It’s no wonder why the price of cars and insurance is so expensive. They’re passing the costs of losses on to consumers instead of having financial damages incurred by the shipping companies!
Did you hear about competition? Or a free market? If WV wants to sell their cars at a higher price you have all the right not to buy it and buy a cheaper one from their competitors. So your argument is flawed.
The problem was when the first car started to burn they couldn't do anything. The crew only could watch how one by one more and more cars started to burn. Until hundreds of cars were burning and still there was no way to stop the fire. The shipping company actually completely ignored this scenario of what to do if a fire breaks out. But isn't that as stupid as being a criminal?
The only way to transport EVs safely is to have the batteries totally discharged or flat before loading and shipping. The cars are igniting when the batteries are charged, and the energy stored in the batteries helps the conflagration start and progress rapidly until the chemicals in the Li ion batteries ignite causing high temperature combustion. Underground mining equipment have batteries that can be flooded with brine to discharge the batteries with the brine also providing a medium to absorb heat.
If the cars are manufacture locally. It will cost the buyer an arm, a leg and a kidney to buy. :D The problem is local people want cheap cars but don't want to accept low wages to manufacture the cars. The only solution is to use cheap labor oversea to manufacture the cars.
@@Shipspotting_Vietnam They will refuse to insure the shipping operators and that will include Euro car/passenger ferries and probably Le Shuttle the operators of the Euro Tunnel train that shuttles cars. I imagine Insurance companies will start to refuse mone EV's like BYD, Porsche and Mercedes.
It turned out the fire was not started by the electric cars, but by something else. At least if a ship with EV's sink there is not 1000's of liters of oil and fuel dumped in the ocean. It is interesting how someone would like to point out the ship with electric cars, but all those before carrying ICE cars where the cars were actually the cause of the fires is apparently OK.
Want to sell cars in foreign countries, make them build them there. Save our oceans and make jobs. Either that or just sell domestic made cars. I still remembered when we just had Ford, General motors, Chrysler and AMC. We had lots of jobs and none of these disasters. Now with all this global crap, this is just one of the things destroying our earth and local jobs. Count up all the foreign cars here and figure how many would have been built and sold here and parts for repair. All that is jobs and our money going the foreign countries.
@@gregjenkins2925 There are two different meanings of the word 'list' at work here. Check out the nautical (verb) vs. the presentation of items (noun). Class dismissed. 🤕😍
Seamanship issues aside, I do notice how all parties skirt around blaming EV's for the fire disasters. Sure, the incidence is rare, but it is also, once started, uncontrollable. At heart, the issue is that started by an EV or not once an EV is involved the fire is uncontrollable. This is because an EV battery is a self-sustaining conflagration. It is not a battery "fire" but a chemical reaction called thermal runaway, and that cannot be extinguished by normal procedures.
1912 Titanic hit the iceberg and sank 1915 the Lusitania was torpedo by the U-20 1956 Andrea Doria had a head on colision with Stockholm and then Andrea Doria sink. 2022 Electric car sank the Felicity Ace, what elts happened in the Atlantic sea?
They do, in service and as they age and far more commonly from the EV comparison data available but they key difference is, the fire services can put them out and they don’t have to sit in a tank of water for months to TRY and stop them reigniting.
To prevent this from happening in the future, Don't employ people who smoke . All the cars have petrol/gas in them, so the build up of fumes is present and a fire very real.
Personally, I clearly see the blame as the shipping company. As a customer, I commission a company to take my cars from A to B. The shipping company sends the offer “yes we can do it” As a customer, I have no influence on what safety requirements are on the ships. Then they would have had to reject the order if they did not have sufficient fire protection on their ships. Or they would have had to install a fire cell where only electric cars could come in... As I said, the blame clearly lies with the shipping company
They need to outlaw these lelctric cars from ships and parking them in garages. The damn thing are dangerous. Thankfully FORD just dropped the production of them.
