If you suspended ALL disbelief maybe. I'd agree that Bill Hader's acting is definitely the thing that made it something I could enjoy watching. His writing is questionable at times, at least in this show. As a comedy, especially the first few seasons, it was excellent.
Fukes spent 10 years in prison and was already a wacky person so it made sense to me(his character change). Also hank got to go free and fukes did 10 years for him(he knew everything and could have ratted noho out). And he was annoyed at who hank was pretending to be. Also fukes was the one getting jobs for berry and brought him into the criminal world so noho and hank did run in the same circles :). Preston #1
Fuches and Hank were already intertwining in the beginning. Remember Hank had Fuches tied to a chair in Season 1, threatening to probably kill Fuches. Fuches united the Bolivians and the Chechens!! He was right there in the middle when Hank and Christobal admitted their love in Season 2.
The Gene conviction stuff is really dumb. Here are some of the reasons it makes no sense (beyond the obvious like no physical evidence); - There's a good chance they could find evidence of Barry's crimes before meeting Gene, which would disprove the idea that Gene manipulated him after his service (this one isn't surefire though as those murders would be years old by this point). - There are other crimes in the show that Barry could be retroactively attached to, like the murder of Chris, that would have nothing to do with Gene. - As I mentioned in my other comment, Gene spent months insisting that Janice's disappearance was suspicious, followed by "turning himself in due to a crisis of conscience" (Fuches ploy in S2) after which he then returns to pleading innocence. This makes no sense if he coldly had Barry kill Janice in order to cover up his involvement with the Chechens. - Gene then tries to blame Barry in S3 for murdering Janice, which would be a stupid move if he did control Barry as he would be implicating someone that likely had proof of Gene's crimes for no reason when he could just blame the Chechens. - Barry's friend Albert is well aware that Barry is responsible for these murders yet doesn't come forward after Barry ignores his plea for Barry to change. - Gene assists Moss in getting Barry arrested for attempted murder which makes no sense if he controlled Barry. Even if he viewed Barry as a loose end once again its incredibly reckless to send your collaborator to prison. Even worse is the fact that Barry is aware Gene did this but doesn't rat him out in revenge, despite trying to provide information on Fuches and Hank/Cristobal. - As you mentioned the fake movie pitch was total entrapment. It also makes no sense because this doesn't actually strengthen their case against Gene. It solely exists to trick the audience and make Gene's fate seem deeper than it is because he "succumbed to his own ego and hubris" or whatever. They give a guy they know is an attention seeker major incentive to misrepresent the situation then call him out for doing what they lead him to do. - They accuse Gene of shooting his own son because he was worried Leo had uncovered his connection to the Chechens. Absolutely no reason is given for this. He was very open with his son about his reasons for fearing Barry and his paranoia was evident. Then with no further interactions Gene shoots a random figure through the door. There is no reason to believe Gene thought this was anyone other than Barry nor is there reason for Gene to think his son had uncovered anything. They quite literally make this point up. The only proof was the money which hadn't been mentioned in the recent events at all. Overall its just a ridiculously contrived way to shoehorn in a quick half-redemption for Barry and give Gene a grim cynical ending as well as to show of Hader's general disdain for Hollywood once more through the movie ending.
I didn't think Fuches was obsessed with making Hank admit, I saw it as him wanting to hurt and break him because they were in conflict, he always did the same with Barry, he wants to break people.
What gene did wouldn't count as self defense in California. He's 70+ so he'd probably die in prison on those charges anyways and Sally wanted to protect her kid.
Weird as fuck to me that I'm having a harder time grasping why Carmine showed up to this video knowing only youtube recap levels of info about it plus a binge of the worst season vs Preston saying his opinions that I find a bit more disagreeable having seen it all myself. Actual weird mind fuck going on rn lmao
I hate to say it because I really loved the first 3+ seasons but I agree with Preston. The last really great part of the show was Hank sending the gadget-podcasting assassins to take out Barry. That scene just destroyed me, with Fred Armisen ("Chuy! Chuy!") Also the idea of selling sand in the desert. But then it all fell apart. I totally agree that it made no sense for Fuches, who has never cared about anything, to suddenly care about Hank's betrayal of Cristóbal. And to suddenly be such a badass. All that character motivation whipsawing and shark-jumping silliness just to set up the ending. Can anybody think of a more satisfying way to end it? Endings in general are a bitch but with these super long-form plots (like ASOIAF!) it's just so brutally hard. But has anyone seen the latest season of Hader & Armisen's "Documentary Now"? Oh my God. The one with Skarsgard and the guy who plays Cousin Greg is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. But seriously - where should they have gone with Barry?
My take on Couisneau's ending was simply that because his character was so self absorbed (just like you pointed out) only caring about his legacy and acclaim, the entire point of how outlandish his being the scapegoat end up being, is that the ONLY way for people to accept it is if he really is the greatest actor. I think their whole aim there was to wrap it up for him with his fame being solidified, that way he somewhat caused his own fate by shooting Barry.
