I was born and raised Christian. I once felt very unloved and begged on my knees once for Jesus to show me the depth of his love. I felt His physical arms wrap around me. So... I do think it's possible for people to know or see of Him in these ways. Nothing is impossible for God.
Thanks for your comment. I believe you. I believe it felt that way and that is a good metaphor for what Christ does to us sinners when we accept the gift of his works. Nevertheless, this was a feeling. It was limited to you. There are no Biblical equivalents. No one saw Jesus wrapping his physical arms around you. In a sense, it really happened to you, but it didn't happen in the same way as your mother or father wrapping their physical arms around you. Yes, some things are impossible for God. He cannot lie. He cannot give and then remove salvation - there is plenty that He cannot do. I know what you mean, however. You mean that he can appear to those he wishes to appear to. Yes, He can. My point in the video is exploring to what extent we should lend credibility to these claims. So, I look in the Bible and I don't see large unbelieving populations flocking to Jesus on the basis of visions - but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Second, I look at what the content of the interactions is. Is it focused on the deity of Christ, his death, burial, and resurrection as the propitiation of sin for those who will believe? Well, no, I don't hear that. What I hear is touchy-feely "You are mine" or "You are safe" and that is not the Gospel. So, "possible?" - Sure. "Probable?" - Not so much.
@@theworkman317 while I understand your reasoning, I also believe that God might be picking up the slack that we as Christians neglect. Those of us hard of hearing or unwilling to minister in such places. Or unable to reach them. He might by way of these visions reach out. I understand that the visions may not be giving the complete gospel, as a vision is usually brief and not long-winded in nature. I do not expect anyone to believe that that was Jesus. What I can say is I have never sought after physical signs or visions after that encounter. I walk by faith. But for a baby Christian and a non believer, such things may be necessary at times. Mature believers do not need signs in the physical if they truly rely on the invisible forces of God. Let us take for example the peoples of sentinel island. No one can get to them. It is forbidden. It might just be necessary for Jesus himself to go there and save those souls.
@@ramonkroutz Sure! Not impossible! I'm not against it, but, initially I was all-in and then I started to think, "What exactly am I all-in about?" Thanks for your comments and God bless you!
I agree, I too have seen Jesus and I know of people who've seen Him and we're all are Christians. Were getting towards the end where the Biblical Jesus is seen by many people as we're all His people and He shouldn't be put in a box and therefore, limited! God is the possible and with Him anything is possible, 🙏! So, when a person says they've seen Jesus I believe them and I am happy for them, 🙏! 🤍🤍🤍
My experience as a rabid atheist Jesus hater… I actually came to faith in Christ before I truly understood the gospel. In fact, I went to Bible College and it was part way through that I understood why Christ truly died on the cross. It hadn’t till this point made me any sense, but I knew I’d found the living God, the Father and that Christ was essential to the truth. This was a massive 180 for me, to go from Jesus hater to Christ lover. Christ is the gospel! Once you meet Jesus, you know repentance, faith, joy, love, fruit of the spirit. For me, understanding the gospel, was a missing puzzle piece that clicked, it didn’t change anything because I already knew I was saved because I’d encountered Christ not in a vision but in the way a person does so their heart changes towards him.
I don’t endorse every dream and vision presented, but “how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?” -Romans 10:14 God sees this so you now hear His heart when He says “indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so I will seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day.” -Ezekiel 34:11-12 His own arm brought salvation. -Isaiah 63:5 Going after people is Gods nature, so it’s no surprise that He’s revealing Himself to those Muslim countries without Christian ambassadors. My question for you is where does skepticism end and faith begin? Doesn’t love believe all things to an extent? Did you have perfect doctrine when you first believed? Or did you have this process of working out your salvation with fear and trembling and having your theology shaped and reformed over time? So let’s not be so hard on those who see in part (1st cor 13:12) I will reiterate that some of this supernatural stuff is real. People’s belief or disbelief will not dispel God’s nature (Romans 3:3). It never stopped being the last days and we still have the eternal promise in Joel 2:28. Open your heart, brother. I really am praying for you!
