And it's funny because Savathun knows that she sounds like that but there's no way Luzaku gets any of these subtle analogies. Savvy is doing it all to amuse herself and us.
@@scribejay I feel like it’s partly that and partly because her base desire stretching back to pre worm gods was simply to be a mother and we’re seeing her being able to express that properly, since excising her worm, for the first time
@@rubydrake3642 It's not. "I want to be a mother not because I want to spawn but because I want a long life. Long enough to make a difference." - "Needle and Worm", Book of Sorrow
@@scribejay eh, could have feasibly changed after her first spawn I guess and was just stymied by her worm’s pact, experiencing motherhood can change one’s views on the subject and all It’s honestly the only explanation I can think of that in regards to Savathuns dialogue here tbh
It makes sense, she’s always highly valued individual thought regardless of the power it gave her, this is proof that her devotion to the light has increased complexity within her brood and led to new outcomes
You know what...this is oddly wholesome. I expected Savathun to be annoyed some of brood had deserted and could *potentially* join the coalition. Instead she's thrilled that she's defy the millennia of Hive dogma and is striking it out on her own, to Choose her own fate.
Luzaku has more benefit of the doubt than Savathun. Savathun has millions of years of past actions going against her and plenty of recent ones against us specifically. Luzaku is straight up a New Light trying to find her own way.
Savathun treating Luzaku like her grown up child is one thing but the fact that Luz expects Savvy to toy with and annoy her and calls her Sky Mother makes it superb.
I love how Savathûn, Hive God of Deceit, who has been responsible for the collapse of who knows how many civilisations and was the catalyst for the entire story of the hive, uses phrases like "noodle on that one, sweetie"
I think it makes sense with her persona too. Both Oryx and Xivu use very archaic and dramatic vocabulary because they wanna be larger than life and take their godhood very seriously. Savathun is all about trickery and lulling people into a false sense of security or comfort, so it's understandable she'd used silly phrases to make herself seem less dangerous than she actually is.
Never letting go that in Truth to Power, Savathun uses the phrase "A real humdinger of a scheme." Granted nothing in that book should be regarded as real, but the fact Savathun would have herself use that vernacular is so spectacular.
@@GenericName0042 No, she outright states she wanted to be a mother. They wouldn't choose morphs based on longest lives because they were gaining immortality lol
Say, is that kind of a saying in english speaking countries? I have never heard that and now I have to redo that lost sector until I can hear that dialogue in german to see what Savathun says to her there 😆
@@khornethebloodgod4155 yeah what she meant by it came over well enough, but I did not know that noodle is a colloquialism for brain. (Also I will google that word 'colloquialism' since I have never read it before 🤣)
@@stuffandthings617 if you see this and have replayed that lost sector to get the German dialogue, I'd love to know what the German word is in the script. I hardly speak any German, but would imagine "denken" or "überlegen" is used in place of that phrase. Unless there is another colloquialism or idiom in German in its place!
110% on that one. I'm tired of almost every character in Destiny being skeptical about Savathun, wondering if she's going to do something evil or whatever, but to me, I see her helping out in her own way, even if it can be a little...chaotic at times.
@@WrathNebula321 They are 100% correct in beeing skeptical. Yes, Savathun is helping out, because its in her own interest. She also tried to protect the Traveler while condemning Humanity to extinction during Witch Queen. She is helping us out now, cause that is the most efficient way for her to realize her Goals, not out of any kind of Loyalty. Shes not an friend. Shes just currently not an active enemy
@@centimanj8916ironically tho to me that makes her the most trustworthy. We know what to expect with her and can literally always count on her helping in some way shape or form. Shit she was helping wayyy before we even made contact with her. Sure she has her motivates but thats it with her. I rather a reliable helper for there own reasons then someone only mindlessly helping and then when shit hits the fan they can't think for themselves cough cough Zavala
@@WrathNebula321 They should be skeptical! She did So many Things in the lore, even after her transformation into a light bearer. Remember how the kristalls we used in season of the witch were created. She sacuficed her own brood to creat them without a second thought. And her help was unnecessarily complicated. We had to defeat Xivu Arath first and the had to solve all her riddles in the imbaru engine. And why? Because she wanted to give her brood within the traveller more time to take over the peal heart. Wer should never trust her. Remember, her help helpes always herself!
