The player part is not simple at all! You missed the most complex part. The bit you thought was a manifold is actually an incredibly intricated balanced vacuum system with hundreds of parts inside. Working similar to a brake servo but ~176 times, two vacuum systems in a delicate balance for each note. The open holes interrupt that balance and cause the valve to move and allow the vacuum to move to the note bellow. If you still have it have a look, its an impressive bit of design.
This would be interesting if this guy actually knew what he was talking about. I’ve rebuilt a half dozen player pianos in my 60 years on this planet. I started in 1976. This guy is a piker.
Well to be fair...his approach to learning about this is not unrespectable. He used a lexicon that is not correct, but his understanding of the basics is correct. I'm glad he did the video versus not doing it...more people will now know about these amazing machines/instruments! ua-cam.com/play/PLpzPQtCxtoGSirKAMAgjMpwS4rBGYADjX.html
Everybody loves a Piano until it comes time to move one. I own two players pianos and love what your doing not many get to see what it involves in restoring and how these wonderfull machines function. I have found some very interesting things inside the many pianos I have worked on. Awesome video guys.
So you know, we are releasing Autopsies every Thursday for the foreseeable future (breaks to shoot more of them obviously, but that's not for a while). We're glad we could bring back something you love and run it more consistently!
The tracker bar moves to align with the correct line of holes, not to change octaves, some rolls are not made with the same alignment, one of my relatives had one that i had a go at playing back in my teens. That air engine would not work on pressure (like you tried in the MDH), it needs vacuum to hold the slide valves against the face, try a vacuum cleaner (assuming the bellows are not too bad), but just start gentle by leaving an air gap between vac and motor. The Jacquard loom which used punched paper was invented around 1725 to 1740 (there was a development phase), the player piano was around the late 1800's to early 1900's, the early ones used fingers to detect the holes. It's a parallel port play head, so yes it's digital.
Sparky Projects Yea, I was yelling at the screen when he said pressure. I can see the roll getting blown away from the tracker bar even just a little, causing extra notes to play all over the place. Vacuum holds the paper against the tracker nicely.
I wasn't talking about the tracker, i was referring to the motor, @44:36 you can see the slide valves which should be sucked onto the faces, pressure would blow them away causing the leak.
There were numerous tracking technologies used . Some sensed the paper edges with fingers. Some had extra holes in the tracker bar. Some moved the spool, some moved the tracker bar. Read Art Reblitz’ book on rebuilding before posting amateurish videos on UA-cam. This guy is out of his league.
The thing is Chris, they don't make these player pianos any more, there for there is a finite amount of them, thats why people freak out, there is still a place that uses an APPLE II and an old machine to make the paper music, it was on how its made. but other than that once the piano is gone, there's no new ones to replace it.
Given the lead tubing was intact, it is likely that was a virgin player piano that had never been rebuilt and had all its parts. The walnut cabinet was in great shape. A prime candidate for restoration. This piano had survived two world wars and 100 years. Until YOU come along and destroy it for a UA-cam channel episode. And yes, I have rebuilt a few player pianos. You could have contacted AMICA and they would have found a home for it. A Goodwill donation would have been fine, and you get a deduction. It takes time sell any piano because it is an illiquid market. You didn't say where you listed it. Since you have possession of it, you must have bought it with the intention of destroying it. You have a poverty of values.
Be interesting if they did the tesla coil thing with it put the replace the read head with a gob of encoders then put into an arduino, etc. Then drive it that way.
I enjoy pianos but I get the problem with them. We had a fantastic upright piano which we GAVE away because nobody would buy it. (We just made them get a professional mover to take it.) Happy to say that person very much enjoyed the piano and put it to good use.
I will freak out even more people if I say that almost every urbex video contains at some point an old, abandoned and decaying piano... just check some random videos from Dan Bell or The proper people or others.
pianos can make many different notes. i enjoy Captain's preference for big tools. opening a piano (or similar large device) may make you fall apart. what is that fluff under the piano keys? heavier tools are more efficient and cause more damage. dismantling a piano harp is a can of worms.
