@@robl7532 it did, eventually, though single thread performance was in a ballpark of Intel's ivy bridge at the time - plus new instruction set, of course. I am still rocking a 1700X :)
AM4 was sooo fun!! It’s mass compatibility made it so easy to upgrade and swap parts. I swear, I went through 3 or 4 ‘Theseus’ 🚢 PCs due to upgrading and swapping parts on my personal PC. I’ve traded parts countless of times with friends, family, and strangers on the market places. I have very fond memories of pc building due to AM4. Hopefully AM5 will be just as epyc as AM4.
I love this! My home is running 6 ryzen chips! from 4 different generation and they can all run on the same board if i wanted, great until the very end.
I have a launch day 1800X running on that same Tomahawk MB with 64GB of 2666 RAM. It was a fantastic upgrade for me at the time since I was running huge simulations for work and it was so much cheaper than the Intel high core count options, and so much faster than the i7-6700 that I was using for that at the time. Nowadays I don't really need that much performance so it remains completely adequate. Of course I have the upgrade itch and have contemplated the 5800X3D CPU swap, but I'll probably just wait until Zen 5. Nice to see verification that I could drop in a 5800X3D if a crazy deal presents itself.
And I'd totally buy a setup like yours, just to teach my kid about this stuff, and learn how to build and troubleshoot. Then upgrade the CPU to a 5700 or something.
I got on the bandwagon with the 2600x and I've moved through a few other processors and two boards. I had a phase where I was buying amazon return pcs at auction and swapping the best parts to my rig, selling the rest. Pretty happy with my 5900x now and feel no need to upgrade. Thanks Wendell!
I rocked my 1700X for quite a long time. Over-clocked to 4 Ghz and just left it there for the entire time I used. Initially I wasn't very impressed (coming from an i5 2500k OC'd to 4.2Ghz) but once I upgraded to a 1080 it started to stretch it's legs a bit on newer games. I also wound up building multiple generations of Ryzen for the family's PCs (though everyone is now running Zen 3 systems). I've really enjoyed watching the CPU progress since Zen's introduction after having used my i5 for nearly 6 years with no compelling reason to upgrade.
I got AM4 very early with an ASRock x370 Fatal1ty and an 1800X. Then got a smoking deal on a 3600XT. It's been a fun ride. Now getting ready to jump onto AM5, going ASRock again with their x670e Steel Legend, and probably a 7900X3D. Both platforms shine their best with quality memory, its more expensive but i believe its a crucial aspect for long lasting Ryzen builds. Love the channel!
What great timing for this video...My first (and last) AMD build is still my current workstation, a Ryzen 5 1600x on a B350. It has performed flawlessly for almost exactly five years since I built it in early 2018. I remember the launch of Ryzen, watching closely to see how things shook out, and then buying into the platform a year later. Coupled with a RX590, it functions great for my app/gaming needs even all of these years later. To your point, I was thinking just the other day that the used market is really full of good value on newer series AM4 CPUs that will slot right into my current mb/RAM/gpu config and provide me another 5+ years of good performance. Wow, six years since the release of that architecture. It is crazy it to think its been that long. Great content my friend and a wonderful walk down memory lane for what I think turned out to be an excellent investment for so many of us! :)
My 2nd encounter with an AMD CPU since the Athlon/Duron days was the 16-core Threadripper 1950x. It was comprised of two 8-core chiplets. It ran OK with DDR4-3200 RAM and I overclocked it to 3.9 Ghz. It was a great workstation.
Great video! As a B350 Tomahawk user (going from 1700X to 3700X to 5800X3D) i have to add though that you absolutely can run faster memory there. I have 2 kits (4 dimms, 32 GBs) of 3600MT/s B-die memory running at those speeds with quite agressive custom timings. The 1700x didn't go beyond 3200Mhz, but the newer CPUs had no issues. With the newesr BIOS it even does REBAR! (something that worked with no previous BIOS) The only real limitation is the PCI-E 3.0 X16 port. that doesn't stop me from enjoying either the Radeon 6800 (i bought at launch) or the RTX 3080 Ti (I recently snagged, used, during a miner's "fire sale" for heavy RT games)
Was an early adopter myself. Last November I upgraded from my trusty 1700 to a 5700x. I currently do mostly encoding so the 5800X3D wasn’t really the best upgrade for me. Will eventually replace the board when I upgrade my 1080ti to a pcie 4/5 card but at the current gpu market it seems there aren’t good value video cards so it might still take some time lol. Even had the same X370 board you showed here (MSI X370 SLI plus.) Early AM4 boards had m.2, budget Skylake boards didn’t even have those which make those platforms useless in the secondhand market even as a backup PC. AM4 is the GOAT platform
Very similar to my setup from 2017, an 1800X with 1080 Ti on an Aorus AX370-Gaming K7. Upgraded the processor to a 3800X and the GPU to a 3080. Motherboard still holding strong to this day! This video was fun to watch.
The 5950x is a great processor. I hopped on the AM4 bandwagon at the very end (given I needed a high core count system for work, and partial play in between work) so I didnt get to ride the AM4 train for long, but I didnt need to. I knew the 7900 series was around the corner but I also knew it would be more expensive, hence I got on to the 5950x in Feb 2022 when I got a deal for 440 gbp (which is similar to today's deals).. it's a fantastic processor.
I actually just upgraded my b350 rig from a ryzen 1600 with 16gb ddr4 3000 and a gtx 960 2gb to a ryzen 5800x3d with 32gb ddr4 3600 and a 6700 xt. The infinity fabric and the ram both run at 1900mhz no problem, though, so thats nice.
This was a great video to stumble across this morning, and good timing. Gives me some reassurance, as I was one of those early adopters. I actually had already bought Team Blue that build, but the 1800X released just before I could assemble my rig and I did a last-minute swap for a Ryzen bundle at Micro Center. This'll be my last weekend with my 1800X/GTX 1080 Ti system as my main computer, with its i9 13900K/RTX 4080 replacement arriving Monday and relegating this thing in its gigantic Cooler Master HAF case to a Linux media server. It's still going strong, with no signs of slowing down, I just got a hankering for ray tracing in my games now that its becoming a little more standard finally. It was a great combo that's held up very well over the years.
Replaced my dedicated streaming PC which was an i5-6500 with the 1800x and HOLY smokes! Using x264 I could stream 1080p 60FPS and it was beautiful, and only used about 50% of the CPU. Such a great chip.
I still use a 1700x with an Asetek 645lt cooler, on your recommendation Wendell! I've *never* seen it running beyond 40°C, even when running normal heavy tasks. That could also be because, despite being retrofitted in a vintage early 2000s case, I grabbed two 92mm Noctua fans in a push pull config, along with a redux pressure optimized fan. Everything runs at half speed, but noise isn't an issue to the point where it's my living room Linux box.
1700X and 370X-PRO user here :) In fact you should see it going past 60, since it has a 20C bias built in (meaning it shows 20C higher temps - it's totally on purpose).
@@USSMariner let me check - I have a Linux install here (dual boot) BRB - EDIT: Tdie +37C, Tctl +57C on cold boot - so it would seem Tdie is direct Tctl is corrected? Possibly? What do you think?
I did exactly this. I pre ordered a Ryzen 7 1700, 16GB of 2800MHz DDR4 and a x380 motherboard and got them on launch day. I remember having a coupe hiccups, like having a small heart attack when my PC wouldn't post when booting it for the first time and being stuck at 2133MHz speeds on my RAM, but that all got resolved a couple months later... then close to Christmas of 2021 I bought a Ryzen 7 5800X I got for real cheap, so I updated my BIOS and plopped that sucker in. Works like a charm.
