Pete Waterman: If we can't express our opinions where do we go?
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Excellent comments Pete, you and I come from the era where we called a spade a spade! End of.
It's the death of honesty.
This channel, yes. Have lots of people on complaining that they can't speak when they're never off the telly.
@@rob338 fine line between complaining and explaining I guess . it’s not that you cannot speak of course you can still speak but the limiting of speech to protect the people who are offended by speech they don’t like .
“The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it.”
- George Orwell
So true. What we need at this time is more people expressing their opinion.
Can someone tell me an opinion Pete Waterman cannot express? Because he appears to be on TV expressing his opinions.
@@jimmimckenzie8549 Tell me someone who's been cancelled? All the people I hear about being 'cancelled' then go straight on to careers as right-wing grifters.
@@jimmimckenzie8549 Well again, can you tell me who has been cancelled and never worked again due to lefty cancel culture?
Can give you plenty of examples of it when the right kicked off in the past (Dixie Chicks etc.) but in modern times we hear a lot about cancelling but it doesn't seem to happen.
The Internet is riddled with grade-z celebrities spreading covid misinformation and even they don't get cancelled.
@@jimmimckenzie8549 Jimmy can you name a single person who has been cancelled by the left and subsequently not worked again?
Calling someone out for making a bigoted or offensive statement is not the same as being cancelled.
@@djturbine7565 Why do we have/need to name someone? A lot of the time it's ordinary people who are being cancelled and having their livelihoods ruined. I forgot his name but there was a priest who got cancelled because he dared to speak up about what was being taught to children at some school. He was all for gay rights etc etc but then they started using revolutionary rhetoric but when he tried to speak out about it he got suspended.
Basically anyone who dares to express the "wrong" opinion gets cancelled and, if they are well and truly unlucky, get doxxed/lose their job and have their lives completely ruined. If you haven't noticed this either A. You are completely ignorant and haven't been paying attention or B. You are a troll (and time waster) just like rob. I'm gonna go with the latter.
Great content. Enjoyable to hear his opinions on a broader topic base.. not just music... but very appreciated! thanks @GBNEWS
Always enjoy watching and listening to Pete. He is one guy I would like to meet and chat with.
15 thumbs down? Channel 4 fans up early today. This man, Pete Waterman, is a music God.
Corbyn's Hitler youth up way past their bedtime. 😂
Yes, we bow to the man who gave the world Sonia.
No, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Joni Mitchell, the Stones, David Byrne, Brian Eno, Frank Zappa, Nina Simone... these people are musical gods, this man is a record producer, and he produced some pretty awful music at that.
Fair enough though, nobody forced me to listen, not being a god isn't meant as an insult, and as far as I know he's a good bloke and I'd have a drink with him and all that, he just isn't a musical god, he's a good businessman who knew what he could promote to the hilt to sell vast amounts of and do very well out of it, fair enough again, but not a god.
Stock and Aitken are musical gods. The songs Pete wrote flopped
@@chriscoffee9070 This is the guy who was responsible for all the dross of the 80s.. songlists, airplay, guy who was part of destroying the genuine music scene. NOW he's complaining. Jesus H Christ. Sarah Harding was an alcoholic who could not cope with the fame. Guy is the ultimate liar. He's really arguing that things have gone 'downhill' from 'Pop Stars: the Rivals'? He's complaining about the lack of creativity in the UK music industry? ha ha ha .. what a joke. This is what conservatism has become. Interviewer: "I-I-I was peeersonal friends with girls aloud!" Pete:"yeah, bootiful!" Interviewer"what about Kylie?" Pete:"Yeah.. Incredible!!"
We live in such a weird society now and I can’t see anyway out of all this nonsense it appears to be getting worse if anything
Social media and billionaires funding a culture war.
@@rob338 can someone explain to me why all the tv advertising companies need to put a black or mixed race person or family in every tv advertisement now are they being told by somebody to do this ?
@@arrangrant6037 I can indeed explain that. The advertising authorities wanted ads to be more diverse and reflect the country as a whole. But ads are short and they use visual shorthand to represent this (rather than having characters spend time going 'I'm a working-class mum from Burnley, and here is my friend who likes Strictly and breeding pugs'). Which is why we get the mixed-race couple, the gay couple etc.
