You are talking nonsense. A woman who hated ambassadors, filing nails shows her disinterest in national affairs. You rascals should be beaten up in public for lying & venerating a negative behaviour.
That's the it should be my friend. We need not agree with others all the time. But we should be magnanimous in respecting others views and accept their entitlement to their views. Best way would be to move on saying "we agree to disagree" with a smile.
@@sakbmb1447 society should be like cut live heads minus rest of the bodies. think and speak whatever we like, but not physically interfere with each other.
Indiaji was deeply devoted to the cause of India. There has never been such a visionary leader. It is under her leadership India went nuclear , established presence in Antarctica and Rakesh Sharma went to space. It is under her stewardship that India won an emphatic victory in form of Bangladesh liberation despite the looming threat of US's Pacific nuclear armada. Despite her horrendous attack on democracy and her institutionalisation of sycophancy Indiraji will remain most beloved PM of India. Even her detractors admire her and that great patriot she was.
As a Pakistani, I have learnt so much about India through the lens of this great journalist Mr Karan - respectful, interesting and engaging - a delight to learn more about India and beyond.
But you should watch right wing channels to know what Narendra Modi will do with Pakistan. Karan's political correctness will not tell the direction of India in next 10 years.
@@sanjayjadhav3758 I did not ask for your opinion on what Modi will do with Pakistan. I am interested in learning, not interested in consuming propaganda.
We are yet to unpack how much misogyny, resentment and jealousy Mrs Gandhi faced from lesser men. Men were used to being in authority at home with women deferring to them.. it could not have sat well with them to have to defer to a woman in authority. I feel Mrs Gandhi is a very misunderstood and misrepresented leader. Her introversion may have been mistaken for arrogance but she NEVER treated the poor masses with contempt like the current incumbent but rather all her policies were made with their well being in mind. She was a highly empathetic person who had to maintain a stern presence in a misogynystic work environment. She was a very busy and hardworking person, I think she’d rather spend time with her family when free than file her nails. Was it vanity or necessity? Men are lucky they don’t need to do the ten thousand things women are expected to do to be acceptable in society. How does filing nails interfere with a meeting anyway? Her mind was sharp & present.
Indira Gandhi had cojones Modi will never dream of. Modi talks big, hollow BS and lies. Light years between the two with Modi not even reaching her ankle.
best part of the 1971 thing is that IG greatly annoyed nixon and kissinger that she, by going round the world loudly complaining about the ongoing genocide. american sponsored and pakistan implemented, was interfering with their wonderful plans to woo mao tse tung of china.
IGs most important service to country was to prevent cia from overthrowing the regime of india through various activities and movements. it is because of her actions that such efforts got postponed by many years.
I want to share a memory. At a banquet at Rashtrpati.Bhawan, once, icecream was served, made out of scalded milk, so had a burnt smell. The P.M Indira Gandhi was quite severe about it with the official in charge but kept her voice muted. Till he made the mistake of saying, no madam that was the flavour of caramel. Then she really blew her top off. All of us guests could hear her shout, remember I am a woman. Not a stupid man like you, who does not know what caramel smells like and how it is made. I feel it was common womanly grace which made her pay minute attention to the menus at the dinners she or the President gave.
Indira was many things and had quite a few faults - she could be imperious, vainglorious, oversensitive, and didn't forget slights - but her intelligence, steadfastness, competence, resoluteness, strength and commitment to secularism could never be doubted. One does not remember her making speeches mocking certain communities, and her disinclination to discriminate against Sikhs despite the Golden Temple incident actually cost her life. Despite her mistakes and the Emergency, she was still more humane and democratic than the present incumbent. In a pre-social/electronic media age, Indira had a remarkable natural charisma that entranced Indians of all shapes and sizes at a scale that Modi with his battery of IT trolls and compliant media will still never achieve. Indira took on Pakistan in Bangladesh without succumbing to American pressure, while Modi is mute despite China's transgressions and does not even dare to utter the "China" word! For what it's worth, the present BJPee government too treats many ambassadors with contempt and is prone to shrilly lecturing their countries, and there have been several attempts by the BJPee's minions and cronies to nominate Modi for a Nobel. Modi too loves foreign attention - he loves to hug foreign leaders but we've never seen him hug any Indian person. And while Indira may have filed her nails, Modi probably gazes at his own reflection.
