The Pocket Xeroxes of 1986

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  • I watched a Charlie Sheen movie and accidentally rediscovered a three-year saga of failed products that I think nobody other than me is aware ever existed. Watch the whole video before you go to eBay, trust me.
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  • @JessHull
    @JessHull 3 роки тому +337

    You using those tiny copiers at the end reminded me of infomercials where they're trying to show how difficult it is to do something without the product they're selling, lol.

    • @zeframm
      @zeframm 3 роки тому +29

      Needs to be in black and white.

    • @seanc.5310
      @seanc.5310 3 роки тому +24

      But wait there's more!
      *Get a second FREE hand copier!!!*
      (Just pay separate $39.95 shipping and processing fee)

    • @crytocc
      @crytocc 3 роки тому +5

      This was exactly my thought!

    • @ZXRulezzz
      @ZXRulezzz 3 роки тому +17

      *THERE'S GOTTA BE AN EASIER WAY!!1*

    • @GMCLabs
      @GMCLabs 3 роки тому +23

      Those are funny, esp when its someone using a knife and it looks like they never used a knife before in their life. Like how do I slice this tomato? Do I use the side of the knife, the handle maybe, I just can't figure this thing out. lol

  • @LonSeidman
    @LonSeidman 3 роки тому +265

    One of the things I miss about the 80's were all of the crazy gadgets. Now we just get apps with ads.

    • @pleasedontwatchthese9593
      @pleasedontwatchthese9593 3 роки тому +8

      This is true, phones have replaces most of these single use devices.

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 3 роки тому +11

      Indeed. As a kid in the late 80s, I bought a cassette-based answering machine for school lockers. It came with special whistles to give your friends, who would stand in front of the closed locker and blow the whistle to start recording.
      (A rather aspirational purchase, since at the time I had neither a locker nor any friends!)

    • @LonSeidman
      @LonSeidman 3 роки тому +1

      ​@@tookitogo Was that one of those World of Wonders products?

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 3 роки тому +1

      @@LonSeidman I honestly don’t know! I found it at a toy store at an outlet mall in South Carolina when we were stuck there a few days during a blizzard over Christmas. I think mom let me buy that crap out of pity! 🤣

    • @Owyn_Merrilin
      @Owyn_Merrilin 2 роки тому

      @@JC-11111 There's a youtuber who's been restoring and preserving those in a way that's as close to the intended experience as possible. Here's an educational filmstrip he found using Scooby Doo characters: ua-cam.com/video/6s6pVU6gzU4/v-deo.html

  • @stinchjack
    @stinchjack 3 роки тому +401

    "when I say I got two, I mean I got six" lol

    • @ltrain_0311
      @ltrain_0311 3 роки тому +4

      Had to give a fist pump at this part

    • @acucumberisafruit
      @acucumberisafruit 3 роки тому +5

      TOASTERS?! 😍

    • @Arbiter099
      @Arbiter099 3 роки тому +22

      Technology Connections vibes

    • @tutorsurrey
      @tutorsurrey 3 роки тому +2

      hey. could you do a thing on modern cheap Kid's cameras which use heat paper. They seem a good alternative to expensive polarold.

    • @anthonyfn
      @anthonyfn 3 роки тому

      Sounds like my gf

  • @Garbaz
    @Garbaz 3 роки тому +91

    2:50 That demo looks like a magic trick! Now I want a device like that
    Also the sheer simplicity of feeding the output of a linear CCD into a thermal printer is just really cool.

  • @topfacemod
    @topfacemod 3 роки тому +185

    This channel should really be called Passion of a Cathode Ray Dude. The thought and creative acumen involved inspire me. I know I been commenting a lot, but I am a fan. Instant like!

    • @CaptainApathetic
      @CaptainApathetic 3 роки тому +10

      Yea I love the passion he has for the stuff he talks about
      Big thanks to Technology Connections to sharing this channel

    • @Dee_Just_Dee
      @Dee_Just_Dee 2 роки тому +3

      I just started watching CRD a few days ago and I've fallen in love with the channel already.

  • @PaulMonaco
    @PaulMonaco 3 роки тому +120

    Fun fact... Similar devices still have a place today. I had a client in the business of doing Real Estate Title searches where they'd go to "town halls" to research documents. Local ordinances prohibited the use of cameras (even cell-phone cameras) but allowed for documents to be "scanned". The idea was to force people to pay an inflated copy-fee for a hard-copy but being a municipality the law had to be written in such a way to allow the office to copy. They didn't anticipate a "pocket copier".

    • @gabotron94
      @gabotron94 2 роки тому +8

      What about bringing a flatbed scanner in a suitcase

    • @tbuk8350
      @tbuk8350 Рік тому +26

      @@gabotron94 Nah, the real power move is just to roll in a huge large format bed scanner and slowly capture the documents page-by-page.

    • @wheelmanstan
      @wheelmanstan Рік тому +5

      It's like going to the DMV with your birth certificate that has your literal footprints on it and official seal..but they tell you that they need to see a copy, so you pay like 20 bucks for a damn copy.

    • @Fionnafire
      @Fionnafire Рік тому +2

      Please tell me where I can get one

    • @badladyami
      @badladyami Рік тому +2

      @@wheelmanstan Hell, a certified copy from Tennessee costs eighty goddamned dollars.