A similar thing happened in the 80s when ad companies wanted to appeal to feminist women in corporate jobs so we got a whole slew of ads featuring feisty ladies outdoing their male counterparts (think Paula Hamilton in the VW ad or the one where the office lady cuts the balls off a Newton's Cradle).
@@rob338 myself and my family just laugh at it now it’s got so ridiculous now considering that the UK is 85% white
@@arrangrant6037 Many companies are selling to world-wide audiences (think of all those perfume ads with film stars). There's even adverts on British TV that are American but they put in British voice-overs.
Johnny Rotten wont bend the knee to that rubbish.
He also called out Jimmy Saville long before anyone else did.
@Roger Mellie You must be kidding. They were total garbage.
We tell each other lies and distrust everyone. Just the way the Left like it.
I tend not to lie. I do mistrust others though no matter what political party they support because lots of people lie in this society to gain money, favours, to make others think they're doing well when the reality is they're unhappy and miserable etc etc. Lots of people in this country have the view that politicians lie yet the people still go out and vote for them - how crazy is that???
You can express what you want as long as it does not involve our diverse culture who can do no wrong.
Working class hero …. Absolutely 👍
(Interesting you mentioned Jonny Rotten ! Have a listen to some of John Lyndon’s recent rants! He makes a great deal of sense.)
Aw Pete 🤗❤️ he’s a good egg 🥚
My biggest fear is being in a coma- with Ed Shearan's music playing on a never ending loop- though if that happens, I'm already dead and Lucifer's the DJ.
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Great job with your husband! I bet you are living your best life right now.
I'm a young dad, I'm really glad to hear your story it inspires me.
What is fire movement please.?
@@andrewpaul311 Fire means Financial Independence Retire Early.
It's been a movement teaching people financial independence and how to retire debt free through solid investment and frugal lifestyle.
@@arialucas880 Thanks for replying I will read more about fire movement.
Great man. Great talent in his own right
I'd always thought SAW music as happy music. It brought so much joy to me even now. Music today is sadly lacking in that department and it would have to be something special to get me up boogieing.
Gab, telegram, meet in public, go to the pub.... Oh I dunno maybe just abandon the parasite controlled platforms.
Mr Waterman is a good egg. Also has the largest model railway in Britain, confirming his status for nuts like me.
Me too!
Sounds like he needs to make an appearance on Michael Portollo's excellent show!
Ha ha class
Stock, Aitken & Waterman wrote some fantastic songs. Pete is a legend. We're losing these great people.
@Joyce Gibbs A slight misconception it was Mike Stock and Matt Aitken that wrote and arranged the songs as Pete Waterman couldn't write a song to save his life LOL! The 3 of them would walk into the recording studio and shorty after Pete Waterman would step out and Mike and Matt would write and compose the track or tracks!
Speech seperates us from the Animal Kingdom, elevates us as a Species in communication and intelligence. Speech acts as a 'pressure valve' and enables us to air our grievences with each other without Violence. Take that vocal ' pressure valve' away by curtailing Free Speech and you create a condition where Violence to settle dissagreements then becomes inevitable.
Good job it's literally never been easier to communicate in human history.
we all should ware a yellow star to remind people where the rats in our government are taking us all. if we let them. public hangings nothing less will do.
we have to, what's left to do. just sit back and wait...
@chet baker, unvaccinated. right in the middle of it.
@chet baker yeah, your right but mine will have unvaccinated, right in the middle of it,
RACIST !
You have every right to choose not to get vaccinated and I hope you go as far as telling hospital staff that if you are unfortunate to get Covid and are very ill you do not want to be treated unless they (Drs/Nurses) have some spare time to treat you.
I auditioned for Popstars, the Rivals.....lol, I met Pete Waterman on the steps of the Lowry a few days before, and thought I'd hand him a copy of a demo I'd made of a song I thought would be right up his street. He brushed me off and said it was against the rules. I didn't know about the contest or what he was going on about. Anyway I decided to go for it after talking to my workmates who encouraged me, if only to get back at Pete! He of course recognised me when I was in the crowd with my guitar entertaining the troops singing songs by Sparks. I was interviewed on Granada twice, which thankfully friends had seen that day. It was hilarious...I did my audition later in the day with four other auditionees and sang "New Age" by Lou Reed. The others were doing the usual predictable audition repertoire. I performed well but never got past that initial stage, but hey, the judge said "It's nice to hear music for a change.." That said it all for me.