@@NamiTheAlpha You know that her worm said, she was a reason for the traveler to survive and NOT humanity. Also Savathun believed the Witnesses lie on Fundament. She is not better than Zavala. She even convinced her sisters to keep going, when they wanted to go back.
she sounds proud , like even if Luzaku ends up working against her. This is what she did it for , her people to be free of the witness and have a chance to carve there own path
I mean its her own fault her people including herself became pawns of the Witness. Its something that will always burn her deep down, in her mind she probably believes Luzaku risking it all is the only way for the Hive or well whatever's left of the Krill to be truly free. Least thats what im going with cuz sheesh Savathun has been alive for so long and has gonr through so much crazines you have to be insane to mortals.
savathun is soo used to talking with the vanguard that shes became more sassy now while luzaku is trying to understand human language and speak it well.
@@scribejay well because the fact luzaku can understand human english well means shes been studying humankind for awhile while savathun has been studying em for centuries and knows their talk and be more sassier to em which is why everyone is freaked out whenever she shows up.
@@scribejay Because it's a three-way (or wider, considering we have open channel with the all of coalition) conversation from our point of view. Savathun wanted us to hear this conversation and understand clearly (though I'd assume we know the Hive language at this point, thanks to Eris)
Savathune sounded more genuine in that short conversation than in any of her other dialogue. She let her mask slip just a little bit. I think she's trying to save her people. Given eons of Hive dogma, she can't just come out and shake things up and force change. Savathune has done the one thing her sisters never did. She gave those in her brood a choice. Stick to the black and white Sword Logic, or grow beyond it and make up your own mind. It is going to be a slow change, but Luzaku is the first of what will hopefully become many. I still maintain that Savathune plays the villain in order to ensure that heros will raise and grow strong enough to fight the true monsters that will appear.
Savvy has been poking Earth even before Collapse, Osiris probably is the one learning slang from her lol. She just likes to use funky words like humdinger
Savathun before her death was probably aware of the Witness's deception that enslaved the Krill as the Hive. Freeing them of this mistake is probably something she always wanted, but didn't happen until Luzaku started going off on her own.
It's nice to see savathun reflecting on what the hive have become after being manipulated by the witness back in they day. Also good on Luzaku, we stan our lucent queen!
Knew it Honestly let’s be glad savthun loved her kids. She just has to well keep the mass of them from randomly rejoining the normal hive. Eventually others will question and she will give them answers.
If this really is what Savathun wants of her Lucent Hive, I'm not sure where Savathun's story will go. There will be a lot of implications if more Lucent Hive other than Luzaku decide to strike out on their own. Even Dual Destiny, if you make the choice to "Spare", points towards Savathun just wanting us to make our own choice, not bound by "the game". But the question remains what Savathun's own choices will be.
From what I undestand she wants to break the forth wall and unbound herself from her role ain the script....or she desired to regain control over darkness and wield it in harmony like player do, to serve no god
Yeah, the online lore/twitter takeover kinda showed she understands there's a world beyond the Destiny universe. She guesses the Guardian is controlled by us and that we are subject to Bungie's limitations. She wants to be free of that. It could be why she questiones death. Perhaps she's finding a way to break into our reality and has decided she doesnt die in her reality if she can enter our reality. Perhaps then she is proud of Luzaku, as Luzaku is sorta meta-gaming the game by choosing her own fate in the Light instead of being forced into hierarchy from the Hive. But then, Luzaku only exists by Bungie. So, perhaps not?
I think the big shakeup in the hive that’s coming in heresy is a breakdown of the hierarchy of the hive, with the sword logic all but gone I could see the hive breaking out into hundreds of broods or just a completely decentralised structure altogether
I feel like this was... genuine kindness from Savathun. Shes actually proud of Luzaku for finding her own path, free from the tithing, free from the worthless loyalty to a hierarchy.
I find it oddly jarring that Savathûn talks not like the other traditional Hive but more with human vernacular. It works for her but still it is odd in a way. Feels like she might have been too invested in our culture.
She more kril than hive. The hives history’s can be simplified to murder to survive and test other life. Kinda hard to focus on speech when that worm needs to be fed. Possibly witches have time for that stuff.
