In the John Wick universe, Respect is the most important thing. John was saved many times by other characters even by giving their lives because they respected the man.
And to think he did it in return as well. That's not only honorable, but professional too. He returned the courtesy that was given to him many times when he asked for help.
yeah. i think that's why even though they say john doesnt have a lot of friends, those friends are willing to help him even if it's risking their lives. compared to big bosses who have people on their sides using power, fear, benefits(if tides changes and tables turned, they might not stay), john earns his bonds with his humanity. can tell by the friendly atmosphere when they see john returned.
The gold coins are considered favours per action. Clean 0ut 8 bodies, 8 coins. 1 room? 1 coin, 5 guns and as much ammo as you need, 5 coins. So yes, the value shifts, just depends on how much you NEED something.
I viewed at a coin per body count. Made me wonder how many people an Adjudicator had to deal with in order to get the black coin. Either that or it’s a sign of hierarchy like the Marquis pin in Chapter 4
@@Broseph359 I dare say it's not as much a coin as a token that unlike a coin, you can't refuse, it's only ever shown as a form of identification and not actually given away. So I would see it as more of a universal marker that must be honoured with multiple uses.
One coin... Will get you a life saving surgery in a back ally drs office... OR, you can buy some one a bourbon on ice. Their scale worth seems to be a tad twisted.
@@illbedamned3586 The trouble is that you're thinking about the coins like a traditional monetary system, instead of what they are: physical tokens of an otherwise intangible social currency, based on a market of favors. Theoretically, they do have "denominations," as shown by the markers, and other symbolic trinkets, but, unlike traditional currency, which is, or at least was, pinned to the value of a tangible item, or substance, the various tokens represent, at their most basic, actions. Do a small favor, get a token. Do a bigger favor, get a more substantial token. Simple, if a bit difficult to break from old thinking habits.
@@thepopstheturtleexperience9171 caine gave his eyes to the marquis as deposit. its said in the movie when he talks to nobody about the price he paid. No body had to pull his hand out the knife and caine gave his eyes to serve and be of service.
@@TheSaltiestEver your right! But the high table wouldn’t let him get near his daughter, in his opening shot when Caine listening to his daughters violen solo, and gets called to speak to the marquis, the Marquis says “you got to close today”. Cain can’t visually see his daughter, or be within a certain distance of her, or the high table will kill her!
One personal rule that John seems to follow is that any target that he is after has to see his (or her) death coming, this is mostly depicted in chapter 2 when he walks out on the floor in the museum and lets Santino see him, it would have saved him some trouble if he had shot him from the edge of the room and then evaded the guards afterward.
The Gold Coins actually solve an important problem with the Continentals. Usually, the High Table would ask for a cut of the action on any transaction with their organization. Such as John buying a drink, or ordering a customized 3-gun set of AR/Shotgun/Glock pistol. Naturally this presents an obvious opening for people to skim off the top and embezzle from the High Table. We are dealing with vendors to assassins, after all. So the High Table solves the embezzlement problem with gold coins. The price for each service is one coin per job, no matter the task. While this means John overpays for a drink and underpays for a $9,000 set of guns, it also denies anyone the chance to steal from the High Table because they control the currency. If anyone wants to convert coins to money, they have to deal with the High Table…so any opportunity for money schemes is checked there too. Pretty slick storytelling
@@GuitarsRockForever No but it does means that every employee is constantly undercut and can never actually make any money. The job pays one coin, the gear you need for the job costs one or more. At best, you break even and are working for free. At worst, you're paying them for the privilege of working for them.
If you remember when Santino hide himself in the Continental he says to John that he can eat a new dish every day and still never eat the same thing twice
The Real Assassins Creed that had nothin to do with blasphemous nonsense about aliens creating the earth... John Wick (Babayaga) is the Greatest assassin of all time who is feared by everyone in the “guild” all over the world, and equally respected by many as well. He’s legendary beyond all others, and strikes terror into his enemies...the shadow of death 💀.
Honestly. This movie series (especially the cartoonish JW 4) feels like Assassin's creed modern day. Who knows, perhaps the Continental are simply an arm of the Templars :P
@@VanAnon51 Cringe ass. And just plain wrong. There are no aliens in Assassin's Creed, the Precursor Race didn't create the Earth, simply lived in it first.
I think at the end of the day, there are two big factors that govern the rules in the John Wick universe: respect and the threat of violence. This is an inherently violent world these characters live in. So they don’t stop violence; they just try to regulate it, mostly with the threats of intense violence or loss of privileges, as is shown with their dealings with John. Most assassins follow those rules to avoid reprisal. However, there are plenty of instances where characters help each other out purely out of respect for each other, as we see with Koji and Caine in the fourth movie. The Director in the third movie honors John’s ticket for safe passage out of respect for his affiliation with the Ruska Roma. Even the first movie has an instance of that when Marcus is following John and keeping an eye out for him out of respect. But I think that’s more of an individual attribute than an institutional rule from the High Table; the High Table is ok with inconsistently upholding the rules as long as it solidifies their power. It’s why the Adjudicator cracked down on the Bowery King even though he didn’t technically or actually break any rules. And even then, the High Table does honor their word as we see with the Harbinger in the fourth movie. TL;DR, the High Table are rules lawyers that use violence to enforce the rules. Individual assassins follow their own code of honor and respect toward each other that may or may not put them in conflict with the High Table. Just my two cents on the matter.
On the topic of the blind swordsman and his retirement, based on the line about giving up his eyes I think that it's heavily implied that he literally had to blind himself in order to leave the high tables control because they did not trust him being as capable as he was at the time out in the real world. Mind you it does not look like it brought him as low as they were hoping considering that they turned back to him for help.
