And she’s very well spoken. My english is fairly good for it being my second language but sometimes it’s not well spoken to my ears. She is very good with these videos, the way she present it, talk in depth etc.
One big red flag in this MLM and others that really bothers me is that anyone can sign up to be a representative... no qualifications, no training, no experience, no background check, nothing. If you have the money, you're in. What legitimate company would essentially hire someone (as a 1099 contractor) to work for them without ever talking to them.
I JUST learned that the brand “Love Hers” is made by the same manufacturer as Zyia using the same materials! And it’s not an MLM and the items are way cheaper! I found a pair of leggings on Love Hers that I bought from Zyia! $69 Zyia, $35 Love Hers! Same with their Bomber Bras. $33 on Zyia, $25 for Love Hers and they’re exactly the same!!😡 Hannah, I’d LOVE to see a video on other MLM products that are made by the same manufacturers as NON MLM and way cheaper!!
the plant-based label actually is an important distinction for a salad. For example, a plant-based Caesar salad is very different from a regular one because the normal Caesar salad has a cream dressing with anchovies and usually chicken
Tell me you are joking... gracious... I think that might top some ridiculous labeling I've seen: a little banner on packages of pure cane sugar that read "a fat free food!".
You're presenting facts in a calm, classy, and non-judgemental way. I had never heard of this company, let's hope this video helps to shed light on their shady business practices so that more people they are trying to recruit have all the facts they need in order to make an informed decision on whether to join or not. Thank you!
I'm so glad you covered this one! My cousin almost signed up for it. She met a lady who was her husband's co-worker's wife and the lady pitched her. This lady was in it for a while at that point and she said she was making $500-$700 per month (which seems low). My cousin was the perfect target- stay at home young, hot, active mom of 2. She also would've been the first in her huge religious community to start this, so she could've made a killing but thankfully we talked and she thought about it and realized that the risk wasn't worth the scam. She started her own decorating business now and I couldn't be more proud. She'll go farther than this MLM could ever take her.
Hate to break it to you, but even IF she was the “first” person to join the mlm in her “huge religious community,” that absolutely does NOT mean she would’ve “made a killing.” I guarantee she would’ve been lucky to break even every month. Your kind of thinking is exactly what makes people fall for MLM’s in the first place, I hope you realize how absolutely unlikely it is to make any money in an mlm, even if you believe you have access to a large untapped market.
It’s a great day for a deep dive especially after being cold messaged by a hun from NewAge by Ariix. This message started with “Hi! I don’t know you, but I’ve stumbled on your Facebook profile randomly and….” she goes on with her pitch. She have more than 1100 friends on her Facebook profile but none in common with me, that’s antarctic level of cold messaging we have here. But that’s one more MLM to be aware of.
Hello. I stumbled on your channel purely by you tube recommending it. I thought I would give it a listen. I am shocked at what I have learned from you. My wife was being bugged to get into It Works a few years back by a neighbor. At the time I did not know what it was but she contemplated buying something until she researched the product. Fortunately she did not buy anything but was bugged for awhile to buy. Now after listening to your channel I am glad my wife has a head on her shoulders and thought better. I am sure the next step had she bought was to get suckered in joining. I told her how I had heard on your channel what a scam it was and she laughed and said she thought it was. I have learned so much watching your channel and can promise you I am good at spotting a scam but they are really good about making it sound too good to be true to th point even someone good at spotting a scam could get scammed. Thanks for sharing.
LOVE YOU, HANNAH! I really admire how respectful you consistently are; sticking to the facts while keeping emotion out of it. Super inspiring and entertaining to boot xx
I'm glad you pointed out that the "free" trips are reported as taxable income. I wonder if it gets reported (by the company) as a "bonus?" Because bonuses are taxed at an even higher rate than ordinary income. Probably no way to know that but if I had to guess, that's what they do! LOL Great video!!
It always makes me laugh how MLM companies seem to hate corporate work, but they love corporate terminology. But they don’t really understand, so their ranks are just a word salad of impressive-sounding corporate terms. Executive! DOUBLE Executive! Double Triple Senior Director Executive Executive!
You have great content. I am really happy to see a fellow husky as content creator. I wish mlm business was a text book pyramid scheme without product because it's really upsetting to see all these useless waste to be produced just to sake of legal obligations. Such an environmental disaster. I'm genuinely worried about textiles and essential oils. They are wasting valuable materials for no legitimate reason.
Go Dawgs! 💜 and you truly bring up such a good point that I haven’t really thought about… these companies aren’t producing product to truly add value to the market, they have products to prevent themselves from appearing as a pyramid scheme 🤯
@@HannahAlonzo if you’re ever interested, maybe you could do a video on the environmental impact of mlms since there is so much product collected by distributors that never gets used
Spending up on quality outerwear is totally worth it. I spent a chunk of change on a Patagonia coat 10 years ago, the zipper started to go and they replaced it free of charge no questions asked. I don’t wear athletic wear often so this would not be a business I would even be interested in. Great work on the videos 😊
💰💰💰come on! Old Navy $12 grab up several pairs during a sale and you’re done. I just cannot with $70 sports bra and I’m a DD. I have one from Walmart I got for $15 and the girls do not move. I think the guilt and pressure from friends/family members to buy this overpriced merch cannot be overstated. As always your commentary is on point.
I mean, I've paid $70 for bras in the past, but we're so aware now that with MLMs, everything *HAS* to be so expensive in order to pay the downlines. Also, I agree with other commenters here- you are so eloquent with the way you present things, and that is greatly appreciated.
A few years ago, I joined a financial services MLM (selling insurance). I made it to recruiting my 1st client (my former high school math teacher), before realizing that I had just given my boss (aka my upline) a client that HE would profit from - not me. To even earn a commission, I'd have to acquire licenses. I quit the next day. Luckily, I only lost the $30 "deposit" I'd paid.
I watched this for a second time because I just realized one of my zumba students; which is a friend I’ve come to care for, is a Zyia rep. I just can’t stop thinking how crazy it is that there are soooooooo many MLM companies that it’s hard to even realize then real quick. I mean my friend hasn’t tried selling to me or anything, but now that I am a more passionate anti- MLMer I hate to see people in these MLMs. Thank you Hanna for these videos! You inspire me to someday have my own UA-cam channel in Spanish because the world needs to know this and hopefully be saved from loosing money or as we’ve learned from your other videos a horror story of their own.