Pete Waterman is a great guy , produced some fantastic music and he has a passion for railways both model and the real thing like myself. So Ive got to be a fan!! Steam on Pete!!
Pete Waterman is awesome. Great interview.
What a lovely, sensible bloke
"To the grave," if certain public figures are to be believed...
Nice one Pete. Big up the Cov massive.❤️
YOU CAN'T CONTROL A PLANET
that's so arrogant
Interesting to hear his take on current issues but the idea that he, Cowell and the rest of the cookie-cutter 'star' manufacturing operations of that ilk was about creating great music is a joke. They operated a conveyor belt of prefabricated bands and solo artists with as much attention to quality and innovation as MFI used to put into their flat-pack furniture.
They weren't choosing the best artists, they were choosing the ones that would fit nicely into pre-defined marketing slots, it was a very slick operation of course, very clever and very lucrative, but it wasn't about music. There was a big clue in the name 'Hit Factory'.
The fact that some of their 'creations' did so well was almost entirely down to marketing and hype, and, sadly, a lamentably undiscriminating public. Musical talent or genuine creativity on the part of the artists was an incidental bonus.
Nothing against the guy, he's a very successful producer and businessman, and probably a good laugh to have a drink with but seeing pop idol as some kind of golden age of great music is just a reflection of how awful and tawdry the current mainstream 'music', is.
A very small number of notable exceptions aside, but they almost invariably didn't get created by a producer.
Have to agree.
But then,I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s so was spoiled rotten.
I’ve judged music by those two decades and the decline is almost complete up to the present time,and stock etc have to take their share of blame for that with their image driven manufactured formula pop.
Having said all that,I have quite a soft spot for Rick Astley,great voice.
Hear, hear! The bland paint by numbers artists of the 80's, with the exception of Dead or Alive, warbling along to facsimiles of the same song rearranged over and over. Then he was an exponent of turning Saturday night into a piss poor karaoke contest, and helping to bring down the quality of music and television in one fell swoop!
Spot on, Chris. Pete says "If they are not very good, then tell them". This is the man that inflicted Kylie Minogue's "music" on the unsuspecting public, lol.
@@carolebarker2195 None of her songs even after 30 years have anything to say and here he is, complaining about the singers today having nothing to say.
As Kylie Minogue the most lamentable singer said, 'It's not called The Hit Factory for nothing.'
Great interview, really enjoyed it.
I appreciate that he continues to speak so highly of Donna Summer. She was my all-time favorite, and the album they did together was brilliant.
Oh the nostalgia. You never know what you've got till it's gone 😢😕🙄😔
I know it's all too convenient now to play a song on UA-cam etc but I still love to own the real McCoy on CD/Cassette/Vinyl + regardless we will always get music in it's hard form for xmas and birthdays
Well said Pete
Why do people think they can't express their opinions?
@gavin you can say what you like when you like. Some shit has repercussions, like if I walk up to you and call you a wanker or something then you'll most likely retaliate. Retaliation is free speech. If a group don't want someone they can refuse their access to them. That's the essense of free speech.
Great interview, Thanks what a hero!
Hurtful truths or comforting lies!
But Pete, none of those songs you wrote for the ponies in your stable had anything to say either.
*What about Diversity "taking the knee" during Black Lives Matter themed Britain's Got Talent !*
They aught to change the name. Can't call yourself diversity while making the whypeepo out to be the devil.
That was sickening what they did.
Never kept that same energy did they, by doing that same dance for tony timpa. Probably never heard of him because he was a white man.🤦♂️
He had me until he said HS2 will save the planet
Oh God. Haven't got to that bit yet.🤦🏼♀️.
Legend
There has never been a time in any liberal democracy where anything can be ‘expressed’ without consequences.