Additional Rule Any people who seats the table or the family of it supports it can acquire duels itself. Moreover, the duel in JW4 is somewhat an escape exit on the hands of the High Table itself but only if you challenge the Elder or any members of the High Table who has Autum Imperator and they accepted it
Zero's death really hit me, because the guy was a fanboy through and through, and to a certain extent - is INCREDIBLY relatable (excluding the whole assassin part) He was honourable as well, goddamn did that guy perform and was he a legend
The coin is effectively a favor's worth. How serious the favor is determines how many coins it's worth. More urgent or dangerous things weigh more coinage, as does the relevant skills of the people involved. I'd wager that the multiple coins paid to the cleanup crew was both for the whole crew and for knockon costs incurred (bribing cops, cleaning stray recordings, etcetera). What I'm interested in is how they are initially distributed.
In the later movies, there are shots inside several Continental hotels showing people checking coins with magnifying glasses. Winston is shown doing it himself in Chapter 2, and IIRC tells staff to "put them into circulation". In Chapter 3, Berrada (the man Sofia takes John to to find out about The Elder) mentions that the building they're in mints both coins and markers. Presumably, the Casablanca facility (and possibly more, led by those highly trusted by the High Table) produce coins. The Continentals across the world are sent shipments of coins, where they're checked over for imperfections. If they're acceptable, the Continental then circulates them. If I had to guess, they do this by swapping out damaged coins for new ones, possibly hiring people for menial tasks, and paying their staff with coins.
So much trouble could've been avoided if the Managers had the authority to remove absolutely anyone attempting to safehouse on Continental grounds. Or if there was a specific rule that Marker holders are an exception to the Continental safe harbor. After all, you could get out of a Marker obligation if your target stayed at the Continental indefinitely, creating a paradox in the two rules.
Rule is rigid to also keep the manager in check. What if he’s corrupt and give no protection to those he hates? That means he effectively disregarding the neutral ground of continental, making it useless as a rule. Target cannot stay in the hotel forever, as some point they have to leave it and the assassin can still make a move then.
well to be fair he already completed the marker so he was free to do whatever he wants, also doubt any other than a member of the high table could stay there for long periods
I like to think of the gold coins as having a financial value but also can be used as an alternative currency for simplicity purposes. I'm sure there is a currency exchange as there is for all things. And the reason John starts out with several hundred of these coins is because he knows their value and made it a point not to trade them when received. It is also a easy assumed representation that each coin represented a single assination. I also assumed these operations were cash only. So unles you wanted to carry around a briefcase full of cash, you had to carry gold coins instead.
Gold coins holds literal no monotary value I hate to be a dick but I don't know how much more clearer sofia's boss could've been when he literally explains it just a coin of the relationship of commerce it's a simply a favour or service/services token
So it is a literal representation of a "token of gratitude", or repaying a favor with a favor. If it is real gold, it literally has monetary value. Even in the outside world. They are just more valuable than the gold itself to those who use them for their intended purposes.
@@ramon4184 i know and understand this, but they do have some sort of monetary value still. The pay for the said favor or service, all which would be paid in some sort of monetary exchange in any other situation. I get what you were saying, but it just comes across wrong when you say the gold coins have literally no monetary value. Which is true and untrue at the same time. But for all intents and purposes of the comment and context, you are correct.
It should be noted that John Wick wasn't excommunicato when the Bowery King gave him the gun and 7 bullets. This means that the Bowery King didn't break any High Table rules by aiding John. So why did the Adjudicator order him to step down and then punish him with 7 sword cuts?
For some reason the sommelier has always been stuck on me since my first viewing. "...should your hands get... wet." Very cool character. I wish he was ever present from then on.
John doesn't kill unnecessarily I've noticed often giving an opponent the opportunity to withdraw and they respect him for it and will help him in return Francis comes to mind
The lore of the whole John Wick series is fascinating. I really want to see them expound on all of this and it looks like they are starting to with the next up coming movie and the TV series.
I get the sense that “don’t harm dogs” is more of an unofficial rule. A dog will never abandon you and will always love you even if your job is killing people. So I imagine that anyone would fly off the handle if their dog was killed by somebody, especially if the dog didn’t do anything to that person.
After john wick we really need a movie to just explore the entire lore of the underworld, the origins of the high table and its entire world, they can give us a scene of when the first golden coin was made
2 Japanese Continental Branches. 1st Nihon Branch and Main one. Osaka Continental 2nd off shoot Branch Called Osaka Continental in Tokyo = Osaka Continental Tokyo!
Yeah I'm pretty sure any of us would go on a giant murder spree and stack bodies until we were killed or killed everyone involved in killing our dog by any means lol the car can be replaced
@@dr.burtgummerfan439 Gotcha, I mean yeah maybe not it was definitely one-of-a-kind but it was still just a car is what I meant, basically the cold-blooded murder of anybody and everybody involved would all be because of the dog not really the car
I would make 'don't hurt animals - dogs' as unflexable as well as because I considered my dogs my dogs as part of my family and would not take kindly to anyone who tried to hurt them. A good break downn of the rules in the assassins world
John did his thing, but I'm still craving a spin off just to tie the other character arcs up in a nice bow! Maybe they bring down the high table, elder and avenge John?
It's to clarify where the location of the continental is. One can assume that the Osaka continental is in Osaka, Japan, but the actual location the movie depicts the Osaka continent is at the National Art Center in Tokyo, Japan.
The continental hotel in Japan was in Osaka, and was...funnily enough, named "The Osaka", so its a case of just saying the name of the hotel in the location But geologically, different cities
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One minor correction. It was Julius the manager of the Rome branch who stops John and Cassian in Chapter 2 not Charon as he stops John and Zero in Chapter 3. Thanks 😁 3:02
I like your take that the 0th law is “don’t hurt a dog”. OrelioS’ dialog backs it up. If you watch the scene again it’s obvious that he is more impressed/shocked by the dog bit. It’s easy to understand that he knows the rule but the kid does not
I'm going to go and see the 4th one again in theaters; possible a few more times. I loved it. I go and see the JW movies a few times when they release one.
the market was respected, santino asked jhon to do a favor, and he has to do what ever the favor is. jhon was excomunicado for killing santino IN THE CONTINENTAL, no for broken the marker
So what do the rules say about killing a potentially corrupt adjudicator just before she's about to call and have your Continental deconsecrated in retaliation, and then disposing of her body in the incinerator immediately?
