Thanks for reminding the viewers about the history of league. Honestly too many new to league can't seem to comprehend the degree of dominance Faker/Skt had back in the day
This. You can tell how many fans just started watching from 2018, because they completely ignore how insane the dominance of Faker/SKT and to some extent the LCK used to be.
he was the only player in T1 who have not undergone any trails/ interview, just straight up lined in the roster. back then when you ask other players they said they have to change role because when they meet faker in solo que they just get destroyed. faker was a different beast back in the day.
I think people needs to remember what Ruler said during the teaser with JDG vs T1.. That the constant pressure to always win can really get to you.. And Faker(despite being a world champ or not) always have that pressure from then till now just because of the weight the name "Faker" carries. It amazed me how strong his mentality is depite some of his what people called "Shaker" moments... The person is still human and i wish T1 fans or even Faker fans can see that.
I remember the documentary about him when it was first time revealed he was seeing a mental health professional. It really made me cry, esp. when we get to hear what he shared to his psychiatrist. As someone who had followed athletes from other sports (local basketball and the NBA, volleyball, etc. and then started watching League tournaments in 2017-2018), it isn't uncommon but to witness him (someone who rarely show how he feels to the public esp. back in the day) show his pain, it opened my eyes to how extremely mentally exhausting playing League is. It cementing my strong respect for Faker since then. And now, he got his well-deserved 4th Worlds title
I don't think people realize how many questions Huni answered, it is so hard to measure Faker's impact on a team because of the seemingly intangible factors, but Huni helped conceptualize it so well. Faker is a complete facilitator of SR and naturally makes the game exponentially easier for his team, and it is hard to realize this unless he is removed which happened when Poby stepped in.
T1 has an advantage in the red side draft over other teams because of, yes, the bot picks but also because they are the only ones able to play Azir into Orianna. They are not forced to ban out Orianna just because of Faker. I think this is what Huni was trying to say when he mentioned about Faker being able to play both Azir and Orianna.
Though the meta was heavy bot meta. I feel kkoma realized after then they should've played through their strengths which was faker. Since he did say it was his best form. They shouldn't have played how the meta present then was dictated.
This year feels like where the rest of the LCK is playing classical music, and the LPL is playing rock, T1’s current iteration has finally broken free from classical and is schooling the LPL with Jazz. They’re not afraid to take risks and make mistakes as individuals, and the rest of the team is right there to turn that mistake into a key change. T1 is straight up vamping on the world.
this analogy mightve been true several years ago, but many lck teams have actually begun to adapt to the lpl's more aggressive style. honestly, the rest of the lck teams just got outplayed, wouldnt say they lost due to meta/playstyle differences. aftearll, both quarterfinals were fairly close.
@@鹦鹉-l8o dont think so, geng tried to pull "lets wait for them to make mistakes, and take advantage from it" which they usually do it against t1 but it doesnt work against lpl, you have to be aggressive to beat them.
i love huni so much, please thank him for us for coming out to do this interview. we also cant say enough about faker and his legacy, truly the greatest of all time. and as others have said, thanks for giving a history lesson for this newer players, league is a vast game with a deep history over the last 10 years.
You're a great host Jatt. You know when to let people talk and not interrupt. Keep doing what you're doing, a lot of us might be silent but we're all supporting you. Great job on covering the Worlds 2023! Thank you for showing behind the scenes.
What huni said about peaking in msi and feeling not satisfied and only feeling a matter of fact that it was just normal, is exactly what guma felt which was the down fall of lat year's "supposed" clear chance for t1 to win their 4th trophy. That's just wild.
So glad to see Huni on here, he's my favorite player of all time, as a top lane main, he made pro play so excited to watch in his first 3 years, I never really watch LEC but I watched every Fnatic game the year he was there because he was just so fun to watch.
43:20. Damn so I rewatched this (SKT vs EDG 2017, Faker's Shockwave game) and yeah Huni was right lmao. All 4 of them walked towards Baron for a second but Faker was like nah, push 2 towers then Baron. Faker is 100% the shotcaller this just proves it even more.
@@urvashibisht7320 I mean literally just watch SKT EDG Group stage 2017. It has the infamous comeback with Faker's shockwave will find them all by CaptainFlowers. Then just watch what the whole team does after they aced them.
I know its probably just a small quirk of speaking in a second language, but the fact that Huni calls him "The Faker" so many times is just so great. Man is so good he earned the "the"
It's such a beautiful episode, thank you for doing all the players and teams so much justice Jatt. WBG, JDG, T1, we can see how much the win would mean to any of them. Makes me hope for more international tournaments/games in the future, because all of these teams definitely deserve more chances to show themselves.
My first ever expirence with e-Sports was when a friend of mine told me about Skt - the best team in the world. I only started playing league back then (Season 7). So I have never seen Faker win Worlds live myself. And it always felt I was too late to expirence his peak. But right now it just feels like that he plays his heart out, to the fullest and that he and T1 just give it all to win it. Without Faker and e-Sport I dont think, that I would still play League. But seeing him play at his highest, it just motivates me to play League and to have fun with it. Idk he just has something to him that no other player in the world has. The LoL Community can be so happy that he is our GOAT and Face of the game.
