's Paw for the hilarity from TOS. Uhura was great in this. Always love seeing other characters getting some spotlight love.
I hulbly submit The Thaw (Voy) for your Halloween playlist
@@FxdGearQueer Oooo that's a good one too. "I know."
I loved this episode and this season for exploring each of the characters. I let out the ugliest guffaw at the callback to Spock's feelings about Sam's mess. Also, it's a small detail and why representation matters: Uhura was wearing a durag while she slept. As a Black (American) person, that is such a cultural thing that gets overlooked. Either the hair gets covered or we sleep on a silk/satin pillowcase to protect our hair because it's naturally drier. I've watched so many movies and tv shows with Black characters, especially on a big network, where this detail is overlooked or ignored. When I saw it (and the other time in season 1), I feel seen. Also, Paramount really should come out with some Starfleet durags and hair bonnets. I'd snap one up in heartbeat!
NOTE: I can't speak to non-US cultural practices among the Africa and the African diaspora re protective coverings during sleep
The moment when Kirk talked about watching Spock and Chapel play chess, and then the handshake at the end........... very good to me as a shipper lol
Two comments, both about Jim Kirk.
First, his concern about and support for Uhura was exemplary, and his inspirational speech to Uhura about not letting Death win was one for the ages and should be celebrated.
Second, at the end of the show, his not understanding that after Sam congratulated him, Sam was looking for him to return the complement, since Sam had been the one to put forward the theory about interdimensional aliens in the warp fuel, and thus deserved credit for helping come up the solution.
If I was Sam, I would have gotten fed up with Jim at that point and walked away myself.
Yeah, that Jim Kirk just doesn't reply accordingly also bugged me! IMHO it didn't fit in with his speech at the beginning about both of them being able to make achievements, whether it's in a command career or not.
That Kirk speech was so Kirk, reminded me of Star Trek V.
What can I say. I loved this episode. I loved the final scene, with Uhura introducing Kirk and Spock....My little fan girl (who read to many slash fic back in the day) went pitter patter. I love that Uhura is coming into here own, from last season "teen" Uhura into becoming more adult. La'an's scene with Kirk was a little heartbreaking. I have to say that the writing on this show is probably the best writing in all of star trek, even the original..... I like that the stories are given time to breathe. The plot being pushed to the back a little was okay with me, the plot in a way didn't matter as much as the character development. I like this kirk because, IMHO, he aligns with the Kirk on TOS a little more. He is a risk taker, but he is able to listen.
"Right now...death is winning!" Kirk's insight is powerful. When Death claims a loved one...the pain of grief almost compels us to allow their memory to fade or to turn away from recalling them because the pain is so great. Kirk says...defy death's push to render us truly invisible to the world. That the aliens themselves are "invisible" is not as subtle a metaphor as it seems. We are always compelled to retreat from the moments that hurt the most...but those moments, that we endured them, that we rose again despite them, are the hallmarks our strength and our character. They are the growing pains of life...to arrive at that place of knowing that life carries unavoidable pain and we embrace life nonetheless. Every "Hello" in life inherently carries a good-bye...every meeting ... a farewell...and every love...eventually...the heartbreak of an undesired end...either by departure, by death, by betrayal, by distance...etc.
I love that once again Kirk has been brought in to support one of the SNW characters!
i was hoping the invisible aliens would tell Uhura how to extract the duterium without harming them.... maybe even expedite the process... a la TOS's "Devil in the Dark"
I really enjoyed this episode when I finally got around to watching it. The fact it was part psychological horror, part exploration of grief, part background on Kirk and getting to see a good amount of firsts for him in the timeline. Uhura being the lead was really welcomed and I'm really glad that this show, and especially this season, is allowing for the rest of the crew to get the spotlight to help explore them more. We just need a solo Ortegas episode to finish the cycle (I have not finished this season yet so I don't know if there has been one lol)
This episode shows, once again, that Pike implicitly trusts his officers. He never questions them at the moment, he accepts that they know what they're doing, and asks questions later.
I was so scared that at the very end they were going to have La'an in the distance pining for Kirk...so glad they didn't go that cheesy route
I expected to see her too when the camera was panning away but they could have done it in a way that showed that she was choosing to move on instead of remaining in emotional turmoil about him
Good point...but I wanted more about her at the end. How s she coping with this?