I thought about that as the scene played out lmfao. Adjudicators technically don't have power so I imagine it wouldn't be more than a slap on the wrist as they're just messengers, but I suppose the punishment was fighting Zero
So, even though the title suggests you've discovered 11 rules of the High Table, and supposedly, that's ALL of their rules, you really only included 3 rules in the video. The rest aren't rules, just observations. Don't hurt a dog isn't a rule. Someone just happened to kill John's dog, and John took that personally. The only real rules you discussed were: 1 No business on Continental grounds 2 If the manager violates the rules, the Continental can be declared excommunicado 3 You must always honor your marker Everything else in the video is just observations about the movies and aren't necessarily rules of the High Table.
CHARON: "Excuse me sir, you have an...Avenger here waiting in the lobby to see you." WINSTON" Excellent, my four o'clock is here." PETER PARKER: "Sorry for the lateness, I came as soon as I could."
The one thing I'm still having trouble understanding, is if blood debts are required to be paid back, yet excommunicated people can't get help, shouldn't there be a policy where you can get your debts paid back before the excommunicado starts?
I assume the rule is absolute, meaning Hallie's character needed to oblige, Of course she'd sign her death warrant, which is a hole in the plot that has never been discussed
The High Table should've make their retirement system, for example: Every member of The Table who desired to retires from The Table must fulfill all their Markers debt and pledge their last oath to never betray The Table at all cost. Then they will be released from any obligations and orders from The Table, will not be called for any favors or services, and their status is reduced to "retired" and they are given one last task where they can live normal life as they desired but still under The Table organizations surveillance where if they are to leak any information about them will result in immediate execution.
John Wick always seems to have only one true problem in the world. Lesser men, greater in power in the world but small minded and thus arrogant and needlessly cruel don't understand that simply leaving him alone, to grieve, repair, rest, whatever, would save their lives. Instead they have to push and poke the sleeping beast, even if unknowingly doing so, like in the first movie.
Because Marcus wasn’t under contract. The contract was open and it was a verbal agreement. He only broke a gentleman’s agreement because Viggo simply asked him to do it but the contract wasn’t exclusive to Marcus.
Marcus never intended to take on the contract. It only makes sense if John completely trusts him because he could've and should've killed him at the hotel.
He didn’t fail to kill him. He had him right in his sights and when he sees Perkins enter the room he shoots the pillow to wake him up. If he wanted to he could’ve shot both of them. He missed so badly it wouldn’t even be close to a kill
Theres a multitude of reasons. Winston holds John in the highest level of esteem. He has the brains to stay on johns good side and the balls to give High Table the finger. and remember, John is called Baba Yaga... do i mean The boogeyman? No, i mean he's the one you call to kill the fucking Boogeyman!!!
@@firdauswahab8485 winston respects john wick and gave him an hour to escape. Winton doesn't not respect or like perkins so he didn't give her the same courtesy he gave wick
As much as the rules are putting the life of crime in a romantic light, I gotta admit: It is a wonderful fiction. It basically says: "We are scum, but even we have rules that we follow. Lest we turn into rabid animals." Very interesting 'verse. And very good video! Thanks for going through the work to do it =)
One rule you might not have seen, but in the high table duels. both combatants must have shot, before the next round. This is a big reason why the end happened the way it did. Not wanting to give out spoilers, for those who haven't seen it, but it is a hint
That's really more of a dueling rule than a High Table rule though, as the duelists could pick any weapon they wanted. In Chapter 4, when the duel was arranged, using "knives" in particular was requested. John just won the round so pistols were used. The high table rule would seem more that you have to honor the terms of the duel, regardless of any specific dueling rules in place.
@@johnweatherman5685, I assume there are different rules for different combat weapons. The reason the Marquis was surprised and probably scared was because he was dead either way. If the rule is in place, then he shoots JW, he'll die by the Harbingers hand, If he didn't shoot (per the rule till JW shot), he was dead by JW's hand. That is the way i interpreted it. because he had time when Winston told him "he didn't shoot", yet he didn't
Let us be honest. the High Table is the metaphorical mountain and the systems of assassins are likely direct successors of the oldest, first sect, the Hashishim.
Slight misinterpretation with the Old dueling laws. The Old dueling is first done with a meeting, where there are 10 cards dealt to either person. The Duel is first discussed with 4 specifics to set as part of the duel to be made official and binding. The specifics are Location, weapons, time, and condition. If both parties agree to a requested specific, then the next is requested. In cases where each party has a different desire for the specific term of the duel, they flip one of the cards in front of them, highest number gets it their way. Which is why John Wick got pistols, but the Marquis got both Sacre Cour, and Sunrise, as terms for the duel, while they both agreed to No Quarter (to the death). They aren't pre-determined, its discussed, just like an old school duel.
I think the coin meant for how great the favor must be done, like checking a hotel room, asking for guns and tools and other simple tasks requires less coins but something like evidence disposal and other high value deeds have more price
as far as giving the clean up guy multipul coins, he was actually giving him one coin per body. you can tell this during his "reservation" chat. Its a damn good series.
