They All Hate Modern Football
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I want to see more players taking 40 yard shots, I want to see more attackers taking on an entire field, I want more showboating, I want more rivalries
Musiala exists. Grealish used to play like that at Villa. Sane when he wants to play well can dribble through a defense.
And when they keep doing that you would be bored of that too..
@@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd Im not bored with how football is now and I wouldn't bored of the way it was played when I was younger either
@@thuglifeinc4894two man city players 🤮🤮
@@GaliciaPheonix-nl8zd Mate I never felt bored of Ronaldinho.
He's right, everyone is trying pep ball from champions league to Sunday league.
sometimes, you just gotta pull a Morocco!
Brendan Rodgers in a nutshell. Celtic went from exciting Angeball to pass-the-parcel. Boorrriiingggg!
the problem is its an arms race, they're not doing it because they like it, but because they have to to win.
It does just happen in sport in general. Teams try and emulate the most successful version. Every team in the NBA was chucking up 3s because Golden State did it. You had teams with below .500 chucking up more 3 attempts than Golden State.
The meta is ever changing, one day there will be a new way to win and everyone will try to shift towards that, and people will talk of how 2010-2024 was peak football because of nostalgia
I agree. They have been saying this since the invention of football.
George best complained about football in 90s. But now it is considered the best it has ever been.
There is good metas and bad ones, this is definitely a bad one.
I mean there’s people who already have nostalgia for tiki taka or pep ball. It can lead to beautiful moments but I was never the biggest fan. It’s very effective tbough
@@RainHHnah, bad football is route one football. Cross inshaa to the targetman kind of football
Portugal tried to close Kvaratskhelia down yesterday. My cynical take is that if a coach has Kvaratskhelia and he dribbles the entire defense and scores, Kvaratskhelia gets the credit. If a coach uses a bunch of endurance athletes to swarm an opponent and win, the coach gets the credit. Sacrificing creative players to win is always going to be a temporary benefit that causes more severe future problems. Ask the Dutch. Hell, ask the Brazilians.
One thing that might help would be for refs to go back to sending people off for trying to break the legs of the other team's playmaker.
I was with you up to the referee thing.
The refs have never been more likely to show red for a tackle than they are now. And the rules have never been more tailored to protecting those players either
The trend in modern football reminds me of the trend in modern Hollywood movies, where the goal is just to put out safe, sterile products with the goal of making as much money as possible without bothering about making any cultural impact or impression. Like, I can’t remember a single moment from Man City’s recent 4-peat clinching season, just like I can’t quote a single line or hum a musical theme from Avatar 1/2 or any Marvel phase 4 movie. On the other hand, I remember so many iconic moments from Man United’s disastrous but ultimately trophy-winning season, just like I know of so many terrible but iconic scenes from Madame Webb (despite not even having seen the movie)…
Checo so bad even Zealand's firing shots at him
😂😂
I'm really tired of what I call U-turns where the GK passes to the CB, CB to LB, LB to LW, LW to LB, LB to CB, CB to CB, CB to RB, RB to RW, and repeat
It's objectively the most effective way to play though isn't it? Like depends on how the other team chooses to play, but it gets results, so of course every team that has players that suit it will try to play like that. Not entertaining, but creates the best and most consistent chances.
@Binzob I feel it's up to luck, my team gave up 4 free chances to the opponent by having the 13th pass between CB1 and CB2 be wrong, in the same match, and all the opponent ever did was 1 or 2 forward passes and they where already shooting
@@MarioSantos-zx4bj True, does rely on the team not making mistakes which is why it's more effective at the top level and thus more common there. My team tried similar stuff in a lot of our games. Missing our main striker most of the season so didn't really have anyone to cross too and no real goal threat, yet we still almost won the league with that playstyle and having the best defence and by far the best keeper. He even gave away the ball once while passing between the backline and we conceded. We at least had a few players who were creative and sometimes would try to create something from nothing so it wasn't dreadful to watch at all.
Jack Grealish is a prime example of how Guardiola has removed the element of flair from football.
Zealand showing his age, Ronaldinho played more on the left flank than the middle
International soccer has had the same problem for literally decades:
Essentially the problem is there's way fewer games than club football, this results in:
1. Way more pressure
2. Way less team chemistry
3. Teams "playing not to lose" rather than "playing to win"
You'll notice at the club level the top teams are way more aggressive in attack because they know over the course of ~38 league games that the strategy will pay off. However no one wants to take those chances in the group stage of a major competition & *certainly* not in the knockout stages.