It is possible for the EV battery to spontaneously ignite, although it is more correctly called thermal runaway. Normal firefighting procedures (starving the fire of oxygen) do not work as the battery is a self-sustaining conflagration and the fierce chemical reaction is, I believe, powerful enough to melt a container. Look at the response where an EV ignites on a street somewhere. Extinguishing the chemical reaction is not possible. Then put that car in a confined space with rubber, plastic, and perhaps other EV's crammed into a ship - or even a basement carpark.
if someone was to say these cars (that people are not buying during the recession + uncertaincy over the future of ev, petrol,diesel) are getting arsoned and other causable fates to get the insurance payout id be saying well how obvious! and we will all assume ..well ev batteries!
wow another rolo sinks HUMM??? conspiracy ? yup sure dose make for demanding market if you remove cars especially bc ppl are not buying cars or trucks repos are HIGH
Oh! such a loss to the world how can we ever cope. All that pollution to manufacture and potential pollution into our air, how can we ever survive without it. I suppose we may but I am not sure about the oceans. Oh! shit I forgot if they die we die. Damn we dead
They used to be able to starve fires by removing oxygen from the hold. Battery fires don't need oxygen. The entire ship is filled with what has been labelled as "dangerous" cargo in almost every other scenario. One goes, they all go, ship and all. It's only luck if no one dies under those circumstances. This whole battery thing is just another government(non-consenting taxpayer) funded ripoff to fill the coffers of corrupt politicians and their cronies. There is no such thing as clean battery power. They will pronounce that publicly when the money has run out for battery and they move on to something else to rape that option.
They need to redesign the ships to have multiple sealed off cargo areas insted of massive car holds were the fires or floods can rip threw them in nearly no time also an emergency inert fire suppression gas deployment system like nitrogen or argon stored in huge quantities they use that in fuel and oil tankers already take away the oxygen no more fire well less fire I guess I do realize ev cars when the batteries cells start running away with a thermal reaction then there’s no stopping them but if we could stop the fires from spreading it would be manageable at least another system that is now used on oil tankers is they use the exhaust gases from the ships main engine and is piped to the cargo holds to eliminate the oxygen this is obviously an emergency measure seeing as most people don’t want a new car that is saturated in diesel fumes food for thought lastly less top Heavy Designs ! Sure u can’t haul as much but I think if the ship doesn’t sink I could do more trips lol also less environmental damage when they don’t sink too id imagine
You can't get around crews making mistakes like not closing doors between areas/floors or miscalculating ballast - just like in this video. Car transport is especially vulnerable. It's ALL covered by insurance, the companies involved never suffer.
The Golden Ray capsized due to the ballast water requirements set by the US government. If she had been ballasted correctly or like she would have been anywhere else in the world she would have survived. Sadly the US government makes a lot of policies based on information and recommendations from the US coast guard, sadly they have limited maritime experience in the real world and this showed during the salvage operation.
This had nothing to do with US coast guard policies, the senior officer inputed incorrect information into the computer thus giving false calculations for the amount of ballast!
"Ballast water requirements set by the US government" Fuck*ing bullshit. The US coastguard has NOTHING to do with the running of these ships. What an assh*le comment.
they should have had all batteries removed off all EV before shipping them, and have batteries transport on containers on ship on the endge, if fire happens in the container, all they do is just push it overboard.
It’s no wonder why the price of cars and insurance is so expensive. They’re passing the costs of losses on to consumers instead of having financial damages incurred by the shipping companies!
It's better that way. Consumers can buy smaller cars, companies cannot operate at a loss.
Did you hear about competition? Or a free market? If WV wants to sell their cars at a higher price you have all the right not to buy it and buy a cheaper one from their competitors. So your argument is flawed.
Notice how the cause of battery fires are never mentioned.
I know what happened! Those Porsche Taycans with those crappy pouch, lithium, batteries caught fire!
Congratulations on your excellent video about the worst car carrier ship disasters around the world causing loses in millions of dollars !!!
The problem was when the first car started to burn they couldn't do anything. The crew only could watch how one by one more and more cars started to burn. Until hundreds of cars were burning and still there was no way to stop the fire. The shipping company actually completely ignored this scenario of what to do if a fire breaks out. But isn't that as stupid as being a criminal?
