Love this one! Though I *am* a bit biased, ha. Seriously, great cinematography, editing, and grading - was a blast putting this together with you chaps!
It's ace stuff - can't believe I managed to mess up the metering on my first roll of it but *so* impressed with how well it turned out in spite of me, ha! I've given away a few rolls already, keep running into people who are desperate to shoot it :) Will be shooting a lot more of it now, thanks for putting it out into the world!
The aesthetic in your guys's videos is just so pleasing ahahah, love everything from the cinematography to the editing and design (and of course the topic!), fastly becoming my favorite channel! x
hi guys i love NegativeFeedback, george you said about the first time you shoot delta 3200 @ 3200 and how wow it was the same for me , perhaps you can compare it shoot @ 3200 vs @1600 or @1200 ???? @ 800 would be to much, your subscribers and the photographic community need to know how GREAT this film is , love the channel guys , regards Tom Leadbitter ps just loaded a roll @ 1600, sweet
what if you are using an external light meter due to a non-functional light meter in the camera itself? would you then meter to the box rate or the desired iso?
Honestly, this is one of the best photo channels on youtube, it just has originality and such an entertaining way of conveying the info across. Keep it up guys!
Great video. Ilford HP5 is one of my favorite films. It has a lot of latitude in pushing/pulling/development. As far as the unexpected results at 1600 vs 3200 ISO, there are a few variables that need to be considered. In these comparison tests it may help to use the same camera, same photographer, same location/subject, same (or similar) exposure settings, same dev process, etc. With so many variables it's hard to say, and like Dan said at the end, that he didn't know his camera well and thus who knows what exposure settings were actually used. Cheers!
The exposure issue on the Leicaflex SL was only on the Street Pan (I realised something was amiss before finishing that roll). So the HP5+ was shot and metered correctly based on the camera's meter (and knowing what works/doesn't - which also saved most of the shots on the mis-metered roll as I never *entirely* trust an in-camera meter, and have been shooting Sunny 16 for nearly a decade anyway). The day after we filmed the episode, I ran a fresh roll through the Leicaflex SL shooting exactly what the meter measured, to test its accuracy, and the resulting exposures were exactly as they should have been (I didn't have time before we filmed the episode, as I'd literally just bought the lens as we started filming). So, with a potential metering issue out of the picture: both rolls were bought at the same time, stored next to each other, removed from the fridge at the same time, shot in the same light and developed/scanned by the same lab. Even the folks at Bayeux said it's probably just down to the inconsistencies of film… :)
Maybe, the HP5 on ISO 3200 was developed more gently, than the roll shot at ISO 1600. I heared, the more the film is moved in the developer the grain increases.
love your stuff guys, beats, great subject, relaxing as anything. I always save these videos for when i want to relax and really unwind from a busy day shooting! love it heaps!
soooo if im getting it right if you push 400 iso to 500 iso it gets a little underexposed ? do you develop it as if it's 400 or 500 ? im still new at the technical side of photography n im just trying to understand this so i can use it !
photos are always cool but I've never been into photography as a thing until now. it's incredible, the feel these videos give. all the not so beginner aspects which you guys talk about, I don't get bored at all. which I'm sure I would be if I was to be learning about all of this through, say, articles or books. ofcourse, the pictures you guys take look great.
This may seem like such a minimal thing but I absolutely love the soundtrack on your videos! Very chill and calming and gives them a cohesive feel especially when you guys are out and about.
Great episode, its why I love this channel. I always learn something and Dan was a very cool guest who brought a lot of interesting insight. Hope to see him again sometime. Keep up the good work!
These shots are absolutely incredible, especially the night shots. Honestly was speechless for them. Love this channel for showing the power of creativity and film
So I must be misreading the rate of exchange, I looked up this film on the JCH website, this film (3 rolls) lists for 2635 Yuan, recalculated to US comes out to $394.97....... this film must be incredible!
The lab developed each roll according to the number of stops pushed - pushing just means you're treating the film in all ways (metering and developing) as if it were a higher ISO than rated.