We had 4 cores on the desktop since the Core 2 Quad era, but our first hyperthreaded quad cores were in ~2009/2010 with the first gen Core i processors, with these you had to choose between 4 cores and no iGPU, and 2 cores with an iGPU
A very pleasant video indeed, I would love to see a comparison between a 3X0 series AM4 vs 5X0 AM4 running an 5800x3d. I echo a few other comments in wondering whether SAM/ReBAR was enabled both on the MB and Radeon's settings.
Thanks for the video! I think once the 5800X3D comes down in price, its still going to be a great upgrade for these 350 boards. Upgrading to something as fast on Zen4 will be 2x as much. I've got an ASRock 350B Pro board myself that's been holding up like a champ for over 5 years. I've ran the gauntlet of CPUs with it - 1600, 3600, 3700X, 3900X, and 5800X - no problems yet!
Started with a 1600 pretty close to release, still using that motherboard with a 3900X now, and still using the Noctua cooler from my first gen i7 930! Have gotten some insane value from those components
I had i7 920, used that rig for 10 years, with a few upgrades. Jan 2020 upgraded to 3950X, noctua nh-d15, 64GB - 3600 mhz ram, 5700XT, 4TB Nvme, 8 TB SSD, 24 TB HDD. What a jump for apps, multi tasking, gaming and round work flow. Hoping to get a good few more years out of this system. With a few upgrades.
@@qrogueuk yeah I only replaced the i7 because the motherboard died! Gains were so incremental over that period and they didn't move past a hyperthreaded quad core for so long
And this is the reason I'm always waiting for a second generation of something ^^. AM5v2 is on the list! That being said, I've JUST ( like 3 mins ago ) bought a 5800X3D for €305! My plucky 3600 is going to the HTPC retirement home. ( Thanks GamersNexus, It worked great ^^ ). The 5800X3D was a L1T recommendation ofcourse.
I think you would be very impressed with what my MSI x370 Gaming Pro Carbon does with a 5800X and 6700 XT after some cpu voltage tweaks (sight undervolting and voltage curve optimizations) plus fully manually set timings (because otherwise my G. Skill 2x16gb DDR4 3200 would only run at 2933) - you'd never ever know it was an x370 mobo (and swear I was running 3600mt/s memory).
Btw, I dual.boot Linux and Windows (I run Linux 90% of the time - just a couple games don't like Wine and I'm not able to mod some others due to changes in the Canadian Laws).
@@jonathanconklin6351 yes - current Beta BIOS (7A32v1P3.) :-) And I'm not using secure boot as of yet - just don't have the patience to migrate my MBR partitions to GPT (which is funny given I'm on a 2TB NVME boot drive). Funny the system is not, though if you upgrade the BIOS to the current beta don't grab the 5800X (the 5700X is the better value or 5800X3D for performance)
bought a 1700x for 300$ at the end of 2017 and used it up to a couple months ago then bought a 5600 for 120$ at micro center. so glad i updated. definitely makes a difference. and even going from the 8 core to 6 cores doesnt matter in anything i do.
1600x here. Was on sale on black Friday. Still feels nearly as snappy as on day one. Probably due to not beeing hit by Meltdown patches as hard as Intel.
Would replace my 1800X with the 5800X3D, but I wanna move to ITX, so I may well upgrade the whole platform. 7950X3D will match my 7900 XTX better anyway.
Was running an R5 1600 still in the beginning of the year, on a dirt-cheap 80€ Asrock AB350M Pro4 mobo. For my uses this was still basically good enough, as I don't play any super modern games (except maybe Elden Ring where it still performs decent, at least on Linux). But recently the non-3D 5800X got so criminally cheap I had to get it. Also got a 2x16GB 3600 DR kit to replace my RAM-shortage era (remember that?) bargain-bin 2666mhz 2x8gb Valuerams, while I indeed faced some issues getting the new kit stable, it worked out in the end. Baffled by how much mileage my first-gen AM4 board is capable of, I can probably skip AM5 entirely and use this system for another 5 years! B350 to 2028 and beyond!!!
Man, I can't believe it's been so long. I remember taking the plunge & building my Ryzen 1700 system with an Asus Crosshair x370 & STRIX GTX 1070 in March of 2017 when the platform had launched. Back then, the big supply issue was with DRAM - I remember paying quite a bit for "special" RAM with Samsung B-Side die & over the top for my 1 TB Samsung 960 Pro NVMe SSD. I have been using this system up until this past weekend. I finally gave in & upgraded recently with a Newegg combo deal (Ryzen 7700X, Asrock X670E PG Lightning, 32gb G-Skill DDR5-6000 for $500). I'm still deciding on what to get for a GPU - splurge on a 7900 XT/X or get a cheap 6750 XT. GPU prices seem to have doubled since 2017 & it's given me some pause. I agree with you Wendell, this has been a fun journey & I hope this new system can last another 5 years.
I had that same Tomahawk B350 board and it is now working perfectly fine with a 5700X and a 3060 Ti in my brothers PC. It has absolutely no problem running 32GB at 3200 MT/s, by just turning on the XMP profile. High memory speed's is not that big of an issue with B350 in my experience (if you are using Zen 2 or 3), probably because the memory controller is on the CPU itself. By the way, that 6750 xt is nowhere near saturating PCIe 3x16, even at PCIe 3x8 you'll only lose 3 to 8%!
I started with a 1600x, and went to 2600x for the MUCH better PBO, and had an RX580 since earlier this week, when I put in a non-mining used 3070ti! I'm in heaven! And I'm going to get a 5800x3d as soon as they get cheaper! I'm in heaven on this platform! 😁😁😁
This is exactly why I bought the 1800X at launch: Intel had gouged us on quad-core for years and needed a kick in the butt. MORE IMPORTANTLY I realized how close we had come to not having any competition and running quad-cores for the rest of our lives! And I got 8 cores / 16 threads on a long-term socket. Thank you AMD! I've bought nothing else since then.
Intel didn't sit around cause they wanted to, but cause they royally underestimated the problems with 10nm and AMD had nothing to offer so they didn't need to cut their profits
I started with the "pleb teir" 1700 back then. Since I have been able to upgrade to the 3700x which I am still using and it is more than fantastic for me.
I ended up going with Intel at the time, a 7700k, talk about regret. I appreciate the kick in the pants that AMD gave Intel though and the core wars that have followed since. Looking forward to FINALLY getting off 4 core garbage and grabbing a 7950x3d when they launch at the end of this month.
I really wanted to know the performance on the intel side with a similar choice which was illuded to at the start of the video but I didn't see any stats for that. Did I miss it or it was not part of the testing?
Still rocking my 1600 non-x with a mild overclock. Only thing I've upgraded since I built the system is the graphics card from a rx580 to a rx5700 reference blower card because they were selling really cheap before the recent shortages.
I adopted AM4 around the B450 time, using a mix of 2nd gen 1600af and 2600. Still rocking those rigs. The inability to get GPUs at anything sensible - has only extended the AM4 life. I think in future, we'll look back at AM4 with a 'legendary' eyeball/status. Its been freaking ace for me.
Still having my i7-920 on X58 mobo, with 48GB of DDR3, as a server. CPU is enough still, the lucky saving thing is that the mobo supports 48GB of RAM at 3 channels. The best buy I ever made. Soon 14yo machine, still rocking the original Samsung 1TB HDDs that have spinned almost 100% of this 14yrs.
I sold my i7-920 to a friend a few years back and it's still running solid for him! I've been running an i7-4770k for the last 8 years or so but just finally built a new rig with the 13900k. I seriously considered going AMD, but all of my Intel CPUs have lasted the test of time with zero problems. These 13th gen CPUs are great but damn do they run HOT!