I want to list every reason why I disagree with PJ here, but I also don’t want to come across as some angry fan boy, lol. I listened to this whole thing and felt I had strong arguments against pretty much every point PJ brings up. But again, no one likes an angry sounding comments section debate. He’s obviously entitled to his opinion, but man, it’s rare when I think PJ completely misses the mark on something
I agree with Mrs. Jacobs. We can’t downgrade the final szn for the police being over the top incompetent, when that’s how they were the entire series. Your other points are valid. Funches obsession with Hank situation was random. Janice father apparently had superpowers? Great series overall but I always thought 4 szns would be pushing it.
Fuches' story arc was tied to Barry's. The final confrontation should have been between these two characters. The shift to the Hank-Fuches pairing did not make sense. Preston is right. And yes, the ending doesn't make any sense!
Totally with you. I was fine with Fuches finally getting a happy ending. I was fine with the silly stuff with the reporter speaking German. Barry has always had some funny nonsensical stuff. But the whole last season felt mind boggling. Or at least the last few episodes.
I liked the time skip, but Preston makes some good points about how it could have been tighter. It felt like the writers had good ideas but maybe needed more time to iron out the details.
There's a small scene in the pilot of Raising Hope (made by the creator of My Name Is Earl) where you find out he finished his list. It plays on a tv in the background. "A small-time crook with a long list of wrongs he was making amends for has finally finished, and you'll never guess how it ended."
11:20 sally Don't care about cousineaus she only want get rid of barry so when Barry get killed she could protect her son whoch just have connect with him and by telling same lie (cosineaus is villain) show barry as hero protect herself and john sa Sally have grow in sense she dont care about boyfriend anymore but darkness still follow her Also maybe barry didnt bring the guns to cousineaus house? we dont see any gun on barry?!
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin The story that the cops concluded was that Barry was being manipulated by Cousineau into doing the killings because he had a huge unresolved PTSD and was desperate for father figure so it makes sense for Albert not to testify against Barry because all he understood was that Barry was “paid” to kill. “How much did THEY pay for Chris?!!” And since Barry showed remorse in front of Albert and the (wrong) news came out THEY were Gene, Albert is fine with it now,
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin true I'm probablly too generous to the show but you could say he was not a good guy either. when barry kill those afghans he was the first guy who cheer up, also didnt say anything about biker guy. he knows barry is a killer but not necessary whose he working for. But you right about Moss his action doesnt make sense. I mean how barry and sally ESCAPE from him in first place?
It was initially an off-hand comment that Fuchs discovered is a sore subject for Hank, so then later he intentionally brings it up trying to help him get over his denial. Of course he can to both bring it up accidentially and intentionally.
I found the start of Season 4 somewhat off putting (I kept thinking they were going to fake out, that this was just a dream) that I was happy with the last few episodes as it felt like going to form of the earlier seasons. But in large part it was because I just disliked the earlier episodes of this season. Probably all fair enough critiques, the only way I got around with it was repeating to myself "it is just a comedy, it is just a comedy". Why Gene Cousineau go to jail? because it is funny. Why does Fuches focus on Hank? Because it is funny. Not the best defense but only way I found to block out parts and enjoy what I liked in the final season.
But you said it yourself Preston. They WANTED the ending to be bad. They wanted the audience to hate it. No one is redeemed. The conviction of Gene doesn't add up. But that very thing is the whole point of the show. It's a complete condemnation of the justice system, Hollywood, the characters, and even our ideals for satisfying endings.
If that's true then Hader and Berg (to a lesser extent) wasted my time. If the message of your show, as revealed in the last ten minutes of the last episode, was "You see?! Everything is horrible! The entire system is awful!" then so what? Who cares? It's such a broad point to make that it actually doesn't hit anything in a meaningful way, while also being specific enough that it doesn't have broad relatability.
IDK what the guy with the Pokemon profile picture guy is on about everything made complete sense I could understand if you're around from season 1 and your disappointed about how ended but a lot of the criticisms just seemed like they have their own answers if you just sat and thought about this scene a little bit more
Respectfully. I've watched tons of Carmine and Preston stuff. It's always engaging. Kinda tit for tat. Carmines only fresh on S4. This conversation should have happened with both ppl up to date on the full story. Carmine usually has more to offer. Sorry man. It's just my opinion. I don't mean to be so negative. Not trying to be mean.
Fair. To be honest I didn't plan on watching it at all but I wanted to know something about the show before going in so I binged S4. Still don't plan on watching all of it, maybe season 3 and that infamous ep 5 of season 2 but thats about it.
totally valid position to hold. Personally, I liked it as somebody who has watched the show, it was interesting to hear someone who has not actually experienced the full character journey give their opinion mostly from only s4, makes it a very different type of show to experience. I wouldn't want it for every podcast/video though.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin I take your point when you're spending all this time on the fanfic for free. I guess the comment was a bit off, I just totally don't get where you're coming from with saying it's worse than the GOT or HIMYM ending
Definitely made no sense how Ross jumped to cusineau being the real killer, but beyond that how was there any evidence to convict him? People are satisfied with the thematic conclusion, but on top of the cusineau thing making no sense, I also thought the finale was boring.