Dan Rubin did you guys shoot each roll at a different iso setting and have it developed at box speed ? Or was each roll shot at the same iso setting and it was developed at that?
I totally agree that the underexposed at 500 were really cool... I'm going to have to find some JCH and give it a try. And HP5+, what an amazing film eh? There's an article at emulsive.org where they experiment all the way to 25600. Thanks again guys!
Excellent video as always. Sorry to see the weather has changed from the typical English summer into autumn. The videos taken in summer really made me want to visit the uk again. Love those English summers.
sorry to bother you, but I am a little bit doubtfull regarding your pushing and pulling..with test like this you should always use spotmeter. Did you use it? My other question is about your developing time? how did you adjust it? thank you! best regards, lukas (printer)
You can actually push HP5 even further! emulsive.org/articles/black-and-white-high-ei-shootout-part-2-ei-25600 This link show how it has been pushed up to 25600 ISO. Still haven't tried myself, but will soon. Hope it can be a useful information for you - and not some random nonsense.
Awesome work you guys are doing. Maybe you should try another lab or something because that hp5 looks too grainy even for 1600 or 3200. Do you guys know what developer they use in the lab? I've used xtol and tmax Dev for hp5 and never got that much grain.
Very nice contrasy results. Do you think it's the way your lab develops your film that makes the shots lack 'flat grays'? I've seen a lot of black and white stuff come back from developing very grayish and bland.
Great job as always! When will you guys do some behind the scenes of your process of developing/scanning your film? Dan was a great addition! Keep it up!
Jonathan Abramovich George and I talked about this, I think it would be great for him to do an episode showing how Bayeux works behind the scenes (the lab he uses), maybe comparing it to developing and scanning at home.
Interesting comparisons and loved seeing London; however, I think it would be helpful to have some images on the screen instead of you both chatting at each other and the camera. It started to lose interest for me because I kept trying to visualize the images about which you were speaking.
It was banal and boring, even for test! Anyway, dude with beard got more atistic eye.
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Thank you for all your videos, I learn a lot ! I've started B&W film for a month now, and I love it. I feel like a child because I've so much to learn, compare to digital photography, and it's funny and super exciting 😄 good job !!
Cool stuff, but I think it is misleading to start a video on pushing film by shooting some film without pushing it. Overexposing 400 film (shooting it at 200) and underexposing 400 film (shooting it at 500) is not pushing film.
been watching your channel for awhile and I just noticed now that you're left eye dominant. great video as always. i wish i can shoot as much as you guys do, keep up the great work!
You two and a guy called Steve O'Nions (Landscape photographer with a fairly new channel) have inspired me to go out and buy a SLR and to shoot some black and white. I've got a Canon EOS 5 off eBay as it's the close to modern day digital, but in time I'm hoping to get more of a classic. However I have heck of a lot to learn, but thank you for your videos and your photos are amazing.
I realize this was posted 2 years ago but hope you still respond to more recent comments/questions...? I'm curious about the JCH Street Pan you shot at 200 ASA. When developing was it pushed...or was it developed at box speed so that each exposure was essentially overexposed one stop? I love the way it turned out and have just loaded my first roll of this film.
Sean Madison don't lose hope. An 'M' can be obtainable if you are patient, the M2, M5, M4-2 and M4-p are the cheapest and easiest to find. If you are willing to persevere with the small viewfinder/ rangefinder windows a screw mount Leica is cheaper still. They are tiny compared to the 'M' cameras and they feel beautiful when you release the shutter. Even more precise and we'll engineered than their younger brethren. I bought an M2 for the sake of practicality but having handled a Leica iiib I know that I need to own one eventually. I'm keeping my eye on eBay lol.
What's the backstory on this JCH film? I'd guess it is rebadged stuff from Eastern Europe, but what? Would love to get some to support Bellamy regardless. I hope he does 120
Found the answer on JCH: "an old discontinued surveillance film that was original made by AGFA, and have it put back into production. And thus JCH StreetPan was born!" Great video. Keep em coming
Canon AF35ML, Minolta Hi Matic AF2 or Leica Mini? I want something that has a good depth of field and the focus must be sharp! Which film camera should i get? Thank you!