Khangressi Pichwada licker ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool, u seriously thought of putting whole khalistan Fiasco on bjp modi's head u bloody randikhana masjid and madrassa chap ganduudin 😂😂😂
Just to point out. Charles and Diana got married on July 29, 1981. The date falls within the Presidency of Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy (1977-82). VV Giri was President from 1969 to 1974.
I also noted that mistake. VV Giri was not just no longer President, he was damn dead a year (1980) before the wedding (1981) of Diana and Charles. It is astounding how Thapar and Garekhan continued the conversation naming a wrong President, neither correcting the other. Reflects very poorly on both.
Yes, because Sanjiva Reddy was nominated President by Janata Government. She had a great rapport with Queen Elizabeth II and the then PM of Britain Mrs Margaret Thatcher.
I think when she wanted the President of another country to approach her first or contact her first, it was not due to her pride for herself but for India, which she represented as the leader. Very fair, I should say, considering the times.
I think filing nails for a very busy woman is time saving .being an architect young mother 40 yrs back and a film maker and cook I did it all the time without making a difference about people .These small activities had to done away with with minimum time spent when one is listening !
When we were growing up in the 50s and 60s we were also tought this decorum of nit showing our back and bending double to greeting whike we visited the local Maharaja’s daughters birthday party .she was a perfectionist like any smart and intelligent woman ! Meticulous . I love this quality !only women have ts eye for detsils ! Lovely to hear this account !
A woman a first person of a developing, colonised country had to hold herself in that stature she wanted the world to know. Infact she and Golda Mayer commanded the superlative position they got! I can imagine the unrest of Indian men working around her . With our make superiority culture .
History is only valuable if guides us in present and future times! So many lessons learned actively comparing the glorious leader of the past with the one in the present!
That smile, blushing, that internal happiness in Karan Thapar's face says it all. A true chamcha! even when the senior said that Indira seeked Russian help(external help) for settling communist issue. Only a true chamcha can be so happy about it
weird.. v v giri died in 1980 so how could he have been invited to a wedding in '81. How in the world did it make to the book (Karan quotes it ?!) even if it is a factual error? .. Jesus, that's one hell of a factual error..!!
Imam Rehman, ex head of ICCR, minister to the Indian ambassador at Washington;and ambassador designate to UNESCO at Paris, met Mrs Gandhi immediately after she had concluded her meeting with the Soviet delegation led, I think by Brezhnev, that had visited India soon after the Soviets had entered Afghanistan. And she remarked to him that "these russians are big bullies. You have to know how to deal with them. And I have told them clearly that they must leave Afghanistan. " He was staying with me at that time and told me this on his return home right after that meeting.
In the interview you both discussed that at the time of Prince Charles marriage with Diana, VV Giri was president and his decision to attend to marriage disappointed Mrs. Gandhi. At that time (1981), VV Giri was already died (his presidency ended by August 1974 and died on June 1980). He became president by Indira support, and he would not have behaved in that manner. Neelam Sanjeeva reddy who became president during Janata govt in 1977 to 82, quite ill disposed towards Indira, and he announced his willingness to attend Prince Charles marriage, without consulting PM Indira, he discussed with PL Sanjeeva Reddy IAS, (his secretary) who advised against President accepting without consulting PM
After listening to this interview I was like I know one more Prime Minister, who is exactly like the Indira Gandhi, so much self obsessed, looking for western approval, and that person is Narendra Modi.
This reminds me of a story- apocryphal though it might sound- of a meeting that T Thomas, former Chairman of Hindustan Lever, had with her wherein he tried to correct her views of the market (she was a statist and someone who believed in a command economy) whereas Unilever was a proponent of the free market, just like Thomas was. He was instrumental in helping her change her views on the market and this had profound changes which her confidant LK Jha (ICS) ushered in subsequently, in later years when he became Rajiv Gandhi’s confidant .
We need to remember that during the era of Mrs Indira Gandhi it was difficult to have an open economy because the Western powers with capital would've been back as colonialists through the economic backdoor. We had to bide our time until the world was ready to play ball with the "third world". So it's not proper to say Mrs Gandhi was a statist. It's what was required at the time.