This is perfect timing. I started selling on Poshmark several months ago and am still trying to learn what brands are wroth picking up. I went to the goodwill outlet the other day and found a pair of leggings from Zyia. I thought they were cute and they still had the tag string attached, so I looked them up for comps and was shocked at how much they were selling for and happily threw them in my cart and brought them home lol. I had no idea about the brand and was just thinking I should look into them for more info! I'll be selling them since y'know...I bought them for that purpose, and Im curious to see how they do given it's more of an MLM brand.
I am always looking for it on Poshmark and eBay or BST groups. I love their light and tights and some of their bras. But I also like not committing to an MLM rep, so your find and business is appreciated.
Same! I sell on Posh and a lot of friends let mee look through their donations before dropping off lol. I came across Zyia and looked up comps and it was pretty promising so I kept like 4 pieces and will be posting soon LOL. So if anyone wants some discounted Zyia and doesnt wanna support an MLM hit us up hahaha
The only non 2 plant-based natural (non-synthetic) fibers I can think of off the top of my head are wool and silk? I don't think I'd want silk activewear so....
@@CoiledBooties right, I said animal-based, I just said it in the most confusing way lol. I should have switched the 2 and the “non”, but tbh I was probably a little tipsy when I wrote the comment 😂😂😂
Thanks so much for making another deep dive!! I love how you explained their comp plan, particularly volume and ranking up. (Because what other job does this? I'm pretty sure MLMs are unique with this weird system.) It's so bizarre how every MLM rep will jump to claim they don't have monthly quotas.... when personal volume and group volume exist and sound even worse than quotas to me 😬😂
You do the best deep dives! My favorite part was the 'plant-based fabric' line 😆 I don't know if this would be the most accurate word to describe it, but it seems like an attempt at greenwashing.
With that return policy, I wonder what percentage of people actually get a refund. So if you buy something from them and the packaging is damaged when it gets to you, does that mean you can't get a refund?
I'm so happy about this video. My sister is a rep for Zyia and I cannot find a lot of anti-MLM content about this company. Thank you !! The products are allright I guess but INCREDIBLY overpriced.
Have been watching tons of your videos and you’re now one of my favorites! Anti-MLM or anyone….and your makeup looks especially lovely in this video (but you’re always beautiful)! Thank you for consistently wonderful, classy, eloquent, helpful and thorough content and work!
Woah woah woah woah hold on.. what??!? They will put that "all expenses paid" trip on your 1099?!?!? I've watched HOURS of anti-mlm content and never knew this. Wow what a freaking scam.
@@HannahAlonzoI believe they are required to do this. A couple of years ago my team hit a goal in my normal non mlm company and the company took us to a fancy hotel for an overnight and on a wine tasting tour. They had to count it in as earnings, the same as a bonus.
Sadly it's not just Zyia that exploits the "plant-based" label. It's pretty much the new "natural." I've seen it on laundry detergent, cleaning spray, etc. Warby Parker even has a commercial where they say their frames are made from plant-based materials. I've even seen a food product where the BOX was labeled as plant-based (but not the food itself).
Unrelated to MLMs, but there is a farmer in my area that put up signs on and around his fruit and veggie stand saying 'All produce is grown naturally and is all natural, and they are all plant based' along with a sign saying 'corn is naturally genetically modified'. Apparently, he had a group of people giving him trouble about demanding to know if his corn was natural or if it was genetically modified.
I’m so glad your videos popped up for me! I love this kind of stuff as a former younique rep unfortunately. 😵💫 my mom got suckered into signing up for this brand and use to give me some of the leggings but thankfully she didn’t turn into one of those crazy hun bots. And she stopped doing it
I took a look at their sports bras to see what their sizing was like. If you are D - F, you can try their XXL or their XXXL. If you are F or above or have an under bust measurement over 40 in, you’re out of luck. Their models for the bras weigh around 120-125 and wear size small or medium. If they had a bra that actually fit and supported larger women, they may even be worth $50-$70. But Zyia sports bras aren’t any more size inclusive than Target or Academy (where at least you get to try on the items before spending money, and they don’t cost that much to begin with) and they don’t look like they’re particularly special in design either.
They surely cannot afford to make more than the most basic sizes...if they have to pay so much for their "reps" the quality and selection ALWAYS suffer. Check out Beyond Yoga! As a former Pure Barre junkie, their stuff stays put no matter what. Expensive but plenty on Poshmark and has lasted me 6 plus years now easily.
@@HannahAlonzo no worries! I was amazed when I first heard of a new MLM going up at the same time Kate Hudson introduced Fabletics...I believe it just goes to show that the "members" are truly the customers...then it is all the more obvious as to why they are never bothered with such criticism. Keep up the great work, LOVE the horror stories and chill vibes! 💙
I’ve been with ZYIA for nearly 12 months. Gonna stop soon. No training from my “up line”. Have no clue how to recruit so haven’t. Don’t want to pressure anybody. Have only bought for myself cause there aren’t a lot of people in Australia that sells decent activewear to fat “me” people.
I'm going through this MLM playlist and every time I hear that one of the conditions is that you're over 18, I remember how an Avon girly tried to recruit me at 12! This was 2003, she got me to give her my phone number and kept inviting me to an event (we didn't have recruitment zoom calls back then) until my mom picked up and gave her an earful. 🤦
18:35 it's not a bug, it's a feature. They, along with most other MLM, designed it that way on purpose. The consultants are the best customers, after all.
I appreciate your honesty. I happen to like the quality of Zyia leggings and joggers. I have been wearing them for several years now and they still look the same as when I first bought them! I can't say the same for leggings I bought from Old Navy or Target which were much cheaper. I don't always like everything I've have purchased from Zyia, but I've never had a problem with returns. I'd rather pay more for something that will last longer!
Meh... like she said the products r pretty irrelevant to the conversation. It's the fact that ≈97% of the employees aren't paid or r losing money by working for them.
I have two friends unfortunately stuck in it. One tried to sell me the products, I asked her about performance and she couldn't answer me. She kept telling me you can wear it to go see your friends or a trip to the grocery store. I once again told her I buy activewear to workout not just to chill at home, I work out a lot and sweat profusely. I told her I'm not going to pay $100 (CAD) for a pair of leggings that can I get at under armour for $45 or way less at walmart for something i'm just going to sweat in.