Self Mutilation does not inspire loyalty, nor not providing for your assassins. There should be a filtering process or set of rules for high table members to follow and go through, and none of it should rely on bloodlines or wealth. We see John fighting against this in every chapter
There is a loophole in roles. In John Wick 2, when Bowry King helped John, John wasn't excommunicado, he just had open contract. So technically, Bowry King had no restriction to help John. It is weird that in the end High Table considered it as a help, which lead to breaking the rules. In this case everybody else, who provided services to John should be punished too, which didn't happen. Also, hierarchy of rules is not clear as well. When ballet mother helped John to go to Africa due to having a mark, she still suffered punishment. Similar case with Russka Roma. High Table worked not in the relation to rules, as they punished by their own justification and not related to exact rules defined.
I always believed that since John was out that the rules about the marker should no longer apply. He was retired, out, and should no longer had been beholden to the marker or its holder.
The rules are whatever the script calls for in the scene. They are neither tied together nor cohesive. Wick was framed by someone on the council or w/e it's called in the 2nd movie and he was then punished not that person, even though it was known or learned that John was innocent.
No Harm to Dogs. All Markers must be Honored. The Coin Value, 1.5 Troy, approximately $1.200 to $2.000 each Source of Gold, from the Continental West, where the law of dueling is Sport and Gambling. Do you want to earn a Coin? No one refuses!
I would say the last rule is more of a personal thing than one regulated by the Table or a Contintental. Including what said dog represents, like John's first dog.
3:08 It wasn't Charon who stopped John Wick and Cassian(Gianna D'Antonio's bodyguard) from conducting business on Continental grounds, it was Julian, the manager of the Continental in Rome.
Than animals itself??? I'm sorry but no. Just no. Sometimes rules make us worse than animals. Also guarantee that's been said at least 10,000+ times before you. Maybe the bad grammar makes it unique.
Amazing, john wick broke pratically all the rules by the time it was all over. Somebody had to clean out the house. Sadly we wont see Johnathon in anymore future episodes of the franchise except in retrospect.
I always wondered what would happen if someone used a marker to have some one assassinated but the person being assassinated used their marker to prevent the assassin from killing them
In the John Wick universe, Respect is the most important thing. John was saved many times by other characters even by giving their lives because they respected the man.
And to think he did it in return as well. That's not only honorable, but professional too. He returned the courtesy that was given to him many times when he asked for help.
@@ythandlename he also gave cassian a chance to live like the bowery king
yeah. i think that's why even though they say john doesnt have a lot of friends, those friends are willing to help him even if it's risking their lives.
compared to big bosses who have people on their sides using power, fear, benefits(if tides changes and tables turned, they might not stay), john earns his bonds with his humanity. can tell by the friendly atmosphere when they see john returned.
The gold coins are considered favours per action. Clean 0ut 8 bodies, 8 coins. 1 room? 1 coin, 5 guns and as much ammo as you need, 5 coins. So yes, the value shifts, just depends on how much you NEED something.
Also information is more important why the Scholar/Map holder in JW2 was paid more than the rest of the shop he went.
Throw a coin at the high table each and tell them to go off themselves 😂
As Berrada said about the coin
It does not represent monatery value, but the commerce of relationship; social contract in which you agreed to partake.
I viewed at a coin per body count. Made me wonder how many people an Adjudicator had to deal with in order to get the black coin. Either that or it’s a sign of hierarchy like the Marquis pin in Chapter 4
@@Broseph359 I dare say it's not as much a coin as a token that unlike a coin, you can't refuse, it's only ever shown as a form of identification and not actually given away. So I would see it as more of a universal marker that must be honoured with multiple uses.
One coin is basically one "thing" or one "favor". If you count the coins he gave to the clean-up crew it was one coin per body
you mean that dinner reservation for 12?
Also, they earn it by finishing a task per coin. I guess.
One coin... Will get you a life saving surgery in a back ally drs office... OR, you can buy some one a bourbon on ice.
Their scale worth seems to be a tad twisted.
@@illbedamned3586 The trouble is that you're thinking about the coins like a traditional monetary system, instead of what they are: physical tokens of an otherwise intangible social currency, based on a market of favors.
Theoretically, they do have "denominations," as shown by the markers, and other symbolic trinkets, but, unlike traditional currency, which is, or at least was, pinned to the value of a tangible item, or substance, the various tokens represent, at their most basic, actions. Do a small favor, get a token. Do a bigger favor, get a more substantial token. Simple, if a bit difficult to break from old thinking habits.
Values of a coin can vary, depending on whose coins they are from.
Thought the price that Caine paid was to never see his daughter again, so he blind himself.
when was that established?
@@thepopstheturtleexperience9171 caine gave his eyes to the marquis as deposit. its said in the movie when he talks to nobody about the price he paid. No body had to pull his hand out the knife and caine gave his eyes to serve and be of service.
I don't think so...
@@TheSaltiestEver your right! But the high table wouldn’t let him get near his daughter, in his opening shot when Caine listening to his daughters violen solo, and gets called to speak to the marquis, the Marquis says “you got to close today”. Cain can’t visually see his daughter, or be within a certain distance of her, or the high table will kill her!
@@gabehardin7331 well the good thing is that he is very free now
One personal rule that John seems to follow is that any target that he is after has to see his (or her) death coming, this is mostly depicted in chapter 2 when he walks out on the floor in the museum and lets Santino see him, it would have saved him some trouble if he had shot him from the edge of the room and then evaded the guards afterward.
What about the first movie where he sniped a bunch of dudes from miles away?
@@boomsaway3 They're just collateral. But the main targets see him coming.
Feels like FGO's version of the first Hassan, on the very last minute, only the victim sees and knows he's after them and knows that they will die.
@@boomsaway3 Those are side characters, they don’t get that privilege
It's very subtle, but is so badass lol
The Gold Coins actually solve an important problem with the Continentals. Usually, the High Table would ask for a cut of the action on any transaction with their organization. Such as John buying a drink, or ordering a customized 3-gun set of AR/Shotgun/Glock pistol. Naturally this presents an obvious opening for people to skim off the top and embezzle from the High Table. We are dealing with vendors to assassins, after all.