I'm impressed with the results of JCH when shot at 200. Until now I have seen examples of it shot at box speed and it has always looked a bit too dark with little shadow detail. Shot at 200 you have shown some lovely examples and I think that I would now like to shoot some myself. Did you pull process when developing or just develop as normal?
Thanks for featuring the jch film. I just bought a roll and I'm excited to shoot it!I was told that if I put a red filter over the lens it would create a unique effect with the sky and the shadows of people. It'll be interesting to see how the shots turn out with the red filter compared to yours without
I've never studied photography! I find the best way to learn something creative is by practicing, I do watch a fair amount of interviews and lectures on youtube though
been binge watching all of your videos recently, one of the best photography channels on youtube right now holy moly. keep up the ridiculously good content my dudes
Love this one! Though I *am* a bit biased, ha. Seriously, great cinematography, editing, and grading - was a blast putting this together with you chaps!
Dan, any more insight on mysterious integrity in those 3200 frames?
None yet, I'm afraid - Bayeux was as mystified as we were...
That dark blue denim shirt is sharp, what brand is that?
@danrubin
, what blue button down shirt are you wearing? Looks dope on you man!
Thanks for featuring the StreetPan, glad you like it.
It's ace stuff - can't believe I managed to mess up the metering on my first roll of it but *so* impressed with how well it turned out in spite of me, ha! I've given away a few rolls already, keep running into people who are desperate to shoot it :) Will be shooting a lot more of it now, thanks for putting it out into the world!
Great as always. I am myself going to push some HP5 in the near future, and seeing this makes it even harder to wait for it!
Finally a photography channel that doesn't look like an underbudget website
in love with these videos, keep rollin
The aesthetic in your guys's videos is just so pleasing ahahah, love everything from the cinematography to the editing and design (and of course the topic!), fastly becoming my favorite channel! x
Just found the channel and loving it! The colour grade on this video is lush!
Looking forward to the next episode with Dan taking it and making it big style!
hi guys i love NegativeFeedback, george you said about the first time you shoot delta 3200 @ 3200 and how wow it was the same for me , perhaps you can compare it shoot @ 3200 vs @1600 or @1200 ???? @ 800 would be to much, your subscribers and the photographic community need to know how GREAT this film is , love the channel guys , regards Tom Leadbitter ps just loaded a roll @ 1600, sweet
God I love your channel. ❤️
Amazing video! And Louis is soo cool and great with the cinematography
yessss. Shout out to louis
u guys are lovely ❤️
Hi George, with all those pushing and pulling, did you just follow the light meter reading on the M6 as the camera reads it?
I did! As long as you change the iso on the camera to what you want to push it to it works great
Thanks!
what if you are using an external light meter due to a non-functional light meter in the camera itself? would you then meter to the box rate or the desired iso?
Desired ISO, so that you're underexposing (then will make up for it in processing)
nah but srsly, love the Dan+George combo, sick stuff!
Damn, makes me wanna shoot more black and white film! Huge inspiration.
Awesome! Thank you, you definitely should go shoot some
Honestly, this is one of the best photo channels on youtube, it just has originality and such an entertaining way of conveying the info across. Keep it up guys!
Great video. Ilford HP5 is one of my favorite films. It has a lot of latitude in pushing/pulling/development.
As far as the unexpected results at 1600 vs 3200 ISO, there are a few variables that need to be considered. In these comparison tests it may help to use the same camera, same photographer, same location/subject, same (or similar) exposure settings, same dev process, etc. With so many variables it's hard to say, and like Dan said at the end, that he didn't know his camera well and thus who knows what exposure settings were actually used. Cheers!
The exposure issue on the Leicaflex SL was only on the Street Pan (I realised something was amiss before finishing that roll). So the HP5+ was shot and metered correctly based on the camera's meter (and knowing what works/doesn't - which also saved most of the shots on the mis-metered roll as I never *entirely* trust an in-camera meter, and have been shooting Sunny 16 for nearly a decade anyway).
