FSU got totally screwed by the playoff committee. I'm a clemson fan & it pizzed me off. ACC did not hold up to their end of the bargain & did nothing to assure the playoff they earned.
It wasn't up to the ACC. Your conference is weak and everyone knows it. FSU played a horrible Louisville team for the conference championship. It's a watered down conference and now that the TV revenue is so far behind the SEC and Big Ten that the big teams have to get out. FSU and Clemson need SEC or Big Ten money to keep up and stay competitive!
@@WeSRT4 I take no issue with anything you said. I agree 100%. Which is why I am all on board for the top brands leaving this miserable conference. The ACC did nothing to help FSU get what they played for. But it goes way deeper than that. The addition of 3 more teams that nobody wanted fostered by another team that isn't even a member is another thing I take issue with. The ACC sucks & I look foreword to seeing it burn to the ground.
@@unc0mm0n2 The ACC has no real clout and if they had tried too hard it would have made that fact even more apparent. The answer is ultimately for the biggest powers in the ACC to find new homes. The conference has been watered down even worse with the new additions and things will only get worse.
@GamingHistorySource "3 teams nobody wanted fostered by a team not a member" ? What a load of crap. Every member except 3 voted in favor of adding the 3 new members AND ND is a member for all sports except football. Your statement is just wholly inaccurate, not based on facts in the least.
The Big 10 will not admit non AAU members. FSU did submit an application to the AAU last summer and it was rejected. FSU and Clemson will play in the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to expand their footprint to include Florida, Miami is the choice. The only other AAU members in Florida are UF and USF.
@@michaelhart6318that’s not even close to true. If Clemson and FSU want AAU membership, they’ll get it. Both have far better academics than Oregon, and they’re an AAU school. Big 10 will push for their approval if they want them.
GT is a premier AAU research institution, and they are in a premier TV market and recruiting region. They have a good shot at being invited to join the Big10
With the exception of being a state school, Virginia is a “Weak Sister” version of Stanford ( academics, sports, TV Market). If Fox did not want Stanford why would they want UVA?
You make a really great point! I think that the answer is that they probably don't. However, I don't think the decision is up to Fox. I believe the reality is just more complex. Sometimes the decisions are made by one set of presidents, another time by another set of presidents, and a third time by some fat-assed TV guy. The TV guy got the last pick, so someone else is on the clock! Ain't politics lovely!
UVa is in a state already contiguous to a B1G school. It is, as stated in the video, in the I 95 corridor. No travel issues to speak of and expansion down the coast. I am not sure that UVa has a major chance, but it is possible. Stanford is nearly 400 miles from LA and not near any other B1G school. It is in the same time zone as the two Pacific Northwest schools, but so what? Stanford is obviously a great school academically, but the Cardinal could actually survive as an independent with its great Olympic sports (and enormous endowment) leading the way. It is also possible that Stanford might not want to come without Cal, but we are not likely to ever find out.
It brings some important local affiliates with them for Fox, NBC, and CBS. For national networks, overwhelming majority of their revenue is now coming from retransmission and affiliate fees. They can't afford to leave behind ones in the Hampton Roads, Richmond, and Charlottesville areas.
Another interesting possible is what ESPN does. Certainly it would be much easier for ESPN to move ACC properties to the SEC than it would be to move them to FOX/B1G. It’s likely ESPN dumps the ACC contract entirely very soon. So the question is who do they think would be more valuable to keep in the SEC? & who would they be willing to let walk to their rival FOX?
Clemson is leaving. It’s not “likely to leave”. Not wasting all that money to not leave. Also, Clemson is working towards AAU, look at the Clemson Elevate initiative.
@@PulsePilgrim bwahahahaha. Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about, without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about. Top 15 all time in wins, 3 national titles, 27 conference titles, 52 bowl games, 6 playoff appearances, Top 10 in ratings, and I could go on. They’re one of the 3 big fish left for realignment. I’m sure the big 12 will be getting more members like VaTech and Louisville, but that’s because they’re a glorified G5 conference.
Agree with nearly all of what you said, but GaTech has bigger problems. According to the Atlanta Journal & Constitution, GaTech is number 5, in Atlanta. Not even a blip in the rest of GA. In Atlanta, it is UGA, Bama, FSU, Auburn and then GaTech. That is a very long road, even with B1G money. That is a bit of a shame since GaTech has had great football teams and is fine academically.
You need a retraction on NCState : they are Major Carnegie R1 research university, have Nations Premier Research Campus, Cientennial. Are bigger than unc at chapel , have a very sec like fb fanbase. This program just painted them as another state school. NCSU academics in science and engineering are as good as or better than unc, NCState is a Premier Large Research university.
I would want Pitt and Louisville in the Big 12 especially for the Pitt and West Virginia game and Louisville and Cincinnati plus it would help with travel for the East teams in the Big 12 even though the two schools I named aren't huge football brands
@@Jamessmith-xk3fh I feel like the ACC will live on and just add the best G5’s plus PAC 2. And I would love Pitt and Louisville in the Big 12 too. Hot take but I also would love USF and maybe UConn to join the Big 12
@@ChrisJones-jn5rb it brings a good rivalry to the conference. It’s also why I really want USF in the conference for UCF. Rivalries are fun and adds high stakes to the conference that non-con rivalries can’t bring
I think Florida State and Clemson are better fits for the SEC, but then again, they might want to be associated with the more national profile that the Big Ten is building to. If they both decided that the Big Ten was their first preference and they were willing to be phased in financially, I suspect the Big Ten would be hard pressed to reject them.
North Carolina and Virginia seem like they could go Big Ten or SEC. Geographically, they would expand the SEC into contiguous areas. On the other hand, academically and athletically, including Duke, they fit more what the Big Ten is about with sports like Lacrosse and Wrestling.
I'd love to see the B1G add six schools, but doubt it would happen unless one of them was Notre Dame. If one of them were Notre Dame, would Notre Dame demand that Stanford and/or Cal come with them?
As much as the B1G may want ND, it is not worth taking on the dead weight of Cal, or even Stanford. Maybe the B1G would accept Stanford, but never Cal. The B1G schools have made it clear that they will not add schools that do not, at the least, add the $80 to $100 million per school that the B1G will be earning (plus playoff money). Cal would literally add nothing financially. It is possible that Stanford would not come without Cal, so neither will go to the B1G. It is incredible what the ACC has allowed ND to do, including "recommending" Cal and Stanford. ESPN was openly unhappy with these additions, as well as SMU, since they did not add to the ACC. And the ACC earns about half of what the B1G earns.
@@observer466I believe that the B1G would absolutely take in Stanford if Notre Dame said they’d join the conference under that condition. I’m not sure that Stanford would want to abandon Cal though. I agree that neither school is overly valuable though.
@@trclark7689 I would not be surprised if the B1G agreed if ND asked for Stanford. The Cardinal would have to take a lower payout for a while, but still get a lot more than the ACC pays.
@@observer466Fox would need to bump up the current media deal like they did less than a year ago to add Washington and Oregon. Since it's in the middle of the media deal I expect any team not named Notre Dame, who is added to the B1G will at most get what Wa/Or got, half shares till 2030.
I have found that a lot of ACC fans cannot accept the concept of any outcome other than “all teams are stuck in the ACC until 2036”. Then again, PAC12 fans probably felt the same way
The Big 10 cares more about research improving more than whether people are AAU or not. It’s not a requirement to be AAU, but it’s usually a sign of commitment to research. The SEC even tries to get better research universities now.
The Carnegie Major Research Index ( NCState is R1), is a much better measure of Reasearch achievements than the old AAU marker. The AAU tag is leftover for campuses that could claim a medical school footprint. The Carnegie research level, is much better to identify schools meeting Big10 ( large major research institution) desire, than the old historical out of date AAU tag.
As a GT alum, I don’t see the big10 being interested in GT. I think the best luck for GT would be the big12. Otherwise, we are part of he reconstituted ACC or a g5. Our athletic department has become poor. Great analysis.
Is the B1G going to be under pressure to play nice w ESPN? ... re the ACC exodus, that probably means SEC gets 1st pickens Also, is the B1G under pressure to help out Stanford, Cal, Utah, etc? We know the former PAC schools are cultural fits. I mean, maybe they just go longer out west?? Would certainly help Olympic sports re travel rather than adding yet another corner if the $travel$ map
Purdue is actually N.D's biggest rival from the B1G historically they played every year for 40 straight years but I realize that most fans want to see them play the blue bloods.
