Who's TRYING To KILL The ELECTRIC CAR? And What Can You Do About It?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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Interesting to see dealers offering 0% APR on some EV car PCPs but not on diesel/petrol. They really are getting desperate to shift EVs… I wonder why?
Why are VW having a rethink about EV's and have fields full of them and putting factories on
short time ?.
Maybe it's because people are so fixed on being anti ev. That these cars are sitting in dealers and being passed by perspective buyers. All because they may of read an article which is slagging off EVs but half of what was in said article was made up or the truth was stretched to fit a narrative. Im no eco warrior but half of whats said about electric cars is just garbage and untrue
@@prodrive0191 It's not just their EVs it's their products in general. Though, VW does make crappy, uncompetitive, EVs, and the consumer has wised up to this.
@@fredflintstone9963is that why golfs sold like hot cakes for decades and their current ice car production lines remain unaffected by ' consumer reluctance ' Face reality, it is the EV concept itself that is not in demand and deemed not worthy of buying.
Tesla number one in the world out of all cars!!!!!! not just evs.
Interesting video, I am an EV owner - Audi E-tron 50 Technik which I bought new in 2020, and here are my good / bad / ugly real world experiences and thoughts. First off, do I like the car? yes, very much, I love the way it drives, and can find very little that I don't like about it. Will I be buying another EV? (I will be changing the car this year at 3 years old) An emphatic no I will not, certainly not until the charging infrastructure is vastly improved. So, here we go, I was told by Audi that the range of the car was 193 miles on a full charge, that turned out to be untrue, the most I have ever been able to get out of it was around 165 miles in the summer, in winter that goes down to more like 130 miles, and the charge time increases. I hear Tesla fans saying "should have bought a Tesla" sorry, I wouldn't buy a Tesla for a couple of reasons, I just don't like them, I think they are ugly, I hate the interior with that huge iPad type screen, and (not from personal experience, but from speaking to several Tesla owners while waiting at charging stations) questionable build quality. I would say that over 30 months of ownership, I have wasted more than 500 hours of my life (an hour a day 4 days a week) hanging around at charging stations waiting for my car to have sufficient range to complete my journey - I travel the country in the course of my business. "Should have planned your journey more carefully" I hear you cry, believe me I do plan as carfully as possible, yes I use ZapMap, that oh so useful app that forgets to tell you that a charging station is not working, or that your planned charge point is occupied by other drivers wasting more hours of their lives. Why do I need to download different apps for different charge points? when I used to stop for petrol or diesel, I could fill up in a couple of minutes, and pay with contactless card. I didn't care too much about the weather either, if it was pouring with rain I could fill up under the shelter of a huge forecourt canopy, I have lost track of the number of times I have been soaked while waiting for the charger to authorise the charge, why are all the charge points out in the open? Finally, cost, I have a home charger which is fine, marginally cheaper than ICE fuel, (For now, what's going to happen when Tax on ICE fuel starts to decrease, higher tarrifs for those with home chargers?) on the road charging is at least equal, and in most cases more expensive than ICE fuel. One minor point, I have probably negated any potential cost savings with the money I wouldn't normally have spent buying service area cups of overpriced coffee.
Good real world points made there. Thank you.
You might like to consider the BMW i4 eDrive40. It’s a gorgeous car and I am getting 300 miles of range at the moment. I think the paying version of ZapMap tells you which chargers are in use.
@@grahamf695 Yes, that's correct. It can also give you the waiting time (in real time) of the charger you may want to use, if it's being used as you search......
Think also of women alone, or with kids, at these charging points
You showed the biggest issue. It's not EV or ICE! It's changing a car every 3 years! That's insanely wasteful. I'm not from western Europe and I don't get it. Here I'm driving the same car for over a decade, why would I change it if it works? No wonder the market here is full with "old" (5+ yo cars) from the west. You keep buying newer and thinking you're all so eco friendly and throw away everything else to eastern Europe.
Misinformation is a HUGE problem that has the potential to derail the transition.
This project could turn out to be the most important thing you have ever done.
I am very happy that you have committed to this.
More power to your collective elbows guys,this needs stopping ASAP
@@Stuart.A Those bloody stonecutters. "Who holds back the electric car?"
Political.
Can you fact check the number of charging stations. 25% are in London and how many chargers are out of service. In today's techlife, surely the chargers can report automatically if they are out.of action.
@@robindumpleton3742 Now that's a good question.
I've seen cars blowing up all the time in movies...oh...hold on..those are liquid-fueled vehicles, not EV's
Have a look at lithium battery fire anywhere here on UA-cam.
It’s utterly horrific, yes EVs can set on fire in an accident - so can petrol, but at least it can be controlled and extinguished with fire fighting equipment.
Lithium batteries can even burn underwater.
@@GadgetMart Do you ever fly off on holiday? Does the fact you are travelling along at great speed in a pressurised metal tube, being propelled along by exploding chemicals, ever cause you a moment's concern?
@@Brian-om2hh No, flying is very bad for your carbon footprint.
Having had an electric vehicle, was very disappointed with its performance especially in winter in the UK was like driving a six volt old Morris Minor or Beetle with half a gallon of petrol in the tank no heater windscreen wipers that reduced the range considerably if used constant range anxiety. I have reverted back to petrol did a 750 mile journey from West Wales to Sunderland and back in a day with two fuel stops that would have probably taken two days plus an overnight stay in an EV!
I was gobsmacked to watch this program as there was not one reference I can see to the abominable public charging situation in the UK it is a complete fiasco, and will only get worse as the number of EVs increases. How much copper will have to be mined to provide a proper charging infrastructure?
IINMHO the only way to run an EV in this country is to have it on your driveway, charge at home and just use it locally for shopping etc or leave it at the Railway Station for long journeys.
In typical EV hype fashion the fat cat EV supporters now want Joe Public to finance them to promote EVs. When they don’t address the elephants in the room ie Cost of EVs pathetic and inadequate charging infrastructure and garages unable to repair even the simplest of faults.
I do180 miles a day with 25% battery left at end of day. 95% on motorways at 120kph. Hyundai Kona. I charge at home only. I'd respectfully suggest you bought the wrong EV and based on that experience are now misleadingly dissing all EVs. I couldn't do my commute in a Leaf for example.
I am not “dissing” anyone or anything, I am merely expressing my experience with an electric vehicle I had in winter. You are fortunate that you can run an electric vehicle with enough range to eliminate the need for you to use the public charging network, for your daily commute.Bully for you!. Perhaps you might like to comment as to why the appalling state of the UK charging network,or the high price of EVs , the rapid depreciation of them, and the inability to repair the simplest faults in the main dealers workshops were never mentioned by the three presenters in the video? Finally why do they want ordinary people to become Patreons when they are already financed by the EV industry.
@@alanhoward6553 you're gone down the full conspiracy theory mode fella. Good luck to you. It would take an inordinate amount of time to answer you all your false statements. Educate yourself a bit better and stop spreading lies.
@@MrTipperXFrankly, the guy's story sounds typical for people unfortunate enough to have owned a first generation Nissan Leaf. I work for a company that owned two of them for use as corporate shuttles. The stories I heard from the drivers were similar. EVs have improved a lot since the gen 1 Leaf, but many people have been put off EVs by their experience with the bad, early ones.
The issue is that oil companies will be hit hard if the UK swap to nuclear power and EV's (hydrogen for lorries). Also a lot less tax from fuel duty. ICE cars create a lot of pollution and people are too selfish to think about anyone other than themselves. Yes EV journeys take longer due to charge stops but you should be stopping every 2 hours for a break anyway as there are many accidents caused by tired drivers. I gave up a job which required a lot of driving (40k miles a year plus 60 hour weeks). I was often having to stop due to being tired and wouldn't take the risk of killing another driver(s) or myself.
The pothole one makes me laugh...it can't possibly be anything to do with the trend to SUVs or loads of delivery vans on the road. The RAC has written a good reprot on tyres too, dispelling the tyre wear myth.
Heavy cars in general will add to this problem.
And it certainly cant have anything to do with half a century of paved roads without dramatic improvements in paving technology.
@@PjotrStroganovno where near as much as all the fuel tankers driving around to restock all the petrol stations
Bring back steam rollers to build roads properly,but electric powered versions!!!
@@Sp_75-76 Around 25% of *all* the diesel produced is used to deliver the rest of it to where it is sold or stored......
Thank you for pushing back as Misinformation has really gotten out of control lately. Some people genuinely do fear electric cars and the newspapers play to this fear as it generates clicks and revenue.