Man looking back this video after Final, Huni's prediction and analysis on how top played an important role to win @1:05:00 is incredible😂 i mean its not that surprising coming from the GOAT himself.
i have been a SKT fan since 2017, and SKT2017 lineup still keep a special place in my heart, they were my first SKT team, i still support and love each of them. But back then after they lost the worlds final, all i can think about is Faker collapsing on the stage, then 6 years passed with so many other up and down moments, and i never wanna look back on that moment. Now, seeing Huni talking about them being confident at 6040, 7030 and Kkoma still apologizing, i have realized it’s not just Faker, other members were also collapsing, i just did not see that. Now i can see how Huni and Kkoma regret about that, and maybe also Bang, Wolf, Blank, Peanut, i’m crying again, after 6 years
Jatt, thanks for the content you make. I'm a 33 yr old long time League fan, I was only getting into League when Faker first won worlds. 10 years later, your podcast accompanied me on my climb of Ingwangsan mountain in Seoul, a day before I attend my first world championship final. Much love from an Australian fan ❤❤❤
I like the idea of the 4 eras, but this is how I would segment it: 1. OG era (2013-2014) The Impact, Bengi, Faker, Piglet, Poohmandu roster 2. Faker Bang Wolf era (2015-2018) The core of this roster was Bengi, Blank, Faker, Bang, Wolf (I believe Blank should be included because he made immense contributions 2016-2018) The other important members are Marin, Duke, Peanut and Huni The important/notable subs were easyhoon, Tom and Untara 3. The messy era/Faker-Teddy Era (2019-2021) I include the entire 2021 in this because though Guma played many games at the second half of summer onwards, Teddy was instrumental to getting them to summer finals though he didnt play in worlds 2019: Khan, Clid, Faker, Teddy, Mata, Effort 2020: Notably Canna and Cuzz were added 2021: Notably Keria was added and Oner and Guma earmed starting positions at the end 4. The ZOFGK era (2022-present) Don’t think this one needs any introduction
I think 2018 should be its own era called the cursed era The roster was dreadful, the roster changes were worse. Faker needed to be subbed out, not because he was bad but because his team couldn’t do anything when he wasn’t hard carrying. When you looked at the games he seemed desperate to make plays because his team was just so bad. And Faker had his downs too, he got caught I think 11 times side lanes. (Which is still one of his biggest flaws even right now).
Honestly, the messy era T1 had such huge potential with big names all around but they didn't managed to have perfect synergy with each other which was such a shame
Win or Lose they should make an exclusive ultimate skin for faker. What he has done for League and being the face of League for a long time. He truly deserve it.
With 1 week in between rounds, I've been clawing at all kinds of content to pass the time until finals. I'm only 10 minutes into your video and wow. I'm immediately interested in putting full focus onto your video. I'm probably going to binge a couple of your podcasts now haha thank you for the quality content sir.
When it comes to the GOAT conversation it makes me sad as a fan of the highest caliber of LoL players that Uzi never won a worlds either. I feel like Ruler has since surpassed him in the realm of greatest ADC of all time, but such an entertaining carry to watch play the game but fall short of the elusive Worlds title.
Love the content Jatt, keep it up. I’m a season 1 boomer and absolutely enjoy the current timeline with Faker on top. Just a small correction though to your statement at 25:05. Duke also has two worlds wins on two unique teams (T1 and IG). T1 fighting!
Jatt's explanation of the mass amount of Korean talent flooding the scene between S3-S5 is so accurate. A lot of people forget just how fucking amazing Pawn was during the assassin meta of that time. He was leagues above everyone and honestly that Samsung White team from 2014, had they stuck together, in my opinion could have made 2 or 3 consecutive worlds runs easily. That team was just playing league at a level no one could keep up with. They were the GOATS of the lane swap
Jatt your passion for the game is infectious Ive been watching the LCS and internationals since before it was the LCS and your emotion for the game is one of the big reasons I’m still around even after quitting league you are an absolute gem to this community
Hello Jatt, In 2015, SKT won Spring, Summer and Worlds and went to 5 games in MSI finals. They were 1 game away from the golden road. They also had an unofficial golden road with 2015 Summer, 2015 Worlds, 2016 Spring, 2016 MSI.
Them talking about Faker being able to see things that others cant reminds me of the ryze teleport play to steal baronlast year against JDG swinging that game in there favor.
1:46 China vs EU final not Korea Love the podcast been listening since the inception. Thanks so much for the fantastic content. Helps me breakdown worlds every year.
If Faker wins this year, it will be the greatest story of League history. People doubted him and said that he was holding the team back. Then the comeback from injury proves everybody wrong. Faker shows he is the most important player of T1. When Koreans win Asia game against the Chineses, people said Faker was just tagging along the young players to get gold medal. Now, he leads T1 on the road to the championship against all of the LPL as LCK last hope. Just one more step!
I love history of the game talks, so these corrections come out of love and a desire to see the conversations accurately represent history. 1. Beryl is not the only player to win on two different rosters, Duke won as the starting top laner for SKT in 2016 and as the sub for iG in 2018, where he did in fact play games (he has an Irelia skin). He was also the main top laner for much of the year for iG, despite that worlds being all about TheShy (and Rookie) 2. I think when discussing the best era of T1, there is no question it is either 2015-2017, or 2021-2023. However, when discussing Faker himself, I certainly think it is 2013-14. This was unquestionably the furthest ahead we have seen an individual player from both his contemporaries within the role, and the playerbase as a whole. And as mentioned, when it comes to the greatest era for SKT/T1, I think there is a reasonable argument that it is 21-23, especially if they win this finals. This would be based on the level of competition surrounding them, as of course by results 15-17 is more impressive. Remember though, 15-17 is 6 consecutive international finals with 2 worlds titles and 2 MSI titles, along with 5 domestic finals and 4 domestic titles. Comparatively, 21-23 is 3 international finals, and one game in two series from 5 finals, and then a further pair of games from 2 international titles, along with 5 domestic finals and 1 domestic title. I think when factoring in difficulty of opponents, it is at the very least a discussion. 3. 2023 JDG is possibly the greatest roster of all time, though there may be criticism that can be offered about their meta adaptability. They lost a single bo5 the entire year. This largely feeds into my previous point, you cannot say that 15-17 SKT played a team remotely to the caliber of 2023 JDG during their time, even accounting for the "inflation" of player skill. Interestingly, 2015 SKT remain the closest to completing the Golden Road, which would've been during the inaugural MSI, one Game 5 Morgana counterpick away. 4. MaRin is not in contention, its a rewrite of history by people who only watched 2015 Worlds and didn't watch LCK. You can tell who these people are because they associate MaRin with Rumble, yet not Maokai. Smeb, TheShy, and maybe Khan are the only possible candidates for GOAT of top. And Duke is the first 2x winner from top lane, he completed that in 2018. MaRin's career is more similar to Zeka than the other three, and I doubt anyone would push Zeka as a top 10 mid candidate. MaRin was mediocre outside of 2015
by far and beyond the hardest year to golden road, there has been no lpl splits and msi splits this difficult ever. and only dropping 1 bo5 this entire year is nuts
I would consider this new run the better run. The competion is far superior to a decade ago. The spread at the top isn't as far apart as it once was among the dominate regions. Having different regions and teams win proves the competition is far greater. Currently it's all of China (considered the best teams in the world) vs T1. This isn't T1 beating LEC and LCK and then 1 solid team in the finals. This is T1 beating the best of the best teams. If e compare 2nd and 3rd place MSI and worlds teams the last 3 years to teams a decade ago. It isn't even close. The new teams win easily.
