Agreed that adding serious computational photography to the M43 system would be a huge step forward for a system that already has great, compact bodies and an enormous line-up of beautiful, small lenses
Hi DPReview, my advice to you (hehehe) is to make a study of what Olympus/OM System users think is important. I can mention a whole list, like ergonomics, look and feel and build quality but the one thing is of course portability. OM System managed to cram a lot of better technology and better weather sealing in just about the same size of body. I think OM System has listened very well to the whishes of the Olympus users (higher ISO, lower noise level, more dynamic range, better weather sealing and so on) and started off really well. And it is only the start.
@@ricseet4095 I own an Olympus EM1 and can't find a reason to upgrade to this new camera. Especially on the video side of things Olympus is hopelessly behind my Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. I think Olympus could be a major contender in video but it would require a dedicated timecode port, keeping proper timecode, internal RAW for video, and sadly four years after the release of the Blackmagic Camera for $1295 ... Olympus still can't deliver that.
@@watchandproduce know little about video. Fully agree with you if you are happy with the EM1.0 there is no need to upgrade. Have read Black magic do a great job for video. I need to try video out this year. Have a great Sunday.
@@ricseet4095 I own the original EM1 (so the MK1) and it's great for photography even in 2022. With video workflow (the time involved not just in shooting but preparing for the edit are essential). The best video requires good audio so you need an external way to record it and then a good way to bring all that together. Don't know what kind of video you want to shoot but if it involves actors or someone being interviewed I highly recommend the Tentacle Sync products. Track E is an awesome Lavalier mic and 32 bit audio (kind of like having RAW audio -- you can make someone louder or quieter without any noise) recorder that uses time code. If you use Track Es for your talent and then a Sync E with a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 4K importing and having all your video and audio footage synced is a dream because of time code which is standard in all professional film and tv productions for that reason.
You are comparing the OM1 against the A1 and Z9? A 2100€ Camera against a 5500€ and 7000€ Camera? I agree that the upgrades could or should be better, but I think that would be better to compare the OM1 against other Cameras like the Z6ii, R6 or A7iv. I think that the people are very unfair with the OM exactly like they were with Olympus. OM doesn’t need more quality or more technology! They need more support from UA-camrs… and they need to change the public perception about their products. Because it seems that doesn’t matter how good their products are… for the UA-camrs they should be better. We are talking here about a 2199€ Camera with characteristics that no other Camera has.
Cameras have really gone in a „go big or go home“ territory which is unfortunate for micro four thirds. The GH6 will without a doubt compared to the A7S III the most even though it may be cheaper than even the A7 IV and completely blows it out of the water in terms of video specs.
They also need to stop focusing so much on wildlife photography and encourage other genres, especially in their visionary programs, if the want to get more pro users. Their cameras are perfect for photojournalism and documentary work, sports and most other genres. I shoot live music with my EM-1ii, and that is usually the preserve of full frame cameras, but I’ve found it works as well, if not better than my old Canon 6D, which is also 20mp.
@@chrispatmore8944 while I agree with you, if marketing wants something interesting and immediately desirable to demonstrate the improved strengths of this new camera, it makes sense that they’re going to do so through travel, wildlife, and experiential photography. Documentary and street-as interesting as they are for photographic purists and documentarians-won’t have the same immediate appeal, at least not at announcement time. Perhaps some of their visionaries have a specialty in documentary and street work, which will be showcased at a later point. One thing wildlife photography does illustrate very well is the camera’s ability to focus accurately upon unpredictable subjects in environments that aren’t necessarily photography-friendly. So I get it that they are using this approach for marketing purposes.
I think OM Systems should concentrate on BETTER sensor photo sites rather than MORE sensor photo sites, which it seems they are already doing with a stacked BSI sensor in the OM-1. The number of sensor megapixels is a flawed metric of audience enjoyment and appreciation.
Hard disagree. Faster means better because then you could combine multiple frames, and also that reduces rolling shutter which directly impacts the final result.
The sensor in those cameras is already superior to FF sensors. You don't have 2 stop advantage, it is at best 0.3-0.6 stops at the same ISO. You get 1-1.5 stops benefit only with the base ISO vs base ISO, and that is like ISO 50 vs ISO 200 or ISO 100 vs ISO 200. And that is where the win is as you rarely get to use low iso in dim light, and when you can use low ISO it is in bright light where sensor benefit isn't really there. The equivalence hypothesis claims 2 stops difference. In reality it is 0.3-0.6 stops difference, and that is nothing at all.
100% agree, if they'll make a small enthusiast camera, with their great IBIS and automatic computational photograpy on every shot, they'll shake the market (if it works well of course)
Yeah, but they won't do it. First of all because they don't have the R&D budget and second because they killed the small enthusiast camera ethos many years ago. They are trying to target the hipster/traveler/wildlife market share with their IBIS/Weather sealing/small equivalent lenses BS.
All good points. Fully support the computational photography opportunity in M43. A big attraction of the system is the compact format with lens interchangeability. At the end of the day, the only thing that comes between the subject and the sensor is the lens and this is where M43 can really add to its value proposition. OM (and Panasonic) offer excellent optics, all in compact forms that make getting out and about with a camera enjoyable. This too adds to the value, as it is also an axiom that the camera that is convenient to have with you is the one that you will use.
As an Olympus user: I don't want more megapixels, 20mp is already plenty for general use and the handheld high res mode gives me more than I'd ever need for the landscapes I shoot. Lower storage requirements is more important to me Yessss please work together with Panasonic more, I own some of their lenses that Olympus doesn't make. I'd love the ois and ibis to communicate and the aperture rings to work. Please please please push computational photography. Make it automatic like a smartphone (with manual overrides). This is why I invested in m43, Olympus has a huge lead here. This is where they build their niche. Make the whole experience a bit more smartphone like too, better touch controls and easier to understand. Become the brand of hobbyists, adventures & wildlife shooters. Also please fix the only thing I hate about my E-M1iii, at the very least put this in the om-1. LET THEM RECORD VIDEO TO BOTH CARDS. Why isn't this possible???
It's an 80mp sensor which produces 20mp images. The final image will have more bit depth than the previous 20mp sensor. 16mp was absolutely fine, 20mp is more than enough. I understand we gotta nit pick otherwise an excellent camera, but as an m4/3 shooter for the past 10 years. The megapixel is literally the least important feature to me. I would be fine even with 12mp. More megapixels wouldn't improve the image quality, it would only make the files more cumbersome and slower to process.
There is a sweet spot though. Something like 16 or 12 is way too low. I used the A7Sii for some stills at my previous company, it was just bad. My cheap Canon 200D was doing much better when it came to portraits vs the A7Sii. 20~24mp is a good sweet spot and I don't really see the need for more.
Add the same functionality to something like the OM5III if they can. Any travel or adventure camera needs to be smaller if your traveling long distances in the mountains. OM5III getting close ( in lieu I often use my RX100 7 and GoPro) but the new OM1 looks like a great camera for road trips and local parks, currently my G9 works well here too. Very tempting, but will never be a perfect camera for all uses. Looking forward to seeing Panasonic’s GH6 next week; similar with better/ enhanced video options?
There are some really good and valid points here, and I agree with much of what’s said. However, I do feel that the request for more megapixels is… a bit overblown. Yes, I do get it. Some people do need higher resolution pictures, and also, more pixels = more ability to crop. But… all things considered, 20MP is ample for most users, especially considering everything else that this camera can do. Honestly, I think 20MP is a sweet spot that balances useful resolution against manageable file size. Much higher and the files start to be a pain to work with, with very few real benefits most of the time. Also, this new sensor delivers lower noise and better low-light performance in a system that was commonly criticised in those areas. Should OMDS really have upped the resolution and retained those negatives, as opposed to delivering better results at a resolution that’s ideal for most users? I do understand the desire for higher resolutions among DPReview types, but honestly, I think OMDS took the right decision here, even though it cost them Brownie points in terms of potential marketing and left them open to exactly the criticism we’re seeing. I personally don’t want much higher resolutions than 20MP as I have no use for them and they come with many disadvantages. The only way I could imagine being persuaded to backtrack on that view is if the camera had a REALLY high-res sensor (let’s say 80MP or 100MP) but downsampled every image to deliver a much lower resolution final picture (of, say, 20MP or so) with all the unwanted noise processed out. And if you absolutely needed the high-res raw original, you could get it from the buffer (but it’d probably be hideously noisy). So that’d be a bit like high-res shot mode in reverse… and some smartphones already do this kind of thing. I can see it as being a viable approach for future OMDS cameras, but for now… I like the decisions taken for the OM-1.
The most important point: we have two new MFT Cameras with NEW sensors to choose from! Personally I think that the OM1 is the better option! 20mp is the Sweetspot! I would love to see LUMIX and OM working together! A new Power Zoom lens would be GREAT! For 2200€ we have two FANTASTIC options to choose from! We are seeing a new beginning for M43! M43 is the future!
So, if OM will become a gadget (smart gadget) like was described at start of the clip, then for sure I will change the system. Because I choose the Olympus as tool for making photo, not as gadget making something/somehow beatiful images. MFT give enough blur when I need. There are no need to compete with bigger sensor at this part. Low light performing and quick precise autofocus with result of sharp images is more than enough for me.
Staying at 20 megapixels doesn't bother me at all. I just love that they switched over to the stacked sensor for faster readout and better high ISO performance. Unfortunately for them, the GH6 is on the horizon, and it will probably have 24 megapixels along with those other things. As far as shallow depth of field, there are affordable f1.7 and f1.8 primes for Micro Four Thirds. My Olympus 45mm f1.8 does a great job with this. The Sigma 56mm f1.4 is even better, and that's not too pricey. The quality of the bokeh is also quite nice. I hear about problems with full-frame cameras focusing on eyelashes instead of pupils, but all I want is to have my subject in focus and the background out of focus, and that's very doable with inexpensive lenses for Micro Four Thirds. If you want even shallower, Olympus has a line of f1.2 primes. Do we really need anything shallower than that? With regard to playing nicely with Panasonic, I completely agree. But we also need to include making DFD (flawed though it might be) work with OM lenses. The Live ND feature would be perfect and even game-changing for video if they would just enable that. If the Sony FS5 could do electronic automatic ND years ago, why can't OM do it now?
I switched from canon 5d MK IV to GH5s & G9 and absolutely love the platform. My 5D mk iv had noise banding issues ( very common problem with canon sensors which are only highlighted once you try to raise exposure in post). Long story short the move to the M43 platform was the best change I ever made. I have since convinced several of my canon friends to switch over to Lumix / Olympus and they are absolutely loving it. The G9 is the most versatile camera I've ever owned. I've travelled with it through ultra humid tropical jungles (Fiji) and freezing cold of Mt Ruapehu (New Zealand) and so far it has not missed a beat. The canon will not perform as well in the cold or the extreme heat and it's video capabilities and dynamic range are laughable. My Sigma Fp has a phenomenally better sensor than the canon as evident from my astro shoots. The thing I like about my Lumix cameras is the fact that Panasonic put so much of improvements/new features with nearly every firmware upgrade whereas you can rest assured this is the lowest priority with canon. I will have have a loan of the OM-1 when it gets released here in New Zealand and put it through it's paces. I like the fact that the OM-1 has a 4-Stack BSI sensor which if should in theory translate to better dynamic range and better images. The one thing I do not agree with is the polethera of computational & AI technologies being implemented in cameras. It kinda kills the passion for really learning photography and developing the art of taking good photographs (in M mode.....) My 2c worth. Thank you OM System for breathing new life into the M43. One of the most amazing benefits of the M43 ecosystem is the fact that so many lenses can be adapted for use on this system.
Sony manufactures the image sensors. They control the evolution of image sensors for M43. Samsung could possibly for an alternative supplier, or maybe HiVision, but these would be non-Japanese suppliers. Panasonic and OM Systems have to work with the sensors they can get. In any case, what is the point of more megapixels? More megapixels means heavier calculations for your computational photography.
@@djstuc A good point. That would be similar to micro-processor design and fabrication. I was not aware that Olympus and Panasonic had such design capabilities. I think though that there is more interesting potential on the computational side than on the volume of megapixels. Also, in the end, perhaps most of us want pictures that communicate beauty rather than document distractions in the image.
@@djstuc Well, I am certainly learning more about this from you. Off and on, I have been trying to understand this for a while, but could not find the information. Thank you! If you have some sources for me, that would be great.