This last season felt like the writers hated what they wrote, and decided to set fire and piss on the ashes of what they made. They literally stepped from behind the cameras and went "No! Barry is irredeemable! You are not allowed to like him or root for him! Look how awful and pathetic we made him? There!"
They had very obviously written themselves into a corner with sending Barry to prison in the end of s3. Time jumps are a lazy story reset device in such situations and more often than not a sign that the shark has been jumped.
If Barry did turn himself in and Gene was emancipated, it would have been so much better. Why Gene killed Barry makes no sense to the themes they seemed to set up. They just wanted Barry's son to watch that movie. Same as GOT, they had an ending they wanted and had to check the boxes to get there.
I see now you pretty much said the same thing. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought it was a disaster. The first few seasons, I told friends that it was one of the best shows ever made. Then the ending just had to be so bad. Can HBO ever end a show in good or satisfying way? Based on the shows I've watched, it seems like no.
Of course it makes sense, because in the end they're all people (fictional people, but still). Gene was very self-absorbed. And a wus. Always has been, always will be. And that lead to him losing everything. But at the same time, everything started with Barry. Barry made him feel hopeful that he was a good teacher, that he could be famous, that he could help build back his relationship with his son and grandson. Janice investigating Barry lead him to Gene. The money Barry gave him bought him a house for his son, and basically his love. So it makes sense that Gene wanted vengeance. He came back a changed man, but he didn't actually change. He got back to being the same self-centered person. And then Barry appears again and once again ruins everything for him. And in that instance he saw Barry, he knew everything would end if he just killed him. He had already lost everything, and he knew once Barry was dead, there was no going back. But he got his vengeance, and Gene only cares about what Gene wants, so he took the chance. And it also works great as an ending. Barry died, so there's a sense of justice in that. He didn't deserve to watch his son grow and have a happy family. And his son was always innocent in all of this, so there was no reason for him to have to deal with his dad being an actual monster. Sally also lost everything she wanted, because she also didn't deserve a happy ending., but she wasn't horrible enough to get killed. I think that every ending made sense. Everyone got some sort of justice, the characters had growth and there was a close ending to their story, and the analogy the author wanted to convey was always present in the show, and it was present in the ending.
The theme I got from the first 3 seasons is; its worth trying to fight for redemption, no matter how unsuccessful it feels it is the right thing to do. The last season seemed to be; no one is redeemable and they will always fall back to old ways. But you can lie to the people you love and find redemption in their eyes. It just makes no sense and leave me feeling conflicted and confused.
Because you fell into a whole “Gene is a moral compass” trap in season 1. Season 4 made it clear that Gene is a horrible person without Barry. All those narcissistic and selfish behaviors that led to the cops (mis) understanding that he killed Janice were all Gene’s doings without Barry being around. He never reflect on himself about what he did wrong so him being blinded by rage and killed Barry before Barry got to confess his crimes makes total sense. This show isn’t Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul. So don’t expect any character to realize their flaws and find a solution.
I liked the final season and the ending, but this season definitely was hurt by the season and episode length. I think most of what they were going for was good, but they didn't give themselves the time to fully realize it. They just had to jump from beat to beat without giving the story time to breathe and properly set up their pieces. I do still like it because I think the majority of the season is great and it's really the last three episodes that it starts to fall apart. Overall it's very sloppy, and those last three episodes make it the worst season.
I always thought I was the only one who felt this way. I though the ending was trying so hard to be poetic but the plot didn’t tie itself together well enough to make it truly impactful. Breaking Bad is an example of a show that did this type of bleak cynical ending waaaaayyy better
I did not know the 4th season had come out when I saw the title of this. As I was watching the first few episodes I thought it was worse than the previous seasons but fine. I was wondering if knowing that it was disliked was impacting how I felt watching it. Then I got to the time skip, and there were so many things that I did not like that even little things really started to bother me. Like Sally getting into a car covered with snow and then it playing a sound effect as if she just drove off in that thing not being able to see though the windshield. Very disappointing final season.
Barry is one of the most overhyped shows I've ever seen. It's incredibly creative with plenty of funny moments but its also too dumb and hollow to deserve its extreme praise in my opinion. To see it compared to the likes of Succession, Breaking Bad or The Wire is mindboggling. The constant use of "incompetence" as a driver of the plot got really irritating. You obviously go on about the conviction of Gene at the end which I agree was awful, but what I find more egregious is that they try to arrest Gene for the same thing in S2 when Fuches leads him to Janice's body and then calls the police. Somehow even though Gene has been insisting for months that Janice's disappearance is suspicious and that they have to keep searching for her, suddenly they think he's the murderer? I get that they assume its some crisis of conscience that makes him "turn himself in", but he then immediately starts denying his guilt as soon as they arrive. The only proof that they have that he did want to turn himself in is the phone recording to the police, of which they say "it sounds like him" even though it was just Fuches whispering in his normal voice. This is even more relevant after the finale as they believe Gene is some mastermind yet he apparently had a crisis of conscience and tried to turn himself in (they would go back to thinking this as he was only cleared in S2 due to the Chechen pin but now they suspect he was working with the Chechens).