Good show. Buckeye here. This the first time I've heard an intelligent discussion of B1G expansion. You guys seem to be the only channel who has heard of the B1G's "additive" rule. There is something I would like to clear up on that rule. The way AD Gene Smith described it in a press conference is that it is "additive NOW," not on the come, ten years from now. That interpretation would put UNC in a different light. They don't have the football eyeballs now to head up a B1G expansion deal. I guess they could be a Plus 1. Pete Thamel has reported that UNC and UVA are at the top of the SEC's target list. It has also been reported that the major B!G supporter in the UNC administration has moved on to MSU as president. FSU will be #19. My info is that their partner will be Miami. We agree on Clemson and Notre Dame. IMO, I don't see the B1G expanding beyond twenty-four schools because of the additive rule, and that's a stretch. My guess is Notre Dame and partner (???) and two schools in Texas.
Georgia Tech needs to add a couple of degrees beyond engineering. They need an education or similar degree for athletes if they want to move up in football. How many 5 star recruits are majoring in engineering
They do have other degrees but you’re right they have less “easy” options than other schools. Tech president has supposedly been pushing pretty hard with whatever Georgia governing council allows schools to add degree programs to get more but has been blocked numerous times. Apparently a lot of UGA alums on that board who don’t want to see tech be able to recruit better! 😂
Research dollars are worth 10x what sports dollars will bring in. I see the B10 focusing on FSU (with AAU membership) Miami, NC and possibly Virginia. The Florida market is vital for recruiting, so the B10 will take one of those schools. Another school that may consider jumping from the SEC is Tx A&M if it wants to avoid Texas. Both P2 conferences want NC, but I think it fits better in the B10. If it doesn’t get NC, I think the SEC will probably take Clemson, a Florida school, maybe NC State. Depending on how big the P2 want to get, I think Va. Tech may go to the SEC as well. At that point, I think ND will have no option but to join the B10. Once the top teams have been scooped up, the B12 will be happy to take the leftovers and match the number of the P2. Most people see the limit at 24 schools for the P2, so if offered any school will want to get into any conference before the ship is sunk. The big losers in all this will be Stanford and Cal.
what research? Do conferences outside of B10 (I guess) really provide any research benefit? It obviously doesn't seem to stop schools from wanting to switch conferences
I think anybody would take an invite from the B10 - more money and academic prestige, real or not. I forgot that they are 18 members so I think ND is the most sought-after school, then maybe stanford.. saw that scenario in another video and it makes sense, but I do know that UFL doesn't want FSU and South Carolina doesn't want Clemson.. anything is possible I guess@@elvangulley3210
Clemson & FSU best fit the SEC but does SEC need or want FSU? UNC best fits the B1G. Question is who goes w/ UNC. NCSU, UVA, Duke? UNC & Duke easily the biggest brands and best basketball which would make B1G & B12 top 2 bb conferences. Football wise UNC and NCSU is better scenario with huge jump in $s to advance their good but not great fb programs. Don’t believe NC BoG will require both schools if leaving only in a package deal.
I hate the SEC but FSU needs to be there, they just don't fit in the BIG 10. I think the SEC tries their best to keep FSU from going to Big 10 and if FSU spurns the SEC again it will be the biggest mistake they could ever make because sooner or later they're gonna regret not going there like they are now but worse. No matter what people say the SEC will always be the more though of football conference even over the BIG 10 because ESPN will always hold more weight than FOX and the playoff committee will always side with the SEC over any other conference
These guys don’t have any perspective of the SEC Or football in the south. They are way off on what the SEC would take. BTW, FSU isn’t anywhere close to being an AAU member. So your academic qualifications sound meaningless
Maybe you missed the point of this video. This discussion was about ACC schools that have a potential BIG TEN landing spot. It had nothing to do with the SEC.
@@TheBigMountainPodcastBut you can’t predict how the other side will respond if you don’t understand them. As someone as deep in this on the SEC side as you are on the BIG, I can assure you the SEC isn’t going to participate in a package deal in NC and VA where they take the scraps the BIG doesn’t want. They will sit back and watch that deal burn. Also the “gentleman’s agreement” only applies to certain schools in the east. When TAMU aligned themselves with the SECW brethren, they were excluded.
It does if you predicting about how the other side will respond. You have to understand them. They are not going to take NCST and VT to make it easy for the BIG. They will sit back and watch that deal burn.
This is what I think may happen and stress may take place but not sure will unfurl exactly like this. What I am certain of is any recreation of the PAC or something that gets all MWC schools power status or more money than AAC is not going to happen. The networks will decide ultimately whether or not schools leave, get kicked out, get added to other Autonomy Conferences, get the money for their moves, which G5 Conference organizers get a boost in revenue by new additions and new subtractions and how to be distributed. One is that only a max of 3-5 schools will leave the ACC and go to the SEC and BiG10 and nowhere else. That is if any leave, and they don’t reorganize and reconstruct the ACC into a more solid conference with detrimental performance programs removed. Two is that if they lose schools, the ACC remains a P4/A4 conference because they either prefill or backfill with appropriate schools from the PAC-2, MWC, AAC, and Big East. Those schools would be Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego State, Colorado State, Air Force, Navy, Army, USF, UConn, Villanova, Tulane, and Memphis as the top schools to be added. The third thing that ACC could do if they pass on all three of the service academies and not go after any other Big East schools except UCONN is add additional schools from other conferences not originally selected or thought of. They then (the ACC) would be targeting interest from SBC schools and would be taking in other MWC schools and AAC schools too such as: CCU, App State, Utah State, Rice, JMU, Wyoming, New Mexico, ODU, Marshall, Tulsa, Temple, Nevada, Southern Miss, UAB, UTSA, and Georgia Southern. These would all be vetted and reviewed and considered before picking four to six schools to go with the other schools added. Fourth scenario of course of action would be picking up the two schools of the PAC and one MWC school in San Diego State and add just UCONN and two AAC schools. This is because no one leaves the ACC, but it is dissolved much like what the original PAC9/10 did in the late 1950s and reorganized the ACC (like I mentioned in the last part of point one) to be more competitive and complete and complex to pick a true contender and weaker teams from as it would be balanced out with top tier teams and no true garbage teams. This possible scenario leads to my fifth and final point. Fifth overall point or things to transpire if the ACC holds together but trims the nonproductive teams or not as productive teams in football and all other sports on a consistent basis. This would be the formation of the ACC cast outside of new ACC and not added to any other P4 conferences, some really productive teams from MWC and AAC teams getting together with a few additional schools possibly from SBC and MAC and create a super strong G5/6 conference or morph into the AAC conference. They push to get 15-20 million per school with the alignment they have as a pitch to multiple networks. While it would suck for Boise State and UTSA and App State to not get in a true P4 conference and would catch some heat if it was a restructured but better AAC they all joined, it would still be better than the alternative. For the former ACC schools now in AAC or for SMU case back in AAC, it’s a dip in revenues but not a huge loss if can get 18 million dollars or 20 million dollars per year per school.
Nothing against what yall doing. Love seeing streams like this. I just think and have heard for my sources theres alot more going on behind closed doors. Theres alot i do agree with what you said too.
Sorry guys but you gave false information in your video, not only does Duke have aau status, they’ve had it since 1938. This makes me question how accurate your videos are
Yes. Our mistake. We do our videos in one take (don’t have the time to do several) and realized this error during production. Thanks for pointing that out.
@davesteller6301 | football is not driving the B10s realignment push...AT ALL. 1. Both conferences have leaked out that UNC is the most desired ACC property, correct? UNC is the ACCs 5th-6th best football brand, at best. If it was purely a football move, Clemson + FSU would be an easy choice. Media rights consultants confirm Clemson + fsu account for roughly 50% of the ACCs value. And we all know football accounts forc the heavy lifting when it comes to media rights deals. UNCs is desired due to it being an untapped tv market for both the B10 n SEC. It allows both leagues to get a higher per sub rate for their respective prestige network. Last time I checked, UW Maryland Rutgers were not football powerhouses.
The UNC athletics director is not an ACC good old boy. He actually came to UNC from the Univ of Tulsa where he was AD previously. Having said all this, as a UNC alum, here's what I think will happen: There is a rift between the powers that be in Chapel Hill. Many just don't want to leave the ACC because they believe that UNC is in essence the backbone of the conference. Others, however, believe that we risk falling behind by remaining. My guess is that the latter group will win the day and that UNC will join with Clemson and FSU to get out. I also believe that once this internal battle is settled, then UNC will move rapidly to leave. I also do not believe UNC will join the Big Ten and, rather, will opt for the SEC.
Don't forget the deal the state of North Carolina cut with the ACC in tax breaks in order to get them to move the headquarters to Charlotte, so the state has reasons for wanting the ACC to still be around. As an East Carolina Alumni, i can see the powers that be trying to keep the ACC together even if FSU and\or Clemson leave, but at the same time I can see UNC going to the SEC if the ACC is not deemed savable (with UNC striking out of conference schedule deals with NC State, Duke, and Wake).
I think when the smoke clears Carolina will be in the SEC. Regarding ECU---I attend a lot of games in Greenville---the Pirates will end up in the ACC. If ECU has a good team there is no better atmosphere.