We wouldn’t say superior, there still 4 other player beside faker back then that he had to play with to win worlds. He was playing vs the like of ruler,deft, ambition, uzi, pawn, kuro, mata, smeb. So competition back then was still crazy
Just got through the solo half of this and I must say I love how you talk about league. Btw, Impact is totally one of the best toplaners in the world, but it is indeed a difficult discussion.
Hey Jatt, just wanted to let you know I appreciate these podcasts a lot. I really enjoy hearing your thoughts and analysis on the game more than other podcasts
what makes me kinda mad is that people think the angle of faker's azir ult was "lucky", i don't think so at all... he probably knew exactly how far ruler could flash and adjusted the angle of his ult to prevent ruler from flashing over it, yet people are not able to see that it was super super likely calculated by him
Great video Jatt! On a side note I wish people spoke more of the Korean exodus that happened in 2014. The LPL basically offered more money to Korean players and imported many talented players coaches/staff to their league. I felt that was the beginning of the rise of the LPL, they progressively got better and more competitive as a whole league year by year, to the point where many argue now that the LPL is the best league in the world in recent years. I've been watching league since 2013 and caught the rise of the SKT T1 K team and is the whole reason I started to watch league. I even remember them losing to ESC Ever in the Kespa Cup and was like wtf is going on, been there with the highs and lows. I think its great to revisit history because I feel many don't know the actually journey Fakers been through as a whole. This finals is probably going to be emotional for me.
BTW Jatt, if you ever read this, you'd get a kick out of this if you didnt know -- In KR faker is known amongst his teammates for his awful 'dad jokes'. The old timers/former teammates like Wolf and Bang used to constantly cringe whenever faker said his jokes. But now that he's literally the most senior player in the league with new generation of youngster players, they would regularly crack up at his jokes. When Wolf and Bang heard that his jokes are now considered 'funny' they were flabbergasted. Also, Scout was known as the 'cute little puppy' that all T1 players adored--so much so that they would pat his head and sit on him, etc. Theres footages of even infamously serious-minded players like Marin adoring the soon to be Worlds winning mid laner. In fact, Kkoma specifically had Scout come to Europe during Worlds 2016 as a cheerleader for the team because they were all extremely stressed out. (T1 podcast w/ Scout as guest).
I do remember Bang saying that he has always thought Scout as the cute one, not Peanut. 😂 I think you were referring to the T1 Talkwave episode where Scout was a guest? I've always wanted to watch the entire thing, but couldn't find one with Eng subs. 😢
Yea, I really liked the episode since you see the version of Scout that is antithetical to the serious mid laner impression you get anywhere else: just affable little brother to all those in SKT. eg. There's a clip of him changing Faker's queued up Fiora to have a skin (faker doesnt use skins as you are probably aware) while Faker's in the restroom@@lilyphilia5065
Faker has been able to adapt his game and the way he plays over the years very well. Just like pro athletes are able to have long careers even after they lose their athleticism, reflexes, or come back from an injury. Kobe Bryant is a perfect example. You learn to adapt and make changes so you don't have to rely on these qualities anymore. Huni said it himself at 46:16. I'd say other players just got burnt out from the game, had other dreams and asperations, or a combination of these and other factors. Also if you don't win then it's hard for teams to want to sign you. Even over a new player with no experience is pro play. There are a lot of good LCS players that don't play anymore because they were not on TSM, C9, or Liquid.
Hey Jatt. I just wanted to say that I really enjoy listening to JLXP when I am on the road to work or just running errands. Thank you so much for the detailed analysis and insight on the game!
Thank you for the content Jatt! The worlds episodes have been so so soooo good as well as the Lets go series on the LCS channel. I really love it so much! I hope you can keep making these in the future! Its just too good!
Damwon 2021 was closer to golden road than any of these other teams, they won both splits and went to game 5 in MSI and world finals. Technically this is much closer than any other team to the golden road.
43:20 i think this play he is talking about is the famous 10k gold deficit vs edg if you take a look after they won the fight, it looked like four players were going to baron and he stayed for the mid towers they destroyed both t1 and t2 and then, finished the baron its crazy
Faker 1st year was ablutely crazy. He was soo ahead of everybody else that is hard to comprehend. I am ridind SKT T1 hype train from 2013 and it os a great ride. And his golden are from 2015 to 2017 with Bengi Wolf and Bang. Damn loved that team. Still the best team ever, they were soo good together. Bang and Wolf is very underapriciated bot lane. This roster is good as well, hope they will conqueror the world !!
Top lane is a tough one to pick a GOAT player. If you're talking about the absolute peak, Marin comes to mind. He was hard carrying that SKT team to the championship along side Faker.
what huni said when he compared the current JDG and skt 16/17 was really interesting. it's like the current T1 beating its old self. can't wait for tonight's game!
One side effect of the focus on bot lane prio is that top lane counter picks matter so much more. Because the jungler is going to be focused on baby-sitting the bot lane to keep the game from booming top laners are free to play explosive counter-picks and go for solo kills.
just wanted to add that there is a 2 time world champion toplaner. Duke won for skt on 2016 and won it with IG as a sub still playing some games. So technically, Duke was the first player to won worlds 2 times with 2 different teams not Beryl.
I think the fact that Faker's current team is THIS powerful and consistent, I want to actually say this team is really close to the strongest version of T1 no?
you have to take into account that players are growing stronger as years go by. so to be consistent for that extended period of time despite the game being volatile is mind blowing.