@@djstuc Thank you again. I have started to look and there is more to DPReview than I realized. Comments to some of the article, while not necessarily solid, also provide leads and insights.
I want the OM-1 because of it's great ibis. However, it's $2200 in the USA plus another $150 for a battery charger since it doesn't come with one. I can get the A7iv for just another $150 which is full frame. Plus the Zooms are more expensive on the OM-1 while I can get a Tamron 28-75mm 2.8 or 17-28mm for $800 each. The size difference is not that much. Only category OM-1 wins is IBIS.
Yep, agreed on all fronts. Especially insightful that if both Olympus and Panasonic were more open with each other, they'd both probably sell more lenses. Personally, I'm shocked there hasn't been way more computational features. Having enjoyed Google's work here since the Pixel 2, I would often look at my phone and my Olympuses and wonder, what gives? Why are some shots just more convenient on the phone? I do hope they steer sharply in the computational direction, and truly differentiate from the competition. I wonder if opening up the hardware and cultivating a third party firmware scene would be viable? *shrug*
@DPReview TV What OM systems (and mft developers in general) need to work on low-light performance. Its among the most well known and troublesome setbacks for the platform, but it would be incredible if they could work on high-ISO cleanliness and nip that problem
Like you guys were saying, it is too bad how lens and sensor based IS between the two systems doesn't work. I haven't tried any M4/3rds yet in detail. Olympus is at least been making them a lot more appealing to me since the E-M1 Mark II era. "OM Digital Solutions"... you have my attention, haha.
As far as Megapixels the theoretical maximum for a 4/3 sensor using the 150-400mm f/4.5 at f/4.5 without diffraction would be a sensor of 7,452 x 5,589, or 41.6MP rounded off. This is with green light at 550nm and an acceptable diffraction of 2.5 pixels. This calculation got me thinking. I posted some of this on Dpreview also. What if we average 450nm Blue light, 550nm Green light, and 650nm Red light calculations and come up with a maximum diffraction limited megapixel count for a 4/3 sensor system. Here are the numbers for different f-stops when averaging all 3 wavelengths on a 4/3 sensor system. f/1.2 = 626.6MP f/1.4 = 460.3MP f/2.8 = 115.1MP f/3.5 = 73.7MP f/4.0 = 56.4MP f/4.5 = 44.6MP f/5.6 = 28.8MP f/6.3 = 22.7MP f/6.7 = 20.1MP So, with the average of all three wavelengths we see that the consumer lens with the maximum f/6.7 aperture at the telephoto end maxes out at the current 20MP resolution currently utilized by Olympus. However, at the pro end there is quite a bit of room for a megapixel boost. What are your thoughts on this?
Thought about this some more. Lenses to resolve more megapixels on a 4/3 sensor is more problematic. Here are some examples of lenses with resolution in line pairs/millimeter, with the sharpest being the Olympus 17mm f/1.2 Pro. Olympus 17mm f/1.2 Pro @2.8 98.6lp/mm is the sharpest = 37.8MP Resolved Olympus 45mm f/1.2 Pro 96lp/mm = 35.8MP Resolved Olympus 300mm f/4 Pro only 73lp/mm = 20.7MP Resolved (Bad Sample? Don't know) Olympus 75mm f/1.8 82lp/mm = 26.1MP So, we really need outstanding lenses to get to 35MP or so. Don't think we will see any improvement at 40MP and beyond without some kind of super lenses near 100lp/mm or higher. You would need a lens resolving 110lp/mm to resolve 47MP in a 4/3 sensor.
I bet they could possibly go up to 80 megapixels. This new Olympus chip has the quad bayer which each pixel is basically cut into 4 pixels. They probably could have made it 80 with no quad bayer. The noise would have been horrendous though. I’m quite happy with the previews of OM-1 I have seen. I’d rather have a high quality 20 megapixel shot. Than a really noisy 80 megapixel.
Actually, for most occasions, practically any photography which is not aimed to be printed much larger than letter size or DIN A4 (what is probably 99+ % of all photography) 16 MP on a MFT sensor is more than enough pixels. Olympus' approach to offer a 50 MP mode when you need it is quite an ingenious compromise. Or in other words: I don't need more than 20 MP. A better collaboration between Olympus and Panasonic would be a really good thing. I think, both companies and of course all customers would profit from that massively. Otherwise, not very many things you two advice OM Systems to improve on. That's good, isn't it? More than 90% of my shooting is analog, btw, but Olympus is my brand of choice when I want to use a digital camera.
M43 has 20MP, but its pixel density is equal to full frame has 80MP, and Sony A7R4 just has 61MP. Maybe A7R5 still using 61MP cmos sensor , then A7R6 may upgrade to 80MP or more pixel to reach its pixel density equal to M43's 20MP or APSC's 36MP.
A nice portable outdoor kit, with excellent ergonomics is more important than just megapixels for me. I don't use a tripod. I would like to see photographs from a production camera. I don't make large prints, but I do view my photos on a 32" BenQ monitor. As for video, I don't give a rat's ass (sorry Jordan). I would like to see what the GH6 is about, but being a hybrid, with what appears to be a lean towards video, I so do not see myself getting as excited, but I will see.
Hope you read this Chris and Jordan - Having interviewed the Panasonic camera division marketing manager the reason there is no compatibility with respect to in lens stabilization is that it was not written into the original MFT specification. Once Panasonic developed their internal specification it would have been a violation of the Sherman Anti Trust act to just copy it into the specification. Now the only way it can get incorporated is if the non Panasonic and Olympus members of the MFT association write a specification which does not favor either manufacturer but may be compatible with both existing. OM systems next camera, which they should do soon, is use Sony's existing 45mp MFT sensor in the OM-1 body yielding a OM-1R. Perfect sensor for animal and portrait photography. Since the OM-1 body is too small to dissipate heat , lacks the processing power and battery and space for the required CF Express sockets it should be limited to 4K60. Maybe a OM-1X which does 8K30 with thst sensor (OM-1H?).
I would love to see them make a 250mm f/2.8 Pro with a built-in 1.4x teleconverter for about $4,000. All the people shooting the 150-400 f/4.5 would want to add it to their collection for low light and everyone with a 300mm f/4 would want to upgrade to it to get more reach with the teleconverter engaged and an extra stop of light without it, and it probably wouldn't be much larger or heavier than the 300mm f/4, so I think that would be an extremely popular lens. Now that they've become competitive in terms of autofocus, perhaps that could be followed with a 400mm f/2.8 and 300mm f/2 that could be much smaller than their cumbersome full frame counterparts while giving the same depth of field and potentially better low light performance. The 100mm f/2.8 2x macro lens will be revolutionary as well, since that will effectively be a 200mm 4x macro lens considering the crop factor, yet it will probably be considerably smaller than Nikon's 200mm macro. Perhaps they could continue to capitalize on their small sensor for macro work by adding a 14mm f/2 macro or a 12-25mm macro zoom lens. A sharp 200mm f/4 prime lens with a modest price tag that is compatible with teleconverters could be an excellent compliment to any combination of their f/4 zoom lenses and would be perfect for soccer moms and dads, but also useful for professional wildlife photographers who need the lightest possible setup for really strenuous hikes in remote areas. A 100mm f/1.4 prime that could be used with teleconverters would be great for weddings, events, and sports, especially indoor sports, and would give full frame bokeh without the size and weight of a 70-200mm f/2.8. If OM System was to do those things, I think they could become very competitive and profitable.
You mind sharing the different mics used to record this? The sound was noticeably different between you too. I much prefer the sound that Chris' mic produced.
I have been using the Olympus camera along with my Nikon full frame and APSC camera since 2016 (Nikon since 1974) and own three including the fairly new Mark III. My thoughts are better lower and upper end ISO low noise performance, depth of field, at least 2 stops of dynamic range and a 30mp stacked sensor. I think their price points are good but that their marketing sucks and they need to improve. When someone ask me what camera to buy for hiking and outdoors stuff, the EM 10 comes to mind. They could improve all the lower end models weather sealing.
Isn’t it more like their marketing “sucked”-past tense? Seems in the months leading up to this camera, and since it’s announcement their marketing has been 2-3x what Olympus was doing with their cameras. Olympus was never this on-fire about new releases. But the new company seems to better understand not only the need for better hardware, but also the impact that education and social media can have on the effort to build awareness and let people know why this is a desirable camera. They’ll continue to improve. But so far it’s a good start.
@@ulysses01 I will agree with that. But they have some great cameras and great prices that young and old who want a highly capable camera. I think they need to build upward. The EM 10 is just a great intro camera and can do so much but is unknown to most people.
Would be nice if modes like hdr gives you a RAW file like apples pro raw. Like the high res mode on my g9, but for HDR or multi frame noise reduction too. Would make life a lot easier, especially when using Lightroom mobile on the go, where you can’t simply stack pictures. While at it, apps across the board should be updated to support raw file and high res video transfer if they don’t already. Hate that I’m screwed when I forget my SD card reader.
If the OM-1 is capable of reading out all 80M photodiodes on the sensor at once, then since each pixel is basically an AF sensor, it would have full resolution focus data, which could in theory be used for almost perfect fake bokeh, since the camera knows to exactly what degree each pixel is defocused and could proportionally blur that exact part of the image.
It is a shame that micro 4/3 is not a true standard. That was suppose to be the big game changer for this system. Then they just became like al the other camera makers. Small incremental updates, but then cripple other stuff. I wold buy the OM-1, but there is just enough improvement for the bird photography I do as a hobby to justify buying the camera. Some will argue that their is enough and that is fine if you happy with it. I am not, will keep using my E-M1x. Will keep saving my money and see what comes out nest year. Hopefully Canon is working hard on releasing a mirrorless version of the 7D Mk II camera and hopefully they don't do stupid mistakes.
They basically need to do what smartphones do - when you press the shutter, you get like 10 photos, taken ultrafast and stacked together. If a camera can do it, with its bigger sensor, higher quality, actual optics and immensely better grips - voila!
The more features the higher the price...and then reviewers will complain about price compared to full frame. So, maybe they're taking a slow approach with camera improvements just like smartphones do with their features.
I'm curious. Have you guys ever done this before? Gave a good initial review only yo follow it up talking about where the manufacturer failed and what THEY need to do? Did you do one saying the Canon R6 is only 20mp and they don't have any real features their DSLR's lines don't have? Have you done a follow up telling Sony their weather sealing sucks and how many people's Sony A7 III's have fried in damp drizzly environments and how they still have not improved it on their below $3000 bodies? This video just seems....... strange to me. Why does m 4/3 struggle? Videos people like Tony the douche ( FF is or it sucks) Northrup, or that clueless Fro ( gotta read my notes) don't know photo, and now it's almost like you guys might slip into that camp. As a long time 4/3 shooter, this camera checks off all the boxes I needed to stick with Olympus. All I wanted was a nice solid upgrade from my EM1 mark III. I feel if a company puts something in a camera it better do what it's meant to do. But at the same time. A lot of this tech did not exist just a few years back and yet somehow everyone survived. Now everyone has become that spoiled rotten little girl from Willie Wonka ( But I want a bettuh camera nowwwwwwwwww" " It MUst have this this that and this and oh yes must have this too" Waahhhhhh This is a huge step up from their last body. Like everyone else, some tech is withheld for future bodies. Shit Canon, Nikon and Sony seem to replace their bodies yearly to keep the full frame sheep running to feed.
Oh God, mega-pixels, more mega-pixels .... Is that what photography is all about? Seriously, even the high end Nikon and Canon FF cameras are 20 MP only. My Nikon D750 is only 24MP, and that is more than enough for my needs, even with heavy cropping. DPR needs to focus more on photography and imagery, not tech stuff.
Interesting to hear your point of view. Whilst I agree with some of your suggestions, I do have to disagree on others. Most Olympus/OM System users see this as a big leap forward, much bigger than the progress from the E-M1 Mark II to III. Fake digital bokeh, you say? No thanks. There's a big difference between using the camera's computational abilities to achieve shots within the laws of physics and adding fake digital effects. The whole shallow depth of field not being achievable in MFT is a myth. Furthermore, a lot of photography requires more DoF not less. Besides, a completely blurred out background is a look that became a cliché in the last decade and it being rejected by progressive photographers. Smartphone panoramas are less likely to succeed than what is achievable in specialist software on computers with more processing power. I prefer stitching images in post-processing. Also, High Res mode is quickly accessible through the super control panel or the drive mode button on top of the camera; you don't have to delve into the menus to find it as you suggest. Moreover, it is possible to have one of the custom modes set to any combination of settings, so switching from bird in flight photography to a high definition landscape just requires turning a dial a notch. I agree that closer working with Panasonic would help the user, but the lenses are far more interchangeable than say Nikon, Sony and Canon. Would you propose that they all use the same mount? Wouldn't that be great? Personally, I am glad that it is a 20 MP sensor. It's all I need. After all you only require around 8 MP to print A3 size at photo quality. Additionally, the file size of bigger sensors is ridiculous, and I don't want that. The huge increase in dynamic range and the superior noise reduction in camera is a real boon. Thanks for the interesting video.