One term that may be appropriate for this scenario is "criminal negligence".
RISK ASSESSMENT ANYONE the ultimate responsibility lies with the pilot NOT his bosses.
The only way to transport EVs safely is to have the batteries totally discharged or flat before loading and shipping. The cars are igniting when the batteries are charged, and the energy stored in the batteries helps the conflagration start and progress rapidly until the chemicals in the Li ion batteries ignite causing high temperature combustion. Underground mining equipment have batteries that can be flooded with brine to discharge the batteries with the brine also providing a medium to absorb heat.
So lloyds of London will not insure anymore car carriers? Would you?!!!!
Hmmm, sooner or later the insurers will be unwilling to cover the risks involved in car transporters. Getting too hot to handle!
I can only imagine how much it cost to dismantle ships this size.
This is the price of manufacturing the cars abroad and then shipping them across the globe to the buyers.
If the cars are manufacture locally. It will cost the buyer an arm, a leg and a kidney to buy. :D The problem is local people want cheap cars but don't want to accept low wages to manufacture the cars. The only solution is to use cheap labor oversea to manufacture the cars.
You are so right. The problem is that, among other things, we feed communism by buying cars from China.@@yutakago1736
Any battery powered car on the ships?
That is what started the fires and then fueled the fire to the point it could not be extinguished.
@@sd906238 the Atlantic Ocean extinguished the rest of the flames.
The Golden Ray capsized due to ballast calculation error by crewmembers.
Wow, a wrong calculation leads terrible results!
Nobody else checked the numbers? How convenient . . .
Felicity Ace, Cougar Ace, Baltic Ace, Sincerity Ace . . . . such unfortunate coincidences . . . !
The last couple were started from electric car fires. Soon insurance companies will just refuse to insure them.
Do you mean no insurance for electric car?
@@Shipspotting_Vietnam They will refuse to insure the shipping operators and that will include Euro car/passenger ferries and probably Le Shuttle the operators of the Euro Tunnel train that shuttles cars. I imagine Insurance companies will start to refuse mone EV's like BYD, Porsche and Mercedes.
Yes, they are smart and control the game!! Even for heath insurance for us! same game, right? @@richardkaz2336
@Shipspotting_Vietnam No insurance for shipping them, if they have any. Higher insurance for private owners.
It turned out the fire was not started by the electric cars, but by something else. At least if a ship with EV's sink there is not 1000's of liters of oil and fuel dumped in the ocean. It is interesting how someone would like to point out the ship with electric cars, but all those before carrying ICE cars where the cars were actually the cause of the fires is apparently OK.
Sure as hell doesn't look like thick black smoke.
How can a tragedy be FANTASTIC???
It was just like we should tkink it
. . . . because it's a fantasy - someone's weird idea, usually an untruth.
Want to sell cars in foreign countries, make them build them there. Save our oceans and make jobs. Either that or just sell domestic made cars. I still remembered when we just had Ford, General motors, Chrysler and AMC. We had lots of jobs and none of these disasters. Now with all this global crap, this is just one of the things destroying our earth and local jobs. Count up all the foreign cars here and figure how many would have been built and sold here and parts for repair. All that is jobs and our money going the foreign countries.
This post illustrates a few disasters. How many total cars per year are successfully transported half way around the globe?
"EV" Cars should I say more? Fire starters.
Ships don't 'tilt', they 'list'
did you see the list - what cars were listed on that list ?
@@gregjenkins2925
There are two different meanings of the word 'list' at work here. Check out the nautical (verb) vs. the presentation of items (noun).
Class dismissed. 🤕😍
And it listed to starboard, not tilted to the right!
@@royfearn4345 gee I hope we don't get picky and start on use of nouns and pronouns -we will be forced to have the ship identify as a ?? submersible ?
Just thought you should know when a sea vessel list's over its not called a tilt it's LIST LISTING/LISTED
I don't give a toss about the cars, I'm more concerned for the environment.
Hat about all the ships sunk in the second world war ? Don't forget that are still down there !time will tell the story!