So the High Table solves the embezzlement problem with gold coins. The price for each service is one coin per job, no matter the task. While this means John overpays for a drink and underpays for a $9,000 set of guns, it also denies anyone the chance to steal from the High Table because they control the currency. If anyone wants to convert coins to money, they have to deal with the High Table…so any opportunity for money schemes is checked there too. Pretty slick storytelling
also when you clear the boddies it is 1 coin per body
source?
@@meliorbutterfly watch closelly the movies.
That makes perfect sense. One coin per job, there is no way to undercut the boss.
@@GuitarsRockForever No but it does means that every employee is constantly undercut and can never actually make any money. The job pays one coin, the gear you need for the job costs one or more. At best, you break even and are working for free. At worst, you're paying them for the privilege of working for them.
Real question is: Does the Continental provide a full breakfast bar or just muffins/juice. Precisely how "Continental" is the Continental.
I share your concern 😂
If you remember when Santino hide himself in the Continental he says to John that he can eat a new dish every day and still never eat the same thing twice
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@@MusicmanEJB indeed
The Real Assassins Creed that had nothin to do with blasphemous nonsense about aliens creating the earth...
John Wick (Babayaga) is the Greatest assassin of all time who is feared by everyone in the “guild” all over the world, and equally respected by many as well. He’s legendary beyond all others, and strikes terror into his enemies...the shadow of death 💀.
Honestly. This movie series (especially the cartoonish JW 4) feels like Assassin's creed modern day.
Who knows, perhaps the Continental are simply an arm of the Templars :P
@@VanAnon51 Cringe ass. And just plain wrong. There are no aliens in Assassin's Creed, the Precursor Race didn't create the Earth, simply lived in it first.
I think at the end of the day, there are two big factors that govern the rules in the John Wick universe: respect and the threat of violence. This is an inherently violent world these characters live in. So they don’t stop violence; they just try to regulate it, mostly with the threats of intense violence or loss of privileges, as is shown with their dealings with John. Most assassins follow those rules to avoid reprisal. However, there are plenty of instances where characters help each other out purely out of respect for each other, as we see with Koji and Caine in the fourth movie. The Director in the third movie honors John’s ticket for safe passage out of respect for his affiliation with the Ruska Roma. Even the first movie has an instance of that when Marcus is following John and keeping an eye out for him out of respect. But I think that’s more of an individual attribute than an institutional rule from the High Table; the High Table is ok with inconsistently upholding the rules as long as it solidifies their power. It’s why the Adjudicator cracked down on the Bowery King even though he didn’t technically or actually break any rules. And even then, the High Table does honor their word as we see with the Harbinger in the fourth movie.
TL;DR, the High Table are rules lawyers that use violence to enforce the rules. Individual assassins follow their own code of honor and respect toward each other that may or may not put them in conflict with the High Table.
Just my two cents on the matter.
On the topic of the blind swordsman and his retirement, based on the line about giving up his eyes I think that it's heavily implied that he literally had to blind himself in order to leave the high tables control because they did not trust him being as capable as he was at the time out in the real world.
Mind you it does not look like it brought him as low as they were hoping considering that they turned back to him for help.
It’s Caine
I think it has to do more with why he left (well he sort of left). He wanted his daughter to be safe. So they made sure he could never see her again.
There is also the rule, that no innocents can be killed. And since dogs are pure souls... John just went to avenge the death of an innocent.
His wife wasn’t she also innocent or did she pass before
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She passed from illness.
The moral of John Wick is don’t be a dick and don’t kill dogs
When you said Osaka was in Tokyo I felt the geography coming inside of me considering they are both different cities
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It’s like New York hotel in Washington DC. 😂
Additional Rule
Any people who seats the table or the family of it supports it can acquire duels itself. Moreover, the duel in JW4 is somewhat an escape exit on the hands of the High Table itself but only if you challenge the Elder or any members of the High Table who has Autum Imperator and they accepted it
Winston's most badass moment was when he told the Marquis "You arrogant asshole!....He didn't shoot."
Zero's death really hit me, because the guy was a fanboy through and through, and to a certain extent - is INCREDIBLY relatable (excluding the whole assassin part)
He was honourable as well, goddamn did that guy perform and was he a legend
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@@CubeInspector how bout we keep doing it :)
@@CubeInspector Jesus Christ, stay out of goddamn comment sections if all you're going to do is preach about your cult.
The coin is effectively a favor's worth. How serious the favor is determines how many coins it's worth. More urgent or dangerous things weigh more coinage, as does the relevant skills of the people involved. I'd wager that the multiple coins paid to the cleanup crew was both for the whole crew and for knockon costs incurred (bribing cops, cleaning stray recordings, etcetera). What I'm interested in is how they are initially distributed.
In the later movies, there are shots inside several Continental hotels showing people checking coins with magnifying glasses. Winston is shown doing it himself in Chapter 2, and IIRC tells staff to "put them into circulation". In Chapter 3, Berrada (the man Sofia takes John to to find out about The Elder) mentions that the building they're in mints both coins and markers.
Presumably, the Casablanca facility (and possibly more, led by those highly trusted by the High Table) produce coins. The Continentals across the world are sent shipments of coins, where they're checked over for imperfections. If they're acceptable, the Continental then circulates them. If I had to guess, they do this by swapping out damaged coins for new ones, possibly hiring people for menial tasks, and paying their staff with coins.
@@MythicRanger2401 New York continental gave coin printing to Bowery. That was an outcome of Continental series.
So much trouble could've been avoided if the Managers had the authority to remove absolutely anyone attempting to safehouse on Continental grounds. Or if there was a specific rule that Marker holders are an exception to the Continental safe harbor. After all, you could get out of a Marker obligation if your target stayed at the Continental indefinitely, creating a paradox in the two rules.