*However:* I don't really see a solution to the "boring" soccer you see in international competitions, *increasing* the games in an already congested fixture schedule *seems like an even worse idea*
Tf international football is more entertaining than club these days wtf are u talking abt 💀💀💀💀
I would LOVE to see Zealand create a video on the main channel discussing the "next progression" of tactics that has been emerging for the past few seasons. I think we're already shifting away from the more automated, positional approaches, and we're approaching a blurring of the lines between juego de posicion and relationism. I'd highly encourage a read-through of Jamie Hamilton's works to help understand the alternate approach to Guardiola's and his disciples. The future of tactics is really exciting, and I think many people don't realize that we're already shifting towards a new "meta" style!
The way goals were scored in the euros is indeed different. Own goals are the new meta
8:02 over a 100 years ago, there was no cross bar, players didn't think to pass the ball, they just dribbed and you could still score a try around 125 years ago
Clearly the only way to solve this is by creating Football 2
I know Zealand mentions he doesn't want a lot of rules changes, but one thing that I always remember on this topic is an article I read in the Athletic about Socrates, the Brazil great of the 70s-80s, who said his solution to how to make football more free and open like it used to be was simple - make it 7-a-side. He actually wrote a PhD thesis on the topic. The gaps on the pitch the creative players and dribblers needed got smaller when athleticism started to rise in the 90s-2000s and this problem wasn't going to correct itself, it was only going to get worse, so the solution was to shrink the size of the teams. I don't think this will ever seriously be considered, but I've always found that idea fascinating and wonder if a 7-a-side league could take off at some point with the kinds of players like Ronaldinho or Ozil who don't really have a place in today's game spearheading the league.
You said that players are better now so Pele and Ronaldinho wouldn't be as good, but the opposite is also just as possible. They could also benefit from the status quo of the modern game and become better in certain aspects of the game. While the systems they played in differ from the ones we see today doesn't mean they have no chance of adapting. These players were geniuses of the game, that would count for alot.
Yeah I disagree with Z on this one - if Ronaldinho was coached in the context of today’s game, with his talent, of course he’d be great.
@@ShyGuyTravel If he was coached in today's game he wouldn't be Ronaldinho.
sad but true. i didn’t get to witness much of the #10 position, but i miss it
everything is so systematic and robotic........ No flair, no charisma, no soul and no passion.
I hate modern football too.
Agreed. The dread hand of Guardiola is everywhere on the modern game and it's made everything absolutely sterile. Flair players have no place in this, because they do unpredictable things and modern coaching doesn't like that.
@@Hartley_HareGuardiola literally coaches Doku💀
@@havenharris1793 One player doesn't mean anything. And, while we're at it, ask Guardiola about his team doctor.
Have you not seen that Doku is only good because he plays more freely than the rest
He was never meant to take grealish's place he did that by being creative
He's clearly not a tactic plan he's an outlier @@havenharris1793
@@Hartley_HareDid Pep put a gun to every managers head and tell them to play like him? Use your fucking brain.
Truelly next gen commentary:
*Zeeland:* 5:50 " i really don't know how the outside looks like"
*Also Zeeland:* 5:56 "i can go and reunite with the grass any time i want to"
My boi Zeeland dosen't even know what real grass looks like after 11,000 hrs of FM 😂😂
Honestly I feel like the point being made simply isn't true, the rules have been changed to make peps boring football more effective. No more yellows for tactical fouls if advantage is given, to reduce cards for teams like City. Dealing out yellows and reds for simply playing football and accidentally connecting with someone also makes it so that the more defending you have to do even if you're entirely careful while doing so will result in yellows and reds meaning more opportunity for peps boring ass football to break you down. We are living in the reality that rules are being put in place to make sure the relentless grind of a Guardiola team is the best way to play.
Football is not as fun to watch now as it was pre 2010 IMO. I think it's too restrictive now and players don't look like they're particularly having as much fun and being expressive appears to have vanished. We used to celebrate fun platers like Jay Jay and Ronaldinho, we won't see players like that again. Each to their own opinions though, I won't bash others for having a different opinion to me
25-30 years ago I remember being told the sport was suffering an epidemic because it had become too gentle and the players too fragile. Guys would fall down and act as if their body had shattered. No one could play defense any longer and it caused these wretched dribbles where no one could shut it down without getting a card.