I loved the episode and thought it was quite solid overall. I am concerned that Kirk is having too much of a role in this season as this should be about Pike. This episode also did a pretty good job of giving a larger number of characters important screen time.
Really liked this episode 👌 loved the end with kirk meeting spock then with uhura sat at the bar the future enterprise gang together for the first time
Awwwww, this episode was sooooo good in so many ways 💖
They even got nostalgia right: "Why don't you ... join us?" 😭
SNW is dangerously close to becoming my favorite version of Trek. And I grew up with TOS!
Kudos for the intro regarding SAG-AFTRA.
Like yourself, I have seen or read this story many time, for me it had the same premise as ST:TNG pilot ep.
The ending scene where Spock and Kirk meet had me wondering if we will ever see McCoy at any time during the run of this series.
Your disclaimer at the beginning was wonderful. Great work - let's go unions! Good review too, of course. ;)
I like how this season is focusing on one crew member in the episodes. This time around it's Uhuru. I loved the interaction
between James and Sam Kirk. All the characters in theepisode had meaningful moments.
A really enjoyable episode.
Seeing that Mass Effect poster in the background reminds me that I spent much of the episode thinking about that part of Mass Effect… 2?… where there’s some scientists working on a presumed-dead Reaper, and it’s slowly indoctrinating them. Which is _kinda_ what was happening, albeit unintentionally.
This episode was fantastic, but also character driven. Seeing what Uhura experienced, but finding a way with a friend's help to find a solution. So many moving parts, plus Kirk dropping by, adding support. Another excellent episode.
Also Spock, Kirk, and Uhura having a chat, after a long day. The best
The Uhura and James Kirk dynamic in this episode just absolutely drove me
And Pike just absolutely wholeheartedly trusting his crew. Yes.
One thing this episode reminded me though was that from the pilot, I expected Sam to have more of a role throughout the show and I realized he's been much more of a background player. Here's hoping he gets more to do as the show goes on.
Weird coincidence: I have been in a mood lately to reread certain Star Trek TOS novels, such as The Wounded Sky and The Three Minute Universe. In fact, I grabbed my copy of TMU last night but started reading it after watching this episode. When I took it off the shelf, I didn't pay attention to the cover picture, but when I started to read it immediately after watching the episode I noticed that Uhura and Kirk were on the cover, and the story (which I hadn't read in a few years and forgot about) involves Uhura reliving a past tragedy involving her sister's death.
There was a lot to love here. Uhura's stuff was great and it's so nice to see Hemmer still being a presence for her. Also nice to see her start her friendship with Jim! And save the ship! Sam and Jim's brotherly conflict was also cool to see (Just their dynamic at all really.) Also I love Sam. He just keeps giving everything.
Loved that Spock and Kirk's meeting was downplayed.
Still wondering if they're going to do anything interesting with Spock and Chapel before they break up. Making so much of her stuff about him has hampered the storytelling there, I feel. It's just very uneven. We get so much on Spock and Chapel is... a capable officer who fancies him and we don't have much else so it makes them hard to root for, especially as almost all of their exchanges are about their relationship status.
Watching the episode is the best part of the day and watching your take after that is the next best part - especially where you narrate the episode. Thanks for making these videos.
"We're torturing these creatures to make our ship go!" - Equinox
"We need to stop harvesting this nebula to make our ship go!" - The Cloud
first ones that sprung to my mind!
This episode was about many things .One communication is that the Alien were trying to communicate thru imagery that they will being killed by the refinery. Uhura was seen images of death. Uhura was trying to avoid the feelings of sorrow because of her parents and Hemmer who she became very close to. Una also was avoid these feeling and acted badly toward Pelia who took Hemmer's place.The acting of Gooding was excellent and he meeting James Kirk who helped her in this episode to realize death is part of life and she had to come to grips with in .When Uhura did she realize that aliens were communicating with her .The story is to connected how James Kirk met Pike as a fleet Captain and Uhura and finally he met the most important person that became his friend Mr. Spock. I like it was a casual meeting with them because he took many years to develop a friendship between Kirk and Spock. I like that James and Sam had a very normal relationship and Sam was jealous that James career was on the fast track. Brothers can figure but they still lived as other So when Sam was killed years later James was very hurt All in all I liked this very much. I give it a grade of.B+
Scifi stories where humans have to learn to communicate with inimitable, incredibly Other beings and then helping/respecting them once their needs are understood hold a special place in my heart.