@@thepeacefulwarrior2879 I agree with you. However she needed convincing and that came from LK Jha no less, who first proposed the dismantling of the post of Controller of Capital Issues ( a post he held a good 30 years earlier) . The point is that though she was a statist, it was because of the economic situation obtaining then and she was quite mentally flexible enough in accepting that the winds of change in the early 80’s coincided with the time Thatcher and Reagan were defining the economic agendas of their respective countries influenced in part by ideas from the Chicago school and also from Hayek.
Emergency had to be clamped due to direct US interference in India affairs as Indira disregarded USA, at that point of time, Indira took many pro-poor initiatives which angered the rich class. Land reforms is one such policy, the rich were supposed to give up their land to the poor. Next she discontinued purse for Kings & queens, which angered influential rich. RSS & opposition was fomenting trouble in India by US support/funds. Emergency didn't affect poor or common man but only rich, influential & anti-nationals. Indira will remain the most gracious bold & pro-poor PM of India for ever. In spite of India being poor, India commanded highest respect under her leadership
Dr. Kiran Bedi didn't file her nails on duty and can be very called as Iron lady. Sir Sam Manekshaw was Iron man too. Historical facts can not be denied. People of India who prioritize their duty over families are more patriotic than priority of family dynasty.
Indira Gandhi was and all of you (Mr. Thapar and his guests) still are very concerned about big things and trivial things for the rich and powerful. She had nothing to do with the 80 percent of the Indians who could not meet their basic needs. She won the election on GARIBI HATAO but when a year later or so Khushwant Singh asked her what she planned to do about poverty, she told him that the initiative had to come from the public! WOW!! She apparently never read her father's Tryst-with-Destiny speech on 15 August 1947.
Indira Gandhi should have asked the British to give back the wealth they looted from India like the Kohinoor diamond etc. The Kohinoor belonged to a temple in Andhrapradesh
Dinner menu, seating at formal dinners a love of British royalty and worrying about what the foreign press was writing- these were the concerns of our former PM! We have come a long way in getting rid of our colonial mindset!
I can’t quite decide whether Mr Garekhan is just indiscreet or charming or twinkly. However he does draw an extraordinary portrait, in a manner, of Indira Gandhi.
The claim that V.V. Giri insisted on attending Prince Charles's wedding and denied Indira Gandhi the chance to attend is inaccurate. V.V. Giri served as the President of India from 1969 to 1974, concluding his term long before Prince Charles's wedding to Diana in 1981. Therefore, there is no basis to suggest that Giri insisted on attending that particular event and prevented Indira Gandhi from attending. In 1981, N. Sanjiva Reddy held the position of President of India. However, there is no historical evidence or documentation to indicate that President Reddy attended Prince Charles's wedding, thus denying Indira Gandhi the opportunity to attend. It is worth noting that Indira Gandhi might have desired to attend Princess Anne's wedding in 1973, but her plans were likely disrupted due to President Giri's insistence on attending.
This kind of revelation- much after the person about whom matters are being discussed- is long dead and cannot refute whatever is being put out- is condemnable and should not be attempted.
All the officers literally shit in their pants in front of PM Indira! Few exceptions were there! She was a very strong-willed lady! Great Interview, Karan!
Mr. Thapar: You must read Flying Troika. It is the diary of KPS Menon, Nehru's ambassador to Stalin's USSR. Excellent prose! And you may like to read "Roses in December" by MC Chagla. Parts of the book deal with his terms as envoy to Britain and US and our occasional representative to the United Nations. Very good prose! You will also learn a lot about Jinnah, his mentor, whom he almost never liked.
Hi Karan, I loved the interaction - its simplicity and its balanced approach. I would love to 'hear' the book, but its Audible version is unavailable. Could you kindly convey to Mr Gharekhan that people would love to have that, please?
Quite an insightful interview, goes on to show the human side of our political leaders and how deeply flawed they can be as individuals in their private lives.
Mr Gharekhan was a colleague of my father, and a friend of my parents. But I think both he and Karan Thapar are perhaps confusing personalities when talking about which President went to Prince (now King) Charles's wedding. It must have been N Sanjeeva Reddy, not VV Giri.
What the heck are you taking Thapar? religiosity is one thing but superstitions another? religiosity is just one step further from superstition, all you consider superstition now once were religiosity. The concept of god itself is superstition once you realized that it's just a concept human made to understand their inability to understand the nature.