What I've learned is that once you fall out of love with a sport because it changed, it probably will never win you back. They might turn off all the old fans and the sport may even suffer temporarily. But, the new fans will like whatever the new thing is. Don't hold your breath thinking good times will return because they just won't...not for you at least.
It’s gonna be a 3-4-3 tiki taka revolution with fluid forwards and a revolving midfield that covers the entire pitch
Just a few days ago in the Euros we saw a defender dribble the ball up through the midfield to send a pinpoint pass up to the attackers to continue the counter attack, football is alive and well people just focus on what they hate
There is the MLS where there is more chaos, more exciting. But I still enjoy watching Man City because I find it beautiful in a way.
Full disclosure I'm a City and a Chicago Fire fan.
Checo catching strays 😂
Reminds me of Rockies/Yankees pitcher Adam Ottovino stating that he would strike Babe Ruth out every time. All modern MLB pitchers would. Ruth was drinking beers, eating hot dogs... he wouldn't make a pro roster today without being a different person
In Ronaldinhos prime he was playing LW
even at my level in a non league team in england I get shouted at if I switch the ball at the wrong time even if it’s a good, successful pass for playing ‘hollywood balls’ instead of the 5 yard pass. It is boring and I honestly prefer my 5 a side games where there’s actual freedom
Change is not necessarily a continuous progress into something better and better. Elite players from the 2010s, 2000s, 1990s and sometimes even 1980s received since their puberty a very professional coaching and training and scientific nutrition and whatnot. The tiny little differences in "sports science" (if that exists) cannot be so significant as to make todays athletes significantly better than those of the 2000s (and who knows if polution, plastics and the FIFA videogame obsession of many players affect them negatively). And many perceived differences in physicality may be differences in the quality of the pitch (we don't see mud anymore, which was ubiquitous in the 1980s), the ball and the boots.
the players in the 80s and 90s did not receive nutrition anywhere close to the levels these days, especially in south america, wtf are you on about you absolute moron lmao
Rooney is sorta right, but I think the catalyst why Football has become boring is not Pep, though his style is a factor, Pep’s teams actually score goals
I look at guys like Southgate who park the bus and literally try not to score for most of the game, and try to physically wear teams down. Or Deschamps who has his guys pass the ball back constantly after opening up an attacking opening, or go for a fruitless cross. And France doesn’t actually score much.
I watch USL USA and Vanarama in UK - its real soccer and footie - lower you go the better it gets
I think the area where football is getting worse is the top leagues and thats not because of the players or game itself, but because owners largely can do whatever they want. It sucks, there need to be far harsher rules around what clubs can do. It destroys competitiveness
I got interested in football watching Ronaldinho in 2004. I don't think there is anyone now who could interest my son to get interested in football.
Ronaldinho would have a position and he would be one of the best players in the world. Played on the left wing.
I was talking about the Euros with a friend yesterday, and we kinda agreed the Euros is kinda shit this time. Almost all major teams are underperforming. Only Spain amd Germany play like you would expect. But France, England, the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy and Croatia all could (and perhaps should) play better than they do right now. It is fun to see smaller countries win, but then rather because they are actually playing well instead of the big name boring us to death. In addition, not that many goals have been scored and there were a lot of ties. I am Dutch and to be honest I am not even excited to see my country play. I don't feel any adrenaline. In 2014 that was different. But also during the other matches, I barely see moments that really impress me. So far, I havent seen a single goal that makes me say: wow.
In my opinion Vinicius Jr. is the closest a player can be to Ronaldinho without the space that Ronaldinho had. He has mad dribbling skills, he can break a game by himself, and they have to defend him with 2-3 players every time.
The problem of every team trying Pepball is that without great players it is really difficult to execute. You create chances in a lot of cases when the players are able to do one-touch passes with precision, and the last pass or second to last pass is into space so even if everything went right until you get to the box that pass demands a lot of skill and ends being too long, too short, not on the right angle, too lobbed... and that's after a couple minutes swinging the ball around. I think it's more frustrating than boring
Players and especially coaches are better than they used to be, that’s why
Pep is forced to play boring football because his opposition force him to play boring football.
Compare the City game against Luton to the game against Coppenhagen. In one game city play very direct and "unleash" Haaland, in the other City play hundreds of passes until a halfspace run allows them to score a tap in.