This is one company I’ve definitely never heard of!!! It’s crazy to me their stuff looks super basic and is probably just Ali express stuff with their logo slapped onto it! Especially cuz they say they come out with new stuff every week? Screams fast fashion to me for sure! (I expect nothing less with these companies) but it’s crazy with the amount of competition out there for active wear nowadays that anybody would want to buy from them especially when most people more than likely already have their favorite brands! (More than likely cheaper or the at least know what to expect quality wise), not to mention easier to get by going to a store and being able to try something on and just getting it!
Plant-based claim could be a cop out for sustainability. Sustainable and plant-based are obviously not the same thing but they could be using the buzzword to appeal to environmentally conscious consumers.
I haven’t even watched it yet but I’m so excited for this one. I live in Utah and the Jazz basketball team dancers are sponsored by them. I was shocked when I saw that.
If they're claiming the fabric is "plant-based" and anti-microbial it might be implied that it has a bamboo base. I would think that would be explicitly stated if that was the case, but who knows. The thing is, even though bamboo in its raw state might have anti-microbial properties, bamboo-based fabric is so processed that that property is no longer active. Which is a whole other thing in and of itself.
Yet another great video. I'm upset, yet again, that it had to end!!! Would you consider making another deep-dive (updated?) on Monat? Not sure how much different it is now from your last video on them, but I just adore how much you talk about these topics!!!
Yikes! It’s like a house of cards. I can’t imagine the pressure! Lol you just said “House of cards” as I write this! That’s funny, and is so true! Once again they shaft the reps by requiring minimum sales. Just work for a sales company that pays straight commission, or a salary.
After watching many of your videos I realize that I've been part of so many MLM parties. I hosted a Ziya virtual party and did get a free outfit. I've been to other parties as well, I've purchased from MLMs as has everyone I know.
If the clothes are quality, people will buy less. How many workout outfits do people need? In my mind, it’s like bras, one to wear, one to wash. How can someone sell $2000 every month?!?
My step sister had a Facebook Ziya party in person and on a Facebook group. She only a host not a rep.I bought something from the site and she was like oh don’t it’s so expensive I was just trying to get their products for cheaper. You explaining the hosting credit stuff and all that made it all make sense why that was her reaction to me buying some product. Well the leggings lasted for about a year before the thread all fell out.
Hey Hannah! I just stumbled on your channel about an hour ago and have been hooked. Good job! That being said, I am actually part of an MLM. The company is Perfectly Posh. I personally love a lot of the products and use them daily. But I'm curious about what you would find on a deep dive. 👀 Not that you'll be surprised to know that I have not made any money with Perfectly Posh but continue to purchase for a discount as a consultant. Not actively selling and have no downline. They promote recruiting but I have never felt "pressured" to recruit but was made aware that I'll make more money if I do. Anyway great content and lots of hard work you put in! Thanks 😊
I had a girl at my work try to get me to buy their products once. She asked me what I wear to workout, and I responded mostly Lululemon. She told me she had a discount code for a brand Thats “just as good if not better” than Lululemon and has the same buttery material. She proceeded to tell me she sells it and has a discount code. She also proceeded to hate on Lululemon and continues to blurt hateful things about lululemon to this day until I told her that I had leggings fixed when they ripped at the seams as well as was about to receive 4 new pairs because of Lululemons great quality promise. She had nothing to say back to that one 😅
Exactly- if I'm paying a premium it will be that, Alo or beyond yoga...back when a CRAZY hun kept adding me to her lularoe groups despite blocking, etc. I finally went nuclear and said as much while saying what ugly trash and horrible quality their leggings were. A few other brainwashed holier than thou huns started to say "well then why are you here" as it was not a good look for the potential customers and I answered that I NEVER asked to be in some group and kept trying to leave. I was never EVER put in another group ever after that. 💁🏼♀️
I board my horse, and the barn owner sells zyia (but is leaving after her last booked parties) & getting into clothing reselling with me! I barrel race and forgot a sports bra once before a race, and borrowed one, and the bra kept me in better place better than other sports bra did. So I did buy a couple, love them and the one and only mlm product I’ve ever bought. Part of me feels bad for buying them but at least I’m not almost flashing anyone when I stop my horse 🤷🏼♀️
I had never heard of Zyia a few months ago and was thrift shopping for Poshmark. Saw a cute pair of leggings and looked up comps and couldn’t believe how expensive these freaking leggings are. Turned a quick profit on Posh but knowing it’s an MLM explains the crazy price tags!
@@MRPandoraHartDR of course not? They are welcome to thrift for items by themselves. You pay a premium to be able to search for items by size, brand, and style that others have thrifted for you. It’s a business - the point is to make a profit..?
That was my first thought too! And pretty much everyone has their favorite brands already. And you know what to expect from these brands or you can at least try the stuff before you buy! Especially seeing if leggings are squat proof! Lol
If I want quality I buy Athleta or Old Navy. The sizing is roomy and styles are chic. Lululemon CEO had said some stuff about plus sized woman. Not everyone is a size 4 or 6. There so many people doing athleisure that there’s no reason to pay inflated pricing.
The only anti microbial item at ZYIA is the copper charged tank. It has to have metal to be antimicrobial (like the silver in lululemon or gold in Rhone)
Clothing mlms are the worst bc reps are incentivized to buy so much product to show off a variety of styles. Also if they need to have the inventory with a bunch of sizes, its so hard to sell it all
Tbf, that return policy seems pretty normal to me. Where I live, the returned clothes always have to be unworn and unwashed, ideally with all the paper tags still on. I find it weird to do it any other way.
I bought one over priced jacket. It looked fuzzy and soft but it was itchy and definitely not good quality. My SIL was selling ZIYA for about 6 months and I bought it from her.
That’s crazy, I have 2 workout outfits from target that I have literally had for years. If I was going to spend that much I would go to lulu lemon too.
on the sports bras, they're not bras, they're just tops that only over the boob area. They would not hold big boobs in place, they don't even come in proper bra sizing. So $70 tops.
I just came across this brand recently. I thrifted it for resale after checking the comps, but didn’t realize it was an MLM until after I got home and did more research. Generally I try to avoid reselling MLM clothing, but this one did sell pretty fast for a good amount. I doubt I’ll pick it up again, personally I don’t want to spend the time trying to figure out what MLM companies are peaking at any given moment. Thanks for this video, it was great to get more info on this company, I didn’t find a lot when I was looking.