Here's some audio generated from a screenshot of the piano roll: ua-cam.com/video/v1DpOpDxO6w/v-deo.html I used SonicPhoto after photoshopping the screenshot.
Anyone good at old piano music knowledge? "midi" here: ua-cam.com/video/CDJVjzqVyXs/v-deo.html Today I learnt about how to get midi working on my linux laptop (timidity etc.). And how to (not) do a screen capture. And that I have no knowlegde of piano music. So sorry, I can't tell the song, just provide the reasonably visible part as midi. Getting brightness values from pixels and pushing them to midi out was the simplest part... (ugly, hacked) sourcecode at github
matthew de silva it's great! You can see what they are doing pretty much daily! Look up 'Chris Boden' on UA-cam. You should also friend him of fb to see other stuff they do!
On the other hand...lol...as I watch this... I am starting to get a little bit annoyed at the guy. For sawing off the lead tubes, destroying the player...lol...a $30 book could have resulted in an autopsy AND a working player Piano...lol
The player part is not simple at all! You missed the most complex part. The bit you thought was a manifold is actually an incredibly intricated balanced vacuum system with hundreds of parts inside. Working similar to a brake servo but ~176 times, two vacuum systems in a delicate balance for each note. The open holes interrupt that balance and cause the valve to move and allow the vacuum to move to the note bellow. If you still have it have a look, its an impressive bit of design.
Yeah. Watched the whole video waiting for him to get to the valves inside the stacks and to see how the bellows connect, but he never did.
This would be interesting if this guy actually knew what he was talking about. I’ve rebuilt a half dozen player pianos in my 60 years on this planet. I started in 1976. This guy is a piker.
Well to be fair...his approach to learning about this is not unrespectable. He used a lexicon that is not correct, but his understanding of the basics is correct. I'm glad he did the video versus not doing it...more people will now know about these amazing machines/instruments! ua-cam.com/play/PLpzPQtCxtoGSirKAMAgjMpwS4rBGYADjX.html
Everybody loves a Piano until it comes time to move one. I own two players pianos and love what your doing not many get to see what it involves in restoring and how these wonderfull machines function. I have found some very interesting things inside the many pianos I have worked on. Awesome video guys.
Finally an episode that's not another "Abbreviated workday" or "Your dinosaurs are wrong". THIS is the kind of thing I subbed for.
So you know, we are releasing Autopsies every Thursday for the foreseeable future (breaks to shoot more of them obviously, but that's not for a while). We're glad we could bring back something you love and run it more consistently!
The tracker bar moves to align with the correct line of holes, not to change octaves, some rolls are not made with the same alignment, one of my relatives had one that i had a go at playing back in my teens.
That air engine would not work on pressure (like you tried in the MDH), it needs vacuum to hold the slide valves against the face, try a vacuum cleaner (assuming the bellows are not too bad), but just start gentle by leaving an air gap between vac and motor.
The Jacquard loom which used punched paper was invented around 1725 to 1740 (there was a development phase), the player piano was around the late 1800's to early 1900's, the early ones used fingers to detect the holes.
It's a parallel port play head, so yes it's digital.
Sparky Projects Yea, I was yelling at the screen when he said pressure. I can see the roll getting blown away from the tracker bar even just a little, causing extra notes to play all over the place. Vacuum holds the paper against the tracker nicely.
I wasn't talking about the tracker, i was referring to the motor, @44:36 you can see the slide valves which should be sucked onto the faces, pressure would blow them away causing the leak.
Sparky Projects yes, I know.
There were numerous tracking technologies used . Some sensed the paper edges with fingers. Some had extra holes in the tracker bar. Some moved the spool, some moved the tracker bar. Read Art Reblitz’ book on rebuilding before posting amateurish videos on UA-cam. This guy is out of his league.