Pep says: "If you tell me how the opposition defend, I can tell you how we attack."
Luton man mark and press high, so heavy rotations, dribbling and direct balls into Haaland are the answer.
Coppenhagen defend passively with all players 16m in front of their goal, so they pass to ball to the free man for minutes until they can find a runner who squares the ball.
Coaches figured, that defending deep and compact with all players, gives them the best chance of winning points against Pep. This is why he adapts and "kills them with 1000 passes".
Years ago, Rene Maric called Pep "the most offensive and the most defensive coach at the same time."
If the defensive meta changes, so will Pep's in possession approach.
5:30 Zealand already thinking of if the Ottoman Empire still existed, what its tean would look like
Modern soccer is just like UFC now: a bunch of great athletes, all playing the same, no flair, no hair, no color, no character...just great athletes.
And all this playing from the back, good lord. Not every team can do it. It's disgusting. Dumb players doing dumb crap all over the world.
Copa Libertadores, 20 years ago, used to be better than many of the domestic leagues are now. Run, run, run is just no fun. Full, great games, are, currently, few-and-far between.
Long live Valderrama!
People always think it was better before, and will until the end of history. It’s a cognitive bias. Time has a quality that filters out the boring, and brings the big exciting moments to the forefront. In terms of boredom per minute, football has stayed about as equally boring across generations. We just forget the boring stuff (for obvious reasons).
We were also younger back then - everything is a lot more intense when you’re younger.
We sit here complaining that the game is ruined but nonetheless addicted to football content - we haven’t moved on to cricket or handball for a reason.
I could never understand what was stopping those guys from the 60s from running more. It's not even a tactical thing, was there no will to run at someone to get the ball back? What were they thinking about just standing there?
When I play 5 a side, I just know that running more will likely help my team more. The willingness to run is possibly the most straight forward thing for my brain. So why weren't they running more???
1 day we're all complaining about how Gabriel Jesus has no end product, then the day after we get mad that Haaland (as old school of a striker as you can get) is getting recognition because he's not versatile.
1 day we get mad that Leao hasn't scored in a month, the other that Grealish plays too robotic.
Checo Pérez slander in a Zealandism video….. he really is cooked
Pep has mastered a certain way of playing and identifying the best players to get the best out of that system. He then tries to tweak as different players come along. It doesn't always get better, Arguably Barca Pep is still the mega digievolution of his system.
The issue is that too many managers are too afraid, too tactfully naive or even just not really good enough at management to identify alternative ways of getting the best out of players that will disrupt this Pep system. Klopp, for instance, has got the best out of rather different players and been reasonably successful.
It will happen. No one thought the Italian way of playing would be bettered in the late 80s and 90s. Other systems like Jose's have come and gone while being dominant.
This issue is especially obvious for the Euros as you have to deal with the players you have. You can't just bring in a Brazilian Goalkeeper with better ball control or a Spanish mid-fielder who is happy to sit and run the game from a deep position. You have to play to the players strengths and very few have done this.
One thing that does need to change is two things
1 - New card system...
2 - Offense should get the advantage on off-side rules etc.
Ronaldinho could do what doku does....and then some
Was it back then was tougher? For condition, & rules
Just let the players be creative and take risks again. Let the stars be stars.
also old Ronaldinho would 100% still trash modern Premier League lol
anyway in Portugal youth academies we already started getting away from the robotic play to let players be more creative again.
I don't think Pep should be criticized for other teams trying to play the way his teams do. He is just one manager controlling one team. If other managers are trying to play his way without the applicable talent that Pep has had, it's not going to go quite as well. I also think that if a team playing Pep is just going to park the bus, what do you expect Pep's team to do? Shoot from 40 yards out and give away the ball? No.
Couterpoint; baseball.
This is a psychology problem. Pep has his system. People trying to copy it is their own philosophy problem.
As a Chelsea fan, I love Connor Gallagher. Our most important player each of the last 2 seasons. 2nd best player at the entire club.
Death, taxes, retired players bemoaning the state of the game. Remember at one point in history there were old-timers complaining that nobody uses five forwards anymore, or make the starting pitcher throw until his arm fell off. BTW your beard comes in with a very unfortunate pattern.
My granddad said the 1958 final was the best football match he have watched. Brazil 5-2 Sweden
The modern game isn't as intense as it used to be. It's a lot softer and there's a lot more pep style of play which isn't conducive towards power game we used to see.