Not sure if this is the company that my cousin got sucked into, but the woman who got her into it has been bragging about the fact that she saved my cousin and her child from the brink of poverty. I didn't care to know about the company or knowing about the company after that because I was just so upset and disgusted. The company name sounds familiar to me but cousin and I have lost touch and since this isn't her first MLM, we don't have each other added on social media anymore.
My job doesn't require me to pay them, they only pay me (regularly, without delays). It's a one-way monetary relationship. Because my job is a legit normal job. If they want me to pay them, at best, it's a club, at worst, it's a cult, but it's not a job.
I love how respectfully and professionally you handle these videos. You clearly know what you're talking about and are really eloquently spoken and I hope more people considering joining MLMs are able to be properly educated by your videos.
great video! just chiming in to say that the natural material distinction makes sense, kinda. cuz there are several synthetic materials used for clothes (like rayon or polyester) vs a natura cotton or wool. & there’s synthetic materials used for waterproof coatings often found in active/outside wear. but it can also easily be gimmicky. like with makeup or skin care or food, just because something is natural does not make it inherently better. arsenic is natural but i’d choose an “unnatural” twinkie over it any day!
Right, but if they're using the term "plant-based" as opposed to "natural", they could just be using rayon/viscose, because it's made by dissolving plant cellulose and then reconstituting it into fiber.
Plantbased fabric is anything not synthetic (or animal based like fur). You are correct cotton is a plantbased fabric! So are things like hemp and linen. BUT… Spandex is not so I don’t think they can make that claim of plantbased
I had never heard of Zyia till this past December. My step-mom who is a serial MLM supporter was the reason for this. She has not been in an MLM since I've known her but if any of her friends are involved she tries to support them; the main being Mary Kay. However, in December she texted me a link to the Zyia active page and asked if I saw anything I liked that she'd buy it for me. One of her friends was having a Zyia "FB party". I didn't know it was a MLM and went looking through the clothes seeing if I saw anything I might want. I honestly didn't find ANYTHING I wanted and just told her no it was okay and that I had found some prints at Target that I liked (lol). Well since I didn't get anything; she ordered a pair of dark men's workout shorts for my boyfriend. Luckily its not that noticeable the brand of the shorts because of the dark print on them and he does honestly like wearing them to work out in. Now that I know Zyia is an MLM because of you, Hannah; I thought to myself " thank goodness I didn't even like anything or might have ended up with a ton of Zyia clothes". Still haven't told my bf he has MLM gym shorts because I don't know how he'd react. We have them so I figure it is at least good he uses them because I don't really like fast fashion or the waste of clothing. So since we have them I'd rather him just get the use out of them. On the other note; I really don't know how to bring it up to my step-mom that she is supporting MLM's. I do not think she knows a lot about MLM's in the first place but I don't want her to keep throwing away money on some of the junk she has bought that I know she has not even used. Side story: I also have an older ex step-sister from my mom's previous marriage who was straight up evil to me since I was about 12 years old. She got sucked into Monat as a rep and lost thousands of dollars. Tragic yes, but I kind of think it was karma for how terrible a person she was for years to me and others.
Also nothing stopping those team group chats where people are pressured to send a rep money so they can place a big enough order to rank advance. I got invited to a Zyia party yesterday 🤨
I think Hannah is my all time favorite anti-MLM creator now. She just keeps it so classy.
Agreed 100%...so refreshing to not hear a single F***Bomb.
Totally agree
Thanks for watching Giorgi! So happy you’re here! ❤️
Absolutely same! So pleasant, humble, and kind! 💕
And she’s very well spoken. My english is fairly good for it being my second language but sometimes it’s not well spoken to my ears. She is very good with these videos, the way she present it, talk in depth etc.
Plant based shirts! Gluten free pants! Sugar free sports bras! Lol 🙄
Organic socks
😂😂😂
I only wear fat free undergarments.
I've actually seen fabric labelled 'gluten free' at a craft store - I took a photo to prove the ridiculousness
I love how you try to make your deep dives in such a way that someone in an mlm or looking to join one would actually stick around to watch it
That’s the goal ❤️❤️
We do!
One big red flag in this MLM and others that really bothers me is that anyone can sign up to be a representative... no qualifications, no training, no experience, no background check, nothing. If you have the money, you're in. What legitimate company would essentially hire someone (as a 1099 contractor) to work for them without ever talking to them.
Very true… just goes to show that it’s all a numbers game and the more the merrier!
I JUST learned that the brand “Love Hers” is made by the same manufacturer as Zyia using the same materials! And it’s not an MLM and the items are way cheaper! I found a pair of leggings on Love Hers that I bought from Zyia! $69 Zyia, $35 Love Hers! Same with their Bomber Bras. $33 on Zyia, $25 for Love Hers and they’re exactly the same!!😡 Hannah, I’d LOVE to see a video on other MLM products that are made by the same manufacturers as NON MLM and way cheaper!!
If you're still interested, I have a link for Non MLM dupes for MLM products!
@@NikkiRN-CLCYes please!! 🙏🏻 Thank you
Thanks for sharing this!
"Our mission is to make as much money as possible on the backs of guillible and vulnerable people". Fixed it.
2 years later, "plant-based" is on even more products than before. I once saw "plant-based" salad advertised at the grocery store.
Did it have a dressing? It might have meant that every part of it is vegan friendly
Tbf, you’d be surprised how many hidden animal products are in salads sometimes
the plant-based label actually is an important distinction for a salad. For example, a plant-based Caesar salad is very different from a regular one because the normal Caesar salad has a cream dressing with anchovies and usually chicken
Tell me you are joking... gracious... I think that might top some ridiculous labeling I've seen: a little banner on packages of pure cane sugar that read "a fat free food!".
You're presenting facts in a calm, classy, and non-judgemental way. I had never heard of this company, let's hope this video helps to shed light on their shady business practices so that more people they are trying to recruit have all the facts they need in order to make an informed decision on whether to join or not. Thank you!
I'm so glad you covered this one! My cousin almost signed up for it. She met a lady who was her husband's co-worker's wife and the lady pitched her. This lady was in it for a while at that point and she said she was making $500-$700 per month (which seems low). My cousin was the perfect target- stay at home young, hot, active mom of 2. She also would've been the first in her huge religious community to start this, so she could've made a killing but thankfully we talked and she thought about it and realized that the risk wasn't worth the scam.
She started her own decorating business now and I couldn't be more proud. She'll go farther than this MLM could ever take her.