Mr.K.Thapar you are great learned &renowned man. I feel you are wasting your knowledge time on unnecesary things. Today 100 karod logonko to get one time meal isa problem ofcourse PM does not have time for poor people he has to look after Amirs of this country. Atleast people educated like you should think of poor hungry people of India.!
I do watch and enjoy your interviews on the The Wire. But whenever I try to donate or contribute or subscribe to The Wire I find only Indian citizens are allowed to do so, though the founder-editor of The Wire is himself a US citizen.
A secular democrat succumbed to partisan , narrow , ill conceived act of attacking her own people( albeit wayward , ) with tanks ,guns and destroyed Akaltakht , so much of Sri Darbar sahib . I blame her advisors with definite RSS leanings .
What a lady. This diary and witness of her behind the scenes makes Indira to be a normal human like us.
You are talking nonsense. A woman who hated ambassadors, filing nails shows her disinterest in national affairs. You rascals should be beaten up in public for lying & venerating a negative behaviour.
👍🏼❤️ Very interesting to hear about our iron lady Mrs. Indira Gandhi the great, I am a big fan of her..
I am someone who disagree with Mr. Karan Thapar on many things but really admire him for his wonderful interviews…
Same for me
That's the it should be my friend. We need not agree with others all the time. But we should be magnanimous in respecting others views and accept their entitlement to their views. Best way would be to move on saying "we agree to disagree" with a smile.
@@sakbmb1447 society should be like cut live heads minus rest of the bodies. think and speak whatever we like, but not physically interfere with each other.
Update. Enjoy.
Why is Karan Thapar complaining? His dynasty holds a key to Lutyens’ Delhi
By
NANDITA SINGH
@@sanjayvaidya4925 The Lutyens' bungalows are all occupied by Sanghis now.
Indiaji was deeply devoted to the cause of India. There has never been such a visionary leader. It is under her leadership India went nuclear , established presence in Antarctica and Rakesh Sharma went to space. It is under her stewardship that India won an emphatic victory in form of Bangladesh liberation despite the looming threat of US's Pacific nuclear armada. Despite her horrendous attack on democracy and her institutionalisation of sycophancy Indiraji will remain most beloved PM of India. Even her detractors admire her and that great patriot she was.
As a Pakistani, I have learnt so much about India through the lens of this great journalist Mr Karan - respectful, interesting and engaging - a delight to learn more about India and beyond.
But you should watch right wing channels to know what Narendra Modi will do with Pakistan. Karan's political correctness will not tell the direction of India in next 10 years.
@@sanjayjadhav3758 I did not ask for your opinion on what Modi will do with Pakistan. I am interested in learning, not interested in consuming propaganda.
Learn some more.
Why is Karan Thapar complaining? His dynasty holds a key to Lutyens’ Delhi
By
NANDITA SINGH
@@sajjadtariq5689you misunderstood. Its not what India will do but what Pak did to itself. 4 new countries coming soon. Lucky you.
@@sanjayvaidya4925 so why do you listen to him?
We are yet to unpack how much misogyny, resentment and jealousy Mrs Gandhi faced from lesser men. Men were used to being in authority at home with women deferring to them.. it could not have sat well with them to have to defer to a woman in authority. I feel Mrs Gandhi is a very misunderstood and misrepresented leader. Her introversion may have been mistaken for arrogance but she NEVER treated the poor masses with contempt like the current incumbent but rather all her policies were made with their well being in mind. She was a highly empathetic person who had to maintain a stern presence in a misogynystic work environment. She was a very busy and hardworking person, I think she’d rather spend time with her family when free than file her nails. Was it vanity or necessity? Men are lucky they don’t need to do the ten thousand things women are expected to do to be acceptable in society. How does filing nails interfere with a meeting anyway? Her mind was sharp & present.
Very well put.
Indira Gandhi brought us the great 1971 victory our Pakistan and gave a new country Bangladesh, even though Americans threatened her ,hats off to her
Indira Gandhi had cojones Modi will never dream of. Modi talks big, hollow BS and lies. Light years between the two with Modi not even reaching her ankle.
best part of the 1971 thing is that IG greatly annoyed nixon and kissinger that she, by going round the world loudly complaining about the ongoing genocide. american sponsored and pakistan implemented, was interfering with their wonderful plans to woo mao tse tung of china.