Follow the money
Equally, when countering misinformation we have to not assume everyone is anti EV
I saw a person who said "Why would you buy a new EV when the costs are plummeting" which imo is a fair thing to say
Someone else said they're talking a load of rubbish. The other person referenced UA-cam. Then the person who said they're talking a load of rubbish said that they shouldn't use UA-cam as a source
I piped in, and said look that bit is actually true. Electric car values have indeed plummeted. I gave him an evening standard link
He then said "You're using UA-cam to pretend you're right and they're only lowering in price because they're getting to the price that meets demand"
I said "Whatever the reason, electric cars are absolutely going down in price, and I referenced the evening standard, not UA-cam"
Then I was told "the gist of it is that you're wrong"
I said "even in the face of overwhelming evidence?" I clarified that I'm not anti EV at all and I'd get a Hyundai Kona if they were under 7K and if anything, EVs going down in price is great for most people. My rationale is that I barely drive.
I've not heard of anything since. Sometimes even pro EV people need to see that not everyone is against them. That, and I'm glad EV prices are dropping especially when I don't actually need to drive that often and it's therefore much harder for me to justify upgrading my car
@@waqasahmed939 The same people who said EVs need to be cheaper are using cheaper secondhand EVs as a negative.
If they are too expensive that is wrong, and if they are too cheap that is wrong.
Supply and demand is most likely the fall in price for second hand electric cars and the price of electricity.
My next door neighbour for one is like that.
I mentioned wanting to decarbonise my house.. He said "With all those electrical stuff in your house (referring to my solar panels), are they insured? I said yes. You have to tell your insurance. He also randomly mentioned just stop oil for whatever reason
He said "Good because my house is next to yours"
I then said I did consider getting an EV but I just don't drive that much. Most of my driving is to the tram and back
He said "What if you want to go to Cornwall in an EV"? I said how often is anyone doing that?
He said well people do it for their holidays maybe four times a year. He also mentioned that he's an HGV driver and drives for a living
He said it takes 6 hours one way + 1 hour of charging every two hours which adds on another two hours to your journey "
I was like "But it wouldn't. You could get a Hyundai Kona doing a real world mileage of 200 miles, stop and in 20 minutes you'd be charged up to 80%. Besides you're probably going to stop anyway because you need to go to the toilet"
He kept going on that alleged north to south distance. I said "Look, I get it if you're an HGV driver or even my dad who's a taxi driver and has a terraced house. I get it if driving is your main job main job and if driving is your main job AND you've got nowhere to charge but it's fine for the majority"
He still wasn't buying it and said he's apparently never wrong, and he hopes he won't be around when everyone has an EV. He also mentioned another couple of people in the street who got rid of their EVs in favour of cheaper cars. That couple are going through a divorce so they're probably downsizing because divorces aren't cheap
What a fool will believe!
I work in a main dealer who deals with EVs and conventional cars. All I can tell you is, we are always being asked to check the battey condition, because they don't have the promised range. We have had one car combust whilst on charge, so now we have to quaranteen the EVs.
We dont really see them between services, except for tyres and brakes ( which they go through at a heavier rate than other vehicles) they are also heavier, but the big issue is the electronics, Battery Monitoring system failiers also the safety issues when working on the hot side electronics. They also need to be quarantined if theres any battery damage in an accident, insurance companies instantly write them off if theres any battery damage.
One fact is when the batteries are finished they are landfill fodder. Most other fueled cars are very recyclable.
Personally working " in the Trade" I will never have an EV unless thats all thats left, then I might go to steam first.
They are not put in the landfill legally.
And who are your customers? Are they very well off? And do you charge the customer when you have to replace the EV battery?
I want to know what brand you work on. I have been driving electric cars for 14 years. The tyres and brakes last much much longer than any of the ICE cars I drove for 45 years before that.
And I rarely take the car in for a service because it doesn't need it, which puts a strain on companies who service ICE cars with their built in obsolescence and endless need for oil changes, spare parts, wear and tea. I know this because I had those cars for decades and they were a complete and utter money sucking nightmare that kept chaps like you in clover.
@@fullychargedshowA VW ID4 costs £38,000 and depreciates by £19,000 in two years.
A VW golf diesel costs £23,000 and depreciates by £5,000 in two years and costs £175 for a service.
And according to you the golf being an ice car is a money pit.
Thank goodness you aren't financial advisors 🤪🤪
@@fullychargedshowif your tie rods, shocks, control arms, half axels and wheel bearings are lasting longer on EV than ICE it's probably because you're driving different. If your tires are lasting longer it's definitely because you're driving different.
Debate Geoff Buys Cars .
Is it true the Quentin Wilson, a man I've grown up watching, a man I've met, a man who owns a collection of classic cars, is paid £100k a year by Tesla? Asking for a friend who wants some clarity :)
As far as I am aware, unlike Toyota, VW, Porsche or any other of them who send journos on endless free all expenses five star junkets to Hawaii to "review" a 2024 model car with slightly altered headlights from the 2023 model, Tesla does not spend any money on shills.
As I have been an EV fan for years but sadly not an owner due to my disability/unemployment the last 4 years I do spend around an hour or more a day on social media defending and correcting the miss information on EVs and renewable technology. Usually its the same miss information over and over again so any help with fact-checking will be helpful. I would say its mostly coming from our North American and UK "friends" but I'm pleased to see more owners replying to the mistruths more so lately.. Maybe its just me looking in the wrong place but the correct information regarding cobalt and lithium mining I find hard to correct people on as I'm not clear on the good and bad parts and if anything is improving in that area?
Me too and I think a good future for society will be a well developed local transport network that precludes many of us having to own our own individual cars at very high monthly personal cost.
@@philtucker1224 sadly seems to be difficult to get governments and people to accept to pay for the massive improvements we all need to public transport. Also it's also difficult to get people to accept the longer travelling times for instance I would need to get multiple buses to travel 3 miles (5 miles out of a city centre ) as it will take me over an hour but in a car it's 10 minutes (I'm partially disabled) it's also not practical at all in certain areas outside of cities.
@@markreed9853 yes I thoroughly agree. I do daily family school runs for 3 schools in our area for grandchildren of varying ages and not one of them has a viable bus option so it has to be by car which is very regrettable and expensive.
You are being misguided then
Let’s not delude ourselves about this. Mining generally has been a critical form of income for many people in mineral rich countries for hundreds of years and can provide employment where nothing else exists. We also need to be aware that ( particularly with weather generated renewables) due to their intermittent nature battery development is the only way to make these systems practical so large home-based battery banks and “power walls” will become much more common place over the next 50 years.
"Slows the transition"
Slows the transition of private transport to the most wealthy 10%.
"Electric cars aren't for everybody"
That's the truth. The 90% will be forced out.
And people who don't live in dense population areas are completely forced out.
"Electric cars work"
Electric motors work, for sure. Everything runs off batteries nowadays. The battery technology is rubbish.
"There's new battery technology coming"
They've been saying that for at least 50 years. About twenty years ago they were saying that aluminium batteries were going to change the world. We're still waiting.
Beware of cons.
Another car transporter ship is on fire with at least one dead.
Battery cars are a bad joke.
I live on a terraced street. I have no charging options. Bored of reading about cars on gardens etc, chance would be a fine thing. We need less distraction more infrastructure.
My house requires a new roof to support these, along with instalation , about £40k work, recoop in 25 years - I'm 65
Great to see you're fighting for this. I'd love to get involved. When I see these crazy comments and hear them at work, it really annoys me and I have to comment. But in a position way.
I have had my EV for 3years now without a driveway. So no home charging but I'm managing fine😊
What would also help immensely is people who charge at home and very occasionally charge on a long journey stop saying it would be guaranteed to be a nightmare without home charging. In essence they are doing the same as non EV drivers commenting on EVs. Doing the occasional charge on route in no way, shape or form gives you the experience or knowledge of those who live successfully with an EV, but without at home charging.
Not just the UK. Most mainstream Australian media. Fox in the US too
These "EV-negative" stories go viral because they feed into what people already think/hope to be true... 😕
I agree. People clutch onto anything that means they don't need to consider changing from what is familiar.
I once listened to a talk from a fascinating guy, who among other things, was described as a futurist. Using the q&a he was asked what a futurist was. He laughed, “Most people live in the past so I talk about the present & they think it’s the future, some businesses actually pay me for it too” I thought it was very apt.
The problem that I find when I get into discussion on the subject is the incredible lack of understanding of electricity as a fuel and the hysteria over range. they never think of just how much time they spend driving a car in a day. When it is pointed out that a 400 Km range means spending 4 to 5 hours driving, something that most people never do on a daily basis and that yes home charging can take 8 hours but then most people spend those 8 hours sleeping, they have just not thought about it. The other thing that people cant get their head around is that charging their car is no different to charging their phone, it becomes a nightly habit.
