Jeez when hearing that and Peter saying “I’ve done terrible things too” and said “I forgive you” those two words hit me and Sandman Words too those three words hit me hard
That’s one of the biggest complaints I had with No Way Home. I know Spider-Man 3 was the weakest of the Rami movies, but Thomas Church was incredible as the Sandman, and they really wasted him in NWH
@@StoryTimeZE It really is a shame that he couldn't actually be on set so they had to use a CGI model. They could've done a lot more with him if he was really there
"I'm not asking you to forgive me i just want to understand" Sandman is truly a tragic character who stays strong and doesn't beg for forgiveness..characters like this are always great..
Man I wished the actor who plays sandman stared in more movies like this (Edit: I didn't look up if he had been stared in other movies I was just saying)
The fact that he started tearing up while opening up to Peter really hits me in the heart. A person who can ask for forgiveness like he did, is way stronger than a person who doesn't.
He actually never asked for forgiveness, he said the opposite. *"I'm not asking you to forgive me, I just want you to understand."* Flint had already done the hardest thing, he had forgiven himself.
The moment Sandman said "my daughter was dying", Peter immediately knew there was more to this situation and to The Sandman than he thought. After he told the full story you can see the regret and emotion on Peter's face. Although he unintentionally killed his uncle, Peter was sympathetic enough to know it wasn't all his fault and that even in his most feared moment, Uncle Ben was still trying to help someone who was at their lowest.
Yea peter knew then and there that sandman was a man going through his own struggles and with killing ben accidentally it troubled him even more I think he would be upset and ashamed to show himself to the family of the man he took the life of...
@@jonnygrossman7853 when you are afraid. You don't know what to do and think. Same thing happened with Sandman (=Flint Marko). He was afraid of losing his daughter. He was desperate for that car... It's easy to say or complain when you are not present there but hard to react when you are there in place of someone.
@@manuellim6284he actively hunted the man down and ran his head into a moving train. The hell you mean he didn’t mean to attempt murder on the dudes life?
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1:49 The way the music's octave rises and becomes less and less ominous, symbolizing how Peter letting go of his anger and hate, is one of the greatest uses of music ive seen in a film.
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.dd
This is the moment where Peter gets true closure for Uncle Ben’s death. The look of relief on his face when Flint leaves just says it all. He learns to forgive himself for it, and he also learns to let go of his rage by forgiving Flint, knowing that he’s in no position to do anything less. This is why in another universe, he helps prevent another Spider-Man from going down the same dark path he once went on.
@@Deathmare235 Peter thought he had closure when the guy who robbed the wrestling manager died, but at the beginning of this movie he learned Flint Marco (Sandman before the sand) was the man who pulled the trigger, and that he just escaped from prison.
@@Deathmare235 well, in spiderman 3 he finds out the guy he thought killed uncle ben and who Peter kinda caused his death wasn't actually the one who did it, so Peter thought he had closure until he found out it actually was Sandman who did it
This scene is often overlooked as it perfectly embodies the importance of forgiveness and how significant it is for a hero like Spider-Man to be able to forgive such an injustice.
Gee, I wonder why it was overlooked. Oh, maybe it's because Sandman was the actual killer of Uncle Ben. Meaning the robber that Peter chased didn't even kill Uncle Ben and that robber tripped and killed himself, so the whole point for Peter being Spider-Man is null and void.
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 sounds like you overlook things alot Him chasing the wrong guy and leading that guy to his death could easily be seen as one of the things where he says "Ive done terrible things too"
SPOILERS!!! When I saw that and the part when Peter ( Tobey) stopped the other Peter ( Tom) from killing The Green Goblin, it made me realize how mature Tobey's Peter has gotten. It's as if in that point of life, he is thinking more and more like Uncle Ben; taking Ben's word to heart. He would have been so proud to see the man that Peter has become.
@@adammathers4879 nope if you go back and watch the scene with doctor Connors studying the symbiote he says it amplifies the characteristics of it's host. So the rage Peter felt was deeply seeded in him.
2:43 This scene done so well. The buildup, then the long pause, the look on his face, the resolution in the music when he says the words "I forgive you", then cut to Flint's face in tears. This scene makes me tear up with him.
This is why Tobey's trilogy will always have a special place in my heart. They conveyed such emotion and internal struggle on a level that's not seen much today
@psychoticpebbles tobey spidey is garbage and weak af, not even comic-accurate, personality wise is bland and boring. Lol you have bad taste, and we accept that sh*t.
This film should have been a template for Sandman in the comics and other media. It gave so much depth to Flint by tying him to the murder of Uncle Ben. It elevated him from a random thug into important character in Peter's life, one symbolizing his youthful regrets.
There is a comic where sandman is slowly losing his ability to keep his shape and keeps turning into regular sand, it’s pretty much a terminal illness. I’d definitely check it out if I were you, but there are a couple UA-camrs that have done a good job recaping it like mullet man comics if you don’t have the time/can’t find it
The acting in this scene is just phenomenal. Not just the dialogue, but all the facial expressions, tone of voice, body language. So much is said in this scene without words.
Yea, the way he mouthed "No" as Ben was falling.. damn! You can legit see the shock/sad/denial/disbelief almost scared look in his eye, just like an innocent person would have after accidentally shooting someone. Impeccable acting job by Mr. Church
@@dhruvsharma3491 Rewatch Civil War. Rewatch Infinity War. Black Panther, Endgame, No Way Home. EVEN SHANG-CHI! And then repeat what you said. Or don't.
Not only does peter forgive him to let go of his hate and forgive himself, he's forgiving flint so he can alleviate the guilt and can focus on his daughter. Such a powerful scene
I think if there was some continuation (ik there really wont be since it's the last) but I'd imagine sandman actually getting wat he needed in the end with spiderman actually helping him save his daughter and then ofc it's up to flint to do some good with spiderman to basically help him redeem himself to the public
One of the reasons why I think Tobey's Peter Parker would be one of the best Jedi Masters ever right alongside Anakin. Yes, I'm bringing *_Star Wars_* into it. Shut up. 😂
"I realize now he was just trying to help me." It just shows that even while Uncle Ben is being robbed at gunpoint he is such a righteous man that he still tries to help the perpetrator.
I remember I always loved how TASM uncle Ben, even if it didn't make a lot of sense, died trying to fulfill the responsibility to help Now I realize this version does it even better by being completely non violent, held at gun point Ben still doesn't judge Marco for a second, just calmly puts his hand on his shoulder and tries to talk him down, it's really beautiful
I remembered that when i was a kid that i truly hated sandman because of his action plus i didnt care on his story on what happened. But now im an adult i definitely now understand this scene it really hits me that sandman on how he truly feels on his daughter sacrificing his life in a world of crime to save his daughters life. This is the most heartwarming scene in any spiderman films ever.
I have alot of Sandman Accessories in my home cuz I was big fan of Sandman and whenever I see a sandman toy I ask mom to buy it for me and until this day my addiction of Sandman never gets old.
It's kinda f*cked up that he died almsot a decade after 9/11. Considering the original Spider Man movie was gonna feature the Twin Towers in the final fight but got cut out. But yeah, rest his soul.
@thenorseprodigy7466 I hope Cliff (in heaven) enjoyed the legacy he left after the movie & his death. In my eyes, he was and always will be the best Uncle Ben. 🙏🏻🥹🥲
It’s not about who’s better, because Uncle Ben is still dead either way. It’s about how to move forward; with anger and hatred, or forgiveness and understanding?
I love that in No Way Home, Sandman protected Tom's Spider-Man from Electro, and only started to attack him when he thought Tom' Spidey killed Electro. Showing that Sandman still forgives Tobey's Spider-Man for almost killing him, and that he's trying to make up for almost killing Spidey by protecting him.
The way the music follows, portrays and works on this scene is just phenomenal. Each part of the dialog is answered by the music, makes me tear every single time. When those piano notes come in after he says "My daughter was dying" I just lose my composure Just turns the whole mood of the scene, it's amazing!
Christopher Young is a seriously underrated composer. Danny Elfman is who people think of when they think of Spider-Man. But Young deserves his page too. The whole suite for Flint is so so gentle and moving. It’s soft. And Christopher Young understands the importance of softness for “bad” people. He also composed Hellraiser I and II, and you’ll see it there too. Hellraiser, a movie about sadomasochists from inter-dimensional Hell, is filled with beautiful and profound lullabies alongside the standard hellish music. It sounds so similarly distinct in style to this. It’s as you said: he plays a duet with the characters, and that harmony is what is so moving to us.
@@Starsdealer i know! i'm one of the few people that actually likes that movie. i think you can even hear a theme in this movie that's also in Ghost Rider
I think Sandman was actually the first villain I genuinely felt sorry for. I don’t agree with how he does things but I can see where he’s coming from. I felt sorry for him as a kid and I still do.
