I actually quite like that there is alot of disagreement in the comments. Shows how lots of people have made different chocies that also work, as opposed to one meta that conquers all. Glad its possible to have some varaity.
this tierlist shows how much stronger AOE units are vs single-target, and that cost should range between 2-4. obviously there's nuance and examples that dispute it, but overall the lower cost &/or ranged minis rise to the top, and the single-target &/or high cost minis are below
I wish so badly that the worgen was better, because I play a worgen in WoW. It doesn't even serve the purpose it's suited for: killing powerful ranged units. There aren't a lot of good answers to huntress, and worgen is supposed to be one of them, but it can't even handle that job. If it was a little stronger or if it was a permanent cycle unit I'd use it all the time.
sorry if i missed it, but did you list them in your exact favorite order, or only in tier? like, are harpies your absolute #1, then witchdctor #2, etc, or did they just happen to be in that order as you placed them? I have a very different opinion on much of this list, but the main one is Banshee. I've just seen her glitch so often [by not actually taking anyone over] that i just can't stand using her. it's probably only 10% of the time, but at a cost of 4, there are very few targets that it's a good gold exchange, even if it did work
Personally I like the gnoll brute with the armor talent. It's not a bad unit. Melee with cleave so good vs squads which some melee struggle with. Good of course at taking physical damage.
It really also depends on the leaders in pve and leaders/modifications in PvP. Could u beat Ony or heroic Ysera with S tier minis but Murkeye or Maiev as a leader? I have my doubts.. Again, this is good stuff for beginners who might feel overwhelmed with all the traits and are looking for a roadmap on which minis to lvl up first etc
I understand that some of you disagree with some choices here but let's be honest.. U all play for a long time and made your own experiences and that's cool but this is great material for beginners.
So sad to see Arcane Strike in D tier. It’s my favourite spell. Reveals stealthed minis for 1G. Takes out squads. Gives the Bloodmage +3 or 4 levels with only 1 slot. So versatile. So useful. Use it as much or as little as you need.
The only one I disagree with is Harvest Golem ... I usually find myself putting it in various armies I've used in dungeons ... I only have it green with Unstable Core ... but I love the way it moves over the map. I also like Ghoul, but when it stops to eat I find myself losing my cheap tank for the push it was in ... Golem just chugs along slowly with many of the leaders you might couple it with (Tirion, Cairne, Jaina, Sneed, Thaurissan, Cenarius ...) ... it just goes and goes (especially if it gets heals) and when it dies everything just stops but your army just keeps pelting whatever was just stunned ... and then it gets up to walk once again, stunning everything again the next time it dies ... Couple it with AOE and it just slowly churns through anything. The three minis I wish were better ... and sometimes work for me with the talents I have for them ... are Firehammer, Bog Beast and Spiders. As for spells ... hardly ever use 'em ... would put them all in C or D ... only incidental use ... but that's just my play style, and I can see how people might use them more than I do.
defias no S ?? can solo a huntress with poison/ pick up gold + it cycle, agree with some other com prawler is minimum A tier with stealth talent also, can solo towers can OS most of the backlane unit/ reset tower aggro , disagree with the huntress, blizzard and darkspear troll also tbh without huntress you just can't pass some of the pve content or painfully so she deserv more love. But the rest is ok i agree
To each their own. I used her in all teams for all heroic content with great success. Sometimes to the point of cheesing. With glaive talent she destroys swarms of cycle minis, can solo towers and paired with a healer she can clear a map before you get a chance to cycle
I have killed it once at 21.0 (-3 levels) so far. Very level-dependent fight, at yellow difficulty it is easy, but gets much harder in deep reds. I think I have the strategy quite ready now, just need the repeats.
For me there were always 4 minis which stand out and fit in pretty much every deck i play, even after the nerfs, quillboar,harpyies,whelp eggs, and safe pilot and after it was released also witch doc so i would switch safe and pyro. Imo gryphon in pve is max B-tier and defias bandits never ever A-tier, maybe not even B.
I thought Flying Drake was needed for Onyxia not that I have completed it. My epic minis are safe pilot, quilboar, pyromancer and bat rider. Similar to tier list. Tirion will likely be my first epic leader even though I don’t use him much.