Amen, 🙏! You've made some really good points. God is looking for His lost sheeps and they're all over the world in various religions and cults. But, Islam is in direct opposition to Christianity this why He's looking slightly more at Muslims because they're harder to reach as they're so brainwashed and stubborn that Islam has them where it wants them! But, the good news is people are coming out of the darkness and into the light of Yeshua Hamashiach. Up to 6 million people has left Islam all over world this year alone and the figures are growing, 🙏! I have seen Yeshua that's why I believe them. I also know of people who are Christians whose seen Him too! The Bible is supernational, so why can't people have supernational encounters with Him? Yeshua isn't just for the 1st century as He's for all times, 🙏! 🤍🤍🤍
Also, the reason I believe this is happening in Iran and not over here is because we have so much access to hearing about Christ in the West. In regard to your thoughts on angels… ‘Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those whom will inherit salvation?’ Hebrews 1:14
Angels are messengers - so sometimes the word is translated messenger and sometimes angel. However, if all the Bible is 'for' our learning, but only some of it is 'to' us or 'about' us, then we need to look there for how we interpret angels, visions, miracles, etc. For example, Deuteronomy is 'for' our learning, but it is clearly not 'to' us or 'about' us as Gentiles. The Apostle to the Gentiles is Paul. Of all Paul's writings that are 'for' and 'to' us are his last ones known as his 'prison epistles' (Eph, Col, Phil., Phile., Titus, 1&2 Tim.). In these epistles he only refers to angels in order to dismiss them from our thoughts. He predicts that the gifts - prophecy, healing, tongues, etc. - will pass away, and they have. He speaks to a new group that includes all believers called the "One Body" - a group not included in prophecy. This group is the group that we are currently in and that tells us the scriptures we need to go to in order to understand or interpret what is happening in the world.
Also this is quotes in Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. Key is ALL FLESH not just Jews.
Right, so, this is a Kingdom promise and the Gospel of the Kingdom has been put into abeyance. Israel have rejected their King and Acts is the final part of the rejection of Christ by Israel. The 'all flesh' was 'in the final days'. But we are clearly not in the 'final days' because in those days Israel will have accepted their Messiah, the Kingdom will be nigh, and all that stuff your read in Revelation will start to happen.
@@theworkman317 but how does that explain the apostles and early disciples as they went out? They had visions and God healed people through them. I’m not trying to catch you, I’m genuinely interested in your viewpoint as I’ve never met someone who believes in the cessation of gifts before. Trust me, I have my own issues with healing, as I believe people can be so over the top with it. They may attribute to God when He hasn’t healed, or even not attribute to Him when he has at times… but I don’t know how you can live in the world and not believe there are miracles. Even amongst the ungodly I have seen God do things which cannot be accounted as the natural world. I wonder how you pray? If you have a sick wife or children etc, do you pray for their healing? It seems to me that it would be so debilitating to think God does not heal or do miracles-as to always think He will is plain stupidity. Do you have other verses that explain your position? Or a video you can point me to that explains biblically how you come to this conclusion? I must admit, some of my fellow Christian’s understanding has me frustrated, but I am also miffed by how you got to such an extreme position. Thank you.
This has been happening for years! 20 years ago when I was at Bible College I met an Iranian Christian man in Australia who was teaching Iranians in Australia for Christ. He had come to faith through Christ after having a vision. He also told us this very thing was happening. It was also happening in Indonesia.
I’d like to ask you a few Questions…. Have you been overseas to a majority Muslim nation? Also, just like you think that if someone believes in healing they should go to the hospital and pray to empty it, shouldn’t you, even more if you don’t believe in these miracles or visions, go and raise your voice to Muslims who haven’t heard of the risen Christ?
Thank you for your comments - Yes, I have been to majority Muslim nations for these purposes. My point is not that it isn't happening, but I feel we need to be very careful. If it is such a huge phenomenon - and has been according to your friend for 20 years - where is the swelling tide of Christian influence? I don't see it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. I also have tried to be careful by comparing these visions to the miracles, dreams, and visions we see in the Bible. As you can see in my video, I don't think they compare very well. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the visions and dreams and conversions were real!? I think so, but I'm just asking the question and trying to take some distance to the situation to make a more rational assessment.