Hate to break it to you, but even IF she was the “first” person to join the mlm in her “huge religious community,” that absolutely does NOT mean she would’ve “made a killing.” I guarantee she would’ve been lucky to break even every month. Your kind of thinking is exactly what makes people fall for MLM’s in the first place, I hope you realize how absolutely unlikely it is to make any money in an mlm, even if you believe you have access to a large untapped market.
@@MashaRistova fully aware. That's literally why I'm here but thanks for that I guess
It’s a great day for a deep dive especially after being cold messaged by a hun from NewAge by Ariix. This message started with “Hi! I don’t know you, but I’ve stumbled on your Facebook profile randomly and….” she goes on with her pitch. She have more than 1100 friends on her Facebook profile but none in common with me, that’s antarctic level of cold messaging we have here. But that’s one more MLM to be aware of.
If a company told them I had to pay them every month to get my commission?? I'd walk out the door that's ridiculous.
Imagine being a cashier at target and they told you that you had to buy $200 worth of target products in order to get your paycheck
Hello. I stumbled on your channel purely by you tube recommending it. I thought I would give it a listen. I am shocked at what I have learned from you. My wife was being bugged to get into It Works a few years back by a neighbor. At the time I did not know what it was but she contemplated buying something until she researched the product. Fortunately she did not buy anything but was bugged for awhile to buy. Now after listening to your channel I am glad my wife has a head on her shoulders and thought better. I am sure the next step had she bought was to get suckered in joining. I told her how I had heard on your channel what a scam it was and she laughed and said she thought it was. I have learned so much watching your channel and can promise you I am good at spotting a scam but they are really good about making it sound too good to be true to th point even someone good at spotting a scam could get scammed. Thanks for sharing.
This made my day! Thank you for your kind words and I’m so happy you feel like my videos are helpful and informative! ☺️
LOVE YOU, HANNAH! I really admire how respectful you consistently are; sticking to the facts while keeping emotion out of it. Super inspiring and entertaining to boot xx
I'm glad you pointed out that the "free" trips are reported as taxable income. I wonder if it gets reported (by the company) as a "bonus?" Because bonuses are taxed at an even higher rate than ordinary income. Probably no way to know that but if I had to guess, that's what they do! LOL
Great video!!
I was in pampered chef for 15 years and the value of the trips AND kitchen tools I earned was listed as Other on my 1099.
It always makes me laugh how MLM companies seem to hate corporate work, but they love corporate terminology. But they don’t really understand, so their ranks are just a word salad of impressive-sounding corporate terms. Executive! DOUBLE Executive! Double Triple Senior Director Executive Executive!
Oh my gosh SO TRUE 🤣
You have great content. I am really happy to see a fellow husky as content creator. I wish mlm business was a text book pyramid scheme without product because it's really upsetting to see all these useless waste to be produced just to sake of legal obligations. Such an environmental disaster. I'm genuinely worried about textiles and essential oils. They are wasting valuable materials for no legitimate reason.
Go Dawgs! 💜 and you truly bring up such a good point that I haven’t really thought about… these companies aren’t producing product to truly add value to the market, they have products to prevent themselves from appearing as a pyramid scheme 🤯
@@HannahAlonzo if you’re ever interested, maybe you could do a video on the environmental impact of mlms since there is so much product collected by distributors that never gets used
Spending up on quality outerwear is totally worth it. I spent a chunk of change on a Patagonia coat 10 years ago, the zipper started to go and they replaced it free of charge no questions asked. I don’t wear athletic wear often so this would not be a business I would even be interested in. Great work on the videos 😊
💰💰💰come on! Old Navy $12 grab up several pairs during a sale and you’re done. I just cannot with $70 sports bra and I’m a DD. I have one from Walmart I got for $15 and the girls do not move. I think the guilt and pressure from friends/family members to buy this overpriced merch cannot be overstated. As always your commentary is on point.
I mean, I've paid $70 for bras in the past, but we're so aware now that with MLMs, everything *HAS* to be so expensive in order to pay the downlines. Also, I agree with other commenters here- you are so eloquent with the way you present things, and that is greatly appreciated.
"Plant-based" fabric -- what a great catch! I have never heard this marketing spin, but I am guessing this will be popular in the near future.
Isn't "plant based fabric " COTTON??????
I've seen it here and there. I guess "natural fibers" is old hat. I just can't help but think of Lady Gaga's meat dress.
@@sunnyscott4876 linen, rayon, hemp, there are others I can't think of...oh, and real rubber is from rubber trees.
@@maryeckel9682 OK
@@sunnyscott4876 ss
A few years ago, I joined a financial services MLM (selling insurance). I made it to recruiting my 1st client (my former high school math teacher), before realizing that I had just given my boss (aka my upline) a client that HE would profit from - not me. To even earn a commission, I'd have to acquire licenses. I quit the next day. Luckily, I only lost the $30 "deposit" I'd paid.
I watched this for a second time because I just realized one of my zumba students; which is a friend I’ve come to care for, is a Zyia rep. I just can’t stop thinking how crazy it is that there are soooooooo many MLM companies that it’s hard to even realize then real quick. I mean my friend hasn’t tried selling to me or anything, but now that I am a more passionate anti- MLMer I hate to see people in these MLMs. Thank you Hanna for these videos! You inspire me to someday have my own UA-cam channel in Spanish because the world needs to know this and hopefully be saved from loosing money or as we’ve learned from your other videos a horror story of their own.
This is perfect timing. I started selling on Poshmark several months ago and am still trying to learn what brands are wroth picking up. I went to the goodwill outlet the other day and found a pair of leggings from Zyia. I thought they were cute and they still had the tag string attached, so I looked them up for comps and was shocked at how much they were selling for and happily threw them in my cart and brought them home lol. I had no idea about the brand and was just thinking I should look into them for more info! I'll be selling them since y'know...I bought them for that purpose, and Im curious to see how they do given it's more of an MLM brand.
I am always looking for it on Poshmark and eBay or BST groups. I love their light and tights and some of their bras. But I also like not committing to an MLM rep, so your find and business is appreciated.
Same! I sell on Posh and a lot of friends let mee look through their donations before dropping off lol. I came across Zyia and looked up comps and it was pretty promising so I kept like 4 pieces and will be posting soon LOL. So if anyone wants some discounted Zyia and doesnt wanna support an MLM hit us up hahaha
There is something repulsive about people buying from goodwill and on selling for profit
@@elliotoliver8679 Yeah and YIKES on making your comment sound like an MLM hook atop that!