I’d assume Hive don’t understand empathetic emotions like humans do since they under rage, violence, and vengeance like what Oryx did after he lost his son. Savathun seems to be more understanding of humanity. How fragile but strong they are and how free they are to pick their own fates unlike the hive who were born into hierarchy society that feed on violence
@archon7105 There is a lore entry believed to be from Savathuns perspective where she envies humanity and their bonds. Could be a dangerous perspective.
Being on speaking terms (kinda) with a Hive God is amazing enough. But to be present while she actually talks to one of her brood is another. Hers and Luzaku's interaction is so interesting. It's like she's a mom praising her daughter for striking it out on her own instead of staying in the family business.
Sigh… they’re going to make me not want to kill her anymore. Witch Queen already made me feel sorry for her, but now they’re going to make her a frien-emy?! Stop torturing me!
I had a feeling that Savathun's ultimate goal wasn't to supplant humanity as The Traveler's chosen defenders, but to set them free from the deal she and her siblings made eons ago, and Luzaku seems to be the first non-god hive to finally break free of it mentally and make her own fate. Makes me hopeful to see more hive break off from other broods and reassert their freedom.
I hope they make a whole Lucent Hive fireteam for Luzaku. We keep fighting the Void Titans and Solar Hunters, give her one of each and make them our allies.
I almost like it - I do, I get the stereotypes they are going for and i love it - Savathun is one of my favorite characters - but..."honey" "sweetie" just kills the immersion for me for a second
I love how all the Hive have an almost Shakespearean dialect when speaking. Oryx, Luzaku, Xivû Arath but Savathûn legit talks like she’s from Earth in like the 70’s 😭
I have a feeling this was what Savathun wants. Her Hive, even blessed with light, are still clinging to the broken logic they follow for centuries. To keep her power over her brood, she must keep playing the game else she loses her brood. Luzaku hopefully is the first of many of her brood that rejects the Sword Logic and thus make their own fate.
@@dragonmangames2523 its not about the Plan its the culture of her Brood... The design of the Throne World suggests a gentle garden that was built with the Light in mind and is filled with the worship of statues and tombs and water and plants (rebirth symbolisms) The Throne World was prepared to be able to accept the Light but the culture of the Lucent Brood was caught umprepared and the lore of the Witch Queen expansion explains how they were not able to cope with the change. Either the writers or Savathun forget to prepare the Hive
Conversations like this with Savathun are rare, but I think it show's that she and her brood are potentially the first allies we could have with the Hive. Savvy doesn't really WANT to fight the guardians, but she is still tied to some of the old ways, like the sword logic. Her brood fighting guardians makes the guardians STRONGER in her eyes. And I do think she schemes far less than everyone thinks at this point. It's just hard to trust someone that was literally the Hive God of Deception for billions of years. That kind of history makes someone terribly untrustworthy. And I also believed her when she said she was sorry for Cayde's death. Her only intention was to bust out Uldren to further her plans, never to kill one of the Vanguard leaders. That event ALONE was enough to almost derail all of her plans, and probably set her back quite a ways since it made it almost impossible to build trust with the Vanguard.
I wonder if Luzaku is a direct descendant of savathun. Savathun seems to use her children like trump cards like Balwur for Oryx, Marlok for Xivu and Dul Incaru for Mara. It would be ironic having one of her kids actually having a greater purpose than being a tool to hold down her adversaries.
@Jay-ix4ej she basically is in hiding atm from the end of the season of the witch. Also losing access to her throne world might of made it harder/impossible for her to do the "teleportation your whole army on the enemy world" she constantly uses. That being said, unlike Savathun, her worm is still in her, and no doubt she has to be close to starving do to her being so passive. So she has to act soon.
Savathun sounds like a mom when her kid moves out for college haha
And it's funny because Savathun knows that she sounds like that but there's no way Luzaku gets any of these subtle analogies. Savvy is doing it all to amuse herself and us.
Well that’s going to sting a little in the future.
@@scribejay I feel like it’s partly that and partly because her base desire stretching back to pre worm gods was simply to be a mother and we’re seeing her being able to express that properly, since excising her worm, for the first time
@@rubydrake3642 It's not.
"I want to be a mother not because I want to spawn but because I want a long life. Long enough to make a difference." - "Needle and Worm", Book of Sorrow
@@scribejay eh, could have feasibly changed after her first spawn I guess and was just stymied by her worm’s pact, experiencing motherhood can change one’s views on the subject and all
It’s honestly the only explanation I can think of that in regards to Savathuns dialogue here tbh
Savathun being a proud mother is something I never expected that I want to see.