The day after we filmed the episode, I ran a fresh roll through the Leicaflex SL shooting exactly what the meter measured, to test its accuracy, and the resulting exposures were exactly as they should have been (I didn't have time before we filmed the episode, as I'd literally just bought the lens as we started filming).
So, with a potential metering issue out of the picture: both rolls were bought at the same time, stored next to each other, removed from the fridge at the same time, shot in the same light and developed/scanned by the same lab. Even the folks at Bayeux said it's probably just down to the inconsistencies of film… :)
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Maybe, the HP5 on ISO 3200 was developed more gently, than the roll shot at ISO 1600. I heared, the more the film is moved in the developer the grain increases.
Easily my favourite episode. Please do more night-time photography!
yes!
its lit
Really liked how the night shots turned out.
love your stuff guys, beats, great subject, relaxing as anything. I always save these videos for when i want to relax and really unwind from a busy day shooting! love it heaps!
Totally agree.
soooo if im getting it right if you push 400 iso to 500 iso it gets a little underexposed ? do you develop it as if it's 400 or 500 ? im still new at the technical side of photography n im just trying to understand this so i can use it !
felix mostert pretty sure you tell the lab to push it by one stop? I think lol
photos are always cool but I've never been into photography as a thing until now. it's incredible, the feel these videos give. all the not so beginner aspects which you guys talk about, I don't get bored at all. which I'm sure I would be if I was to be learning about all of this through, say, articles or books. ofcourse, the pictures you guys take look great.
This may seem like such a minimal thing but I absolutely love the soundtrack on your videos! Very chill and calming and gives them a cohesive feel especially when you guys are out and about.
Great episode, its why I love this channel. I always learn something and Dan was a very cool guest who brought a lot of interesting insight. Hope to see him again sometime. Keep up the good work!
These shots are absolutely incredible, especially the night shots. Honestly was speechless for them. Love this channel for showing the power of creativity and film
I only ever shoot HP5 at 3200
why?
So I must be misreading the rate of exchange, I looked up this film on the JCH website, this film (3 rolls) lists for 2635 Yuan, recalculated to US comes out to $394.97....... this film must be incredible!
Awesome!! When Pushing the hp5, did you have it developed normally?
They'd have to tell the lab they've pushed the film, otherwise it would be too dark.
The lab developed each roll according to the number of stops pushed - pushing just means you're treating the film in all ways (metering and developing) as if it were a higher ISO than rated.
Thanks guys!
Dan Rubin did you guys shoot each roll at a different iso setting and have it developed at box speed ? Or was each roll shot at the same iso setting and it was developed at that?
Did you guys shoot JCL 400 the whole time?
Your videos are always the best!! 😱😍 I love how it was well made. 😊😄
Thank you so much! very kind
Quickly becoming my favourite youtube channel. I'm new to film and I'm always hungry for more of these great vids. Keep up the good work :)
Awesome! Thank you
I totally agree that the underexposed at 500 were really cool... I'm going to have to find some JCH and give it a try. And HP5+, what an amazing film eh? There's an article at emulsive.org where they experiment all the way to 25600. Thanks again guys!
You should do a video talking about your tattoos
Another amazing video, keep it up
Thank you!
This is great. My next roll of HP5 is going to be shot at 3200...at night. You've given me the confidence to push it. Thanks.
Excellent video as always. Sorry to see the weather has changed from the typical English summer into autumn. The videos taken in summer really made me want to visit the uk again. Love those English summers.
I love your content, guys! I'm so glad Matt Day let me know about your channel.
Great episode! Im glad you guys brought up the hp5 grain at 1600. Thought my eyes were deceiving me! Great! Just ordered some JCH!
sorry to bother you, but I am a little bit doubtfull regarding your pushing and pulling..with test like this you should always use spotmeter. Did you use it? My other question is about your developing time? how did you adjust it? thank you! best regards, lukas (printer)
great episode, love the HP5 portraits on Oxford street
HP5 looks amazing even at 3200. Wonder what speed/aperture it was during the night-time shots.