I don't think the reason to go more megapixels because it's been too long is not a legitimate reason. 20MP does have advantages (smaller file size which translates to less storage requirements and faster editing). I understand the benefits of high resolutions but 20MP prints very well even at large sizes.
Please keep cameras as cameras and phones as phones...this idea that our phone is going to be the everything and the end all, is a sad statement. the idea of fake bokeh is alarming! I think OM did a great job with their new camera.
This video seemed a little bizarre to me. The OM 1 majorly improves just about every issue that was mentioned in the EM1 iii review and yet with Olympus/OMD it's not revolutionary enough. Do you want it to sprout rotors and turn into a drone. What about waterproof to 100 meters. Maybe it should not just mimic a cell phone camera but it should also allow you to take calls or surf the internet on the rear screen. I'm sure that there's room for improvement and that they are looking into computational opportunities but myself I am pretty impressed at their first effort.
Honestly, they haven’t even start selling the camera yet. Let us compare it to Z9, a1, R3. Hey wait a second are these cameras approx 2.5 times more expensive. It’s a question of price as well. Say the made an OM-fatanstic that can do what those three could combined. Price tag = unsellable. The only reasonable that came out of this video: Please Panasonic and OMDS. Work together that was the reason why you did silly named Micro Four Thirds standard in the first place (at least I think it was). Is this a kids in the candy store kinda video? Guys you are normally way better than this. I will buy the OM-1 the sevond it bevomes available. But if the pricetag was 25% higher I would not.
Yeah this needs to be around $1599 and go on sale during holidays for $1499.. this is an impressive camera and live that they finally updated the view finder.. but still this isn't ground breaking specs.. More like just getting it closer to what's out there already selling..
I’d like to see OM partner with Blackmagic for a pocket cinema camera with OM’s stabilization and focus tech. Blackmagic’s BRAW tech and video-focused features.
Agree about computational photography--it should engage by default in IA mode or make a CP mode on the dial. No one is making the basic camcorder really, so a power zoom is an interesting idea, not sure if anyone is interested. The lens issue where certain features don't work on other cameras is totally ridiculous. Also, if you can have 4K on a 2/3" sensor you can have 8K on a 4/3 sensor. Even if you don't use it you can downsample the 4K.
To be honest i expected much less from OM.They did good job this time :) M43 can be perfect for travel photography due to it's size and weight. With AI eye detection, great AF and IP53 sealing we can go anywhere, anytime. One thing troubles me - we have OM-1 and GH6 just around the corner, but what about smaller, less advanced and cheaper models ? :)
Dear Dpreview, While the comments are valid(and i do agree with some), I disagree completely with the approach. First and foremost its a 2199,- camera and not 5999,- like the Z9. That is totally unfair as for a comparison. Why not using something like the very popular Z6 II? And why is there not appreciation for what they have archived with the OM1? Compared to the EM1 MKIII or X this OM-1 is years ahead… this seems a complete biased unfair commenting, one might say even bashing of the OM-1. This will not help the camera sales at all.
You simply fail to understand that DP Review is comparing the OM-1 to the GH6 in a subtle way in this video. Like a warning before the GH6 review hits us on feb 22. The GH6 has a 25 MP sensor and equal or better specs.
@@GrenlandUnderVann No, I used GH4 and GH5 and the GH6 isn’t of interest of all. I mean it uses a Fan! That is a Nono for outdoor adventure travel hybrid camera. Panasonic really didn’t help themselves with the GH6. It is simply no hybrid anymore but just a S1H with a m4/3 sized sensor. For Video Shooter it is a Great one - no doubt, but for the Hybrid Users… not anymore. The 25MP Sensor might be good to great, but the package isn’t, unlike the OM1 which is all about the overall complete package to go anywhere. And don’t get me started on DFD… in CAF Tracking it has been awefull compared to an EM1 MKII or better. No Phase AF is a big miss for Pana
@@timafken2297 The fan is outside the waterproof enclosure just as on the Panasonic S1H. Fan is likely only needed to run on the higher bitrate codecs and high frame rates. I'll reserve my judgement of the AF until after I have seen the reviews. As for the hybrid use you might have a valid point, then again Panasonics own statement is: "The Panasonic LUMIX GH6 is designed to meet and exceed the needs of content creators."
couldn't disagree more on resolution....love my Olympus and have preordered OM-1....But just like everything else, just my opinion and the wonderful thing about photography now a days - there literally is a system for everyone and in every price range..
I'll choose lower noise over more megapixels every time. If there is a technology that can provide more mp it's fine, but it's absolutely not necessary, some great cameras are 20mp like Canon 1DX III, Canon 6D, Nikon D500 and no one complained about this. Also I have never had complains from clients that the resolution is not enough. For the communication about Olympus and Panasonic I completely agree, but I think probably there are some patents and propriety algorithms that both of them are trying to protect. With that said how is the situation with the Sigma / Tamron lenses with IS for other systems, are they working together?
Well in terms of noise reduction, AI tools like TopazLabs Denoise AI and DXO Deep Prime AI are making many of the older lower sensor cameras feel like new. Give it a try. You can shoot up to 6400 - 8000 ISO with MF3 and get super clean files. You do lose color fidelity, detail and dynamic range at high ISO compared to base ISO, but that is the case for all camera unless they feature dual native ISO mode. But compared to previous methods, this new AI technology for cleaning noise is giving new life to older cameras or small sensor cameras. So I think some of the demand can be offloaded to post production. I would therefore prefer the companies do things we can't in post production. Features in the camera, ergonomics, battery life etc.
Proprietary Algorithms are pointless versus the opportunity to learn and grow the system. Panasonic/ OM should collaborate for the greater good of µ4/3, and maybe include Sigma/ Tokina/ Tamron too... ...
@@KrunoslavStifter yeah, color fidelity is a problem at high ISO, not so much the noise, it's not very bad, the structure is ok, lower DR and color fidelity are worse, but in any case all denoise tools are not suitable for big batches of images.
Couldn't disagree more on the resolution issue. The biggest limitation for me when I think about smaller sensors are low light sensitivity, noise performance and dynamic range. 20 mpx is plenty for MFT. I'd much rather they keep it around that and focus on the stuff that matters, not cram more pixels into that small sensor to the detriment of the stuff that matters.
This sensor was designed to do *exactly* these things. If you haven't tried MFT yet, renting an OM-1 with some fully-compatible Oly glass could prove kinda' spectacular.
@@willhouse Never tried Olympus, but I did have a Lumix GX80 years ago. I thought that even 16 mpx was kinda enough for this type of camera as well. Especially seeing that the OM-1 has the sensor shift high res mode if you want to use it for landscapes or architecture, I don't think I'd ever want for more. I'd be interested to see how it performs in low light, specifically if it was comparable to my full frame DSLR.
@@henrikjohansson6629 The Olympus/Lumix in-body-plus-lens stabilization is nothing short of incredible. My GX8 only has Dual-IS1, & it still awes me whenever I use the 100-400mm zoom. I can only presume that hi-res mode would be similarly impressive... Seriously hoping that there will be a beefy GX10 or PEN-Fii camera body coming soon so I can get the latest functionality plus some great style. 🤓
Exactly the big problem are resolution and noise but 20 mpx are good for a lot of print but the noise is a serious problem. This Om1 promises 2 stop but from raw i see only 1 stop difference with old m4/3 sensors
we want results and real world review not just analysis of the numbers. lots of cameras who give speed stop at 20 mp for full farms. surly 20 is more than enough for the tiny one.
What you guys said makes sense but, for me, the new OM-1 is as technically capable a camera as I would ever need. I'm not a pro. Remember the PROs using 5mp cameras a short while ago? Any improvements OM System makes going forwards will only be icing on the cake for me. 4k 120p? Cool but gigantic file sizes. More megapixels? At what cost? Lower light sensitivity? Slower processing? who knows.
Interesting, when Fool Framers review cameras like this new OM-1, they concentrate on what the camera can’t do. Almost nothing about the good things. What other camera in this price range can shoot photos at 120 fps or 50 fps with CAF? What other camera have Live ND, Live composite. What camera has better face and eye detect? This new cameras have features that other brand’s cameras don’t have even if they are three times as expensive. If the sensor isn’t good enough, blame Sony for making shitty sensors.
I think OM-1 is at the right spot of resolution. Cris is full of sh.. saying you want of more resolution. There is option for big resolution photo, but not all photos has to be big resolution, and olympus being realistic making right size of sensore not what influencers / youtube reviewers requires. Seems every brands hooked on pixel sensor wars but olympus is more down to the earth and making realistic sensor. I think tis camera has huge perspective and i can see olympus focusing on developing cameras that can shoot without tripod what is exelent idea :) keep up olympus, stay being awaken :)
Any comment on the claims for the sensor in regards to 2 stops improvement in noise and 1 stop improvement in dynamic range? If those are true, do we need an increase in MP? OMDS (Olympus) always has been in the forefront for firmware updates of their camera features in substantial ways. Have you tried their noise reduction software in their image software? I definitely agree with making their lenses more compatible with one another since I own a GX-8 and the 12-100. They already are a beautiful pairing which would be even better with syncing of the IBIS systems.
I may be in the minority, but I am impressed with the OM-1 specs. The question for me is, does it have Auto ISO in manual mode with exposure compensation for both stills and video. The lack of that is the main reason I left m43 in the past.
The Gh6 is supposed to be 24MP, that's what the leaks are saying. But it's in a heavily videocentric camera with a cooling fan and DFD trash tech. I'll take the 20MP of the OM1 then.
Mirrorless cameras have no need to follow the SLR form factor. I'd love to see the design of these new camera bodies start looking like they're informed by the ergonomics of actual hybrid photo/video usage rather than what long-time hobby photographers expect. Case in point: fixed, center-mounted EVF's! After 6+ years of using my Lumix GX8, I'm *totally* sold on the articulated viewfinder. Fuji's medium-format version looks downright heavenly.
These 2 needs to learn from Chris Eyre Walker, actually spend time out there for weeks and test the OM-1 not just a day or two. People have different needs, choices. Some like FF, some APS-C, some m43. I choose M43 for travel photography, just like I choose Coke vs Pepsi. Some prefer blondes over brunettes, same as camera systems. OM-1 doesn't have to have FF specs, honestly I don't need it. So, stop comparing apples to oranges!
think about the promotion schedule! olympus need to send hundreds of cameras to influencers of each language and platform around the world. this needs to be coordinated for a month before release, with a camera at each 'reviewer' for 3 days, and postage for 4 days minimum. assuming no parts are lost between reviewers, they need some time to prepare, well after signing the NDA. Then what do you do with all these secondhand cameras? olympus endorsees get more time and/or get to keep the product if they are good team players, or buy at cost.
What is the purpose of more resolution and isn’t it a common knowledge that diffraction in M4/3 is the limiting factor in how many pixels a small format system can have ? 16 Megapixels is already quite a stretch and equivalent of 64 Mpixels in full frame sensor pixel pitch wise. Therefore 20 Mpixels is equivalent of 80 Mpixels in that regard. That’s a lot of optical resolution to ask from a lens.
It’s so frustrating you guys not getting resolution properly. At this sensor size any meaningful increase in resolution would be a decrease in IQ at the magnifications used by most MFT users. As high res sensors get better 20MP is also always going to be better at capturing cleaner images with more DR. Yes when you have a high res full frame sensor you’ll see about the same amount of noise at normal magnifications as you’d do with a lower res sensor. But why throw away the highs DR and color fidelity when you don’t need to print large or crop much? Please both of you just watch Part Two of Steve Yedlin’s Resolution Demo again.
I posted my comment and just came across yours. I fully agree with your comments. To me DR, noise performance and Color fidelity are important. OM1 is using a 80MP sensor configured to 20MP and hopefully further improve the IQ.