  • @saikothesergal
    @saikothesergal 3 роки тому +210

    *Thermal prints 1980's Hentai and tapes it to my friends car*

  • @claudiodiaz9752
    @claudiodiaz9752 3 роки тому +58

    I'm sure this didn't exist in the universe I'm originally from.

    • @uiopuiop3472
      @uiopuiop3472 3 роки тому +1

      you have also changed dimensions sir. which deriverative

  • @timotheatae
    @timotheatae 3 роки тому +39

    "Of course when I say one, I mean I have two, and of course when I say I have two I mean I have six."
    Sounds like me with Joy-Con controllers.

  • @chikinfrydsteak
    @chikinfrydsteak 3 роки тому +37

    I'm impressed by the PortaCopy. It's a phenomenally elegant design. It's "dumbness" is part of it's design genius, and probably explains why it still works so well nearly 40 years later

  • @rpavlik1
    @rpavlik1 3 роки тому +44

    That's just so nifty to see that little receipt printer spitting out paper at the same speed you drag it.
    Red LEDs were a lot cheaper and more reliable/established back then, I think.

    • @nrdesign1991
      @nrdesign1991 3 роки тому +13

      Probably also brighter, and filterless CCD's are more sensitive to red light

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 3 роки тому +17

      In the 80s, LEDs were a mature technology in red, green (the yellowish green, not the emerald green we have today), and everything in between (hence the various shades of yellow, amber, and orange LEDs). Blue was still being developed (costing dozens of dollars a piece for extremely dim output), and white LEDs (which are bright blue LEDs with yellow phosphor on top) hadn’t even been envisioned.
      My hunch is that they initially chose red because they were the relatively brightest: not only are CCDs more sensitive to red as mentioned in the previous reply, but bear in mind that human vision is most sensitive to green, so to get a red LED of equivalent _perceived_ brightness (to the human eye) meant the red LED would actually need to emit more light than the green one. Thus, my suspicion is that red LEDs were actually more powerful, and ultimately gave the most image sensitivity per milliwatt of illuminator power.
      (Red LEDs also require the lowest voltages of any visible light LEDs. The shorter the wavelength, the higher the voltage, generally speaking.)

  • @Steets
    @Steets 3 роки тому +46

    1:20 "Through the power of buying two of them..."

    • @AliceC993
      @AliceC993 3 роки тому +3

      All that's missing is a plug for _Menaaaaaards_

    • @sisconhimejoshi
      @sisconhimejoshi 3 роки тому +6

      @@AliceC993 i know retro tech channels rarely do collabs but i really wish those two collab one day

    • @KarlHamilton
      @KarlHamilton 8 місяців тому

      ​@@sisconhimejoshi some day...

  • @aarocka11
    @aarocka11 3 роки тому +48

    If LGR and technology connections had a baby that would be your channel

  • @CoverMechanic
    @CoverMechanic 3 роки тому +44

    strong “there’s GOT to be a better way!” vibes toward the end of this video

  • @2.7petabytes
    @2.7petabytes 3 роки тому +43

    I found the Sony version at a thrift store. The interesting thing was it still worked like a champ! This has been a decade or more ago and I have no idea what I did with it… Excellent video! I really enjoy all of the info you provide. Keep it up!

    • @lucasrem1870
      @lucasrem1870 2 роки тому

      we used hand scanner for that in 1986! cheap!
      i used the Genius, $50? Why print in in the museum?

  • @AMacProOwner
    @AMacProOwner 3 роки тому +84

    The weird stuff that existed for people to make “business” happen while on the go is amazing. This market is surprisingly innovative since it all just seemed to need a single reason to exist and since it’s “business” pricing was incredibly lucrative.

  • @doc_sav
    @doc_sav 3 роки тому +45

    I like your extreme mix of absolute materialism paired with anti-capitalism. Funny juxtaposition.
    Interesting video. You can tell these were never a big deal because publishing companies never had a massive panic meltdown about the possibility of regular folk using these to pirate books out of libraries and bookstores.

    • @gregdaweson4657
      @gregdaweson4657 2 роки тому

      The average wine Marxist.
      Holds an idiotic political view while acting like the opposite.

    • @doorhanger9317
      @doorhanger9317 2 роки тому +3

      materialism is a standard tenet of anti-capitalism... maybe not in the way you think, but talking about material pressures that guide businesses is just how you critique them

    • @JemaKnight
      @JemaKnight 6 місяців тому

      The 2013 leak of "The Ocean Full Of Bowling Balls" J.D. Salinger manuscript but it's leaked onto torrent sites like a low quality camrip from 2002

  • @stiltongruyere9691
    @stiltongruyere9691 3 роки тому +50

    Dude, your videos (especially your editing) have really been improving lately! Nice.

  • @ErickRibeiro
    @ErickRibeiro 3 роки тому +73

    Broke: Windows 2000 wall
    Woke: Windows 95 wall

    • @nairanvac79
      @nairanvac79 3 роки тому +4

      Bespoke: Blue screen of death wall

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 3 роки тому

      Ms dos wall.

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 3 роки тому +2

      I think he should have stuck with BIOS Boot Screen wall.

    • @dh2032
      @dh2032 3 роки тому

      I still can that shade of blue

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 2 роки тому

      @@nickwallette6201 Ooh! VGA text-mode! Yes, please!

  • @Chrystair
    @Chrystair 3 роки тому +30

    Life is funny.
    I just saw that movie 2 days ago and was also intrigued by this machine, wanting to know all about it and here you are making a video about it on your channel that I discovered a month prior or so.