Rule is rigid to also keep the manager in check. What if he’s corrupt and give no protection to those he hates? That means he effectively disregarding the neutral ground of continental, making it useless as a rule. Target cannot stay in the hotel forever, as some point they have to leave it and the assassin can still make a move then.
well to be fair he already completed the marker so he was free to do whatever he wants, also doubt any other than a member of the high table could stay there for long periods
I like to think of the gold coins as having a financial value but also can be used as an alternative currency for simplicity purposes. I'm sure there is a currency exchange as there is for all things. And the reason John starts out with several hundred of these coins is because he knows their value and made it a point not to trade them when received.
It is also a easy assumed representation that each coin represented a single assination.
I also assumed these operations were cash only. So unles you wanted to carry around a briefcase full of cash, you had to carry gold coins instead.
Gold coins holds literal no monotary value I hate to be a dick but I don't know how much more clearer sofia's boss could've been when he literally explains it just a coin of the relationship of commerce it's a simply a favour or service/services token
So it is a literal representation of a "token of gratitude", or repaying a favor with a favor. If it is real gold, it literally has monetary value. Even in the outside world. They are just more valuable than the gold itself to those who use them for their intended purposes.
@@Gottiline_Ace obviously gold is worth something but in the wick universe it's a coin for a favor/service it's not used as money
@@ramon4184 i know and understand this, but they do have some sort of monetary value still. The pay for the said favor or service, all which would be paid in some sort of monetary exchange in any other situation. I get what you were saying, but it just comes across wrong when you say the gold coins have literally no monetary value. Which is true and untrue at the same time. But for all intents and purposes of the comment and context, you are correct.
The most important fact is the High Table existed for a long time, even before any governments. Just shows how influential they are
It should be noted that John Wick wasn't excommunicato when the Bowery King gave him the gun and 7 bullets. This means that the Bowery King didn't break any High Table rules by aiding John. So why did the Adjudicator order him to step down and then punish him with 7 sword cuts?
Because they can
reasonable suspicion maybe? it could've been a flaw that the directors overlooked as well
Because he gave John the gun used to kill Santino on company ground. Santino was also a member of the High Table. Double problem.
@@bf945 killing high table members is allowed tho. Like Santino's sister
@@ML-sc3pt not in the continental. Ence John wick 3 happening
"Honor among thieves? There ain't no such thing."-Richard Kuklinski, The Ice Man.
For some reason the sommelier has always been stuck on me since my first viewing. "...should your hands get... wet."
Very cool character. I wish he was ever present from then on.
3:13 that was the Rome Continental, wasnt Charron who told them to stop but the Rome Manager.
Julius was the Rome Manager's name.
John doesn't kill unnecessarily I've noticed often giving an opponent the opportunity to withdraw and they respect him for it and will help him in return Francis comes to mind
The lore of the whole John Wick series is fascinating. I really want to see them expound on all of this and it looks like they are starting to with the next up coming movie and the TV series.
I get the sense that “don’t harm dogs” is more of an unofficial rule. A dog will never abandon you and will always love you even if your job is killing people. So I imagine that anyone would fly off the handle if their dog was killed by somebody, especially if the dog didn’t do anything to that person.
100%, I feel that's a universal rule. I know I'd learn guerilla warfare tactics if someone hurt my girl.
Best part of John Wick was "you hurt the doggo, you get hurt. So don't hurt the doggo"
the rule about the dog, might be a new rule that the high table put in after john went all.... john wick on them
After john wick we really need a movie to just explore the entire lore of the underworld, the origins of the high table and its entire world, they can give us a scene of when the first golden coin was made
The show comes out soon
"...The Osaka Continental in Tokyo"
Try reading that back slowly
2 Japanese Continental Branches. 1st Nihon Branch and Main one. Osaka Continental
2nd off shoot Branch Called Osaka Continental in Tokyo = Osaka Continental Tokyo!
@@WERNUTZ Except the Osaka Continental is very much in Osaka, not Tokyo.
@@BlueJohnXD hey Atleast it ain't Osaka Continental in Florida!
The biggest rule of them all NEVER HURT THE DOG.
I agree no killing dogs is number 1.
Yeah I'm pretty sure any of us would go on a giant murder spree and stack bodies until we were killed or killed everyone involved in killing our dog by any means lol the car can be replaced
@@brianstanton2721 Did you even SEE the movie?
@@dr.burtgummerfan439 every one except the last one, and if someone killed my dog and stole my car it'd be a problem. Not sure why your asking
@@brianstanton2721 I misread the first part of your comment as sarcasm.
But still the car couldn't be replaced.
@@dr.burtgummerfan439 Gotcha, I mean yeah maybe not it was definitely one-of-a-kind but it was still just a car is what I meant, basically the cold-blooded murder of anybody and everybody involved would all be because of the dog not really the car
I would make 'don't hurt animals - dogs' as unflexable as well as because I considered my dogs my dogs as part of my family and would not take kindly to anyone who tried to hurt them. A good break downn of the rules in the assassins world
John did his thing, but I'm still craving a spin off just to tie the other character arcs up in a nice bow! Maybe they bring down the high table, elder and avenge John?
"the OSAKA continental in TOKYO" weird like saying LA continential in BOSTON
lets be a little bit fairer, weird like saying LA Continental in San Francisco 😂
It's to clarify where the location of the continental is. One can assume that the Osaka continental is in Osaka, Japan, but the actual location the movie depicts the Osaka continent is at the National Art Center in Tokyo, Japan.
@@kevinsinger2 the NY continental run by Winston isn’t called “the Manhattan continental in NY”...