For certain! I actually think the hardest role to stay good at the top at a long period of time is Toplane/Midlane/Support due to the meta shifts and wide array you must play in modern LoL.@@heliel5769 In order it's probably in that order as well. Toplane is just maddening how good u have to be with less control over the game, and play every given style of play.
I dont think its close because in 2013 winter Faker won every single game for the entire season, 100% winrate every game stomped. Also in 2015 Faker looked like he was trollpicking off meta picks NOBODY else played like master yi mid, riven mid, olaf mid, and ryze (nobody played ryze then) and he made them look giga OP and won all those games
One thing I would argue is Faker's three worlds wins really bought him the trust from SKT and the insane amount of popularity from fans all over the world, those two reasons are why he is able to stay in the T1 roaster, and T1 really put all the resources to build a team around him. As the other players if they falled once, it's very likely the team would give up on them before they might be able to make a come back.
t1의 올해는 beryl이 만듦ㅋㅋ 작년 drx의 서머시즌 9승9패 8강 스카웃, 4강 룰러, 결승 케리아를 이기고 결승에서 바드픽으로 우승 t1 서머 9승9패 8강 스카웃, 4강 룰러, 결승 케리아 자신 그리고 케리아가 바드를 픽하기 시작함... t1의 녹아웃 스테이지 대진은 beryl이 뽑음... 작년 beryl이 우승하고 인터뷰에서 짝수해에는 흰색 유니폼이, 홀수해에는 검은 유니폼이 우승한다는 비밀을 알려줌... 올해 월즈 진출한 모든 한국팀 검정색 유니폼으로 맞춤(우연이겠지만..) 한국 사람들은 beryl이 23년 월즈에서 t1이 우승할 수 있는 단 한가지의 경우의 수를 만들어준 것이라고 함ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
Id consider Faker as having won on 2 unique teams. I get what you mean, 2 different Orgs. But we have to also look at it as who was around him at the time of winning. 4 completely different players in the other roles.
Hey Jatt. I wanted to apologize to you for thinking you were and calling you a scumbag. You actually are a really cool dude and I really dig your vibes. ❤
I feel like I'm going crazy, discussions about who the goat in each position is happen every year. there was one earlier this week on Bevvies with the Boys
One of my favorite boomer memories is watching All-stars 2013 and St Vicious thinking that Korea didn't send their best midlaner when they sent Ambition, because Faker had been playing in the league for a few months already
9:55 I may very well be wrong… but if memory serves, that title used to belong to RNG with UZI. Maybe that’s the transition into speaking about Xiahou, though. Only 10 minutes in!!!
27:05 Actually 2015 SKT T1 won LCK Spring, LCK Summer, Worlds, and lost in game 5 of MSI finals. 2016 SKT T1 is the team that didn't win Summer but won Spring, MSI, and Worlds.
Jatt ! please whatever happens , even if T1 or Weaboo wins , please PLEASE make your usual teamfight Breakdown , thanks for this video too , gets me more hype for the finals
Thanks for reminding the viewers about the history of league. Honestly too many new to league can't seem to comprehend the degree of dominance Faker/Skt had back in the day
True, there are so many new players fanboying over Faker while they don't even know the different beast he is back in the day.
This. You can tell how many fans just started watching from 2018, because they completely ignore how insane the dominance of Faker/SKT and to some extent the LCK used to be.
he was the only player in T1 who have not undergone any trails/ interview, just straight up lined in the roster. back then when you ask other players they said they have to change role because when they meet faker in solo que they just get destroyed. faker was a different beast back in the day.
@@nix294 I think there's an equal or even greater number of new players hating on Faker that only started League within the last 3-5 years.
@@m3gusta17 Yea they dont know haha they really dont
I think people needs to remember what Ruler said during the teaser with JDG vs T1.. That the constant pressure to always win can really get to you.. And Faker(despite being a world champ or not) always have that pressure from then till now just because of the weight the name "Faker" carries. It amazed me how strong his mentality is depite some of his what people called "Shaker" moments... The person is still human and i wish T1 fans or even Faker fans can see that.
I remember the documentary about him when it was first time revealed he was seeing a mental health professional. It really made me cry, esp. when we get to hear what he shared to his psychiatrist. As someone who had followed athletes from other sports (local basketball and the NBA, volleyball, etc. and then started watching League tournaments in 2017-2018), it isn't uncommon but to witness him (someone who rarely show how he feels to the public esp. back in the day) show his pain, it opened my eyes to how extremely mentally exhausting playing League is. It cementing my strong respect for Faker since then. And now, he got his well-deserved 4th Worlds title
@@thatfangirl1389sorry for the reply to a 1 month comment, but can you please share the documentary title? I couldnt find it 😢
I don't think people realize how many questions Huni answered, it is so hard to measure Faker's impact on a team because of the seemingly intangible factors, but Huni helped conceptualize it so well. Faker is a complete facilitator of SR and naturally makes the game exponentially easier for his team, and it is hard to realize this unless he is removed which happened when Poby stepped in.
Huni has come so far his English in the way that he talks in articulates is incredible. What an absolutely incredible interview.
I didn't realize how much I missed Huni. The Fnatic Huni-Reignover days were some of my favs.
HELL Yeah, Huni and Jatt are a top tier duo. Thanks so much for the great content
T1 has an advantage in the red side draft over other teams because of, yes, the bot picks but also because they are the only ones able to play Azir into Orianna. They are not forced to ban out Orianna just because of Faker. I think this is what Huni was trying to say when he mentioned about Faker being able to play both Azir and Orianna.
36:01 Kkoma actually said the best version of Faker was in 2017. He dragged entire skt t1 to world’s finals single handedly that year.
yeah an they didnt fkin ban malz to let him actually carry shit was wild
@@j0eykarate264the meta was ad peeling (Best meta for ruler) and they had only 3 bans
Though the meta was heavy bot meta. I feel kkoma realized after then they should've played through their strengths which was faker. Since he did say it was his best form. They shouldn't have played how the meta present then was dictated.