    • @MrBratkenSolov
      @MrBratkenSolov 3 роки тому

      i like such coincidences too

    • @ferociousgumby
      @ferociousgumby 3 роки тому +1

      It's so weird that he was just holding the document in his hand, not even on a flat surface!

  • @bloodypommelstudios7144
    @bloodypommelstudios7144 3 роки тому +22

    I suspect for the film they used a prop rather than dealing with the unreliability of the technology.
    Preprint the document, roll it inside the device and detach the power to the heating element so it'll guarantee to roll out looking good.

  • @BrianRRenfro
    @BrianRRenfro 3 роки тому +16

    I am only 3 minutes in and at the first use demo. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT TECH I HAVE IN MY POCKET IN 2021! My grew up in the 80's ass is amazed and this is the most high tech thing I have ever seen. I can die now.

  • @lurkersmith810
    @lurkersmith810 3 роки тому +12

    As a former Xerox Corporation employee, I was disappointed to see not any Xerox products in your video. Also, they had us brainwashed so much about their brand protection, that 33 years after leaving the company I still bristle at people calling generic copiers "Xeroxes". (The worst was when someone told me they had a "Kodak Xerox" meaning a Kodak copier. Also, I am surprised Xerox didn't actually have one of those, but if they had I probably would have known about it then. I used to work on the big Xerox machines that were called duplicators. (Google Xerox 9200, 9400, 9900...) Otherwise, a good bed-time video!

    • @greggv8
      @greggv8 2 роки тому

      How about when Xerox worked with the CIA to put cameras inside copiers sold to the USSR? While it was difficult for government people from outside the Soviet Union to get inside, they had an open door for the servicemen from Xerox, who were all really CIA agents trained by Xerox. In addition to servicing the copiers, adding toner etc, they'd remove the images taken by the camera then carry them out without being searched.

    • @genius1a
      @genius1a 2 роки тому +2

      That is an interesting comment, that got me remembering some other cool ancient tech of the 1985 Era: I think it was a SHARP copier (I'm not sure - some short Japanese sounding name) that used extremely high pressure drums, rolling the powder on normal paper instead of high temperature (like Xerox does). But the nifty thing was: It had a pad on the top of the original Sheet lid with a stylus, where you could define Vector enclosed areas to leave out from copying. Not too easy, because the Lid was opaque and so you had to guess where to set the points. In Addition you could have one out of three different powders, one each time of copying, just by the press of a foil button: black, white, red, silver that I had actually used and some more I don't know. In combination with the defined area, you could have fancy effects by a multi pass operation. But I was a kid at the time ... For me the killer feature was the red color ... I made hundreds of red 500 Dollar Notes for Playing Monopoly. You can imagine what sums we could gather, while playing for several hours...
      My father, who had bought it for his company loved the features, but had to give it up after a few years for the cost of mainenance and materials I think. They had rather high B/W copying volumes and so operating cost mattered.

  • @null_carrier
    @null_carrier 3 роки тому +37

    Visible improvements in research, presentation, and editing - salute.

  • @LaskyLabs
    @LaskyLabs 3 роки тому +49

    Ah. The joys of having a wall that can be easily chroma keyed.

  • @hammondeggsmusic
    @hammondeggsmusic 3 роки тому +21

    Hah was just about to comment “I had one of those except it used some sort of wand instead” - and sure enough, there it is! Forgot all about that thing..!

  • @atari2600b
    @atari2600b 3 роки тому +12

    I've been painting the windows 95 start menu & let me tell you it is HARD to mix explorer.exe palette. It's not just grey, it's off-blue grey. It's not just blue, it's bluegreendarkish deeply saturated blue

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 3 роки тому +1

      Greys are famously finicky to mix :D

    • @Fopenplop
      @Fopenplop 3 роки тому

      like a genuine Rothko, the genius is in the subtlety

    • @atari2600b
      @atari2600b 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah I won't have none of that, I sat on it for these 2 weeks & I'm still not done with the underpaint. 'the lines aren't right' & that means I'll have empasto ghosting

  • @nickb9470
    @nickb9470 3 роки тому +18

    Despite all the advances in modern technology photocopying still feels like magic to me. Imagine the millennia of only being to reproduce an existing work by hand and now we can just push a button and get an exact copy.

    • @chistinelane
      @chistinelane Місяць тому

      I can't wait for 3d copying to become a thing.
      Oh what's that? You broke this plastic thing? Simply lightly glue it back together, throw it on the 3d scanner and print a new one!
      We already have all the pieces of this, and many people do it.... But I don't think anyone has put it together in a convenient push button package yet.

  • @kai990
    @kai990 3 роки тому +17

    I just thought "imagine if you scanned your cellphone number to put it on your car's windscreen, but then the sun would blank it out and youd get towed", it took me until 21:58 to notice my mistake.

  • @supernoob17
    @supernoob17 3 роки тому +16

    this channel is quickly shooting up the charts for best tech channel to chill out and smoke a bowl to

  • @mjfan653
    @mjfan653 3 роки тому +17

    the videos just keep getting better.... always love good retro tech, especially photo/video stuff, so if you have any ideas brewing in that category, please dont hold back!
    and I just love the things engineers managed to do with thermal paper... esp this thing

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 3 роки тому +2

      I'm amazed at how well thermal printing works. The idea of switching on and off sources of heat so quickly that you get distinct edges in thermally-sensitive paper is just astounding. I know the elements don't have much thermal mass, but still, I can't believe it isn't a huge smeary mess.