Cry harder
Seamanship issues aside, I do notice how all parties skirt around blaming EV's for the fire disasters. Sure, the incidence is rare, but it is also, once started, uncontrollable. At heart, the issue is that started by an EV or not once an EV is involved the fire is uncontrollable. This is because an EV battery is a self-sustaining conflagration. It is not a battery "fire" but a chemical reaction called thermal runaway, and that cannot be extinguished by normal procedures.
Burns at about 2000 degrees F.
1912 Titanic hit the iceberg and sank
1915 the Lusitania was torpedo by the U-20
1956 Andrea Doria had a head on colision with Stockholm and then Andrea Doria sink.
2022 Electric car sank the Felicity Ace, what elts happened in the Atlantic sea?
Meaningful video!
GOOD RIDDANCE TO THE ELECTRIC CARS.
That's what the horse and buggy folks said about gasoline cars at the beginning.
@@PeacefulMichael DO YOU HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR.
I have no car, but I think they're what's next until something comes along that renders all today's cars obsolete. .
Of course, if these ships were electric-propelled with eco-batteries, all would be eco-safe . . . . yeah, right!
YOU CANNOT USE THE TERM SAFE AND TRANSPORT TOGETHER IN A SENTENCE CONCERNING EVs!
all caps is shouting
Darn! I would ve like to have one of those cars :)
😶
I’ve never head of a gasoline car catching fire
They do, in service and as they age and far more commonly from the EV comparison data available but they key difference is, the fire services can put them out and they don’t have to sit in a tank of water for months to TRY and stop them reigniting.
Bullsh*it. The local fire department - half their calls are for fuel vehicle fires.
To prevent this from happening in the future, Don't employ people who smoke . All the cars have petrol/gas in them, so the build up of fumes is present and a fire very real.
Personally, I clearly see the blame as the shipping company. As a customer, I commission a company to take my cars from A to B. The shipping company sends the offer “yes we can do it” As a customer, I have no influence on what safety requirements are on the ships. Then they would have had to reject the order if they did not have sufficient fire protection on their ships. Or they would have had to install a fire cell where only electric cars could come in... As I said, the blame clearly lies with the shipping company
Old Old news. Cougar ACE 2008, Baltic Ace 2012, MV Golden Ray, 2019, 2022 for the Felicity Ace
This post illustrates a few disasters over the years. How many total cars per year are successfully transported half way around the globe?
They need to outlaw these lelctric cars from ships and parking them in garages. The damn thing are dangerous. Thankfully FORD just dropped the production of them.
Look like hull inadequate for its high centre of gravity
Threats to eco systems? Expect eco-loonies to campaign for an end to world-wide shipping . . . ?
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My thoughts Exactly
EV's, will peeps ever learn?
how long until EVs have to be shipped in isolated containers or without batteries?
Never going to happen. They have insurance.
It is possible for the EV battery to spontaneously ignite, although it is more correctly called thermal runaway. Normal firefighting procedures (starving the fire of oxygen) do not work as the battery is a self-sustaining conflagration and the fierce chemical reaction is, I believe, powerful enough to melt a container. Look at the response where an EV ignites on a street somewhere. Extinguishing the chemical reaction is not possible. Then put that car in a confined space with rubber, plastic, and perhaps other EV's crammed into a ship - or even a basement carpark.
Volkswagen will be building an EV battery plant in Canada in 2025.
And the latest incident July/Aug 2023 with a fire on the Freemantle Highway, extinguished and presently being unloaded @ Eemshaven, Netherlands...
Losing a Porsche 911 GT2RS? The goat herders of the world cry themselves to sleep ever night.
1 YEAR OLD NEWS! WTF
Electric cars are good for the environment .
BS
The estimated value of the cars doesn’t sound right to me .billion maybe ,not million
WHAT A SHAME...who wants them anyway...rubbish
Never trust a computer
All pre meditated "accidents", insurance is why
if someone was to say these cars (that people are not buying during the recession + uncertaincy over the future of ev, petrol,diesel) are getting arsoned and other causable fates to get the insurance payout id be saying well how obvious! and we will all assume ..well ev batteries!
they also called the RNLI but the reply was sorry we are busy picking up illigal migrants off the French coast and taking them to Dover 😂
wow another rolo sinks HUMM??? conspiracy ? yup sure dose make for demanding market if you remove cars especially bc ppl are not buying cars or trucks repos are HIGH
I think you meant 'RORO', rollon-rolloff.