@@Nocturnyxe i think faker asked to not ban Malz he was solo carrying the team but the meta was unplayable you had to play ardent mid at that time
This year now to be honest is insane. 1 game off missing playoffs to Chovying his team to worlds which is mindblowing.
This year feels like where the rest of the LCK is playing classical music, and the LPL is playing rock, T1’s current iteration has finally broken free from classical and is schooling the LPL with Jazz. They’re not afraid to take risks and make mistakes as individuals, and the rest of the team is right there to turn that mistake into a key change. T1 is straight up vamping on the world.
pretty good analogy
Great analogy thank you!
this analogy mightve been true several years ago, but many lck teams have actually begun to adapt to the lpl's more aggressive style. honestly, the rest of the lck teams just got outplayed, wouldnt say they lost due to meta/playstyle differences. aftearll, both quarterfinals were fairly close.
@@鹦鹉-l8o dont think so, geng tried to pull "lets wait for them to make mistakes, and take advantage from it" which they usually do it against t1 but it doesnt work against lpl, you have to be aggressive to beat them.
SKT 2015 in retrospect was 1 game away from the golden road if they won against EDG at MSI. That dominant counter to leblanc play.
And Koma consistently wanting to play Easyhoon
I still remember it game 5 edg jungles clearlove pocket picked evenlyn to counter faker Leblanc
@@simpleshebang308 id have to watch the game again but I thought Morgana was the bigger counter to Leblanc.
i love huni so much, please thank him for us for coming out to do this interview. we also cant say enough about faker and his legacy, truly the greatest of all time. and as others have said, thanks for giving a history lesson for this newer players, league is a vast game with a deep history over the last 10 years.
You're a great host Jatt. You know when to let people talk and not interrupt. Keep doing what you're doing, a lot of us might be silent but we're all supporting you. Great job on covering the Worlds 2023! Thank you for showing behind the scenes.
This was so good. Huni is able to capture his moments in history so well - and has such a unique perspective of Faker. Great interview.
What huni said about peaking in msi and feeling not satisfied and only feeling a matter of fact that it was just normal, is exactly what guma felt which was the down fall of lat year's "supposed" clear chance for t1 to win their 4th trophy. That's just wild.
Huni's english has improved like 1000x fold - it's so awesome to see. Amazing interview and breakdown
Man Jett weaving this story for us during the first half felt like listening to a good book on Audible, bruh can tell a story with emotion I love it.
So glad to see Huni on here, he's my favorite player of all time, as a top lane main, he made pro play so excited to watch in his first 3 years, I never really watch LEC but I watched every Fnatic game the year he was there because he was just so fun to watch.
43:20. Damn so I rewatched this (SKT vs EDG 2017, Faker's Shockwave game) and yeah Huni was right lmao. All 4 of them walked towards Baron for a second but Faker was like nah, push 2 towers then Baron. Faker is 100% the shotcaller this just proves it even more.
Sorry can u send me link and timestamp of that video 😊
@@urvashibisht7320 I mean literally just watch SKT EDG Group stage 2017. It has the infamous comeback with Faker's shockwave will find them all by CaptainFlowers. Then just watch what the whole team does after they aced them.
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@@urvashibisht7320 look up SKT vs EDG 2017 Group Stage Day 2 - 39:35
@@urvashibisht7320 ua-cam.com/video/Kuszgwi1Eno/v-deo.html @39:33
I know its probably just a small quirk of speaking in a second language, but the fact that Huni calls him "The Faker" so many times is just so great. Man is so good he earned the "the"
Learning when to use and not use articles takes a long time for English 2nd language learners
It's such a beautiful episode, thank you for doing all the players and teams so much justice Jatt. WBG, JDG, T1, we can see how much the win would mean to any of them. Makes me hope for more international tournaments/games in the future, because all of these teams definitely deserve more chances to show themselves.
While Faker has always been on T1, he has entire different rosters multiple times. This should be considered as winning on completely unique teams.
My first ever expirence with e-Sports was when a friend of mine told me about Skt - the best team in the world. I only started playing league back then (Season 7). So I have never seen Faker win Worlds live myself. And it always felt I was too late to expirence his peak. But right now it just feels like that he plays his heart out, to the fullest and that he and T1 just give it all to win it. Without Faker and e-Sport I dont think, that I would still play League. But seeing him play at his highest, it just motivates me to play League and to have fun with it. Idk he just has something to him that no other player in the world has. The LoL Community can be so happy that he is our GOAT and Face of the game.
Man looking back this video after Final, Huni's prediction and analysis on how top played an important role to win @1:05:00 is incredible😂 i mean its not that surprising coming from the GOAT himself.
i have been a SKT fan since 2017, and SKT2017 lineup still keep a special place in my heart, they were my first SKT team, i still support and love each of them. But back then after they lost the worlds final, all i can think about is Faker collapsing on the stage, then 6 years passed with so many other up and down moments, and i never wanna look back on that moment. Now, seeing Huni talking about them being confident at 6040, 7030 and Kkoma still apologizing, i have realized it’s not just Faker, other members were also collapsing, i just did not see that. Now i can see how Huni and Kkoma regret about that, and maybe also Bang, Wolf, Blank, Peanut, i’m crying again, after 6 years
Jatt, thanks for the content you make. I'm a 33 yr old long time League fan, I was only getting into League when Faker first won worlds. 10 years later, your podcast accompanied me on my climb of Ingwangsan mountain in Seoul, a day before I attend my first world championship final. Much love from an Australian fan ❤❤❤
I like the idea of the 4 eras, but this is how I would segment it:
1. OG era (2013-2014)
The Impact, Bengi, Faker, Piglet, Poohmandu roster
2. Faker Bang Wolf era (2015-2018)
The core of this roster was Bengi, Blank, Faker, Bang, Wolf (I believe Blank should be included because he made immense contributions 2016-2018)
The other important members are Marin, Duke, Peanut and Huni
The important/notable subs were easyhoon, Tom and Untara
3. The messy era/Faker-Teddy Era (2019-2021)
I include the entire 2021 in this because though Guma played many games at the second half of summer onwards, Teddy was instrumental to getting them to summer finals though he didnt play in worlds
2019: Khan, Clid, Faker, Teddy, Mata, Effort
2020: Notably Canna and Cuzz were added
2021: Notably Keria was added and Oner and Guma earmed starting positions at the end
4. The ZOFGK era (2022-present)
Don’t think this one needs any introduction
I think 2018 should be its own era called the cursed era
The roster was dreadful, the roster changes were worse. Faker needed to be subbed out, not because he was bad but because his team couldn’t do anything when he wasn’t hard carrying. When you looked at the games he seemed desperate to make plays because his team was just so bad. And Faker had his downs too, he got caught I think 11 times side lanes. (Which is still one of his biggest flaws even right now).