I like to compare it to indie wrestlers, where work rate is prioritised over the old schooled brute force of the power game.
Leaders in the game aren't the same either, with players like Patrick Vieira or Keane not seen anymore, the type that grab the game by the balls and had a strong voice and presence. Essentially I'm saying players are soft now and just wanna tap it around.
Mourinho started it, Pep perfected it.
Honestly every team playing from the back for 5 minutes before doing single attack is utterly mind numbing but everyone is at it because they think because some teams won that way, they must play that way. The mavericks have been shackled, creativity has been shunned and football could not be more boring for it.
It's not boring if you're the Argentina national team playing free-flowing football. Pep is a master of the coach controlling everything, which I find distasteful. Fortunately we have Ancelotti.
Will the next zealandism be about Z's bad performance on the euros quiz???
I disagree strongly with what you said about Ronaldinho. He was good enough to demand a place in any team in the world in today's football. Pep would drive Jack Grealish off a cliff and pretend he never existed to have Ronaldinho in his current Man City team for 10 minutes.
Blaming this on teams trying to score the perfect goal seems silly to me. Belgium wasn't trying to score perfect goals, whatever that means, they were just super conservative and kept a lot of players behind the ball. That has nothing to do with Guardiola.
Man, imagine a couple of years ago we have the catenachio, people killing each other to put a ball in the area, josé mourinho and simeone also happened. But NOW, the game is gonne. Idk man, looks like a overreaction and ego play a major role to say the football was better when they were playing. Love rooney and ronaldinho, but common man, defender are improving like crazy, football is not just ofensive midfilders and wingers.
I don't think that people would argue that meta is changing and this pep like tactics will everlast, but watching the EURO-s and every team plays like this and seeing them not find the way to the net not even creating enough chances and not learning from previous matches (from their own and from the others) is just ridicoulos to me. They just play like a pussy. Spain is the only good team and some small teams were but they only wanted to counter attack anyway. It looks like they don't have a clue what to do, England, France, Belgium, Italy etc. The players cannot be a problem, too many teams play awfully. I think its the managers fault plain and simple.
The modern Game is boring because they can’t adapt, and they despise quote on Quote ”immigrants“ and ”the wrong type of football fans” Ruining their local club or whatever excuse they use to explain their racism
Immigration is ruining Europe so you can pack that nonsense away
watch plymouth score like 35 goals next season
Players of today dont have the aura a player like even robben or zlatan has. When mbappe steps on the field it isn’t like when zidane stepped on the field. Lol to be honest as a barca fan i used to dread seeing bale in a lineup versus mbappe. I remember a ucl game against psg we were losing but as soon as messi was subbed on psg went from confident to playing like amateurs lol players with those kinds of auras dont play in todays game
Bring back tony Pulis, Dyche or Sam Allerdyce Ball.... 😂😂😂 big meaty men go hard on tackles 😂
When winning is what's most important people will always optimize the fun out of a game.
If you put prime ronaldinho (when he cared about fitness) in the game today you would get the same results. Football players aren't stronger faster now than in the past it is the same . If you trained properly and took care of your body then and now results will be the same. Human body has its limits. It can't be improved infinitely.
Nah, its only going to get worse unless there are rule changes. I've been watching get worse for 30 years.
I see many go back to 4-4-2 again
England doesnt play Pep style. And its the worst watch in Euros. Spain plays more pep ball and their matches are fun
Even the national teams are not national teams anymore....
No one ever complains about Klopp not being interesting or entertaining. Despite being very tactical
because his tactics are fun
Day 16 of asking Zealand To Get A Carboard Cutout Of Lamine Yamal To "animate" His Setup
Only hipsters enjoy modern day football
There aren't anywhere near as many icons anymore because modern football forces them to become more restrained and less expressive.
My only argument against that would be we've grown up so we don't see current players in the same light as we did with players we looked up to growing up. Every generation goes through it. My generation talk about players like Gerrard and Rooney whereas the the generation before will say how gazza and shearer were better. There will be players now that people look up to and see as icons but we don't see it because we are comparing them to what we considered the best years of football just like the generation before and so on.
Absolutely, I remember seeing Haaland score so many bulldozing, lightning quick, iconic goals at RB and Dortmund, I don’t think I’ve seen him score a single goal from outside the 18-yard box at City…
@@joseph-fernando-piano You also have to remember how much space he was able to run into at Dortmund compared to at City. Teams do not give City any space in behind anymore.