Ban global vehicle shipping, more so in the new EV era.
Very amazing nothing to do about it what are their future plans
The car companies and ship owners lose nothing.
They have insurance for any loss. 🤪🤪🤪
Oh! such a loss to the world how can we ever cope. All that pollution to manufacture and potential pollution into our air, how can we ever survive without it. I suppose we may but I am not sure about the oceans. Oh! shit I forgot if they die we die. Damn we dead
....caused by E.V.:s ?? 😂
No ! Zero $ .
its ok.....probably electric crap....no one will miss them...
They used to be able to starve fires by removing oxygen from the hold. Battery fires don't need oxygen. The entire ship is filled with what has been labelled as "dangerous" cargo in almost every other scenario. One goes, they all go, ship and all. It's only luck if no one dies under those circumstances. This whole battery thing is just another government(non-consenting taxpayer) funded ripoff to fill the coffers of corrupt politicians and their cronies. There is no such thing as clean battery power. They will pronounce that publicly when the money has run out for battery and they move on to something else to rape that option.
Electric cars, " Evironmentally Friendly" lies, lies, and more lies..........
😢 sad
That is called Karma.
What karma...you're silly😅
Titanic but the cars version
Too much coincidence . . . ?
They need to redesign the ships to have multiple sealed off cargo areas insted of massive car holds were the fires or floods can rip threw them in nearly no time also an emergency inert fire suppression gas deployment system like nitrogen or argon stored in huge quantities they use that in fuel and oil tankers already take away the oxygen no more fire well less fire I guess I do realize ev cars when the batteries cells start running away with a thermal reaction then there’s no stopping them but if we could stop the fires from spreading it would be manageable at least another system that is now used on oil tankers is they use the exhaust gases from the ships main engine and is piped to the cargo holds to eliminate the oxygen this is obviously an emergency measure seeing as most people don’t want a new car that is saturated in diesel fumes food for thought lastly less top Heavy Designs ! Sure u can’t haul as much but I think if the ship doesn’t sink I could do more trips lol also less environmental damage when they don’t sink too id imagine
You can't get around crews making mistakes like not closing doors between areas/floors or miscalculating ballast - just like in this video. Car transport is especially vulnerable. It's ALL covered by insurance, the companies involved never suffer.
The batteries don't need oxygen to burn ,that is why they are hard to put out.
Boo Hoo!
so ev cars will save the world ha ha ha
No, but they will help to avoid the worst. The best strategy is to have no car at all.
THE BRIT INS COMPANY PAY FOR ALL
So happy to see these Hondas, Mazdas and Kia's sink...crap anyway
All modern cars are crap
Electric car fires.
The Golden Ray capsized due to the ballast water requirements set by the US government. If she had been ballasted correctly or like she would have been anywhere else in the world she would have survived. Sadly the US government makes a lot of policies based on information and recommendations from the US coast guard, sadly they have limited maritime experience in the real world and this showed during the salvage operation.
You sound like somebody from some foreign country.
This had nothing to do with US coast guard policies, the senior officer inputed incorrect information into the computer thus giving false calculations for the amount of ballast!
"Ballast water requirements set by the US government"
Fuck*ing bullshit. The US coastguard has NOTHING to do with the running of these ships.
What an assh*le comment.
These ships are top heavy. Unstable.
We'll turn THAT area into the modern day New Orleans too, why not? It is just so vEeeRrrrY fun to be so stupid, isn't it? Hosea 4:6!
Easy stop transporting EVs, Fools.
they should have had all batteries removed off all EV before shipping them, and have batteries transport on containers on ship on the endge, if fire happens in the container, all they do is just push it overboard.
Can't be good for the planet.did a electric car catch fire