I also love Pelia's kindly Space Baba Yaga energy 😂
Do you know the group/song playing at the end? It's good small group background jazz. Loved the Saurian brandy bottle.
When Kirk said he'd contact the Farragut doctor, I thought it would be Bones.
"We're accidentally killing these invisible space aliens, and the abnormal phenomena we've been experiencing is just the aliens trying to communicate!" is pretty much Star Trek Plot Number A-5, but the character work made the episode memorable nonetheless.
The moments were small, but I feel like the Spirk people out there ate well with this episode. Spock and Chapel (who ARE in a... undefined relationship) playing chess but they don't quite click, while Kirk observes from the other side of the bar and proves himself a match for Spock's ability. Plus the way the way the camera significantly held on them when they finally met, sure, it's significant because its a huge piece of canon, but its also shot like they're setting up the first meeting of soulmates (t'hy'la forever)
(also, this Kirk finally makes me understand why everyone wants him so bad. He's an intellectual golden retriever with a +10 to Charisma)
Helpful review, thanks! Also, the usual phrase is an “oblique” reference
10:09 "Uh we kissed in another timeline... and I had your hotdog... quite literally." 😂
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There's a great character beat when a very attractive female crew member passes Kirk in a door way and he doesn't look up to ogle her because he's too engrossed in his work.
Great work in playing against Kirk's reputation as a rake.
Hope to see more of Sam & James together before the end of season.
Also nice work giving Chapel more of a direct voice in her relationship with Spock.
I think I actually enjoyed this episode most of the season so far. The plot was secondary to the actual story being told of loss and mourning and relationships and I loved how this episode built on all these connections made between different characters earlier in the season and the show as a whole. And how it subtly set up those relationships we already know very well. It was great!
@Jessie Gender After Dark Hello Jessie hunny, I really liked and enjoyed this episode with its character development and emotional tones. I agreed with everything you said about the episode, especially about Hemmer’s character being killed off in the first season. I think many fans really miss his character, so it was awesome to see him in this episode, which made me tear up.
I also found this episode to be quite emotional, which I felt explored the concept of unresolved, suppressed and complicated grief, playing on one’s subconscious. Celia Rose Gooding’s performance was exceptional in this episode and I was happy to see a focus on Uhura.
The conversation that Kirk had with Uhura regarding death was powerful and you could see the subtle hint of Shatners Kirk in Wesley’s acting. I was very interested to see the exploration of the sibling relationship between Sam and his brother as well.
I loved seeing Pelia again as she brings so much freshness and uniqueness to the show.
The one thing that seemed far fetched to me is how Pike took Uhura’s request to destroy the mining station at face value , without finding alternative way as Starfleet would have raised many questions.
And finally, the meeting of Spock and Kirk for the first time, with the camera zooming in on their handshake, made me shed a tear as well. Also, I could hang out in that Enterprise bar all day.
Uh... Nobody else found strange that Pike decided to blow a station only because Uhura told him she was certain? When the last thing he knew about her was that she was hallucinating?
In Star Trek 2009, when Kirk realizes the Narada is behind Vulcan's problems and runs to the bridge to warn it is an attack, Uhura is with him to confirm his assertions, and Spock supports her. Only then Pike orders to take precautions.
In this scene, the Kirks should have informed Pike of what was going on, and/or obtained some kind of scientific proof before running all together to the bridge and *demonstrated* the existence of the deuterium aliens. Speculation does not equal a established fact, even less in a *science*-fiction series.
It wasn't just Uhura but add in they lost control of the station. They couldn't shut it down due to all the damage. An out of control deutrumian processing station with tremendous out of damage. Blowing it up before things get worse sounds safer.what Uhura just added another reason. And they knew something trying communicate Uhura and Ramon
The problem with obtaining proof is that if Uhura was right then the station was actively killing the aliens right then. The longer they delay acting the more of them die.
Watching it later, I always seem to catch your reviews before I see the episode.
This one was pretty cool, & it's awesome seeing the classic dream team starting to come together.
Thank you for acknowledging the strike. It's not only the Writers and Actors but everyone in the industry who is not wealthy. Technical jobs, Art jobs, Admin jobs, we're all effected by the strike and greedy people who do not want to pay us what we are owed. Our work is real and vital and we put our entire lives into doing it the best we can. If you question the value of Art and its contribution to society as a whole, ask Mordin Solus for his opinion on the issue.