The photo at 3:44 is just so beautiful. The shading and soft look is just on point. Loved this photo session and comparison. Thanks for that!
You can actually push HP5 even further! emulsive.org/articles/black-and-white-high-ei-shootout-part-2-ei-25600 This link show how it has been pushed up to 25600 ISO. Still haven't tried myself, but will soon. Hope it can be a useful information for you - and not some random nonsense.
Awesome work you guys are doing. Maybe you should try another lab or something because that hp5 looks too grainy even for 1600 or 3200. Do you guys know what developer they use in the lab? I've used xtol and tmax Dev for hp5 and never got that much grain.
Very nice contrasy results. Do you think it's the way your lab develops your film that makes the shots lack 'flat grays'? I've seen a lot of black and white stuff come back from developing very grayish and bland.
what a great channel for photogrpahy, keep up the great work
Hanging on to Dans every word because he is a very experienced photographer NOT because he looks like Guy Pierce. That's just a plus.
Great job as always! When will you guys do some behind the scenes of your process of developing/scanning your film? Dan was a great addition! Keep it up!
Jonathan Abramovich George and I talked about this, I think it would be great for him to do an episode showing how Bayeux works behind the scenes (the lab he uses), maybe comparing it to developing and scanning at home.
Interesting comparisons and loved seeing London; however, I think it would be helpful to have some images on the screen instead of you both chatting at each other and the camera. It started to lose interest for me because I kept trying to visualize the images about which you were speaking.
what´s the name of the first song? fcking awesome!
What is the meaning of "push black and white, ?
Hi im new to shooting film. Why is their photos looks stable at night? They didnt even use tripod. Is it because of the type of film?
exactly what i was searching for the last couple of days. thank you!
Your channel has seriously gotten be back into film photography instead of digital! Thank you!
It was banal and boring, even for test! Anyway, dude with beard got more atistic eye.
Thank you for all your videos, I learn a lot ! I've started B&W film for a month now, and I love it. I feel like a child because I've so much to learn, compare to digital photography, and it's funny and super exciting 😄 good job !!
Can anyone else feel the "chemistry" between Dan and George? from another video as well.
currently have a black and white film on my cheap thrift store pocket camera.
Cool stuff, but I think it is misleading to start a video on pushing film by shooting some film without pushing it. Overexposing 400 film (shooting it at 200) and underexposing 400 film (shooting it at 500) is not pushing film.
That out of the way, your results pushing HP5 were very impressive. Need to do this on my next roll of HP5 in my Bronica.
Rediscover Film ... I definitely got confused on what pushing film is....
I thought you guys might be a bit full of shit with that shutter. But no, that is unbelievably satisfying.
n anyone tell me where i can find those statues at around 2.3o mark? , would love too shot them
You all are amazing photographers. The photos are ridiculous
been watching your channel for awhile and I just noticed now that you're left eye dominant. great video as always. i wish i can shoot as much as you guys do, keep up the great work!
What about some new digital lenses (like really new, Sigma Art series or something) mounted on an analog SLR?
You two and a guy called Steve O'Nions (Landscape photographer with a fairly new channel) have inspired me to go out and buy a SLR and to shoot some black and white. I've got a Canon EOS 5 off eBay as it's the close to modern day digital, but in time I'm hoping to get more of a classic. However I have heck of a lot to learn, but thank you for your videos and your photos are amazing.
Cool video. Really enjoying this series. 3200 looked so nice.
I realize this was posted 2 years ago but hope you still respond to more recent comments/questions...? I'm curious about the JCH Street Pan you shot at 200 ASA. When developing was it pushed...or was it developed at box speed so that each exposure was essentially overexposed one stop? I love the way it turned out and have just loaded my first roll of this film.
Do a review of the leicaflex seems like the only Leica ill be able to afford for a while!!!!!!!!