Totally agree. How many times do people drive longer than 2 hours and more than 150 miles ? Why are there so many accidents in summer ? Simple, people who try and drive long distances on motorways and who are tired because its not a regular thing. Infrastructure for charging is a joke in the UK but the government don't want to lose tax off fuel.
Lithium mining using slave labor to destroy the environment is somehow better in your eyes? There's currently thousands of abandoned electric cars and taxis in China rotting in fields waiting to present the newest threat to our poor earth. People do take long trips and the infrastructure isn't available ANYWHERE to support charging so many vehicles. Why should people spend exorbitant amounts of money on a ridiculously unproven and unreliable technology? And please explain to me what happens when you've actually used an electric vehicle for 6-8 years and now it's completely worthless because the battery needs replaced. Did you ever consider people can't afford to spend over half a years salary on a battery? America isn't Europe, over 150 million people here don't live in cities! People routinely live in lower cost areas and have to commute upwards of an hour and a half each way for work. Public transport isn't feasible. Get over yourself and stop looking down your nose at the less fortunate.
@@SheepletonYou are right slave/child labor is used to mine lithium in some countries, but then those same countries also use slave/child labor to mine diamonds and other precious stones, glass bottles, sports apparel and many other products that are exported to the west just so they can have nice things at low prices.
Child/slave labor has nothing to do with the production of lithium or any of the other products mentioned. It has everything to do with the corruption and greed of those running and profiting those industries. It also exists because there is a market prepared to buy those products and look the other way.
Ironically it is that same corruption and greed behind the paddocks of abandon ev's in China and corruption behind the rash of battery fires in China.
If you look these problems dont exist in the west. Tesla, Ford and VW etc. dont have paddocks of unsold EV's, they struggle to keep up with demand and have very few troubles with batteries.
Your comments re not taking long trips and lack of infostructure only show your lack of understanding, how many houses do you know that dont have electricity. Like so many you have not got hold of the idea that 95% of private cars are parked at home at night and have no requirement for a public charging network, in fact the average private driver covers 76 Km a day and the major EV models have a range of about 600 Km which is about the range of an average mid range ICE on a tank of petrol.
Yes there will always be exceptions and yes the public charging network is a work in progress but that will grow as the market expands.
@@Sheepleton So lets keep doing the same and completely kill the planet ?
@@Sheepleton Australia produces around half of the world supply of Lithium, there is no slave labour happening in Australia in fact mine workers are extremely well paid.
The panorama programme about EVs left me speechless! Apparently the only way to charge your car at home is with a dodgy extension lead through an open kitchen window with your car parked on the pavement 😂I actually laughed out loud. Oh and it's £20 to completely charge your car that way!! Funny that I can charge my car with my windows closed using a zappi charger and it's costing me approx £3.50 a week for 200 miles! I was paying £40 a week for petrol with my previous car. We also have solar panels that are brilliant and will slowly charge the car free of charge. The ignorance is astounding. I love my ID3 it's the best car I've ever had. And no I'm not a millionaire either. It's on a lease!
Lucky you, but if you cannot park out side your house, millions cannot.
@@prof1066 Check out green mole EV for terraced houses :)
Millions can which is a good start and there are plenty of companies working on solutions for public chargers along every road. We saw one at the fully charged show. Stay positive because we are witnessing good changes for future generations.
@@juliedavies5186 How do we get the electricity to the chargers using the old distribution cables currently running under all our streets? Do you know the capacity of those cables and the local transformers they are linked to? How does that compare to the total demand in a typical street in the evening when people plug in their EVs to charge on top of their lighting, heating, cookers and hobs and other household demand?
I’ve been wanting to go electric for months , so 8 days ago I traded on my thirsty 2018 Astra SRI tourer 1.4T petrol for a 2021 Renault Zoe and so far I’m so happy with it! We don’t have off road parking so are reliant on public charging network.
Having done our research we’ve found the cheapest and some free chargers near us including a free rapid charger!
Charging while we go shopping,brilliant!
My (company financed) iX3 is currently on its way from China on a boat. I wonder how long it will be before my new ‘green’ form of transport pays back the vast carbon footprint it has already generated? Never mind the environmental damage that has been caused mining the materials for the battery. Fortunately for me it now allows me to go out and buy a second hand petrol car that I will actually enjoy driving. What a bizarre world we live in.
It will take aprox 70.000 miles, but, since the car will be returned after 3 years and changed for a new one, chances are you will never have a positive footprint.
Now, if we consider the inefficient diesel generators used to charge must EVs ...
Stick with petrol or diesel!!!
How can technology be be political? Never underestimate the lobbying powers of the oil companies that have huge vested interests and money to throw around at politicians to keep the status quo.
If there is anything we have learnt over recent times is how self interested politicians can be! Unfortunately this is a political reality until they sort themselves out and start acting in the interest of the country and not themselves.
Brilliant initiative gents; thanks for making a stand for common sense!
How is it that all critical thinking people who don't buy the sales pitch immediately, who instead ask follow-up questions today are automatically labeled as conspiracy theorists? 🤔
I'm in Portugal,and was thinking about getting a Dacia electric/LPG hybrid,or an electric quad bike,but I had been put off by the rumours. Thanks for setting the record straight!!!
Just be aware that LPG seems to be on the slide in many areas now. Here in the UK, Shell are decommissioning *all* their LPG assets. LPG is actually a filthy fuel. The emissions during refining are horrendous, although the end user doesn't see these.
@@Brian-om2hhsame as buying a new EV every 3 years but seems like most EV shills in UK don't like the truth about how dirty that business is.
It’s the most confusing strange situation to an EV owner, driving your silent fast efficient and easy to maintain machine, you read the news and find bizarre and stupid stories about them. I even had a conversation with someone who had a Tesla at the supermarket, like mine. I said nice car, he said he loved it, it was a loan from his employer, shame they are so polluting! I laughed thinking he was joking, but he went on to say that he’ll stick to diesel. He was under the impression that the power from power stations was generating more greenhouse gasses than an ice car! I corrected him and he listed the other false issues, battery won’t last, catches fire. I batted them all back, but how crazy this isn’t isolated!
People seem to prefer ignorance
I would love to see a one on one interview between Robert Llewellyn and The Macmaster. I think, through argument, the two of them (both strike me as fundamentally nice chaps) could tease out some of the very real issues facing EV drivers now and identify what needs to be done pre-2030 to avoid a massive looming c**k-up!
I totally agree.
You are right .
No skin in this game - if these boys are so convinced they SHOULD invite The Macmaster for a live chat - bet they won't !!!!
It's amusing to me that they seem surprised that the MSM is misinforming people about this. Look at covid and the war in Ukraine and you will see the same thing. Disinformation is the MSM's bread and butter, so this is not an outlier.
@@michaelwhiles5282 the macmaster is in it for clicks. Truth and accurate information have no place when you are after viewing numbers.
He always charges to 100% which he knows is guaranteed to show the EV in its worst light.
His recent video showed him having to sleep in his car, which he blamed on the car, not the fact that he drove to Scotland during the high season but did not book any accommodation before hand
He also started off the trip, driving to a Porsche site to charge, arrived with 74% charge and charged to 100% then spent ages going on about he had to eat lots of biscuits and cakes because the charging takes so long
A little later on he stopped for a break, at a site where all the chargers were unused but didn’t bother charging.
I have put loads of negative comments on his videos pointing things like this out and each time got a heart from the Macmaster as the all had to his viewing scores
You won't change them. Much like you won't get them to admit that Brexit has failed.
Haven't you learned that people in this country will not be dictated to? If we are told to do something, whether it is encouraged to buy a diesel car, vote a particular way on a referendum, take a questionable jab, and now buy an EV, people aren't going to listen? They don't trust the militant "I know better because I'm an affluent telly luvvy" like Robert. Most people just want to be left the hell alone.
Keep up the good fight. I am a petrol head, but ev are just great vehicles for everyday use. I will soon say goodbye to my last ice vehicle and will be fully electric soon. Even my series 2a landrover is going electric.
Thanks for this video. You are doing a great job. I have owned an EV for 4 months and I could not be more delighted with it. Even driving to the fish and chip shop is a pleasure! I am getting a 300 mile range at the moment. Recently, I drove 165 miles from south Manchester to York and back. I left home on 81% charge and returned with 27%. I didn’t even need to charge en route.
This style of video appeals to logical analytical people like me. The challenge we face is that most people do not have the time or patience to research things in detail. They believe headlines and react emotionally. And of course bad news is more exciting than good news. The stories and videos that grab most attention are showing all the problems that one can encounter with an EV - usually wildly exaggerated. As you mentioned, we need you to demonstrate real life stories of people using their EVs with no drama whatsoever. The challenge is that stories in which nothing goes wrong are rather boring, so some creativity is needed!