  • @Definitelynotacelebrity
    @Definitelynotacelebrity 3 роки тому +11

    I couldn’t imagine being the seller on eBay and seeing that one of those thing finally sold. “ Quick! Dust that thing off, pack it up, and mark it as shipped before they realize what they bought!”

  • @fallingwater
    @fallingwater 3 роки тому +9

    0:15 sweet music to my ears, bringing me back to simpler times when I didn't immediately switch off all sounds as my first action after a Windows reinstall. *sigh*

  • @marcberm
    @marcberm 3 роки тому +14

    Wow! A device that's both amazing AND amazingly simple for it's time.

    • @marcberm
      @marcberm 3 роки тому +3

      Like... There are very few devices which are generally impressive in a technical way, while also turning out to be more than the sum of their parts.

  • @soniclegend44
    @soniclegend44 3 роки тому +27

    New Cathode Ray Dude ensures a great day!

  • @pseudonymous1382
    @pseudonymous1382 3 роки тому +8

    The Sony one honestly sounds like a pretty great idea. For repetitive work such as label making, or document signing, it could fill a very particular niche.

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM 3 роки тому +6

    funny that these exist, the age before smartphone cameras to become indistinguishable from a home scanner. I still prefer a real scanner, but if I'm just quickly turning a paper into a PNG or something, phone app scanners are a life saver.

    • @RonaldoTalison
      @RonaldoTalison 3 роки тому +1

      The smartphone cameras are really good today but I never managed to make a document look like a scan with my phone.

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 3 роки тому

      And then you get a bunch of ads for free Russian ladies in Hindi interrupting the scan.

    • @jackkraken3888
      @jackkraken3888 3 роки тому +1

      @@RonaldoTalison You should try phone app scanners like Microsoft lens, they allow you to take photos even if they are not exactly on top then by aligning the corners of the page it will do the rest. And at least for me they do actually look like a scanned image.

  • @lucaslac124
    @lucaslac124 3 роки тому +6

    I often ask myself why I watch 30 minute videos about Xeroxes and faxes.
    Did you expect more?

  • @ferociousgumby
    @ferociousgumby 3 роки тому +3

    It would be a treat to see an infomercial for one of these, maybe starring Ron Popeil. "HAS THIS EVER HAPPENED TO YOU? (a guy stealing documents gets busted by police). INTRODUCING. . . the Port-A-Copy" (not to be confused with Port-A-Potty). "Copy Jack" sort of has the flavor of "hijack" (doing something illegal, which a lot of copying was/is).

  • @MaebhsUrbanity
    @MaebhsUrbanity 3 роки тому +3

    Confuses me so much that Americans call photocopiers Xerox machines, A brand name. Xerox makes all sorts of things and aren't even that large in the photocopy business, maybe larger in the US.

    • @youmukonpaku3168
      @youmukonpaku3168 3 роки тому

      well, being that it's the brand that brought photocopying to the office space at the time the modern US English lexicon was forming, it does make sense. Once upon a time, if your office had a photocopier at all, it was made by Xerox and was the only Xerox product you knew about.

    • @amirpourghoureiyan1637
      @amirpourghoureiyan1637 3 роки тому

      It's what happens when a product becomes popular, people only know it by the brand name. Here in England we're not much better, most people still say 'Hoovers' instead of Vacuum Cleaners.

  • @WCBROW01
    @WCBROW01 3 роки тому +14

    I want a Windows 95 wall now.

  • @LN997-i8x
    @LN997-i8x 3 роки тому +13

    The new blue paint was a great idea!

  • @testcardsandmore1231
    @testcardsandmore1231 3 роки тому +4

    Oh, I remember seeing these in mail order catalogs in the late 80's. I was only a kid back then and had no legitimate use for one but I thought they were cool and very high tech.

  • @garrykanter5773
    @garrykanter5773 3 роки тому +5

    The one that prints on plain paper uses Pla-Doh Copy Technology©.

    • @SCU3A_S7EVE
      @SCU3A_S7EVE 3 роки тому +2

      The one that copies only a few lines of text at a time uses photoconductance techniques developed by the Silly Putty Corporation®.

    • @garrykanter5773
      @garrykanter5773 3 роки тому +1

      @@SCU3A_S7EVE That's what *I* meant! Don't ever get old.

  • @Gogogordy1
    @Gogogordy1 3 роки тому +5

    I've been in the copier biz since 1977 and I remember some (all) of these silly things which in all honesty were cool, if not very gimmicky googaws back in the day. Thoroughly enjoyed your video on this subject however so Thank You for doing so.

  • @indextron2388
    @indextron2388 3 роки тому +17

    Finding your channel has been amazing, criminally underrated.

  • @captainsunshine918
    @captainsunshine918 3 роки тому +3

    You produce the most interesting videos I never thought I needed to watch. 😎

  • @haroldlloyd8233
    @haroldlloyd8233 3 роки тому +2

    Yes, HP had an inkjet in 1984. I can't think WHY I had one of the original versions 8 or 10 years later, but I had one.

  • @scottgfx
    @scottgfx 3 роки тому +2

    Just wanted to add that there have been cameras based in linear CCD technology. I think most have been large format, and do require long exposures. Think, high-res catalog or product shots from around 20 years ago. There have also been camera projects based around modifying a flat-bed scanner into a camera... a very large box format camera!