Plenty of strategies without it. I myself did not use Drake on my Onyxia kill (Drakkisath, Pyromancer, Whelp Eggs, Shaman, Witch Doctor, Defias Bandits and Skeleton Party).
I used skeletons with baron bloodlust. To knock towers and push heavy on boss with skeleton party.
Prowler with stealth & stun and Darkspear Trolll with self heal 20% every second are both A tier for sure
I have a feeling that this video was aimed to me!!
I need this so much right now! thank you so much :)
I really like the harvest golem for pve too, the double stun is pretty amazing for a frontliner with a strong ranged or 2 following it
I actually quite like that there is alot of disagreement in the comments. Shows how lots of people have made different chocies that also work, as opposed to one meta that conquers all. Glad its possible to have some varaity.
Sad to see Huntress so low, I really like her!
I use the troll spear guy in every team lol mine's like almost maxed out so he just passively outheals most things
Tazdingo lol I do too
and i'm here playing Huntress in all my decks, she even was my first Epic ^^
A great mini when overleveled, so a great one at epic.
Same she has been my main damage mini for all of the campaign/heroics in all decks
Everyone plays different to be fair, for me she's been S+. But I've also seen people have grunts as their first legendary.
The video I was waiting for!
this tierlist shows how much stronger AOE units are vs single-target, and that cost should range between 2-4. obviously there's nuance and examples that dispute it, but overall the lower cost &/or ranged minis rise to the top, and the single-target &/or high cost minis are below
I like gargoyle with halved aerial damage and resistance from Brightwing.
Also poison troll has carried me so many times.
I appreciate the tier list. Thank you. It would have been nice if you had also included leaders.
I wish so badly that the worgen was better, because I play a worgen in WoW. It doesn't even serve the purpose it's suited for: killing powerful ranged units. There aren't a lot of good answers to huntress, and worgen is supposed to be one of them, but it can't even handle that job. If it was a little stronger or if it was a permanent cycle unit I'd use it all the time.
Great tier list 👍 though I'd move Prowler to tier S, after all, u need 6 minis in a deck, and tier S has only 5 😆
sorry if i missed it, but did you list them in your exact favorite order, or only in tier? like, are harpies your absolute #1, then witchdctor #2, etc, or did they just happen to be in that order as you placed them?
I have a very different opinion on much of this list, but the main one is Banshee. I've just seen her glitch so often [by not actually taking anyone over] that i just can't stand using her. it's probably only 10% of the time, but at a cost of 4, there are very few targets that it's a good gold exchange, even if it did work
I tried to put them in the exact order, especially the top tiers.
Personally I like the gnoll brute with the armor talent. It's not a bad unit. Melee with cleave so good vs squads which some melee struggle with. Good of course at taking physical damage.
Here are OG's PvE & Conquistador's PvP ranks averaged.
S: witch doctor
A+: execute, quilboar
A: frostwolf shaman, defias bandits, whelp eggs, gryphon rider, ghoul, harpies
B+: SAFE, abomination, prowler, polymorph, deep breath
B: fire elemental, dark iron miner, harvest golem, banshee, gargoyle, plague farmer, ancient of war, chimaera, murloc tidehunters
C+: earth elemental, molten giant, huntress, blizzard, darkspear troll, stonehoof tauren, goblin sapper, cheat death, faerie dragon, vultures
C: holy nova, footmen, arcane blast, bat rider, chain lightning, necromancer, meat wagon, skeletons, angry chickens
D+: drake, firehammer, smoke bomb, living bomb, worgen, ogre mage, warsong raider, bog beast, gnoll brute, raptors, spiderlings
D: flamewaker, core hounds, mountaineer, warsong grunts, earth & moon, moonkin
Missing from Conquistador's: pyromancer, skeleton party
It really also depends on the leaders in pve and leaders/modifications in PvP. Could u beat Ony or heroic Ysera with S tier minis but Murkeye or Maiev as a leader? I have my doubts..