Sorry, unless, its Texas and A&M! They aren't leaving the SEC! No other CFB teams in Texas will bring the national value or have history better than those two!
@@powell4661 I tend to agree with you, but if I were Petitti, that's where I would start. Do you agree that a B1G footprint in Texas would be a strategic move?
Georgia Tech gets in and hire Brian Hartline they become a major player same goes with UNC they hire a great B1G assistant coach like the defensive coordinator from Wisconsin he changes UNC the talent in the state of North Carolina high school football is good
IMO only FSU, Clemson and UNC have P2 landing spots (Batman schools). The next group who don’t have a P2 landing spots which I call Robin schools that would be a partner for Batman schools are: Miami, NCSt, VT. Then there are enigma schools like Duke (BB & academics) and GT (Atlanta, academics) that bring specific benefits but don’t move the FB needle. The next group are B12 like schools: Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse. The rest BC, Wake, Calford and SMU will end up homeless and may have to combine with WSU/OSU and grab MWC & AAC schools and try to stick as a # P4 conference. Totally agree with you about the 1 & 1 but for both NCSt & VT.
“Season they are ABOUT to have”. Ha! Ha! That’s an annual thing. They’ll be saying for years from now. UM gets in the SEC only if UF doesn’t object and the SEC takes at least 4 new teams. They get in the Big10 only if they take at least 4 new teams and one of the Batman teams is willing to pair with them. FSU and the Big10 would prefer to pair FSU with ND. UM is the your backup date for the prom.
@@pnut3844ableOur TV viewership dwarfs UM. When was the last time UM had a really good season? How many ACC championships has UM won? How long ago was your last National Championship? UM has been waiting for a comeback for over 20 years. Now, I’d like UM and FSU to be in the same conference because I really enjoy the rivalry. I was born and raised in Miami. However, if FSU was invited to the Big10 with ND, we wouldn’t object and that leaves UM looking for a partner and an opening. UF won’t object to UM in the SEC as strenuously as they would FSU, but UM wouldn’t be the prime target. Maybe you could get Clemson to bring you with them to the SEC.
@@jansonroberts2616 Why is that? The SEC already has Vanderbilt, another small private school that's not very good at any revenue sports. Is one enough?
Why would these Deep South schools want to leave the south and play in your conference? You guys are sunshine pumpers. The fan base of all of these schools favor playing in the SEC if the SEC will take them.
The State of Florida would be a HUGE coup for the BIG10... huge for recruiting, huge for TV media value...slam dunk! FSU vs Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, USC... awesome national games that everyone would want to see.
Big Ten could get the entire i95 corridor. UVA, UNC(Duke?), GaTech, Clemson, FSU. SEC takes VaTech, NC State(Duke?) B12 takes Miami, UL, Pitt, Syracuse (maybe) AllCoastsConference maybe merges with Big East, adds ECU and App State, Oregon State, Washington State
Miami fits the B1G there brand and history fits the B1G. Just like UNC fits the B1G. Who I think is coming to the B1G FSU Miami UNC Norte Dame. SEC gets Clemson UVA NC State and VT
They know that! Also, the B10 add Maryland and Rutgers since 2012 and 2014! Why? It wasn't about CFB. It was about area population and tv markets. They added USC and UCLA in 2022. That was about CFB, brands, state population and tv markets. The add Oregon and Washington because of CFB and increase B10 West coast to 4 teams! The B10 adding Miami and FSU give them everything CFB history, national brands, state of Florida population, Florida tv markets and Southeast presence!
Only Notre Dame has a spot reserved, which I mean, they are the only school named in the escalation clause in the media deal. Any other schools would need Fox to bump up the current media deal. They just did that less than a year ago to add Washington and Oregon. Would Fox want to bump it up again? If so, I wouldn't expect anything better than what those got, half shares till 2030.
You guys do a great job analyzing things. Enjoy watching your videos. If ACC falls apart and schools go to the B1G, SEC & B12, could you see BC, Wake, Cal-ford & SMU partnering with Washington St/Oregon State and bringing in USF, Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, CSU, AF, SDSU, UNLV, & Boise St and forming at 16’team reconstituted P4 conference?
It really depends on if the new conference wants to go national or stay more regional. There can be major costs involved with large travel distances. If they go national there are a lot of potential pickups that make sense.
Stanford and Cal would not want nor approve of Boise State or UNLV definitely. They would want Army and Navy added along with some SBC and MAC schools who have Tier-1, Carnegie-1, R-1 status and AAU status such as Toledo and Buffalo and CCU and Rice and UNT and other more academically qualified MWC schools in New Mexico and Utah State before touching UNLV and Boise State. I agree with most of the schools you mentioned except those two and possibly CSU left out too for more consistent competition in all sports and better academic programs in other colleges as well. In fact I can see Boise State, Nevada, San Jose State, Fresno State, UNLV, Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming and the remaining AAC schools and a few SBC schools recreate the AAC and keep it as the best G5 Conference and highest paid G5 Conference with revenue improved to 15-20 million dollars range. A recreated or restructured ACC will feature more Eastern and Central teams than Western, but Boise State and UNLV will not be part of that expansion or recreated or restructured ACC. This is under the assumption that the ACC loses both Florida schools, Clemson, both UNC & NCST, Georgia Tech, and both Virginia schools for a total of 8 schools gone. If the ACC remains a viable conference and keeps A4 status, the adds and conference would be as follows: 1.BC 2.UConn 3.Syracuse 4.Army 5.Navy 6.Villanova or Temple 7.JMU 8.Pitt 9.Louisville 10.Wake Forest 11.Duke 12.Memphis 13.USF 14.Tulane 15.SMU 16.UTSA or Rice 17.Air Force 18.Colorado State 19.Utah State 20.San Diego State 21.Stanford 22.California 23.Oregon State 24.Washington State Remember it’s about keeping the values of the conference and keeping Notre Dame involved in all sports except Ice Hockey and keeping their schedule agreements in place to keep the market value up and viewers number up and profitable. But I could see it be like the above. And again could see the 8 remaining MWC teams and 8-10 remaining AAC teams merge together under the AAC name and add top schools from SBC and MAC to get the strongest and most profitable and valuable G5/6 conference. Now everything I said makes sense. But this college academics and athletics and none of it ever makes sense or even comes out remotely relevant and understandable in the decisions these goofs make. I think you would agree with this.
Guys! Your over thinking things! The Florida schools are the top priority outside of Notre Dame. That's right, Miami and FSU! Its about CFB, brand, tv markets, population and history. If was about academics, Stanford and California would have gotten offered to the B10 before USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. The B10 specifically got USC and UCLA for CFB, the state of California and the tv markets of California. The same applies for Miami and FSU for the state of Florida. The B10 tv partners will have say so. They want national weekly matchups for the B10! Miami and FSU versus Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, UCLA, Nebraska, Oregon and themselves. Also, Miami and FSU are in Eastern standard time. The base B10 schools are closer to Florida than California and they can recruit better in Florida by having Miami and FSU in the B10! Also, I live here in Florida as a Miami fan but I'm originally from Chicago. The state of Florida if full of MidWest and East coast transplants. IE, this state is full of B10 alums and fans at 23 million people and going daily!
You are unreasonably wrong when talking about NC States academics and Research. Why make a video about something you know nothing about? How I can trust everything else you said?
UNC Chapel Hill is an AAU member that does $1.3B in research a year. NC State is a fine academic and research University that does around $500M in research a year. There was no slight meant to NC State but they are not at the same level as the preferred profile of the Big Ten.
“Most likely” haha yeah that’s wishful thinking from a VT/NC State fan. VT and NC State are not going to a P2 because of legal reasons. That would easily be settled in court. I can see them splitting between SEC and B1G and also a possibility that VT and NC State could camp out in the Big12 until they get an SEC invitation 5-10 years later.
Remember when UNC AD Cunningham said of Florida State. "And quite frankly, I don't think it's good for our league for them to be out there barking like that.
He was also the same individual who said, two weeks ago, that if FSU is as valuable as they think they are then they should pay “$500….600….700m” to leave. He regularly spews hatred towards FSU in defense, not of his employer (UNC), but the ACC. Therefore it was quite amusing when his boss, the UNC BoT chairman, John Preyer, completely agreed with FSU and Clemson and publicly rebuked the AD for his unhelpful comments. Bubba better start working on his resume.
I mean clearly when FSU and UNC join the Big 10 then UVA is the third to join. Why? Because of the Jefferson-Eppes Trophy of course! Awarded to the winner of the FSU-UVA Football game.
The B1G has already said no to part time members. That won’t happen. But the new 14 team play off gives 12m to ND and 22m to each B1G and SEC team. ND will fall further behind as an independent
FSU, UNC, Duke would be the BIG targets. they need one more. GT or Miami would be one of the two schools. ND I think would go to the Big 12 because the Big 12 will bend over backwards and let ND football independent. ND may push the Big 12 to bring in Stanford and Cal. there is a small chance ND would join the BIG only because the money..... they want to be independent in football and that is an issue with the BIG. the only way ND would join a conference is $$ and being left out of the playoffs.