I honestly think he was never a real villain or bad person. He only resorted to robbery to save his daughter's life cause he had no other way, and uncle Ben's death was an accident
I love everything about this scene. Flint wasn’t a bad man just someone desperate to save his daughter no matter what. Uncle Ben was trying to help him lead him down the right path and the terrible accident happened he regretted and wished he could take it back. Peter can even understand since he partly blamed himself for uncle Ben’s death and the tears in his eyes really show the weight that he was carrying all this time. Which makes Peter forgiving Flint even more powerful. Peter even acknowledging that he’s done terrible things to doesn’t even blame it on the Symbiote cause he knew he had aggression and darkness in him. Everything about this moment is just beautiful.
What makes it even worse, is that when Ben Parker dropped, you can see a Tear fall from his eye... Which was likely why Flint remembers that scene so vividly.
The way Flint gently pulled Uncle Ben out of the car, it really shows that really was a good man. He was only trying to help his daughter. Even if it means breaking the law.😢❤
@NeoArashi He shot him by accident. He must've forgotten he still had a gun in his hand, or he didn't realize that the safety wasn't on, and accidentally pulled the trigger. You could tell by the look of true sadness on his face. He was like, "Oh, my God! What have I done!?"
It's hands down the best movie telling of the original spiderman story that has ever been made. It covers his origins in a very succinct manner not overly drawn out taking a whole dang movie, introduces some of the series most notable players including oscorp, ben and may, mary Jane, norman and harry Osbourne, j jonah Jameson, and the most classic of villains the green goblin, doctor octopus, the sandman and venom throughout the course of the trilogy. Each movie devotes enough time to each villain to establish their narrative their motivations and shows off their abilities very well. The fight scenes are absolutely awesome and just so much fun to watch being very well choreographed and clever, and they're often tense and exhilarating. The drama scenes are well paced as are the comedic moments which are not forced but arise naturally with the progression of the story and action. The musical score is amazing and the mix of cgi and practical effects is very well done. Sam Raimis Spiderman trilogy is the best film adaptation of Spiderman ever made.
@@solitary2 It does, but you can blame Sony for that (mostly Avi Arad, who likely ruined The Amazing Spider-Man series and nearly ruined the MCU Spider-Man series). It would have been great if not for studio interference. Even Raimi himself didn't like it, he placed Venom (a character he didn't like in the first place) because Sony kept pushing for it, which was why the symbiote subplot in the film was so weird (since Raimi didn't give a shit) and when they continued to interfere when they were planning for the 4th film, he just called it quits.
@@kiwirain1235 Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for basic human emotions anyone can have without the need of a dumb god that may or may not exist
@@kiwirain1235 religion is not always the answer for some people. It is misleading anyway. Having a religion is simply a belief. Not something you need.
I like how at first, all peter wanted was to kill sandman. Now, in no way home, he just wants to help him, and get him home. Shows massive growth of the character, after forgiving him.
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.dd
"I didn't choose to be this" the pain and sadness in his voice when he says that hits like a truck. It really conveys how much of a tortured soul he really is.
There's a reason why Flint didn't trust MCU Peter. It took him a lot of trauma and guilt to open up to Tobey's Peter about his situation and why he turned to crime, and he also probably felt like he owed him that explanation to Peter. But before that, he was secretive and careful about who to open up to. Flint's wife probably didn't even know what was going on until he was caught for the crime. So seeing a different Peter, it didn't matter if it was still Peter Parker. It wasn't the Peter Parker he traumatized, not the Peter he owed.
I love how all the villains in the trilogy are somewhat tied to Peters life. Flint wasn't a bad man, he wanted to help his daughter through any means and he accidently shot Ben, he felt guilty over that and could never get that out of his conscious. I think that's what makes Flint a great character, he's on the wrong path but has a good heart and want to help his daughter, makes for a great redemption.
I like the cohesion, but also dislike it in nearly anything else relating to the character. I prefer that the hero forms some sort of connection with the villian without being tied with them. Like batman and the joker for example in most versions.
@@VerticlSpoon funny thing in the Joker film, it is a possibility that Arthur was a elder brother of Bruce. I Personally love when villains tie with the fate of the hero, gives a great dynamic (or maybe I am just an Indian lol) but yes you are also right forming relations with the villain independently is a great idea as well 😀😀
Some of it comes down to Spiderman fans being nitpicky, I've genuinely heard people say they don't like Tobey because he doesn't have mechanical web-shooters or that he was too old to play Spiderman.
seriously that's just a real minority of people. Most of the opinion I see regarding Tobey is massively positive, including the amount of love he got for being in No way home
This is why Tobey Maguire’s trilogy will always be the best one. Tobey brought a more human perspective of the web-slinger and a more emotional side as well. Each of his movies had a message about how to live your life. Episode I focused on responsibility. Uncle Ben said, “with great power, comes great responsibility.” Starting out, Peter didn’t take things seriously such as school, work, or even his family. In the end, his irresponsible behavior wound up in Uncle Ben being killed since he didn’t intervene when he had the chance. Episode II focused on choices. Peter had an existential crisis and he didn’t know what to do. He was falling behind in school, got fired from his job, and his relationship with Mary Jane was on the ropes. All of these circumstances caused him to doubt himself which ultimately resulted in him losing all his powers. He was faced with a tough decision: give up Spider-Man and return to his normal life, or push through and rediscover what it means to be Spider-Man? And last but not least, Episode III focused on forgiveness. As in the first two films, we see Peter holding a grudge towards himself for not stopping the thief from killing Uncle Ben. Also, he holds a grudge towards Harry and Mary Jane for being a couple behind Peter’s back. When Sandman confesses that he killed Uncle Ben by accident, and hearing his reasons for what he did (his daughter was dying), Peter forgave him. By doing so, Peter was able to forgive himself and let go of his guilt and live in peace.
I don't know, loser, maybe it's because it shows Uncle Ben was still looking at Flint like a human being despite him being a criminal with a gun prepared to steal his car and take his life if it came down to it. It is a line that solidifies what kind of character Uncle Ben was and what Spiderman is trying to be in this scene. There wasn't a need to fight back then and there wasn't a need here, Flint is just a scared and flawed human being and doesn't just act out evil without consideration; he's weighing decisions and trying to figure kut what to prioritize between his ethics and his daughter's well being. It's an emotionally charged line. It doesn't have to be a haiku to be deep, jerk.
@@sbcs2809 Sandman basically abandoned his daughter in order to pay for her treatment, and Ben makes him realize that he should spend his time with her and not using it to become a murdering criminal. Sandman ends up ignoring Ben's advice just like Peter did on the first movie, but now both of them are at peace because of said advice.
That scene brought many tears. Peter Parker a.k.a Spiderman is one of the strongest heroes...not just cause of his powers, but also his big heart. He forgave Sandman, even though he had every reason to hate him and killed him. Gandhi once said this... "An Eye for an Eye, and the World shall end up blind" "It is easy to hate and to kill, then to understand and forgive" Sandman wasn't really an evil guy or villain trying to takeover the world, nor he hated Spiderman, he was just a desperate father trying to help his dying daughter. Spiderman, a hero who deserves a good life.
Not all villains are evil they can do good things as Jor-el said once humans can be good when they wish to be I guess Superman's father study's us well knew we are not perfect creatures but we try as I see it no matter how hard we try to be perfect we'll never get there.
But villain isn't only about taking over the world bruh, villain means bad guys, anything bad counts just because many want to take over the world doesn't mean only ones who do that counts. Being a criminal - robber and carjacker is also being a bad guy. Also yes, many criminals are driven by desperation.
@@WeirdLuigi i already watche dit but i know people who have not watched it. Also what you said makes no sense, this is raimi s spiderman 3, not a nwh related video so there shouldnt be people in the comments spoiling other movies
@@mahryo6191 At this point, if you don't know he's in No Way Home, you've been living under a rock. It's not even a secret. Entertainment News sites have even talked about it.
I think that I left feeling much more Emotional and Satisfied than I was when I watched Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man 2's Perfect but just not as many emotional scenes like this.
Thomas Haden Church is just out-performing the rest in this roll. I was so blown away by the depth and complexity of his character, how he manages to portray a conflicted soul (a decent guy stuck with a full hand of misfortunate options) to a fault. As an actor, Thomas is great, but in this roll he is nothing short of masterful. In my opinion, probably the best thing to come out of this movie.
I agree 10,000%. I had never seen a "villain" portrayed like that when I was younger. I was always so confused after watching this movie because I found myself wanting for Flint to get help more than any of the others. Years later, watching this scene brings me to a stand still. Both Tobey and Haden's acting here are uncanny and criminally underrated. I hate that just because this is a Super Hero movie that people write off any well done thing in this genre. But I'd say, I haven't found another movie or, set of movies (the entire Raimi trilogy) that accomplishes vulnerable and meaningful scenes like this. The biggest part of it is the casting. And they hit the jackpot with Thomas Haden Church🤷🏾♂️
I love the fact that in No Way Home when Sandman saw Spider Man in danger from Electro, he came to help him out. Granted it wasn't Tobey but I still love that they remembered.