2:56 I'm glad i'm not the only one who didn't notice Is similar meetings In prime and kelvin
Thanks for another great review Jessie. Please bring back Nurse Chapel outfit. 🖖
Main issue I had with this ep was that I knew the answer to the “mystery” very early on.
This was mostly a character building episode and it that sense it did work.
Zombie Anear-Andodians!!! 🙄
And, your fine classic Nurse Chapel cosplay! 🩺
you mentioned you liked the mystery but weren't on the edge of your seat, and I wanted to say I absolutely was, probably more than I have been during a Star Trek episode in a long time. I didn't feel like it entirely fit normal Star Trek tropes for no reason I can articulate, so as such I genuinely felt like anything could happen. I also worked out the answer to the mystery literally seconds before Uhura did and genuinely flipped out when my theory was confirmed because I felt like everything fit so perfectly. it felt a little meandering at times but this is probably one of my favorite episodes of Star Trek in a while
"....had a hotdog from Kirk..." LMAO!!!!! THANKS for this (even this joke :) ) !!! Love, love, LOVE this standard "TNG" episode because of the amazing and historic character interaction. We see the evolution of the man who would later create a family and say to it in TOS, "risk is our business" and "We are not out here to survive." Carol Kane is clearly the Whoopi Goldberg of this five-year mission :) . This show has the potential to become the best 21st-century Trek show ever!!!!
I got the vibe of Jim is going to lose his brother, but he met his new brother, Spock.
I loved this episode to they missed out an easter egg at the end when Pike tells Uhura that he was going to contact Admiral Nagawa instead they should of used Admiral Nogura the admiral who gave Kirk the Enterprise which I thought he had lol
I was so concerned they were going to do some love triangle nonsense with Uhura and Kirk... Thank the Light. As a horror fan, I LOVED IT. Fav so far, how the hell do you keep [spoilers] it to yourself, it's like a cursed gift. At least it's out but now you need a disclaimer lol.
edit: I mean the screeners, and great job Jessie.
LOWER DECKS IS NEXT!!! I'M SO EXCITED!!!
Celia Rose Gooding, Jr, known for her famous "show me the money!" line.
Really liked this episode. Might not be my favourite, but it was entertaining, really came together well. I don't have a lot to say this week except that it was well shot, very well performed by Celia Rose Gooding (Paul Wesley and the rest were solid and Carol Kane's a treasure) and the episode tied up at around the right point. I'm a little cool on the Spock moments of the episode (I don't hate the talk with Chapel, I just...don't feel much of anything for it, and Spock joining Kirk & Uhura at the end just felt like unnecessary fanservice, but I don't begrudge that) and I'm mixed on the La'an moments (given she appears for maybe 3 or 4 minutes total, so she can run into Kirk twice, though well acted and kind of heartbreaking knowing her past).
They need to introduce Gary Mitchell to time line he is Kirk best friend before Spock
That last scene🥲
Sam Kirk's father is Sam Rockwell from Galaxy Quest.
I loved this episode, though it wasn't doing anything new it was doing it spectacularly well, in a way that relied entirely upon the cast's great performances.
I found it reminiscent of the DS9 pilot Emissary, and Sisko's interaction with the Prophets, learning to connect to a very alien viewpoint through the lens of confronting his own trauma, which is very much peak Trek.
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But also THANK YOU FOR THAT DISCLAIMER. THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING UNIONS. also I love you and everything you do
I really liked the episode. Hoping I will get to watch the remaining episodes, as my situation is still very bad. -- I began guessing the sound was slowed or modified audio somewhere in there, because I've heard slowed and modified audio before in voice recordings. -- Good char development, god Star Trek plot, but how do the two starships move after dumping their deuterium? Lt. Jim Kirk and now Fleet Capt. Pike, this seemed like a good way to involve them, although -- in TOS, I still think the Federation had had only limited contact with the Corn by the Arena episode. I would nee d to rewatch. But I think. I am OK seeing SNW as in its own timeline or canon, not the same as the original. Overall, liking this ep a lot, liking how the characters are coming along for the most part. Having so many characters to juggle, though, tends to leave little time for everyone to have much. I'm too tired for any more in-depth comment. Thanks for Jessies's review.
they confirmed it's different timeline when they said Khan was supposed to happen in 1992. but still WAY more in line with TOS than the JJ films