I think B1G dropped the AAU being strictly required since Nebraska no longer is an AAU school, yet hasn’t been kicked out. I see the B1G looking at all those ACC markets and looking to pick them clean for Boston, both Tallahassee and Miami, Atlanta, & Raleigh/Durham. They clearly care about the viewership and large fan bases to leverage TV deals and become the largest conference. If they go that route I see them going the pro team route and having 4 divisions (North/South & Pacific/MidWest) with an expanded conference championship before the playoffs.
The people who have voices at UNC want to go to the SEC. The last chancellor left for Michigan State because he wasn’t going to be able to push them towards the Big 10. The interim chancellor and board of trustees have leans toward the SEC. Bubba Cunningham at AD doesn’t have as much voice as the past and he is more of a Big 10 guy. North Carolina has a board meeting this week where both the chancellor and trustee president will speak. Some schools have people talking pro-ACC stuff, but UNC and Miami are both wanting to leave. Both schools have P2 interest. Miami is probably going to the Big 10.
Media markets don’t matter anymore or Stanford would be in B1G. In fractured media world it is about brands and eyeballs. Academics matter. Olympic sports to some degree. But Georgia tech isn’t getting in before Stanford. I think there are three gens. ND, FSU, UNC. Stanford, Miami, Virginia and Duke only get in as a package.
I have to disagree with you, as an FSU alum I'm pretty sure FSU would want UM with them wherever they go... not that FSU will have any say in that though, also pretty sure it's not their call lol
I disagree as well. With the B1G likely going to a 10 game schedule if they get to 20, the FSU/Miami rivalry would die if they don't go to the B1G with FSU. I don't like Miami, but I have a lot of friends that are Miami fans and I never want to see that rivalry die.
NOTE: Virginia Tech ranks above 7 of the Big10 schools (and Clemson and FSU) in the US News academic rankings and have more fans in the DC area than any other school, by far. Their average football attendance is 50% higher than Maryland or UVa. Virginia Tech's TV rankings 2016-2023 are above Maryland, Purdue, Rutgers, UNC, UVa, etc.
The Pac10 and The ACC both have the same problem, Time Zones. No one on the East Coast is going to stay up to 11:00 pm for a kickoff on the west coast. And no one on the west coast will tune in to Fox’s Big Noon Kickoff at 8:00am.
Big12 is not adding BC, WF, Syracuse, SMU & CAL Big12 would love to add Clemson & Miami. Big12 would take: Louisville & VT plus maybe two others Big12 maybes; Duke, Pitt, NCST, GT.
I could definitely see GaTech to Big Ten - prestigious school, Former national champion, one of the oldest legacies in football, Georgia footprint, Georgia rivalry. That along with UNC, Duke?, Clemson, FSU, UVA would complete an I95 corridor
The NC area schools are in a booming and very high growth area so I would hate to see them move to the Big10. The entire Big10 footprint is an area where people are moving away in droves so there is little long-term future with the Big10 schools being a rust belt conference. The future of universities will be recruiting from the south.
Outside FSU, Clemson, and UNC, plus Miami and Duke as “add-ons,” most of the school who do not get a landing spot are stuck in the ACC until 2036. The new additions of SMU, Cal, and Stanford, are coming into a conference that in the next two years might not be around, or will be around until 2036. Also, in 2026 I heard the GOR is up for renewal from ESPN, so that makes any membership change prior to that interesting. Because ESPN could decide not to renew and end it I the next few years, 2027 or 2028. The ACC has not only the P2 to deal with at “pouching” members, but the B12 especially if ESPN doesn’t renew the GOR in 2026. Also, that is when the B12 commission put in a prevision into the CFP playoff that allows the committee and the conference to renegotiate with ESPN about the deal if any Conference realignment happens prior to that date. The ACC is truly in limbo until 2036 or a court says the GOR is not an ironclad deal with game rights.
The B1G would absolutely sponsor FSU into the AAU if they go to the B1G. Not sure Florida wants FSU in the SEC. Getting in the AAU would be a huge win. Plus the B1G has their own research group that has many of the top research schools… including Illinois Chicago campus and John Hopkins
The SEC has the biggest payout per school in the CFP playoffs (due to 16 schools v 18 schools). As for the future, UNC commissioned a Chicago firm to give an analysis for 2030. In that analysis, the SEC s estimated to make per school 16m more per school over the B1G by 2030. I suggest you do more research on $ payouts. FSU is the big prize, not CU (although CU is clearly second best today).
FSU got totally screwed by the playoff committee. I'm a clemson fan & it pizzed me off. ACC did not hold up to their end of the bargain & did nothing to assure the playoff they earned.
It wasn't up to the ACC. Your conference is weak and everyone knows it. FSU played a horrible Louisville team for the conference championship. It's a watered down conference and now that the TV revenue is so far behind the SEC and Big Ten that the big teams have to get out. FSU and Clemson need SEC or Big Ten money to keep up and stay competitive!
@@WeSRT4 I take no issue with anything you said. I agree 100%. Which is why I am all on board for the top brands leaving this miserable conference. The ACC did nothing to help FSU get what they played for. But it goes way deeper than that. The addition of 3 more teams that nobody wanted fostered by another team that isn't even a member is another thing I take issue with. The ACC sucks & I look foreword to seeing it burn to the ground.
@WeSRT4 it was up to the acc to try. Sankey did everything possible to get UGA in as well as Bama. ACC did nothing for fsu.
@@unc0mm0n2 The ACC has no real clout and if they had tried too hard it would have made that fact even more apparent. The answer is ultimately for the biggest powers in the ACC to find new homes. The conference has been watered down even worse with the new additions and things will only get worse.
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"3 teams nobody wanted fostered by a team not a member" ? What a load of crap. Every member except 3 voted in favor of adding the 3 new members AND ND is a member for all sports except football. Your statement is just wholly inaccurate, not based on facts in the least.
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Money isn’t the reason that UNC isn’t a football brand. They don’t care. They’re all in on basketball.
The Big 10 will not admit non AAU members. FSU did submit an application to the AAU last summer and it was rejected. FSU and Clemson will play in the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to expand their footprint to include Florida, Miami is the choice. The only other AAU members in Florida are UF and USF.
Lol lol... we have a comedian in thr comment section. Please tell me more I needed that chuckle
@michaelhart6318 you should probably check your "facts". The AAU stuff has long been debunked.
They care about football, but basketball is a higher priority.
@@michaelhart6318that’s not even close to true. If Clemson and FSU want AAU membership, they’ll get it. Both have far better academics than Oregon, and they’re an AAU school. Big 10 will push for their approval if they want them.
GT is a premier AAU research institution, and they are in a premier TV market and recruiting region. They have a good shot at being invited to join the Big10
Could be a long term play for the B1G, for sure.
Not many are talking about GT with realignment, But it certainly could make sense.
With the exception of being a state school, Virginia is a “Weak Sister” version of Stanford
( academics, sports, TV Market). If Fox did not want Stanford why would they want UVA?
You make a really great point! I think that the answer is that they probably don't. However, I don't think the decision is up to Fox. I believe the reality is just more complex. Sometimes the decisions are made by one set of presidents, another time by another set of presidents, and a third time by some fat-assed TV guy. The TV guy got the last pick, so someone else is on the clock! Ain't politics lovely!
UVa is in a state already contiguous to a B1G school. It is, as stated in the video, in the I 95 corridor. No travel issues to speak of and expansion down the coast. I am not sure that UVa has a major chance, but it is possible.
Stanford is nearly 400 miles from LA and not near any other B1G school. It is in the same time zone as the two Pacific Northwest schools, but so what? Stanford is obviously a great school academically, but the Cardinal could actually survive as an independent with its great Olympic sports (and enormous endowment) leading the way. It is also possible that Stanford might not want to come without Cal, but we are not likely to ever find out.
To lock down VA
It brings some important local affiliates with them for Fox, NBC, and CBS. For national networks, overwhelming majority of their revenue is now coming from retransmission and affiliate fees. They can't afford to leave behind ones in the Hampton Roads, Richmond, and Charlottesville areas.
Another interesting possible is what ESPN does.
Certainly it would be much easier for ESPN to move ACC properties to the SEC than it would be to move them to FOX/B1G.
It’s likely ESPN dumps the ACC contract entirely very soon. So the question is who do they think would be more valuable to keep in the SEC? & who would they be willing to let walk to their rival FOX?
Clemson is leaving. It’s not “likely to leave”. Not wasting all that money to not leave. Also, Clemson is working towards AAU, look at the Clemson Elevate initiative.
I hear they are adding a vet school
@@powell4661 they are. There’s been talk in the past about a law school as well, but the Vet school is in the works.