Many people forget about the beauty of this scene. Sam Raimi really had a story arc for Marko. It's impossible to hold the tears during that moment. "I forgive you", Tobey delivered that line beautifully. And it comes to my mind the scene in No Way Home. Tobey's Spider-Man didn't needed to give Holland a speech about not killing Norman, just that look on his eyes was enough. The struggle, the pain and regret of both characters and Tobey taking responsability for his mistakes and the best lesson. I believe that forgiving someone takes real courage, it's tough to admit when you are wrong but all that pain is released from your shoulders. The Raimi trilogy had great life lessons. The healing of a heavy heart.
Especially when Tobey told Tom Holland when he wanted the guy that he thought killed uncle Ben dead but when Tobey got what he wanted, it didn’t make him feel better. The point is, revenge NEVER makes things better, it only makes things worse.
Something that doesn't get talked about enough at the beginning of this scene is Peter's look of regret. Fact is he just KILLED someone. Obviously he didn't plan to kill Eddie when he threw the pumpkin bomb at the symbiote, but it doesn't change the fact someone is now dead because of his actions. ...then along comes Flint, with literally the same kind of story regarding Uncle Ben. Sam Raimi may not be proud of Spider-Man 3, but it's quite possibly the best example of a 'diamond in the rough' movie I can think of.
@@ohreally4752 Eh, sorta. While he didn't outright push him, the guy did fall because he was backing away from him in fear so it's indirectly on him. To be fair, MJ does bring it up earlier in this film. Just think Tobey's look is a brief but note-worthy moment in this scene, mostly because it's never brought up again.
@@DrKnockers05 then again he looked at him in a very vengeful manner I mean before this Peter wouldn’t even give 2 seconds to think about letting him live
@@Deathmare235 Yeah but that was more the symbiote than Peter himself. He's just not a killer. That's literally Spider-Man's whole MO. Definitely didn't expect Eddie to throw himself at Venom, so I think that look Tobey gives is very understated and deep (as brief as it is)
I think this was smart writing. Uncle Ben was the one who passed his morals onto Peter. He never believed in vengeance. This is the moment where Peter finally 100% embraces everything that Ben stood for - not just the responsibility thing - and does what Ben would've wanted him to do: choose forgiveness. And he saves his own soul as a result. Also, although I see where people are coming from when they say this takes away from Peter's role in his uncle's death, I don't think that's the case. The only reason Marko accidentally pulled the trigger was because his partner startled him when he came outside. If Peter had stopped his partner, nothing would've startled Marko into inadvertently killing Ben. It's clear that Marko had no intention of shooting Ben. So Peter is still indirectly at fault, which is why he relates to and empathizes with Marko's guilt.
It's really interesting because we can see in no way home, how he embraced uncle ben morals. For example when he dhows peter that vengeance wouldn't fix anything
@@Mr_Morgan2019 Flint represents all people past and present who may not be fortunate enough and when dealth with serious issues they may not have system to back them up. People who might grow desperate and stumble with their actions, yet all they ever needed was empathy and help. Those people exist and deserve some guidance and a second chance. It was amazing portrayal that is missing with most of the iterations of these second hand villains. Although the Spider-Man games are getting there.
also aunt may. he taught Peter that Spiderman doesn't kill people. In No way Home movie, Tobey Spiderman prevents tom Holland Spiderman from killing Norman Osborn/Green Goblin.
Sandman isn't just a villain...but a "good villain". No matter what bad things he does, he actually did it for someone he love and cares rather than himself. And even he may try to kill Spider-man, he knows and trusts Spider-man that he'll always do a right thing. This is why I like him so much, and I'm glad he survived in this movie.
You can tell that Raimi never wanted to add Venom in the movie you can really see which Villain he really wanted to be focus on. By adding in Venom it gave us too much villains in one movie and it messed up the plot
When he tells Sandman "I forgive you" and he just floats that seriously made me wanna cry. Sam Raimi is the absolute GOAT for this trilogy. You won't ever see anything like this again.
Sandman is so fucking underrated and one of the best examples of the sympathetic villain, not even just because of his daughter, but because more broadly he’s a victim of circumstance. Life really well and truly dealt him a shit hand and he’s making difficult choices in order to navigate it as best he can. That’s probably the most realistic and compelling thing about him.
The almost disappearance of Tobey Maguire from the acting world must be the biggest loss that Hollywood has ever had,his expressiveness and way of getting into the character with his gestures is something difficult,very difficult to find in any movie that comes to mind. Thomas Hadden also does well,memorable scene in all respects.
Tobey Maguire is an underrated actor. I watched him in 'Brothers', he should have atleast got nominated for it. It's just sad that how he got typecasted as 'Spiderman'.
@@everythingisawesome2903 It wasn't his typecasting. It was his real life behavior and attitude that got him blacklisted. He was a great actor who just couldn't let go of his ego and attitude issues.
This scene really hits you hard as an adult once you understand it all. My childhood self never understood why he forgave sandman for it but now that I'm 19...it all made sense
To be honest, this scene, in particular, shows why I personally consider Tobey Maguire's spiderman auditioning will never be replaced when it comes to such emotional and strong depth of character personalization. And in general, this is what makes spiderman, be a man and live with his mistakes. We do see that in the Amazing Spiderman 2 (Andrew Garfield) and Spiderman: No Way Home (Tom Holland), but the fact that we got to see the alternate version of this with Tobey Maguire's version is just absolutely marvelous and a privilege to see.
Honestly this scene always makes me sob. The way he says “I’ve done terrible things too” Really resonates because no matter how many good things you do you still have to answer for the terrible things you’ve done as well. And ultimately the greatest lesson that just because you do bad things doesn’t make you a bad person
You are not a bad person if you saw no other way. If you wish you could take it back everyday, shows you are a good person but just had cards stacked against you
Man...the love that i have for this trilogy...and the whole cast and crew. My dad showed me the first Spider-Man when I was 5 and i grew up with this trilogy. Spider-Man helped me become a better person. To this day, when I'm down in life, i turn to Peter Parker. The best superhero ever.
As someone who grew up with Raimi's trilogy and tasm duology, watching No way home's first show on the very first day in a theatre full of crazy Spidey fans was once in a lifetime experience!
I’ve always loved this movie and didn’t know where the hate came from. Tobey will always be my Spider-Man because his movies actually meant something. And the characters all were good
Physical strength is important to a hero like Peter but so is mental strength. Finding the mental strength to forgive Flint after he killed albeit accidentally killed his Uncle Ben. That is serious mental strength on Peter's part.
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 originally, Raimi had more of that be explored within Sandman and his family, there's even deleted scenes with the doctor that helps Penny and the whole film was originally gonna be with 2 villains, not one.
@@homelessend8557 that would've been so much better, but because of Avi Arad and Sony Studios for wanting Venom, it was a mess. Edit: And the two villains is something I actually knew about since it was supposed to be the Vulture played by Ben Kingsley
When Sandman said “I’m not asking you to forgive me” that hit me but when Peter said these two quotes “I’ve done terrible things too” and “I forgive you” that hit me a lot more. Edit: Holy snot it’s been years of this and how the hell I got 127 likes?
Spiderman 3 is more than just a meme. It gives us the lesson to be sympathetic with each other, show compassion. Talking to each other, and, as hard as it is sometimes, to forgive, because revenge and anger doesnt bring our loved ones back..
I guess in a way he learned to forgive Sandman and listened to Aunt May advice earlier in a scene “I don’t think it is up to our decision whether a person deserves to live or die” That’s why he held back Holland when he was about to kill Norman in No way Home He wanted to amend his mistake of saving Norman, since he watched his friend die in his arms
@@Ash12241991 They wouldn't, cause that's not what they are. Doesn't mean they'd listen though, because MCU is much harsher a reality than the Raimiverse and here taking lives is necessary.
Tobey Maguire and Thomas Haden Church’s acting is amazing here. I also love that Peter took full responsibility of his actions and didn’t blame it on the symbiote. And the way he was able to forgive Flint shows how much of a hero Spider-Man is. One of the best superhero moments ever put to the big screen in my opinion.
In most Hollywood films, it's rare to find scenes depicting men shedding tears. However, this particular movie stands out as a truly exceptional example, featuring such a moment.
@Kryptoskillet what was the most amazing part? Was it when 2 absolute legends were introduced by some fat nerd NOBODY CARES about in his grandmas house??? As Tobey wears street clothes???? LOL just remember you said this comment.
@@MKultraInstinct I totally agree with you. Pu$$ies these days dont know what these movies meant for us and they still do..They owned our era..they were about life...Look at these kids now..They call something like 'Lil pump' or 'Lean on' a "Music" ..Are you F'n kidding me ??.
@@MKultraInstinct Moreover this kryptoskillet guy is talking trash about Spiderman 3 and appraising Into the spiderverse . Again , ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME BRUH?? ..What's so special about that BS nonsense cartoon ?!..Spiderman 3 is getting unnecessary and illogical hate.