@@theworkman317 I understand but sadly I take hard Jesus words that the road is narrow and few who go by it. So many have the opportunity hearing, seeing, even experiencing the glory of Jesus but they do not choose it, or last the distance. They get bogged down by the pleasures and disappointments in life etc. I think also for muslims, to receive Christ is to reject not just their long held beliefs, but their family, friends, culture, ancestry. It didn’t cost me too much to follow Christ. I experienced a bit of ‘persecution’ from family and I lost friends, but it’s nothing to what they may go through. For instance Pakistani Christian’s are being murdered for their faith. These are my humble thoughts. I have always hated the talk of revival this and revival that because I feel like God is just so out of our box and is and moves as He sees fit. I believe in the last days we will definitely see more of a pouring out of Gods Spirit but that doesn’t want His spirit is unavailable today.
Angels were not only for Israel. It says angels are ministers for The heirs of salvation also. And there has been some legitimate Muslims with Jesus. You take extreme cases and try to blanket everyone like that. That's dishonest... And every one of you cessationists would have called Paul a liar also!. Jesus did not preach the gospel to Paul when he knocked him off his horse... I don't believe in all the TV nonsense and prophets. But there is the real.. Cessationism is heresy.
"He" thinks that Acts is simply a continuation of the Gospel of the Kingdom and a narrative of the final rejections of Christ by the Nation. "He" has, indeed, read Acts 2:17. This describes the Last Days - i.e. Christ's return - and these last days which are associated with the Kingdom, have not yet happened because of the unbelief of the Nation in their Messiah. I am extremely dismissive of positions and ideas that I think are wrong, but not extremely dismissive of you or of the people who hold opposing views.
@@theworkman317 so you and he think God is incapable of having people experience dreams and/or visions before your interpretation of some timeline? I have, also listened to some testimonies from 'former muslims', and such experiences often lead them them away from islam and into Christianity. you have to remember, for many Muslims, even when they have such experiences, to then follow through, might mean being disowned by families and even persecution. a subset will tend to risk this persecution and be led by their experiences. its a pity you seem to limit Gods grace to only the end times. By your measure, none of the visions and dreams recorded by saints before or after the reformation is by actual divine ordinance- maybe they were all suffering from a emotionally driven delusion, because the end time, not yet here, by your measure. if their experiences do not contradict scripture (like someone says Jesus told them something), then if this leads them to Christ, i am happy for such a person.
@@fre7717 Hey, brother - I'm not limiting God, I'm trying to understand if these visions are from God or from the God of this World... not impossible, right? You are correct, as far as I know, these visions do not contradict scripture.
@@theworkman317 hi brother, in Christ. no ill-will intended here- but the vid was just too generally dismissive. it is not just muslims that are having these experiences and they all (for the ones i have listened to) seem to be pointing the person to Jesus. Jesus himself said he will always be with us, until the end of the age, and i really believe this literally.
@@fre7717 Look, I'm not dismissive for no reason. I come with Biblical examples as well as a deep knowledge of Islam and I express my concerns, this is very different from the aggressive pushback I've gotten. And, by the way, all the comments have proven my point that no one is ready to even consider that these might be Satan messing with us rather than God. Thanks for your comments and stay tuned for more on miracles (give me a week or so)!
Why would satan push people he already has into believing that was Jesus? Its illogical because that person will go into the arms of God the person he absolutely cannot bear and he certainly wouldn't do that. The Jesus aka Issa of the Qur'an is a completely different person to the Biblical Jesus aka Yeshua, so those people who've seen Him will know Yeshua when they see Him and not Issa! Those who've seen Yeshua are reading the Gospel for the first time and are developing a real genuine relationship Him! The Bible is supernational and God only gave us so much because He knew humans are skeptical and could only handle so much. He knew Christians can have a level of skepticism or the fear of the unknown, 🙏! From what I've seen, Muslims and others who've come into Christianity has a deep and profound genuine love for Yeshua and its nothing to do with Muhammad, 🙏! 🤍🤍🤍
So, that is a lot to unpack. "Why would satan push people he already has into believing that was Jesus?" - He is the Author of Lies and confusion. Why do we use Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity - three words representing great things that no one could disagree with... but the meaning they have actually been assigned is evil. In the same way, if Satan can get people thinking that they are worshiping Jesus in a correct way, but they are not, then he has 'won'. I agree that the Jesus of the Koran and the Hadith is a different Jesus, but that's another video! ;-)
This man sounds like one of those people that Jesus will say I never knew you. Christian Cessationism at best. The bible says does sweet and sour water flow from the same sprig. He would have said the same if he was at the book of Acts. I thank God I am not like this demon! I feel so sorry for him. I hope he repents!