I agree with you. I bought Sony A9 when it was first launch. It’s new technology for Sony. Took them from FW 1.0 to 6.0 to get the AF for birding to perform right. Despite their resources this took many years. I am sure we will get to enjoy the FW upgrades of OM1. Just have to be patience.
Forget about the MP!!!!!!!! Low light performance get's much worse with higher resolution and that's the weak point of M43. Perfect decision against the mainstream MP hype!
The main reason so many people perceive megapixel count as being important is because reviewers never stop banging on about it. Change the record already.
totally agree. I don't see the OM-1 camera somewhere near "wow". Too much wording, too much wrapping, not enough content. Exactly what you said, just for psychological reasons a tiny bit more resolution would have been nice. Lets see if the leaked 25MP sensor of the Panasonic will be true - sounds like a good step to me. On the GH6 the super-weak spot WILL HAVE TO BE AUTOFOCUS. Even if the GH6 will turn out to be the REAL wow camera - unreliable AF will ruin the whole show. Regardless the speed, megapixels, video options, ProRES codec, you name it. If the AF f***s up, the system f***s up. Simple as that.
It depends on what you want. DFD honestly isn't as bad as people make it out to be. In videos it is worse, but for stills it's just as capable and a hell of a lot faster in low light and Single point AF.
hmmmmmmmmm Have they been got to.......... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ by the Canon Sony big corp guys makes you wonder.....????????????? Tony and Chelsea territory this one (just waiting for their video knocking the om-1) Look I just want a reliable compact camera (dont give a crap about video) It needs to be portable.... tick it needs to be rugged, weather proof have great ibis great lenses .....tick tick tick tick it needs to have good focus ....tick....... the best camera is the one you have with you and that for me is olympus.... cant tell you the number of shots id have lost if i hadn't brought my olympus on an impulse .I can go anywhere with an f4 300mm without looking like a crank(cant see me doing that with a ff 600mmf4!!!) ps FF guys why dont you go medium format ????????
On my EM-X I can push one button, then the shutter the camera will record a 50meg high res shot press a button and go back to my previous mode and continue to shoot
As a late adopter of MFT I completely agree that OMDS and Panasonic need to work together more. What does and doesn't work between the two is a bit confusing for someone new to the system.
Also as an early adopter deviating from the standard degrades the value of m43. And especially in the declining market working together would be even more important now.
Lens interoperability was the only thing that attracted me to the m4/3 system in the first place and the failure to follow up was what made me abandon it for Fuji.
I expect to see a lot of these asks in the GH6, currently the AF is the big question 🙋♂️ people are going to want to know (actually it’s the ONLY question at this point after all the leaks).
In terms of high resolution, the problem they have is that the 20MP M43 sensor is very pixel dense already. It’s equivalent to an 80MP full frame sensor. Maybe they could have a high resolution sensor that does pixel binning by default and then use the full resolution when you need it. Although I think the new quad Bayer sensor works a little like that anyway.
I think expanding the circumstances where you can get 20mp, clean low ISO images is the way to go, and we already see this with the night mode on the OM1
Does it blow your mind if I tell you, that tbe 20mp sensor is actually a 80mp sensor with Quad Bayer filter layout? Explains why readout is twice of what the 40mp A1 does 😜
@@weizenobstmusli8232 yeah I thought so, but not sure about the technicality of it. If true, maybe they should market it as a 80MP sensor. I mean Samsung do that by marketing their cameras as 50 or 100 MP even though they pixel bin it down to like 12MP
I chose the Olympus because I wanted a dedicated macro rig, and it has the highest pixel density of any camera I could afford (there are a few 80-100MP cameras in the $6000 range)
Correction. The OM-1 is the second OM camera, not the first. The first is the PEN E-P7. Sure it is not sold in North America but it is still available. I know because I have one that I bought from a dealer in Hong Kong. It has English menus and NTSC video, so no compatibility problems.
Agree that if it is to attract newcomers and carry the legacy owners forward, it should have more magic. However disagree with the 20 Megapickles is not enough. Improvements in technical image quality - dynamic range, noise even better achieved focus are much more value than pushing 20 to 24. Pushing it to 40 is just silly for many reasons. There's lots of third party computational photography - Adobe Enhance features, Topaz Gigapixel AI if you really need to print large prints
I love dp reviews, however, I just feel that m4/3 suffers because of this kind of content getting rammed down our ears by everyone on UA-cam; the whole “can micro 4/3 compete” content. The truth is, it’s a great system that works really well for most people who try it. It doesn’t need to constantly be compared to full frame. Quit beating a dead horse and please just let all the systems co-exist. There are so many times I see a photo and can’t differentiate what system (phone through full frame) it was shot on. If micro 4/3 ever dies, it’s because the internet willed it to happen. Too many UA-camrs have the stupid “Micro 4/3” is dead” title. It’s just so dumb. I’m gonna be plenty mad when the collective camera community finally kills off micro 4/3 and I have to buy a bunch of new gear just so UA-camrs can get views off of content that kills a platform people love.
Wow Dan, I could not agree with you more and have said as much many time. A fellow professional photographer I know who is a Canon FF user referred me to a video by You Tuber, J Christina, a Canon user who went on about how the OM-1 was overpriced and was probably the 'nail in the coffin' for at least the Olympus/Om Digital Systems m4/3's line. All of this was pronounced with a show of sadness for the poor owners and fans of m4/3's, and all of it was before the OM-1 was officially announce, nor was an official price announced. He somehow managed to compute a theoretical initial price of $2,600 -- which of course is $400 over what the actual price is. I am fed up with all these negative numb nuts. By the way, my friend who is a Certified PPA Master Photographer is planning to replace his Canon 6D with an Olympus E-M1X -- because he's been so impressed with the performance and output of mine. :-)
@@gregm6894 Yes! It’s all just getting soooo obnoxious. It’s just UA-camrs speculating stuff and creating content based off these speculations to get views. I’m over it. Today, I went to a shoot at a brewery and brought my em1 m3, however, I brought my canon rp along because of insecurities. This all stems from being fed these UA-cam videos that claim micro 4/3 isn’t enough. People view these videos and make purchasing decisions from them. The problem is, all of these videos have a negative connotation baked into them about micro 4/3 and it’s apparent need to play catch up all of the time. This only hurts micro 4/3 reputation and sales. Everyone just needs to chill and keep their full frames if they like them and stop harping on micro 4/3 playing catch up to full frame.
More pixel? No thanks. Pana lenses? Don’t care. Fancy video features? Don’t care. Give me: Better stabilization, faster and more accurate autofocus, longer battery life, faster processor, better menu, better screen and viewfinder, usable size and weight and high quality lenses, and a price that is not insane. If I could ask for more I would suggest a trade in/ upgrade program and the pen-f color wheel feature.
Why not 2 billion megapixel sensors??? Come on , so your argument is MP should continually be increased? Ridiculous and stupid to keep going there. Did people in the 35 mm film days keep increasing the size of the film? I have a 16mp Fuji and 16mp MFT Olympus and Panasonic along with a 20mp 1 inch sensor Canon and Lumix. They are all pretty much indistinguishable on my computer screen and especially when printed. Not one of my friends has ever been able to guess the sensor size or megapixels from a single print when laid side by side. I think OM has went in the right direction however you are mirroring the foolish thoughts of those who are never satisfied with what they have and those just starting in photography will surely follow people like you who push for more and more megapixels. I still have my first Olympus EPL1 and a Fuxi X30 12mp and a Canon T2I 16mp and Olympus EM5 16mp. They have all traveled around th world at different times and all still work flawlessly. That is what I appreciate. The fact that they last and last. I have had a Sony A series corrupt and a Coolpix that died but for the most part I am in 2022 most concerned with build quality and we all have cameras that we take everywhere and those that we baby. I enjoy video also and that's why I especially love my Olympus cameras. Most of my cameras are high mileage and I think this new OM will find its way into my camera bag. Thanks for all the awesome reviews over the years even though I have to disagree when it comes to pixel wars. Thanks again guys.
I wish you guys would just drop the obsession with megapixels. When I was a Nikon user I upgraded from a D7100 (24 MP) to a D500 (21 MP), and didn't look back. The latter was a far superior camera despite the lower resolution sensor. Yes, the MFT manufacturers could play the numbers game for marketing purposes, but that's all it would be. Perhaps MFT does have a barrier to going higher in the pixel count due to pixel size and sensitivity issues. 'Ye cannae break the laws 'o physics captain'. I congratulate OM Systems for not heeding the siren voices and sticking to their guns on this. By the way, your original review of the OM-1 was brilliant, and helped me decide to pre-order mine.
Yes, if they could get the sensor to be fast enough to do hand held high resolution with moving subjects it would be incredible. This would also be better than increasing the native resolution of the sensor since you would not be hitting a new diffraction limit. Honestly, I was expecting them to have a sensor readout of at least 1/500 since the full frame sensors are hitting around 1/250 readout speed. Love your thoughts on what they can improve!! Keep it up!
Yes, agree, that would be quite important. High res mode in M1III takes almost 1sec from taking first frame to last frame ... even at fastest shutter speed of 1/8000. And that is often too long even in landscape when even only a slight wind is moving leaves and bushes. So therefore the high res mode is not suitable as often as I wish it would be. And the new M1 seems to be doubling speed, but what we need is about 10x speed.
Why do you guys complain about the resolution? The EOS R6 sells like hot cakes despite having 20.1 MP and it’s full-frame, where higher resolution would be much more reasonable than on Micro Four Thirds.
Rather than going for more megapixels, I would prefer if they can give better low light performance, less noise at high ISO (at least comparable to older generation APS-C size sensors e.g. Nikon D500), better autofocus and tracking. This is especially true when paired with their 300 F4, 150-400 f4.5 lens or 100-400 lens for sports and wildlife. These are slow aperture lenses and desperately need better low light sensors. For landscapes a high res mode with 50mp is more than enough.
Agreed that adding serious computational photography to the M43 system would be a huge step forward for a system that already has great, compact bodies and an enormous line-up of beautiful, small lenses
Hi DPReview, my advice to you (hehehe) is to make a study of what Olympus/OM System users think is important. I can mention a whole list, like ergonomics, look and feel and build quality but the one thing is of course portability. OM System managed to cram a lot of better technology and better weather sealing in just about the same size of body. I think OM System has listened very well to the whishes of the Olympus users (higher ISO, lower noise level, more dynamic range, better weather sealing and so on) and started off really well. And it is only the start.
I fully agree with you detail comment. Thank you.
@@ricseet4095 I own an Olympus EM1 and can't find a reason to upgrade to this new camera. Especially on the video side of things Olympus is hopelessly behind my Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. I think Olympus could be a major contender in video but it would require a dedicated timecode port, keeping proper timecode, internal RAW for video, and sadly four years after the release of the Blackmagic Camera for $1295 ... Olympus still can't deliver that.
@@watchandproduce know little about video. Fully agree with you if you are happy with the EM1.0 there is no need to upgrade. Have read Black magic do a great job for video. I need to try video out this year. Have a great Sunday.
@@ricseet4095 I own the original EM1 (so the MK1) and it's great for photography even in 2022. With video workflow (the time involved not just in shooting but preparing for the edit are essential). The best video requires good audio so you need an external way to record it and then a good way to bring all that together. Don't know what kind of video you want to shoot but if it involves actors or someone being interviewed I highly recommend the Tentacle Sync products. Track E is an awesome Lavalier mic and 32 bit audio (kind of like having RAW audio -- you can make someone louder or quieter without any noise) recorder that uses time code. If you use Track Es for your talent and then a Sync E with a Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 4K importing and having all your video and audio footage synced is a dream because of time code which is standard in all professional film and tv productions for that reason.
@@ricseet4095 Good to hear Ric. Thanks
You are comparing the OM1 against the A1 and Z9? A 2100€ Camera against a 5500€ and 7000€ Camera? I agree that the upgrades could or should be better, but I think that would be better to compare the OM1 against other Cameras like the Z6ii, R6 or A7iv. I think that the people are very unfair with the OM exactly like they were with Olympus. OM doesn’t need more quality or more technology! They need more support from UA-camrs… and they need to change the public perception about their products. Because it seems that doesn’t matter how good their products are… for the UA-camrs they should be better. We are talking here about a 2199€ Camera with characteristics that no other Camera has.