When sandman tells him that his uncle told him to put the gun down and go home and he realized that he was trying to help him Peter sheds a tear knowing that his uncle ben was always trying to help people no matter what and that’s why he takes with great power comes great responsibility into action as he’s done terrible things and forgives sandman knowing that uncle ben would’ve wanted that.
This scene give me chills, poor Flint, poor uncle ben, They were just victims of circumstance, The sad sandman music gives it a melancholic tone, Spider-man forgiving Flint can become beautiful, and It makes me think with hope that one day I will be able to forgive the people who hurt me and myself so that I can live in peace.
Not only is this scene nostalgic but it's good to see both Peter and Flint finally coming to a conclusion where they both understand each other and find peace within it. It's all about perspective
They both are responsible for Ben's death. And they both understand the guilt that comes with it and that at heart they are not bad people. Peter not only forgave Flint. He forgave himself for his reckless actions in the past.
“I’m not asking you to forgive me, I just want you to understand.”
Powerful line.
You want forgiveness get religion
YOU WILL GET YOUR RENT WHEN YOU FIX THIS GODDAMN DOOR!
Jeez when hearing that and Peter saying “I’ve done terrible things too” and said “I forgive you” those two words hit me and Sandman Words too those three words hit me hard
... Said Satan. ua-cam.com/video/9ExCG1GJku4/v-deo.html
Peter : *You don’t want forgiveness? Don’t get religion.*
You can see Peter releasing his sadness and heart after he says “I forgive you!” Such a powerful scene
Bro this thread has me dead, such a sad comment gets nothing but bot replies
@@thecleanslate3648 I've reported all them bots.
It really is powerful.
Some actions don't deserve forgiveness. Murdering someone's father for money is one of them.
@@thisisaname5589 Flint shot Ben accidentally. He didn't do it for any money.
Thomas Hayden Church is such an underrated actor. He was phenomenal in this movie
And the CEO of electrolytes in idiocracy
I’m so glad you commented this. I agree 😢
That’s one of the biggest complaints I had with No Way Home. I know Spider-Man 3 was the weakest of the Rami movies, but Thomas Church was incredible as the Sandman, and they really wasted him in NWH
@@StoryTimeZE It really is a shame that he couldn't actually be on set so they had to use a CGI model. They could've done a lot more with him if he was really there
@@RoronoaZoro-ru5ri why couldn’t he be on set?
"I'm not asking you to forgive me i just want to understand"
Sandman is truly a tragic character who stays strong and doesn't beg for forgiveness..characters like this are always great..
Man I wished the actor who plays sandman stared in more movies like this (Edit: I didn't look up if he had been stared in other movies I was just saying)
Get Religion
@@MariusBoss11458 YOU GET RHE RENT WHEN YOU FIX THIS D*MN DOOR!
Aaaand fairly small spoilers, but you really should have watched it already by today: No Way Home kinda did his character dirty.
if only the movie was about him only, not harry or the symbiote
The fact that he started tearing up while opening up to Peter really hits me in the heart. A person who can ask for forgiveness like he did, is way stronger than a person who doesn't.
Yes that is one of my memorable scene in my childhood, Mr. Popular
Yep... Also hi!
That's pretty incredible for a guy made of sand. Sand tears are still tears
Bro, you’re the exact opposite of me
He actually never asked for forgiveness, he said the opposite.
*"I'm not asking you to forgive me, I just want you to understand."*
Flint had already done the hardest thing, he had forgiven himself.
The moment Sandman said "my daughter was dying", Peter immediately knew there was more to this situation and to The Sandman than he thought. After he told the full story you can see the regret and emotion on Peter's face. Although he unintentionally killed his uncle, Peter was sympathetic enough to know it wasn't all his fault and that even in his most feared moment, Uncle Ben was still trying to help someone who was at their lowest.
Yea peter knew then and there that sandman was a man going through his own struggles and with killing ben accidentally it troubled him even more I think he would be upset and ashamed to show himself to the family of the man he took the life of...
Doesn't matter whether Ben's murder was intentional or not. If Flint didn't want to kill him, he should have pointed the gun away from him.
@@jonnygrossman7853 That's not how it works in real life, bud. Many people who hold a gun don't know gun safety. Desperation compromises logic.
@@jonnygrossman7853 when you are afraid. You don't know what to do and think.
Same thing happened with Sandman (=Flint Marko). He was afraid of losing his daughter. He was desperate for that car... It's easy to say or complain when you are not present there but hard to react when you are there in place of someone.
Or he could've kept the chamber empty.@@jonnygrossman7853
"I've done terrible things too".
By forgiving Flint, Peter was able to forgive himself. Man, this scene brings the entire trilogy together.
He didn’t mean to attempt murder on Flint
@@askredditstudios8055Not Christian
@@askredditstudios8055 not everyone is Christian bro stop it
@@manuellim6284he actively hunted the man down and ran his head into a moving train.
The hell you mean he didn’t mean to attempt murder on the dudes life?
@@xavierrivera3407 watch your attitude
Spider-Man 1: Responsibility
Spider-Man 2: Choice
Spider-Man 3: Forgiveness
Or you could see it as
Obtain powers, neglecting powers, and abusing powers
Spider-man 4:fjfjfhfkgg
Spider-man 5: how to break ur neck and spine
Spider-man 6: how to be an adult
Spider-man 7: how to recover after someone’s death
Spider-man 8 how to do all 7 of dem
@@zoodlood8575 Yooo.... Spiderman 5...that's f'up... but i love it.
@@AskunChanel hehehehehe
Copied
1:49 The way the music's octave rises and becomes less and less ominous, symbolizing how Peter letting go of his anger and hate, is one of the greatest uses of music ive seen in a film.
Sandman Theme is one of the most beautiful and touching villiain theme I've every heard. It goes so smoothly to the moment You describe 😊
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.dd
@@askredditstudios8055 uh... thanks?
I actually like Spider-Man 3 more than no way home after watching the two movies back to back
@@askredditstudios8055🙏🏼❤️
This is the moment where Peter gets true closure for Uncle Ben’s death. The look of relief on his face when Flint leaves just says it all. He learns to forgive himself for it, and he also learns to let go of his rage by forgiving Flint, knowing that he’s in no position to do anything less.
This is why in another universe, he helps prevent another Spider-Man from going down the same dark path he once went on.
Wasn’t it already finished in spider man 1 since they didn’t cover it in Spider-Man 2
This paid off to help cure sandman to be human.
@@Deathmare235 Peter thought he had closure when the guy who robbed the wrestling manager died, but at the beginning of this movie he learned Flint Marco (Sandman before the sand) was the man who pulled the trigger, and that he just escaped from prison.
@@wingedbluj1674 exactly he did have closure then they just bring it up it didn’t feel natural I mean not every villain has to be connected to Peter
@@Deathmare235 well, in spiderman 3 he finds out the guy he thought killed uncle ben and who Peter kinda caused his death wasn't actually the one who did it, so Peter thought he had closure until he found out it actually was Sandman who did it
This scene is often overlooked as it perfectly embodies the importance of forgiveness and how significant it is for a hero like Spider-Man to be able to forgive such an injustice.
Gee, I wonder why it was overlooked. Oh, maybe it's because Sandman was the actual killer of Uncle Ben. Meaning the robber that Peter chased didn't even kill Uncle Ben and that robber tripped and killed himself, so the whole point for Peter being Spider-Man is null and void.
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 no
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 no it’s not 🤣
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 no
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 sounds like you overlook things alot
Him chasing the wrong guy and leading that guy to his death could easily be seen as one of the things where he says "Ive done terrible things too"
This scene was brilliant . Forgiveness lifts the burden and heals wounds.
Not seeking Peter's forgiveness to him, but to himself.. so powerful.
What was the money for?
@@ThomasGallagher-fk5tm daughter was sick.. needed money to help pay for her care.
And would hopefully end the fighting and thievery
@@joecoolberry911"sometimes forgiveness cuts deeper than any knife"
Billie Lurk, Dishonored: Death of the Outsider
Peter 2 to Peter 1: “It took me a long time to learn to get through that darkness.”
“It took me a long time to learn to get through that darkness.”
SPOILERS!!!
When I saw that and the part when Peter ( Tobey) stopped the other Peter ( Tom) from killing The Green Goblin, it made me realize how mature Tobey's Peter has gotten. It's as if in that point of life, he is thinking more and more like Uncle Ben; taking Ben's word to heart. He would have been so proud to see the man that Peter has become.
Toebay?
@@marcogarcia2706 that was easily one of the greatest marvel scenes
@@BenjaminGoose LOL
Flint is probably the most underrated Spider Man villain of them all
I saw this comment somewhere..
Very important and eye-opening remark.
Him blaming himself needlessly is not a good thing… it’s toxic self thinking. Why would we celebrate that?
Every spiderman 3 video:
Your comment is there for some like i guess
@@adammathers4879 nope if you go back and watch the scene with doctor Connors studying the symbiote he says it amplifies the characteristics of it's host. So the rage Peter felt was deeply seeded in him.