Honestly, the messy era T1 had such huge potential with big names all around but they didn't managed to have perfect synergy with each other which was such a shame
Marin was a beast he was the shot caller during his time
Win or Lose they should make an exclusive ultimate skin for faker. What he has done for League and being the face of League for a long time. He truly deserve it.
He wouldn't be happy to be rewarded in spite of a loss. It'd end up being a reminder of that loss each year.
faker got ultimate skin but no doubt faker didnt play that skin :))
With 1 week in between rounds, I've been clawing at all kinds of content to pass the time until finals. I'm only 10 minutes into your video and wow. I'm immediately interested in putting full focus onto your video. I'm probably going to binge a couple of your podcasts now haha thank you for the quality content sir.
When it comes to the GOAT conversation it makes me sad as a fan of the highest caliber of LoL players that Uzi never won a worlds either. I feel like Ruler has since surpassed him in the realm of greatest ADC of all time, but such an entertaining carry to watch play the game but fall short of the elusive Worlds title.
Love the content Jatt, keep it up. I’m a season 1 boomer and absolutely enjoy the current timeline with Faker on top. Just a small correction though to your statement at 25:05. Duke also has two worlds wins on two unique teams (T1 and IG). T1 fighting!
Jatt's explanation of the mass amount of Korean talent flooding the scene between S3-S5 is so accurate. A lot of people forget just how fucking amazing Pawn was during the assassin meta of that time. He was leagues above everyone and honestly that Samsung White team from 2014, had they stuck together, in my opinion could have made 2 or 3 consecutive worlds runs easily. That team was just playing league at a level no one could keep up with. They were the GOATS of the lane swap
So funny that their darkest era is them losing to semi finals both MSI and Worlds when getting out of group stage is other regions' ultimate dream
Jatt your passion for the game is infectious Ive been watching the LCS and internationals since before it was the LCS and your emotion for the game is one of the big reasons I’m still around even after quitting league you are an absolute gem to this community
Faker on azir in that series , not just a particular game, was just mental
Hello Jatt,
In 2015, SKT won Spring, Summer and Worlds and went to 5 games in MSI finals. They were 1 game away from the golden road.
They also had an unofficial golden road with 2015 Summer, 2015 Worlds, 2016 Spring, 2016 MSI.
Really heart-warming episode. Hopefully T1 plays with zero regrets tomorrow
Thanks for bringing Huni on as a guest. I miss our Holo Holo Holo boy
Them talking about Faker being able to see things that others cant reminds me of the ryze teleport play to steal baronlast year against JDG swinging that game in there favor.
1:46 China vs EU final not Korea
Love the podcast been listening since the inception. Thanks so much for the fantastic content. Helps me breakdown worlds every year.
YES meant to say China vs. EU in Korea thank you
If Faker wins this year, it will be the greatest story of League history.
People doubted him and said that he was holding the team back. Then the comeback from injury proves everybody wrong. Faker shows he is the most important player of T1.
When Koreans win Asia game against the Chineses, people said Faker was just tagging along the young players to get gold medal. Now, he leads T1 on the road to the championship against all of the LPL as LCK last hope.
Just one more step!
When Faker lead his team to defeat 4 LPL teams at worlds, I knew he more than deserved that gold from Asian games.
I love history of the game talks, so these corrections come out of love and a desire to see the conversations accurately represent history.
1. Beryl is not the only player to win on two different rosters, Duke won as the starting top laner for SKT in 2016 and as the sub for iG in 2018, where he did in fact play games (he has an Irelia skin). He was also the main top laner for much of the year for iG, despite that worlds being all about TheShy (and Rookie)
2. I think when discussing the best era of T1, there is no question it is either 2015-2017, or 2021-2023. However, when discussing Faker himself, I certainly think it is 2013-14. This was unquestionably the furthest ahead we have seen an individual player from both his contemporaries within the role, and the playerbase as a whole. And as mentioned, when it comes to the greatest era for SKT/T1, I think there is a reasonable argument that it is 21-23, especially if they win this finals. This would be based on the level of competition surrounding them, as of course by results 15-17 is more impressive. Remember though, 15-17 is 6 consecutive international finals with 2 worlds titles and 2 MSI titles, along with 5 domestic finals and 4 domestic titles. Comparatively, 21-23 is 3 international finals, and one game in two series from 5 finals, and then a further pair of games from 2 international titles, along with 5 domestic finals and 1 domestic title. I think when factoring in difficulty of opponents, it is at the very least a discussion.
3. 2023 JDG is possibly the greatest roster of all time, though there may be criticism that can be offered about their meta adaptability. They lost a single bo5 the entire year. This largely feeds into my previous point, you cannot say that 15-17 SKT played a team remotely to the caliber of 2023 JDG during their time, even accounting for the "inflation" of player skill. Interestingly, 2015 SKT remain the closest to completing the Golden Road, which would've been during the inaugural MSI, one Game 5 Morgana counterpick away.
4. MaRin is not in contention, its a rewrite of history by people who only watched 2015 Worlds and didn't watch LCK. You can tell who these people are because they associate MaRin with Rumble, yet not Maokai. Smeb, TheShy, and maybe Khan are the only possible candidates for GOAT of top. And Duke is the first 2x winner from top lane, he completed that in 2018. MaRin's career is more similar to Zeka than the other three, and I doubt anyone would push Zeka as a top 10 mid candidate. MaRin was mediocre outside of 2015
Just found this channel, glad to see that Jatt is doing whats one of his best trait. Talking in depth.