The logic behind the parties investigating the case made absolutely no sense. That's what ruined the show for me. Barry dying and bring as innocent? Sure, I'd buy it. But the details didn't add up so I won't.
Giving a confident opinion on a TV show based on UA-cam recaps is like writing an essay on a book where you skimmed all of it but the last chapter. Sure, you can do it, but it's not going to be accurate.
I'm air wagering that you've seen Bojack Horseman...a series in which the first season is the weakest. To be fair, it's not bad, it just has a lot to set up in service to the seasons that follow.
Preston must not have ever watched Dateline if Cousineau being put away is That unbelievable lol I agree that they should’ve ended everything w season 3… but so far(I’m halfway through) the things person is bothered didn’t seem so bad in comparison with others
well i didn’t like season 3 either, I thought they betrayed barry’s character by retrofitting him being abusive in the relationship, he was a murderous assassin but he wasn’t that
Honestly i didnt even barrys actions as being abusive. I just thought sally and her stupid chick friend were just being self absorbed stupid chicks like they were the whole series.
Sally is just as irredeemably awful as Barry, Hank and Fuchs. I think a lot of people don't get this point. Its pretty clear from ep 2 when she first sleeps with Barry.
Wtf was up with Sally and the guy who was attacking her at the house with the truck and in the house? It made NO sense. None! Why would she feel guilty for self defense either? Soooo confused 🤔
Stabbing the biker through the eye was self defence - beating him to death in a blind rage wasn’t. And anyhow, even if Sally did have a good legal defence that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t be traumatised. The show generally has a pretty critical view on the long term affects of violence and the effects it has on those who perpetrate it.
Who tf got the guy in the eye. The kid was still on the sleeping on the couch afterward. The only thing I can think of the kid did it "unconsciously," but that makes very little sense. They only reason to add it seems to be to get Sally to LA. Feeling guilty for killing, even in self defense, I think does make sense. It's what makes her human and Barry a sociopath.
@@itsjjbones i thought the incident with Sally’s attack was meant to be, at least partly, a psychotic episode/hallucination. Him complaining about his eye just like the biker - and Barry hallucinating the Biker across the season. (The cop bleeding from his eye, the biker in the background when sally was teaching her acting class, the dream on the plane)
@Erasmus1466 quite literally too. The most understated TV show of all time tbf I was kinda hoping Preston would at least mention it but then again, not all kinophiles catch everything in this regard. Doesn't help that its an Aussie show either, obscure by default sadly :(
I just watched 1st season, and half of season 2, and honestly, Idk why the f*ck everyone thinks this show is a masterpiece. Everything in its plot is so convoluted, almost nothing makes sense, and the humor doesn't land most of the time. Episode 7 was so fantastic, but from there, the show started to go downhill. God, the "feral girl" episode was atrocious, it is so nonsensical. It's so clear the writers just put that episode there to fill space. This show doesn't know what it wants to be, it has no clear direction, it's just chaos. Sometimes it wants to be a comedy, sometimes it wants to be a drama, but it's unable to find a good balance between those 2. Honestly, I think the cringy humor just ruins most of the scenes.
I took it as a comedy with some drama and intensity mixed in. None of it felt weird to me. It made perfect sense. It’s Bill fk’n Hader.
If you suspended ALL disbelief maybe. I'd agree that Bill Hader's acting is definitely the thing that made it something I could enjoy watching. His writing is questionable at times, at least in this show. As a comedy, especially the first few seasons, it was excellent.
Fukes spent 10 years in prison and was already a wacky person so it made sense to me(his character change). Also hank got to go free and fukes did 10 years for him(he knew everything and could have ratted noho out). And he was annoyed at who hank was pretending to be. Also fukes was the one getting jobs for berry and brought him into the criminal world so noho and hank did run in the same circles :). Preston #1
Fuches and Hank were already intertwining in the beginning. Remember Hank had Fuches tied to a chair in Season 1, threatening to probably kill Fuches. Fuches united the Bolivians and the Chechens!! He was right there in the middle when Hank and Christobal admitted their love in Season 2.
The Gene conviction stuff is really dumb. Here are some of the reasons it makes no sense (beyond the obvious like no physical evidence);
- There's a good chance they could find evidence of Barry's crimes before meeting Gene, which would disprove the idea that Gene manipulated him after his service (this one isn't surefire though as those murders would be years old by this point).
- There are other crimes in the show that Barry could be retroactively attached to, like the murder of Chris, that would have nothing to do with Gene.
- As I mentioned in my other comment, Gene spent months insisting that Janice's disappearance was suspicious, followed by "turning himself in due to a crisis of conscience" (Fuches ploy in S2) after which he then returns to pleading innocence. This makes no sense if he coldly had Barry kill Janice in order to cover up his involvement with the Chechens.
- Gene then tries to blame Barry in S3 for murdering Janice, which would be a stupid move if he did control Barry as he would be implicating someone that likely had proof of Gene's crimes for no reason when he could just blame the Chechens.
- Barry's friend Albert is well aware that Barry is responsible for these murders yet doesn't come forward after Barry ignores his plea for Barry to change.