So, what would I have said 'the same if I was at the book of Acts'? Be careful throwing that demon moniker around to people who you think might not agree with you. Indeed, if our only disagreement is on Cessationism or Continuationism, we can very much still be brothers in Christ if we hold the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as what we put our faith in. Wouldn't you agree?
Careful. Christian elitism is not of God and carnal(1st Cor 3:1-4). Demonizing people for skepticism produced by charismania is not of God. If we didn’t have so many charlatans and showman that have littered the continuationist landscape then maybe my brother wouldn’t have to sift through 100 lbs of manure to find the nugget of truth in continuationist. He’s a brother in the faith.
@user-dq2xj5gf7o Watch out, just because someone is wrong about something doesn't mean that he's a demon. You can see that it seems to be an honest mistake that comes from his cessationist assumptions, you don't want to be found devideing the bride of Christ. Also be careful when you say "thank you God that I am not like this guy" (Luke 18:11) We are warned quite a bit about that. But aside from that I agree he isn't looking at this right, he doesn't seem to be looking at the fruit instead he's hypothesizing about it.("you'll know them by their fruit/love") We shouldn't be arguing about these things we've got to get up and get into the field, the only time I've heard from people of this, in the middle east as well as India, it always leads to fruit, if it was a lie they wouldn't start orphanages/widowages, they wouldn't withstand persecution from the Muslim or Hindu authorities, train up other pastors to reach others, they wouldn't they would just fold.
I was born and raised Christian. I once felt very unloved and begged on my knees once for Jesus to show me the depth of his love. I felt His physical arms wrap around me. So... I do think it's possible for people to know or see of Him in these ways. Nothing is impossible for God.
Thanks for your comment. I believe you. I believe it felt that way and that is a good metaphor for what Christ does to us sinners when we accept the gift of his works. Nevertheless, this was a feeling. It was limited to you. There are no Biblical equivalents. No one saw Jesus wrapping his physical arms around you. In a sense, it really happened to you, but it didn't happen in the same way as your mother or father wrapping their physical arms around you.
Yes, some things are impossible for God. He cannot lie. He cannot give and then remove salvation - there is plenty that He cannot do. I know what you mean, however. You mean that he can appear to those he wishes to appear to. Yes, He can. My point in the video is exploring to what extent we should lend credibility to these claims. So, I look in the Bible and I don't see large unbelieving populations flocking to Jesus on the basis of visions - but that doesn't mean it can't happen. Second, I look at what the content of the interactions is. Is it focused on the deity of Christ, his death, burial, and resurrection as the propitiation of sin for those who will believe? Well, no, I don't hear that. What I hear is touchy-feely "You are mine" or "You are safe" and that is not the Gospel. So, "possible?" - Sure. "Probable?" - Not so much.
@@theworkman317 while I understand your reasoning, I also believe that God might be picking up the slack that we as Christians neglect. Those of us hard of hearing or unwilling to minister in such places. Or unable to reach them. He might by way of these visions reach out. I understand that the visions may not be giving the complete gospel, as a vision is usually brief and not long-winded in nature. I do not expect anyone to believe that that was Jesus. What I can say is I have never sought after physical signs or visions after that encounter. I walk by faith. But for a baby Christian and a non believer, such things may be necessary at times. Mature believers do not need signs in the physical if they truly rely on the invisible forces of God. Let us take for example the peoples of sentinel island. No one can get to them. It is forbidden. It might just be necessary for Jesus himself to go there and save those souls.
@@ramonkroutz Sure! Not impossible! I'm not against it, but, initially I was all-in and then I started to think, "What exactly am I all-in about?" Thanks for your comments and God bless you!