Clemson headed for the Big 12. They don't fit the p2.
They had a great BB team this year.
@@PulsePilgrim bwahahahaha. Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about, without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about. Top 15 all time in wins, 3 national titles, 27 conference titles, 52 bowl games, 6 playoff appearances, Top 10 in ratings, and I could go on. They’re one of the 3 big fish left for realignment. I’m sure the big 12 will be getting more members like VaTech and Louisville, but that’s because they’re a glorified G5 conference.
Agree with nearly all of what you said, but GaTech has bigger problems. According to the Atlanta Journal & Constitution, GaTech is number 5, in Atlanta. Not even a blip in the rest of GA. In Atlanta, it is UGA, Bama, FSU, Auburn and then GaTech. That is a very long road, even with B1G money. That is a bit of a shame since GaTech has had great football teams and is fine academically.
Georgia state is bigger than tech now!
nc state not a research school is crazy
You need a retraction on NCState : they are Major Carnegie R1 research university, have Nations Premier Research Campus, Cientennial. Are bigger than unc at chapel , have a very sec like fb fanbase. This program just painted them as another state school. NCSU academics in science and engineering are as good as or better than unc, NCState is a Premier Large Research university.
They may be an R1, but they aren’t near the level of a UNC.
FSU, Clemson, and UNC will leave and be replaced by USF, UConn, and Memphis
I would want Pitt and Louisville in the Big 12 especially for the Pitt and West Virginia game and Louisville and Cincinnati plus it would help with travel for the East teams in the Big 12 even though the two schools I named aren't huge football brands
Also a few ACC schools would probably have to merge with the AAC conference
@@Jamessmith-xk3fh I feel like the ACC will live on and just add the best G5’s plus PAC 2. And I would love Pitt and Louisville in the Big 12 too. Hot take but I also would love USF and maybe UConn to join the Big 12
Forget Pitt, let them be left out. Why would we (WVU fans) advocate for their inclusion?
@@ChrisJones-jn5rb it brings a good rivalry to the conference. It’s also why I really want USF in the conference for UCF. Rivalries are fun and adds high stakes to the conference that non-con rivalries can’t bring
Jim Delaney and Kevin Warren are wrong about AAU not being a requirement having served as the Commissioners of the B1G?
I think Florida State and Clemson are better fits for the SEC, but then again, they might want to be associated with the more national profile that the Big Ten is building to. If they both decided that the Big Ten was their first preference and they were willing to be phased in financially, I suspect the Big Ten would be hard pressed to reject them.
North Carolina and Virginia seem like they could go Big Ten or SEC. Geographically, they would expand the SEC into contiguous areas. On the other hand, academically and athletically, including Duke, they fit more what the Big Ten is about with sports like Lacrosse and Wrestling.
I'd love to see the B1G add six schools, but doubt it would happen unless one of them was Notre Dame. If one of them were Notre Dame, would Notre Dame demand that Stanford and/or Cal come with them?
As much as the B1G may want ND, it is not worth taking on the dead weight of Cal, or even Stanford. Maybe the B1G would accept Stanford, but never Cal. The B1G schools have made it clear that they will not add schools that do not, at the least, add the $80 to $100 million per school that the B1G will be earning (plus playoff money). Cal would literally add nothing financially. It is possible that Stanford would not come without Cal, so neither will go to the B1G.
It is incredible what the ACC has allowed ND to do, including "recommending" Cal and Stanford. ESPN was openly unhappy with these additions, as well as SMU, since they did not add to the ACC. And the ACC earns about half of what the B1G earns.
@@observer466I believe that the B1G would absolutely take in Stanford if Notre Dame said they’d join the conference under that condition.
I’m not sure that Stanford would want to abandon Cal though.
I agree that neither school is overly valuable though.
@@trclark7689 I would not be surprised if the B1G agreed if ND asked for Stanford. The Cardinal would have to take a lower payout for a while, but still get a lot more than the ACC pays.
@@observer466Fox would need to bump up the current media deal like they did less than a year ago to add Washington and Oregon. Since it's in the middle of the media deal I expect any team not named Notre Dame, who is added to the B1G will at most get what Wa/Or got, half shares till 2030.
I have found that a lot of ACC fans cannot accept the concept of any outcome other than “all teams are stuck in the ACC until 2036”. Then again, PAC12 fans probably felt the same way
The Big 10 cares more about research improving more than whether people are AAU or not. It’s not a requirement to be AAU, but it’s usually a sign of commitment to research. The SEC even tries to get better research universities now.
Good point. It is a strong commitment to research.
The Carnegie Major Research Index ( NCState is R1), is a much better measure of Reasearch achievements than the old AAU marker. The AAU tag is leftover for campuses that could claim a medical school footprint. The Carnegie research level, is much better to identify schools meeting Big10 ( large major research institution) desire, than the old historical out of date AAU tag.
All Colleges and Universities do Research. And the Carnegie Major Research Index is more relevant
Maybe you haven't noticed, but It's not about "research".... its about M O N E Y
Being R1 is just a starter. R1 has too many schools to just lump all of them together. I look at the dollar figures instead.
As a GT alum, I don’t see the big10 being interested in GT. I think the best luck for GT would be the big12. Otherwise, we are part of he reconstituted ACC or a g5. Our athletic department has become poor. Great analysis.
Guys! Miami is a private school! They aren't a state funded school! They don't have to release anything about their doings behind the scenes!
NCST will lucky to get a Big12 invite. Duke might be ahead of them to get a invite
Is the B1G going to be under pressure to play nice w ESPN? ... re the ACC exodus, that probably means SEC gets 1st pickens
Also, is the B1G under pressure to help out Stanford, Cal, Utah, etc? We know the former PAC schools are cultural fits. I mean, maybe they just go longer out west?? Would certainly help Olympic sports re travel rather than adding yet another corner if the $travel$ map
Excellent show. I can't wait to see how the conference realignment works out.
Thank you
Purdue is actually N.D's biggest rival from the B1G historically they played every year for 40 straight years but I realize that most fans want to see them play the blue bloods.
Appreciate your review of the ACC schools. I agree with your thoughts. Notre Dame is the true wild card😊!
Thx. Appreciate it.
If B1G is making another “future investment” having not learned lesson from Rutgers, then Houston is more likely than GaTech
Good show. Buckeye here. This the first time I've heard an intelligent discussion of B1G expansion. You guys seem to be the only channel who has heard of the B1G's "additive" rule. There is something I would like to clear up on that rule. The way AD Gene Smith described it in a press conference is that it is "additive NOW," not on the come, ten years from now. That interpretation would put UNC in a different light. They don't have the football eyeballs now to head up a B1G expansion deal. I guess they could be a Plus 1.
Pete Thamel has reported that UNC and UVA are at the top of the SEC's target list. It has also been reported that the major B!G supporter in the UNC administration has moved on to MSU as president.
FSU will be #19. My info is that their partner will be Miami.
We agree on Clemson and Notre Dame.
IMO, I don't see the B1G expanding beyond twenty-four schools because of the additive rule, and that's a stretch. My guess is Notre Dame and partner (???) and two schools in Texas.
Thx for the view and comment.
Interesting thoughts.
FSU to B1G 2026!!!!
The magic 8 bill says, “likely”.
Clemson has applied for AAU.
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Georgia Tech needs to add a couple of degrees beyond engineering. They need an education or similar degree for athletes if they want to move up in football. How many 5 star recruits are majoring in engineering
They have other degrees there my
Cousin played for them.
They do have other degrees but you’re right they have less “easy” options than other schools. Tech president has supposedly been pushing pretty hard with whatever Georgia governing council allows schools to add degree programs to get more but has been blocked numerous times. Apparently a lot of UGA alums on that board who don’t want to see tech be able to recruit better! 😂
Research dollars are worth 10x what sports dollars will bring in. I see the B10 focusing on FSU (with AAU membership) Miami, NC and possibly Virginia. The Florida market is vital for recruiting, so the B10 will take one of those schools. Another school that may consider jumping from the SEC is Tx A&M if it wants to avoid Texas. Both P2 conferences want NC, but I think it fits better in the B10. If it doesn’t get NC, I think the SEC will probably take Clemson, a Florida school, maybe NC State. Depending on how big the P2 want to get, I think Va. Tech may go to the SEC as well. At that point, I think ND will have no option but to join the B10. Once the top teams have been scooped up, the B12 will be happy to take the leftovers and match the number of the P2. Most people see the limit at 24 schools for the P2, so if offered any school will want to get into any conference before the ship is sunk. The big losers in all this will be Stanford and Cal.
what research? Do conferences outside of B10 (I guess) really provide any research benefit? It obviously doesn't seem to stop schools from wanting to switch conferences
Big 10 fans think everyone wants to join their second rate conference
I think anybody would take an invite from the B10 - more money and academic prestige, real or not. I forgot that they are 18 members so I think ND is the most sought-after school, then maybe stanford.. saw that scenario in another video and it makes sense, but I do know that UFL doesn't want FSU and South Carolina doesn't want Clemson.. anything is possible I guess@@elvangulley3210
Clemson & FSU best fit the SEC but does SEC need or want FSU?