Ahh thx for this Jatt!❤
by far and beyond the hardest year to golden road, there has been no lpl splits and msi splits this difficult ever. and only dropping 1 bo5 this entire year is nuts
I would consider this new run the better run. The competion is far superior to a decade ago. The spread at the top isn't as far apart as it once was among the dominate regions. Having different regions and teams win proves the competition is far greater. Currently it's all of China (considered the best teams in the world) vs T1.
This isn't T1 beating LEC and LCK and then 1 solid team in the finals. This is T1 beating the best of the best teams.
If e compare 2nd and 3rd place MSI and worlds teams the last 3 years to teams a decade ago. It isn't even close. The new teams win easily.
Back to back finals last year and this, doesn't matter how far "superior" it is now, and faker and t1 has proven it.
We wouldn’t say superior, there still 4 other player beside faker back then that he had to play with to win worlds. He was playing vs the like of ruler,deft, ambition, uzi, pawn, kuro, mata, smeb. So competition back then was still crazy
Idk man the difference between Faker and, well everyone else was just insane back then
beyond excellent content of which we dont have enough of. keep doing your thing Jatt.
Just got through the solo half of this and I must say I love how you talk about league. Btw, Impact is totally one of the best toplaners in the world, but it is indeed a difficult discussion.
Hey Jatt, just wanted to let you know I appreciate these podcasts a lot. I really enjoy hearing your thoughts and analysis on the game more than other podcasts
what makes me kinda mad is that people think the angle of faker's azir ult was "lucky", i don't think so at all... he probably knew exactly how far ruler could flash and adjusted the angle of his ult to prevent ruler from flashing over it, yet people are not able to see that it was super super likely calculated by him
Great video Jatt!
On a side note I wish people spoke more of the Korean exodus that happened in 2014. The LPL basically offered more money to Korean players and imported many talented players coaches/staff to their league. I felt that was the beginning of the rise of the LPL, they progressively got better and more competitive as a whole league year by year, to the point where many argue now that the LPL is the best league in the world in recent years. I've been watching league since 2013 and caught the rise of the SKT T1 K team and is the whole reason I started to watch league. I even remember them losing to ESC Ever in the Kespa Cup and was like wtf is going on, been there with the highs and lows.
I think its great to revisit history because I feel many don't know the actually journey Fakers been through as a whole. This finals is probably going to be emotional for me.
Jatt you're the best and most accurate caster, you NEED to be casting the final !
Great timing! Just got to my worksite, gonna do "paperwork" and listen to this!
Your content is just so fantastic. Appreciate all you do!
BTW Jatt, if you ever read this, you'd get a kick out of this if you didnt know -- In KR faker is known amongst his teammates for his awful 'dad jokes'. The old timers/former teammates like Wolf and Bang used to constantly cringe whenever faker said his jokes. But now that he's literally the most senior player in the league with new generation of youngster players, they would regularly crack up at his jokes. When Wolf and Bang heard that his jokes are now considered 'funny' they were flabbergasted.
Also, Scout was known as the 'cute little puppy' that all T1 players adored--so much so that they would pat his head and sit on him, etc. Theres footages of even infamously serious-minded players like Marin adoring the soon to be Worlds winning mid laner. In fact, Kkoma specifically had Scout come to Europe during Worlds 2016 as a cheerleader for the team because they were all extremely stressed out. (T1 podcast w/ Scout as guest).
I need to see these videos!!!😮😮
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I do remember Bang saying that he has always thought Scout as the cute one, not Peanut. 😂 I think you were referring to the T1 Talkwave episode where Scout was a guest? I've always wanted to watch the entire thing, but couldn't find one with Eng subs. 😢
Yea, I really liked the episode since you see the version of Scout that is antithetical to the serious mid laner impression you get anywhere else: just affable little brother to all those in SKT. eg. There's a clip of him changing Faker's queued up Fiora to have a skin (faker doesnt use skins as you are probably aware) while Faker's in the restroom@@lilyphilia5065
21:01 Great Rewind of what could've been different if this hook didn't happen. He literally got a quadrakill before that incident. . .
I hope JLXP continues at least somewhat regularly after Worlds concludes!
Not me assuming that you were monologuing while Huni was in the room for the first 15 minutes hahaha, great stuff Jatt
Faker has been able to adapt his game and the way he plays over the years very well. Just like pro athletes are able to have long careers even after they lose their athleticism, reflexes, or come back from an injury. Kobe Bryant is a perfect example. You learn to adapt and make changes so you don't have to rely on these qualities anymore. Huni said it himself at 46:16. I'd say other players just got burnt out from the game, had other dreams and asperations, or a combination of these and other factors. Also if you don't win then it's hard for teams to want to sign you. Even over a new player with no experience is pro play. There are a lot of good LCS players that don't play anymore because they were not on TSM, C9, or Liquid.
Hey Jatt. I just wanted to say that I really enjoy listening to JLXP when I am on the road to work or just running errands. Thank you so much for the detailed analysis and insight on the game!
Thank you for the content Jatt! The worlds episodes have been so so soooo good as well as the Lets go series on the LCS channel. I really love it so much! I hope you can keep making these in the future! Its just too good!
Damwon 2021 was closer to golden road than any of these other teams, they won both splits and went to game 5 in MSI and world finals. Technically this is much closer than any other team to the golden road.
No final predictions, but still a damn good episode to listen to.
43:20
i think this play he is talking about is the famous 10k gold deficit vs edg
if you take a look after they won the fight, it looked like four players were going to baron and he stayed for the mid towers
they destroyed both t1 and t2 and then, finished the baron
its crazy
Faker 1st year was ablutely crazy. He was soo ahead of everybody else that is hard to comprehend. I am ridind SKT T1 hype train from 2013 and it os a great ride. And his golden are from 2015 to 2017 with Bengi Wolf and Bang. Damn loved that team. Still the best team ever, they were soo good together. Bang and Wolf is very underapriciated bot lane. This roster is good as well, hope they will conqueror the world !!