Cameras have really gone in a „go big or go home“ territory which is unfortunate for micro four thirds. The GH6 will without a doubt compared to the A7S III the most even though it may be cheaper than even the A7 IV and completely blows it out of the water in terms of video specs.
They also need to stop focusing so much on wildlife photography and encourage other genres, especially in their visionary programs, if the want to get more pro users. Their cameras are perfect for photojournalism and documentary work, sports and most other genres. I shoot live music with my EM-1ii, and that is usually the preserve of full frame cameras, but I’ve found it works as well, if not better than my old Canon 6D, which is also 20mp.
also we are looking at a camera that has 12 bit raw, shitty dr, meh tracking, poor high iso performance and overpriced lens selection :)
@@chrispatmore8944 while I agree with you, if marketing wants something interesting and immediately desirable to demonstrate the improved strengths of this new camera, it makes sense that they’re going to do so through travel, wildlife, and experiential photography. Documentary and street-as interesting as they are for photographic purists and documentarians-won’t have the same immediate appeal, at least not at announcement time. Perhaps some of their visionaries have a specialty in documentary and street work, which will be showcased at a later point.
One thing wildlife photography does illustrate very well is the camera’s ability to focus accurately upon unpredictable subjects in environments that aren’t necessarily photography-friendly. So I get it that they are using this approach for marketing purposes.
@@sergeyzakharov7326 ah, you have already tested!! Ok…
I think OM Systems should concentrate on BETTER sensor photo sites rather than MORE sensor photo sites, which it seems they are already doing with a stacked BSI sensor in the OM-1. The number of sensor megapixels is a flawed metric of audience enjoyment and appreciation.
The new sensor is actually 80mp 😜 lowlight performance comes with pixel binning techniques, like at smartphones.
I agree, it reminds me of that GHZ war with computers back in the 90s/00, mostly a marketing stunt; no one obsesses with this now.
@@LeeHarris people into computer specs still obsess about GHz...
Hard disagree. Faster means better because then you could combine multiple frames, and also that reduces rolling shutter which directly impacts the final result.
The sensor in those cameras is already superior to FF sensors. You don't have 2 stop advantage, it is at best 0.3-0.6 stops at the same ISO. You get 1-1.5 stops benefit only with the base ISO vs base ISO, and that is like ISO 50 vs ISO 200 or ISO 100 vs ISO 200. And that is where the win is as you rarely get to use low iso in dim light, and when you can use low ISO it is in bright light where sensor benefit isn't really there. The equivalence hypothesis claims 2 stops difference. In reality it is 0.3-0.6 stops difference, and that is nothing at all.
Please emphasize Olympus use of cross type sensors unlike the full frame mfgs. Cross type can focus on vertical and horizontal lines.
100% agree, if they'll make a small enthusiast camera, with their great IBIS and automatic computational photograpy on every shot, they'll shake the market (if it works well of course)
Yeah, but they won't do it. First of all because they don't have the R&D budget and second because they killed the small enthusiast camera ethos many years ago.
They are trying to target the hipster/traveler/wildlife market share with their IBIS/Weather sealing/small equivalent lenses BS.
I agree with you
Exactly.
All good points. Fully support the computational photography opportunity in M43. A big attraction of the system is the compact format with lens interchangeability. At the end of the day, the only thing that comes between the subject and the sensor is the lens and this is where M43 can really add to its value proposition. OM (and Panasonic) offer excellent optics, all in compact forms that make getting out and about with a camera enjoyable. This too adds to the value, as it is also an axiom that the camera that is convenient to have with you is the one that you will use.
As an Olympus user:
I don't want more megapixels, 20mp is already plenty for general use and the handheld high res mode gives me more than I'd ever need for the landscapes I shoot. Lower storage requirements is more important to me
Yessss please work together with Panasonic more, I own some of their lenses that Olympus doesn't make. I'd love the ois and ibis to communicate and the aperture rings to work.
Please please please push computational photography. Make it automatic like a smartphone (with manual overrides). This is why I invested in m43, Olympus has a huge lead here. This is where they build their niche. Make the whole experience a bit more smartphone like too, better touch controls and easier to understand. Become the brand of hobbyists, adventures & wildlife shooters.
Also please fix the only thing I hate about my E-M1iii, at the very least put this in the om-1. LET THEM RECORD VIDEO TO BOTH CARDS. Why isn't this possible???
It's an 80mp sensor which produces 20mp images. The final image will have more bit depth than the previous 20mp sensor. 16mp was absolutely fine, 20mp is more than enough. I understand we gotta nit pick otherwise an excellent camera, but as an m4/3 shooter for the past 10 years. The megapixel is literally the least important feature to me. I would be fine even with 12mp. More megapixels wouldn't improve the image quality, it would only make the files more cumbersome and slower to process.
There is a sweet spot though. Something like 16 or 12 is way too low. I used the A7Sii for some stills at my previous company, it was just bad. My cheap Canon 200D was doing much better when it came to portraits vs the A7Sii. 20~24mp is a good sweet spot and I don't really see the need for more.
Agree
That’s exactly what I was expecting, super fast reading sensor to do “smartphone” stuff, but without over sharpening or unnatural hdr
Unnatural HDR and over sharpening is all that smartphones do.
The great thing about cameras is that they use physics for the most part.
Add the same functionality to something like the OM5III if they can. Any travel or adventure camera needs to be smaller if your traveling long distances in the mountains. OM5III getting close ( in lieu I often use my RX100 7 and GoPro) but the new OM1 looks like a great camera for road trips and local parks, currently my G9 works well here too. Very tempting, but will never be a perfect camera for all uses. Looking forward to seeing Panasonic’s GH6 next week; similar with better/ enhanced video options?
There are some really good and valid points here, and I agree with much of what’s said. However, I do feel that the request for more megapixels is… a bit overblown. Yes, I do get it. Some people do need higher resolution pictures, and also, more pixels = more ability to crop. But… all things considered, 20MP is ample for most users, especially considering everything else that this camera can do. Honestly, I think 20MP is a sweet spot that balances useful resolution against manageable file size. Much higher and the files start to be a pain to work with, with very few real benefits most of the time. Also, this new sensor delivers lower noise and better low-light performance in a system that was commonly criticised in those areas. Should OMDS really have upped the resolution and retained those negatives, as opposed to delivering better results at a resolution that’s ideal for most users? I do understand the desire for higher resolutions among DPReview types, but honestly, I think OMDS took the right decision here, even though it cost them Brownie points in terms of potential marketing and left them open to exactly the criticism we’re seeing. I personally don’t want much higher resolutions than 20MP as I have no use for them and they come with many disadvantages. The only way I could imagine being persuaded to backtrack on that view is if the camera had a REALLY high-res sensor (let’s say 80MP or 100MP) but downsampled every image to deliver a much lower resolution final picture (of, say, 20MP or so) with all the unwanted noise processed out. And if you absolutely needed the high-res raw original, you could get it from the buffer (but it’d probably be hideously noisy). So that’d be a bit like high-res shot mode in reverse… and some smartphones already do this kind of thing. I can see it as being a viable approach for future OMDS cameras, but for now… I like the decisions taken for the OM-1.
The most important point: we have two new MFT Cameras with NEW sensors to choose from! Personally I think that the OM1 is the better option! 20mp is the Sweetspot! I would love to see LUMIX and OM working together! A new Power Zoom lens would be GREAT! For 2200€ we have two FANTASTIC options to choose from! We are seeing a new beginning for M43! M43 is the future!
So, if OM will become a gadget (smart gadget) like was described at start of the clip, then for sure I will change the system. Because I choose the Olympus as tool for making photo, not as gadget making something/somehow beatiful images.
MFT give enough blur when I need. There are no need to compete with bigger sensor at this part.
Low light performing and quick precise autofocus with result of sharp images is more than enough for me.
Staying at 20 megapixels doesn't bother me at all. I just love that they switched over to the stacked sensor for faster readout and better high ISO performance.
Unfortunately for them, the GH6 is on the horizon, and it will probably have 24 megapixels along with those other things.
As far as shallow depth of field, there are affordable f1.7 and f1.8 primes for Micro Four Thirds. My Olympus 45mm f1.8 does a great job with this. The Sigma 56mm f1.4 is even better, and that's not too pricey. The quality of the bokeh is also quite nice.
I hear about problems with full-frame cameras focusing on eyelashes instead of pupils, but all I want is to have my subject in focus and the background out of focus, and that's very doable with inexpensive lenses for Micro Four Thirds. If you want even shallower, Olympus has a line of f1.2 primes. Do we really need anything shallower than that?
With regard to playing nicely with Panasonic, I completely agree. But we also need to include making DFD (flawed though it might be) work with OM lenses.
The Live ND feature would be perfect and even game-changing for video if they would just enable that. If the Sony FS5 could do electronic automatic ND years ago, why can't OM do it now?
I switched from canon 5d MK IV to GH5s & G9 and absolutely love the platform. My 5D mk iv had noise banding issues ( very common problem with canon sensors which are only highlighted once you try to raise exposure in post). Long story short the move to the M43 platform was the best change I ever made. I have since convinced several of my canon friends to switch over to Lumix / Olympus and they are absolutely loving it. The G9 is the most versatile camera I've ever owned. I've travelled with it through ultra humid tropical jungles (Fiji) and freezing cold of Mt Ruapehu (New Zealand) and so far it has not missed a beat. The canon will not perform as well in the cold or the extreme heat and it's video capabilities and dynamic range are laughable. My Sigma Fp has a phenomenally better sensor than the canon as evident from my astro shoots. The thing I like about my Lumix cameras is the fact that Panasonic put so much of improvements/new features with nearly every firmware upgrade whereas you can rest assured this is the lowest priority with canon. I will have have a loan of the OM-1 when it gets released here in New Zealand and put it through it's paces. I like the fact that the OM-1 has a 4-Stack BSI sensor which if should in theory translate to better dynamic range and better images. The one thing I do not agree with is the polethera of computational & AI technologies being implemented in cameras. It kinda kills the passion for really learning photography and developing the art of taking good photographs (in M mode.....) My 2c worth. Thank you OM System for breathing new life into the M43. One of the most amazing benefits of the M43 ecosystem is the fact that so many lenses can be adapted for use on this system.
Put a micro 4/3 sensor in a Tough Camera series body- it would need to be slightly larger of course, but I’d buy that.
20MP for m4/3, 30MP for APS-C and 45MP for full frame.
26 is good enough for APS-C if you don't need to do some crazy crops imo
Looking forward to a comparison with the E-M1X
Sony manufactures the image sensors. They control the evolution of image sensors for M43. Samsung could possibly for an alternative supplier, or maybe HiVision, but these would be non-Japanese suppliers. Panasonic and OM Systems have to work with the sensors they can get. In any case, what is the point of more megapixels? More megapixels means heavier calculations for your computational photography.
@@djstuc A good point. That would be similar to micro-processor design and fabrication. I was not aware that Olympus and Panasonic had such design capabilities. I think though that there is more interesting potential on the computational side than on the volume of megapixels. Also, in the end, perhaps most of us want pictures that communicate beauty rather than document distractions in the image.
@@djstuc Well, I am certainly learning more about this from you. Off and on, I have been trying to understand this for a while, but could not find the information. Thank you! If you have some sources for me, that would be great.
@@djstuc Thank you again. I have started to look and there is more to DPReview than I realized. Comments to some of the article, while not necessarily solid, also provide leads and insights.
I want the OM-1 because of it's great ibis. However, it's $2200 in the USA plus another $150 for a battery charger since it doesn't come with one. I can get the A7iv for just another $150 which is full frame. Plus the Zooms are more expensive on the OM-1 while I can get a Tamron 28-75mm 2.8 or 17-28mm for $800 each. The size difference is not that much. Only category OM-1 wins is IBIS.
Yep, agreed on all fronts. Especially insightful that if both Olympus and Panasonic were more open with each other, they'd both probably sell more lenses.
Personally, I'm shocked there hasn't been way more computational features. Having enjoyed Google's work here since the Pixel 2, I would often look at my phone and my Olympuses and wonder, what gives? Why are some shots just more convenient on the phone? I do hope they steer sharply in the computational direction, and truly differentiate from the competition. I wonder if opening up the hardware and cultivating a third party firmware scene would be viable? *shrug*
@DPReview TV What OM systems (and mft developers in general) need to work on low-light performance. Its among the most well known and troublesome setbacks for the platform, but it would be incredible if they could work on high-ISO cleanliness and nip that problem
Like you guys were saying, it is too bad how lens and sensor based IS between the two systems doesn't work. I haven't tried any M4/3rds yet in detail. Olympus is at least been making them a lot more appealing to me since the E-M1 Mark II era. "OM Digital Solutions"... you have my attention, haha.