Sean Madison don't lose hope. An 'M' can be obtainable if you are patient, the M2, M5, M4-2 and M4-p are the cheapest and easiest to find. If you are willing to persevere with the small viewfinder/ rangefinder windows a screw mount Leica is cheaper still. They are tiny compared to the 'M' cameras and they feel beautiful when you release the shutter. Even more precise and we'll engineered than their younger brethren. I bought an M2 for the sake of practicality but having handled a Leica iiib I know that I need to own one eventually. I'm keeping my eye on eBay lol.
What's the backstory on this JCH film? I'd guess it is rebadged stuff from Eastern Europe, but what? Would love to get some to support Bellamy regardless. I hope he does 120
Found the answer on JCH: "an old discontinued surveillance film that was original made by AGFA, and have it put back into production. And thus JCH StreetPan was born!" Great video. Keep em coming
did anyone else see the woman at 5:30 make a face into georges camera when she walked in the shot
Canon AF35ML, Minolta Hi Matic AF2 or Leica Mini?
I want something that has a good depth of field and the focus must be sharp!
Which film camera should i get? Thank you!
Great pics and awesome music to accompany. Just getting back into film and will be trying this with Ilford XP2 Super 400. Thanks.
Hi George, with JCH 400 rate @200, did you just overexpose the film or you pulling it instead? Looking forward to hearing from you
I'm impressed with the results of JCH when shot at 200. Until now I have seen examples of it shot at box speed and it has always looked a bit too dark with little shadow detail. Shot at 200 you have shown some lovely examples and I think that I would now like to shoot some myself. Did you pull process when developing or just develop as normal?
Thanks for featuring the jch film. I just bought a roll and I'm excited to shoot it!I was told that if I put a red filter over the lens it would create a unique effect with the sky and the shadows of people. It'll be interesting to see how the shots turn out with the red filter compared to yours without
Where did you buy a roll from
Crimx from a camera shop a few blocks away from where i live! they're the only store in the us to carry it
Ugh... I hate my living grounds , I found it though, I am assuming you live in Oregon ?
Where did you study photography? Or are you self taught. I am looking to do more film pictures on the streets. Insta @lens_flair123
I've never studied photography! I find the best way to learn something creative is by practicing, I do watch a fair amount of interviews and lectures on youtube though
Do you develop the photos at home? if yes, is it hard? I live in Melbourne, Australia and it's extremely hard to find a place that develops photos :(
Emy Nguyen look up Hillvale. They're in Brunswick and they develop film.
You guys were shooting in one of my absolute favourite parts of London to shoot in, a place I discovered entirely by accident. Lovely work guys!
The JCH at 500 is very smooth, can you purchase this in the UK ?.
what kind of gimbal is louie using?
Hi! what's the name of the stabilizer Louis used? really want one :( Also, lovely video! so aesthetically pleasing
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been binge watching all of your videos recently, one of the best photography channels on youtube right now holy moly. keep up the ridiculously good content my dudes
Great video
You make me want to shoot films instead of digital , specially because i go to raves, parties and i want to be a fashion photography
Love the grading on the video. Do you use any LUTs, or its all done by the fingernail (i mean manually)
The quality of all your videos is amazing! I enjoy photography and you guys are the best inspiration
please do a photo exhibitions displaying all your b&w film!!! they look SO good.
I love the look of the grain on the night shots. I'm definitely going to be trying night photography with film. Thanks for the inspo.
Great video! Really interesting and informative.
It would be better if you had side by side of the same shots to where you can actually see the comparison.
Do you alter developing after in any way?
Amazing content! I love your videos and can't wait to see future productions
dayummm those shots are fantastic. congrats guys!
Thank you!
when you shot at 3200. How did you meter? I always fail to meter at night..
I just went with what the inbuilt meter was saying!
oh.. nice, thank you :)
I look forward to your videos every week. Thanks for this channel George.
Dan nailed it at 1:28. Videos are pretty good but the actual photos taken are pretty average.
Leicaflex got nothing on M6 with Zeiss and B&W holyshit
Watching this one indoors made me feel proper cosy