I agree, I too have seen Jesus and I know of people who've seen Him and we're all are Christians. Were getting towards the end where the Biblical Jesus is seen by many people as we're all His people and He shouldn't be put in a box and therefore, limited! God is the possible and with Him anything is possible, 🙏! So, when a person says they've seen Jesus I believe them and I am happy for them, 🙏! 🤍🤍🤍
My experience as a rabid atheist Jesus hater… I actually came to faith in Christ before I truly understood the gospel. In fact, I went to Bible College and it was part way through that I understood why Christ truly died on the cross. It hadn’t till this point made me any sense, but I knew I’d found the living God, the Father and that Christ was essential to the truth. This was a massive 180 for me, to go from Jesus hater to Christ lover. Christ is the gospel! Once you meet Jesus, you know repentance, faith, joy, love, fruit of the spirit. For me, understanding the gospel, was a missing puzzle piece that clicked, it didn’t change anything because I already knew I was saved because I’d encountered Christ not in a vision but in the way a person does so their heart changes towards him.
Amen - an amazing turnaround!
I don’t endorse every dream and vision presented, but “how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?” -Romans 10:14
God sees this so you now hear His heart when He says “indeed I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so I will seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered on a cloudy and dark day.” -Ezekiel 34:11-12
His own arm brought salvation. -Isaiah 63:5
Going after people is Gods nature, so it’s no surprise that He’s revealing Himself to those Muslim countries without Christian ambassadors.
My question for you is where does skepticism end and faith begin? Doesn’t love believe all things to an extent? Did you have perfect doctrine when you first believed? Or did you have this process of working out your salvation with fear and trembling and having your theology shaped and reformed over time? So let’s not be so hard on those who see in part (1st cor 13:12)
I will reiterate that some of this supernatural stuff is real. People’s belief or disbelief will not dispel God’s nature (Romans 3:3). It never stopped being the last days and we still have the eternal promise in Joel 2:28. Open your heart, brother. I really am praying for you!
Amen, 🙏! You've made some really good points. God is looking for His lost sheeps and they're all over the world in various religions and cults. But, Islam is in direct opposition to Christianity this why He's looking slightly more at Muslims because they're harder to reach as they're so brainwashed and stubborn that Islam has them where it wants them! But, the good news is people are coming out of the darkness and into the light of Yeshua Hamashiach. Up to 6 million people has left Islam all over world this year alone and the figures are growing, 🙏! I have seen Yeshua that's why I believe them. I also know of people who are Christians whose seen Him too! The Bible is supernational, so why can't people have supernational encounters with Him? Yeshua isn't just for the 1st century as He's for all times, 🙏! 🤍🤍🤍
Also, the reason I believe this is happening in Iran and not over here is because we have so much access to hearing about Christ in the West.
In regard to your thoughts on angels…
‘Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those whom will inherit salvation?’ Hebrews 1:14
Angels are messengers - so sometimes the word is translated messenger and sometimes angel. However, if all the Bible is 'for' our learning, but only some of it is 'to' us or 'about' us, then we need to look there for how we interpret angels, visions, miracles, etc. For example, Deuteronomy is 'for' our learning, but it is clearly not 'to' us or 'about' us as Gentiles. The Apostle to the Gentiles is Paul. Of all Paul's writings that are 'for' and 'to' us are his last ones known as his 'prison epistles' (Eph, Col, Phil., Phile., Titus, 1&2 Tim.). In these epistles he only refers to angels in order to dismiss them from our thoughts. He predicts that the gifts - prophecy, healing, tongues, etc. - will pass away, and they have. He speaks to a new group that includes all believers called the "One Body" - a group not included in prophecy. This group is the group that we are currently in and that tells us the scriptures we need to go to in order to understand or interpret what is happening in the world.
Also this is quotes in Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
Key is ALL FLESH not just Jews.
Right, so, this is a Kingdom promise and the Gospel of the Kingdom has been put into abeyance. Israel have rejected their King and Acts is the final part of the rejection of Christ by Israel. The 'all flesh' was 'in the final days'. But we are clearly not in the 'final days' because in those days Israel will have accepted their Messiah, the Kingdom will be nigh, and all that stuff your read in Revelation will start to happen.