@@superordinate I have had good luck with AMD too. Bought Athlon XP in 2002 and ran that as main machine for 7yrs and server for another 6-7yrs. Here electricity cost is insane, about $0.5 per KWh when transfer and taxes are added. With couple hour per day usage AMD saves a ton, especially with 100W power limited. Though Raptor lake for the most part is great too.
Yeah, I still have an i7-7700k from that generation, needed the single thread performance for simulation runs. I did build a 3900x and then a 3950x (on which I'm typing this), and I keep thinking that I should build a 7950x, but looking at GPUs keeps me saying "I can wait."
Put my i5 - 2500k back in service as a server/ secondary gaming system (for when a friends comes over to jam) Legit till the day it dies then it gets framed on the Wall My Life with AM4, I went 2700->3700x->3950x->5950x (All secondhand half the price vs retail or less too) Try do that on Intel and get the same or better bumps in performance.
I still have my 1600x/x370 about to start duty as a NAS server with ECC ram. needed more computers during the pandemic for home schooling so now have 5800x3d (just bought!)/x570 and 5600x/b550 as well. The chips have been moved around in those boards as systems have been added and I really value the flexibility, since the bleeding edge raw performance isn't king for me.
I just went from a Ryzen 5 1600 to a Ryzen 5 5600. Pretty good upgrade, but to be honest, I still love and respect my 1600! Bought my 1600 shortly after it came out and used it up until a month ago, was a boss!
Great video, thanks. Are the number of people that use their computers for work instead of games so small that performance outside of frame rates aren't mentioned? I guess so.
Not a runaway success but people were so happy that amd put out a competent ipc product with dirt cheap cores to $ ratio. While Intel kept pooing out 4 cores like the customers were imbeciles. Rest was history.
Still rocking my Asus B350 Plus. Went from 1600 (w/RX480) > 3600 (w/GTX 1070)> 5600G (w/RTX 2080). Holding onto this machine until it suffers some catastrophic issue.
I remember getting back into the amd wagon with the 1600AF cpu. that thing is just no brainer to pass up when I saw it for sale. I was using an i5-6500 and haven't left amd since then.
I went with ryzen 5 1600af 3 years ago. Combined with rx 5700 (with flashed xt bios). Zero issues and I love it. Using it for gaming (once a month), home assistant vm, jellyfin server. I think this combo will be enough for me for the next at least 5 years.
1st gen Ryzen represented my first true PC build, back in Nov/Dec 2017. I'd been considering my build since X99/5820k times, and was seeking a modest spec based upon the notion that I was still rocking a struggling Core 2 Duo, so anything was up. When the time arrived to dive in I was lucky enough to land a Ryzen 1600 for £136, at a time when they were normally going for £229.. and this was a full week before Black Friday of that year. This system, paired with an EVGA 1070sc on an Asus B330-f bed, has seen a memory upgrade kit from 16gb 2666 to 32gb 3000 and a newer Cooler Master 212 RGB Black from the stock model, forward thinking on a CPU upgrade at some point which never happened. I now seem to be hovering on the notion of going for a 5000 series CPU vs hanging on with a system, which still does what I want it to do reasonably well, another couple of years until Win 10 loses its support and AM5 matures.. Plus the GPU market being what it is..
Still on FX3+ Saving up for Chagall platform around early winter, I actually remember when AM1 was announced and everyone (in the comments) thought the idea was ridiculous because the igpu was so feeble back then--- Actually, upgraded from a fx6100 to a new,old-stock fx9370 (undervolted and overclocked) the first week of January. 32gb of RAM is starting to show it's age, PCIE gen 2 is what's really rough on productivity. 12x 1tb ssds + 2x 14tb EXOS hdds; all managed by zfs HD 6770 for boot OS GT 1030, RX 580 + a SATA controller are passed through to different vms
still using my 1700 non x that i built in 2017 , the only change on it was a new motherboard ( my x370 gigabite died ... twice once under warranty, same issue ) now i have a MSI x470 ( was 100 eur at discount ) and now i also upgraded from my old rx580 8gb to a new rx6800XT maybe next year i will swap the cpu to a 5000 gen and keep it for a few more years as it is
Great video as usual! :) I bought a 1700X and a Asus TUF B350 motherboard at Black Friday same year Ryzen launched. I had a 6700K before and this wasn't meant to replace it, instead having another computer around. I was happy enough with it but obviously prefered my 6700K for gaming (it had a 1080Ti, 1700X only had a 1070). At launch day for Zen 2, I bought a 3900X and a MSI MPG X570 Pro Gaming Carbon Wifi (sigh..) which replaced the 6700K build. The 1700X system was sold to a co-worker that still games on it. Last summer I got a good deal on a 5900X and replaced the 3900X which was moved to a ITX-system along with the 1080Ti (my 5900X system had a RTX 3070 at this point). This week, the now almost 4 year old X570 was graced with a RTX 4090. I've been happy enough with AM4 through the years but will go Intel next round. 14900K or 15900K, depending on how these fare.
I am still rocking a 1700 non-x on an Asrock B350M board with 16GB of DDR4 3200. I don't know if I picked a winner of a 1700 but it runs the DDR4 at 3200 and can clock to 4GHz at the same time. This has been one of the most enjoyable systems I have ever owned and all the minor tweaks and overclocks over the years has only made it more fun to use and nets pretty decent performance gains for the platform.
I snagged a 1600AF when it first launched for $150AUD and it's been the best value CPU ever. I'm staunchly resisting an upgrade since the 5000 series haven't been sufficiently discontinued but I'm watching the price cuts of the 5600 and 5800x3d upgrade path.
From a B450m 2400g to a 3700x X570 with gtx3060 after 4 years - I've never been on the generous end of a product cycle in my life since win xp was released. AM4 is a generation I will remember for the rest of my life. Long live AM4!
That PCIe 4.0 thing is exactly why I was saying to people that didn't already have AM4 when 500 series boards came out that it makes sense to just invest in one up front. It just didn't make as much sense to upgrade just for PCie 4.0 if they had an older AM4 board, but don't buy the older board when you have the option of the latest standard.
PCIe 4.0 doesn't do anything in gaming benchmarks unless card is lane or VRAM choked. Especially with last gen midrange card like 6750XT with good amount of memory. Only real benefit from upgrading to 500-series board is faster M.2 slots and more slots with higher end ones. 300/400 chipsets have really barebone I/O.
@@kognak6640 The thing is faster M.2 is practically useless in the bulk of consumer uses. Even though you can get 7GBps in sequential benches, few daily operations access data that way. Direct storage will change that for gaming. In general a lot of little files get moved in and out of storage very inefficiently compared to large ones. The 6750 XT has 432GBps of memory bandwidth, and no matter how much vram it has data is still dynamically being transferred to it. What changes is the frequency. Since SAM does still show a benefit to the midrange cards, that boost must be coming from somewhere. It's game dependent, but it comes down to how it's data is arranged. Dual channel ddr4 has around 50GBps reads, but pcie3x16 is only 16GBps. If a technology is allowing for bulk data transfers across the bus well above the conventional 256MB it's going to be faster when more bandwidth is available. So it's really a matter of limited cases where there is a benefit as opposed to none at all. The ecosystem is evolving around the collection of technologies.
I have a Asus C6H X370 chipset. I bought it 2-3 months before the 2nd gen (Ryzen +) came out, near the end of 2017. I used a R3 1200 as a placeholder, and got the R7 2700 as soon as it came out. I was able to upgrade recently to a used R5 5600X just for gaming needs. Almost 6 years of support (although the updates were slow for a top tier mobo at the time). I plan to use the 5600X at least another 3 years. I could not be more satisfied with the overall support that AM4 received.