I hope you ev owners thank all the children mining the cobalt so you can feel good. I hope you have as nice a day as these kids do
I have been watching the transport select committee meeting on the 15th May 2024. This committee meeting was all about electric cars and the second hand car market as the second hand electric car market is stalling. It was found that the main reasons were that a great deal of second hand car dealers will not touch electric cars as they do not have the expertise in engineers and special equipment to service electric cars so they wouldn’t put electric cars on their forecourt for sale. Customers who were thinking of buying a second hand electric car were put off buying one due to the worry of the electric car battery condition as there is no UK wide second hand electric car battery pack checking standard and the second reason was the UK charging infrastructure. If you’re interested please go to parliament live tv to view this committee meeting held on the 15th May 2024.
The plain and simple fact is that the 'greenest' way to own a car is to extend the life cycle of your current car. Be it a petrol, diesel, hybrid or EV, changing your car every 2-3 years is extremely harmful to the environment. CO2 isn't the only consideration that has to be taken into account, to build any new car requires resources to be mined, some of those mining processes are extremely harmful to both the environment and the workforce.. if we all kept cars for at least 5 years then the environmental benefits would be pronounced. Although government and motor manufacturers would detest the loss of revenue. Ultimately, that's what this has boiled down to, new cars are so prohibitively expensive that most people are getting into newer cars thanks to pcp deals. I've owned my car for 8 years, change the oil at 7000 mile intervals (unlike the manufacturers recommended 20k mile intervals) and envisage that I'll be driving it for a good number of years to come.
I've been watching you for a while now and this appeal marks a watershed not just in your vision but also for the British press as a whole. Quentin alluded to the BBC reporter and it is about time that the British press was held to account for all the misinformation, lies and downright deceipt it vomits into the faces of our poor populace. Let's get to the facts and let's start calling everything out.
But we can't do everything and I applaud your aim to call-out 'leccy lies and counter with the tailpipe truths.
Let's get one thing straight though. I am a self-confessed petrolhead. I have recently converted from a stupidly powerful SUV (20mpg) to a similarly stupidly powerful diesel saloon (40mpg) - so I've done a bit to drive down CO2 emissions. Now, you can see I can afford to buy a leccy shopping trolley and most are suitably powerful to satisfy my power crazed urges but I just can't do it. The quality, performance, price equation still does not stack up. I can't get it all for the same price - I have to compromise. And there's "range anxiety" but for me that's not really what it is. It's time anxiety. My daughter has a heart condition. My parents are old and in Scotland while I live near Heathrow. If I spend a day depleting my battery, I may not have enough left for that emergency situation. It preys on my mind. But I'm sure that in reality it is fine. But I can't afford to spend all that money on a compromised solution that might not work in the extreme situations that I know a petrol/diesel vehicle will. You need to be able to tackle the emotions around all potential use cases.
I'm reasonably educated and can see that the press spouts loads of anti-green phlegm and it's all designed to pull attention away from the critical message: we must move away from putting CO2 into the atmosphere. They tout particulate problems but lets get real, particulates are not an existential problem for the whole of humanity. They may affect a percentage of humans but right now it is not a priority. Let's nip that one in the bud. We need concentration on CO2 emissions.
However, and here is the kicker guys. I don't buy the "electrical route is the only path to God" evangelism the you and your likes spout. And trust me, it really does come across that way. As I said, I am reasonably educated but when I see so much trying to force something down my throat and governments legislating for a single path, I am naturally suspicious. Just think what most people think about you! You need to present a balanced view. If electrical really is the only future, there are a lot of people out there who are not going to be able to be mobile in 2030/35 because they either can't afford it or they can't charge effectively/cost-effectively at home or they don't have a use case that matches the current technology. These people are currently in the majority or at least they think they are. You can't win with further evangelism.
And what about alternative fuels? Why doesn't hydrogen or synthetic fuels have a place at the table? I'm genuinely confused as to why it's always just electricity that is put forward. Electric cars have a higher CO2 cost of entry, and so why isn't fuel technology that allows us to use the existing investment in ICE with minor mods also put forward as a solution? Are alternative fuels really not a contender? Nobody has effectively explained to me why it isn't. Or why it can't be a transition technology - it is in theory still better than burning petrol or diesel. Remember we are purely focussed on the reduction in CO2 production and absolutely nothing else, so explain why it won't work or adopt them as part of the overall solution. (You might need to change your name a little to accommodate: The Alternative Fuelly Charged Show?)
You really need to be better at explaining all the options. You need to accept that any incremental change that reduces our overall CO2 footprint is a good thing and has a place. You need to show the vision and the roadmap to the better future. By embracing all forms of improvement you can bring more people on the journey. I doubt there are many people who would disagree that we need to cut carbon emissions but there are far too many who don't think electrical cars work or can be the only solution now or in the near future. You need to show what else can be done in the next 20 years or so.
The Earth thrive on CO2. Without it the vegetation & people will die!
You conveniently omitted the story about the electric bus in Yorkshire which exploded and caught fire in 2015.
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They have no long-term future. I see lots of 10 year+ ICE cars on the road, same can’t be said for EV’s! They are for the rich eco-focussed crowd who won’t care what happens to them after their lease ends. Quite simply, they are too heavily flawed.
Would it be an option to find famous and so popular people with millions of followers who are excited about driving an EV, to let them tell their positive story about EV and show that on all the online media?
I was thinking the same myself. Let’s not just defend, but also promote the obvious (and not so obvious) benefits.
How about getting somebody like Stephen Fry to thoughtfully and gracefully reply in the Guardian and rip the Atkinson article apart?
WHy should we believe them? They are mechanically clueless
@@Anonymous-ib8so why would anybody beleive that other actor/ comedian? Why do newspaper copy it?
It all about marketing. Only 3% of the people have any technical background to understand EV technology.
@@torquewindturbine5867 Rowan Atkinson is also an engineer so knows what he is talking about . Other than swallowing the EV propaganda of the industry lobby where do you hget you "facts" from?
hi guys, if battery EVs are so good why are we having them forced upon us? Why aren’t they allowed to naturally progress and eased into society? What’s wrong with investing in fuel cell vehicles? It’s not that long ago that the government was pushing diesel powered vehicles instead of petrol powered vehicles, now it’s the devil’s fuel. I went out and bought a diesel powered vehicle back then and I was over the moon with it, £20 a year tax, 50 ish mpg around town (more on a long run) 500 ish miles per tank, like to see a battery EV do that, then the sitting around for hours waiting to charge up and that’s if you can find 1 that’s working never mind that’s empty, besides that what about the millions of us that don’t have the privilege of a drive to charge the EV on? Myself along with others are lucky to even get our car parked outside our home. We are just not ready for these monstrosities yet. I really do hope am unable to drive anymore before am forced into 1 of these things.
"What’s wrong with investing in fuel cell vehicles?" Fuel cells are fine where cost is no object - space travel - but the electricity-hydrogen-electricity cycle is appallingly inefficient. Good luck with your clinging to outdated technology, but at some point you are going to be priced out of your prejudices. Have you even considered the NO2 pollution you contribute to, and the damage to people's lungs?
@@fredflintstone9963 out dated technology, so what’s battery EVs? The Victorian’s scrapped the idea as it wasn’t fit for purpose.
I'm going to share a secret with you. Oil is becoming too expensive to run your economy on. China realized this and invested and now western countries are panicked because the petrol dollar is collapsing. Make no mistake if we continue to use the technology we have meaning internal combustion engines there will be a precipitous decline in the quality of life in the west
@@any-car-will-doour changing climate has a video about this actually I recommend you check it out. Because your wrong
Thanks for that - I had no idea that the Victorians had lithium batteries!
Well, a lie within the first 2 minutes-don’t bother watching this- ev sales are falling i.e. Volkswagen
And you should see just how many Chinese ev’s catch fire.
Much as I agree that EVs are going to replace ICE vehicles, the problem remains that a power station the size of Hinkley C will produce 3.2GW (peak), meaning the entire output of that station could support 320,000 EV charging points in simultaneous operation - provided each point was limited to 10kW. If you look at a rapid chargers (43kW), that falls to just 74,500 vehicles.
When the government talks of installing 2.3 million chargers, that translates to 8 nuclear station the size of Hinkley C for 10kW charge, or 32 nuclear stations for fast chargers. For wind energy, that would be either 24 or 103 offshore wind farms the size of Hornsea A. This would exceed the size of the UK territorial waters in the North Sea.
I'm honestly not sure what the way forward is here - however [white] Hydrogen (which seems to exist in natural quantities that exceeds global oil by x200) is a very real option.