2:43 This scene done so well.
The buildup, then the long pause, the look on his face, the resolution in the music when he says the words "I forgive you", then cut to Flint's face in tears. This scene makes me tear up with him.
Can't watch it without tearing up
Why?
This is why Tobey's trilogy will always have a special place in my heart. They conveyed such emotion and internal struggle on a level that's not seen much today
I wish it had six movies with him
Isupport studied English with this
I restarted English after 10 years
I am a beginner studying English with asmr.
Please come and take a look and
Ih..
I refuse to acknowledge any Spider man movie that came after
@@pranav5788 *Coughs* Into the Spider-Verse and No Way Home *cough*
@psychoticpebbles tobey spidey is garbage and weak af, not even comic-accurate, personality wise is bland and boring. Lol you have bad taste, and we accept that sh*t.
"I forgive you."
For as many flaws as Spiderman 3 had, this scene was undoubtedly the perfect way to conclude the trilogy to me.
Hits close to home. The power of forgiveness sets you free from the hatred that consumes and destroys your heart
Spidergay 3
@@clairdesouza8127 wut
Flaws man this is a great film
@@najadrasheed2197 exactly
This is probably the most sympathetic portrayal of Sandman ive seen in any Spidermen media. Just as good as Bruce Timm's take on Mr Freeze.
This film should have been a template for Sandman in the comics and other media. It gave so much depth to Flint by tying him to the murder of Uncle Ben. It elevated him from a random thug into important character in Peter's life, one symbolizing his youthful regrets.
There is a comic where sandman is slowly losing his ability to keep his shape and keeps turning into regular sand, it’s pretty much a terminal illness. I’d definitely check it out if I were you, but there are a couple UA-camrs that have done a good job recaping it like mullet man comics if you don’t have the time/can’t find it
Since Sandman is technically immortal, the idea of having an undying man just wanting to be with his dying daughter is a great motivator
That was more Paul Dini than Bruce Timm
The acting in this scene is just phenomenal. Not just the dialogue, but all the facial expressions, tone of voice, body language. So much is said in this scene without words.
@BANICA»💋 Reported
Uncle Ben shedding tears for Sandman after he shot him...
Yea, the way he mouthed "No" as Ben was falling.. damn! You can legit see the shock/sad/denial/disbelief almost scared look in his eye, just like an innocent person would have after accidentally shooting someone. Impeccable acting job by Mr. Church
Something the MCU has always missed out on and always will.
@@dhruvsharma3491 Rewatch Civil War. Rewatch Infinity War. Black Panther, Endgame, No Way Home. EVEN SHANG-CHI! And then repeat what you said. Or don't.
13 years later this still doesn’t fail to put tears in my eyes
15 years
He's gonna put some tears in your eyes
Fr thou
Aww look at little stonky jr, gonna cry?
@BANICA»💋 Go away bot.
Not only does peter forgive him to let go of his hate and forgive himself, he's forgiving flint so he can alleviate the guilt and can focus on his daughter. Such a powerful scene
They suspected Dennis carts done at first but then it was flint that called Ben Parker I’ve seen this movie
I think if there was some continuation (ik there really wont be since it's the last) but I'd imagine sandman actually getting wat he needed in the end with spiderman actually helping him save his daughter and then ofc it's up to flint to do some good with spiderman to basically help him redeem himself to the public
One of the reasons why I think Tobey's Peter Parker would be one of the best Jedi Masters ever right alongside Anakin.
Yes, I'm bringing *_Star Wars_* into it. Shut up. 😂
@@onepieceking1770 That's exactly what I was thinking, too.
What happened to Flint's daughter though after this?
"I realize now he was just trying to help me." It just shows that even while Uncle Ben is being robbed at gunpoint he is such a righteous man that he still tries to help the perpetrator.
Marko didn't do it out of malice or hate he just needed the car and the money for his daughter
I remember I always loved how TASM uncle Ben, even if it didn't make a lot of sense, died trying to fulfill the responsibility to help
Now I realize this version does it even better by being completely non violent, held at gun point Ben still doesn't judge Marco for a second, just calmly puts his hand on his shoulder and tries to talk him down, it's really beautiful
Marko wasn't being aggressive with ben
To be fair, Uncle Ben has always been that way, even in comics
@@jareththegoblinking3191 not in this universe
I remembered that when i was a kid that i truly hated sandman because of his action plus i didnt care on his story on what happened. But now im an adult i definitely now understand this scene it really hits me that sandman on how he truly feels on his daughter sacrificing his life in a world of crime to save his daughters life. This is the most heartwarming scene in any spiderman films ever.
@BANICA»💋 que pesadas
Funny, I always loved this moment when I was kid.
I have alot of Sandman Accessories in my home cuz I was big fan of Sandman and whenever I see a sandman toy I ask mom to buy it for me and until this day my addiction of Sandman never gets old.
Yh being a kid makes u ruthless af.
When I was a kid I fully understand why Flint did this
RIP Ben Parker aka Cliff Robertson. Spiderman 3 was also his last film.
Died: September 10, 2011
RIP
1923-2011
If he was still alive he might be 100
It's kinda f*cked up that he died almsot a decade after 9/11. Considering the original Spider Man movie was gonna feature the Twin Towers in the final fight but got cut out.
But yeah, rest his soul.
@@justisolated5621cool fact, I never knew that
Yea...he was a great actor....😔
@thenorseprodigy7466 I hope Cliff (in heaven) enjoyed the legacy he left after the movie & his death. In my eyes, he was and always will be the best Uncle Ben. 🙏🏻🥹🥲
This is one of the best endings in a superhero movie and especially when Peter says he’s done terrible things too knowing he wasn’t any better
@@Saied036 What's wrong with them? It is really disturbing.
He just keys the bad guy go also it would’ve been a lot better if he stayed as the main antagonist
Couldn't agree more
I don’t think he meant he “wasn’t any better” I mean that’s a bit too far
It’s not about who’s better, because Uncle Ben is still dead either way. It’s about how to move forward; with anger and hatred, or forgiveness and understanding?
I love that in No Way Home, Sandman protected Tom's Spider-Man from Electro, and only started to attack him when he thought Tom' Spidey killed Electro. Showing that Sandman still forgives Tobey's Spider-Man for almost killing him, and that he's trying to make up for almost killing Spidey by protecting him.
For real I have not seen enough people talk about that, I loved that he immediately protected him
@@Wilshire13 yes
But then he tries to suffocate Tobey for no reason...
@@Сайтамен he also join with green goblin for some reason
@@randyorton1098 He didn’t really care about what the green goblin was doing all he wanted to do was go home
The way the music follows, portrays and works on this scene is just phenomenal.
Each part of the dialog is answered by the music, makes me tear every single time. When those piano notes come in after he says "My daughter was dying" I just lose my composure
Just turns the whole mood of the scene, it's amazing!
Christopher Young is a seriously underrated composer. Danny Elfman is who people think of when they think of Spider-Man. But Young deserves his page too. The whole suite for Flint is so so gentle and moving. It’s soft. And Christopher Young understands the importance of softness for “bad” people. He also composed Hellraiser I and II, and you’ll see it there too. Hellraiser, a movie about sadomasochists from inter-dimensional Hell, is filled with beautiful and profound lullabies alongside the standard hellish music. It sounds so similarly distinct in style to this. It’s as you said: he plays a duet with the characters, and that harmony is what is so moving to us.
@@elisabeth2193he also composed ghost rider ,which is amazing
@@Starsdealer i know! i'm one of the few people that actually likes that movie. i think you can even hear a theme in this movie that's also in Ghost Rider
I think Sandman was actually the first villain I genuinely felt sorry for. I don’t agree with how he does things but I can see where he’s coming from. I felt sorry for him as a kid and I still do.
Yeah. Doing the wrong thing even if it’s for the right reason, that doesn’t make it right.
@@elibailey3761I mean obviously he knows that😂
Sandman: IT WASN’T LIKE THAT!!
I honestly think he was never a real villain or bad person. He only resorted to robbery to save his daughter's life cause he had no other way, and uncle Ben's death was an accident
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess
Yeah I think Sandman has the potential to become a Heroic character.
I love everything about this scene. Flint wasn’t a bad man just someone desperate to save his daughter no matter what. Uncle Ben was trying to help him lead him down the right path and the terrible accident happened he regretted and wished he could take it back. Peter can even understand since he partly blamed himself for uncle Ben’s death and the tears in his eyes really show the weight that he was carrying all this time. Which makes Peter forgiving Flint even more powerful. Peter even acknowledging that he’s done terrible things to doesn’t even blame it on the Symbiote cause he knew he had aggression and darkness in him. Everything about this moment is just beautiful.
Dyrem
Needed money for sickness, oh look, another product of the US healthcare system
@@andyt2k meanwhile in london: Oi u got a loiscence for dem web swinguhs?
What makes it even worse, is that when Ben Parker dropped, you can see a Tear fall from his eye... Which was likely why Flint remembers that scene so vividly.