The 6750 XT is nowhere close to saturating pcie 3.0 x16 so I don't think that was your issue. Also the memory compatibility issue has less to do with the 300 series chipset and more to do with the zen 1 memory controller. I had a 5600g in that board and was able to run 2 different kits of 3200mhz no problem. I would say the performance discrepancy had more to do with the weird boost behavior with these newer 5xxx chips on older chipsets.
It's reasonable that there is a bandwidth increase when you add SAM on top of a better performing CPU. Since the CPU can address the entire framebuffer at once with SAM, instead of only 256MB chunks, its plausible.
Started with a 1500X on an asrock b350 pro 4, now i'm rocking a 3600 on the same board and just flashed the bios to the latest version so a 5000 series cpu is going to be next later this year... never ever did i have a better upgrade path ever, totally worth it.
yeah, that's cause the bios memory size was too small. They had to remove some AGESA components for older CPUs on x370. Even on x570, it was a problem.
@@matthewpalmer9820 not every to motherboard had bios rom size issue you're describing. I would dare guess that most b350 motherboards can support full range of CPUs on latest bios. I am still running my 1700x with heavy tuning on Asus prime x370-pro on latest bios as my homelab server. I wouldn't deny that rom size could be one of the issues for wide range CPU support but I think this applies to some select boards and most likely to minority of them in grand scheme of things. Thankfully community pushed AMD to not drop support on older chipsets.
@@JIAroJIy4 i forgot what features, but some were removed from the bios in later revisions. When Ryzen 5000 came out, I remember reading about how, they would've needed 50 megabytes of BIOS, but only 32 were available, so most board partners needed to make compromises.
My MSI B450-A has been quite the fun thing. I have had R5 1600, R5 3600 and now a R5 5600G BC reasons. The thing has been trouble free. I haven't even had to flash theBIOS in advance to run any of these CPUs. GPUs have been straightforward drop in usable. My original RAM was 2933 for the 1600 and that was the max speed that chip supported stably (YMMV). Both the 3600 and 5600G run newer RAM rock solid at 3200. Never had any urge to tinker as it just worked so well stock. The board came w 6 SATA ports and a SATA M.2 and NVMe M.2 both of which I have never tried. I NEED the 6 ports and also have 8 other drives running on USB BC I NEED them. Data hoarding is an never ending thing somehow. Go figure. That I STILL have an upgrade path for this board now some 4 years on is just so great. Thank you, Dr. Sue. And you too Wendell, BC without your little talks I don't know if I would have bought one in the 1st place.
Smiling while watching this vid, using my 1800x, Rog Strix GTX 1080TI and 64gb 3600 Corsair RAM on my MSI X370. Still going strong all these years and never felt the need to upgrade...
Ran the R1700 since 2017 at 3.65 GHz with RAM at 3200 MHz and this is more than enough for 1080p gaming, the best thing about the CPU is that the gap between the average frame rate and 1% lows is minimal compared to other CPU's. I think that upgrading the GPU is the most budget efficient for 2017 builds. Selling the CPU, RAM and MOBO to buy the AM5 platform is my next step.
I'm still using a Ryzen 1700 in my PC (OC'd to 3.8GHz) Honestly my habits haven't changed since I built the PC, so I'm not sure when I'll feel the need to upgrade
Do you know if you had PCIe ReBAR enabled on the AM4 system with the 5800X3D for your comparisons to AM5? That could definitely sway things one way or the other with a Radeon GPU as I'd expect it to be on be default on AM5, but off by default on such an old AM4 board (at least it was for me when I upgraded to AGESAv2). I've Theseus'd my system a few times now; 1700 + 290X -> 3900X + 5600 XT -> 5800X3D + 3070, and all on the same CROSSHAIR VI HERO I purchased back in March 2017. My system is now a very weird mix of old and new; I've also gone from pretty bog standard Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3200 C16 that only ran at 2666 on my 1700, to some Patriot Viper Steel DDR4-4400 C19 B-Die that I've got running at 3600 C16 that I just haven't got around to tuning yet. I sprung for an Intel Optane boot drive (...twice!) and went from a 750GB Crucial MX300 SATA SSD to a 1TB Samsung 970 Evo, to a used 480GB 900P, to a new 960GB 905P. I re-homed my PC from an old Cooler Master CM 690 III into a Fractal Torrent. It's been a fun journey. I can definitely see the value in someone just dropping their old AM4 rig and going for AM5 or LGA1700 instead of a 5800X3D, but I've always been someone who enjoys using hardware for as long as possible before replacing it - so almost all of the upgrades and changes I did above have found other uses where possible (CPUs/GPUs/RAM moved into new PC builds for friends/family, storage and cases moved into home server duty).
I still have an 1800x, replaced it with a 5900x a few months back though. Motherboard is currently x370 with 64 gigs of ram. Have been thinking of using the 1800x as a server after finding someone offloading an x570 board to use with the 5900x when they upgrade.
Can't believe it's been 6 years already... Still feels like it was yesterday
Before this video, I was sure 1st gen Ryzen was released in 2020.
The jaw dropping offering when it was released. Literally forced Intel to eventually get to 12/13th gen. Crazy ride.
@@robl7532 it did, eventually, though single thread performance was in a ballpark of Intel's ivy bridge at the time - plus new instruction set, of course. I am still rocking a 1700X :)
AMD would have never been able to build Ryzen without the crappy Bulldozer.
I don't know about *yesterday*, but I could have sworn that it was last week...
AM4 was sooo fun!! It’s mass compatibility made it so easy to upgrade and swap parts. I swear, I went through 3 or 4 ‘Theseus’ 🚢 PCs due to upgrading and swapping parts on my personal PC. I’ve traded parts countless of times with friends, family, and strangers on the market places. I have very fond memories of pc building due to AM4. Hopefully AM5 will be just as epyc as AM4.
Same literally going through this again I've got 3 computers that will all get a hand-me-downd as I'm hoping to snag up a 7000x3d part
Still using my 2017 B350M Bazooka with a 3600 now (originally a 1200).
I love this! My home is running 6 ryzen chips! from 4 different generation and they can all run on the same board if i wanted, great until the very end.
I have a launch day 1800X running on that same Tomahawk MB with 64GB of 2666 RAM. It was a fantastic upgrade for me at the time since I was running huge simulations for work and it was so much cheaper than the Intel high core count options, and so much faster than the i7-6700 that I was using for that at the time. Nowadays I don't really need that much performance so it remains completely adequate. Of course I have the upgrade itch and have contemplated the 5800X3D CPU swap, but I'll probably just wait until Zen 5. Nice to see verification that I could drop in a 5800X3D if a crazy deal presents itself.
And I'd totally buy a setup like yours, just to teach my kid about this stuff, and learn how to build and troubleshoot. Then upgrade the CPU to a 5700 or something.
Looking good Wendell! Keep it up!
I got a 1700 on launch and still use it today (with a 1080, no less). So this is very relevant!
i got a ryzen 1700 and 1070 build. just threw together a 12700k 1080ti build they still fo amazing for what they are
Still rocking my R5 1600x with my early B350 MSI since 2017. Great platform.
I got on the bandwagon with the 2600x and I've moved through a few other processors and two boards. I had a phase where I was buying amazon return pcs at auction and swapping the best parts to my rig, selling the rest. Pretty happy with my 5900x now and feel no need to upgrade. Thanks Wendell!