Hi, I am a subscriber and a regular viewer of the channel. I really enjoy your videos, so thank you for producing them.
I don’t usually comment but I wanted to share my opinion following your ‘ Who is trying to kill…..’ vlog.
I am an average person living in the UK and I’m not involved in any way with the media. I can only really afford to purchase & run one car at a time. My views may, therefore, be reflective of other people living in the UK.
I do not own an EV and am not planning to purchase one in the foreseeable future. I’m not saying that I’ll never buy an EV, I may do when some of the developments you mention in your videos become reality.
To me, the purchase of any vehicle is an important one. After my house, a car is the largest purchase I’ll ever make so the decision of what to buy has to be correct.
The reason I have not purchased an EV is simple; they are far too expensive and do not meet my needs as well as an ICE vehicle. That’s it, it is nothing to do with what I’ve heard from a celebrity or what I’ve read in the newspapers.
I need a vehicle that is fairly priced, safe, reliable, seats 5 adults in comfort, provides me with convenience, saves me time, doesn’t depreciate rapidly and looks reasonably good. At the moment, on balance, an ICE vehicle delivers these needs better. If the balance changes in favour of EVs I will switch.
As I share the sentiments of this channel, if I could, I would buy an EV as a second vehicle to use locally, but, unfortunately, that is not possible.
I also have doubts on the government’s commitment to EVs as all our prominent leaders are still driving around in large ICE vehicles and are not leading by example.
I’d welcome your comments.
I totally, 100% agree with you.
I know there are electric vehicles available now that are more than adequate for what you state you need. No question.
However, they are all new cars, and new cars are very expensive.
I didn't lease a new car until I was in my late 50's. I always had very old, battered, worn out vehicles which I can now see, trapped me in an endless round of mechanical anxiety, breakdowns, endless expensive engine, gearbox, clutch repairs.
I may have got the car for £250 but it cost me £5,000 over 5 years to run it, and that does not include the expensive fuel it burnt very very efficiently.
So I am hoping I live long enough to see a huge 2nd, and 3rd hand EV market. The cars will last longer and require less expensive repairs, they will be cheaper to run.
So for the time being, keep the vehicle you've got and don't worry about it. Electric cars will happen anyway, the more wealthier people and companies buy now (massive growth in sales even this year) the sooner there will be decent 2nd hand cars around.
And just in case you are wondering. By June this year, 18,000 new rapid chargers were installed, there are also some interesting solutions fro alternatives to home charging emerging.
@@fullychargedshow Thanks for your reply. Actually I only buy new cars and I bought a new Mazda 6 GT Sport last year. My point is that a comparably sized / speced EV costs at least double, maybe three times, the price. As you say leasing is an option but high purchase prices plus interest charges make monthly repayment too high. I’m also unsure how much demand there’ll be for second hand EVs - the battery in my iPhone only lasts half as long after two years. If the same is true in vehicles who would want to buy one? Time will tell I guess.
Great work Gentlemen, I have a 21 year old Astra van with 275,000 miles on it. it's worth £500, witch is what I payed 7 years ago for it, I truly want an electric van but until they get more common and prices drop then I'll have to wait...But, I do want the transition for I.C.E. to electric vehicles, and clearer social media regarding the facts, sounds like a good move, "Stamp out the lies".
Yours, (sort of carbon neutral)
Lister.
"I have a 21 year old Astra van" toxic spewing pollution van.
appropriate, but unfortunate name there Lister(😉)
Smeg!
Guarantee that Astra will have a lower carbon foot print over it's life than any EV you buy!
@@impy1980 Guaranteed not to
Though there is an argument for keeping an old vehicle for as long as possible, if you're using less than the "average" miles ie : if you sold it someone else would only pollute MORE
@@impy1980 and you're wrong. Engineering Explained produced a video that debunks this.
I liked the bit where the grumpy bald guy was moaning.
Writing off anyone with concerns is not the way to go, just respond with the facts and keep responding with the facts until people get the message
I think it’s also necessary to first acknowledge and then address their fears. This tends to be a more effective strategy for changing minds than repeating facts.
Nobody is trying to kill EVs.
They just arent viable enough.
The real world range is not competitive, cars are too expensive, lithium/cobalt/manganese sourcing has become a logistics and ethics issue, batteries dont last long enough, the grid does not have the charging capacity and the charging infrastructure does not meet the mass adoption requirements.
On another side electric motors dont produce satisfying music of combustion engines and they dont come with a manual.
These problems will be fixed in the near future and then we will be fine.
Exaclty , like driving a car and EV transported from China and thinking's it's good for the environment :)
Models planned for release in the next 2 years will have minimum ranges of 300 miles, faster charging and better longevity.. cobalt is used in the petroleum industry, it’s being phased out in EVs. Sodium batteries and other chemistries are being phased in by CATL ( the largest manufacturer) grids absolutely will be able to support mass use, cars and battery development actually support grid storage( there’s many videos on this channel talking to the national grid)
Likely the car of 5-10 years from now will be price parity or cheaper than fuel, charge in ten minutes and averaging ranges 400 miles -600 miles
@@johhny711Vast numbers of ICE cars come into the country from abroad, probably more than the few EV’s, as there are so many more ICE cars - at the present
I decided to buy an EV as my next car in 2018. I have an Aptera on order. They hit my price point first. Your videos helped me make this mental shift. Good show!!!
Here's one for you.....Electric car to blame after 18,000-tonne cargo ship explodes into fireball in North Sea.
Battery fire destroys Lancia Delta Evo-e RX team cars, shuts down World RX event in UK
Great conversation about a really important and very disconcerting subject.
I've noticed a big increase in anti-EV and renewable views expressed on mainstream and social media, which seems to have coincided with a big increase in EV sales. I'm not surprised to hear Quentin Willson say that big automakers are getting very worried about the potential impact of this negativity on their manufacturing strategies.
I really like the idea of getting the voices of ordinary people who have adopted EV's, solar panels and home batteries heard. This will stand more chance of being believed by the general public than the voices of most politicians.
But sales have FALLEN in the real world, and depreciation is off a cliff! EVs are unsustainable and are far more harmful to the environment than UCE vehicles. It's far better to run older cars for longer, compared to a throwaway replace every three year society.
I live in York and there has never been a fire on any of our electric busses. There are too many people who just do not understand EV's at all.
We definitely need this! I live full time and work out of Motorhome in the UK and hate the fact it has a diesel engine. There are no cost effective 4tonne Motorhomes available to me yet, I am even considering retrofitting batteries and electric drive to my existing Motorhome (I feel the transison to stop burning stuff is that important). The Motorhome industry is way behind the times not helped by the large van sector manufacturers dragging there heels. Trying to change the mindset in this industry is going to be a challenge but I am up for it.
The van sector in general is pathetically behind. My work are going electric but as there is no medium van with a decent range I’m going to be getting a hybrid transit custom when the new one is released rather than the pure electric version. The electric will apparently only have 230 mile range (far less with the amount of equipment I have to carry) which is not even close to what I need. Plus I sometimes don’t go into base for days at a time and don’t have a charge point at home.
It's a similar story for narrowboats. I am in the process of converting mine, and the number of people I meet who are saying it's a bad idea is amazing. Fine, if you don't want an Electric car, boat or solar panels, FINE. Just don't stop anyone else getting one!
@@alanbeckett4 I had a similar experience recently with a couple of colleagues (only with them for a days course) who were obviously against the idea of EVs. I have been on the hunt for for one (picked up on sunday) but they were going at me quite aggressively trying to stop me. I had to walk away as they were far too ignorant to even allow others to do what they want let alone be supportive of new technology.
@@markgambrill I often have to ask them "Do you play golf? If not, you don't object to other people playing golf? It's good to know then that you let other people do what they want to do, isn't it?" I used to be able to say "The longer it is before you get an EV, the longer I'm paying zero road tax" but of course our enlightened government is putting paid to that in 2025.. Although my dad's 1.9 diesel 'ecotec' will apparently still qualify!!
Where do you think the electricity to charge your potential motor home comes from? Before you worry about this part of the world Asia has to clean up its act. Which it won’t.
My Mum handed me a page from the Daily Mail today (20/7) with an article headline "Why your electric car is nowhere near as GREEN as you think" 🤦♂️
Guess what some of the points they highlighted were...
- CO2 produced during manufacture (24t Polestar 2, 14t Volvo XC40)
- "Particulate pollution, tyres & brakes produce 2000 (in big font) times as much particulate pollution as a car engine", and
- "A typical electric car puts 2.24 times as much stress on the road surface as an equivalent petrol car, meaning existing potholes face greater damage"!