- Gene assists Moss in getting Barry arrested for attempted murder which makes no sense if he controlled Barry. Even if he viewed Barry as a loose end once again its incredibly reckless to send your collaborator to prison. Even worse is the fact that Barry is aware Gene did this but doesn't rat him out in revenge, despite trying to provide information on Fuches and Hank/Cristobal.
- As you mentioned the fake movie pitch was total entrapment. It also makes no sense because this doesn't actually strengthen their case against Gene. It solely exists to trick the audience and make Gene's fate seem deeper than it is because he "succumbed to his own ego and hubris" or whatever. They give a guy they know is an attention seeker major incentive to misrepresent the situation then call him out for doing what they lead him to do.
- They accuse Gene of shooting his own son because he was worried Leo had uncovered his connection to the Chechens. Absolutely no reason is given for this. He was very open with his son about his reasons for fearing Barry and his paranoia was evident. Then with no further interactions Gene shoots a random figure through the door. There is no reason to believe Gene thought this was anyone other than Barry nor is there reason for Gene to think his son had uncovered anything. They quite literally make this point up. The only proof was the money which hadn't been mentioned in the recent events at all.
Overall its just a ridiculously contrived way to shoehorn in a quick half-redemption for Barry and give Gene a grim cynical ending as well as to show of Hader's general disdain for Hollywood once more through the movie ending.
“The spirit of the three seasons lives in me”
I didn't think Fuches was obsessed with making Hank admit, I saw it as him wanting to hurt and break him because they were in conflict, he always did the same with Barry, he wants to break people.
What gene did wouldn't count as self defense in California. He's 70+ so he'd probably die in prison on those charges anyways and Sally wanted to protect her kid.
Plus Barry had no weapons
@nont18411 yeah, you can only kill intruders if your life is in imminent danger in California.
@@carter9449 how are you supposed to know if an intruder is dangerous or not though lol?
@@La0bouchere You can move to a state with reasonable self defence laws
The final season wasn’t on par with the rest of the show but it wasn’t bad IMO
Weird as fuck to me that I'm having a harder time grasping why Carmine showed up to this video knowing only youtube recap levels of info about it plus a binge of the worst season vs Preston saying his opinions that I find a bit more disagreeable having seen it all myself.
Actual weird mind fuck going on rn lmao
Its hard watching preston dropping the ball so hard on Barry. And Carmine couldn't even watch it all? C'mon!
Review channel that doesnt actually watch the show, what's next author who can't write
I hate to say it because I really loved the first 3+ seasons but I agree with Preston. The last really great part of the show was Hank sending the gadget-podcasting assassins to take out Barry. That scene just destroyed me, with Fred Armisen ("Chuy! Chuy!") Also the idea of selling sand in the desert. But then it all fell apart. I totally agree that it made no sense for Fuches, who has never cared about anything, to suddenly care about Hank's betrayal of Cristóbal. And to suddenly be such a badass. All that character motivation whipsawing and shark-jumping silliness just to set up the ending. Can anybody think of a more satisfying way to end it? Endings in general are a bitch but with these super long-form plots (like ASOIAF!) it's just so brutally hard.
But has anyone seen the latest season of Hader & Armisen's "Documentary Now"? Oh my God. The one with Skarsgard and the guy who plays Cousin Greg is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. But seriously - where should they have gone with Barry?
My take on Couisneau's ending was simply that because his character was so self absorbed (just like you pointed out) only caring about his legacy and acclaim, the entire point of how outlandish his being the scapegoat end up being, is that the ONLY way for people to accept it is if he really is the greatest actor. I think their whole aim there was to wrap it up for him with his fame being solidified, that way he somewhat caused his own fate by shooting Barry.
I almost always agree with most of PJ’s opinions, but man, I %100 disagree here. Last season of Barry was a masterpiece
I want to list every reason why I disagree with PJ here, but I also don’t want to come across as some angry fan boy, lol. I listened to this whole thing and felt I had strong arguments against pretty much every point PJ brings up.
But again, no one likes an angry sounding comments section debate. He’s obviously entitled to his opinion, but man, it’s rare when I think PJ completely misses the mark on something
Man this the doja cat music video
I agree with Mrs. Jacobs. We can’t downgrade the final szn for the police being over the top incompetent, when that’s how they were the entire series. Your other points are valid. Funches obsession with Hank situation was random. Janice father apparently had superpowers? Great series overall but I always thought 4 szns would be pushing it.
Janice and Albert are the only two competent cops in the show
Preston pronunciations are always so good. I remember one time he pronounced Patreon as pay-tree-own. Love him.
Fuches' story arc was tied to Barry's. The final confrontation should have been between these two characters. The shift to the Hank-Fuches pairing did not make sense. Preston is right. And yes, the ending doesn't make any sense!
Totally with you. I was fine with Fuches finally getting a happy ending. I was fine with the silly stuff with the reporter speaking German. Barry has always had some funny nonsensical stuff. But the whole last season felt mind boggling. Or at least the last few episodes.
I liked the time skip, but Preston makes some good points about how it could have been tighter. It felt like the writers had good ideas but maybe needed more time to iron out the details.