Well, that’s what she wanted to be before the Witness, back when she and her sisters were Krill.
It makes sense, she’s always highly valued individual thought regardless of the power it gave her, this is proof that her devotion to the light has increased complexity within her brood and led to new outcomes
Meanwhile, her actual daughter is still stuck in that time loop. Who cares though? Luzaku is so much better.
@@scribejay wait, what? enlighten me
@@mikael100100 Dul Incaru, the Wizard you fight at the end of the Shattered Throne Dungeon, is one of Savathun's daughters.
You know what...this is oddly wholesome. I expected Savathun to be annoyed some of brood had deserted and could *potentially* join the coalition. Instead she's thrilled that she's defy the millennia of Hive dogma and is striking it out on her own, to Choose her own fate.
Luzaku has more benefit of the doubt than Savathun. Savathun has millions of years of past actions going against her and plenty of recent ones against us specifically. Luzaku is straight up a New Light trying to find her own way.
@@Techhunter_Talon luzu isn't actually a new light :D she's quite old, actually. she's from Witch queen, we alreayd ahd lore on her :D
@@mikael100100 that's basically a new light in guardian years
I mean that what she sees in herself. Leaving the darkness and her sword logic ways and embracing the light. She’s proud someone is taking in
Savathun took part in creating the coalition, why would she be annoyed that any hive joined it?
Savathun treating Luzaku like her grown up child is one thing but the fact that Luz expects Savvy to toy with and annoy her and calls her Sky Mother makes it superb.
I love how Savathûn, Hive God of Deceit, who has been responsible for the collapse of who knows how many civilisations and was the catalyst for the entire story of the hive, uses phrases like "noodle on that one, sweetie"
I think it makes sense with her persona too. Both Oryx and Xivu use very archaic and dramatic vocabulary because they wanna be larger than life and take their godhood very seriously. Savathun is all about trickery and lulling people into a false sense of security or comfort, so it's understandable she'd used silly phrases to make herself seem less dangerous than she actually is.
Never letting go that in Truth to Power, Savathun uses the phrase "A real humdinger of a scheme." Granted nothing in that book should be regarded as real, but the fact Savathun would have herself use that vernacular is so spectacular.
@@MazHazPazzaz And while I realize she was pretending to be Osiris at the time, hearing her roast her sister is just as hilarious
Savathûn, or rather Sathona, always wanted to be a mother...
Very true
Yes. Her truest truth.
An act not of the Witch Queen. But as the Osmium Queen.
Well...no, she wanted to take the mother morph because they lives the longest lol
@@GenericName0042 No, she outright states she wanted to be a mother. They wouldn't choose morphs based on longest lives because they were gaining immortality lol
Noodle on that one sweetie is the funniest line of the entire expansion!
Say, is that kind of a saying in english speaking countries? I have never heard that and now I have to redo that lost sector until I can hear that dialogue in german to see what Savathun says to her there 😆
@@stuffandthings617”noodle” is a colloquialism or slang for brain. She’s basically telling her to think about what she said.
@@khornethebloodgod4155 yeah what she meant by it came over well enough, but I did not know that noodle is a colloquialism for brain. (Also I will google that word 'colloquialism' since I have never read it before 🤣)
@@stuffandthings617 if you see this and have replayed that lost sector to get the German dialogue, I'd love to know what the German word is in the script.
I hardly speak any German, but would imagine "denken" or "überlegen" is used in place of that phrase. Unless there is another colloquialism or idiom in German in its place!
Happy to do oodles of noodling with Savathun😏
I love that pretty much the whole community looked at Luzaku and said, "I just met her, but if anything happened to her, I'll fight the universe."
You can never say it enough: Savathun is a fantastic character!
110% on that one. I'm tired of almost every character in Destiny being skeptical about Savathun, wondering if she's going to do something evil or whatever, but to me, I see her helping out in her own way, even if it can be a little...chaotic at times.
@@WrathNebula321 They are 100% correct in beeing skeptical. Yes, Savathun is helping out, because its in her own interest. She also tried to protect the Traveler while condemning Humanity to extinction during Witch Queen.