I rocked my 1700X for quite a long time. Over-clocked to 4 Ghz and just left it there for the entire time I used. Initially I wasn't very impressed (coming from an i5 2500k OC'd to 4.2Ghz) but once I upgraded to a 1080 it started to stretch it's legs a bit on newer games. I also wound up building multiple generations of Ryzen for the family's PCs (though everyone is now running Zen 3 systems). I've really enjoyed watching the CPU progress since Zen's introduction after having used my i5 for nearly 6 years with no compelling reason to upgrade.
I got AM4 very early with an ASRock x370 Fatal1ty and an 1800X. Then got a smoking deal on a 3600XT. It's been a fun ride. Now getting ready to jump onto AM5, going ASRock again with their x670e Steel Legend, and probably a 7900X3D. Both platforms shine their best with quality memory, its more expensive but i believe its a crucial aspect for long lasting Ryzen builds. Love the channel!
With the price of the 5600x in the 2nd hand market is a great upgrade, that's the path I went with my 1800x 👍
This is a very valuable video. Thanks, Wendell!
What great timing for this video...My first (and last) AMD build is still my current workstation, a Ryzen 5 1600x on a B350. It has performed flawlessly for almost exactly five years since I built it in early 2018. I remember the launch of Ryzen, watching closely to see how things shook out, and then buying into the platform a year later. Coupled with a RX590, it functions great for my app/gaming needs even all of these years later. To your point, I was thinking just the other day that the used market is really full of good value on newer series AM4 CPUs that will slot right into my current mb/RAM/gpu config and provide me another 5+ years of good performance. Wow, six years since the release of that architecture. It is crazy it to think its been that long. Great content my friend and a wonderful walk down memory lane for what I think turned out to be an excellent investment for so many of us! :)
Great vid Wendell! Still rocking my 1700! 🙂
My 2nd encounter with an AMD CPU since the Athlon/Duron days was the 16-core Threadripper 1950x. It was comprised of two 8-core chiplets. It ran OK with DDR4-3200 RAM and I overclocked it to 3.9 Ghz. It was a great workstation.
Great video! As a B350 Tomahawk user (going from 1700X to 3700X to 5800X3D) i have to add though that you absolutely can run faster memory there.
I have 2 kits (4 dimms, 32 GBs) of 3600MT/s B-die memory running at those speeds with quite agressive custom timings. The 1700x didn't go beyond 3200Mhz, but the newer CPUs had no issues.
With the newesr BIOS it even does REBAR! (something that worked with no previous BIOS)
The only real limitation is the PCI-E 3.0 X16 port.
that doesn't stop me from enjoying either the Radeon 6800 (i bought at launch) or the RTX 3080 Ti (I recently snagged, used, during a miner's "fire sale" for heavy RT games)
Was an early adopter myself. Last November I upgraded from my trusty 1700 to a 5700x. I currently do mostly encoding so the 5800X3D wasn’t really the best upgrade for me. Will eventually replace the board when I upgrade my 1080ti to a pcie 4/5 card but at the current gpu market it seems there aren’t good value video cards so it might still take some time lol. Even had the same X370 board you showed here (MSI X370 SLI plus.) Early AM4 boards had m.2, budget Skylake boards didn’t even have those which make those platforms useless in the secondhand market even as a backup PC. AM4 is the GOAT platform
Very similar to my setup from 2017, an 1800X with 1080 Ti on an Aorus AX370-Gaming K7. Upgraded the processor to a 3800X and the GPU to a 3080. Motherboard still holding strong to this day! This video was fun to watch.
I used 1700x for 6 years, next week I am upgrading to 5950x. It's gonna be hard to beat longevity of the AM4 platform.
Hell yea. A320 here, with a 5950x and 48gb samsung b-die tripple rank, dual channel 3600mhz 16-16-16.
The 5950x is a great processor. I hopped on the AM4 bandwagon at the very end (given I needed a high core count system for work, and partial play in between work) so I didnt get to ride the AM4 train for long, but I didnt need to.
I knew the 7900 series was around the corner but I also knew it would be more expensive, hence I got on to the 5950x in Feb 2022 when I got a deal for 440 gbp (which is similar to today's deals).. it's a fantastic processor.
I’m still using an i5 6600
I actually just upgraded my b350 rig from a ryzen 1600 with 16gb ddr4 3000 and a gtx 960 2gb to a ryzen 5800x3d with 32gb ddr4 3600 and a 6700 xt. The infinity fabric and the ram both run at 1900mhz no problem, though, so thats nice.
This was a great video to stumble across this morning, and good timing. Gives me some reassurance, as I was one of those early adopters. I actually had already bought Team Blue that build, but the 1800X released just before I could assemble my rig and I did a last-minute swap for a Ryzen bundle at Micro Center. This'll be my last weekend with my 1800X/GTX 1080 Ti system as my main computer, with its i9 13900K/RTX 4080 replacement arriving Monday and relegating this thing in its gigantic Cooler Master HAF case to a Linux media server. It's still going strong, with no signs of slowing down, I just got a hankering for ray tracing in my games now that its becoming a little more standard finally. It was a great combo that's held up very well over the years.
Thanks for doing this. It's cool to remember our roots.
Replaced my dedicated streaming PC which was an i5-6500 with the 1800x and HOLY smokes! Using x264 I could stream 1080p 60FPS and it was beautiful, and only used about 50% of the CPU. Such a great chip.
This is a very interesting and insightful video, thank you for it!
I still use a 1700x with an Asetek 645lt cooler, on your recommendation Wendell!
I've *never* seen it running beyond 40°C, even when running normal heavy tasks.
That could also be because, despite being retrofitted in a vintage early 2000s case, I grabbed two 92mm Noctua fans in a push pull config, along with a redux pressure optimized fan.
Everything runs at half speed, but noise isn't an issue to the point where it's my living room Linux box.
I've just replaced mine with a 5800x. That was a good feeling. I'll ride that board until the VRMs give up the magic smoke
1700X and 370X-PRO user here :) In fact you should see it going past 60, since it has a 20C bias built in (meaning it shows 20C higher temps - it's totally on purpose).
@@call_me_stan5887 might be due to Linux (manjaro specifically) reading Temps directly idk
@@USSMariner let me check - I have a Linux install here (dual boot) BRB - EDIT: Tdie +37C, Tctl +57C on cold boot - so it would seem Tdie is direct Tctl is corrected? Possibly? What do you think?
@@call_me_stan5887 let me check in a few hours, I can't remember what I picked for the display.
As an early AM4 adopter with a R5 1600 I OC'd to 3.9ghz I loved this dig back in time
I did exactly this. I pre ordered a Ryzen 7 1700, 16GB of 2800MHz DDR4 and a x380 motherboard and got them on launch day. I remember having a coupe hiccups, like having a small heart attack when my PC wouldn't post when booting it for the first time and being stuck at 2133MHz speeds on my RAM, but that all got resolved a couple months later... then close to Christmas of 2021 I bought a Ryzen 7 5800X I got for real cheap, so I updated my BIOS and plopped that sucker in. Works like a charm.
We had 4 cores on the desktop since the Core 2 Quad era, but our first hyperthreaded quad cores were in ~2009/2010 with the first gen Core i processors, with these you had to choose between 4 cores and no iGPU, and 2 cores with an iGPU
B350 tomahawk was an awesome board. Lasted me til I sold it last month, and supports the 5000 series as well.
A very pleasant video indeed,
I would love to see a comparison between a 3X0 series AM4 vs 5X0 AM4 running an 5800x3d.
I echo a few other comments in wondering whether SAM/ReBAR was enabled both on the MB and Radeon's settings.
Still rockin the 1700x on a b450 paired with a 3080.