@@theworkman317 but how does that explain the apostles and early disciples as they went out? They had visions and God healed people through them. I’m not trying to catch you, I’m genuinely interested in your viewpoint as I’ve never met someone who believes in the cessation of gifts before. Trust me, I have my own issues with healing, as I believe people can be so over the top with it. They may attribute to God when He hasn’t healed, or even not attribute to Him when he has at times… but I don’t know how you can live in the world and not believe there are miracles. Even amongst the ungodly I have seen God do things which cannot be accounted as the natural world. I wonder how you pray? If you have a sick wife or children etc, do you pray for their healing? It seems to me that it would be so debilitating to think God does not heal or do miracles-as to always think He will is plain stupidity. Do you have other verses that explain your position? Or a video you can point me to that explains biblically how you come to this conclusion? I must admit, some of my fellow Christian’s understanding has me frustrated, but I am also miffed by how you got to such an extreme position. Thank you.
If they is in fact true, they will never admit it. Changing teams is not in the Koran.
This has been happening for years! 20 years ago when I was at Bible College I met an Iranian Christian man in Australia who was teaching Iranians in Australia for Christ. He had come to faith through Christ after having a vision. He also told us this very thing was happening. It was also happening in Indonesia.
I’d like to ask you a few Questions…. Have you been overseas to a majority Muslim nation? Also, just like you think that if someone believes in healing they should go to the hospital and pray to empty it, shouldn’t you, even more if you don’t believe in these miracles or visions, go and raise your voice to Muslims who haven’t heard of the risen Christ?
Thank you for your comments - Yes, I have been to majority Muslim nations for these purposes. My point is not that it isn't happening, but I feel we need to be very careful. If it is such a huge phenomenon - and has been according to your friend for 20 years - where is the swelling tide of Christian influence? I don't see it, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. I also have tried to be careful by comparing these visions to the miracles, dreams, and visions we see in the Bible. As you can see in my video, I don't think they compare very well. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the visions and dreams and conversions were real!? I think so, but I'm just asking the question and trying to take some distance to the situation to make a more rational assessment.
@@theworkman317 I understand but sadly I take hard Jesus words that the road is narrow and few who go by it. So many have the opportunity hearing, seeing, even experiencing the glory of Jesus but they do not choose it, or last the distance. They get bogged down by the pleasures and disappointments in life etc. I think also for muslims, to receive Christ is to reject not just their long held beliefs, but their family, friends, culture, ancestry. It didn’t cost me too much to follow Christ. I experienced a bit of ‘persecution’ from family and I lost friends, but it’s nothing to what they may go through. For instance Pakistani Christian’s are being murdered for their faith. These are my humble thoughts. I have always hated the talk of revival this and revival that because I feel like God is just so out of our box and is and moves as He sees fit. I believe in the last days we will definitely see more of a pouring out of Gods Spirit but that doesn’t want His spirit is unavailable today.
Angels were not only for Israel.
It says angels are ministers for The heirs of salvation also. And there has been some legitimate Muslims with Jesus. You take extreme cases and try to blanket everyone like that. That's dishonest... And every one of you cessationists would have called Paul a liar also!. Jesus did not preach the gospel to Paul when he knocked him off his horse... I don't believe in all the TV nonsense and prophets. But there is the real..
Cessationism is heresy.
i don't think he read Acts 2:17- he is extremely dismissive.
"He" thinks that Acts is simply a continuation of the Gospel of the Kingdom and a narrative of the final rejections of Christ by the Nation. "He" has, indeed, read Acts 2:17. This describes the Last Days - i.e. Christ's return - and these last days which are associated with the Kingdom, have not yet happened because of the unbelief of the Nation in their Messiah. I am extremely dismissive of positions and ideas that I think are wrong, but not extremely dismissive of you or of the people who hold opposing views.