You weren't kidding that they are churning this stuff out! Going to be tough to counter it all... 😕
How can you not criticise the lack of charging points infrastructure in the U.K. today ?? There are not enough working and fast charging points available for the EVs on the road today. If you are able to find an available working charge point when you need one, you need to add an hour to your journey, and the cost of charging is getting higher all the time. A fully electric car only works if you are driving up to 200 miles round trip which means that you can always charge from home. Longer trips only really logistically work with a hybrid.
I was at a climate change meeting with work yesterday and the speaker said that multi storey car parks will need to be reinforced due to the mass adoption of EVs.
It was also suggested that the roads will melt!!????
I hope you stood up and refuted that nonsense
Interesting times, I drive a plug in hybrid as I had concerns about the charging infrastructure, I.e. range anxiety. As a retired guy mileage for me is low and I’ve found that on average 80% of my driving is on pure electric, and it’s great. On a 100 mile journey the car will do 50% on battery using regenerate braking, works really well. My next car will be electric in the future …. would you appreciate support from a PHEV user?
We would definitely appreciate the support of anyone, especially someone who's prepared to try different technology.
I'm only 77yo and I'm not retired as I work in the forestry industry & have owned BEVs for 14 years now.
Most of my driving is into remote areas with poor charging infrastructure; I have never suffered from range anxiety as I always plan my journeys out in advance.
@@fullychargedshow
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Well said!
Very well said indeed!
By your comment I take it that you are going to move towards hydrogen fuel cell cars, then.
Sales of new PHEV will be banned in 2035.
For the hard of thinking, isn’t it obvious that the drive to increase energy prices (to ‘reduce demand’) is going to make electric cars much less attractive to the average punter!
‘They’ don’t want us travelling at all…..
Yet there are power companies who sell tariffs with reduced costs for overnight charging, because it makes them a lot of money for a time period when most aren't using electricity.
I have had my Tesla Model 3 for 16 months - public charging only and wouldn’t go back to ICE, I try to myth bust as best i can on social media and friends and family, especially about batteries bursting into flames.
@rotenone3871 You do realise that ice vehicles are at least 22 times more likely to catch fire than a bev vehicle. Do your own research don't believe what you read in the oil and gas industry sponsored main media.
The EV killed itself by having very high prices on new cars, and second hand prices are droping below the floor here, so just buy a new EV is a loss of $10k driving home from the dealership. Thats why I stay away. edit: a new ID3 with 58kWh battery is $44k with little extras. I get a luxery VW Aerton hybrid for the same price and with a second hand value that will be like a new car right now.
It's more difficult than we think for the Western Anglo world to extricate itself from entrenched fossil industry deviousness.
It’s not just big oil that we are up against its also car manufacturers who fund and promote anti EV stories especially the ones with acres of unsold ICE cars. Many have been caught out by the faster than expected adoption of EVs.
They really are short sighted. Don't they realise that they wil be out of business in 6 1/2 years time with that attitude.
Nonsense dealerships are pushing EVs as their primary sales pitch, go, go on, go to a dealership as a potential customer, they'll guide you to the EV unless you state you want ICE.
@@rogerphelps9939 Some seem to think it just can't happen. I call it the Titanic Effect.
Charging network is not there and never will be.
If a family has 2 or 3 cars who charges first.
Blocks of apartments or flats who gets to use the few charging points available.
Terraced houses that have no drives how are they going to charge.
Takes too long to charge at charging stations/points.
Adds so much extra time on the journey if you want to change your mind and go else where you can not always plan journeys.
Costs are to expensive to charge vehicles if you cannot charge at home.
The purchase price are ridiculously high.
2030 is way to soon and people will die because of this.
Trucks, Boats, Planes, Container ships, Helicopters and so on will always use fuel beyond 2030 aswell as the vehicles used to mine them.
And the biggest one of all most power stations still use coal.
There are so many negatives to the 2030 deadline most of these problems I have stated maybe over come in 20/30 years later but not by 2030.
Also I realise I should have said the positives aswell
If you have a drive and can charge from home its so much cheaper for now.
The drive experience is amazing.
They are great for short to mid journeys.
Less moving parts.
Maintenance is supposed to be a lot cheaper.
Not much more that I can think of for now.
So what I think you should do is be honest and explain pros and cons not just the pros.
You did a good job of scooping up every possible downside of electric cars and have convinced yourself they can never work.
You are not alone in doing this and it's perfectly understandable, if slightly misinformed.
Believe it or not, thousands of people have spent the last 15 years talking about exactly these problems and are coming up with solutions.
Those solutions are still developing.
I'm going to quote you here "2030 is way to soon and people will die because of this"
That is insane, no they are not. It's utterly ridiculous. After 2030 there will be 20 to 25 million, I repeat million combustion vehicles on the roads. No on, never, not one person has ever said 'everyone has to have an electric car by 2030. That would be insane.
You can't buy a NEW petrol or diesel car after 2030, that's all. You can buy a 2nd hand one for ever. You will be able to buy a 2nd hand petrol car in 2070 if you want.
The other interesting list you wrote, "Trucks, Boats, Planes, Container ships, Helicopters" slightly random but never mind, what about trains.
Anyway, everything on that list other than container ships will be electrified in the next 10-15 years. There are already 400,000 electric vans on the roads of Europe, and that number is growing by about 5,000 every month.
There are already over 5,000 100% electric 24-36 ton trucks made by Volvo already in use. I am about to test a 26 ton excavator on Friday, 100% electric. I have been on an electric plane, I will state now that in 15 to 20 years time, all short haul flights will be in electric aircraft, and as for helicopters, seriously, they are toast. They will all be replaced by electric VTOL planes in the next 5 years, this is already happening.
And one last and in some ways the most important point and one you have definitely read on QA-Anon, Fox News, GBTV or the Daily Mail
In the UK in 2010, 40% of all our electricity was generated from burning coal. In 2023 that figure is now well below 1%.
We do NOT burn coal to make electricity. we now produce between 30 and 60% of all our electricity from wind. Simple fact.
My neighbours bought one of those 'MG' EV things.. He has had it six months and says its the worst decision he has ever made. He can't deal with the range anxiety.
It is the depreciation he should also be worried out.
@@bw1376not really, he might have got it pre owned or on lease so depreciation doesn't count
Mg ev things??? Really...
@@jamie1992ful Lease companies take into account how much something will likely depreciate as they won't be the one taking the hit on the car when it comes time for them to sell it on once the lease is up.
@@bw1376 maybe so but most EVs are from lease companies so after a year or so they are sold on to dealerships take the Renault Zoe for example, brand new the are £30k a 2 year old with less than 30k miles can be picked up on auto trader for less than £15k
The genesis and growth of a directed attack via the British media, is so formulaic and effective - it's almost poetic. It's pretty obvious that the usual lobbyists and 'thinktanks' are playing out a tried and tested campaign, aimed at influencing a public reaction. I hear you guys describing step by step the identical methods of attack on EVs that we saw on woodburning stoves in my industry. Strange how both are reducing fossil fuel use and both draw negative comparisons to diesel HGVs and commercial vehicles.
My friend thinks national grid won't. Manage because surge in demand for electricity advised him most people charge overnight which is what the grid wants
What a Crock
I urge you all to watch geoff buys cars counter to this video. He speaks far more sense.
Who are you kidding? He is just after clicks. Why does he also comment on covid conspiracies.
I have a couple of questions for these three Electric car "fanatics".
1) Do these EV's cost more than an ICE car to build.
2) Are these EV's heavier than a comparative ICE car.
3) Is tyre wear more excessive on an EV.
4) Which EV costs less to buy than its equivalent ICE car.
5) According to the AA, it now costs more to run an EV than an ICE car.?
6) Is it cheaper to insure an EV than an ICE car.
7) Which EV is faster to re fuel than an ICE car.
8) Can you guarantee that you can re charge immediately on locating a charge station.
9) My ICE car will do 700 miles in just over 10.5 hours, 1 fuel stop. The EV equivalent is -?
10) Which car is cheaper to de commission at end of life, an EV or ICE car.
11) Where is the EV tractor that can pull a five furrow plough for 8 hours a day.
12) Where is the EV HGV that can pull 44 tons for 12 hours a day.
13) As for an EV Bus outselling a Diesel bus, where is the EV that can carry 55 people 500 miles.
If you live out in the sticks, EV's are useless.
Thankfully people are now starting to realise that these EV's are not really fit for purpose, unless you are a "townie."
I look forward to you three EV fanatics answers.
May I comment? Some of the questions you know the answer to and some aren't currently solved by an EV but there are some which are more nuanced than is often portrayed accurately.
3) Tyre wear, some EVs have EV rated tyres, no difference unless you hoof it (which is easy and fun!)