UNC best fits the B1G. Question is who goes w/ UNC. NCSU, UVA, Duke? UNC & Duke easily the biggest brands and best basketball which would make B1G & B12 top 2 bb conferences.
Football wise UNC and NCSU is better scenario with huge jump in $s to advance their good but not great fb programs. Don’t believe NC BoG will require both schools if leaving only in a package deal.
Thx for your thoughts.
Lots to consider.
ND Plays in the Big Ten in hockey!!!!!!!
Indeed.
I hate the SEC but FSU needs to be there, they just don't fit in the BIG 10. I think the SEC tries their best to keep FSU from going to Big 10 and if FSU spurns the SEC again it will be the biggest mistake they could ever make because sooner or later they're gonna regret not going there like they are now but worse. No matter what people say the SEC will always be the more though of football conference even over the BIG 10 because ESPN will always hold more weight than FOX and the playoff committee will always side with the SEC over any other conference
Mary had a little lamb, his fleece had been dyed blue. Every time he wagged his tail you could see his FSU
FSU logo looks good on you two gents.
These guys don’t have any perspective of the SEC Or football in the south. They are way off on what the SEC would take. BTW, FSU isn’t anywhere close to being an AAU member. So your academic qualifications sound meaningless
Maybe you missed the point of this video.
This discussion was about ACC schools that have a potential BIG TEN landing spot. It had nothing to do with the SEC.
@@TheBigMountainPodcastBut you can’t predict how the other side will respond if you don’t understand them. As someone as deep in this on the SEC side as you are on the BIG, I can assure you the SEC isn’t going to participate in a package deal in NC and VA where they take the scraps the BIG doesn’t want. They will sit back and watch that deal burn. Also the “gentleman’s agreement” only applies to certain schools in the east. When TAMU aligned themselves with the SECW brethren, they were excluded.
It does if you predicting about how the other side will respond. You have to understand them. They are not going to take NCST and VT to make it easy for the BIG. They will sit back and watch that deal burn.
ACC is toast.
Did you even mention Louisville?
Because they are already one foot in the big12
Just saying I'm in NC my local news is saying the NC legislators are saying UNC and NC State are tied together
Yeah that might send them both to the big12 AKA the little kids table.
This is what I think may happen and stress may take place but not sure will unfurl exactly like this. What I am certain of is any recreation of the PAC or something that gets all MWC schools power status or more money than AAC is not going to happen. The networks will decide ultimately whether or not schools leave, get kicked out, get added to other Autonomy Conferences, get the money for their moves, which G5 Conference organizers get a boost in revenue by new additions and new subtractions and how to be distributed.
One is that only a max of 3-5 schools will leave the ACC and go to the SEC and BiG10 and nowhere else. That is if any leave, and they don’t reorganize and reconstruct the ACC into a more solid conference with detrimental performance programs removed.
Two is that if they lose schools, the ACC remains a P4/A4 conference because they either prefill or backfill with appropriate schools from the PAC-2, MWC, AAC, and Big East. Those schools would be Washington State, Oregon State, San Diego State, Colorado State, Air Force, Navy, Army, USF, UConn, Villanova, Tulane, and Memphis as the top schools to be added.
The third thing that ACC could do if they pass on all three of the service academies and not go after any other Big East schools except UCONN is add additional schools from other conferences not originally selected or thought of. They then (the ACC) would be targeting interest from SBC schools and would be taking in other MWC schools and AAC schools too such as: CCU, App State, Utah State, Rice, JMU, Wyoming, New Mexico, ODU, Marshall, Tulsa, Temple, Nevada, Southern Miss, UAB, UTSA, and Georgia Southern. These would all be vetted and reviewed and considered before picking four to six schools to go with the other schools added.
Fourth scenario of course of action would be picking up the two schools of the PAC and one MWC school in San Diego State and add just UCONN and two AAC schools. This is because no one leaves the ACC, but it is dissolved much like what the original PAC9/10 did in the late 1950s and reorganized the ACC (like I mentioned in the last part of point one) to be more competitive and complete and complex to pick a true contender and weaker teams from as it would be balanced out with top tier teams and no true garbage teams. This possible scenario leads to my fifth and final point.
Fifth overall point or things to transpire if the ACC holds together but trims the nonproductive teams or not as productive teams in football and all other sports on a consistent basis. This would be the formation of the ACC cast outside of new ACC and not added to any other P4 conferences, some really productive teams from MWC and AAC teams getting together with a few additional schools possibly from SBC and MAC and create a super strong G5/6 conference or morph into the AAC conference. They push to get 15-20 million per school with the alignment they have as a pitch to multiple networks. While it would suck for Boise State and UTSA and App State to not get in a true P4 conference and would catch some heat if it was a restructured but better AAC they all joined, it would still be better than the alternative. For the former ACC schools now in AAC or for SMU case back in AAC, it’s a dip in revenues but not a huge loss if can get 18 million dollars or 20 million dollars per year per school.
Notre Dame is now AAU
I would disagree with most of this. lol
Sorry about that.
We are always open to discussions here.
Nothing against what yall doing. Love seeing streams like this. I just think and have heard for my sources theres alot more going on behind closed doors. Theres alot i do agree with what you said too.
All good.
We are interested in discussion and varying thoughts/ideas.
Big12 might take Duke over NCST for basketball
Sorry guys but you gave false information in your video, not only does Duke have aau status, they’ve had it since 1938. This makes me question how accurate your videos are
Yes. Our mistake.
We do our videos in one take (don’t have the time to do several) and realized this error during production.
Thanks for pointing that out.
The fact that UNC maintains its academic reputations after having fake classes for YEARS is wild to me
Uh oh. You said it!
UVA is tht east coast's Cal-Berkley..... in every way
And they stink at football. Always have.
@davesteller6301 | I see comprehension isn't your strong suit. Football is not driving driving the train in B10 realignment..
@@shallojalloh dude football is what's driving ALL of this realignment. But just for curiosity sake, what do you say is driving it?
@davesteller6301 | football is not driving the B10s realignment push...AT ALL.
1. Both conferences have leaked out that UNC is the most desired ACC property, correct? UNC is the ACCs 5th-6th best football brand, at best. If it was purely a football move, Clemson + FSU would be an easy choice. Media rights consultants confirm Clemson + fsu account for roughly 50% of the ACCs value. And we all know football accounts forc the heavy lifting when it comes to media rights deals.
UNCs is desired due to it being an untapped tv market for both the B10 n SEC. It allows both leagues to get a higher per sub rate for their respective prestige network. Last time I checked, UW Maryland Rutgers were not football powerhouses.
Bingo
Miami is a future Big12 school
The UNC athletics director is not an ACC good old boy. He actually came to UNC from the Univ of Tulsa where he was AD previously. Having said all this, as a UNC alum, here's what I think will happen: There is a rift between the powers that be in Chapel Hill. Many just don't want to leave the ACC because they believe that UNC is in essence the backbone of the conference. Others, however, believe that we risk falling behind by remaining. My guess is that the latter group will win the day and that UNC will join with Clemson and FSU to get out. I also believe that once this internal battle is settled, then UNC will move rapidly to leave. I also do not believe UNC will join the Big Ten and, rather, will opt for the SEC.
It seems prudent to evaluate all of your options for all teams based on recent decisions.
Don't forget the deal the state of North Carolina cut with the ACC in tax breaks in order to get them to move the headquarters to Charlotte, so the state has reasons for wanting the ACC to still be around. As an East Carolina Alumni, i can see the powers that be trying to keep the ACC together even if FSU and\or Clemson leave, but at the same time I can see UNC going to the SEC if the ACC is not deemed savable (with UNC striking out of conference schedule deals with NC State, Duke, and Wake).
I think when the smoke clears Carolina will be in the SEC. Regarding ECU---I attend a lot of games in Greenville---the Pirates will end up in the ACC. If ECU has a good team there is no better atmosphere.
Big10 needs to get into Texas. That means Texas Tech & Baylor
Sorry, unless, its Texas and A&M! They aren't leaving the SEC! No other CFB teams in Texas will bring the national value or have history better than those two!
No, it means Texas A&M and TCU.
@@wally8787A&M ain't leaving
@@powell4661 I tend to agree with you, but if I were Petitti, that's where I would start. Do you agree that a B1G footprint in Texas would be a strategic move?