Flint is still a criminal though
The way Flint gently pulled Uncle Ben out of the car, it really shows that really was a good man. He was only trying to help his daughter. Even if it means breaking the law.😢❤
Yeah, he genuinely just wanted to steal Ben's car to use it as a getaway. He never intended to harm him, or anyone else, for that matter.
@NeoArashi He shot him by accident. He must've forgotten he still had a gun in his hand, or he didn't realize that the safety wasn't on, and accidentally pulled the trigger. You could tell by the look of true sadness on his face. He was like, "Oh, my God! What have I done!?"
@@NeoArashi He also robbed money.
So then many criminals in real life are also good person because they're often driven by desperation.
@@klockenberg2299 FOR HIS DYING DAUGHTER
This trilogy is a masterclass by the story, the music, the filming. I'm in childhood nostalgic
It's hands down the best movie telling of the original spiderman story that has ever been made.
It covers his origins in a very succinct manner not overly drawn out taking a whole dang movie, introduces some of the series most notable players including oscorp, ben and may, mary Jane, norman and harry Osbourne, j jonah Jameson, and the most classic of villains the green goblin, doctor octopus, the sandman and venom throughout the course of the trilogy.
Each movie devotes enough time to each villain to establish their narrative their motivations and shows off their abilities very well.
The fight scenes are absolutely awesome and just so much fun to watch being very well choreographed and clever, and they're often tense and exhilarating.
The drama scenes are well paced as are the comedic moments which are not forced but arise naturally with the progression of the story and action.
The musical score is amazing and the mix of cgi and practical effects is very well done.
Sam Raimis Spiderman trilogy is the best film adaptation of Spiderman ever made.
3rd one still sucks
@@solitary2 sam raimi:I missed the part where that's my problem
@@solitary2 It does, but you can blame Sony for that (mostly Avi Arad, who likely ruined The Amazing Spider-Man series and nearly ruined the MCU Spider-Man series). It would have been great if not for studio interference. Even Raimi himself didn't like it, he placed Venom (a character he didn't like in the first place) because Sony kept pushing for it, which was why the symbiote subplot in the film was so weird (since Raimi didn't give a shit) and when they continued to interfere when they were planning for the 4th film, he just called it quits.
@@osamu_90 Oh, I know. Tobey and Andrew ain't deserve that. Them joints still basura tho
I just love how the music goes up the moment Peter forgives Flint. As if celebrating the theme of Spider-Man 3, Forgiveness.
You want forgiveness? Get religion.
@@kiwirain1235 Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for basic human emotions anyone can have without the need of a dumb god that may or may not exist
@@kiwirain1235 religion is not always the answer for some people. It is misleading anyway. Having a religion is simply a belief. Not something you need.
@@lj1393 did the joke really go over y’all’s heads? It’s a reference to something Peter says to Eddie when he had the symbiote in him
@@amoralmarker6503 r/woosh
I like how at first, all peter wanted was to kill sandman. Now, in no way home, he just wants to help him, and get him home. Shows massive growth of the character, after forgiving him.
RIP Cliff Robertson, this was his last movie before he died.
Rip the real uncle Ben.
Wait he's dead?!
@@mcstudioproductions3512 yeah, Sandman killed him
But he died in the first movie.
This comment section has injured my brain
this soundtrack is so nostalgic and powerful, it always ends up getting me
@sitiy 18 no one cares.
The Best ever nostalgic and tragic too soundtrack...when he go it's so tragic and going away misterious
Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.dd
@@askredditstudios8055🙏🏼❤️
"I didn't choose to be this" the pain and sadness in his voice when he says that hits like a truck. It really conveys how much of a tortured soul he really is.
There's a reason why Flint didn't trust MCU Peter. It took him a lot of trauma and guilt to open up to Tobey's Peter about his situation and why he turned to crime, and he also probably felt like he owed him that explanation to Peter. But before that, he was secretive and careful about who to open up to. Flint's wife probably didn't even know what was going on until he was caught for the crime. So seeing a different Peter, it didn't matter if it was still Peter Parker. It wasn't the Peter Parker he traumatized, not the Peter he owed.
And there's a reason he attacked Toby's Peter, too, he didn't think it was the Peter he knew and was too paranoid
Both true
I love how all the villains in the trilogy are somewhat tied to Peters life. Flint wasn't a bad man, he wanted to help his daughter through any means and he accidently shot Ben, he felt guilty over that and could never get that out of his conscious. I think that's what makes Flint a great character, he's on the wrong path but has a good heart and want to help his daughter, makes for a great redemption.
Ya it's good writing.. the Raimi trilogy sacrifices some realism for really fleshing out its themes.
I like the cohesion, but also dislike it in nearly anything else relating to the character. I prefer that the hero forms some sort of connection with the villian without being tied with them. Like batman and the joker for example in most versions.
And then there is the MCU'S Spiderman, whose villains are related to Iron Man.
Arthur Morgan type beat
@@VerticlSpoon funny thing in the Joker film, it is a possibility that Arthur was a elder brother of Bruce. I Personally love when villains tie with the fate of the hero, gives a great dynamic (or maybe I am just an Indian lol) but yes you are also right forming relations with the villain independently is a great idea as well 😀😀
I love when Sandman faded away after Peter forgave him. It just portrays the relief of both parties after all the anger, shame, guilt and grief.
Spider-Man 3 has its flaws, but this moment is one of the best in the trilogy.
Plus the moment that comes right after this too.
Agree 100%
Agree but IMO tho, it doesn't have recognisable flaws as a movie! It's only herd mentality making people believe that for the most part!
We don’t care if it has flaws
Far less flawed than the Tom Holland Spider-man movies with small heart and low on actual fun.
Still don’t understand why people criticize Tobey Maguire’s portrayal of Spider-Man (including Hollywood) he’s done a great job.
The best Spiderman ever.
Some of it comes down to Spiderman fans being nitpicky, I've genuinely heard people say they don't like Tobey because he doesn't have mechanical web-shooters or that he was too old to play Spiderman.
seriously that's just a real minority of people. Most of the opinion I see regarding Tobey is massively positive, including the amount of love he got for being in No way home
@@Stryker98 also he’s not that talkative
@@Stryker98 Organic Web > Webshooters
Change my mind
This is why Tobey Maguire’s trilogy will always be the best one. Tobey brought a more human perspective of the web-slinger and a more emotional side as well. Each of his movies had a message about how to live your life.
Episode I focused on responsibility. Uncle Ben said, “with great power, comes great responsibility.” Starting out, Peter didn’t take things seriously such as school, work, or even his family. In the end, his irresponsible behavior wound up in Uncle Ben being killed since he didn’t intervene when he had the chance.
Episode II focused on choices. Peter had an existential crisis and he didn’t know what to do. He was falling behind in school, got fired from his job, and his relationship with Mary Jane was on the ropes. All of these circumstances caused him to doubt himself which ultimately resulted in him losing all his powers. He was faced with a tough decision: give up Spider-Man and return to his normal life, or push through and rediscover what it means to be Spider-Man?
And last but not least, Episode III focused on forgiveness. As in the first two films, we see Peter holding a grudge towards himself for not stopping the thief from killing Uncle Ben. Also, he holds a grudge towards Harry and Mary Jane for being a couple behind Peter’s back. When Sandman confesses that he killed Uncle Ben by accident, and hearing his reasons for what he did (his daughter was dying), Peter forgave him. By doing so, Peter was able to forgive himself and let go of his guilt and live in peace.
“why won’t you just put the gun and go home?” strongest lines in the mcu
More like mcm now
then Dennis was over with the cash.
How is that a strong line?😂
I don't know, loser, maybe it's because it shows Uncle Ben was still looking at Flint like a human being despite him being a criminal with a gun prepared to steal his car and take his life if it came down to it.
It is a line that solidifies what kind of character Uncle Ben was and what Spiderman is trying to be in this scene. There wasn't a need to fight back then and there wasn't a need here, Flint is just a scared and flawed human being and doesn't just act out evil without consideration; he's weighing decisions and trying to figure kut what to prioritize between his ethics and his daughter's well being.
It's an emotionally charged line. It doesn't have to be a haiku to be deep, jerk.
@@sbcs2809 Sandman basically abandoned his daughter in order to pay for her treatment, and Ben makes him realize that he should spend his time with her and not using it to become a murdering criminal. Sandman ends up ignoring Ben's advice just like Peter did on the first movie, but now both of them are at peace because of said advice.
That scene brought many tears.
Peter Parker a.k.a Spiderman is one of the strongest heroes...not just cause of his powers, but also his big heart. He forgave Sandman, even though he had every reason to hate him and killed him.
Gandhi once said this...
"An Eye for an Eye, and the World shall end up blind"
"It is easy to hate and to kill, then to understand and forgive"
Sandman wasn't really an evil guy or villain trying to takeover the world, nor he hated Spiderman, he was just a desperate father trying to help his dying daughter.