She is helping us out now, cause that is the most efficient way for her to realize her Goals, not out of any kind of Loyalty. Shes not an friend. Shes just currently not an active enemy
@@centimanj8916ironically tho to me that makes her the most trustworthy. We know what to expect with her and can literally always count on her helping in some way shape or form. Shit she was helping wayyy before we even made contact with her. Sure she has her motivates but thats it with her. I rather a reliable helper for there own reasons then someone only mindlessly helping and then when shit hits the fan they can't think for themselves cough cough Zavala
@@WrathNebula321 They should be skeptical! She did So many Things in the lore, even after her transformation into a light bearer. Remember how the kristalls we used in season of the witch were created. She sacuficed her own brood to creat them without a second thought. And her help was unnecessarily complicated. We had to defeat Xivu Arath first and the had to solve all her riddles in the imbaru engine. And why? Because she wanted to give her brood within the traveller more time to take over the peal heart.
Wer should never trust her. Remember, her help helpes always herself!
@@NamiTheAlpha You know that her worm said, she was a reason for the traveler to survive and NOT humanity.
Also Savathun believed the Witnesses lie on Fundament. She is not better than Zavala. She even convinced her sisters to keep going, when they wanted to go back.
she sounds proud , like even if Luzaku ends up working against her. This is what she did it for , her people to be free of the witness and have a chance to carve there own path
I mean its her own fault her people including herself became pawns of the Witness. Its something that will always burn her deep down, in her mind she probably believes Luzaku risking it all is the only way for the Hive or well whatever's left of the Krill to be truly free. Least thats what im going with cuz sheesh Savathun has been alive for so long and has gonr through so much crazines you have to be insane to mortals.
savathun is soo used to talking with the vanguard that shes became more sassy now while luzaku is trying to understand human language and speak it well.
Wait, why was this conversation in human language? The answer is, I know, so we can understand it but why did the Guardian need to understand it?
@@scribejay well because the fact luzaku can understand human english well means shes been studying humankind for awhile while savathun has been studying em for centuries and knows their talk and be more sassier to em which is why everyone is freaked out whenever she shows up.
@@scribejay Because it's a three-way (or wider, considering we have open channel with the all of coalition) conversation from our point of view. Savathun wanted us to hear this conversation and understand clearly (though I'd assume we know the Hive language at this point, thanks to Eris)
“Noodle on that one sweetie”. GOD I LOVE SAVATHUN.
My favorite moment was when The Witch Queen said “Beyond Life? Beyond Light!” and proceeded to Lightfall over the Final Shape
She said Beyond Death, Beyond Life
Savathune sounded more genuine in that short conversation than in any of her other dialogue. She let her mask slip just a little bit.
I think she's trying to save her people. Given eons of Hive dogma, she can't just come out and shake things up and force change. Savathune has done the one thing her sisters never did. She gave those in her brood a choice.
Stick to the black and white Sword Logic, or grow beyond it and make up your own mind.
It is going to be a slow change, but Luzaku is the first of what will hopefully become many.
I still maintain that Savathune plays the villain in order to ensure that heros will raise and grow strong enough to fight the true monsters that will appear.
Literally the best character theyve made Sava is soo dope. And her VA murders it Everytime
Line's like this just shows that savathun is the BEST d2 character
Man, Savathun was really affected by her time pretending to be Osiris, picking up on all the human slang and everything.
Honestly, being Osiris is probably the most damaging event anything has done to her because that man is f*cking insane.
Savvy has been poking Earth even before Collapse, Osiris probably is the one learning slang from her lol. She just likes to use funky words like humdinger
@@Azrael_Equinox I miss when Osiris was savathun
"What is this? Love? Compassion? A warmness throbs and spreads through my chest..."
"I do not want it."
Savathun before her death was probably aware of the Witness's deception that enslaved the Krill as the Hive. Freeing them of this mistake is probably something she always wanted, but didn't happen until Luzaku started going off on her own.
When I first saw Luzaku, my immediate thought was “Savathun is going to be so proud” and I’m glad my knee jerk reaction was right.
It's nice to see savathun reflecting on what the hive have become after being manipulated by the witness back in they day.
Also good on Luzaku, we stan our lucent queen!