There's a small scene in the pilot of Raising Hope (made by the creator of My Name Is Earl) where you find out he finished his list. It plays on a tv in the background.
"A small-time crook with a long list of wrongs he was making amends for has finally finished, and you'll never guess how it ended."
Really that's so cool!!!
11:20 sally Don't care about cousineaus she only want get rid of barry so when Barry get killed she could protect her son whoch just have connect with him and by telling same lie (cosineaus is villain) show barry as hero protect herself and john sa
Sally have grow in sense she dont care about boyfriend anymore but darkness still follow her
Also maybe barry didnt bring the guns to cousineaus house? we dont see any gun on barry?!
There's also Albert (Barry's war buddy). He knew about Barry and also weirdly didn't come forward.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin The story that the cops concluded was that Barry was being manipulated by Cousineau into doing the killings because he had a huge unresolved PTSD and was desperate for father figure so it makes sense for Albert not to testify against Barry because all he understood was that Barry was “paid” to kill.
“How much did THEY pay for Chris?!!”
And since Barry showed remorse in front of Albert and the (wrong) news came out THEY were Gene, Albert is fine with it now,
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin true I'm probablly too generous to the show but you could say he was not a good guy either. when barry kill those afghans he was the first guy who cheer up, also didnt say anything about biker guy. he knows barry is a killer but not necessary whose he working for.
But you right about Moss his action doesnt make sense. I mean how barry and sally ESCAPE from him in first place?
It was initially an off-hand comment that Fuchs discovered is a sore subject for Hank, so then later he intentionally brings it up trying to help him get over his denial. Of course he can to both bring it up accidentially and intentionally.
I found the start of Season 4 somewhat off putting (I kept thinking they were going to fake out, that this was just a dream) that I was happy with the last few episodes as it felt like going to form of the earlier seasons. But in large part it was because I just disliked the earlier episodes of this season.
Probably all fair enough critiques, the only way I got around with it was repeating to myself "it is just a comedy, it is just a comedy". Why Gene Cousineau go to jail? because it is funny. Why does Fuches focus on Hank? Because it is funny. Not the best defense but only way I found to block out parts and enjoy what I liked in the final season.
But you said it yourself Preston. They WANTED the ending to be bad. They wanted the audience to hate it. No one is redeemed. The conviction of Gene doesn't add up. But that very thing is the whole point of the show. It's a complete condemnation of the justice system, Hollywood, the characters, and even our ideals for satisfying endings.
yeah but that’s really unenjoyable to watch
I like the ending, but "it was bad on purpose" is such a pathetic defense.
If that's true then Hader and Berg (to a lesser extent) wasted my time. If the message of your show, as revealed in the last ten minutes of the last episode, was "You see?! Everything is horrible! The entire system is awful!" then so what? Who cares? It's such a broad point to make that it actually doesn't hit anything in a meaningful way, while also being specific enough that it doesn't have broad relatability.
IDK what the guy with the Pokemon profile picture guy is on about everything made complete sense I could understand if you're around from season 1 and your disappointed about how ended but a lot of the criticisms just seemed like they have their own answers if you just sat and thought about this scene a little bit more
Respectfully. I've watched tons of Carmine and Preston stuff. It's always engaging. Kinda tit for tat. Carmines only fresh on S4. This conversation should have happened with both ppl up to date on the full story. Carmine usually has more to offer. Sorry man. It's just my opinion. I don't mean to be so negative. Not trying to be mean.
Fair. To be honest I didn't plan on watching it at all but I wanted to know something about the show before going in so I binged S4. Still don't plan on watching all of it, maybe season 3 and that infamous ep 5 of season 2 but thats about it.
totally valid position to hold. Personally, I liked it as somebody who has watched the show, it was interesting to hear someone who has not actually experienced the full character journey give their opinion mostly from only s4, makes it a very different type of show to experience. I wouldn't want it for every podcast/video though.
Preston makes money by being critical and so no wonder he always exaggerates a show’s faults. Everyone else loved it
When the one guy said he only watched season 4 and watched a recap video I was out lol
Focused on the money- that sure sounds like me and my channel.
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin I remember all your msheu videos and your non stop captain marvel videos 🙄
@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin I take your point when you're spending all this time on the fanfic for free. I guess the comment was a bit off, I just totally don't get where you're coming from with saying it's worse than the GOT or HIMYM ending
Preston literally just watches everything HBO puts out.
me too
Definitely made no sense how Ross jumped to cusineau being the real killer, but beyond that how was there any evidence to convict him? People are satisfied with the thematic conclusion, but on top of the cusineau thing making no sense, I also thought the finale was boring.
Did Preston not watch S2 EP, Ronnie/Lily with Mutant Judo Girl? They threw out logic, A LONG TIME AGO.
Yep, that's my breaking point with the show.
i personally hated S2 and that episode. Loved S1 and S3
Preston, did you watch Orville? What did you think about it, specifically the third season?
Fuches was working with hank and Cristobal in season 2 and protect by them in season 3
This last season felt like the writers hated what they wrote, and decided to set fire and piss on the ashes of what they made. They literally stepped from behind the cameras and went "No! Barry is irredeemable! You are not allowed to like him or root for him! Look how awful and pathetic we made him? There!"