@@theworkman317 so you and he think God is incapable of having people experience dreams and/or visions before your interpretation of some timeline? I have, also listened to some testimonies from 'former muslims', and such experiences often lead them them away from islam and into Christianity. you have to remember, for many Muslims, even when they have such experiences, to then follow through, might mean being disowned by families and even persecution. a subset will tend to risk this persecution and be led by their experiences. its a pity you seem to limit Gods grace to only the end times. By your measure, none of the visions and dreams recorded by saints before or after the reformation is by actual divine ordinance- maybe they were all suffering from a emotionally driven delusion, because the end time, not yet here, by your measure. if their experiences do not contradict scripture (like someone says Jesus told them something), then if this leads them to Christ, i am happy for such a person.
@@fre7717 Hey, brother - I'm not limiting God, I'm trying to understand if these visions are from God or from the God of this World... not impossible, right? You are correct, as far as I know, these visions do not contradict scripture.
@@theworkman317 hi brother, in Christ. no ill-will intended here- but the vid was just too generally dismissive. it is not just muslims that are having these experiences and they all (for the ones i have listened to) seem to be pointing the person to Jesus. Jesus himself said he will always be with us, until the end of the age, and i really believe this literally.
@@fre7717 Look, I'm not dismissive for no reason. I come with Biblical examples as well as a deep knowledge of Islam and I express my concerns, this is very different from the aggressive pushback I've gotten. And, by the way, all the comments have proven my point that no one is ready to even consider that these might be Satan messing with us rather than God. Thanks for your comments and stay tuned for more on miracles (give me a week or so)!
Why would satan push people he already has into believing that was Jesus? Its illogical because that person will go into the arms of God the person he absolutely cannot bear and he certainly wouldn't do that. The Jesus aka Issa of the Qur'an is a completely different person to the Biblical Jesus aka Yeshua, so those people who've seen Him will know Yeshua when they see Him and not Issa!
Those who've seen Yeshua are reading the Gospel for the first time and are developing a real genuine relationship Him! The Bible is supernational and God only gave us so much because He knew humans are skeptical and could only handle so much. He knew Christians can have a level of skepticism or the fear of the unknown, 🙏! From what I've seen, Muslims and others who've come into Christianity has a deep and profound genuine love for Yeshua and its nothing to do with Muhammad, 🙏! 🤍🤍🤍
So, that is a lot to unpack. "Why would satan push people he already has into believing that was Jesus?" - He is the Author of Lies and confusion. Why do we use Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity - three words representing great things that no one could disagree with... but the meaning they have actually been assigned is evil. In the same way, if Satan can get people thinking that they are worshiping Jesus in a correct way, but they are not, then he has 'won'.
I agree that the Jesus of the Koran and the Hadith is a different Jesus, but that's another video! ;-)
This man sounds like one of those people that Jesus will say I never knew you. Christian Cessationism at best. The bible says does sweet and sour water flow from the same sprig. He would have said the same if he was at the book of Acts. I thank God I am not like this demon! I feel so sorry for him. I hope he repents!
So, what would I have said 'the same if I was at the book of Acts'? Be careful throwing that demon moniker around to people who you think might not agree with you. Indeed, if our only disagreement is on Cessationism or Continuationism, we can very much still be brothers in Christ if we hold the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ as what we put our faith in. Wouldn't you agree?
Careful. Christian elitism is not of God and carnal(1st Cor 3:1-4). Demonizing people for skepticism produced by charismania is not of God. If we didn’t have so many charlatans and showman that have littered the continuationist landscape then maybe my brother wouldn’t have to sift through 100 lbs of manure to find the nugget of truth in continuationist. He’s a brother in the faith.
@user-dq2xj5gf7o Watch out, just because someone is wrong about something doesn't mean that he's a demon. You can see that it seems to be an honest mistake that comes from his cessationist assumptions, you don't want to be found devideing the bride of Christ.
Also be careful when you say "thank you God that I am not like this guy" (Luke 18:11)
We are warned quite a bit about that.
But aside from that I agree he isn't looking at this right, he doesn't seem to be looking at the fruit instead he's hypothesizing about it.("you'll know them by their fruit/love")
We shouldn't be arguing about these things we've got to get up and get into the field, the only time I've heard from people of this, in the middle east as well as India, it always leads to fruit, if it was a lie they wouldn't start orphanages/widowages, they wouldn't withstand persecution from the Muslim or Hindu authorities, train up other pastors to reach others, they wouldn't they would just fold.