Knew it
Honestly let’s be glad savthun loved her kids. She just has to well keep the mass of them from randomly rejoining the normal hive. Eventually others will question and she will give them answers.
meanwhile, dul incaru, who is still perpetually trapped in the dreaming city cycle: :(
@@idkwhatcoolnametouse8987safety I guess
If this really is what Savathun wants of her Lucent Hive, I'm not sure where Savathun's story will go. There will be a lot of implications if more Lucent Hive other than Luzaku decide to strike out on their own. Even Dual Destiny, if you make the choice to "Spare", points towards Savathun just wanting us to make our own choice, not bound by "the game".
But the question remains what Savathun's own choices will be.
From what I undestand she wants to break the forth wall and unbound herself from her role ain the script....or she desired to regain control over darkness and wield it in harmony like player do, to serve no god
Yeah, the online lore/twitter takeover kinda showed she understands there's a world beyond the Destiny universe. She guesses the Guardian is controlled by us and that we are subject to Bungie's limitations. She wants to be free of that. It could be why she questiones death. Perhaps she's finding a way to break into our reality and has decided she doesnt die in her reality if she can enter our reality.
Perhaps then she is proud of Luzaku, as Luzaku is sorta meta-gaming the game by choosing her own fate in the Light instead of being forced into hierarchy from the Hive. But then, Luzaku only exists by Bungie. So, perhaps not?
@@SALEENS7GTR5what happened on Twitter? I don’t use it
I think the big shakeup in the hive that’s coming in heresy is a breakdown of the hierarchy of the hive, with the sword logic all but gone I could see the hive breaking out into hundreds of broods or just a completely decentralised structure altogether
That could either be very good for the universe or very very bad for the universe.
I feel like this was... genuine kindness from Savathun. Shes actually proud of Luzaku for finding her own path, free from the tithing, free from the worthless loyalty to a hierarchy.
I find it oddly jarring that Savathûn talks not like the other traditional Hive but more with human vernacular. It works for her but still it is odd in a way. Feels like she might have been too invested in our culture.
She more kril than hive. The hives history’s can be simplified to murder to survive and test other life. Kinda hard to focus on speech when that worm needs to be fed. Possibly witches have time for that stuff.
I think part of It was her time as Osiris.
I’d assume Hive don’t understand empathetic emotions like humans do since they under rage, violence, and vengeance like what Oryx did after he lost his son. Savathun seems to be more understanding of humanity. How fragile but strong they are and how free they are to pick their own fates unlike the hive who were born into hierarchy society that feed on violence
@archon7105 There is a lore entry believed to be from Savathuns perspective where she envies humanity and their bonds. Could be a dangerous perspective.
@@rexthewolf3149 She (or someone trying to imitate her) talked like this before that. "Humdinger of a scheme."
Being on speaking terms (kinda) with a Hive God is amazing enough. But to be present while she actually talks to one of her brood is another. Hers and Luzaku's interaction is so interesting. It's like she's a mom praising her daughter for striking it out on her own instead of staying in the family business.
I don't trust savathun but this is kinda nice she is proud of one of her brood for choosing her own path
God I love Savathun so much man
I really love it when Savathun talks like a sassy mother
"Shut up, mom! Get out of my room!"
Sigh… they’re going to make me not want to kill her anymore. Witch Queen already made me feel sorry for her, but now they’re going to make her a frien-emy?! Stop torturing me!
I wish this conversation was animated in 2D/3D
It would look sooooo good
Out of all things I wanted out of this expansion, I never expected a Hive god being a good M̶o̶m̶m̶y̶ mother.
I had a feeling that Savathun's ultimate goal wasn't to supplant humanity as The Traveler's chosen defenders, but to set them free from the deal she and her siblings made eons ago, and Luzaku seems to be the first non-god hive to finally break free of it mentally and make her own fate. Makes me hopeful to see more hive break off from other broods and reassert their freedom.
Savathun will probably get millions of guardians asking for her blessing to marry her daughter
Holy shit, I love them. Oyakodon.
I hope they make a whole Lucent Hive fireteam for Luzaku. We keep fighting the Void Titans and Solar Hunters, give her one of each and make them our allies.
Sathona gain long life and being a mother.
I almost like it - I do, I get the stereotypes they are going for and i love it - Savathun is one of my favorite characters - but..."honey" "sweetie" just kills the immersion for me for a second
Finally, the thing we were waiting for from this channel since TFS dropped.