@@elliotoliver8679yeah its why goodwill sells shit for 10 dollars when you can buy it new for 5 its kind of trashy i agree
Your explanations of the trouble with MLMs and with this one in particular are the clearest I've heard--must be the teacher in you!
Your Deep Dives are my favorite videos! I hope you do Amway soon.
I just wanted to mirror the comments that you present this information so well. Super classy and well spoken. Long time viewer here.
The only non 2 plant-based natural (non-synthetic) fibers I can think of off the top of my head are wool and silk? I don't think I'd want silk activewear so....
Wool and silk are animal based lol. They are probably made out of cotton
@@CoiledBooties right, I said animal-based, I just said it in the most confusing way lol. I should have switched the 2 and the “non”, but tbh I was probably a little tipsy when I wrote the comment 😂😂😂
Silk is actually a very good activewear material. Used to be the premium base layer before synthetic alternatives were invented.
Hemp too I think
Friend, you do such a great job here. You aren’t shaming or rude. Ex rep here and I wish I’d have seen a presentation like this 3 years ago.
Thanks so much for making another deep dive!! I love how you explained their comp plan, particularly volume and ranking up. (Because what other job does this? I'm pretty sure MLMs are unique with this weird system.) It's so bizarre how every MLM rep will jump to claim they don't have monthly quotas.... when personal volume and group volume exist and sound even worse than quotas to me 😬😂
You do the best deep dives! My favorite part was the 'plant-based fabric' line 😆 I don't know if this would be the most accurate word to describe it, but it seems like an attempt at greenwashing.
Yesss totally a greenwashing attempt! That’s the perfect word for it!
"So you aren't using polyester?" That's what I'm thinking. LOL
With that return policy, I wonder what percentage of people actually get a refund. So if you buy something from them and the packaging is damaged when it gets to you, does that mean you can't get a refund?
I'm so happy about this video. My sister is a rep for Zyia and I cannot find a lot of anti-MLM content about this company. Thank you !! The products are allright I guess but INCREDIBLY overpriced.
Have been watching tons of your videos and you’re now one of my favorites! Anti-MLM or anyone….and your makeup looks especially lovely in this video (but you’re always beautiful)! Thank you for consistently wonderful, classy, eloquent, helpful and thorough content and work!
This is so helpful for realizing how this is not profitable ethically.
💕 Happy Valentine's 💕...just finished watching the collab with Jess.
Woah woah woah woah hold on.. what??!? They will put that "all expenses paid" trip on your 1099?!?!? I've watched HOURS of anti-mlm content and never knew this. Wow what a freaking scam.
Yep! All MLMs do this!
@@HannahAlonzoI believe they are required to do this. A couple of years ago my team hit a goal in my normal non mlm company and the company took us to a fancy hotel for an overnight and on a wine tasting tour. They had to count it in as earnings, the same as a bonus.
Sadly it's not just Zyia that exploits the "plant-based" label. It's pretty much the new "natural." I've seen it on laundry detergent, cleaning spray, etc. Warby Parker even has a commercial where they say their frames are made from plant-based materials. I've even seen a food product where the BOX was labeled as plant-based (but not the food itself).
Stop it…. You mean CARDBOARD is PLANT BASED?! 🤣💀
@@HannahAlonzo wait...it's not MEAT based? I want my money back! 😂
We have entered into the dystopia.
Unrelated to MLMs, but there is a farmer in my area that put up signs on and around his fruit and veggie stand saying 'All produce is grown naturally and is all natural, and they are all plant based' along with a sign saying 'corn is naturally genetically modified'. Apparently, he had a group of people giving him trouble about demanding to know if his corn was natural or if it was genetically modified.
Would that be...wood? (The frames)
I’m so glad your videos popped up for me! I love this kind of stuff as a former younique rep unfortunately. 😵💫 my mom got suckered into signing up for this brand and use to give me some of the leggings but thankfully she didn’t turn into one of those crazy hun bots. And she stopped doing it
So professional and compassionate. 💕💫
I took a look at their sports bras to see what their sizing was like. If you are D - F, you can try their XXL or their XXXL. If you are F or above or have an under bust measurement over 40 in, you’re out of luck. Their models for the bras weigh around 120-125 and wear size small or medium.
If they had a bra that actually fit and supported larger women, they may even be worth $50-$70. But Zyia sports bras aren’t any more size inclusive than Target or Academy (where at least you get to try on the items before spending money, and they don’t cost that much to begin with) and they don’t look like they’re particularly special in design either.
They surely cannot afford to make more than the most basic sizes...if they have to pay so much for their "reps" the quality and selection ALWAYS suffer. Check out Beyond Yoga! As a former Pure Barre junkie, their stuff stays put no matter what. Expensive but plenty on Poshmark and has lasted me 6 plus years now easily.
Thank you for bringing up this super important point I failed to include! ❤️
@@HannahAlonzo no worries! I was amazed when I first heard of a new MLM going up at the same time Kate Hudson introduced Fabletics...I believe it just goes to show that the "members" are truly the customers...then it is all the more obvious as to why they are never bothered with such criticism. Keep up the great work, LOVE the horror stories and chill vibes! 💙
I’ve been with ZYIA for nearly 12 months. Gonna stop soon. No training from my “up line”. Have no clue how to recruit so haven’t. Don’t want to pressure anybody. Have only bought for myself cause there aren’t a lot of people in Australia that sells decent activewear to fat “me” people.
I'm going through this MLM playlist and every time I hear that one of the conditions is that you're over 18, I remember how an Avon girly tried to recruit me at 12! This was 2003, she got me to give her my phone number and kept inviting me to an event (we didn't have recruitment zoom calls back then) until my mom picked up and gave her an earful. 🤦
You are right! Cotton is cotton or Not! Tag should say 100 % cotton ONLY. NO organic nor weird or not apropiate words...
18:35 it's not a bug, it's a feature. They, along with most other MLM, designed it that way on purpose. The consultants are the best customers, after all.
I wear a 32i so my sports bras are up there in price, but they are more like binders to stop all jiggling while I run. Not a basic cloth bra.
Hi Yay 🤯💜🤯 Thanks for being articulate,intelligent and thoughtful 💕.
I appreciate your honesty. I happen to like the quality of Zyia leggings and joggers. I have been wearing them for several years now and they still look the same as when I first bought them! I can't say the same for leggings I bought from Old Navy or Target which were much cheaper. I don't always like everything I've have purchased from Zyia, but I've never had a problem with returns. I'd rather pay more for something that will last longer!