  • @kaitlyn__L
    @kaitlyn__L 3 роки тому +2

    I think that British magazine talked about the devices like they were new because they had yet to come to the UK at all. So they’d have been seen in news reports about overseas (usually American) tech developments, possibly movies, possibly some people with money to burn imported them (hence the “no longer just an executive toy” caption on the photo I imagine - regular salesmen weren’t using them yet in the UK like they allegedly were in the USA, but an executive might have brought it back from a business trip).
    So they were simultaneously known about yet generally unavailable - touch tone phones had this allure to them for a few years in the late 60s and early 70s in the UK too. People saw them in American media, complained about still having rotary dials, and the GPO whipped up a model with a keypad that generated rotary dial clicks since their network didn’t actually support tone dialling yet.
    Excellent teal colour as well. Turquoise over blue IMO. I noticed you used it to isolate yourself from your graphics as well - are you going to be putting the tape boxes back, or are they gone for good to help serve this new dual purpose?
    Lastly: loved the mini rant about how businesses only go for things they think are sure deals. That’s part of why outsourcing and badge-engineering has become so huge in the last 50 years too - outsource all the risk to your supplier, slap your name on it, rake in your profit margin vs whatever you pay your supplier.

  • @mfbfreak
    @mfbfreak 3 роки тому +3

    Re: Ni-Cd batteries and the power draw
    Ni-Cd batteries were actually really good at delivering short peak power. They were the best type of cell you could get for short duration high power delivery. The total capacity was relatively low, but the impulse power they could produce without bad effects was very good.
    Right up until the 2010s, they were found in Makita power drills. They skipped Ni-MH cells altogether (at least i never saw ni-mh in my store for makita power drills) and jumped to lithium right away when those started to become good enough.

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  3 роки тому

      oh absolutely, I should have clarified - I'm sure they could deliver massive amperage on the spot but if that pack rates more than 1000mAh, I'll eat my hat. Frankly more like 400mAh - I can't imagine it lasted longer then a few minutes.

  • @BrianBoniMakes
    @BrianBoniMakes 3 роки тому +5

    Spot on critique of capitalism. "It's not risk, it's the next sure thing."

  • @MickeyMousePark
    @MickeyMousePark 3 роки тому +1

    if you want to do an interesting printer from the 1980's keep your eye out for a Radio Shack CGP-115 (26-1192) printer..they are fascinating to watch as they move the paper up and down and the head moving left and right to literally draw characters using ink pens...

    • @tookitogo
      @tookitogo 3 роки тому +1

      As a kid, we had a Panasonic Penwriter typewriter that worked exactly the same way: a miniature pen plotter. It held 4 pens (black, red, green, and blue). As a word processing typewriter typical of the late 80s, you’d type in a whole line onto a display (with the opportunity to correct errors), then pressing Return would print the whole line. Slowly.
      It could even do graphs. You’d painstakingly enter the values, the dimensions of the graph, and a legend, and it’d draw it.
      If you’re not familiar, pen plotters once dominated the technical drawing “printer” market, since they produced truly clean lines, even on large paper. (They were the norm for engineering and architectural drawings.) As soon as large-format inkjet became available, it immediately killed off the pen plotter (since inkjet is way faster and allows proper fills), but plotter mechanisms continue to exist practically unchanged to this day in knife plotters, for cutting vinyl decals (like for shop windows). And of course CNC mills and laser engravers use rather similar x-y positioning mechanisms.

  • @adueppen
    @adueppen 2 роки тому +2

    The thermal transfer ribbons are especially cool when they were used in typewriters, several companies made extremely compact and battery-powered ones, including Silver-Reed. The ribbons are quite hard to find anymore compared to most other electronic typewriters, but of course the major advantage is that you don't need them as long as you have a roll of fax paper. I've been meaning to get one, but to be honest I'm actually a bit more interested in the portable pen plotters in a typewriter form factor that were a thing in the 80s as well (although the pens for those are even harder to find than the thermal typewriter ribbons).
    Also, Silver-Reed is quite an interesting company, I've been trying to find more information on them ever since I inherited my grandpa's old electronic typewriter but unfortunately details are quite sparse. Their main industry was actually knitting machines, which actually ties into kind of a fun connection: Brother is most well-known for printing devices, Silver-Reed for knitting machines, and Singer for sewing machines. However, all 3 of those companies have been active in all 3 of those product categories at some point or another.

  • @skelkankaos
    @skelkankaos 3 роки тому +3

    Yes I love technology that I've never heard of. Like this makes no tangible difference in my life but I'm so so glad that it exists in my brain now. As always great video

  • @prozacchiwawa
    @prozacchiwawa 3 роки тому +2

    As much more ergonomic as it was, i never once got a perfect scan from a scanman... always wound up with small rotation or skipped lines.

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  3 роки тому +1

      I find it much more consistent than these but yes, they're still a LITTLE squirrely - I just didn't want to go into nit-picking those when my real goal was to establish that the portacopy etc was even worse, haha.