They had very obviously written themselves into a corner with sending Barry to prison in the end of s3. Time jumps are a lazy story reset device in such situations and more often than not a sign that the shark has been jumped.
Loved the ending myself.
If Barry did turn himself in and Gene was emancipated, it would have been so much better. Why Gene killed Barry makes no sense to the themes they seemed to set up. They just wanted Barry's son to watch that movie. Same as GOT, they had an ending they wanted and had to check the boxes to get there.
I see now you pretty much said the same thing. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought it was a disaster. The first few seasons, I told friends that it was one of the best shows ever made. Then the ending just had to be so bad. Can HBO ever end a show in good or satisfying way? Based on the shows I've watched, it seems like no.
Of course it makes sense, because in the end they're all people (fictional people, but still). Gene was very self-absorbed. And a wus. Always has been, always will be. And that lead to him losing everything. But at the same time, everything started with Barry. Barry made him feel hopeful that he was a good teacher, that he could be famous, that he could help build back his relationship with his son and grandson. Janice investigating Barry lead him to Gene. The money Barry gave him bought him a house for his son, and basically his love.
So it makes sense that Gene wanted vengeance.
He came back a changed man, but he didn't actually change. He got back to being the same self-centered person. And then Barry appears again and once again ruins everything for him.
And in that instance he saw Barry, he knew everything would end if he just killed him. He had already lost everything, and he knew once Barry was dead, there was no going back. But he got his vengeance, and Gene only cares about what Gene wants, so he took the chance.
And it also works great as an ending. Barry died, so there's a sense of justice in that. He didn't deserve to watch his son grow and have a happy family. And his son was always innocent in all of this, so there was no reason for him to have to deal with his dad being an actual monster. Sally also lost everything she wanted, because she also didn't deserve a happy ending., but she wasn't horrible enough to get killed.
I think that every ending made sense. Everyone got some sort of justice, the characters had growth and there was a close ending to their story, and the analogy the author wanted to convey was always present in the show, and it was present in the ending.
Gene was just mad. It was irrational to do, but people sometimes make irrational decisions when they are upset.
The theme I got from the first 3 seasons is; its worth trying to fight for redemption, no matter how unsuccessful it feels it is the right thing to do. The last season seemed to be; no one is redeemable and they will always fall back to old ways. But you can lie to the people you love and find redemption in their eyes. It just makes no sense and leave me feeling conflicted and confused.
Because you fell into a whole “Gene is a moral compass” trap in season 1.
Season 4 made it clear that Gene is a horrible person without Barry. All those narcissistic and selfish behaviors that led to the cops (mis) understanding that he killed Janice were all Gene’s doings without Barry being around. He never reflect on himself about what he did wrong so him being blinded by rage and killed Barry before Barry got to confess his crimes makes total sense.
This show isn’t Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul. So don’t expect any character to realize their flaws and find a solution.
I liked the final season and the ending, but this season definitely was hurt by the season and episode length. I think most of what they were going for was good, but they didn't give themselves the time to fully realize it. They just had to jump from beat to beat without giving the story time to breathe and properly set up their pieces. I do still like it because I think the majority of the season is great and it's really the last three episodes that it starts to fall apart. Overall it's very sloppy, and those last three episodes make it the worst season.
I always thought I was the only one who felt this way. I though the ending was trying so hard to be poetic but the plot didn’t tie itself together well enough to make it truly impactful. Breaking Bad is an example of a show that did this type of bleak cynical ending waaaaayyy better
I did not know the 4th season had come out when I saw the title of this. As I was watching the first few episodes I thought it was worse than the previous seasons but fine. I was wondering if knowing that it was disliked was impacting how I felt watching it. Then I got to the time skip, and there were so many things that I did not like that even little things really started to bother me. Like Sally getting into a car covered with snow and then it playing a sound effect as if she just drove off in that thing not being able to see though the windshield. Very disappointing final season.
Barry is one of the most overhyped shows I've ever seen. It's incredibly creative with plenty of funny moments but its also too dumb and hollow to deserve its extreme praise in my opinion. To see it compared to the likes of Succession, Breaking Bad or The Wire is mindboggling. The constant use of "incompetence" as a driver of the plot got really irritating.
You obviously go on about the conviction of Gene at the end which I agree was awful, but what I find more egregious is that they try to arrest Gene for the same thing in S2 when Fuches leads him to Janice's body and then calls the police. Somehow even though Gene has been insisting for months that Janice's disappearance is suspicious and that they have to keep searching for her, suddenly they think he's the murderer? I get that they assume its some crisis of conscience that makes him "turn himself in", but he then immediately starts denying his guilt as soon as they arrive. The only proof that they have that he did want to turn himself in is the phone recording to the police, of which they say "it sounds like him" even though it was just Fuches whispering in his normal voice.
This is even more relevant after the finale as they believe Gene is some mastermind yet he apparently had a crisis of conscience and tried to turn himself in (they would go back to thinking this as he was only cleared in S2 due to the Chechen pin but now they suspect he was working with the Chechens).