Jani or Hutt, I'm into this wombo combo
Top lane is a tough one to pick a GOAT player. If you're talking about the absolute peak, Marin comes to mind. He was hard carrying that SKT team to the championship along side Faker.
Watching this after finals, and huni is pretty dang smart and accurate.
35:14 so Huni basically admitted that Faker DOES micromanage lanes. Interesting
BEST CONTENT EVER! I really didnt write that much but this was GOLD! 👍👍👍
Totally enjoy this content! Thanks Jatt!
This is your best type of content!
what huni said when he compared the current JDG and skt 16/17 was really interesting. it's like the current T1 beating its old self.
can't wait for tonight's game!
One side effect of the focus on bot lane prio is that top lane counter picks matter so much more. Because the jungler is going to be focused on baby-sitting the bot lane to keep the game from booming top laners are free to play explosive counter-picks and go for solo kills.
just wanted to add that there is a 2 time world champion toplaner. Duke won for skt on 2016 and won it with IG as a sub still playing some games. So technically, Duke was the first player to won worlds 2 times with 2 different teams not Beryl.
the fact that faker predicted the flash makes the play even more insane.
Just a clarification, there's one player who win two world champion as top laner which was Duke (SKT 2016, IG 2018)
With this interview, its confirmed that faker actually able to micromanage the whole team, holy 💩
Just like he's managing 4 to 5 games/apps during his streams 😂
I think the fact that Faker's current team is THIS powerful and consistent, I want to actually say this team is really close to the strongest version of T1 no?
you have to take into account that players are growing stronger as years go by. so to be consistent for that extended period of time despite the game being volatile is mind blowing.
For certain! I actually think the hardest role to stay good at the top at a long period of time is Toplane/Midlane/Support due to the meta shifts and wide array you must play in modern LoL.@@heliel5769 In order it's probably in that order as well. Toplane is just maddening how good u have to be with less control over the game, and play every given style of play.
I dont think its close because in 2013 winter Faker won every single game for the entire season, 100% winrate every game stomped. Also in 2015 Faker looked like he was trollpicking off meta picks NOBODY else played like master yi mid, riven mid, olaf mid, and ryze (nobody played ryze then) and he made them look giga OP and won all those games
I've watched Jatt's brilliant interview in ESPN years ago and he should definitely be the spokes person in E-sports.
One thing I would argue is Faker's three worlds wins really bought him the trust from SKT and the insane amount of popularity from fans all over the world, those two reasons are why he is able to stay in the T1 roaster, and T1 really put all the resources to build a team around him. As the other players if they falled once, it's very likely the team would give up on them before they might be able to make a come back.
t1의 올해는 beryl이 만듦ㅋㅋ
작년 drx의 서머시즌 9승9패
8강 스카웃, 4강 룰러, 결승 케리아를 이기고 결승에서 바드픽으로 우승
t1 서머 9승9패
8강 스카웃, 4강 룰러, 결승 케리아 자신
그리고 케리아가 바드를 픽하기 시작함...
t1의 녹아웃 스테이지 대진은 beryl이 뽑음...
작년 beryl이 우승하고 인터뷰에서
짝수해에는 흰색 유니폼이, 홀수해에는 검은 유니폼이 우승한다는 비밀을 알려줌... 올해 월즈 진출한 모든 한국팀 검정색 유니폼으로 맞춤(우연이겠지만..)
한국 사람들은 beryl이 23년 월즈에서 t1이 우승할 수 있는 단 한가지의 경우의 수를 만들어준 것이라고 함ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
롤도사 aka 닥터 스트뤠인지~~
Id consider Faker as having won on 2 unique teams. I get what you mean, 2 different Orgs. But we have to also look at it as who was around him at the time of winning. 4 completely different players in the other roles.
Hey Jatt. I wanted to apologize to you for thinking you were and calling you a scumbag. You actually are a really cool dude and I really dig your vibes. ❤
I feel like I'm going crazy, discussions about who the goat in each position is happen every year. there was one earlier this week on Bevvies with the Boys
One of my favorite boomer memories is watching All-stars 2013 and St Vicious thinking that Korea didn't send their best midlaner when they sent Ambition, because Faker had been playing in the league for a few months already
Thanks this was amazing
I've been saying this every year whenever T1 is in Worlds, but I hope he wins this time. PRAYGE
9:55 I may very well be wrong… but if memory serves, that title used to belong to RNG with UZI. Maybe that’s the transition into speaking about Xiahou, though. Only 10 minutes in!!!
Huni is awesome! Huge fan!
Hunis "its hard to tell" was so zesty i had to pause the video
awesome podcast jatt
Man what if Marin stayed in T1, looking back I think Marin was in route to becoming the Top Lane GOAT, he was that good imo, or I am wrong?
In terms of longevity and accomplishments, Impact and Duke are both ahead of him.
Nah outside that 1 yr of T1 run, he's mediocre on the rest. Marin is like Zeka, he peaked on the right time on a Meta that favors him.
I’ve just realized that I’m a fan of jatt omg. You go man
27:05 Actually 2015 SKT T1 won LCK Spring, LCK Summer, Worlds, and lost in game 5 of MSI finals. 2016 SKT T1 is the team that didn't win Summer but won Spring, MSI, and Worlds.
Bro. Watching this after Finals. Huni is 100% correct. Top lane and Oner performance will be the T1 win condition. Holy fvxk
24:55 THE CROWN SHADE LMAO
First timer but man there were great questions👍 especially the sleeper one with Danny😂 as a T1 fan.. those were dreadful days..
Jatt ! please whatever happens , even if T1 or Weaboo wins , please PLEASE make your usual teamfight Breakdown , thanks for this video too , gets me more hype for the finals
Dont think a lot of people remember Duke. While he wasn't much involved in his 2nd worlds Title, he is the first top laner to have 2 worlds.
Huni is so entertaining