Just wanna add this. Some may argue this is bad art, well fair enough. Everyone has their say about something. However, I would argue that bad art is just as important as good art. In many cases, bad art are easier to talk about, and it constantly gets re-discussed and re-circulated and eventually re-valued. In some instances, it gets resurrected and becomes good art. But still, you can't judge a work of art as bad just because you don't understand it.
The fountain is the cause of my inadequate expectations towards urinols. No, really, it took me someone to tell me it usually goes the other way around. It took me someone to tell me it was a urinol, at first I thought it was some weird fountain.
If I give you a book written in Spanish, and I then tell you this is indeed a wonderful book. Would you be able to understand it if you do not understand Spanish language? Talk about judging book by its cover. Some of you make hateful comments without even knowing its context. To understand what they were doing, you must first try to understand its history. Most the visual elements in today's culture are appropriation of the past history. Ex, your graphic t-shirts are children of modernist art
The point is Duchamp displayed something which is non-art in an art gallery. People do not buy from an commercial art galleries urinals and take it home and put on the window sill something which is artistically designed for you to piss in.
R.mutt........genius.......gets us all asking.....isnt art subjective.....duchamp shows us all........thank you mr ward.....secondary art teacher that let me study ,modern art.....in a boring school......
For the past 30 years non-art has prevailed to a period which I call Crapism. Ignorant people with more money than sense buying art which the general public and alot of art proffessionals call crap.
0:54 - "Craft is not a important element in art is more the thought" ???? So in that point of view , Andy Warhol movies are good because of the idea of it ?
What the fuck all this people are talking about ? tihis isn' art its just a urinal , the artist its just trying to prove how people reacts when you tell them what to think about what art is , and whats not.
@georgiafrombrighton depends on what emotions now doesn't it? And would you explain how conceptual art is going up its own arse? In what way are the practitioners are not skilled or have no integrity?
Along with the non-art promotion of TV/video replacing painting and performance art replacing scuplture of which have there own genre film and theatre sponcered by the art councils, art grants, art awards, art prizes, commissions, biennials, general public galleries, pointless critcs and non-art gallery/museum curators. But crap does not only lay with art many people were saying before alot of music and flims are crap. eg. The X Factor.
One of these replicas was purchased for $1.7 million dollars in 1999. Now I don't know about you, and pardon my language, but I think that's bullshit. Regardless of the concept expressed, an artwork's monetary value should be dependent on a balance between its meaning and the amount of labour put into it. If a piece like "the fountain" is displayed in a museum, that means another artwork had to be kicked out of that spot, a work that was probably more difficult to compose and took up more resources. This art piece may have conceptual value, but the amount of work put into it is so low that it unfairly robs Duchamp's fellow artists.
I defiantly don't enjoy "The Fountain." I feel that the whole point of the piece isn't substantial enough to be art. I think if anyone has to ask the question of what art is, they will probably never understand the answer, and also probably won't understand the statement Duchamp was making. And that is all this piece is, a statement.
its too philosophical and in mine and many others opinion not art. It may be provoking people and make them wonder why anyone would want to put cows in glass containers or a poo in a jars. I find it an unimaginative way of fooling rich people to buying into a name because a critic said it was cleaver. concepts were fun until they sucked the technique out of art and started being silly. i do a visual arts course and love getting stuck into ideas from john cage ect but i dont think its art
A foreign art collector like Saatchi who buys non-art for alot of money say a un made bed by Tracy Emin and sells it to a general public art museum at a profit or gives it away and is now said to represent contemporary art taste in Britain from spending so much money on crap art. The YBA's meaning here Young Bullshit Artists.
@mizzLebanese oh my bad, sorry. You'll need at least another lifetime to understand Duchamp. You can go back to studying your "high" art now and leave us the 21st century, the world we live in NOW.
This is an insult to the artists who pour their blood sweat and tears to create artwork a million times greater than this for a fraction of the fame and profit. Disgusting
@mizzLebanese whether I like it or not? Are you mistaking yourself for God? who are you anyway? I certanly know who Duchamp is. Yeah...his "low art" is in museums all over the world, it must have been so ugly that people pay money to see it....yeah... nice logic there mizzL.
This group has restored my faith in talking heads.
One of my fave pieces of art ❤
"How do we then, in the art world, quantify what is good and what is bad, generally?"
Just wanna add this. Some may argue this is bad art, well fair enough. Everyone has their say about something. However, I would argue that bad art is just as important as good art. In many cases, bad art are easier to talk about, and it constantly gets re-discussed and re-circulated and eventually re-valued. In some instances, it gets resurrected and becomes good art. But still, you can't judge a work of art as bad just because you don't understand it.
The fountain is the cause of my inadequate expectations towards urinols. No, really, it took me someone to tell me it usually goes the other way around. It took me someone to tell me it was a urinol, at first I thought it was some weird fountain.