Thanks for the video! I think once the 5800X3D comes down in price, its still going to be a great upgrade for these 350 boards. Upgrading to something as fast on Zen4 will be 2x as much. I've got an ASRock 350B Pro board myself that's been holding up like a champ for over 5 years. I've ran the gauntlet of CPUs with it - 1600, 3600, 3700X, 3900X, and 5800X - no problems yet!
Started with a 1600 pretty close to release, still using that motherboard with a 3900X now, and still using the Noctua cooler from my first gen i7 930! Have gotten some insane value from those components
I had i7 920, used that rig for 10 years, with a few upgrades. Jan 2020 upgraded to 3950X, noctua nh-d15, 64GB - 3600 mhz ram, 5700XT, 4TB Nvme, 8 TB SSD, 24 TB HDD. What a jump for apps, multi tasking, gaming and round work flow. Hoping to get a good few more years out of this system. With a few upgrades.
@@qrogueuk yeah I only replaced the i7 because the motherboard died! Gains were so incremental over that period and they didn't move past a hyperthreaded quad core for so long
And this is the reason I'm always waiting for a second generation of something ^^. AM5v2 is on the list! That being said, I've JUST ( like 3 mins ago ) bought a 5800X3D for €305!
My plucky 3600 is going to the HTPC retirement home. ( Thanks GamersNexus, It worked great ^^ ). The 5800X3D was a L1T recommendation ofcourse.
congrats! I replaced my 3700x with a 5800x3d a couple weeks ago. Real great.
I think you would be very impressed with what my MSI x370 Gaming Pro Carbon does with a 5800X and 6700 XT after some cpu voltage tweaks (sight undervolting and voltage curve optimizations) plus fully manually set timings (because otherwise my G. Skill 2x16gb DDR4 3200 would only run at 2933) - you'd never ever know it was an x370 mobo (and swear I was running 3600mt/s memory).
Btw, I dual.boot Linux and Windows (I run Linux 90% of the time - just a couple games don't like Wine and I'm not able to mod some others due to changes in the Canadian Laws).
Whoa. Your x370 Gaming Pro Carbon is rocking a 5800x?! What bios version, I'm stuck on 1.NV atm, which does well with my 1700x and 1080.
@@jonathanconklin6351 yes - current Beta BIOS (7A32v1P3.) :-) And I'm not using secure boot as of yet - just don't have the patience to migrate my MBR partitions to GPT (which is funny given I'm on a 2TB NVME boot drive). Funny the system is not, though if you upgrade the BIOS to the current beta don't grab the 5800X (the 5700X is the better value or 5800X3D for performance)
bought a 1700x for 300$ at the end of 2017 and used it up to a couple months ago then bought a 5600 for 120$ at micro center. so glad i updated. definitely makes a difference. and even going from the 8 core to 6 cores doesnt matter in anything i do.
The general performance uplift made the 6 core better at multi threading than the old 8 core. Despite the 8 core having 50% more threads. Nice
Just did a similar upgrade here from a 1700. Even though it has 2 less cores it feels much more snappy.
My 1700x is still holding strong to this day. Fantastic CPU, It's nearly time to upgrade, but I think I can hold out another generation or two.
I just gave an online gamer friend an 1800x to upgrade his 1600x and he was super impressed and thankful 🤘
Still using a Ryzen 5 1600!
1600x here. Was on sale on black Friday. Still feels nearly as snappy as on day one. Probably due to not beeing hit by Meltdown patches as hard as Intel.
Same, though I killed my b450 so now I get to upgrade... And mines at 4.15ghz
R1700 here
Would replace my 1800X with the 5800X3D, but I wanna move to ITX, so I may well upgrade the whole platform. 7950X3D will match my 7900 XTX better anyway.
Was running an R5 1600 still in the beginning of the year, on a dirt-cheap 80€ Asrock AB350M Pro4 mobo. For my uses this was still basically good enough, as I don't play any super modern games (except maybe Elden Ring where it still performs decent, at least on Linux).
But recently the non-3D 5800X got so criminally cheap I had to get it. Also got a 2x16GB 3600 DR kit to replace my RAM-shortage era (remember that?) bargain-bin 2666mhz 2x8gb Valuerams, while I indeed faced some issues getting the new kit stable, it worked out in the end.
Baffled by how much mileage my first-gen AM4 board is capable of, I can probably skip AM5 entirely and use this system for another 5 years! B350 to 2028 and beyond!!!
Man, I can't believe it's been so long. I remember taking the plunge & building my Ryzen 1700 system with an Asus Crosshair x370 & STRIX GTX 1070 in March of 2017 when the platform had launched. Back then, the big supply issue was with DRAM - I remember paying quite a bit for "special" RAM with Samsung B-Side die & over the top for my 1 TB Samsung 960 Pro NVMe SSD. I have been using this system up until this past weekend.
I finally gave in & upgraded recently with a Newegg combo deal (Ryzen 7700X, Asrock X670E PG Lightning, 32gb G-Skill DDR5-6000 for $500). I'm still deciding on what to get for a GPU - splurge on a 7900 XT/X or get a cheap 6750 XT. GPU prices seem to have doubled since 2017 & it's given me some pause.
I agree with you Wendell, this has been a fun journey & I hope this new system can last another 5 years.
I had that same Tomahawk B350 board and it is now working perfectly fine with a 5700X and a 3060 Ti in my brothers PC. It has absolutely no problem running 32GB at 3200 MT/s, by just turning on the XMP profile. High memory speed's is not that big of an issue with B350 in my experience (if you are using Zen 2 or 3), probably because the memory controller is on the CPU itself. By the way, that 6750 xt is nowhere near saturating PCIe 3x16, even at PCIe 3x8 you'll only lose 3 to 8%!
I started with a 1600x, and went to 2600x for the MUCH better PBO, and had an RX580 since earlier this week, when I put in a non-mining used 3070ti! I'm in heaven! And I'm going to get a 5800x3d as soon as they get cheaper! I'm in heaven on this platform! 😁😁😁
This is exactly why I bought the 1800X at launch: Intel had gouged us on quad-core for years and needed a kick in the butt. MORE IMPORTANTLY I realized how close we had come to not having any competition and running quad-cores for the rest of our lives! And I got 8 cores / 16 threads on a long-term socket. Thank you AMD! I've bought nothing else since then.
Intel didn't sit around cause they wanted to, but cause they royally underestimated the problems with 10nm and AMD had nothing to offer so they didn't need to cut their profits
Early zen really suffered on 1% lows as well.
I started with the "pleb teir" 1700 back then. Since I have been able to upgrade to the 3700x which I am still using and it is more than fantastic for me.
I ended up going with Intel at the time, a 7700k, talk about regret. I appreciate the kick in the pants that AMD gave Intel though and the core wars that have followed since. Looking forward to FINALLY getting off 4 core garbage and grabbing a 7950x3d when they launch at the end of this month.
I went from a Ryzen 7 1700 to a Ryzen 7 3800x on a B350 Tommahawk
I'm excited to see 7800X3D it's the one I plan to buy for a new PC eventually. Extra cache can really help in certain games it's simply great.
Благодарим ви!
Great insight ☮️
I really wanted to know the performance on the intel side with a similar choice which was illuded to at the start of the video but I didn't see any stats for that. Did I miss it or it was not part of the testing?
What do you want to see? 7700k in 2023? There's no upgrade path that makes sense short of replacing mobo and CPU vs just CPU
Still rocking my 1600 non-x with a mild overclock. Only thing I've upgraded since I built the system is the graphics card from a rx580 to a rx5700 reference blower card because they were selling really cheap before the recent shortages.
I adopted AM4 around the B450 time, using a mix of 2nd gen 1600af and 2600. Still rocking those rigs. The inability to get GPUs at anything sensible - has only extended the AM4 life. I think in future, we'll look back at AM4 with a 'legendary' eyeball/status.