Spiderman, a hero who deserves a good life.
Tell that to punisher… goddamn psycho
Not all villains are evil they can do good things as Jor-el said once humans can be good when they wish to be I guess Superman's father study's us well knew we are not perfect creatures but we try as I see it no matter how hard we try to be perfect we'll never get there.
@@JustinMacri007 They are called Anti-villians.
Also it’s biblical.
But villain isn't only about taking over the world bruh, villain means bad guys, anything bad counts just because many want to take over the world doesn't mean only ones who do that counts. Being a criminal - robber and carjacker is also being a bad guy. Also yes, many criminals are driven by desperation.
it's poetic that sandman is the only villain to survive the raimi movies. The man who killed uncle ben redeems himself to the point he goes free.
One of the most beautiful and deepest scenes in Hollywood history. Really loved seeing Tobey in No Way Home
Delete last part of your comment, it s a spoiler for many people
@@mahryo6191 films been out for a month its your own fault if you go watching spiderman clips
@@WeirdLuigi i already watche dit but i know people who have not watched it. Also what you said makes no sense, this is raimi s spiderman 3, not a nwh related video so there shouldnt be people in the comments spoiling other movies
@@mahryo6191 At this point, if you don't know he's in No Way Home, you've been living under a rock. It's not even a secret. Entertainment News sites have even talked about it.
@@megatesh8694 i know he s in it, watched it day one, i was talking about other people who still havent watched it
“I didn’t choose to be this” is very true for a lot of villains. Sad thing to hear from someone trying to save his daughter
unlike Eddie Brock Raimi and Harry Osborn Webb who chose to be what they are
Once I heard that . “Unfair moves can be only done by the most fair ones”.. and after some time i understand it now
This scene literally makes me cry every time
I liked Spider-Man 3. No matter what they say about this movie.
And this is such a good scene.
Same here 😊
@LAG2003 silencio peruano
I think that I left feeling much more Emotional and Satisfied than I was when I watched Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man 2's Perfect but just not as many emotional scenes like this.
Same fr. This movie will always have a spot in my heart, it was the first marvel movie I had seen in cinema. It deserves some love.
I am also a spidey 3 fan.
Thomas Haden Church is just out-performing the rest in this roll. I was so blown away by the depth and complexity of his character, how he manages to portray a conflicted soul (a decent guy stuck with a full hand of misfortunate options) to a fault. As an actor, Thomas is great, but in this roll he is nothing short of masterful. In my opinion, probably the best thing to come out of this movie.
I agree 10,000%. I had never seen a "villain" portrayed like that when I was younger. I was always so confused after watching this movie because I found myself wanting for Flint to get help more than any of the others. Years later, watching this scene brings me to a stand still. Both Tobey and Haden's acting here are uncanny and criminally underrated. I hate that just because this is a Super Hero movie that people write off any well done thing in this genre. But I'd say, I haven't found another movie or, set of movies (the entire Raimi trilogy) that accomplishes vulnerable and meaningful scenes like this. The biggest part of it is the casting. And they hit the jackpot with Thomas Haden Church🤷🏾♂️
Thomas Haden Church is soo underrated as Sandman
he was the best thing about this movie
One of the best. That's for damn sure.
When the music at 2:13 starts, so do my tears. I will always love this movie.
❤️❤️🔥
“I didn’t choose to be this”
I love the fact that in No Way Home when Sandman saw Spider Man in danger from Electro, he came to help him out. Granted it wasn't Tobey but I still love that they remembered.
A moment to sympathize between two people who lost something on the same day: Peter his uncle, and Flint his freedom
his daughter almost
@@klockenberg2299I’d also argue for awhile Flint lost his drive to live as the guilt that he killed an innocent person was too much to deal with
Many people forget about the beauty of this scene. Sam Raimi really had a story arc for Marko. It's impossible to hold the tears during that moment. "I forgive you", Tobey delivered that line beautifully. And it comes to my mind the scene in No Way Home. Tobey's Spider-Man didn't needed to give Holland a speech about not killing Norman, just that look on his eyes was enough. The struggle, the pain and regret of both characters and Tobey taking responsability for his mistakes and the best lesson. I believe that forgiving someone takes real courage, it's tough to admit when you are wrong but all that pain is released from your shoulders. The Raimi trilogy had great life lessons. The healing of a heavy heart.
Especially when Tobey told Tom Holland when he wanted the guy that he thought killed uncle Ben dead but when Tobey got what he wanted, it didn’t make him feel better. The point is, revenge NEVER makes things better, it only makes things worse.
01:18 - 01:29 😟🥺 Thomas Haden Church's acting was superb.
what’s astonishing to me is that he’s mostly known for his work in comedy movies and shows
i think he deserves an award for his acting in SM3
😭😭it was amazing acting and sad
I mean guy was nominated for an oscar for sideways with paul giamatti....course he's a great actor
1:18
Sandman says "No" with shocked and regreted. You can see his eyes fill with remorse.
That's good facial acting, right there.
Something that doesn't get talked about enough at the beginning of this scene is Peter's look of regret.
Fact is he just KILLED someone.
Obviously he didn't plan to kill Eddie when he threw the pumpkin bomb at the symbiote, but it doesn't change the fact someone is now dead because of his actions.
...then along comes Flint, with literally the same kind of story regarding Uncle Ben.
Sam Raimi may not be proud of Spider-Man 3, but it's quite possibly the best example of a 'diamond in the rough' movie I can think of.
he also kinda killed his partner in the first movie
@@ohreally4752 Eh, sorta. While he didn't outright push him, the guy did fall because he was backing away from him in fear so it's indirectly on him.
To be fair, MJ does bring it up earlier in this film. Just think Tobey's look is a brief but note-worthy moment in this scene, mostly because it's never brought up again.
He also killed venom as well he’s actually a good person unlike Eddie
@@DrKnockers05 then again he looked at him in a very vengeful manner I mean before this Peter wouldn’t even give 2 seconds to think about letting him live
@@Deathmare235 Yeah but that was more the symbiote than Peter himself.
He's just not a killer. That's literally Spider-Man's whole MO. Definitely didn't expect Eddie to throw himself at Venom, so I think that look Tobey gives is very understated and deep (as brief as it is)
I think this was smart writing. Uncle Ben was the one who passed his morals onto Peter. He never believed in vengeance. This is the moment where Peter finally 100% embraces everything that Ben stood for - not just the responsibility thing - and does what Ben would've wanted him to do: choose forgiveness. And he saves his own soul as a result. Also, although I see where people are coming from when they say this takes away from Peter's role in his uncle's death, I don't think that's the case. The only reason Marko accidentally pulled the trigger was because his partner startled him when he came outside. If Peter had stopped his partner, nothing would've startled Marko into inadvertently killing Ben. It's clear that Marko had no intention of shooting Ben. So Peter is still indirectly at fault, which is why he relates to and empathizes with Marko's guilt.
Marko just needed the money for his daughter
perfectly written
It's really interesting because we can see in no way home, how he embraced uncle ben morals. For example when he dhows peter that vengeance wouldn't fix anything
@@Mr_Morgan2019 Flint represents all people past and present who may not be fortunate enough and when dealth with serious issues they may not have system to back them up. People who might grow desperate and stumble with their actions, yet all they ever needed was empathy and help. Those people exist and deserve some guidance and a second chance. It was amazing portrayal that is missing with most of the iterations of these second hand villains. Although the Spider-Man games are getting there.
also aunt may. he taught Peter that Spiderman doesn't kill people. In No way Home movie, Tobey Spiderman prevents tom Holland Spiderman from killing Norman Osborn/Green Goblin.
0:54 even when he was threatened with a gun uncle ben still tried to help him.....
Uncle ben would probably even dare to say something to thanos just so he can help him
Sandman isn't just a villain...but a "good villain". No matter what bad things he does, he actually did it for someone he love and cares rather than himself. And even he may try to kill Spider-man, he knows and trusts Spider-man that he'll always do a right thing. This is why I like him so much, and I'm glad he survived in this movie.
The best way I can describe him is that he’s a hero on the wrong side.
The best way to describe sandman is he's an anti villain
@@wolfenden9805 anti hero
That’s what makes him better
You can tell that Raimi never wanted to add Venom in the movie you can really see which Villain he really wanted to be focus on. By adding in Venom it gave us too much villains in one movie and it messed up the plot
When he tells Sandman "I forgive you" and he just floats that seriously made me wanna cry. Sam Raimi is the absolute GOAT for this trilogy. You won't ever see anything like this again.
Sandman is so fucking underrated and one of the best examples of the sympathetic villain, not even just because of his daughter, but because more broadly he’s a victim of circumstance. Life really well and truly dealt him a shit hand and he’s making difficult choices in order to navigate it as best he can. That’s probably the most realistic and compelling thing about him.
The almost disappearance of Tobey Maguire from the acting world must be the biggest loss that Hollywood has ever had,his expressiveness and way of getting into the character with his gestures is something difficult,very difficult to find in any movie that comes to mind.