As far as Megapixels the theoretical maximum for a 4/3 sensor using the 150-400mm f/4.5 at f/4.5 without diffraction would be a sensor of 7,452 x 5,589, or 41.6MP rounded off. This is with green light at 550nm and an acceptable diffraction of 2.5 pixels.
This calculation got me thinking. I posted some of this on Dpreview also. What if we average 450nm Blue light, 550nm Green light, and 650nm Red light calculations and come up with a maximum diffraction limited megapixel count for a 4/3 sensor system. Here are the numbers for different f-stops when averaging all 3 wavelengths on a 4/3 sensor system.
f/1.2 = 626.6MP
f/1.4 = 460.3MP
f/2.8 = 115.1MP
f/3.5 = 73.7MP
f/4.0 = 56.4MP
f/4.5 = 44.6MP
f/5.6 = 28.8MP
f/6.3 = 22.7MP
f/6.7 = 20.1MP
So, with the average of all three wavelengths we see that the consumer lens with the maximum f/6.7 aperture at the telephoto end maxes out at the current 20MP resolution currently utilized by Olympus. However, at the pro end there is quite a bit of room for a megapixel boost. What are your thoughts on this?
Thought about this some more. Lenses to resolve more megapixels on a 4/3 sensor is more problematic. Here are some examples of lenses with resolution in line pairs/millimeter, with the sharpest being the Olympus 17mm f/1.2 Pro.
Olympus 17mm f/1.2 Pro @2.8 98.6lp/mm is the sharpest = 37.8MP Resolved
Olympus 45mm f/1.2 Pro 96lp/mm = 35.8MP Resolved
Olympus 300mm f/4 Pro only 73lp/mm = 20.7MP Resolved (Bad Sample? Don't know)
Olympus 75mm f/1.8 82lp/mm = 26.1MP
So, we really need outstanding lenses to get to 35MP or so. Don't think we will see any improvement at 40MP and beyond without some kind of super lenses near 100lp/mm or higher. You would need a lens resolving 110lp/mm to resolve 47MP in a 4/3 sensor.
PanOly OMG-H (H for Heavenly). Olympus ergonomics + stills and Panasonic video capabilities & all lenses working cross platform.
MFT domination era
I bet they could possibly go up to 80 megapixels. This new Olympus chip has the quad bayer which each pixel is basically cut into 4 pixels. They probably could have made it 80 with no quad bayer. The noise would have been horrendous though. I’m quite happy with the previews of OM-1 I have seen. I’d rather have a high quality 20 megapixel shot. Than a really noisy 80 megapixel.
Actually, for most occasions, practically any photography which is not aimed to be printed much larger than letter size or DIN A4 (what is probably 99+ % of all photography) 16 MP on a MFT sensor is more than enough pixels. Olympus' approach to offer a 50 MP mode when you need it is quite an ingenious compromise. Or in other words: I don't need more than 20 MP.
A better collaboration between Olympus and Panasonic would be a really good thing. I think, both companies and of course all customers would profit from that massively.
Otherwise, not very many things you two advice OM Systems to improve on. That's good, isn't it?
More than 90% of my shooting is analog, btw, but Olympus is my brand of choice when I want to use a digital camera.
M43 has 20MP, but its pixel density is equal to full frame has 80MP, and Sony A7R4 just has 61MP. Maybe A7R5 still using 61MP cmos sensor , then A7R6 may upgrade to 80MP or more pixel to reach its pixel density equal to M43's 20MP or APSC's 36MP.
Did they do it now that the OM1 mark ii is launched?
A nice portable outdoor kit, with excellent ergonomics is more important than just megapixels for me. I don't use a tripod. I would like to see photographs from a production camera. I don't make large prints, but I do view my photos on a 32" BenQ monitor. As for video, I don't give a rat's ass (sorry Jordan). I would like to see what the GH6 is about, but being a hybrid, with what appears to be a lean towards video, I so do not see myself getting as excited, but I will see.
Hope you read this Chris and Jordan -
Having interviewed the Panasonic camera division marketing manager the reason there is no compatibility with respect to in lens stabilization is that it was not written into the original MFT specification. Once Panasonic developed their internal specification it would have been a violation of the Sherman Anti Trust act to just copy it into the specification. Now the only way it can get incorporated is if the non Panasonic and Olympus members of the MFT association write a specification which does not favor either manufacturer but may be compatible with both existing.
OM systems next camera, which they should do soon, is use Sony's existing 45mp MFT sensor in the OM-1 body yielding a OM-1R. Perfect sensor for animal and portrait photography. Since the OM-1 body is too small to dissipate heat , lacks the processing power and battery and space for the required CF Express sockets it should be limited to 4K60. Maybe a OM-1X which does 8K30 with thst sensor (OM-1H?).
So, they share the mount and nothing more. We know. And that is a disaster for the users.
I would love to see them make a 250mm f/2.8 Pro with a built-in 1.4x teleconverter for about $4,000. All the people shooting the 150-400 f/4.5 would want to add it to their collection for low light and everyone with a 300mm f/4 would want to upgrade to it to get more reach with the teleconverter engaged and an extra stop of light without it, and it probably wouldn't be much larger or heavier than the 300mm f/4, so I think that would be an extremely popular lens.
Now that they've become competitive in terms of autofocus, perhaps that could be followed with a 400mm f/2.8 and 300mm f/2 that could be much smaller than their cumbersome full frame counterparts while giving the same depth of field and potentially better low light performance.
The 100mm f/2.8 2x macro lens will be revolutionary as well, since that will effectively be a 200mm 4x macro lens considering the crop factor, yet it will probably be considerably smaller than Nikon's 200mm macro. Perhaps they could continue to capitalize on their small sensor for macro work by adding a 14mm f/2 macro or a 12-25mm macro zoom lens.
A sharp 200mm f/4 prime lens with a modest price tag that is compatible with teleconverters could be an excellent compliment to any combination of their f/4 zoom lenses and would be perfect for soccer moms and dads, but also useful for professional wildlife photographers who need the lightest possible setup for really strenuous hikes in remote areas.
A 100mm f/1.4 prime that could be used with teleconverters would be great for weddings, events, and sports, especially indoor sports, and would give full frame bokeh without the size and weight of a 70-200mm f/2.8.
If OM System was to do those things, I think they could become very competitive and profitable.
You mind sharing the different mics used to record this? The sound was noticeably different between you too. I much prefer the sound that Chris' mic produced.
I have been using the Olympus camera along with my Nikon full frame and APSC camera since 2016 (Nikon since 1974) and own three including the fairly new Mark III. My thoughts are better lower and upper end ISO low noise performance, depth of field, at least 2 stops of dynamic range and a 30mp stacked sensor. I think their price points are good but that their marketing sucks and they need to improve. When someone ask me what camera to buy for hiking and outdoors stuff, the EM 10 comes to mind. They could improve all the lower end models weather sealing.
Isn’t it more like their marketing “sucked”-past tense? Seems in the months leading up to this camera, and since it’s announcement their marketing has been 2-3x what Olympus was doing with their cameras. Olympus was never this on-fire about new releases. But the new company seems to better understand not only the need for better hardware, but also the impact that education and social media can have on the effort to build awareness and let people know why this is a desirable camera. They’ll continue to improve. But so far it’s a good start.
@@ulysses01 I will agree with that. But they have some great cameras and great prices that young and old who want a highly capable camera. I think they need to build upward. The EM 10 is just a great intro camera and can do so much but is unknown to most people.
Would be nice if modes like hdr gives you a RAW file like apples pro raw. Like the high res mode on my g9, but for HDR or multi frame noise reduction too. Would make life a lot easier, especially when using Lightroom mobile on the go, where you can’t simply stack pictures. While at it, apps across the board should be updated to support raw file and high res video transfer if they don’t already. Hate that I’m screwed when I forget my SD card reader.
If the OM-1 is capable of reading out all 80M photodiodes on the sensor at once, then since each pixel is basically an AF sensor, it would have full resolution focus data, which could in theory be used for almost perfect fake bokeh, since the camera knows to exactly what degree each pixel is defocused and could proportionally blur that exact part of the image.
It is a shame that micro 4/3 is not a true standard. That was suppose to be the big game changer for this system. Then they just became like al the other camera makers. Small incremental updates, but then cripple other stuff. I wold buy the OM-1, but there is just enough improvement for the bird photography I do as a hobby to justify buying the camera. Some will argue that their is enough and that is fine if you happy with it. I am not, will keep using my E-M1x. Will keep saving my money and see what comes out nest year. Hopefully Canon is working hard on releasing a mirrorless version of the 7D Mk II camera and hopefully they don't do stupid mistakes.
Also, the om-1 doesn’t have GPS?
a dancing fire in the fire place would be wonderful
We don’t need more megapixels 4k is 8.3 megapixels I think a 8 to 10 megapixel sensor with excellent low light sensitivity would sell well.
They basically need to do what smartphones do - when you press the shutter, you get like 10 photos, taken ultrafast and stacked together. If a camera can do it, with its bigger sensor, higher quality, actual optics and immensely better grips - voila!
GH6 is rumored to be 25MP
Maybe OM can work with Samsung or Apple for some of that Ai goodness
This OM-1 is a great camera, but if i buy it, im going to think to myself that is the last olympus camera! So sad, like that new name they pick!
The more features the higher the price...and then reviewers will complain about price compared to full frame. So, maybe they're taking a slow approach with camera improvements just like smartphones do with their features.
I'm curious. Have you guys ever done this before? Gave a good initial review only yo follow it up talking about where the manufacturer failed and what THEY need to do? Did you do one saying the Canon R6 is only 20mp and they don't have any real features their DSLR's lines don't have? Have you done a follow up telling Sony their weather sealing sucks and how many people's Sony A7 III's have fried in damp drizzly environments and how they still have not improved it on their below $3000 bodies? This video just seems....... strange to me. Why does m 4/3 struggle? Videos people like Tony the douche ( FF is or it sucks) Northrup, or that clueless Fro ( gotta read my notes) don't know photo, and now it's almost like you guys might slip into that camp. As a long time 4/3 shooter, this camera checks off all the boxes I needed to stick with Olympus. All I wanted was a nice solid upgrade from my EM1 mark III. I feel if a company puts something in a camera it better do what it's meant to do. But at the same time. A lot of this tech did not exist just a few years back and yet somehow everyone survived. Now everyone has become that spoiled rotten little girl from Willie Wonka ( But I want a bettuh camera nowwwwwwwwww" " It MUst have this this that and this and oh yes must have this too" Waahhhhhh This is a huge step up from their last body. Like everyone else, some tech is withheld for future bodies. Shit Canon, Nikon and Sony seem to replace their bodies yearly to keep the full frame sheep running to feed.
Oh God, mega-pixels, more mega-pixels .... Is that what photography is all about? Seriously, even the high end Nikon and Canon FF cameras are 20 MP only. My Nikon D750 is only 24MP, and that is more than enough for my needs, even with heavy cropping. DPR needs to focus more on photography and imagery, not tech stuff.
Interesting to hear your point of view. Whilst I agree with some of your suggestions, I do have to disagree on others.
Most Olympus/OM System users see this as a big leap forward, much bigger than the progress from the E-M1 Mark II to III.
Fake digital bokeh, you say? No thanks. There's a big difference between using the camera's computational abilities to achieve shots within the laws of physics and adding fake digital effects. The whole shallow depth of field not being achievable in MFT is a myth. Furthermore, a lot of photography requires more DoF not less. Besides, a completely blurred out background is a look that became a cliché in the last decade and it being rejected by progressive photographers. Smartphone panoramas are less likely to succeed than what is achievable in specialist software on computers with more processing power. I prefer stitching images in post-processing.
Also, High Res mode is quickly accessible through the super control panel or the drive mode button on top of the camera; you don't have to delve into the menus to find it as you suggest. Moreover, it is possible to have one of the custom modes set to any combination of settings, so switching from bird in flight photography to a high definition landscape just requires turning a dial a notch.
I agree that closer working with Panasonic would help the user, but the lenses are far more interchangeable than say Nikon, Sony and Canon. Would you propose that they all use the same mount? Wouldn't that be great?