My name is Earl takes place in purgatory after he died in the intro. It ends like quantum leap. He never stops making amends.
The logic behind the parties investigating the case made absolutely no sense. That's what ruined the show for me. Barry dying and bring as innocent? Sure, I'd buy it. But the details didn't add up so I won't.
Sally didn’t deserve a happy ending. Barry shouldn’t have been killed by cousineau.
Giving a confident opinion on a TV show based on UA-cam recaps is like writing an essay on a book where you skimmed all of it but the last chapter. Sure, you can do it, but it's not going to be accurate.
I'm air wagering that you've seen Bojack Horseman...a series in which the first season is the weakest. To be fair, it's not bad, it just has a lot to set up in service to the seasons that follow.
i felt like the show was sacrificing writing, character and any logical semblance for the aake of "irony"
Preston must not have ever watched Dateline if Cousineau being put away is That unbelievable lol
I agree that they should’ve ended everything w season 3… but so far(I’m halfway through) the things person is bothered didn’t seem so bad in comparison with others
Have I watched this show? Nope. Will I watch this review and base my entire view of Barry on it? You bet your ass
I didn’t think s4 or the finale was bad, but it definitely feels kinda unnecessary.. could’ve ended the show on S3 and no one would’ve complained
The show lost something for me in season 4. Maybe it was comedy. So I dropped it in the middle of time jump episode
well i didn’t like season 3 either, I thought they betrayed barry’s character by retrofitting him being abusive in the relationship, he was a murderous assassin but he wasn’t that
Honestly i didnt even barrys actions as being abusive. I just thought sally and her stupid chick friend were just being self absorbed stupid chicks like they were the whole series.
Interesting take I’ve heard most people say they liked it
Lol Preston can’t handle the absurdity
It's so good though.
this is an inane conversation
S3 and s4 were horrendous and I binged 1-4 in a couple weeks
It should have ended with season 3. Season 4 was unnecessary.
Yeah that ending really didnt make any sense
i don't think it's a bad finale, but it doesmake feel like sheet
What the fuck is Barry?
I never got why people hate on Preston’s ASOIAF content so much, but my goodness is this a bad take.
Thought it was great. Preston trippin.
Well you saying its bad means I have to check it out now. You DID try to convince me She Hulk wasnt garbage after all.
She hulk was good if you actually watched it
@jewsco no. No it wasn't. You just told a lie.
@@grilledleeks6514 sure thing whatever you say 🙄
Thank you Preston. This show has been highly overrated, i could have wrote the outline to season 4 in a 10 minite shit
Sally is just as irredeemably awful as Barry, Hank and Fuchs. I think a lot of people don't get this point. Its pretty clear from ep 2 when she first sleeps with Barry.
Wtf was up with Sally and the guy who was attacking her at the house with the truck and in the house? It made NO sense.
None!
Why would she feel guilty for self defense either? Soooo confused 🤔
Stabbing the biker through the eye was self defence - beating him to death in a blind rage wasn’t. And anyhow, even if Sally did have a good legal defence that doesn’t mean she wouldn’t be traumatised. The show generally has a pretty critical view on the long term affects of violence and the effects it has on those who perpetrate it.
Who tf got the guy in the eye. The kid was still on the sleeping on the couch afterward. The only thing I can think of the kid did it "unconsciously," but that makes very little sense. They only reason to add it seems to be to get Sally to LA. Feeling guilty for killing, even in self defense, I think does make sense. It's what makes her human and Barry a sociopath.
@@itsjjbones i thought the incident with Sally’s attack was meant to be, at least partly, a psychotic episode/hallucination. Him complaining about his eye just like the biker - and Barry hallucinating the Biker across the season. (The cop bleeding from his eye, the biker in the background when sally was teaching her acting class, the dream on the plane)
Wrong
PJ IS BACK FOMOS
6 minutes in - Carmine hasn't actually watched the show and Preston understands about 5% of the story. Nice.
Oh wow, hot take!
Mr Inbetween is better anyways
@Erasmus1466 quite literally too. The most understated TV show of all time tbf
I was kinda hoping Preston would at least mention it but then again, not all kinophiles catch everything in this regard.
Doesn't help that its an Aussie show either, obscure by default sadly :(
"tv sucks now"
I have never even heard of this show.
I'm glad you watched it so I don't have to...there is just too much on streaming
I mean it's a good show, at least the first three seasons
It was good. You guys are crazy.
I just watched 1st season, and half of season 2, and honestly, Idk why the f*ck everyone thinks this show is a masterpiece.
Everything in its plot is so convoluted, almost nothing makes sense, and the humor doesn't land most of the time.
Episode 7 was so fantastic, but from there, the show started to go downhill.
God, the "feral girl" episode was atrocious, it is so nonsensical. It's so clear the writers just put that episode there to fill space.
This show doesn't know what it wants to be, it has no clear direction, it's just chaos.
Sometimes it wants to be a comedy, sometimes it wants to be a drama, but it's unable to find a good balance between those 2.
Honestly, I think the cringy humor just ruins most of the scenes.