@@acd23_lists you're talking like a perfect slave. Focus on what matters and dump the bullshit.
Please work with your Bangladesh govt for safe deportation of illegal immigrants from India. Thank you
IGs most important service to country was to prevent cia from overthrowing the regime of india through various activities and movements. it is because of her actions that such efforts got postponed by many years.
I want to share a memory. At a banquet at Rashtrpati.Bhawan, once, icecream was served, made out of scalded milk, so had a burnt smell. The P.M Indira Gandhi was quite severe about it with the official in charge but kept her voice muted. Till he made the mistake of saying, no madam that was the flavour of caramel. Then she really blew her top off. All of us guests could hear her shout, remember I am a woman. Not a stupid man like you, who does not know what caramel smells like and how it is made.
I feel it was common womanly grace which made her pay minute attention to the menus at the dinners she or the
President gave.
True
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Save 21:03 to see rare sight of Karan chuckling with guest.
V.V. Giri was dead by 1980 and the Charles-Diana wedding took place in 1981. Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy was the President of India then.
Indira was many things and had quite a few faults - she could be imperious, vainglorious, oversensitive, and didn't forget slights - but her intelligence, steadfastness, competence, resoluteness, strength and commitment to secularism could never be doubted. One does not remember her making speeches mocking certain communities, and her disinclination to discriminate against Sikhs despite the Golden Temple incident actually cost her life. Despite her mistakes and the Emergency, she was still more humane and democratic than the present incumbent. In a pre-social/electronic media age, Indira had a remarkable natural charisma that entranced Indians of all shapes and sizes at a scale that Modi with his battery of IT trolls and compliant media will still never achieve. Indira took on Pakistan in Bangladesh without succumbing to American pressure, while Modi is mute despite China's transgressions and does not even dare to utter the "China" word! For what it's worth, the present BJPee government too treats many ambassadors with contempt and is prone to shrilly lecturing their countries, and there have been several attempts by the BJPee's minions and cronies to nominate Modi for a Nobel. Modi too loves foreign attention - he loves to hug foreign leaders but we've never seen him hug any Indian person. And while Indira may have filed her nails, Modi probably gazes at his own reflection.
Perfectly put. Hats off to you.
Khangressi Pichwada licker ganduudin namazi aashiq gay rasool, u seriously thought of putting whole khalistan Fiasco on bjp modi's head u bloody randikhana masjid and madrassa chap ganduudin 😂😂😂
Very well put
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Nice comment !
Thanks! Not for the wire but only for Karan's interview.
I respect Karan Thapar for his candid interviews.
Honourable Mrs. Indira Gandhi will NEVER BE FORGOTTEN 🌺🙏🏼🌺 THE IRON LADY ❤
Another Wonderful interview by Karan Thapar. Loved listening about Mrs G.
Just to point out. Charles and Diana got married on July 29, 1981. The date falls within the Presidency of Neelam Sanjeeva Reddy (1977-82). VV Giri was President from 1969 to 1974.
I also noted that mistake. VV Giri was not just no longer President, he was damn dead a year (1980) before the wedding (1981) of Diana and Charles. It is astounding how Thapar and Garekhan continued the conversation naming a wrong President, neither correcting the other. Reflects very poorly on both.
This also explains why the President did not accommodate IGs desire to attend the wedding !
@@bullseye7541 bulls eye😂
Yes, because Sanjiva Reddy was nominated President by Janata Government. She had a great rapport with Queen Elizabeth II and the then PM of Britain Mrs Margaret Thatcher.
From such a well educated and dignified leader, we have come down to what, like we are going backwards 😢
Darul Islam is best for . Don’t be closet jihadi
the genie is always there but now it is outside the bottle ...
🤣dignified leader...who was an Ego-maniac & epitome of Narcissism. And an Anglophile as said in the interview!! But I guess thats your type 🤣💩❌
True
Muslims going out of India will increase the literacy rate and decrease the crime rate in India.
Great insights and marvellous revelations. Thank u.
Superb. I have some of my own stories of mrs gandhi and my family. Your guest is spot on!
Brilliant, brilliant episode . Loved it . Yes will subscribe to your column .
Indira Gandhi was a patriot, meticulous and obviously a great hostess.