This is actually true. There's always rules and laws (libel for example). For most of the history of Britain saying anything against the Royal family would get you severely punished. Even in recent years when they're not tossing people in jail for being anti-royalist, such sentiments will often see those who utter them destroyed in the press.
Alas, this new ‘Populist Right’ that has emerged has memory lapses about the approach that their ‘heroes’ historically took.
But when sportsmen and women or musicians express their opinions, then the gammons get triggered and complain.
If I heard roughly equal amounts of pro-woke and anti-woke pronouncements from them (as a group), I'd have no problem. But I don't. Yours sincerely, A. Gammon.
Try some testosterone Martyn
Great interview.. wish it was longer. Always enjoy listening to what PW has to say. I dont agree with his climate change views but as he said ' you have to express your opinion'.
Top bloke
Big up Pete speaking it proper and true
He's an old man who ran out of money
You need to bring on young people who will positively influence their peers on these issues. With respect they will not listen to Pete however correct he may be.
Definitely a generational thing. The youth is woke. The future is woke. Will the pendulum swing the other way or is it stuck forever?
Woke will eat itself alive 😱
Eventually 😳
You can express your opinion anywhere as long as you accept it might be wrong if you don't have the knowledge to support it, every one has a right to an opinion however every opinion is not right
Brilliant!
You can stick by a decision and still have regrets.
What does Pete call people with a cervix?
Birds…
Crumpet. 😛😂
Pete was the funniest ever on the Peter kay show.
If there is really a 'cancel culture', who's controlling it? No one has cancelled freedom of expression in UK. Sure we have the Equality Act, but it's up to every one of us to keep EXPRESSING our opinions - out of genuine belief and not pure prejudice - and *as importantly* to LISTEN respectfully to the opinions of others. Replacing conversation with rant has created much of bad feeling and causing offence when opinions shouldn't do.
To some extent the reality/ talent show/ instant celeb TV 'industry' that PW helped to create dug its own pit in creating a soft, luvvy, cuddly, glitzy, self-congratulatory environment for young people. No wonder many now feel so falsely emboldened and entitled that they easily take offence when a different opinion is voiced.
Spot on
On point
It's not where you go, but where you tell them to go.
OK granddad, whatever you say. "Insipid?" Pot, meet kettle
Say what you think and feel! How someone reacts is down to them and whatever their going through! Truth of the matter is im basically giving myself advice here as to how i should really be around people when realistically im the polar opposite to this!
You are allowed to have political songs now as long as its the right politics, otherwise you'll be cancelled or the media will be overly dramatic with you
HS2, can't see how getting from London to Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds quicker will save the planet.
Go to Milton Keynes Marshall arena on the weekend of mid October if you want to meet him in real life and enjoy his main hobby love in life of his very long accurate model railway layout on display at the Hornby trai show . I met him at similar ones and got a photo with him too and a long train chat and guaranteed no security of his around !
Here's a thought, is the lefty MP Angela Raynor allowed a free opinion too? Maybe we could lead by example and allow her 'scum' comments - even if we disagree
Great to see the 'hitman' again, and this is it for me, all the talk was of pop idol or whatever it was but for me, there was only one program worth getting home from the pub for back in the late 80's 'The Hitman and Her'. I was around 18 at the time and was in love with the show, the music, and of course, Michaela Strachen.
😂 👍 hilarious
Could not express my opinions on what he did to the so called music industry.
You need to bring Pete on again! Perhaps on Talking Pints?
I miss the 90s and 00s. Simon Cowell wouldn't last long on TV now. It was only the 2010s when he was last big.
Everyone has a shelf life
And?
I have always said that if you cannot sit down opposite people you disagree with and talk about the disagreement, then there is only one direction the situation can go.
You do not even need to come to a conclusion, but you at least need the ability to work things out. Once diplomacy is over conflict becomes the only option left.
Always beware of those people who try to silence the other side. Personally I always welcome people I disagree with to openly state their ideas and intentions, that way I either get to examine the situation more closely or I get to be the smartest guy in the room if their ideas are terrible... win/win!
Not nostalgic for pop stars or X factor at all. It ushered in the death of the charts which meant the death of top of the pops.