Thomas Hadden also does well,memorable scene in all respects.
He certainly was the best Peter Parker.
@@skylerharris3914 and the best Spiderman.
Tobey Maguire is an underrated actor. I watched him in 'Brothers', he should have atleast got nominated for it. It's just sad that how he got typecasted as 'Spiderman'.
@@everythingisawesome2903 It wasn't his typecasting. It was his real life behavior and attitude that got him blacklisted.
He was a great actor who just couldn't let go of his ego and attitude issues.
We can all agree that the Raimi's trilogy had an amazing soundtrack.
@Justin Arzola
Christopher Young’s score is just on the edge of being better than Danny Elfman’s in my opinion.
At least good news for Danny Elfman now composing in Doctor Strange Multiverse Madness
2:55 looks like he's mouthing "THANK YOU" ❤❤❤❤❤❤
He literally just breathed
This scene really hits you hard as an adult once you understand it all. My childhood self never understood why he forgave sandman for it but now that I'm 19...it all made sense
I'm 15 and it's still good and I'm glad I know now.
Wow you must be born 2002 just like me :)
To be honest, this scene, in particular, shows why I personally consider Tobey Maguire's spiderman auditioning will never be replaced when it comes to such emotional and strong depth of character personalization. And in general, this is what makes spiderman, be a man and live with his mistakes. We do see that in the Amazing Spiderman 2 (Andrew Garfield) and Spiderman: No Way Home (Tom Holland), but the fact that we got to see the alternate version of this with Tobey Maguire's version is just absolutely marvelous and a privilege to see.
“I’m not asking you to forgive me, I just want you to understand” EVERY man wants this.
15 years old
And no matter how hard I try to hold it, this scene still brings even the slightest tears in my eyes!
This is honestly one of my favourite scenes of all time. Phenomenal acting and music here.
Honestly this scene always makes me sob. The way he says “I’ve done terrible things too”
Really resonates because no matter how many good things you do you still have to answer for the terrible things you’ve done as well. And ultimately the greatest lesson that just because you do bad things doesn’t make you a bad person
You are not a bad person if you saw no other way. If you wish you could take it back everyday, shows you are a good person but just had cards stacked against you
Since when did Dennis started running over with the cash?
For how badly people drag this movie through the mud, Sandman and the actor, Thomas Haden Church, was the best part of this movie hands down.
maybe because he's the original part, Venom ruins it as he's forced to be added for money
Man...the love that i have for this trilogy...and the whole cast and crew. My dad showed me the first Spider-Man when I was 5 and i grew up with this trilogy. Spider-Man helped me become a better person. To this day, when I'm down in life, i turn to Peter Parker. The best superhero ever.
As someone who grew up with Raimi's trilogy and tasm duology, watching No way home's first show on the very first day in a theatre full of crazy Spidey fans was once in a lifetime experience!
One of the most emotional scenes in movie history 😢
I'm glad that some people started now to appreciate this movie's tremendous scenes.
I’ve always loved this movie and didn’t know where the hate came from. Tobey will always be my Spider-Man because his movies actually meant something. And the characters all were good
@@bane4138 Same✌️
@@bane4138 i think the hate comes from how venom was used and portrayed. Raimi even said he didnt want to use venom but was forced to by sony.
@@coreymckee4844 he done so well for it being forced
@@bane4138 hello Bane
Uncle Ben while looking down from heaven: "That's my boy"
Physical strength is important to a hero like Peter but so is mental strength. Finding the mental strength to forgive Flint after he killed albeit accidentally killed his Uncle Ben. That is serious mental strength on Peter's part.
"I didn't choose to be this. The only thing left to me now... is my daughter."
And yet that plot point has never been resolved. So, I'll just assume he's going to rob more banks.
@@ashgreninja-flurriko2173 originally, Raimi had more of that be explored within Sandman and his family, there's even deleted scenes with the doctor that helps Penny and the whole film was originally gonna be with 2 villains, not one.
@@homelessend8557 that would've been so much better, but because of Avi Arad and Sony Studios for wanting Venom, it was a mess.
Edit: And the two villains is something I actually knew about since it was supposed to be the Vulture played by Ben Kingsley
"I forgive you."
@@travismansfield9512 penny?
When Sandman said “I’m not asking you to forgive me” that hit me but when Peter said these two quotes “I’ve done terrible things too” and “I forgive you” that hit me a lot more. Edit: Holy snot it’s been years of this and how the hell I got 127 likes?
You mean 8 words?💀
Is that you, Phil? XD
@@Fishstick4t no it is 8 words but in two different quotes so yea it seems like I’m wrong
@@Fishstick4t there is that better?
Spiderman 3 is more than just a meme. It gives us the lesson to be sympathetic with each other, show compassion. Talking to each other, and, as hard as it is sometimes, to forgive, because revenge and anger doesnt bring our loved ones back..
This is so rare in movies today! What a POWERFUL scene!!!
I guess in a way he learned to forgive Sandman and listened to Aunt May advice earlier in a scene “I don’t think it is up to our decision whether a person deserves to live or die”
That’s why he held back Holland when he was about to kill Norman in No way Home
He wanted to amend his mistake of saving Norman, since he watched his friend die in his arms
I wonder how MCU Avengers would have reacted to May's advice. Since they are known for taking lives.
@@jakubrejak1114
Aunt May: Shame on y’all
*pimp smacks the entire team with a 10 foot cane* 🦯
@@joscar062 Thanos: *Turns her to dust because she forgot some beings are irredeemable*
@@jakubrejak1114 they probably would interrupt her POWERFUl wisdom with a gag joke
@@Ash12241991 They wouldn't, cause that's not what they are. Doesn't mean they'd listen though, because MCU is much harsher a reality than the Raimiverse and here taking lives is necessary.
2:16 "I didn't choose to be this" 😔
Wow! great taste
3:00
Let's agree
Sand Man had one of the most emotional stories in history of super-hero movies
You are bad guy... but you are not bad guy
i’m not a bad Shrekson…i just had bad Shruck
Tobey Maguire and Thomas Haden Church’s acting is amazing here. I also love that Peter took full responsibility of his actions and didn’t blame it on the symbiote. And the way he was able to forgive Flint shows how much of a hero Spider-Man is. One of the best superhero moments ever put to the big screen in my opinion.
In most Hollywood films, it's rare to find scenes depicting men shedding tears. However, this particular movie stands out as a truly exceptional example, featuring such a moment.
After so many years … this scene never fails to make me emotional …
This was a tremendous movie
@Kryptoskillet it was the weakest of the trilogy, but still a good (not great) spidey movie.
@Kryptoskillet how do you feel about NWH? i want to see something
@Kryptoskillet what was the most amazing part? Was it when 2 absolute legends were introduced by some fat nerd NOBODY CARES about in his grandmas house??? As Tobey wears street clothes???? LOL just remember you said this comment.
@@MKultraInstinct I totally agree with you. Pu$$ies these days dont know what these movies meant for us and they still do..They owned our era..they were about life...Look at these kids now..They call something like 'Lil pump' or 'Lean on' a "Music" ..Are you F'n kidding me ??.
@@MKultraInstinct Moreover this kryptoskillet guy is talking trash about Spiderman 3 and appraising Into the spiderverse . Again , ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME BRUH?? ..What's so special about that BS nonsense cartoon ?!..Spiderman 3 is getting unnecessary and illogical hate.
The Sandman's Tears Are Unforgettable
When sandman tells him that his uncle told him to put the gun down and go home and he realized that he was trying to help him Peter sheds a tear knowing that his uncle ben was always trying to help people no matter what and that’s why he takes with great power comes great responsibility into action as he’s done terrible things and forgives sandman knowing that uncle ben would’ve wanted that.
Character development in this trilogy is just 👌👌👌
This scene give me chills, poor Flint, poor uncle ben, They were just victims of circumstance, The sad sandman music gives it a melancholic tone, Spider-man forgiving Flint can become beautiful, and It makes me think with hope that one day I will be able to forgive the people who hurt me and myself so that I can live in peace.
Not al
"I forgive you" really heals more than a bandaid
Not only is this scene nostalgic but it's good to see both Peter and Flint finally coming to a conclusion where they both understand each other and find peace within it. It's all about perspective
They both are responsible for Ben's death. And they both understand the guilt that comes with it and that at heart they are not bad people. Peter not only forgave Flint. He forgave himself for his reckless actions in the past.
Moral lesson per sequel:
1.Responsibility
2.Choice
3.Forgiveness
And then right after this scene, Harry forgives Peter. This trilogy has some beautiful, relatable themes.
@1:32 pedestrian walking in the background takes a good look at uncle bens dead body and just walks away....
Average occurrence for him
Defeats the villain not with physical strength, but with understanding and forgiveness. So well done.
_"Thanos, could you stop snapping your fingers..."_
2:58
_"FOR FIVE MINUTES?!"_
Best comment 💯😂
*slowly brings his fingers forward and snaps them again*