Its been freaking ace for me.
Still having my i7-920 on X58 mobo, with 48GB of DDR3, as a server. CPU is enough still, the lucky saving thing is that the mobo supports 48GB of RAM at 3 channels. The best buy I ever made. Soon 14yo machine, still rocking the original Samsung 1TB HDDs that have spinned almost 100% of this 14yrs.
I sold my i7-920 to a friend a few years back and it's still running solid for him! I've been running an i7-4770k for the last 8 years or so but just finally built a new rig with the 13900k. I seriously considered going AMD, but all of my Intel CPUs have lasted the test of time with zero problems. These 13th gen CPUs are great but damn do they run HOT!
@@superordinate I have had good luck with AMD too. Bought Athlon XP in 2002 and ran that as main machine for 7yrs and server for another 6-7yrs.
Here electricity cost is insane, about $0.5 per KWh when transfer and taxes are added. With couple hour per day usage AMD saves a ton, especially with 100W power limited.
Though Raptor lake for the most part is great too.
Yeah, I still have an i7-7700k from that generation, needed the single thread performance for simulation runs. I did build a 3900x and then a 3950x (on which I'm typing this), and I keep thinking that I should build a 7950x, but looking at GPUs keeps me saying "I can wait."
Put my i5 - 2500k back in service as a server/ secondary gaming system (for when a friends comes over to jam)
Legit till the day it dies then it gets framed on the Wall
My Life with AM4, I went 2700->3700x->3950x->5950x (All secondhand half the price vs retail or less too)
Try do that on Intel and get the same or better bumps in performance.
1600AF is an amazing refresh of Gen1 and still very fast CPU for a home theatre game station 1080p
still use ryzen 5 1600 with rx 570, got nice price back then and still awesome to this day
also still using my old 1600x on a 370 MB,
still runs like a charm, now as a proxmox server and NAS
I still have my 1600x/x370 about to start duty as a NAS server with ECC ram. needed more computers during the pandemic for home schooling so now have 5800x3d (just bought!)/x570 and 5600x/b550 as well. The chips have been moved around in those boards as systems have been added and I really value the flexibility, since the bleeding edge raw performance isn't king for me.
great video!
I just went from a Ryzen 5 1600 to a Ryzen 5 5600. Pretty good upgrade, but to be honest, I still love and respect my 1600! Bought my 1600 shortly after it came out and used it up until a month ago, was a boss!
Great video, thanks. Are the number of people that use their computers for work instead of games so small that performance outside of frame rates aren't mentioned? I guess so.
Not a runaway success but people were so happy that amd put out a competent ipc product with dirt cheap cores to $ ratio. While Intel kept pooing out 4 cores like the customers were imbeciles. Rest was history.
Still rocking my Asus B350 Plus. Went from 1600 (w/RX480) > 3600 (w/GTX 1070)> 5600G (w/RTX 2080). Holding onto this machine until it suffers some catastrophic issue.
I remember getting back into the amd wagon with the 1600AF cpu. that thing is just no brainer to pass up when I saw it for sale. I was using an i5-6500 and haven't left amd since then.
I went with ryzen 5 1600af 3 years ago. Combined with rx 5700 (with flashed xt bios).
Zero issues and I love it. Using it for gaming (once a month), home assistant vm, jellyfin server.
I think this combo will be enough for me for the next at least 5 years.
1st gen Ryzen represented my first true PC build, back in Nov/Dec 2017. I'd been considering my build since X99/5820k times, and was seeking a modest spec based upon the notion that I was still rocking a struggling Core 2 Duo, so anything was up. When the time arrived to dive in I was lucky enough to land a Ryzen 1600 for £136, at a time when they were normally going for £229.. and this was a full week before Black Friday of that year. This system, paired with an EVGA 1070sc on an Asus B330-f bed, has seen a memory upgrade kit from 16gb 2666 to 32gb 3000 and a newer Cooler Master 212 RGB Black from the stock model, forward thinking on a CPU upgrade at some point which never happened. I now seem to be hovering on the notion of going for a 5000 series CPU vs hanging on with a system, which still does what I want it to do reasonably well, another couple of years until Win 10 loses its support and AM5 matures.. Plus the GPU market being what it is..
went from a gtx 1070 to rtx 2070 super to 7900xt and 1700x to 3800x to5800x3d.
Still on FX3+
Saving up for Chagall platform around early winter, I actually remember when AM1 was announced and everyone (in the comments) thought the idea was ridiculous because the igpu was so feeble back then---
Actually, upgraded from a fx6100 to a new,old-stock fx9370 (undervolted and overclocked) the first week of January.
32gb of RAM is starting to show it's age,
PCIE gen 2 is what's really rough on productivity.
12x 1tb ssds + 2x 14tb EXOS hdds; all managed by zfs
HD 6770 for boot OS
GT 1030, RX 580 + a SATA controller are passed through to different vms
still using my 1700 non x that i built in 2017 , the only change on it was a new motherboard ( my x370 gigabite died ... twice once under warranty, same issue ) now i have a MSI x470 ( was 100 eur at discount ) and now i also upgraded from my old rx580 8gb to a new rx6800XT maybe next year i will swap the cpu to a 5000 gen and keep it for a few more years as it is
that was a very nice box of Tru64 :) it was a good OS on a DEC machine up there with OpenVMS
I bought the 1700 in june 2017 & still have it!. I will eventually upgrade to 5700x
Thank you for acknowledging me Wendell!
Great video as usual! :)
I bought a 1700X and a Asus TUF B350 motherboard at Black Friday same year Ryzen launched. I had a 6700K before and this wasn't meant to replace it, instead having another computer around. I was happy enough with it but obviously prefered my 6700K for gaming (it had a 1080Ti, 1700X only had a 1070). At launch day for Zen 2, I bought a 3900X and a MSI MPG X570 Pro Gaming Carbon Wifi (sigh..) which replaced the 6700K build. The 1700X system was sold to a co-worker that still games on it. Last summer I got a good deal on a 5900X and replaced the 3900X which was moved to a ITX-system along with the 1080Ti (my 5900X system had a RTX 3070 at this point). This week, the now almost 4 year old X570 was graced with a RTX 4090. I've been happy enough with AM4 through the years but will go Intel next round. 14900K or 15900K, depending on how these fare.
im still rocking my 1700 non x, works like a charm.
Went from my 1600 to a 5700x last summer for $200. Original motherboard. Amazing value Amd gives you
WR LOVE YOU WENDEL!!!!
I am still rocking a 1700 non-x on an Asrock B350M board with 16GB of DDR4 3200. I don't know if I picked a winner of a 1700 but it runs the DDR4 at 3200 and can clock to 4GHz at the same time. This has been one of the most enjoyable systems I have ever owned and all the minor tweaks and overclocks over the years has only made it more fun to use and nets pretty decent performance gains for the platform.
I'm on my first AM4 socket board. It's an X570 with a Ryzen 7 5700X on it, switched from an Athlon II Phenom on AM3.
I snagged a 1600AF when it first launched for $150AUD and it's been the best value CPU ever. I'm staunchly resisting an upgrade since the 5000 series haven't been sufficiently discontinued but I'm watching the price cuts of the 5600 and 5800x3d upgrade path.
Upgraded from my 1700 to a 5600 on a B350 recently. Legendary platform!
From a B450m 2400g to a 3700x X570 with gtx3060 after 4 years - I've never been on the generous end of a product cycle in my life since win xp was released. AM4 is a generation I will remember for the rest of my life. Long live AM4!