That said, he’s produced some incredible songs in his time
I can honestly see this all turning to civil war
PETE IS OK... IT'S THAT OTHER ONE
There's still some that have the guts to go solo and be independent that also put the work into getting seen. Tom MacDonald is the most straight talking of them all a Canadian living in America, but his songs cut across the borders because of how widespread the issues are now
This fuel crisis was engineered by people who to use it to argue we need to move away from oil. The was no need to let the public the will
will be a shortage of fuel when they knew people will panic buy.
Good ol' Pete!
There have always been controls on artists such as film stars contracted to studios from the earliest days. In more recent times, The Beatles found there were consequences for saying the 'wrong thing' and so it is today.
The difference now is social media where keyboard warriors react without thinking.
But, Pete, you ARE expressing your opinion, aren't you?
With HS2, it should be a monorail, it should be magneto, it shouldn’t be 18th-century buildings
Imagine the scenes if they had Darius on too for a debate!
Where do we go ? To the labour party of course !☺
The Hitler esq anti semitic socialists. Kids off to join Corbyn's Hitler youth.
Bunch of plebian's.
We can all go to the gulag
Anyone who slates Stock, Aitken and Waterman wasn't enjoying mainstream nightclub life late 80s early 90s. And yes I equally enjoyed the Madchester or acid house scene at that, time, but some nights you just wanted to go out and have a blast on a bird called Sharon in stilettos and that was the music of love 🍆
Hitman and her...always on tv after nightclub
It's uncomfortable watching Dan as an enthusiastic gay man who enthuses over PWL pop songs (massively influenced by gay club music) working for the anti woke, Farage employed GB News and piping out right leaning diatribe.
@gavin of course not, but watching Dan day in an day out fight the woke agenda and pretend to be a little farage/daily mail bot, and then see him talk to pete waterman for 9. 5 mins about kylie and donna summer and then ask two questions about his politics was laughable. I think the agenda was to try an goad pete into saying something controversial about misic and woke, it ended up with Dan gushing about kylie 😂😂😂😂😂
Who says that GB news don't give diverse opinions on broader topics other than right wing views
Didn’t know you worked with Donna Summer. 😎👍
Yes, pretty much revived her career in the late 80’s, scoring her a Top 5 hit and one of Donna’s now legendary classics, “This Time I Know It’s For Real”. The entire “Another Place And Time” album was written and produced by Stock Aitken Waterman and recorded at PWL. It really was SAW at the pinnacle of their careers. Donna returned to PWL and Pete to record again in 1995. She was scheduled to perform on the Hit Factory Live concert a few years back. Donna’s untimely and heartbreaking passing, sadly meant that was never possible.
@@wishkid79 Really another PWL album in 1995 with Donna Summer? So why didn't it reach frution? Plus Stock Aitken Waterman had broken up by 1995 right? Matt left by 1991. I know that Mike and Matt worked together still in the early 90's without Pete and Pete and Mike worked together as well in the early 90's and that was it!
@@SuperMarioBrosIII Not a full album with PWL. She went in to record a few tracks, with Gary Miller if my memory serves me right. PWL was more than just SAW, btw. Stock & Aitken were just the most successful team there. Followed by Topham & Twigg a few years later.
@@wishkid79 Interesing thanks for the info. Maybe someday these songs will see the light of day?
To 4chan of course, or Tor.
You can always talk to a wall...
Peter Waterman is it true u use WOLF skins in your cars?
I HATED Stock Aitken and Waterman back in the day. But looking back now some of the tunes were pretty good and you have to admire Pete's achievements considering his difficult background.
Utter bs. Mocking people who aren’t the full shilling is not cool. Pretty lame actually
Seems like you're supposed to hand over the keys, then quietly walk into the sea.
To the gulag Pete eventually ….
Save the planet, Build HS2!!! Oh dear pete😒Stick to your model trains👍
A brexiteer :-)
My mother Told us to tell the truth and shame the devil. I do and I'm still upsetting people but I'm not bothered you don't like it sorry I'm still not bothered
Pete always talks common sense
Corporate garbage
That is why i listern to oi! british music that tells the truth from a working class point of view. And yes it was branded racist and the truth is NO MANIPULATION OR CURRUPTION and it dont go with there agenda. Have a listern you might learn some thing?