Meh... like she said the products r pretty irrelevant to the conversation. It's the fact that ≈97% of the employees aren't paid or r losing money by working for them.
I have two friends unfortunately stuck in it. One tried to sell me the products, I asked her about performance and she couldn't answer me. She kept telling me you can wear it to go see your friends or a trip to the grocery store. I once again told her I buy activewear to workout not just to chill at home, I work out a lot and sweat profusely. I told her I'm not going to pay $100 (CAD) for a pair of leggings that can I get at under armour for $45 or way less at walmart for something i'm just going to sweat in.
Totally feel your pain! I get sweaty just doing basic chores!
This is one company I’ve definitely never heard of!!! It’s crazy to me their stuff looks super basic and is probably just Ali express stuff with their logo slapped onto it! Especially cuz they say they come out with new stuff every week? Screams fast fashion to me for sure! (I expect nothing less with these companies) but it’s crazy with the amount of competition out there for active wear nowadays that anybody would want to buy from them especially when most people more than likely already have their favorite brands! (More than likely cheaper or the at least know what to expect quality wise), not to mention easier to get by going to a store and being able to try something on and just getting it!
Great breakdown. I really hope one day this business model is not able to exist.
Plant-based claim could be a cop out for sustainability. Sustainable and plant-based are obviously not the same thing but they could be using the buzzword to appeal to environmentally conscious consumers.
I haven’t even watched it yet but I’m so excited for this one. I live in Utah and the Jazz basketball team dancers are sponsored by them. I was shocked when I saw that.
Another high quality and professional video. Thanks Hannah!
If they're claiming the fabric is "plant-based" and anti-microbial it might be implied that it has a bamboo base. I would think that would be explicitly stated if that was the case, but who knows. The thing is, even though bamboo in its raw state might have anti-microbial properties, bamboo-based fabric is so processed that that property is no longer active. Which is a whole other thing in and of itself.
Yet another great video. I'm upset, yet again, that it had to end!!! Would you consider making another deep-dive (updated?) on Monat? Not sure how much different it is now from your last video on them, but I just adore how much you talk about these topics!!!
Just got done watching you and Jessica hickson! Keep up the great content
Yikes! It’s like a house of cards. I can’t imagine the pressure! Lol you just said “House of cards” as I write this! That’s funny, and is so true! Once again they shaft the reps by requiring minimum sales. Just work for a sales company that pays straight commission, or a salary.
After watching many of your videos I realize that I've been part of so many MLM parties. I hosted a Ziya virtual party and did get a free outfit. I've been to other parties as well, I've purchased from MLMs as has everyone I know.
If the clothes are quality, people will buy less. How many workout outfits do people need? In my mind, it’s like bras, one to wear, one to wash. How can someone sell $2000 every month?!?
Best intro for a deep dive!
Finally a zyia one! I was wondering what was going on over there
My step sister had a Facebook Ziya party in person and on a Facebook group. She only a host not a rep.I bought something from the site and she was like oh don’t it’s so expensive I was just trying to get their products for cheaper. You explaining the hosting credit stuff and all that made it all make sense why that was her reaction to me buying some product. Well the leggings lasted for about a year before the thread all fell out.
Thank you for doing this deep dive! I’ve been seeing more people I know join and I’ve been wondering what the whole deal is
I’m learning more about MLMs. Why do companies choose this business model to begin with?
Hey Hannah! I just stumbled on your channel about an hour ago and have been hooked. Good job! That being said, I am actually part of an MLM. The company is Perfectly Posh. I personally love a lot of the products and use them daily. But I'm curious about what you would find on a deep dive. 👀 Not that you'll be surprised to know that I have not made any money with Perfectly Posh but continue to purchase for a discount as a consultant. Not actively selling and have no downline. They promote recruiting but I have never felt "pressured" to recruit but was made aware that I'll make more money if I do. Anyway great content and lots of hard work you put in! Thanks 😊
I watch all your videos now when they come up, you are a natural. We live near each other too :)
So excited for this!!
I had a girl at my work try to get me to buy their products once. She asked me what I wear to workout, and I responded mostly Lululemon. She told me she had a discount code for a brand Thats “just as good if not better” than Lululemon and has the same buttery material. She proceeded to tell me she sells it and has a discount code. She also proceeded to hate on Lululemon and continues to blurt hateful things about lululemon to this day until I told her that I had leggings fixed when they ripped at the seams as well as was about to receive 4 new pairs because of Lululemons great quality promise. She had nothing to say back to that one 😅
Yes Lululemon’s quality policy is unmatched!!
@@HannahAlonzo it really is-you definitely are paying for quality and customer service
Exactly- if I'm paying a premium it will be that, Alo or beyond yoga...back when a CRAZY hun kept adding me to her lularoe groups despite blocking, etc. I finally went nuclear and said as much while saying what ugly trash and horrible quality their leggings were. A few other brainwashed holier than thou huns started to say "well then why are you here" as it was not a good look for the potential customers and I answered that I NEVER asked to be in some group and kept trying to leave. I was never EVER put in another group ever after that. 💁🏼♀️
@@aking4766 personally I’ve never tried Alo or Beyond but they’re definitely on my list-may have to be my next investments!
I board my horse, and the barn owner sells zyia (but is leaving after her last booked parties) & getting into clothing reselling with me! I barrel race and forgot a sports bra once before a race, and borrowed one, and the bra kept me in better place better than other sports bra did. So I did buy a couple, love them and the one and only mlm product I’ve ever bought. Part of me feels bad for buying them but at least I’m not almost flashing anyone when I stop my horse 🤷🏼♀️
I'm a reseller and love your MLM content, and I can't help and giggle that Zyia flies out of my closet when I find it second hand 😂
I had never heard of Zyia a few months ago and was thrift shopping for Poshmark. Saw a cute pair of leggings and looked up comps and couldn’t believe how expensive these freaking leggings are. Turned a quick profit on Posh but knowing it’s an MLM explains the crazy price tags!
Do you tell your customers the item was cheaper in the thrift shop you profited off?
@@MRPandoraHartDR of course not? They are welcome to thrift for items by themselves. You pay a premium to be able to search for items by size, brand, and style that others have thrifted for you. It’s a business - the point is to make a profit..?
@@MRPandoraHartDR I should clarify - I am a clothing reseller, not a Zyia rep
Aside from it being an mlm, do we really another active wear brand? Seems like a saturated market anyways.
