I remember hearing Pat Mac saying that they can fire you at any time for anything. He was saying that one guy "turned himself in" after having a negligent discharge while training by himself. He got suspended for 6 months.
That's crazy!!! Eric L Haney once said 3 things guarantee an exit from the unit- laying hands on a Unit member, accidental discharge of a weapon, or hitting a hostage. I am willing to bet they handled this internally, and the guys that went in the room with him probably clocked his mistake as well. If not, shame on that CAG troop, they suppose to be benchmark of excellence, especially in CQB. Good on the JTF assaulter for owning it.
Also, love the cross training stories. Keep them up. Love to hear about you guys training with Delta, Seals, SAS, GROM, etc....Can't get enough of those stories. lol
Much respect for owning the mistake. That’s why we train is to get our mistakes out there before we move on to a real world scenario. People need to stop looking at training mistakes as a loss but a chance to learn. Ya don’t lose, ya learn
Wow. Someone should have called him out in debrief. That sort of thing should not be tolerated. This is supposed to be an echelon of extremely high standards, and that doesn’t stop at hard skills like CQB, it just as much includes the soft ones like integrity, honesty, and humility. Don’t encourage that type of behaviour by letting it go unchecked. You want the opposite of that type of conduct in a SOF org.
I guarantee that would have been dealt with internally afterwards. If I see you screw up in training I probably am not going to call you out in front of an allied unit but we are going to have a conversation about it afterwards. The Unit is notorious for "one strike and you're out" when it is a big strike. "Every day is selection" is one of their internal sayings.
@@ffryan I’d hope so, but we don’t know if his other teammates saw him do it. And if he made an effort to hide that mistake, he probably covers his other mistakes.
Great story, love hearing about working with other units. Do you have any opinions or stories about US Army ISA or JTFX? Neither one of them every get much attention so it would be really interesting to hear your opinion on them!!
The Delta guy tore the target down because when they mess up tearing it down is a "awww I fucked up big time". His team mates 100% handled it internally. I forget where I heard/read it but Delta is very very strict on the no kill targets. For obvious reasons, but for not so obvious is they often train with real people as hostages with live fire. This mess up means someone from another squad could have been hit if it were a live target training scenario. He wasnt blowing it off. His team didnt want to let anyone see how they took care of it.
When we did a call or trained we always owned our mistakes. Couple of guys tried hiding their mistakes and it didn't go too well. We are all alpha our teams, so no one is timid about bringing things up and calling people out. It's not about embarrassing that person, it's about integrity and learning from our own mistakes and the mistakes of your team mates. But, I get why you guys did not call him out. You guys knew and that is enough. They have to worry about that when they go back home. It's their problem. Keep the peace, train together and learn from one another. Professional.
I'd be curious to know how they reacted to your debrief. What reaction did they have overall (e.g., cool. Quality organization that takes accountability and is constantly learning and improving), and did you get any individual feedback / reaction from the Delta operators?
Definitely NOT good for the Delta guy. Brings into question of what else he wasn't candid about? Any lack of candor is not good in that type of business. Morality and ethics are hugely important.
@alainrouleau When you leave the military and join Corporations....Lie, Cheat, and Steal to the best of your ability. Makes for easier transitions. Or else you will make 50k a year which is like 19k in 1993. Corporations are harsh if you know what I mean.
my friend, that is a microcosm on the difference between canadian high-performers and american high-performers im sure you see yourself in those guys as fellow anglo-saxons but who they are and who you are as a canadian are worlds apart.
You acknowledge and learned from your mistake, while that delta guy doesn't care about learning from his mistakes. I rather you save me in a hostage rescue than that delta dude, he probably shoot the hostages. I think you and I would get along. If i could go back in time i try to get a desk job within JTF2, I couldn't ever be an operator even know i wish i could have been. I was told at the recruiting center in 2003, i not medically able to work in any combat and related support jobs. If there a job in JTF2 i wont be doing combat training nor being deployed, i be working 9 to 5 on a computer if such a job exists that what i do. Atlest i could be friends with the operators.
Former 3rd batt here who worked with delta quite a bit 2006 - 2008. I promise you they dealt with this internally. It’s just the culture over there. They don’t let anything slide. That being said - they are cqc wizards. I’ve never seen anything like it. I wish people could see just how fast they move through a target, all shoot targets A box shots or head shots.
There's a reason why these guys are always breaking the longest kill shot. They're not even close to being in the fight. After you got done crying in the corner you should've saluted that delta force member and thanked him for his service.
I'm throwing the bullshit flag. That shit wouldn't be tolerated in Ranger Regiment (where I served). We have nothing if not our integrity, especially in the hot wash. You're expected to own your mistakes, they don't get "handled internally" just because you're with a partner force. If that kind of amatuer bullshit won't fly in a relatively large SOF unit like the Rangers, where E-3s make mistakes all day long, it sure as fuck doesn't fly in The Unit. Maple Syrup boy is full of shit.