Georgia Tech gets in and hire Brian Hartline they become a major player same goes with UNC they hire a great B1G assistant coach like the defensive coordinator from Wisconsin he changes UNC the talent in the state of North Carolina high school football is good
IMO only FSU, Clemson and UNC have P2 landing spots (Batman schools). The next group who don’t have a P2 landing spots which I call Robin schools that would be a partner for Batman schools are: Miami, NCSt, VT. Then there are enigma schools like Duke (BB & academics) and GT (Atlanta, academics) that bring specific benefits but don’t move the FB needle. The next group are B12 like schools: Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse. The rest BC, Wake, Calford and SMU will end up homeless and may have to combine with WSU/OSU and grab MWC & AAC schools and try to stick as a # P4 conference. Totally agree with you about the 1 & 1 but for both NCSt & VT.
Like the analogy of the Batman and Robin schools! Duke and GT have their benefits, but not seen by a football only lens.
Filling the stadium 🤣😂
I would love Georgia Tec in the Big Ten
If you like our thoughts in this episode, you can also check out our College Football 2030 episode we drop last week for more GT talk.
Big10 needs into Texas. That’s Tech & Baylor
BFE is the first requirement for military bases!
Lol
Anyone that thinks miami will get left behind is insane, especially after the season they're about to have
“Season they are ABOUT to have”. Ha! Ha! That’s an annual thing. They’ll be saying for years from now. UM gets in the SEC only if UF doesn’t object and the SEC takes at least 4 new teams. They get in the Big10 only if they take at least 4 new teams and one of the Batman teams is willing to pair with them. FSU and the Big10 would prefer to pair FSU with ND. UM is the your backup date for the prom.
@@MrDubyadee1 wrong, ND isn't going anywhere. Also wtf has FSU done? Had one good season in 10 years? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pnut3844ableOur TV viewership dwarfs UM. When was the last time UM had a really good season? How many ACC championships has UM won? How long ago was your last National Championship? UM has been waiting for a comeback for over 20 years. Now, I’d like UM and FSU to be in the same conference because I really enjoy the rivalry. I was born and raised in Miami. However, if FSU was invited to the Big10 with ND, we wouldn’t object and that leaves UM looking for a partner and an opening. UF won’t object to UM in the SEC as strenuously as they would FSU, but UM wouldn’t be the prime target. Maybe you could get Clemson to bring you with them to the SEC.
Miami goes to the B1G or doesn’t go at all. The SEC isn’t interested at all.
@@jansonroberts2616 Why is that? The SEC already has Vanderbilt, another small private school that's not very good at any revenue sports. Is one enough?
Why would these Deep South schools want to leave the south and play in your conference? You guys are sunshine pumpers. The fan base of all of these schools favor playing in the SEC if the SEC will take them.
NC State is a better school than a number of B1G schools. If UNC goes SEC, they’d be foolish to not add NC State.
The State of Florida would be a HUGE coup for the BIG10... huge for recruiting, huge for TV media value...slam dunk! FSU vs Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, USC... awesome national games that everyone would want to see.
Excellent
B1G would boost FSU so much more make it the crown jewel in Florida!!Too it’s a perfect fit for both FSU and B1G
Yes, like the SoCal market, which has been obtained, Fla is the next natural fit for the B1G.
Big Ten could get the entire i95 corridor. UVA, UNC(Duke?), GaTech, Clemson, FSU. SEC takes VaTech, NC State(Duke?) B12 takes Miami, UL, Pitt, Syracuse (maybe) AllCoastsConference maybe merges with Big East, adds ECU and App State, Oregon State, Washington State
Not happening sorry @RagedContinuum
Miami seems like it could go Big Ten or Big 12. Do not see Miami going to the SEC.
Not SEC. B1G or B12.
Miami should go to the sec, perfect fit, closer to home for everyone ,
Another excellent video gentlemen. I don't think that more than 6 schools will leave the ACC within the next few years.
Miami fits the B1G there brand and history fits the B1G. Just like UNC fits the B1G. Who I think is coming to the B1G FSU Miami UNC Norte Dame.
SEC gets Clemson UVA NC State and VT
They know that! Also, the B10 add Maryland and Rutgers since 2012 and 2014! Why? It wasn't about CFB. It was about area population and tv markets. They added USC and UCLA in 2022. That was about CFB, brands, state population and tv markets. The add Oregon and Washington because of CFB and increase B10 West coast to 4 teams! The B10 adding Miami and FSU give them everything CFB history, national brands, state of Florida population, Florida tv markets and Southeast presence!
Only Notre Dame has a spot reserved, which I mean, they are the only school named in the escalation clause in the media deal. Any other schools would need Fox to bump up the current media deal.
They just did that less than a year ago to add Washington and Oregon. Would Fox want to bump it up again? If so, I wouldn't expect anything better than what those got, half shares till 2030.
SEC will push hard for UNC. And many at UNC want to go top the SEC.
@@jonboxleitner7354no they dont
You guys do a great job analyzing things. Enjoy watching your videos. If ACC falls apart and schools go to the B1G, SEC & B12, could you see BC, Wake, Cal-ford & SMU partnering with Washington St/Oregon State and bringing in USF, Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, CSU, AF, SDSU, UNLV, & Boise St and forming at 16’team reconstituted P4 conference?
It really depends on if the new conference wants to go national or stay more regional. There can be major costs involved with large travel distances. If they go national there are a lot of potential pickups that make sense.
Stanford and Cal would not want nor approve of Boise State or UNLV definitely. They would want Army and Navy added along with some SBC and MAC schools who have Tier-1, Carnegie-1, R-1 status and AAU status such as Toledo and Buffalo and CCU and Rice and UNT and other more academically qualified MWC schools in New Mexico and Utah State before touching UNLV and Boise State.
I agree with most of the schools you mentioned except those two and possibly CSU left out too for more consistent competition in all sports and better academic programs in other colleges as well. In fact I can see Boise State, Nevada, San Jose State, Fresno State, UNLV, Hawaii, New Mexico, Wyoming and the remaining AAC schools and a few SBC schools recreate the AAC and keep it as the best G5 Conference and highest paid G5 Conference with revenue improved to 15-20 million dollars range.
A recreated or restructured ACC will feature more Eastern and Central teams than Western, but Boise State and UNLV will not be part of that expansion or recreated or restructured ACC. This is under the assumption that the ACC loses both Florida schools, Clemson, both UNC & NCST, Georgia Tech, and both Virginia schools for a total of 8 schools gone. If the ACC remains a viable conference and keeps A4 status, the adds and conference would be as follows:
1.BC
2.UConn
3.Syracuse
4.Army
5.Navy
6.Villanova or Temple
7.JMU
8.Pitt
9.Louisville
10.Wake Forest
11.Duke
12.Memphis
13.USF
14.Tulane
15.SMU
16.UTSA or Rice
17.Air Force
18.Colorado State
19.Utah State
20.San Diego State
21.Stanford
22.California
23.Oregon State
24.Washington State
Remember it’s about keeping the values of the conference and keeping Notre Dame involved in all sports except Ice Hockey and keeping their schedule agreements in place to keep the market value up and viewers number up and profitable. But I could see it be like the above. And again could see the 8 remaining MWC teams and 8-10 remaining AAC teams merge together under the AAC name and add top schools from SBC and MAC to get the strongest and most profitable and valuable G5/6 conference. Now everything I said makes sense. But this college academics and athletics and none of it ever makes sense or even comes out remotely relevant and understandable in the decisions these goofs make. I think you would agree with this.
Guys! Your over thinking things! The Florida schools are the top priority outside of Notre Dame. That's right, Miami and FSU! Its about CFB, brand, tv markets, population and history. If was about academics, Stanford and California would have gotten offered to the B10 before USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington. The B10 specifically got USC and UCLA for CFB, the state of California and the tv markets of California. The same applies for Miami and FSU for the state of Florida. The B10 tv partners will have say so. They want national weekly matchups for the B10! Miami and FSU versus Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, UCLA, Nebraska, Oregon and themselves. Also, Miami and FSU are in Eastern standard time. The base B10 schools are closer to Florida than California and they can recruit better in Florida by having Miami and FSU in the B10! Also, I live here in Florida as a Miami fan but I'm originally from Chicago. The state of Florida if full of MidWest and East coast transplants. IE, this state is full of B10 alums and fans at 23 million people and going daily!
You are unreasonably wrong when talking about NC States academics and Research. Why make a video about something you know nothing about? How I can trust everything else you said?
UNC Chapel Hill is an AAU member that does $1.3B in research a year. NC State is a fine academic and research University that does around $500M in research a year.
There was no slight meant to NC State but they are not at the same level as the preferred profile of the Big Ten.
The most likely scenario is FSU/Clemson to BIG, UNC/NC State/UVA/VT to the SEC (each state pair is legally bound by lawmakers)
“Most likely” haha yeah that’s wishful thinking from a VT/NC State fan. VT and NC State are not going to a P2 because of legal reasons. That would easily be settled in court. I can see them splitting between SEC and B1G and also a possibility that VT and NC State could camp out in the Big12 until they get an SEC invitation 5-10 years later.