Chamcha of Britishers too
Such a nice hostess, gave away a victory won in war of 1971 to a double cross in Shimla peace talks.
I LOVE INDIRA GANDHI!!!
i love you chinmaya!!!
Me too
What wonderful recollections!
I think when she wanted the President of another country to approach her first or contact her first, it was not due to her pride for herself but for India, which she represented as the leader. Very fair, I should say, considering the times.
Great Prime Minister and no one is perfect
Great program. Enjoyed as always
Firs Timer. Liked v.much.
We are proud and covey our Best Wishes.
Prashantt Mehta.
Wish yôu all the best,
Muito obrigado senhor⭐🆎
Wow what an account of those days Thank you both 🙏🙏
I think filing nails for a very busy woman is time saving .being an architect young mother 40 yrs back and a film maker and cook I did it all the time without making a difference about people .These small activities had to done away with with minimum time spent when one is listening !
When we were growing up in the 50s and 60s we were also tought this decorum of nit showing our back and bending double to greeting whike we visited the local Maharaja’s daughters birthday party .she was a perfectionist like any smart and intelligent woman ! Meticulous . I love this quality !only women have ts eye for detsils ! Lovely to hear this account !
A woman a first person of a developing, colonised country had to hold herself in that stature she wanted the world to know. Infact she and Golda Mayer commanded the superlative position they got! I can imagine the unrest of Indian men working around her . With our make superiority culture .
I salute to your journalism sir... 🎉
Vv good
History is only valuable if guides us in present and future times! So many lessons learned actively comparing the glorious leader of the past with the one in the present!
That smile, blushing, that internal happiness in Karan Thapar's face says it all. A true chamcha! even when the senior said that Indira seeked Russian help(external help) for settling communist issue. Only a true chamcha can be so happy about it
To correct you it was N. SANJEEV REDDY and not V.V.Giri who was President at the time Prince Charles married Diana.
Such a lovely episode. These last two guests have been amazing, in particular.
Truly enjoyable. Keep up the lovely work, Karan ji.
Surprisingly insightful and entertaining.
FACTUAL ERROR. Charsl's wedding was in 1981 and Giri was not the president then. it was Sanjeeva Reddy (17 minuets 20 secs)
weird.. v v giri died in 1980 so how could he have been invited to a wedding in '81. How in the world did it make to the book (Karan quotes it ?!) even if it is a factual error? .. Jesus, that's one hell of a factual error..!!
Nice interview with statesman Mr CR Gharekhan.
Love n respect her more after listening to this interview.
It's so clear that the writer admired Indira Gandhi. This after working 26 months closely. How many of us would speak about our bosses so warmly....
True... Very True
Thanks!
Imam Rehman, ex head of ICCR, minister to the Indian ambassador at Washington;and ambassador designate to UNESCO at Paris, met Mrs Gandhi immediately after she had concluded her meeting with the Soviet delegation led, I think by Brezhnev, that had visited India soon after the Soviets had entered Afghanistan. And she remarked to him that "these russians are big bullies. You have to know how to deal with them. And I have told them clearly that they must leave Afghanistan. "
He was staying with me at that time and told me this on his return home right after that meeting.
Such a good interviewer ignored by our current PM😢
Live in hope.....
Good interview😊
PRESIDENT was NSR not VVGiri. This also explains why the President did not accommodate IGs desire to attend the wedding !
Wonderful interview. A lighter moods of honorable Prime minister Indiraji been told by honourable Chinmay gharekhan. Would like to read his book.
In the interview you both discussed that at the time of Prince Charles marriage with Diana, VV Giri was president and his decision to attend to marriage disappointed Mrs. Gandhi. At that time (1981), VV Giri was already died (his presidency ended by August 1974 and died on June 1980). He became president by Indira support, and he would not have behaved in that manner. Neelam Sanjeeva reddy who became president during Janata govt in 1977 to 82, quite ill disposed towards Indira, and he announced his willingness to attend Prince Charles marriage, without consulting PM Indira, he discussed with PL Sanjeeva Reddy IAS, (his secretary) who advised against President accepting without consulting PM
Fearless journalism should not mean anti-national agenda and false propaganda!!
Loved the interview
Nice interview
After listening to this interview I was like I know one more Prime Minister, who is exactly like the Indira Gandhi, so much self obsessed, looking for western approval, and that person is Narendra Modi.