The body language in this video is quite interesting. It's a provocative piece of art and hugely interesting in my opinion.
If I give you a book written in Spanish, and I then tell you this is indeed a wonderful book. Would you be able to understand it if you do not understand Spanish language? Talk about judging book by its cover. Some of you make hateful comments without even knowing its context. To understand what they were doing, you must first try to understand its history. Most the visual elements in today's culture are appropriation of the past history. Ex, your graphic t-shirts are children of modernist art
Thanks!
goeie foute vraag naar wat goeie of foute kunst is.. zie het liever als communicatie die succesvol is of niet, social systems theory
what language are these people speaking? English?
The point is Duchamp displayed something which is non-art in an art gallery.
People do not buy from an commercial art galleries urinals and take it home and put on the window sill something which is artistically designed for you to piss in.
Duchamp would probably hate all the turds in this video.
@MsIndiscipline You just want to argue... this isn't going anywhere. Have a nice day.
R.mutt........genius.......gets us all asking.....isnt art subjective.....duchamp shows us all........thank you mr ward.....secondary art teacher that let me study ,modern art.....in a boring school......
For the past 30 years non-art has prevailed to a period which I call Crapism. Ignorant people with more money than sense buying art which the general public and alot of art proffessionals call crap.
I think it is like a art piece, it makes out a ⛲fountain and a while below it😂
lol xD
0:54 - "Craft is not a important element in art is more the thought" ????
So in that point of view , Andy Warhol movies are good because of the idea of it ?
What the fuck all this people are talking about ? tihis isn' art its just a urinal , the artist its just trying to prove how people reacts when you tell them what to think about what art is , and whats not.
I make better art on my toilet avery day, and it comes out with different shape :D
@georgiafrombrighton depends on what emotions now doesn't it? And would you explain how conceptual art is going up its own arse? In what way are the practitioners are not skilled or have no integrity?
@MsIndiscipline I don't study baseness and low culture 'art.' Thank you.
@mizzLebanese and it's also the world you live in now too. If you think it's ugly, than your life is a perpetual hell
Along with the non-art promotion of TV/video replacing painting and performance art replacing scuplture of which have there own genre film and theatre
sponcered by the art councils, art grants, art awards, art prizes, commissions, biennials, general public galleries, pointless critcs and non-art gallery/museum curators.
But crap does not only lay with art many people were saying before alot of music and flims are crap. eg. The X Factor.
One of these replicas was purchased for $1.7 million dollars in 1999. Now I don't know about you, and pardon my language, but I think that's bullshit. Regardless of the concept expressed, an artwork's monetary value should be dependent on a balance between its meaning and the amount of labour put into it. If a piece like "the fountain" is displayed in a museum, that means another artwork had to be kicked out of that spot, a work that was probably more difficult to compose and took up more resources. This art piece may have conceptual value, but the amount of work put into it is so low that it unfairly robs Duchamp's fellow artists.
Of course its rubbish! I'm in the weird part of youtube...
"her"
I defiantly don't enjoy "The Fountain." I feel that the whole point of the piece isn't substantial enough to be art. I think if anyone has to ask the question of what art is, they will probably never understand the answer, and also probably won't understand the statement Duchamp was making. And that is all this piece is, a statement.
Exactly. It is a statement and how does Duchamp make it? Through fountain. Therefore it is art.
its too philosophical and in mine and many others opinion not art. It may be provoking people and make them wonder why anyone would want to put cows in glass containers or a poo in a jars. I find it an unimaginative way of fooling rich people to buying into a name because a critic said it was cleaver. concepts were fun until they sucked the technique out of art and started being silly. i do a visual arts course and love getting stuck into ideas from john cage ect but i dont think its art
A foreign art collector like Saatchi who buys non-art for alot of money say a un made bed by Tracy Emin and sells it to a general public art museum at a profit or gives it away and is now said to represent contemporary art taste in Britain
from spending so much money on crap art. The YBA's meaning here Young Bullshit Artists.
@MsIndiscipline :| That doesn't change anything, this is low culture, whether you like it or not.
@mizzLebanese oh my bad, sorry. You'll need at least another lifetime to understand Duchamp. You can go back to studying your "high" art now and leave us the 21st century, the world we live in NOW.
This is an insult to the artists who pour their blood sweat and tears to create artwork a million times greater than this for a fraction of the fame and profit. Disgusting
@mizzLebanese whether I like it or not? Are you mistaking yourself for God? who are you anyway? I certanly know who Duchamp is. Yeah...his "low art" is in museums all over the world, it must have been so ugly that people pay money to see it....yeah... nice logic there mizzL.
All this people speak so strange, wth, did you gave them lsd?
bloody scoucers
@MsIndiscipline I'm sorry, that the world you live in NOW is ugly.