That was my first thought too! And pretty much everyone has their favorite brands already. And you know what to expect from these brands or you can at least try the stuff before you buy! Especially seeing if leggings are squat proof! Lol
If I want quality I buy Athleta or Old Navy. The sizing is roomy and styles are chic. Lululemon CEO had said some stuff about plus sized woman. Not everyone is a size 4 or 6. There so many people doing athleisure that there’s no reason to pay inflated pricing.
The only anti microbial item at ZYIA is the copper charged tank. It has to have metal to be antimicrobial (like the silver in lululemon or gold in Rhone)
I don't typically sit through everyone's ads, but for you I do! 😂
Kristy, you’re simply the best
Clothing mlms are the worst bc reps are incentivized to buy so much product to show off a variety of styles. Also if they need to have the inventory with a bunch of sizes, its so hard to sell it all
The “plant-based fabric” things remind me of the time I saw ‘vegan suger’ at the grocery store.
Actually sugar can be non vegan because its made using animal bone char
That makes sense as to why Lulu lemon leggings often alert in metal detectors. They are made with Silver.
Tbf, that return policy seems pretty normal to me. Where I live, the returned clothes always have to be unworn and unwashed, ideally with all the paper tags still on. I find it weird to do it any other way.
I bought one over priced jacket. It looked fuzzy and soft but it was itchy and definitely not good quality. My SIL was selling ZIYA for about 6 months and I bought it from her.
Just in time for my break 👏👏
That’s crazy, I have 2 workout outfits from target that I have literally had for years. If I was going to spend that much I would go to lulu lemon too.
Business model sucks but as a woman who needs A HIIT or high support sports bra 30 - 70 bucks is normal. THAT sucks sooo much.
on the sports bras, they're not bras, they're just tops that only over the boob area. They would not hold big boobs in place, they don't even come in proper bra sizing. So $70 tops.
A nice tutorial and scenery here.
Great video.
It's a song and flower for you.
I just came across this brand recently. I thrifted it for resale after checking the comps, but didn’t realize it was an MLM until after I got home and did more research. Generally I try to avoid reselling MLM clothing, but this one did sell pretty fast for a good amount. I doubt I’ll pick it up again, personally I don’t want to spend the time trying to figure out what MLM companies are peaking at any given moment. Thanks for this video, it was great to get more info on this company, I didn’t find a lot when I was looking.
This sounds like another athletic clothing (MLM) company I recently heard about called Savvi. Very expensive as well.
Yay!!!! You did it!!
You are my favorite anti-mlm creator
Sorry there was no IDS, I usually watch that section of your deep dives first, ever since your masterful analysis of the Plexus IDS
Ugh I’m sorry too! The IDS is my favorite part of deep dives as well 😆
This sounds just ew, how could anyone market THIS as an opportunity. What a bs. Thanks, Hannah, was interesting 😀
Not sure if this is the company that my cousin got sucked into, but the woman who got her into it has been bragging about the fact that she saved my cousin and her child from the brink of poverty. I didn't care to know about the company or knowing about the company after that because I was just so upset and disgusted. The company name sounds familiar to me but cousin and I have lost touch and since this isn't her first MLM, we don't have each other added on social media anymore.
I would have never thought this was an MLM 😳😱 the more you know
My job doesn't require me to pay them, they only pay me (regularly, without delays). It's a one-way monetary relationship. Because my job is a legit normal job. If they want me to pay them, at best, it's a club, at worst, it's a cult, but it's not a job.
I love how respectfully and professionally you handle these videos. You clearly know what you're talking about and are really eloquently spoken and I hope more people considering joining MLMs are able to be properly educated by your videos.
A class act!!
great video! just chiming in to say that the natural material distinction makes sense, kinda. cuz there are several synthetic materials used for clothes (like rayon or polyester) vs a natura cotton or wool. & there’s synthetic materials used for waterproof coatings often found in active/outside wear. but it can also easily be gimmicky. like with makeup or skin care or food, just because something is natural does not make it inherently better. arsenic is natural but i’d choose an “unnatural” twinkie over it any day!
Right, but if they're using the term "plant-based" as opposed to "natural", they could just be using rayon/viscose, because it's made by dissolving plant cellulose and then reconstituting it into fiber.
Plantbased fabric is anything not synthetic (or animal based like fur). You are correct cotton is a plantbased fabric! So are things like hemp and linen.
BUT… Spandex is not so I don’t think they can make that claim of plantbased
I love Hannah because she doesn't give me that "mean girl vibe", some anti MLM creators give me the same vibe as the huns. ❤️ I like Hannah very much
I thought I was the only one getting that vibe 😂 glad to know I'm not alone
Yes, love that Hannah is a class act; no cursing or crude language. Thank you Hannah!!
I had never heard of Zyia till this past December. My step-mom who is a serial MLM supporter was the reason for this. She has not been in an MLM since I've known her but if any of her friends are involved she tries to support them; the main being Mary Kay. However, in December she texted me a link to the Zyia active page and asked if I saw anything I liked that she'd buy it for me. One of her friends was having a Zyia "FB party". I didn't know it was a MLM and went looking through the clothes seeing if I saw anything I might want. I honestly didn't find ANYTHING I wanted and just told her no it was okay and that I had found some prints at Target that I liked (lol). Well since I didn't get anything; she ordered a pair of dark men's workout shorts for my boyfriend. Luckily its not that noticeable the brand of the shorts because of the dark print on them and he does honestly like wearing them to work out in. Now that I know Zyia is an MLM because of you, Hannah; I thought to myself " thank goodness I didn't even like anything or might have ended up with a ton of Zyia clothes". Still haven't told my bf he has MLM gym shorts because I don't know how he'd react. We have them so I figure it is at least good he uses them because I don't really like fast fashion or the waste of clothing. So since we have them I'd rather him just get the use out of them. On the other note; I really don't know how to bring it up to my step-mom that she is supporting MLM's. I do not think she knows a lot about MLM's in the first place but I don't want her to keep throwing away money on some of the junk she has bought that I know she has not even used.
Side story: I also have an older ex step-sister from my mom's previous marriage who was straight up evil to me since I was about 12 years old. She got sucked into Monat as a rep and lost thousands of dollars. Tragic yes, but I kind of think it was karma for how terrible a person she was for years to me and others.
Also nothing stopping those team group chats where people are pressured to send a rep money so they can place a big enough order to rank advance. I got invited to a Zyia party yesterday 🤨