  • @gblargg
    @gblargg 2 роки тому +2

    8:42 You don't even need 64 bytes. The image sensor and thermal element probably handle data serially, so as it reads the CCD data out it could be sending that to the thermal driver immediately. It might not even have 64 bytes of RAM.
    9:48 I think it must have an encoder. If it were simply modulating the heat of the thermal heads continuously based on the image sensor, it would "overexpose" the paper if you were moving it more slowly, or stopped for a moment. I think it does have an encoder, and every "pulse" it signals the unit to scan the image sensor, match the thermal to it, then after a preset time turn off the thermal output and wait for the next pulse. This is the only way to ensure even exposure.

  • @ceasarsalad119
    @ceasarsalad119 3 роки тому +2

    Oh wow, Think about the free transport you could get if you bought one of these. In the UK the bus tickets are thermal paper if I'm not mistaken. Bear in mind this is immoral and illegal but may actually work.

  •  3 роки тому +1

    It doesn't really seem that they simplified the design by removing things. The engineering seemed to be centered around solving a problem in a simple way to begin with.

  • @FalconFour
    @FalconFour 3 роки тому +3

    Great video. I had one of those Porta-Copy machines some 10 years ago (life changed since then, it's been lost). Wasn't terribly useful then, and had a dead battery then as well. I played with it a bit though. Never had a use for it. What I will add to this, though, is that I don't think it has any digital logic in it at all - no microcontroller, no memory, no buffer. Just pure analog connections between the sensor and the print head. Notice that there's no dots, no dithering... and dare I say, greyscale! That's not a microcontroller, that's just purely working in the analog realm.
    Clever dang things, though. If I had to guess, they didn't take off because people already had established other ways of solving the problem these were there to solve, and they were never around when the opportunity arose. So they were just relegated to the closet.

  • @St0rmcrash
    @St0rmcrash 3 роки тому +3

    Great video. What a neat and odd piece of forgotten and as it seems failed tech. Reminds me of how much "cool" but now redundant tech you see in old catalogs from places like Radio Shack

  • @BuckeyeStormsProductions
    @BuckeyeStormsProductions 3 роки тому +1

    Funny what you said about red text. In the mid 90's, when I entered the workforce, I remember a coworker joking (maybe?) about never signing documents with a red pen, because it was symbolic of signing in blood. I remember another coworker always arguing red text couldn't be copied, so it was the best way to assure your signature was an original signature.
    And...probably neither of their arguments had anything to do with this, so...
    I was later taught to sign in blue, because it was the least easy color to imitate...haha...
    Edit: Got to the end. Do you mean DAK? Look them up, and you'll see what their deal was! My Dad worked for a science museum in the late 80's, and while he was more on the administrative side, they spammed everyone there with their, "tech catalogs." He used to bring them home for me to pour over.

  • @Minimelkav
    @Minimelkav 3 роки тому +2

    131MB of ram, on a 200MMX? Seems a bit much for 95. But live your best life.

  • @jackkraken3888
    @jackkraken3888 3 роки тому +2

    "Broken garbage that nobody wants"
    Ebay Sellers: "But you bought it, mhwahaahaa!"

  • @charlie_nolan
    @charlie_nolan 3 роки тому +2

    Are these still a thing? This seems like it wouldn’t be obsolete today, I could definitely use one

  • @Artemis-zl5cs
    @Artemis-zl5cs 3 роки тому +2

    4 amps at 15v while printing? goddamn

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 3 роки тому

      Gotta get that paper HOT!

  • @nbarrager
    @nbarrager 3 роки тому +2

    "It's broken garbage that nobody needs or wants"
    *spends absurd amount of money on broken garbage*
    I feel your pain, man...

  • @Moooosu
    @Moooosu 3 роки тому +2

    These are really interesting devices! You got me curious when you were talking about the Copy-Jack and Panacopy weirdness and they're even obscure in Japan. They were so brief and niche in Japan's electronic scene that not much is talked about these types of devices. The Panacopy Mini was sold under their National brand in Japan for a period, while the Copy-Jack was sold under Plus Japan in 1985, but as you said they're just copies of each other. Surprisingly I can find more about the Copy-Jack on Japanese sites then the Panacopy, the only other one with notoriety being the Fuji Xerox copiers. The Porta Copy is a complete mystery and there are no documentation I can find of it ever being sold in Japan or a version of it sold by another manufacture.

    • @Moooosu
      @Moooosu 3 роки тому +2

      It gets even more confusing when you start looking at the Japanese website of Silver-Reed and see that they did get into the printing business, but lists it in the 1990s in color inkjets and not the 1980s. Also I can not find the rival Kakan Corporation or Copyroad that is mentioned in the New Scientist article. The only players that seem to have had a product in the Japanese market at the time were Panasonic ( with the National and Plus models), Fuji Xerox, Sony, Casio, and Ricoh. A Japanese blog does mention that the Copy-Jack might have been the first to market in 1985 and that Casio followed after, but there is no citation so this is by word of mouth.

    • @Moooosu
      @Moooosu 3 роки тому +2

      Also the Fuji Xerox is the most interesting of these devices as it functions like the Sony one where you scan then print on a paper sheet, but it also offered different color cassettes for printing. Draw back is that the device itself was bulky, so it really didn't have the portability as the others. ua-cam.com/video/SNTQJP4mIJU/v-deo.html

  • @VOX471
    @VOX471 3 роки тому +3

    Always a pleasure to watch your presentations. Thank you very much for producing these.

  • @MVVblog
    @MVVblog 3 роки тому +1

    We have a new Techmoan channel that is way better than the old one !!!