Everytime I think Savathun is a great caracter Bungie drops huge bombs that make her perfect
"GET BACK IN THERE TEAR"
I hope we get more Luzaku lore. It's cool to see something that was once an enemy be our friend.
Luzaku completely won me over in record time.
Savathun been around humans for to long 😂 "noodle on that one sweetie."
why are the hive some of my favourite characters
Can’t wait to fill the luzakussy 🥰
Further evidence as to why Savathun is easily my favourite character in Destiny now.
Who up noodlin on that one rn?
We love her❤
I love how all the Hive have an almost Shakespearean dialect when speaking. Oryx, Luzaku, Xivû Arath but Savathûn legit talks like she’s from Earth in like the 70’s 😭
She has spent a fair bit studying us before using Osiris as a disguise.
I absolutely love it
I have a feeling this was what Savathun wants. Her Hive, even blessed with light, are still clinging to the broken logic they follow for centuries. To keep her power over her brood, she must keep playing the game else she loses her brood. Luzaku hopefully is the first of many of her brood that rejects the Sword Logic and thus make their own fate.
Girl you had thousands of years to prepare your Lucent Brood through social engineering and avoid the same problems that had plagued the normal Hive
True 😂
@@Connor-Skywalker She needed Ghosts first, or her plan to defy The Witness and her worm wouldn't have worked.
the worm issue
@@dragonmangames2523 its not about the Plan its the culture of her Brood... The design of the Throne World suggests a gentle garden that was built with the Light in mind and is filled with the worship of statues and tombs and water and plants (rebirth symbolisms)
The Throne World was prepared to be able to accept the Light but the culture of the Lucent Brood was caught umprepared and the lore of the Witch Queen expansion explains how they were not able to cope with the change.
Either the writers or Savathun forget to prepare the Hive
Conversations like this with Savathun are rare, but I think it show's that she and her brood are potentially the first allies we could have with the Hive. Savvy doesn't really WANT to fight the guardians, but she is still tied to some of the old ways, like the sword logic. Her brood fighting guardians makes the guardians STRONGER in her eyes. And I do think she schemes far less than everyone thinks at this point. It's just hard to trust someone that was literally the Hive God of Deception for billions of years. That kind of history makes someone terribly untrustworthy.
And I also believed her when she said she was sorry for Cayde's death. Her only intention was to bust out Uldren to further her plans, never to kill one of the Vanguard leaders. That event ALONE was enough to almost derail all of her plans, and probably set her back quite a ways since it made it almost impossible to build trust with the Vanguard.
Savathun is very human-like in how she speaks in this expansion 😂
Savathun tries noodle while disguised as osiris in the last city while luzaku haven't tried before
Someone buy luzaku a ticket for a trip in the city
The river is screams.
FELLOW SUNSPOT ENJOYER
sunshot
sunspots be a titan thing
I recently got back into the game for Final Shape and I see that Sunshot is still going strong.
Interesting, it makes it seems like Savathun is mistaken, that Luzaku thinks the way she does because Death no Longer means what it used to.
I wonder if Luzaku is a direct descendant of savathun. Savathun seems to use her children like trump cards like Balwur for Oryx, Marlok for Xivu and Dul Incaru for Mara. It would be ironic having one of her kids actually having a greater purpose than being a tool to hold down her adversaries.
One bad bitch
With a baddie friend
Weird to hear Savathun being genuine with someone even if it’s one of her kids.
Sooo...
Is she like 8 days old ooor ?
Everyone be like Savathussy, but no one ever be like Luzakussy. 😩
Silence, lustful fiend.
What happened to Xivu Arath?
Still alive and very killable. Likely we won't get a lot on her till Herasy, the third episode of this year.
@@darmorel549 okay, I thought I missed something bc I remember they had to get through Xivu before pursuing the witness
@Jay-ix4ej she basically is in hiding atm from the end of the season of the witch. Also losing access to her throne world might of made it harder/impossible for her to do the "teleportation your whole army on the enemy world" she constantly uses. That being said, unlike Savathun, her worm is still in her, and no doubt she has to be close to starving do to her being so passive. So she has to act soon.
@@darmorel549she could be doing a quick drive by of some random alien civilisation to satiate her worm’s hunger.
this makes me less paranoid that she's a spy
but since it's savathûn this then reverses itself and makes me more paranoid that she's a spy
Savanthûn: It seems I am a Spy, gentlemen! Surprise!