NOT western but seems like wanted to prove to the British 'We are doing fine unlike what you'll had thought of our capabilities '
Modi doesn't care about West lol.
How can you not name the official that you are interviewing in the Description section???
Exactly... so sad...
Yes Sir, Yes Sir,..three bags full, simplistic Garekhan. Head clerk in an important role...!
Obviously she loved British royalty. They handed over India to her family. Just being grateful.
This reminds me of a story- apocryphal though it might sound- of a meeting that T Thomas, former Chairman of Hindustan Lever, had with her wherein he tried to correct her views of the market (she was a statist and someone who believed in a command economy) whereas Unilever was a proponent of the free market, just like Thomas was. He was instrumental in helping her change her views on the market and this had profound changes which her confidant LK Jha (ICS) ushered in subsequently, in later years when he became Rajiv Gandhi’s confidant .
We need to remember that during the era of Mrs Indira Gandhi it was difficult to have an open economy because the Western powers with capital would've been back as colonialists through the economic backdoor. We had to bide our time until the world was ready to play ball with the "third world". So it's not proper to say Mrs Gandhi was a statist. It's what was required at the time.
@@thepeacefulwarrior2879 I agree with you. However she needed convincing and that came from LK Jha no less, who first proposed the dismantling of the post of Controller of Capital Issues ( a post he held a good 30 years earlier) . The point is that though she was a statist, it was because of the economic situation obtaining then and she was quite mentally flexible enough in accepting that the winds of change in the early 80’s coincided with the time Thatcher and Reagan were defining the economic agendas of their respective countries influenced in part by ideas from the Chicago school and also from Hayek.
The most stylish patriotic and charismatic of PMs .very cool ax they would say nowadays
Emergency had to be clamped due to direct US interference in India affairs as Indira disregarded USA, at that point of time, Indira took many pro-poor initiatives which angered the rich class. Land reforms is one such policy, the rich were supposed to give up their land to the poor. Next she discontinued purse for Kings & queens, which angered influential rich. RSS & opposition was fomenting trouble in India by US support/funds.
Emergency didn't affect poor or common man but only rich, influential & anti-nationals.
Indira will remain the most gracious bold & pro-poor PM of India for ever. In spite of India being poor, India commanded highest respect under her leadership
Can i get the same strong stuff you are smoking?
All Congressi smoke Afghani hashish. It is said to increase sycophancy and stupidity
Dr. Kiran Bedi didn't file her nails on duty and can be very called as Iron lady. Sir Sam Manekshaw was Iron man too. Historical facts can not be denied. People of India who prioritize their duty over families are more patriotic than priority of family dynasty.
Lal Bahadur Shastri
Indira Gandhi was and all of you (Mr. Thapar and his guests) still are very concerned about big things and trivial things for the rich and powerful. She had nothing to do with the 80 percent of the Indians who could not meet their basic needs. She won the election on GARIBI HATAO but when a year later or so Khushwant Singh asked her what she planned to do about poverty, she told him that the initiative had to come from the public! WOW!! She apparently never read her father's Tryst-with-Destiny speech on 15 August 1947.
Very informative interview. But there is a factual error. V V Giri was not the President of India at the time of Prince Charles Wedding in 1981.
I remember the interview you had with former cm of TN Jayalalitha, I am sure you wont' forget it either for all the good reasons
Indira Gandhi should have asked the British to give back the wealth they looted from India like the Kohinoor diamond etc. The Kohinoor belonged to a temple in Andhrapradesh
Dinner menu, seating at formal dinners a love of British royalty and worrying about what the foreign press was writing- these were the concerns of our former PM! We have come a long way in getting rid of our colonial mindset!
I can’t quite decide whether Mr Garekhan is just indiscreet or charming or twinkly. However he does draw an extraordinary portrait, in a manner, of Indira Gandhi.
The claim that V.V. Giri insisted on attending Prince Charles's wedding and denied Indira Gandhi the chance to attend is inaccurate. V.V. Giri served as the President of India from 1969 to 1974, concluding his term long before Prince Charles's wedding to Diana in 1981. Therefore, there is no basis to suggest that Giri insisted on attending that particular event and prevented Indira Gandhi from attending.