  • @DigitalJedi
    @DigitalJedi 2 роки тому +3

    I absolutely love seeing specialized mechanisms like this. It's simple, it's dumb, it solves a problem, and it just works. I like to call things like the roller physically advancing the print mechanism "mechanical intelligence." It's like a fine watch or an engine, mechanical things working together to make something happen automatically, with little or no actual brains to it. I actively try to implement this type of intelligence in designs I make when I can.
    For example: My robotics team needs to have a cup on an arm that dumps things out into bins, and needs to bin to return to an upright position inside the robot to collect the next item from our intake. We could use servos to move it, but we are limited to 12 servos on a machine in the rules. We have skated around these in the past, using 2 servos for 4 things with a multiplexer, but that's not applicable here. We could use one of our limited servos on an extending arm, but we now have to not use one elsewhere, run wiring out on an extended arm and not have it tangle when it retracts. Instead, we have the cup shaped in such a way that when it hits the edge of the bin, it just gets pushed into tipping over. We make sure it lines up with the intake when it retracts by having a set of pins on the upper rim of the cup engage with "tracks" inside the machine. This has saved us a servo, the weird wiring problems of putting it on an arm that gets 6x longer, completely automates the process of dumping the material, and always matches with the intake. If we had done this in software with a servo, it would have likely been an extra button to press while driving which would waste time in a match.

  • @ultrametric9317
    @ultrametric9317 3 роки тому +1

    I could definitely have used that! Had no idea and I was sentient in the 80s.

  • @ferongr
    @ferongr 3 роки тому +1

    Pendant alert: The thing that gets transferred to the paper in a thermal transfer printer is actually wax. When its activated by the printhead, it literally melts, detaches itself from the smooth PET carrier film and attaches itself to the comparatively rough paper surface. There are other formulations mixed with special resin, or even that resin by itself for greater smudge resistance and printing on synthetic materials but that's going a bit deep.

  • @Bou_Diran
    @Bou_Diran 3 роки тому +1

    This product is so cool. I was born in '91 and have been using all the bits of tech and neat gear I have been able to get my hands on ever since and yet I feel like if it was repackaged in a less clearly very 80's case and had a lithium battery instead of the nickle cadmium you could show it off, tell me it was the same price as was originally released at, and even tell me everything it does to function and I would be inclined to think, "what cool 2010's tech, I wish we had those when I was a kid" xD
    Your the king of finding things that boggle and delight my sensibilities CRD ^^

  • @katkothaza
    @katkothaza 3 роки тому +1

    Why does this guy only have 40K subscribers? And also, why only now he was suggested to me by UA-cam? I watch more nerdy stuff than I watch anything else!! Dude!! you got it all!! there is definitely something wrong in UA-cam cause you did everything perfectly and I'm sure that millions would have subscribed if they came across one of your videos. I salute all your Patreons .

  • @seanc.5310
    @seanc.5310 3 роки тому +1

    I remember as a kid my dad had one of these, I remember trying to use it (spoiler alert) they sucked back then too 😂

  • @SheepRanic
    @SheepRanic 2 роки тому +1

    I remember those gadgets in the DAK catalog.. ;) I am amused to discover it works exactly like I imagined it would. Would any of us have guessed we'd be carrying around portable network-connected computers with high resolution cameras in 25 years?

  • @AzureLazuline
    @AzureLazuline Рік тому +1

    all quality and practicality aside, that Sony model is just... perfect? You use one end to suck up the text, then use the *other* end to spit it out wherever you want! Something about that perfect symmetry is immensely appealing and satisfying 😄

  • @zatozatoichi7920
    @zatozatoichi7920 3 роки тому +1

    Wow, how cool is that? I'm an '80s-'90s kid, but never saw these anywhere.
    Also love the color of you wall. Can you tell me the color code? : >
    Anyways, keep up the good work! 100K subs incoming.

  • @cupcakemafiaxx
    @cupcakemafiaxx 3 роки тому +1

    "the miserable coke snorting bastards who ruined the US economy"
    WHY DID I NOT FIND YOU SOONER RETRO TECH AND HOT TAKES I LOVE IT HERE

  • @SeanBZA
    @SeanBZA 3 роки тому +1

    Sharp one used all parts made by Sharp for themselves, the printer is from a cash register or printing calculator, and the scanner is also one made for use in barcode scanners, all things Sharp made for use in point of sale applications, so volume made them very low cost. Likely only cost Sharp $30 to make, and likely also used internally Sharp designed and built ASIC chips to get all the logic together into one, using a 68000 series Hitachi microcontroller with 64k of RAM built in. Probably only 3 chips in there, one the microcontroller, one the Sharp printer control chip, and then an ASIC that did the rest.

  • @redgrain3914
    @redgrain3914 3 роки тому +1

    "Mr. Bond, your wallet seems to be overflowing with receipts." Timothy Dalton: "Don't you love how Russian military bases are all duty free, comrade?" [Bad karate fight]

  • @tolentarpay5464
    @tolentarpay5464 3 роки тому +1

    Every time I see ppl talking about old IT tech the idea of copying/storing recipes always seems to get mentioned; does anyone else find this odd?
    Maybe ppl were more into eating food back then? I mean, I've never heard of anyone actually doing computery-recipe things like that...

  • @ChefSalad
    @ChefSalad 2 роки тому +1

    0:15 I call shenanigans! There's no way a 200MHz Pentium MMX running Windows 95 started up that fast. It should have taken more like 5 minutes.