It's called Carolina Sky Blue, not powder blue
Only to UNC fans. 😉
For the rest of us who have never heard of that, it’s powder blue.
NC State is a cultural fit in the SEC along with Virginia Tech. Raleigh is one of the fastest growing cities in the country.
Nc state is nothing like the SEC...culturally... at all
You mean the mac
They may be a "cultural fit" but they will get that azz beat in football.
@@shallojalloh How is it not. Ever been to a CF game?
@@josephbailey6399 | ucf?
One thing is NC State is a research university in the metro area of Raleigh and a large institution.
That deserves to stay in the a c c or go to the mac
Remember when UNC AD Cunningham said of Florida State. "And quite frankly, I don't think it's good for our league for them to be out there barking like that.
He was also the same individual who said, two weeks ago, that if FSU is as valuable as they think they are then they should pay “$500….600….700m” to leave. He regularly spews hatred towards FSU in defense, not of his employer (UNC), but the ACC. Therefore it was quite amusing when his boss, the UNC BoT chairman, John Preyer, completely agreed with FSU and Clemson and publicly rebuked the AD for his unhelpful comments. Bubba better start working on his resume.
And then his BOT said they need to examine all options
But nobody wants a constant whiner , especially after 63-3.
@@powell4661Non sequitur.
@@powell4661I think most objective football fans....especially decision makers understand why FSU lost to UGA.
I mean clearly when FSU and UNC join the Big 10 then UVA is the third to join. Why? Because of the Jefferson-Eppes Trophy of course! Awarded to the winner of the FSU-UVA Football game.
Norte Dame will join with UVA!! Make it 24 teams Best conference in all of sports B1G!!!!
I believe Duke is in the AAU, so maybe a greater than 1% chance for the Big Ten.
Yes. They are.
Our miss.
The B1G has already said no to part time members. That won’t happen. But the new 14 team play off gives 12m to ND and 22m to each B1G and SEC team. ND will fall further behind as an independent
They get 12m… same as acc and b12 teams
FSU, UNC, Duke would be the BIG targets. they need one more. GT or Miami would be one of the two schools. ND I think would go to the Big 12 because the Big 12 will bend over backwards and let ND football independent. ND may push the Big 12 to bring in Stanford and Cal.
there is a small chance ND would join the BIG only because the money..... they want to be independent in football and that is an issue with the BIG. the only way ND would join a conference is $$ and being left out of the playoffs.
Appreciate your comment.
I agree with everything you said. Can’t wait for FSU to get into the Big10. Wish we could get a travel partner though.
Great. Thx for watching!
Good show
Glad you enjoyed it
I think they forgot Syracuse?
Big man big cup , little man little cup . All I got from this podcast. GO WOLFPACK !
Glad you were able to learn something
Extremely rude not once was the Big 12 mentioned. How arrogant.
This was a B1G ACC episode. Our focus wasn’t on the Big12.
I think B1G dropped the AAU being strictly required since Nebraska no longer is an AAU school, yet hasn’t been kicked out. I see the B1G looking at all those ACC markets and looking to pick them clean for Boston, both Tallahassee and Miami, Atlanta, & Raleigh/Durham. They clearly care about the viewership and large fan bases to leverage TV deals and become the largest conference. If they go that route I see them going the pro team route and having 4 divisions (North/South & Pacific/MidWest) with an expanded conference championship before the playoffs.
The people who have voices at UNC want to go to the SEC. The last chancellor left for Michigan State because he wasn’t going to be able to push them towards the Big 10. The interim chancellor and board of trustees have leans toward the SEC. Bubba Cunningham at AD doesn’t have as much voice as the past and he is more of a Big 10 guy.
North Carolina has a board meeting this week where both the chancellor and trustee president will speak.
Some schools have people talking pro-ACC stuff, but UNC and Miami are both wanting to leave. Both schools have P2 interest. Miami is probably going to the Big 10.
Media markets don’t matter anymore or Stanford would be in B1G. In fractured media world it is about brands and eyeballs. Academics matter. Olympic sports to some degree. But Georgia tech isn’t getting in before Stanford. I think there are three gens. ND, FSU, UNC. Stanford, Miami, Virginia and Duke only get in as a package.
F Miami, FSU won’t wanna bring them as a +1. Miami will end up in the BIG12
Bahahahahahahahaha! Good one
I have to disagree with you, as an FSU alum I'm pretty sure FSU would want UM with them wherever they go... not that FSU will have any say in that though, also pretty sure it's not their call lol
I disagree as well. With the B1G likely going to a 10 game schedule if they get to 20, the FSU/Miami rivalry would die if they don't go to the B1G with FSU. I don't like Miami, but I have a lot of friends that are Miami fans and I never want to see that rivalry die.
NOTE: Virginia Tech ranks above 7 of the Big10 schools (and Clemson and FSU) in the US News academic rankings and have more fans in the DC area than any other school, by far. Their average football attendance is 50% higher than Maryland or UVa. Virginia Tech's TV rankings 2016-2023 are above Maryland, Purdue, Rutgers, UNC, UVa, etc.
Their tv rankings for viewership is like 73. Not exactly moving the needle.
Virginia Tech's TV viewership 2016-2023 is above Maryland, Purdue, Rutgers, UNC, UVa., etc. @@mikef3896
Virginia Tech's TV rankings 2016-2023 are above Maryland, Purdue, UNC, UVA, etc.@@mikef3896
They seem more like an SEC school. I don't think the B10 will want them
You're right that the excitement for football is more like a SEC school but the Big10 is a better academic fit for Virginia Tech.@@jstnsmutek
The Pac10 and The ACC both have the same problem, Time Zones.
No one on the East Coast is going to stay up to 11:00 pm for a kickoff on the west coast. And no one on the west coast will tune in to Fox’s Big Noon Kickoff at 8:00am.
Yes. Very big issue for them.
Big12 is not adding BC, WF, Syracuse, SMU & CAL
Big12 would love to add Clemson & Miami.
Big12 would take: Louisville & VT plus maybe two others
Big12 maybes; Duke, Pitt, NCST, GT.
I could definitely see GaTech to Big Ten - prestigious school, Former national champion, one of the oldest legacies in football, Georgia footprint, Georgia rivalry. That along with UNC, Duke?, Clemson, FSU, UVA would complete an I95 corridor
The NC area schools are in a booming and very high growth area so I would hate to see them move to the Big10. The entire Big10 footprint is an area where people are moving away in droves so there is little long-term future with the Big10 schools being a rust belt conference. The future of universities will be recruiting from the south.
Fully understand this point. And it is one of the large reasons why we believe the B1G wants to get into the south very soon.
Outside FSU, Clemson, and UNC, plus Miami and Duke as “add-ons,” most of the school who do not get a landing spot are stuck in the ACC until 2036. The new additions of SMU, Cal, and Stanford, are coming into a conference that in the next two years might not be around, or will be around until 2036. Also, in 2026 I heard the GOR is up for renewal from ESPN, so that makes any membership change prior to that interesting. Because ESPN could decide not to renew and end it I the next few years, 2027 or 2028. The ACC has not only the P2 to deal with at “pouching” members, but the B12 especially if ESPN doesn’t renew the GOR in 2026. Also, that is when the B12 commission put in a prevision into the CFP playoff that allows the committee and the conference to renegotiate with ESPN about the deal if any Conference realignment happens prior to that date. The ACC is truly in limbo until 2036 or a court says the GOR is not an ironclad deal with game rights.
Miami 🤣😂🤣😅🤣 don’t have a landing spot.
The B1G would absolutely sponsor FSU into the AAU if they go to the B1G. Not sure Florida wants FSU in the SEC. Getting in the AAU would be a huge win. Plus the B1G has their own research group that has many of the top research schools… including Illinois Chicago campus and John Hopkins
The big 10 doesn't have the power to make any schools aau. There are over 80 aau schools the big only has 18 members
Florida doesn't decide if FSU goes to the SEC. The AAU does not matter anymore except on the surface, it's about MONEY now, wake up.
So wrong regarding Clemson & research!!!
"Clemson Elevate" and new Veterinarian school
VT is a Big12 school
SEC would definitely take VT - huge traveling fanbase
SEC would definitely take VT - huge traveling fanbase
100% agree. VT, Miami Louisville and Pitt will end up in the Big12. NCState is knocking on the door if SEC and B1G aren’t interested.
The SEC has the biggest payout per school in the CFP playoffs (due to 16 schools v 18 schools).
As for the future, UNC commissioned a Chicago firm to give an analysis for 2030. In that analysis, the SEC s estimated to make per school 16m more per school over the B1G by 2030.
I suggest you do more research on $ payouts.
FSU is the big prize, not CU (although CU is clearly second best today).
Any podcast linking FSU & Clemson to the Big 10 has zero credibility.
Sorry you feel that way.
Research brings in more money than all the sports combined!.