It has been rumored that over the years , a dude in CAG might take one for the team and shoot a friendly on purpose or few just to make the guests think they are not as good as they really are........ Rumor of course.... CAG is the absolute best at CQB..... by a measurable margin.... But dont tell Devgru or Marsocs new crew....they might get grumpy with you.... Semper Fi
@@cwwcww7465 Thats what US propaganda says anyway. "Our mistakes are on purpose to not make allies feel bad"... Complete bullshit lmao Also It's impossible to know what CAG is or isn't the best at, what are you talking about saying "by a measurable margin" when no one in the unit itself is even measuring? Skill varies between squadrons, teams and individuals and it's a long shot to say their better than JTF2 or the SAS, SASR etc when those units have such a heavy emphasis on CQB
@@cron1165 what am I talking about??? Measurable margin? Really? All others , except for 1 other, in the US, currently, measures themselves against CAG.... They are the absolute laser sharpened tip of the spear. Especially, in CQB and land based HRST.... And besides, Chuck Norris chose CAG....how can you argue with that...? DEVGRU under RM, was at that level once...they have lost a step.....compared to CAG....Especially, in CQB. Keep your eye on MARSOC....they have one cooking... Semper Fi......
Maybe he mag dumped the Dove because he was trolling you...and also...trying to teach you to not talk and TALK about Doves.... I.E. If Canadian Peacekeepers are tryi g to stabilize and area.... And you have Delta training Croats on how to possibly Dove...then that could be a conflict at the U.N. Never talk about Doves. Thats my take. Im probably wrong.
I remember hearing Pat Mac saying that they can fire you at any time for anything. He was saying that one guy "turned himself in" after having a negligent discharge while training by himself. He got suspended for 6 months.
You always get more respect when owning a mistake. We all make them. Own it, learn from it, carry on.
That's crazy!!! Eric L Haney once said 3 things guarantee an exit from the unit- laying hands on a Unit member, accidental discharge of a weapon, or hitting a hostage. I am willing to bet they handled this internally, and the guys that went in the room with him probably clocked his mistake as well. If not, shame on that CAG troop, they suppose to be benchmark of excellence, especially in CQB. Good on the JTF assaulter for owning it.
Lmao you are naive if you think they “owned it internally. Delusional.
@RAPEDBYBLACKS You need to elaborate, mate. I lack the IQ you have. Care to explain what do you mean?
Also, love the cross training stories. Keep them up. Love to hear about you guys training with Delta, Seals, SAS, GROM, etc....Can't get enough of those stories. lol
Always cool to hear about JTF2's partnership with foreign units
Integrity. Good stuff man.
This is why AARs will continue and we strive to always improve
Much respect for owning the mistake. That’s why we train is to get our mistakes out there before we move on to a real world scenario. People need to stop looking at training mistakes as a loss but a chance to learn. Ya don’t lose, ya learn
You know this will be another great one!
Wow. Someone should have called him out in debrief. That sort of thing should not be tolerated. This is supposed to be an echelon of extremely high standards, and that doesn’t stop at hard skills like CQB, it just as much includes the soft ones like integrity, honesty, and humility. Don’t encourage that type of behaviour by letting it go unchecked. You want the opposite of that type of conduct in a SOF org.
I guarantee that would have been dealt with internally afterwards. If I see you screw up in training I probably am not going to call you out in front of an allied unit but we are going to have a conversation about it afterwards. The Unit is notorious for "one strike and you're out" when it is a big strike. "Every day is selection" is one of their internal sayings.
@@ffryan I’d hope so, but we don’t know if his other teammates saw him do it. And if he made an effort to hide that mistake, he probably covers his other mistakes.
Ya gay bud?
Shut up
It seemed that you haven't experienced what your preaching
Great story, love hearing about working with other units. Do you have any opinions or stories about US Army ISA or JTFX? Neither one of them every get much attention so it would be really interesting to hear your opinion on them!!
Nice to hear a story of delta and others not being perfect all the time. It happens you know
The Delta guy tore the target down because when they mess up tearing it down is a "awww I fucked up big time".
His team mates 100% handled it internally. I forget where I heard/read it but Delta is very very strict on the no kill targets. For obvious reasons, but for not so obvious is they often train with real people as hostages with live fire. This mess up means someone from another squad could have been hit if it were a live target training scenario.
He wasnt blowing it off. His team didnt want to let anyone see how they took care of it.
Our heads next to a 3X5 index card. Talk about ass pucker.
When we did a call or trained we always owned our mistakes. Couple of guys tried hiding their mistakes and it didn't go too well. We are all alpha our teams, so no one is timid about bringing things up and calling people out. It's not about embarrassing that person, it's about integrity and learning from our own mistakes and the mistakes of your team mates. But, I get why you guys did not call him out. You guys knew and that is enough. They have to worry about that when they go back home. It's their problem. Keep the peace, train together and learn from one another. Professional.