5) AA and all the others report this and then in small print "if you use only public charging". The cost to run is exceedingly variable from 0p per mile (solar charged) to possibly 20p per mile if charged only at a stupidly priced public charger. Typically, if charging from home, the first 200+ miles will be at a cheap rate leaving only the delta to be covered by whatever public rate. Given that 80%+ of charging is done at home then for most EV drivers, it's far less than diesel.
If I were to exclusively use my local Tesla supercharger off peak, it would be 9.5p per mile. Still cheaper than average diesel.
6) Exceptionally subject to circumstances
7) Lots of factors there which couple up with 8) and 9)
I have a diesel which on a good run could do 700 miles, i've got very close with a run to Scotland and back but...I stopped and also passed fuel stations on that route. I didn't need to carry that much fuel, we just do because it's inconvenient to fuel up.
I recently did a 339 mile round trip which included a charge time of 11 mins. During which was a loo break so the car did its thing while I did mine. No overall delay. The problem is people trying to use EV like ICE where they run flat and then think they have to charge to 100% again.
So the object isn't to compare single trip stats but overall blended results for a true picture and if you were to plot a trip of 700 miles, my expectation is that for ICE, you'd probably also stop. Yes there are always the superheros who do Land's End to John O'Groats, both ways, daily commute in under 20 hours, uphill both ways etc., personally i've never needed to do that trip but it's amazing how many anti EV drivers seem to do that one ;)
Another example which was interesting from a comment the other day, someone who said "I fill my Corsa with £30 and do 232 miles in 5 days, just 5 mins to add that fuel, can an EV do that?"
So assuming that's his 47 mile commute each day, for an EV it looks like this...Arrive home each day, plug in (takes 10 seconds if you're slow). No need to visit a petrol station, 232 miles driven in the same 5 days, time used to "fill" 50 seconds.
I'm not saying an EV is for everyone but those are just illustrations when making appropriate comparisons rather than trying to do EXACTLY the same behaviour.
I don't care what anyone drives, nor do they need to worry about my choices. Drive what works for each.
So you obviously have your own biased opinions on EV vehicles. However i have known 3 separate individuals who have gone back to ICE cars after bad experiences with EV’s. personally i think developing cleaner fuels will be the future but obviously thats not good for your business so i understand your bias towards electric cars.
If we all got electric cars the grid could not produce enough electricity and the amount of chargers are not being installed fast enough.
What if many of us also got solar panels? What if governments, businesses and municipalities added solar panels? Introducing EVs into the mix is not something that is being done in isolation.
@@will-hughes Why do we want solar panels when they just look ugly, barely pay for themselves over their lifetime, are polluting to manufacture and difficult to recycle?
Good work chaps! We are with you. It is disheartening hearing incorrect info from famous people. I actually don't understand Rowan on this but his work on free speech is incredible btw.
20million vehicles in Australia.
1million new each year.
20years to replace every ICE vehicle.
Unless old vehicles become too expensive and no resale value. Then only a decade with the future becoming obvious.
Australia may need a surge of EV to handle the rapid increase in rooftop PV.
Australia has to close down old unreliable generators.
A double incentive.
A good move guys. I applaud your commitment to honesty. I agree that this is the only way to counter this nonsense, but as your opponent won’t be playing by the rules, it’s going to be tough.
I’m constantly having people tell me electric cars are slow, catch fire and can’t drive in the rain 🤦. Because you know apple can make your phone waterproof but Tesla can’t make a waterproof car
That comment sounds like bullshit to me. EVs are generally well known to out accelerate a petrol car, and you're telling me people have never seen an EV in the rain? Well, I never!
@@impy1980 you would think it sounds like bull shit but sadly it's not. These comments are mostly for people over 50 who don't really use UA-cam to see such evidence. My younger friends know there fast and drive in the rain but seem to be addicted to spending thousands on modifying rust buckets to have the loudest turbo dumps and the loudest exhausts
I loved EVs until the price of my car lost 12 grand on my 2018 Nissan leaf in two years and similar model 2018 Nisan Juke I part exchanged hasn’t lost anything or very little. So I am buying a diesel vehicle soon.
I have NO PROBLEM with EV's becoming popular! What I do take issue with, is the removal of ICE vehicles from the new car market, before EV technology has been perfected and made SAFE! Ever talked to the fire service about the EXTRA dangers to service personnel and the environment after an accident? Ever discussed the fires at charging points? Ever discussed the EXTRA PARTICULATES that are produced by heavier vehicles' BRAKE DUST and TYRES?
Why do these "zealots" constantly talk about cars parked outside schools with their engines running? ANY PARENT WORTH THEIR SALT, gets to the school early, in order to FIND a parking space! They turn off the engine, (unless they need the heater working?) because they might be sat for upto 20 minutes waiting for their little cherub, because the had to get their so early. WHY are these EV FOOLS not advocating kids WALK TO SCHOOL? Maybe even walk to school yourselves, and escort your little dartling home yourselves? Use FOOTWEAR instead of TYRE WEAR?
Referring to ICE owner/drivers as narrow minded or CLOSED minded, is deeply offensive! Is it not MORE closed minded to ignore the evidence presented by those who have done the research, and TRIED the tech, but found it impractical or NOT the financial boon it was promised?
EV's are continuing to prove they are NOT as reliable, or cheap to run as ICE cars. They are NOT the environmental saviors we were looking for. They NO LONGER MAKE SENSE!
What DOES make sense, is the societal forces that drive CONSUMERISM! A survey was done back in the 1990's about how to make cars more environmentally friendly! They looked at environmental costs of production, transportation to market, use, (fuel costs and effects) and end of life costs, via recycling and scrappage! The Land Rover Defender and the Jeep Wrangler came in the top 5! The Jeep was FIRST! Reasons were simple! ...BOTH CARS, although heavy drinkers of fuel, were LIGHT and not built for speed. They LASTED FOR DECADES! More than half of the entire production runs of each vehicle, were still in use decades after they were built, and easily repaired at the side of the road, with a basic tool kit! They were SIMPLE machines, and the cars transcended the "built in obsolescence" that was fast making cars fashion accessories! I would suggest that cars like the MG Midget, the MBG, and many classic cars that are still being collected and run as daily drivers, now fall into this category, of "environmentally friendly"! The carbon they still emit is ,by far, offset by the reduction in NEW CAR SALES! (and therefore, their manufacture!)
Our problems with the environment cannot be solved by building MORE machines! We need to STOP BUILDING MACHINES ALTOGETHER! Make the ones we already own last longer! We need to STOP having so many children! (we ACTUALLY NEED a global war to reduce the population and it's overall demands on the resources we have! ...but I'm not sure that would be politically popular?)
Huh, instead of random person, you guys say odd person - love learning cultural differences!!!;)
Lots of people are two car family. I think we should be talking about people owning at Least one electric car.
I have Nissan Leaf and a Prius. This works really well because we just swap cars depending who has the longest commute.
It's very very rare that we both have long trips on the same day.
As soon as I can afford it the Prius will be swapped for Tesla.
We just went with a plug in 2023 Prius. Love ❤️ it
We're in transition, so yes, it's going to get messy because there will be winners and losers. If the oil companies are sensible, they will be using their income to invest in renewables and renewable energy infrastructure, including charging stations, although they may not have the vision for this and end up doing a spectacular imitation of Kodak. The writing is on the wall. However, I think it likely they will also try to keep extracting and selling hydrocarbons for as long as they possible can, if not in the advanced nations, then to the developing ones. This will be a test for the effectiveness of global politics.
It's interesting with developing countries how often they skip stages in technological development - eg places with no energy grid at all where people are using solar and battery so kids can study at night. Years ago a company we used to provide a voicemail system were selling voicemail services to people in African nations, where the people had no telephones, no mobiles, but used the service via public phone booths to run small businesses.
I'm with the MacMaster. Let's say his experience of owning one is shocking. Rowan Atkinson talks complete sense to.
They need to be a lot lighter, and have 500mile range in the winter, with very fast charge. then I'd get one... Until then they are terrible vehicles that don't work for most people and are terrible for the environment.
That’s the point they are terrible for the environment as time will tell.
(What happens to all the dead batteries in a few years time?)
As someone who would like an EV my biggest issue is charging at home as this would entail having a lead going across a public footpath and common grass area so about 50ft from my front garden before I could reach the car, I would also not be happy to leave my car on a public charger 1/2 mile from home even though there are more public chargers here than petrol stations.
The other issue I have is with the cost of new EV's due to the level of technology they add to the vehicles if I could get a new EV that had very basic equipment more akin to a 1960's VW Beetle or a Caterham that would be great this would also make them lighter and more efficient. Hmm I wonder if we could start a car company here in Scotland maybe called Scottish Car Company or something.