In 1981, N. Sanjiva Reddy held the position of President of India. However, there is no historical evidence or documentation to indicate that President Reddy attended Prince Charles's wedding, thus denying Indira Gandhi the opportunity to attend. It is worth noting that Indira Gandhi might have desired to attend Princess Anne's wedding in 1973, but her plans were likely disrupted due to President Giri's insistence on attending.
✌ keep going thapper
Why isn't the name and formal designation of the interviewee mentioned in the video description?
This kind of revelation- much after the person about whom matters are being discussed- is long dead and cannot refute whatever is being put out- is condemnable and should not be attempted.
All the officers literally shit in their pants in front of PM Indira! Few exceptions were there! She was a very strong-willed lady! Great Interview, Karan!
Mr. Thapar: You must read Flying Troika. It is the diary of KPS Menon, Nehru's ambassador to Stalin's USSR. Excellent prose! And you may like to read "Roses in December" by MC Chagla. Parts of the book deal with his terms as envoy to Britain and US and our occasional representative to the United Nations. Very good prose! You will also learn a lot about Jinnah, his mentor, whom he almost never liked.
Hi Karan, I loved the interaction - its simplicity and its balanced approach. I would love to 'hear' the book, but its Audible version is unavailable. Could you kindly convey to Mr Gharekhan that people would love to have that, please?
This man is speaks for Congress
Quite interesting of a wonderful politician.
Unable to figure out the name of the gentleman - from the title & description ! Is this intentional?
CR Gharekhan for those interested en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinmaya_Gharekhan
Quite an insightful interview, goes on to show the human side of our political leaders and how deeply flawed they can be as individuals in their private lives.
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It is alleged that she laid the path to opening locks to babri masjid but came to her son to accomplish it. Which is such a pity .
Chamcha are getting emotional😭😭
And now we have colonised the coloniser, life always comes a full circle
Mr Gharekhan was a colleague of my father, and a friend of my parents. But I think both he and Karan Thapar are perhaps confusing personalities when talking about which President went to Prince (now King) Charles's wedding. It must have been N Sanjeeva Reddy, not VV Giri.
What the heck are you taking Thapar? religiosity is one thing but superstitions another? religiosity is just one step further from superstition, all you consider superstition now once were religiosity.
The concept of god itself is superstition once you realized that it's just a concept human made to understand their inability to understand the nature.
Mr.K.Thapar you are great learned &renowned man. I feel you are wasting your knowledge time on unnecesary things. Today 100 karod logonko to get one time meal isa problem
ofcourse PM does not have time for poor people he has to look after Amirs of this country. Atleast people educated like you should think of poor hungry people of India.!
Very interesting and enjoyable but one is surprised by the lack of reference to the biggest incident of her political career viz the emergency.
Nobel is small thing for Bapu & Smt. Indra Gandhi.
Thanks a lot sir for your informative vedioes and interviews .
Karan Thapar is good in probing questions and the manner he asked questions irked many.Madam Jayalathaaji got annoyed with him and left in the middle.
On Alexander: what is the big deal to agree with it?
This is an excellent interview. Unfortunately Rajiv was a visionary whose job was unfinished. Life sadly cut short.
Indira Gandhi made a big mistake buy giving Katchathevu without any discussions which had big problems for our fisherman
Kindly bring in more discussion on what can be done to bring in wrong doers ,,who do not deliver their own words.❤❤😂
and what was the point again. ??
I see, soo she was another admirer of our colonizers.
No mention of the name of the gentleman guest.
What I gather from this interview is, Mrs. IG probably reacted as a female towards this man, not as a prime minister.
I do watch and enjoy your interviews on the The Wire. But whenever I try to donate or contribute or subscribe to The Wire I find only Indian citizens are allowed to do so, though the founder-editor of The Wire is himself a US citizen.
one of the best episodes
. kudos KT....❤
India still hasn’t had a PM it needs to unravel its potential
Ditto!
Modi is the one.
Imagine sucking up to the Brits 🙄
Karan Thapar lighten up 🙄 I have never seen anyone so horrified by nail filing..
Nail filing in important meetings?. 🙄
Elite people and their elitist obsessions!
A secular democrat succumbed to partisan , narrow , ill conceived act of attacking her own people( albeit wayward , ) with tanks ,guns and destroyed Akaltakht , so much of Sri Darbar sahib . I blame her advisors with definite RSS leanings .