@@kevinsinger2 what a load of rubbish
The continental hotel in Japan was in Osaka, and was...funnily enough, named "The Osaka", so its a case of just saying the name of the hotel in the location
But geologically, different cities
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One minor correction. It was Julius the manager of the Rome branch who stops John and Cassian in Chapter 2 not Charon as he stops John and Zero in Chapter 3. Thanks 😁
3:02
10:13 is clarified when you did pay close Attention to the Hitmen he killed in his House back in the First Movie: 12 Bodies = 1 Coin per Body.
This franchise was thought out really well foreal 💯
I like your take that the 0th law is “don’t hurt a dog”. OrelioS’ dialog backs it up. If you watch the scene again it’s obvious that he is more impressed/shocked by the dog bit. It’s easy to understand that he knows the rule but the kid does not
I'm going to go and see the 4th one again in theaters; possible a few more times. I loved it. I go and see the JW movies a few times when they release one.
The most respect rule, no one hurt the dog.😂
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“This hotel has been condemned. You have 1 hour.”
There's one thing that still bothers me Santino violation and the marker was never used to clear Wick's name
It wasn't about the marker it was because he killed santino, santino only tried to kill John to cover up his tracks
@@izacgarcia708 it’s because John deleted Santino on continental grounds.
the market was respected, santino asked jhon to do a favor, and he has to do what ever the favor is.
jhon was excomunicado for killing santino IN THE CONTINENTAL, no for broken the marker
@@VanAnon51 lmao
So what do the rules say about killing a potentially corrupt adjudicator just before she's about to call and have your Continental deconsecrated in retaliation, and then disposing of her body in the incinerator immediately?
I thought about that as the scene played out lmfao. Adjudicators technically don't have power so I imagine it wouldn't be more than a slap on the wrist as they're just messengers, but I suppose the punishment was fighting Zero
I was so hoping we would get to see her taken out in JW 4 but she wasn't even in it. What a shame.
Then you’ll get another adjudicator showing up….
@@mudyao it's the harbeinger now
@@moelester3141 yes point being, shot one, another will replace
So, even though the title suggests you've discovered 11 rules of the High Table, and supposedly, that's ALL of their rules, you really only included 3 rules in the video. The rest aren't rules, just observations. Don't hurt a dog isn't a rule. Someone just happened to kill John's dog, and John took that personally. The only real rules you discussed were:
1 No business on Continental grounds
2 If the manager violates the rules, the Continental can be declared excommunicado
3 You must always honor your marker
Everything else in the video is just observations about the movies and aren't necessarily rules of the High Table.
CHARON: "Excuse me sir, you have an...Avenger here waiting in the lobby to see you."
WINSTON" Excellent, my four o'clock is here."
PETER PARKER: "Sorry for the lateness, I came as soon as I could."
The one thing I'm still having trouble understanding, is if blood debts are required to be paid back, yet excommunicated people can't get help, shouldn't there be a policy where you can get your debts paid back before the excommunicado starts?
Nope. The debts are lost
@@ML-sc3ptas we see in a third movie, not at all
I assume the rule is absolute, meaning Hallie's character needed to oblige, Of course she'd sign her death warrant, which is a hole in the plot that has never been discussed
Seems like the Marker is the highest rule of all as it was the only one that was actually followed throughout the series
The High Table should've make their retirement system, for example: Every member of The Table who desired to retires from The Table must fulfill all their Markers debt and pledge their last oath to never betray The Table at all cost. Then they will be released from any obligations and orders from The Table, will not be called for any favors or services, and their status is reduced to "retired" and they are given one last task where they can live normal life as they desired but still under The Table organizations surveillance where if they are to leak any information about them will result in immediate execution.
I wonder what would happen if the actual cops were after you and you went in the continental.
John Wick always seems to have only one true problem in the world.
Lesser men, greater in power in the world but small minded and thus arrogant and needlessly cruel don't understand that simply leaving him alone, to grieve, repair, rest, whatever, would save their lives.
Instead they have to push and poke the sleeping beast, even if unknowingly doing so, like in the first movie.
In fairness, that seems to be part of the monomyth to a great extent.
The actress who played Miss Perkins also played Bobbi (S.H.I.E.L.D. agent). 🥰🥰
damn I just love the electric noise zapping my ears every 30 seconds!
Really a great concept of the continental, it's like home base. Rules and consequences.
Already a classic, great movie.
Something that you can assume about John's marker is that he went to Santino to get help to do Viggo's task. I think Santino states as such
What about the cardinal rule? Where Marcus from the first film failed to kill John for viggo
Because Marcus wasn’t under contract. The contract was open and it was a verbal agreement. He only broke a gentleman’s agreement because Viggo simply asked him to do it but the contract wasn’t exclusive to Marcus.
Bro John was sleeping in the continental hotel when he had that sniper on him
Marcus never intended to take on the contract. It only makes sense if John completely trusts him because he could've and should've killed him at the hotel.
@@780Mamba Marcus shed no blood.
He didn’t fail to kill him. He had him right in his sights and when he sees Perkins enter the room he shoots the pillow to wake him up. If he wanted to he could’ve shot both of them. He missed so badly it wouldn’t even be close to a kill
I just realized Wick just got exiled but Perkins got executed. They committed the same kind of rule-breaking.
Theres a multitude of reasons. Winston holds John in the highest level of esteem. He has the brains to stay on johns good side and the balls to give High Table the finger. and remember, John is called Baba Yaga... do i mean The boogeyman? No, i mean he's the one you call to kill the fucking Boogeyman!!!
Perkins was excommunicated and because of that she was executed
@@firdauswahab8485 winston respects john wick and gave him an hour to escape. Winton doesn't not respect or like perkins so he didn't give her the same courtesy he gave wick
Best rule of all: Don’t kill the dog!
Makes sense now why John lost his mind over his Wife’s gift, the puppy.
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As much as the rules are putting the life of crime in a romantic light, I gotta admit: It is a wonderful fiction.
It basically says: "We are scum, but even we have rules that we follow. Lest we turn into rabid animals."
Very interesting 'verse.