That PCIe 4.0 thing is exactly why I was saying to people that didn't already have AM4 when 500 series boards came out that it makes sense to just invest in one up front. It just didn't make as much sense to upgrade just for PCie 4.0 if they had an older AM4 board, but don't buy the older board when you have the option of the latest standard.
I agree with you. I just wish B550 had launched earlier than it did. X570 was far from cheap, I remember many that went with B450's instead.
PCIe 4.0 doesn't do anything in gaming benchmarks unless card is lane or VRAM choked. Especially with last gen midrange card like 6750XT with good amount of memory. Only real benefit from upgrading to 500-series board is faster M.2 slots and more slots with higher end ones. 300/400 chipsets have really barebone I/O.
@@kognak6640 The thing is faster M.2 is practically useless in the bulk of consumer uses. Even though you can get 7GBps in sequential benches, few daily operations access data that way. Direct storage will change that for gaming. In general a lot of little files get moved in and out of storage very inefficiently compared to large ones. The 6750 XT has 432GBps of memory bandwidth, and no matter how much vram it has data is still dynamically being transferred to it. What changes is the frequency. Since SAM does still show a benefit to the midrange cards, that boost must be coming from somewhere. It's game dependent, but it comes down to how it's data is arranged. Dual channel ddr4 has around 50GBps reads, but pcie3x16 is only 16GBps. If a technology is allowing for bulk data transfers across the bus well above the conventional 256MB it's going to be faster when more bandwidth is available. So it's really a matter of limited cases where there is a benefit as opposed to none at all. The ecosystem is evolving around the collection of technologies.
I have a Asus C6H X370 chipset. I bought it 2-3 months before the 2nd gen (Ryzen +) came out, near the end of 2017. I used a R3 1200 as a placeholder, and got the R7 2700 as soon as it came out. I was able to upgrade recently to a used R5 5600X just for gaming needs. Almost 6 years of support (although the updates were slow for a top tier mobo at the time). I plan to use the 5600X at least another 3 years. I could not be more satisfied with the overall support that AM4 received.
I went from a R5 1600 to a 13700k in November, the jump was crazy but I got a lot out of my AMD before the old rig died.
The 6750 XT is nowhere close to saturating pcie 3.0 x16 so I don't think that was your issue. Also the memory compatibility issue has less to do with the 300 series chipset and more to do with the zen 1 memory controller. I had a 5600g in that board and was able to run 2 different kits of 3200mhz no problem. I would say the performance discrepancy had more to do with the weird boost behavior with these newer 5xxx chips on older chipsets.
It's reasonable that there is a bandwidth increase when you add SAM on top of a better performing CPU. Since the CPU can address the entire framebuffer at once with SAM, instead of only 256MB chunks, its plausible.
Started with a 1500X on an asrock b350 pro 4, now i'm rocking a 3600 on the same board and just flashed the bios to the latest version so a 5000 series cpu is going to be next later this year...
never ever did i have a better upgrade path ever, totally worth it.
Remember that AMD almost didn't let older chipsets support Zen 3. I really hope they allow 600 series chipsets to live on throughout the life of AM5
yeah, that's cause the bios memory size was too small. They had to remove some AGESA components for older CPUs on x370. Even on x570, it was a problem.
That said, fuck AMD, they removed ECC injection on x570 before I got my 5950x, so I had to spend a fuck ton more money on ram.
@@matthewpalmer9820 not every to motherboard had bios rom size issue you're describing. I would dare guess that most b350 motherboards can support full range of CPUs on latest bios.
I am still running my 1700x with heavy tuning on Asus prime x370-pro on latest bios as my homelab server.
I wouldn't deny that rom size could be one of the issues for wide range CPU support but I think this applies to some select boards and most likely to minority of them in grand scheme of things.
Thankfully community pushed AMD to not drop support on older chipsets.
@@JIAroJIy4 my x370 gaming pro carbon ran out of bios memory. I have a cut down bios without keys.
@@JIAroJIy4 i forgot what features, but some were removed from the bios in later revisions. When Ryzen 5000 came out, I remember reading about how, they would've needed 50 megabytes of BIOS, but only 32 were available, so most board partners needed to make compromises.
I bought a Ryzen 1700x on a x470 when ryzen 2000 came out and I’m still rockin it
My MSI B450-A has been quite the fun thing. I have had R5 1600, R5 3600 and now a R5 5600G BC reasons. The thing has been trouble free. I haven't even had to flash theBIOS in advance to run any of these CPUs. GPUs have been straightforward drop in usable. My original RAM was 2933 for the 1600 and that was the max speed that chip supported stably (YMMV). Both the 3600 and 5600G run newer RAM rock solid at 3200. Never had any urge to tinker as it just worked so well stock. The board came w 6 SATA ports and a SATA M.2 and NVMe M.2 both of which I have never tried. I NEED the 6 ports and also have 8 other drives running on USB BC I NEED them. Data hoarding is an never ending thing somehow. Go figure.
That I STILL have an upgrade path for this board now some 4 years on is just so great. Thank you, Dr. Sue. And you too Wendell, BC without your little talks I don't know if I would have bought one in the 1st place.
Smiling while watching this vid, using my 1800x, Rog Strix GTX 1080TI and 64gb 3600 Corsair RAM on my MSI X370. Still going strong all these years and never felt the need to upgrade...
Ran the R1700 since 2017 at 3.65 GHz with RAM at 3200 MHz and this is more than enough for 1080p gaming, the best thing about the CPU is that the gap between the average frame rate and 1% lows is minimal compared to other CPU's. I think that upgrading the GPU is the most budget efficient for 2017 builds. Selling the CPU, RAM and MOBO to buy the AM5 platform is my next step.
i feel called out for still rocking a 1080ti and 1700x.
Only upgraded from my 2500k end of 2020 :) to a 5600X
I'm still using a Ryzen 1700 in my PC (OC'd to 3.8GHz)
Honestly my habits haven't changed since I built the PC, so I'm not sure when I'll feel the need to upgrade
Keeping everything else the same and popping in a RYZEN 7 5700 would be a smart move. All that performance for a small expense and even less effort.
Do you know if you had PCIe ReBAR enabled on the AM4 system with the 5800X3D for your comparisons to AM5? That could definitely sway things one way or the other with a Radeon GPU as I'd expect it to be on be default on AM5, but off by default on such an old AM4 board (at least it was for me when I upgraded to AGESAv2).
I've Theseus'd my system a few times now; 1700 + 290X -> 3900X + 5600 XT -> 5800X3D + 3070, and all on the same CROSSHAIR VI HERO I purchased back in March 2017. My system is now a very weird mix of old and new; I've also gone from pretty bog standard Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4-3200 C16 that only ran at 2666 on my 1700, to some Patriot Viper Steel DDR4-4400 C19 B-Die that I've got running at 3600 C16 that I just haven't got around to tuning yet. I sprung for an Intel Optane boot drive (...twice!) and went from a 750GB Crucial MX300 SATA SSD to a 1TB Samsung 970 Evo, to a used 480GB 900P, to a new 960GB 905P. I re-homed my PC from an old Cooler Master CM 690 III into a Fractal Torrent.
It's been a fun journey. I can definitely see the value in someone just dropping their old AM4 rig and going for AM5 or LGA1700 instead of a 5800X3D, but I've always been someone who enjoys using hardware for as long as possible before replacing it - so almost all of the upgrades and changes I did above have found other uses where possible (CPUs/GPUs/RAM moved into new PC builds for friends/family, storage and cases moved into home server duty).
This video is relevant to my interests.
I still have an 1800x, replaced it with a 5900x a few months back though. Motherboard is currently x370 with 64 gigs of ram. Have been thinking of using the 1800x as a server after finding someone offloading an x570 board to use with the 5900x when they upgrade.