EVs are a great target for selling FUD news. We also have a badly educated public. I saw an uneducated public with DVDs. That people needed educating to understand the advantage over VHS for buying films. Instant access, better picture, storing surround audio, extras. And DVD took a decade to go from a "new thing" to being eveywhere. And that was apparently was adopted more quicker than most tech.
Would it be possible to produce a series of 'shorts' with titles that would appear in a search engine such as 'Yorkshire electric bus fire' and have 90 secs of facts and information perhaps backed up by a longer video?
I would be interested in your response to the THE UNDENIABLES put forward by GEOFF BUYS CARS on his UA-cam Channel regarding EV's
1. Where do the materials for the batteries come from?
2. How much environmental harm is done by an EV before it drives away from the dealer lot (in comparison with a petrol or diesel car)?
3. Where does the energy come from that tops up the battery?
4. Does the UK have the infrastructure to move everyone to an EV?
5. Does the world have the materials to move everyone to an EV?
6. If we do move everyone to an EV, what will be the environmental cost?
7. Do insurers know how to deal with EVs in event of an accident?
8. Do the fire service know how to deal with EVs in the event of an accident?
9. Are EVs causing more damage to our roads due to their weight?
10. Are car parks and bridges at risk if we all adopt EVs?
11. Why is the depreciation on EVs so awful compared to petrol and diesel cars?
12. What do we do about people who cannot have a charger installed at their house, eg people renting, council tenants, terraced houses etc etc?
They don't like answering questions. They'd rather push feelings, which is why Robert quickly identifies himself as "sensitive" towards the start of the video.
It's cold in Yorkshire most of the year which means the vehicles will never run efficiently therefore increasing the amount of time I will need to charge the car. This is a fact as you know. Therefore my car as an eV is worth less immediately. The figures given on range are ridiculous. EVS are plummeting in value. Only people with secure drives can have a charger. Millions live in properties with on street parking. It is more expensive to charge a car using fast chargers at stations. My little diesel fiesta goes to London from the Yorkshire Dales and back on one tank so 60 quid. I don't need to stop at a services to buy an expensive coffee while I wait for 40 minutes if I can find a vacant charger. I can't afford 35k plus for a new vehicle and why should I be forced to. The list goes on
Every single one of those points has been refuted a multitude of times on this channel, but you choose to stick your fingers in your ears and go, la la la...
ROFLMAO... nobody is trying to kill the electric car you fluffers! The electric car is killing itself .
Just ordered our second EV. Won't go back to ICE. Keep on banging the drum, the message will get through, eventually.
This is clearly needed to balance the argument set by fossil fuel companies and those that are misinformed. I think most voters now rank climate change very highly on their priorities when voting yet this isn't seemingly reflected in policy. This will help normalise the balance. I would be happy to give on patreon.
I have a simple question, will today's EV still be running in 20 years.
I was told when I saw the first Leaf that by the time the battery was tired a new replacement would be as little as $5k, didn't happen.
The affluent rural folk I know who used to have Jaguar I-Paces have now gone for Mercedes EQ models. They don't keep them long and they don't care, because they can afford it.
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@@markotrieste Not where I live though, and that is not new either.
For a new battery here in New Zealand it is $17000, may as well buy another car.
@@markotrieste That's more than the price of many cars I know some people have bought recently.
@@bw1376 Shifting goalposts... no surprise from a troll.
I wonder why Robert goes through so many presenters they don't seem to stick around for long.
Surely the EV manufacturers should bear the costs of promoting their products for them?
My parents recently bought an EV. My father traded in his ICE Mercedes for a Volvo C40 Recharge. He is surprised at how lively the Volvo is, and how quickly it accelerates. The installation of a home charger was AU$1700 (inc the charger). The annual service bill for his Benz was ~AU$2000. So he installed the charger for _less_ than an annual service. (Side note: His Volvo only needs a service once every 2 years). He's owned various Benzes since 1999, but he will *never* go back to Mercedes or an ICE vehicle. Why a Volvo? He preferred it over ALL the rivals, and was sold during the test drive.
Yes. A wealthy person’s car. Got it
We've run an electric car for the last 6 years (Soul, then e2008) on lease. Prefer them in every way to ICE.
Unfortunately, our financial circumstances have changed, and when our current lease ends in a couple of months, we'll be switching back to a very cheap, 2nd hand petrol-engined car. We simply can't afford to lease an EV anymore, and there isn't a market of affordable second hand options that would meet our needs.
Given the current "cost of living crisis", there must be many others in our position 😢
So it's not just negative press delaying the transition, it's also affordability at a time when increasingly more people are struggling to make ends meet, let alone buy/lease expensive EVs.
EV's are not eco on a large scale. Period
Great to see Quentin! He was one of my faves from when Top Gear (imo) was at its best and for real car fans.
In my view the key problem with electric cars is they are cars. They have their place, but the widespread use of them to move people in and around cities is just a bad idea. The cars being electric doesn't make traffic disappear. Nor does it make them particularly lower emissions than decades old public transport. Not universal, but there is an element of BEVs being flashy toys for rich people to feel green in which winds people up.
Much more investment needed in public transport + cyclable cities.
Absolutely right. I have an electric car and love it but if public transportation improved round where I live I would give it up. The car is still parked up most of the time. Very inefficient use of resources
Hi, I am a professional in the automotive industry and I work in the support side for on of the largest vehicle manufacturers in the world. I drive an electric vehicle, which bot myself and my wife love. And in fairness we have been wanting to go electric for about a decade, but due to cost could not. I can tell from a professional stand point ICE is going to disappear faster than most consumers think. Diesel from the view of who I work for is dead, and petrol is not far behind, R&D is now on alternatives, the biggest one is BEV based. Hybrid vehicles have only ever been a stepping stone to fully electric or hydrogen fuel cells.
I've seen this myself. My father in-law was all in for EVs after I got my Tesla, but then he read something about them catching on fire and he just can't be convinced that it simply isn't the truth and is always worried about the fact we have two EVs in our garage.
Maybe tell him gently to Google the #1 open recall across ALL LEGACY ice oems is for the risk of FIRE even when parked?
Effecting well over 10,000,000 car's of all brands sold in the last 3-5 year's and some even newer.
Then share that in 2022 217,000 total ice vehicle fires occurred. That averages out to a combustion car burning down every 4 or 5mins here in the U.S. alone. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 sent him numerous articles and references debunking it but he just doesn't believe it.
@@4literv6the problem is that electric cars don’t need a source of ignition and are really hard to put out. ICE cars tend to be easier to put out, but by the number there are significantly more ICE fires than EV. Looking at the statistics you need to take account the age of the vehicle fleet though.
Personally I like electric cars, just wish someone would build a smaller EV that dosnt look like a toy (ie ID3 or BMW i3). I’d love to have the mg cybersteer, but it’s way too big and won’t fit in the garage ( they built it to small like our houses)
Perhaps if your father in-law was to read the Thatcham study on car fires, with evidence collated from sources globally? Thatcham found there were 1529.9 fires per 100'000 ICE cars, and 25.4 fires per 100'000 electric cars. Thatcham, in case you were not aware, are the organisation who crash test cars from almost all car makers, and issue the appropriate Euro NCAP safety rating. Thatcham also work closely with the car insurance industry to improve vehicle security.......
The biggest thing that is hitting the sales of EV's is range anxiety and the availability of charging points that work for their vehicle! ICE vehicles have not got that problem as the infrastructure is country wide and the filling systems are universal and only take minutes, plus the range has a level of reserve built into them!
Was this video aired pre the ship in fire in the North Sea due to new electric car bursting into flames and destroying over 3000 vehicles and the ship!
Air quality is just fine in the UK, and we have over 100 years of Oil &Gas under our feet so we are energy secure for ICE vehicles where we have to treble if not quadruple our electricity generation just to service the proposed net Zero target! That has been estimated to cost three times the GDP for years to come!
Total delusion here
There is one issue that plays directly into these critics' hands, and it is the cost of public charging. The headlines are something like this ELECTRIC CARS AS EXPENSIVE AS FOSIL FUEL. This should have been capped by the government and is just the greed of these charging companies. I know what these companies will say, and it is the same b**ls**t that privatised service companies give, that there is upkeep when they are making record profits. Chargers should be super reliable by now and require little maintenance. There is nothing to stop them eventuallly setting prices higher than fuel! It is just greed! All that will happen, and it is to an extent already, is that people will avoid them altogether negatively impacting the whole public network.
You keep talking about negative press, why don't you address the real issues. The cost, the charging infrastructure which will need to be colossal if everyone has an ev. Not to mention the very high cost of charging if you can't charge at home, to mention just a few of the many negatives.