If I lived closer I would have bought it, but I also enjoy seeing how it works
The thing is Chris, they don't make these player pianos any more, there for there is a finite amount of them, thats why people freak out, there is still a place that uses an APPLE II and an old machine to make the paper music, it was on how its made. but other than that once the piano is gone, there's no new ones to replace it.
Given the lead tubing was intact, it is likely that was a virgin player piano that had never been rebuilt and had all its parts.
The walnut cabinet was in great shape. A prime candidate for restoration. This piano had survived two world wars and 100 years. Until YOU come along and destroy it for a UA-cam channel episode.
And yes, I have rebuilt a few player pianos. You could have contacted AMICA and they would have found a home for it. A Goodwill donation would have been fine, and you get a deduction. It takes time sell any piano because it is an illiquid market. You didn't say where you listed it. Since you have possession of it, you must have bought it with the intention of destroying it.
You have a poverty of values.
Be interesting if they did the tesla coil thing with it put the replace the read head with a gob of encoders then put into an arduino, etc. Then drive it that way.
Love the paper scraps you found !
LOL at the beginning rant. Pianos are heavy and nobody wants one. But they get all up in arms when you take one apart. It's funny.
Same thing with giant robot arms. I would have loved to have had the one they autopsied before, but I had no where to keep it.
I enjoy pianos but I get the problem with them. We had a fantastic upright piano which we GAVE away because nobody would buy it. (We just made them get a professional mover to take it.) Happy to say that person very much enjoyed the piano and put it to good use.
Will you be making anymore autopsy videos
Lots more :) We're just getting back in gear.
At 26:41 - "What is that over there...that little box" ....dinggggg.....I thought for a moment I was wathing a horror show :)
I will freak out even more people if I say that almost every urbex video contains at some point an old, abandoned and decaying piano... just check some random videos from Dan Bell or The proper people or others.
pianos can make many different notes. i enjoy Captain's preference for big tools. opening a piano (or similar large device) may make you fall apart. what is that fluff under the piano keys? heavier tools are more efficient and cause more damage. dismantling a piano harp is a can of worms.
Here's some audio generated from a screenshot of the piano roll:
ua-cam.com/video/v1DpOpDxO6w/v-deo.html
I used SonicPhoto after photoshopping the screenshot.
Fascinating!
Do you know anyone who fixes the. Bellows?
can I buy all the keys my old piano needs a few and im hopeing there a standard length from front to back but I dont know
You didn’t have to destroy it to take it apart
24:53 No shit Sherlock!! Now put that thing together and restore it!
Anyone good at old piano music knowledge? "midi" here: ua-cam.com/video/CDJVjzqVyXs/v-deo.html
Today I learnt about how to get midi working on my linux laptop (timidity etc.). And how to (not) do a screen capture. And that I have no knowlegde of piano music. So sorry, I can't tell the song, just provide the reasonably visible part as midi. Getting brightness values from pixels and pushing them to midi out was the simplest part... (ugly, hacked) sourcecode at github
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But what, No hammer against the harp? I was waiting for that dying piano sound.
Well, since you asked. ;) ua-cam.com/video/lzbRR9KeWrQ/v-deo.htmlm47s
I honestly would have bought it for $500
I have one! Location: San Luis Obispo County
I don't care what you guy take apart I wanted to know where you guy where these month gone
matthew de silva do you follow Chris bodens blog (captains blog)?
no I dont .is that where he does it ?
matthew de silva it's great! You can see what they are doing pretty much daily! Look up 'Chris Boden' on UA-cam. You should also friend him of fb to see other stuff they do!
Here's my guess:
Händel, Georg Friedrich: organ concerto in Bb op. 4/6, 1st movement
Is it just me or is Batman looking a lot less heavy?
Woo.
Build something cool out of the remains.
Actually that black key is E flat.
On the other hand...lol...as I watch this... I am starting to get a little bit annoyed at the guy. For sawing off the lead tubes, destroying the player...lol...a $30 book could have resulted in an autopsy AND a working player Piano...lol
50 comments thats kind of generous lol burn jk
Absolute vandals! You should have fixed it not stripped it down.