Personally, I am glad that it is a 20 MP sensor. It's all I need. After all you only require around 8 MP to print A3 size at photo quality. Additionally, the file size of bigger sensors is ridiculous, and I don't want that. The huge increase in dynamic range and the superior noise reduction in camera is a real boon.
Thanks for the interesting video.
As someone who photographs birds on the E-M1 Mark II, I would appreciate some extra resolution for cropping.
Agree 100%, thanks IvorR.
HHHR: Just, by default, hit the REC button!
I don't think the reason to go more megapixels because it's been too long is not a legitimate reason. 20MP does have advantages (smaller file size which translates to less storage requirements and faster editing). I understand the benefits of high resolutions but 20MP prints very well even at large sizes.
Please keep cameras as cameras and phones as phones...this idea that our phone is going to be the everything and the end all, is a sad statement. the idea of fake bokeh is alarming! I think OM did a great job with their new camera.
This video seemed a little bizarre to me. The OM 1 majorly improves just about every issue that was mentioned in the EM1 iii review and yet with Olympus/OMD it's not revolutionary enough. Do you want it to sprout rotors and turn into a drone. What about waterproof to 100 meters. Maybe it should not just mimic a cell phone camera but it should also allow you to take calls or surf the internet on the rear screen. I'm sure that there's room for improvement and that they are looking into computational opportunities but myself I am pretty impressed at their first effort.
Honestly, they haven’t even start selling the camera yet. Let us compare it to Z9, a1, R3. Hey wait a second are these cameras approx 2.5 times more expensive. It’s a question of price as well. Say the made an OM-fatanstic that can do what those three could combined. Price tag = unsellable. The only reasonable that came out of this video: Please Panasonic and OMDS. Work together that was the reason why you did silly named Micro Four Thirds standard in the first place (at least I think it was). Is this a kids in the candy store kinda video? Guys you are normally way better than this.
I will buy the OM-1 the sevond it bevomes available. But if the pricetag was 25% higher I would not.
You could compare it to the A9 which can be easily found for $2000. The A9 has a much much better AF system.
Yeah this needs to be around $1599 and go on sale during holidays for $1499.. this is an impressive camera and live that they finally updated the view finder.. but still this isn't ground breaking specs.. More like just getting it closer to what's out there already selling..
Yep And Sony lenses are super inexpensive, or…
I’d like to see OM partner with Blackmagic for a pocket cinema camera with OM’s stabilization and focus tech. Blackmagic’s BRAW tech and video-focused features.
I'd be a buyer
Agree about computational photography--it should engage by default in IA mode or make a CP mode on the dial. No one is making the basic camcorder really, so a power zoom is an interesting idea, not sure if anyone is interested. The lens issue where certain features don't work on other cameras is totally ridiculous.
Also, if you can have 4K on a 2/3" sensor you can have 8K on a 4/3 sensor. Even if you don't use it you can downsample the 4K.
In reality there is almost zero need even for 4K.
To be honest i expected much less from OM.They did good job this time :) M43 can be perfect for travel photography due to it's size and weight. With AI eye detection, great AF and IP53 sealing we can go anywhere, anytime. One thing troubles me - we have OM-1 and GH6 just around the corner, but what about smaller, less advanced and cheaper models ? :)
Dear Dpreview,
While the comments are valid(and i do agree with some), I disagree completely with the approach.
First and foremost its a 2199,- camera and not 5999,- like the Z9. That is totally unfair as for a comparison. Why not using something like the very popular Z6 II?
And why is there not appreciation for what they have archived with the OM1? Compared to the EM1 MKIII or X this OM-1 is years ahead… this seems a complete biased unfair commenting, one might say even bashing of the OM-1. This will not help the camera sales at all.
You simply fail to understand that DP Review is comparing the OM-1 to the GH6 in a subtle way in this video. Like a warning before the GH6 review hits us on feb 22. The GH6 has a 25 MP sensor and equal or better specs.
@@GrenlandUnderVann No, I used GH4 and GH5 and the GH6 isn’t of interest of all. I mean it uses a Fan! That is a Nono for outdoor adventure travel hybrid camera. Panasonic really didn’t help themselves with the GH6. It is simply no hybrid anymore but just a S1H with a m4/3 sized sensor. For Video Shooter it is a Great one - no doubt, but for the Hybrid Users… not anymore. The 25MP Sensor might be good to great, but the package isn’t, unlike the OM1 which is all about the overall complete package to go anywhere. And don’t get me started on DFD… in CAF Tracking it has been awefull compared to an EM1 MKII or better. No Phase AF is a big miss for Pana
@@timafken2297 The fan is outside the waterproof enclosure just as on the Panasonic S1H. Fan is likely only needed to run on the higher bitrate codecs and high frame rates. I'll reserve my judgement of the AF until after I have seen the reviews. As for the hybrid use you might have a valid point, then again Panasonics own statement is: "The Panasonic LUMIX GH6 is designed to meet and exceed the needs of content creators."
Internet has to stop asking for more MP each time a new camera is launched. MP are not the solution.
couldn't disagree more on resolution....love my Olympus and have preordered OM-1....But just like everything else, just my opinion and the wonderful thing about photography now a days - there literally is a system for everyone and in every price range..
I'll choose lower noise over more megapixels every time. If there is a technology that can provide more mp it's fine, but it's absolutely not necessary, some great cameras are 20mp like Canon 1DX III, Canon 6D, Nikon D500 and no one complained about this. Also I have never had complains from clients that the resolution is not enough.
For the communication about Olympus and Panasonic I completely agree, but I think probably there are some patents and propriety algorithms that both of them are trying to protect. With that said how is the situation with the Sigma / Tamron lenses with IS for other systems, are they working together?
Well in terms of noise reduction, AI tools like TopazLabs Denoise AI and DXO Deep Prime AI are making many of the older lower sensor cameras feel like new. Give it a try. You can shoot up to 6400 - 8000 ISO with MF3 and get super clean files. You do lose color fidelity, detail and dynamic range at high ISO compared to base ISO, but that is the case for all camera unless they feature dual native ISO mode. But compared to previous methods, this new AI technology for cleaning noise is giving new life to older cameras or small sensor cameras. So I think some of the demand can be offloaded to post production. I would therefore prefer the companies do things we can't in post production. Features in the camera, ergonomics, battery life etc.
Proprietary Algorithms are pointless versus the opportunity to learn and grow the system. Panasonic/ OM should collaborate for the greater good of µ4/3, and maybe include Sigma/ Tokina/ Tamron too...
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@@superzero4250 agree, but it's not happening what we always want :)
@@KrunoslavStifter yeah, color fidelity is a problem at high ISO, not so much the noise, it's not very bad, the structure is ok, lower DR and color fidelity are worse, but in any case all denoise tools are not suitable for big batches of images.
This is exactly why I went FF. Sick of all the unavoidable lowlight noise.
Couldn't disagree more on the resolution issue. The biggest limitation for me when I think about smaller sensors are low light sensitivity, noise performance and dynamic range. 20 mpx is plenty for MFT. I'd much rather they keep it around that and focus on the stuff that matters, not cram more pixels into that small sensor to the detriment of the stuff that matters.
This sensor was designed to do *exactly* these things. If you haven't tried MFT yet, renting an OM-1 with some fully-compatible Oly glass could prove kinda' spectacular.
@@willhouse Never tried Olympus, but I did have a Lumix GX80 years ago. I thought that even 16 mpx was kinda enough for this type of camera as well. Especially seeing that the OM-1 has the sensor shift high res mode if you want to use it for landscapes or architecture, I don't think I'd ever want for more. I'd be interested to see how it performs in low light, specifically if it was comparable to my full frame DSLR.
@@henrikjohansson6629 The Olympus/Lumix in-body-plus-lens stabilization is nothing short of incredible. My GX8 only has Dual-IS1, & it still awes me whenever I use the 100-400mm zoom. I can only presume that hi-res mode would be similarly impressive...
Seriously hoping that there will be a beefy GX10 or PEN-Fii camera body coming soon so I can get the latest functionality plus some great style.
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I was just about to write the same thing.
Exactly the big problem are resolution and noise but 20 mpx are good for a lot of print but the noise is a serious problem. This Om1 promises 2 stop but from raw i see only 1 stop difference with old m4/3 sensors
20 megapixels is more than enough, stop crying. If someone wants more pixels, buy full frame camera.
we want results and real world review not just analysis of the numbers.
lots of cameras who give speed stop at 20 mp for full farms. surly 20 is more than enough for the tiny one.
You speak as if DPR haven't done hundreds of real world reviews already.
i am still waiting for the extensive review for the om1.
What you guys said makes sense but, for me, the new OM-1 is as technically capable a camera as I would ever need. I'm not a pro. Remember the PROs using 5mp cameras a short while ago? Any improvements OM System makes going forwards will only be icing on the cake for me. 4k 120p? Cool but gigantic file sizes. More megapixels? At what cost? Lower light sensitivity? Slower processing? who knows.
Interesting, when Fool Framers review cameras like this new OM-1, they concentrate on what the camera can’t do. Almost nothing about the good things. What other camera in this price range can shoot photos at 120 fps or 50 fps with CAF? What other camera have Live ND, Live composite. What camera has better face and eye detect? This new cameras have features that other brand’s cameras don’t have even if they are three times as expensive. If the sensor isn’t good enough, blame Sony for making shitty sensors.
I think OM-1 is at the right spot of resolution. Cris is full of sh.. saying you want of more resolution. There is option for big resolution photo, but not all photos has to be big resolution, and olympus being realistic making right size of sensore not what influencers / youtube reviewers requires.
Seems every brands hooked on pixel sensor wars but olympus is more down to the earth and making realistic sensor. I think tis camera has huge perspective and i can see olympus focusing on developing cameras that can shoot without tripod what is exelent idea :) keep up olympus, stay being awaken :)
Any comment on the claims for the sensor in regards to 2 stops improvement in noise and 1 stop improvement in dynamic range? If those are true, do we need an increase in MP? OMDS (Olympus) always has been in the forefront for firmware updates of their camera features in substantial ways. Have you tried their noise reduction software in their image software? I definitely agree with making their lenses more compatible with one another since I own a GX-8 and the 12-100. They already are a beautiful pairing which would be even better with syncing of the IBIS systems.
I may be in the minority, but I am impressed with the OM-1 specs. The question for me is, does it have Auto ISO in manual mode with exposure compensation for both stills and video. The lack of that is the main reason I left m43 in the past.
I have an em1ii and it works there already...
@@moirio E-M1.2 does not have auto ISO in video manual mode.
using now R6/5DSR and EM1X when i got to nature/street/all-around EM1X with me 90% of the time. its more usable vs any other camera I used.
Watch the review from the guy in London. Incredible images from a handheld miracle. Of course he had to leave his computer and go outside.
The Gh6 is supposed to be 24MP, that's what the leaks are saying.
But it's in a heavily videocentric camera with a cooling fan and DFD trash tech.
I'll take the 20MP of the OM1 then.
25 actually :P
Mirrorless cameras have no need to follow the SLR form factor. I'd love to see the design of these new camera bodies start looking like they're informed by the ergonomics of actual hybrid photo/video usage rather than what long-time hobby photographers expect.
Case in point: fixed, center-mounted EVF's! After 6+ years of using my Lumix GX8, I'm *totally* sold on the articulated viewfinder. Fuji's medium-format version looks downright heavenly.
These 2 needs to learn from Chris Eyre Walker, actually spend time out there for weeks and test the OM-1 not just a day or two. People have different needs, choices. Some like FF, some APS-C, some m43. I choose M43 for travel photography, just like I choose Coke vs Pepsi. Some prefer blondes over brunettes, same as camera systems. OM-1 doesn't have to have FF specs, honestly I don't need it. So, stop comparing apples to oranges!
think about the promotion schedule! olympus need to send hundreds of cameras to influencers of each language and platform around the world. this needs to be coordinated for a month before release, with a camera at each 'reviewer' for 3 days, and postage for 4 days minimum. assuming no parts are lost between reviewers, they need some time to prepare, well after signing the NDA. Then what do you do with all these secondhand cameras? olympus endorsees get more time and/or get to keep the product if they are good team players, or buy at cost.
What is the purpose of more resolution and isn’t it a common knowledge that diffraction in M4/3 is the limiting factor in how many pixels a small format system can have ? 16 Megapixels is already quite a stretch and equivalent of 64 Mpixels in full frame sensor pixel pitch wise. Therefore 20 Mpixels is equivalent of 80 Mpixels in that regard. That’s a lot of optical resolution to ask from a lens.