I'd be curious to know how they reacted to your debrief. What reaction did they have overall (e.g., cool. Quality organization that takes accountability and is constantly learning and improving), and did you get any individual feedback / reaction from the Delta operators?
Definitely NOT good for the Delta guy. Brings into question of what else he wasn't candid about?
Any lack of candor is not good in that type of business. Morality and ethics are hugely important.
@alainrouleau
When you leave the military and join Corporations....Lie, Cheat, and Steal to the best of your ability.
Makes for easier transitions.
Or else you will make 50k a year which is like 19k in 1993.
Corporations are harsh if you know what I mean.
You are an honest dude, nice work. Have you ever worked with FBI HRT or seals?
At every workplace, there are arrogant people, lol
Whats the difference between jtf2 and csor? Also, will the canadian airborne regiment ever come back? Does canada have marines?
So nothing ever came of it?
Love delta forice
You should have called him out. Instead of making a video about it.....
Hello sir can i pls know what kind of boots you have? Or you have used and recommend? It would help a lot
What for? You guys think everything is so special and you need it to go to a public range.
I wore addias forum bball shoes.
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my friend, that is a microcosm on the difference between canadian high-performers and american high-performers
im sure you see yourself in those guys as fellow anglo-saxons but who they are and who you are as a canadian are worlds apart.
What tier 1 unit are you a member of?
@@jonahm2956 the same tier one unit Jesus is apart of.
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You acknowledge and learned from your mistake, while that delta guy doesn't care about learning from his mistakes. I rather you save me in a hostage rescue than that delta dude, he probably shoot the hostages. I think you and I would get along. If i could go back in time i try to get a desk job within JTF2, I couldn't ever be an operator even know i wish i could have been. I was told at the recruiting center in 2003, i not medically able to work in any combat and related support jobs. If there a job in JTF2 i wont be doing combat training nor being deployed, i be working 9 to 5 on a computer if such a job exists that what i do. Atlest i could be friends with the operators.
Former 3rd batt here who worked with delta quite a bit 2006 - 2008. I promise you they dealt with this internally. It’s just the culture over there. They don’t let anything slide. That being said - they are cqc wizards. I’ve never seen anything like it. I wish people could see just how fast they move through a target, all shoot targets A box shots or head shots.
@@Bravefit my only CQB experience is paintball, OG counter strike and call of duty
There's a reason why these guys are always breaking the longest kill shot. They're not even close to being in the fight. After you got done crying in the corner you should've saluted that delta force member and thanked him for his service.
cry harder.
Only a JTF2 or Air Force would screw up the name Delta Force👨❤️👨
I'm throwing the bullshit flag. That shit wouldn't be tolerated in Ranger Regiment (where I served). We have nothing if not our integrity, especially in the hot wash. You're expected to own your mistakes, they don't get "handled internally" just because you're with a partner force. If that kind of amatuer bullshit won't fly in a relatively large SOF unit like the Rangers, where E-3s make mistakes all day long, it sure as fuck doesn't fly in The Unit.
Maple Syrup boy is full of shit.
It has been rumored that over the years , a dude in CAG might take one for the team and shoot a friendly on purpose or few just to make the guests think they are not as good as they really are........
Rumor of course....
CAG is the absolute best at CQB..... by a measurable margin....
But dont tell Devgru or Marsocs new crew....they might get grumpy with you....
Semper Fi
@@cwwcww7465 Thats what US propaganda says anyway. "Our mistakes are on purpose to not make allies feel bad"... Complete bullshit lmao
Also It's impossible to know what CAG is or isn't the best at, what are you talking about saying "by a measurable margin" when no one in the unit itself is even measuring? Skill varies between squadrons, teams and individuals and it's a long shot to say their better than JTF2 or the SAS, SASR etc when those units have such a heavy emphasis on CQB
@@cron1165 what am I talking about??? Measurable margin?
Really?
All others , except for 1 other, in the US, currently, measures themselves against CAG....
They are the absolute laser sharpened tip of the spear. Especially, in CQB and land based HRST....
And besides, Chuck Norris chose CAG....how can you argue with that...?
DEVGRU under RM, was at that level once...they have lost a step.....compared to CAG....Especially, in CQB.
Keep your eye on MARSOC....they have one cooking...
Semper Fi......
Maybe he mag dumped the Dove because he was trolling you...and also...trying to teach you to not talk and TALK about Doves....
I.E. If Canadian Peacekeepers are tryi g to stabilize and area....
And you have Delta training Croats on how to possibly Dove...then that could be a conflict at the U.N.
Never talk about Doves.
Thats my take. Im probably wrong.
You're definitely wrong, yeah.
@volatilecolon
Okay sry.
I just sped read through 20th century history in detail real quick though.
I knew I was wrong...I thought I might be.
Hahah. K bud
Yawn
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