And very good video! Thanks for going through the work to do it =)
One rule you might not have seen, but in the high table duels. both combatants must have shot, before the next round. This is a big reason why the end happened the way it did. Not wanting to give out spoilers, for those who haven't seen it, but it is a hint
That's really more of a dueling rule than a High Table rule though, as the duelists could pick any weapon they wanted. In Chapter 4, when the duel was arranged, using "knives" in particular was requested. John just won the round so pistols were used. The high table rule would seem more that you have to honor the terms of the duel, regardless of any specific dueling rules in place.
@@johnweatherman5685, I assume there are different rules for different combat weapons. The reason the Marquis was surprised and probably scared was because he was dead either way. If the rule is in place, then he shoots JW, he'll die by the Harbingers hand, If he didn't shoot (per the rule till JW shot), he was dead by JW's hand. That is the way i interpreted it. because he had time when Winston told him "he didn't shoot", yet he didn't
Always great videos!
Let us be honest. the High Table is the metaphorical mountain and the systems of assassins are likely direct successors of the oldest, first sect, the Hashishim.
Look, dogs are man's best friend. They have empathy. Even pit bulls are empathetic and nanny dogs
The ultimate rule: Don't hurt or harm John Wick's dog, or he will make sure you suffer
Slight misinterpretation with the Old dueling laws.
The Old dueling is first done with a meeting, where there are 10 cards dealt to either person. The Duel is first discussed with 4 specifics to set as part of the duel to be made official and binding.
The specifics are Location, weapons, time, and condition.
If both parties agree to a requested specific, then the next is requested. In cases where each party has a different desire for the specific term of the duel, they flip one of the cards in front of them, highest number gets it their way. Which is why John Wick got pistols, but the Marquis got both Sacre Cour, and Sunrise, as terms for the duel, while they both agreed to No Quarter (to the death).
They aren't pre-determined, its discussed, just like an old school duel.
The actress who played Miss Perkins also played Commander Greyson in The Orville.
Well-done! Thank you :)
John got really lucky to win the choice of the weapon. "Blades" would have been a total loss.
Would love to see some John Wick world lore why, about the number 1 rule.
I think the coin meant for how great the favor must be done, like checking a hotel room, asking for guns and tools and other simple tasks requires less coins but something like evidence disposal and other high value deeds have more price
John only seems to follow the rulz when it benefits him
An assassin seems to also be able to ask for mercy by saying, “be seeing you.”
as far as giving the clean up guy multipul coins, he was actually giving him one coin per body. you can tell this during his "reservation" chat. Its a damn good series.
Where is the Continental in Australia? Asking for a friend 😂
Self Mutilation does not inspire loyalty, nor not providing for your assassins. There should be a filtering process or set of rules for high table members to follow and go through, and none of it should rely on bloodlines or wealth. We see John fighting against this in every chapter
The problem with criminals is that they don't obey rules. It's hard enough to make rules work with you're dealing with normal people.
What happens if a regular person stumbles across the Continental and tries to get a room, thinking it’s a hotel for everyone?
There is a loophole in roles. In John Wick 2, when Bowry King helped John, John wasn't excommunicado, he just had open contract. So technically, Bowry King had no restriction to help John. It is weird that in the end High Table considered it as a help, which lead to breaking the rules. In this case everybody else, who provided services to John should be punished too, which didn't happen. Also, hierarchy of rules is not clear as well. When ballet mother helped John to go to Africa due to having a mark, she still suffered punishment. Similar case with Russka Roma. High Table worked not in the relation to rules, as they punished by their own justification and not related to exact rules defined.
Without the rules, we live among the animals. The rules must be honored and obeyed.
I always wondered why he gave a stack of coins to the guy that showed him a map to the catacombs.
SHA-rone?!? 😂 That’s more than words man 😂😂
I can’t wait for the spin-off series to explore more of this world building
Got to love those who stand by John
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I always believed that since John was out that the rules about the marker should no longer apply. He was retired, out, and should no longer had been beholden to the marker or its holder.
The rules are whatever the script calls for in the scene. They are neither tied together nor cohesive. Wick was framed by someone on the council or w/e it's called in the 2nd movie and he was then punished not that person, even though it was known or learned that John was innocent.
Ah the dog rule... The only rule i can wholeheartedly follow...
No Harm to Dogs.
All Markers must be Honored.
The Coin Value, 1.5 Troy, approximately $1.200 to $2.000 each
Source of Gold, from the Continental West, where the law of dueling is Sport and Gambling.
Do you want to earn a Coin?
No one refuses!
8:39 nice homage to the late David Carradine and Kung-fu The Legend Continues TV series.
I would say the last rule is more of a personal thing than one regulated by the Table or a Contintental. Including what said dog represents, like John's first dog.
3:08 It wasn't Charon who stopped John Wick and Cassian(Gianna D'Antonio's bodyguard) from conducting business on Continental grounds, it was Julian, the manager of the Continental in Rome.
"Sometimes rules make us worst than animals itself"- me
Than animals itself??? I'm sorry but no. Just no. Sometimes rules make us worse than animals. Also guarantee that's been said at least 10,000+ times before you. Maybe the bad grammar makes it unique.
@@zgtolerance5631 Who has said it before me ? and yes the purpouse of using bad grammer is to make it unique
@@IRLGigachad7718 it's not a unique phrase, it's been said many a time in history
cool video, only thing I'd point out is the volume mixing between narration and movie audio isn't super balanced, but other than that, this was great
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I've been waiting for them to give us actual lore on this assasins guild
Amazing, john wick broke pratically all the rules by the time it was all over. Somebody had to clean out the house. Sadly we wont see Johnathon in anymore future episodes of the franchise except in retrospect.
I always wondered what would happen if someone used a marker to have some one assassinated but the person being assassinated used their marker to prevent the assassin from killing them