  • @james42519
    @james42519 2 роки тому +1

    Remember seeing newer ones from 90s and 2000s. Can't remember names but i seen a few at goodwill. Thinking looking for handheld scanner or copier would find something

  • @NullStaticVoid
    @NullStaticVoid 9 місяців тому +1

    I dont think thermal printing is so bad. It leverages the vast amount of retail reciept printers using that media. So they didn't have to ground up a new media format for dye sub or something. Heck it's probably off the shelf for 0% of the components except the scanner bit and some logic.

  • @Meoiswa
    @Meoiswa 2 роки тому +1

    I'm pretty sure there's no buffer or actual computing going in that first type of device you showed. Heck, it might as well be completely analog and support grayscale if it weren't for the CCD having its own filter (tuned with the contrast wheel) since it was designed for black and white copying

  • @Dee_Just_Dee
    @Dee_Just_Dee 2 роки тому +1

    3:14 With regard to the printout being a bit splotchy... the print quality was very likely better when the device was brand new. My current job has me servicing a lot of thermal printers, and splotches are a common sight when the print head is unevenly or weakly pressed against the paper. A thermal print head will typically have some springs in its assembly, and they can lose some compression force with age and use. Thankfully these springs also tend to have worm screws so that you can re-calibrate the print head assembly rather than needing to replace it entirely. Literally in the last couple of weeks I've had a handful of service calls for poor print quality that were resolved just by re-engaging loose clips or adjusting worm screws.

  • @dj1NM3
    @dj1NM3 3 роки тому +1

    I would hazard a guess that the original company producing these pocket copiers wanted to obfuscate who they were, perhaps because they didn't want any blowback if the devices were discovered to be used in corporate espionage. Unless the real designers were in Langley, Virginia and came from an organisation with a three letter name, the whole thing was a smokescreen to hide that. Once they'd procured enough devices for themselves, just let the produce die naturally in the market.
    They do seem like a real piece of "spy gear", designed to be small enough to fit in a large pocket, not necessarily for extreme ease of use.

  • @233kosta
    @233kosta 2 роки тому +1

    It doesn't need a buffer. You're the one advancing the paper, it's mechanically coupled to that motion already - why complicate things? I'd be willing to bet the CCD sends its signals straight to the inputs of the thermal printer.

  • @Endtimescoming
    @Endtimescoming 3 роки тому +1

    You know what I feel like you should have more subscribers. I have watched a few tech channels techmoan LGR, but as of right now you are the only one I've actually subscribed to because I feel you deserve more subscribers I mean don't get me wrong Moan and LGR are good and deserve the subscriptions they've got and to grow. But you for the interesting and quality content you have should be way ahead of where you are now in my opinion so I add my subscription to the lot and I wish you many many more.

  • @jaapaap123
    @jaapaap123 3 роки тому +1

    NiCads can probably handle that current. The problem with most of them, as well as with NiMH, is that the chargers are often garbage, and won't supply the voltage needed to fully charge a cell.

  • @jhwblender
    @jhwblender Рік тому +1

    Thanks for your videos! 😃 One thing that I would love to know in your videos is today's equivalent cost of all of the products with inflation.

  • @SnepperStepTV
    @SnepperStepTV Рік тому +1

    Shopping for one of these now! Have a need for vintage cookbook scanning, informational and how-to book & magazine research compilation, and artistic purposes as well as some more precise analog scrapbooking uses.

  • @N0gtail
    @N0gtail 3 роки тому +1

    I really want to see one of them taken apart. I wouldn't be surprised if they were almost completely dumb devices with the CCD directly feeding the print head with some sort of threshold detector for contrast adjustment.

  • @Lucie_tronvert
    @Lucie_tronvert 3 роки тому +1

    For the red color of the LEDs, I think it probably has to do with the fact that until well in the 90s, LEDs with other colors than red were hard to do ? (gallium nitride production used for nowadays green and blue LEDs did exist, but it was hard as hell to grow and very, very expensive bc we hadn't yet found the process to do it cheaply and reliably)

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  3 роки тому

      The scanman is from 88 or so though! Barely newer than the scanman - but maybe things moved fast

    • @stanwbaker
      @stanwbaker 3 роки тому

      @@CathodeRayDude The Scanman was, in today's money, $850 and was promoted as heavily as anything having to do with computing before Windows 95. The green LEDs were superior. In the eighties it was about being distinct in the marketplace and, if at all possible, premium. All computers, perhaps excepting the Commodore 64, were premium; utterly unnecessary items for the home sold in a world where the terms "rust belt" and "homeless" had very recently been coined.

  • @seres1
    @seres1 3 роки тому +1

    19:35 i think it could be usefull for lableing video casettes. memory A contains 'surveillance tape' and in memory B you switch from date to date.

  • @bill_and_amanda
    @bill_and_amanda 2 роки тому +1

    The two column layout in the sharp is probably for printing out something along the lines of a spreadsheet where you have for instance a column of say inventory items and then amounts or a list of expenses by vendor and price, something like that

  • @brandoncyoung
    @brandoncyoung 3 роки тому +1

    You should do a vid on the jvc hc-e100 portable email machine. I had one for a hot minute. Was pretty interesting

  • @DETHMOKIL
    @DETHMOKIL 3 роки тому +1

    Came for the Go-Go 80's business gadgets, stayed for the anti-profit centric development rant.