Again, this is good stuff for beginners who might feel overwhelmed with all the traits and are looking for a roadmap on which minis to lvl up first etc
nice list
you can talk about much but golem is not D
for the low gold costs its the best tank in game
Can you do the same for chiefs ? Your Pve tier list
I understand that some of you disagree with some choices here but let's be honest.. U all play for a long time and made your own experiences and that's cool but this is great material for beginners.
So sad to see Arcane Strike in D tier. It’s my favourite spell.
Reveals stealthed minis for 1G.
Takes out squads.
Gives the Bloodmage +3 or 4 levels with only 1 slot.
So versatile. So useful. Use it as much or as little as you need.
It's always fun to just overlevel your Thalnos with those cheap 1-gold spells.
Works wonders on General Colbatahn Heroic in Winterspring.
Tzdingo needs to be higher!!! I used him in most of my decks with bad voodoo. He’s a monster especially with a good tank to distract for him.
The only one I disagree with is Harvest Golem ... I usually find myself putting it in various armies I've used in dungeons ... I only have it green with Unstable Core ... but I love the way it moves over the map. I also like Ghoul, but when it stops to eat I find myself losing my cheap tank for the push it was in ... Golem just chugs along slowly with many of the leaders you might couple it with (Tirion, Cairne, Jaina, Sneed, Thaurissan, Cenarius ...) ... it just goes and goes (especially if it gets heals) and when it dies everything just stops but your army just keeps pelting whatever was just stunned ... and then it gets up to walk once again, stunning everything again the next time it dies ... Couple it with AOE and it just slowly churns through anything.
The three minis I wish were better ... and sometimes work for me with the talents I have for them ... are Firehammer, Bog Beast and Spiders.
As for spells ... hardly ever use 'em ... would put them all in C or D ... only incidental use ... but that's just my play style, and I can see how people might use them more than I do.
defias no S ?? can solo a huntress with poison/ pick up gold + it cycle, agree with some other com prawler is minimum A tier with stealth talent also, can solo towers can OS most of the backlane unit/ reset tower aggro , disagree with the huntress, blizzard and darkspear troll also tbh without huntress you just can't pass some of the pve content or painfully so she deserv more love.
But the rest is ok i agree
decent list
Huntress at a C? I get that you can do it with something else, but she is OP in all teams for all content
I don’t really get 5 gold worth out of Huntress. Prefer cheap cycle decks. Also easily countered.
To each their own. I used her in all teams for all heroic content with great success. Sometimes to the point of cheesing. With glaive talent she destroys swarms of cycle minis, can solo towers and paired with a healer she can clear a map before you get a chance to cycle
Huntress is just a bully. Great at beating lower levels, miserable if you try to punch up.
@@OldGuardian lol! Truth. But only if you trying to use her head to head. With good tank support and talents she lays waste to almost anything in game
@@locken2282 "Can shine in the right fight"
Is heroic Ramstein incoming?
I have killed it once at 21.0 (-3 levels) so far. Very level-dependent fight, at yellow difficulty it is easy, but gets much harder in deep reds. I think I have the strategy quite ready now, just need the repeats.
For me there were always 4 minis which stand out and fit in pretty much every deck i play, even after the nerfs, quillboar,harpyies,whelp eggs, and safe pilot and after it was released also witch doc so i would switch safe and pyro.
Imo gryphon in pve is max B-tier and defias bandits never ever A-tier, maybe not even B.
MEAT WAGON!!!!
Witch doctor - S tier both lists - best mini in the game oveall.
I would swap chimaera with pyromancer. Also, harvest golem is insanely good.
Spiderling in C??? why?
I thought Flying Drake was needed for Onyxia not that I have completed it. My epic minis are safe pilot, quilboar, pyromancer and bat rider. Similar to tier list. Tirion will likely be my first epic leader even though I don’t use him much.
Plenty of strategies without it. I myself did not use Drake on my Onyxia kill (Drakkisath, Pyromancer, Whelp Eggs, Shaman, Witch Doctor, Defias Bandits and Skeleton Party).
Drake was part of the early Onyxia builds, but not necessary anymore. Can still be used.
Same with ogre mage u can still use them at ony but in the heroics they are pretty useless.
Except dragon with broodmother talent for ysera.
Where is my necro?😅
He’s first in C tier.