Yeah I like 20 Megapixels but do not want any more than that. File sizes are already pretty large and lower noise is ALWAYS a good thing.
It’s so frustrating you guys not getting resolution properly. At this sensor size any meaningful increase in resolution would be a decrease in IQ at the magnifications used by most MFT users. As high res sensors get better 20MP is also always going to be better at capturing cleaner images with more DR. Yes when you have a high res full frame sensor you’ll see about the same amount of noise at normal magnifications as you’d do with a lower res sensor. But why throw away the highs DR and color fidelity when you don’t need to print large or crop much? Please both of you just watch Part Two of Steve Yedlin’s Resolution Demo again.
Lol mYbe everytime they take pics they print 20x30!
I posted my comment and just came across yours. I fully agree with your comments. To me DR, noise performance and Color fidelity are important.
OM1 is using a 80MP sensor configured to 20MP and hopefully further improve the IQ.
Valid points. I think the OM-1 still has some Potential left for firmware upgrades. But it is a step in the right direction.
I agree with you. I bought Sony A9 when it was first launch. It’s new technology for Sony. Took them from FW 1.0 to 6.0 to get the AF for birding to perform right. Despite their resources this took many years. I am sure we will get to enjoy the FW upgrades of OM1. Just have to be patience.
Forget about the MP!!!!!!!!
Low light performance get's much worse with higher resolution and that's the weak point of M43. Perfect decision against the mainstream MP hype!
The main reason so many people perceive megapixel count as being important is because reviewers never stop banging on about it. Change the record already.
totally agree. I don't see the OM-1 camera somewhere near "wow". Too much wording, too much wrapping, not enough content. Exactly what you said, just for psychological reasons a tiny bit more resolution would have been nice. Lets see if the leaked 25MP sensor of the Panasonic will be true - sounds like a good step to me. On the GH6 the super-weak spot WILL HAVE TO BE AUTOFOCUS. Even if the GH6 will turn out to be the REAL wow camera - unreliable AF will ruin the whole show. Regardless the speed, megapixels, video options, ProRES codec, you name it. If the AF f***s up, the system f***s up. Simple as that.
OM1 already beat the GH6, due to a single reason, DFD. I don’t care how many firmware updates Panny does, DFD is inferior to Phase AF. Period.
It depends on what you want. DFD honestly isn't as bad as people make it out to be. In videos it is worse, but for stills it's just as capable and a hell of a lot faster in low light and Single point AF.
DFD has to go scanning through the entire focal length of a lens, it's a speed and error trap. No idea who ever imagined that would be a good idea.
hmmmmmmmmm Have they been got to.......... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ by the Canon Sony big corp guys makes you wonder.....????????????? Tony and Chelsea territory this one (just waiting for their video knocking the om-1)
Look I just want a reliable compact camera (dont give a crap about video) It needs to be portable.... tick it needs to be rugged, weather proof have great ibis great lenses .....tick tick tick tick it needs to have good focus ....tick.......
the best camera is the one you have with you and that for me is olympus.... cant tell you the number of shots id have lost if i hadn't brought my olympus on an impulse .I can go anywhere with an f4 300mm without looking like a crank(cant see me doing that with a ff 600mmf4!!!)
ps FF guys why dont you go medium format ????????
On my EM-X I can push one button, then the shutter the camera will record a 50meg high res shot press a button and go back to my previous mode and continue to shoot
As a late adopter of MFT I completely agree that OMDS and Panasonic need to work together more. What does and doesn't work between the two is a bit confusing for someone new to the system.
Also as an early adopter deviating from the standard degrades the value of m43. And especially in the declining market working together would be even more important now.
Lens interoperability was the only thing that attracted me to the m4/3 system in the first place and the failure to follow up was what made me abandon it for Fuji.
@@ErebosGR The missed opportunity to have a certification body which tested each and every camera and lens for 100 per cent x-compatibility.
I expect to see a lot of these asks in the GH6, currently the AF is the big question 🙋♂️ people are going to want to know (actually it’s the ONLY question at this point after all the leaks).
It's a pitty they can't get phase focus sensors from Sony.
I’m happy with 20mp but maybe I’m a weirdo. Larger files are a pain.
In terms of high resolution, the problem they have is that the 20MP M43 sensor is very pixel dense already. It’s equivalent to an 80MP full frame sensor.
Maybe they could have a high resolution sensor that does pixel binning by default and then use the full resolution when you need it. Although I think the new quad Bayer sensor works a little like that anyway.
I think expanding the circumstances where you can get 20mp, clean low ISO images is the way to go, and we already see this with the night mode on the OM1
Does it blow your mind if I tell you, that tbe 20mp sensor is actually a 80mp sensor with Quad Bayer filter layout? Explains why readout is twice of what the 40mp A1 does 😜
@@weizenobstmusli8232 yeah I thought so, but not sure about the technicality of it. If true, maybe they should market it as a 80MP sensor. I mean Samsung do that by marketing their cameras as 50 or 100 MP even though they pixel bin it down to like 12MP
@@mehulshewakramani8218 Exactly. But it's too late now. They've built themselves a trap
I chose the Olympus because I wanted a dedicated macro rig, and it has the highest pixel density of any camera I could afford (there are a few 80-100MP cameras in the $6000 range)
Correction. The OM-1 is the second OM camera, not the first. The first is the PEN E-P7. Sure it is not sold in North America but it is still available. I know because I have one that I bought from a dealer in Hong Kong. It has English menus and NTSC video, so no compatibility problems.
Agree that if it is to attract newcomers and carry the legacy owners forward, it should have more magic. However disagree with the 20 Megapickles is not enough. Improvements in technical image quality - dynamic range, noise even better achieved focus are much more value than pushing 20 to 24. Pushing it to 40 is just silly for many reasons. There's lots of third party computational photography - Adobe Enhance features, Topaz Gigapixel AI if you really need to print large prints
I love dp reviews, however, I just feel that m4/3 suffers because of this kind of content getting rammed down our ears by everyone on UA-cam; the whole “can micro 4/3 compete” content. The truth is, it’s a great system that works really well for most people who try it. It doesn’t need to constantly be compared to full frame. Quit beating a dead horse and please just let all the systems co-exist. There are so many times I see a photo and can’t differentiate what system (phone through full frame) it was shot on. If micro 4/3 ever dies, it’s because the internet willed it to happen. Too many UA-camrs have the stupid “Micro 4/3” is dead” title. It’s just so dumb. I’m gonna be plenty mad when the collective camera community finally kills off micro 4/3 and I have to buy a bunch of new gear just so UA-camrs can get views off of content that kills a platform people love.
Wow Dan, I could not agree with you more and have said as much many time. A fellow professional photographer I know who is a Canon FF user referred me to a video by You Tuber, J Christina, a Canon user who went on about how the OM-1 was overpriced and was probably the 'nail in the coffin' for at least the Olympus/Om Digital Systems m4/3's line. All of this was pronounced with a show of sadness for the poor owners and fans of m4/3's, and all of it was before the OM-1 was officially announce, nor was an official price announced. He somehow managed to compute a theoretical initial price of $2,600 -- which of course is $400 over what the actual price is. I am fed up with all these negative numb nuts. By the way, my friend who is a Certified PPA Master Photographer is planning to replace his Canon 6D with an Olympus E-M1X -- because he's been so impressed with the performance and output of mine. :-)
@@gregm6894 Yes! It’s all just getting soooo obnoxious. It’s just UA-camrs speculating stuff and creating content based off these speculations to get views. I’m over it. Today, I went to a shoot at a brewery and brought my em1 m3, however, I brought my canon rp along because of insecurities. This all stems from being fed these UA-cam videos that claim micro 4/3 isn’t enough. People view these videos and make purchasing decisions from them. The problem is, all of these videos have a negative connotation baked into them about micro 4/3 and it’s apparent need to play catch up all of the time. This only hurts micro 4/3 reputation and sales. Everyone just needs to chill and keep their full frames if they like them and stop harping on micro 4/3 playing catch up to full frame.
Spot on . its like many are still trying to convince every one that the J.A.B.S. are the only way even though they don't work , poor souls .
@@minorrhoads5318 I've never heard of a J.A.B.S camera.
@@danprocaccio ha ha very good , its amazing how we hear things , cheers , it was a parable . take care .
- Still can't complain about resolution. Optional 80 MP shots are enough to me.
- Better cooperation with Panasonic would be a win for MFT
Again, your audio has some weird background noise. At least Jordan's mic.
Do you guys live near high voltage power cables?
More pixel? No thanks. Pana lenses? Don’t care. Fancy video features? Don’t care. Give me: Better stabilization, faster and more accurate autofocus, longer battery life, faster processor, better menu, better screen and viewfinder, usable size and weight and high quality lenses, and a price that is not insane. If I could ask for more I would suggest a trade in/ upgrade program and the pen-f color wheel feature.
Why not 2 billion megapixel sensors??? Come on , so your argument is MP should continually be increased? Ridiculous and stupid to keep going there. Did people in the 35 mm film days keep increasing the size of the film? I have a 16mp Fuji and 16mp MFT Olympus and Panasonic along with a 20mp 1 inch sensor Canon and Lumix. They are all pretty much indistinguishable on my computer screen and especially when printed. Not one of my friends has ever been able to guess the sensor size or megapixels from a single print when laid side by side. I think OM has went in the right direction however you are mirroring the foolish thoughts of those who are never satisfied with what they have and those just starting in photography will surely follow people like you who push for more and more megapixels. I still have my first Olympus EPL1 and a Fuxi X30 12mp and a Canon T2I 16mp and Olympus EM5 16mp. They have all traveled around th world at different times and all still work flawlessly. That is what I appreciate. The fact that they last and last. I have had a Sony A series corrupt and a Coolpix that died but for the most part I am in 2022 most concerned with build quality and we all have cameras that we take everywhere and those that we baby. I enjoy video also and that's why I especially love my Olympus cameras. Most of my cameras are high mileage and I think this new OM will find its way into my camera bag. Thanks for all the awesome reviews over the years even though I have to disagree when it comes to pixel wars. Thanks again guys.
Love M43! Panasonic and OM please play nice
I wish you guys would just drop the obsession with megapixels. When I was a Nikon user I upgraded from a D7100 (24 MP) to a D500 (21 MP), and didn't look back. The latter was a far superior camera despite the lower resolution sensor. Yes, the MFT manufacturers could play the numbers game for marketing purposes, but that's all it would be. Perhaps MFT does have a barrier to going higher in the pixel count due to pixel size and sensitivity issues. 'Ye cannae break the laws 'o physics captain'. I congratulate OM Systems for not heeding the siren voices and sticking to their guns on this. By the way, your original review of the OM-1 was brilliant, and helped me decide to pre-order mine.
Yes, if they could get the sensor to be fast enough to do hand held high resolution with moving subjects it would be incredible. This would also be better than increasing the native resolution of the sensor since you would not be hitting a new diffraction limit. Honestly, I was expecting them to have a sensor readout of at least 1/500 since the full frame sensors are hitting around 1/250 readout speed. Love your thoughts on what they can improve!! Keep it up!
Yes, agree, that would be quite important. High res mode in M1III takes almost 1sec from taking first frame to last frame ... even at fastest shutter speed of 1/8000. And that is often too long even in landscape when even only a slight wind is moving leaves and bushes. So therefore the high res mode is not suitable as often as I wish it would be. And the new M1 seems to be doubling speed, but what we need is about 10x speed.
The Olympus ibis is one of the reasons choose this system because it means I don't have to carry a tripod, well that and the weather sealing
With the lower IQ m43 sensor the best way to compete against FF is simple: value.
Lesser IQ = considerably lower price.
Wow, Jordan's audio humming, both hissing. How are the mic preamps on the OM-1 ?
Why do you guys complain about the resolution? The EOS R6 sells like hot cakes despite having 20.1 MP and it’s full-frame, where higher resolution would be much more reasonable than on Micro Four Thirds.
Rather than going for more megapixels, I would prefer if they can give better low light performance, less noise at high ISO (at least comparable to older generation APS-C size sensors e.g. Nikon D500), better autofocus and tracking. This is especially true when paired with their 300 F4, 150-400 f4.5 lens or 100-400 lens for sports and wildlife. These are slow aperture lenses and desperately need better low light sensors. For landscapes a high res mode with 50mp is more than enough.