@@joseph-fernando-pianoyeah cause everyone is defending compressed all 11 men at the back no space in behind
@@coreygrant7545the last icons were messi ronaldo xavi iniesta pirlo hazard raul zlatan modric kroos neymar suarez and neuer (maybe a few more too idk) now there’s just good players, some better than others or that fit in a system better than others, but not great enough to be considered icons.
I don't even think "modern football" or "pepball" or whatever you call it is about scoring perfect goals, it's that old Blanchflower quote, "if we have the ball, they can't score" taken to the limit with a dose of moneyball style analytics that dictate what are the most effective plays, and that's what the team does. And for a good 15 years at this point, you have teams looking like they're playing handball, ball moving sideways for long stretches of time, but because there's no passive play rule and most teams don't have the flair players to make a shot, that's all they do. Pass and pass and pass and try a dribble or through ball. Barcelona was fun to watch because Messi could take a rabbit out of his hat anytime. Later Spain was often just turgid football because so many of the players were there, but the guy who did something special at the end wasn't. I've watched Lopetegui era Porto, who did a pretty good job of moving the ball around against low blocks but often couldn't shoot at goal for shit, and this was a CL quarterfinals team. Now there's teams with far worse players trying to do the same.
What could be concerning is that with these highly mechanical systems, even young players with flair and imagination will be worked to become cogs in the sideways passing machine.
Sergio Perez catching strays in a Zealandism video is not one I had on my bingo card!
Checo is truly having an awful year );
There has been quite a bit of "it was better in my day" from the pundits who played in the 2000s. In 2010s, this was said by the pundits who played in 90's. In the 2000's, it was said by pundits who played in 80's.
It was always better when they played.
That was about the rules around fouls being more strict causing more players to dive, not the way teams actually played football.
Peak football was the late 90's
As a brazilian, I used to hear a lot about the 58 world cup team from old people. Then, they died and no one cared anymore. but the 70 world cup team was THE best, according to everyone on TV. Then, they got older and started retiring, so no one listens to then anymore, which instantly made the 82 team the best one ever, even if they lost, because the pundits either played during that time or watched it. Now, the 02 team is praised as the best ever, because my generation has the voice in the media. And wanna know what's the funniest part? Back then, before that world cup, the team was considered THE WORST (!!!) brazilian national tem EVER by so called "specialists". THAT team, with Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho. They were saying Lucio, Edmilson and Roque Jr were trash central defenders, that Gilberto Silva was awful, that Cafu and Roberto Carlos were bad (lol). They said Ronaldo was done, Rivaldo was shit and Ronaldinho would never live up to the hype. But then we won. Time went by, the generation that watched those guys became influential, so now they're remembered as legends.
Just like you said, it's always "better in my day". Hearing that 02 team was trash by people who idolized the 82 team that got absolutely pommeled by Italy. And yet, history was written, but not according to them.
Yes, people are biased but I honestly think the game is more boring now than in the 00s, 90s, 80s, 70s. Even though players are just more skilled and athletic these days.
I get into football around mid to late 1980's, I took those times at the nadir of Football Dark Age (1962-92. The Stars at the time were the only saving graces): park the bus all the time, and bone crunching tackles which the refs. mostly turn the blind eyes. The former led to record lowest average at Italia '90 and EURO '92; while the latter robbed Marco van Basten a least four prime year. Only Rule of the Games changes reverse the trend.
For me the ture Golden Age were from immediate Post War years to early 1960's, mid 1990's to early 2010's could be viewed as Silver Age, afterward Sovereign Fund totally upsetted the transfer market, corruption and incompetence of Football Establishment ran amouk (the cardinal sin of them is, the pretend there are way more than 365 days for a year, expending football fixturesto no end), procession and pressing tactic excessively proliferate to a point of near universal.
I can agree football is less flashy than it used to be in the 2000's. But thats why i still love international football. It isnt quite as refined and chaos is a lot more prevalent than in club football
THANK YOU! I felt like everyone is saying the obvious (people are biased to their nostalgic era) but cmon! Players with flair are actually hated these days, if they do a 360, they’re a fidget spinner and a provocateur. Ffs, players are so mechanical these days like they’ve already been replaced with robots
@@Lucaz99yea definitely. Enterainers are now marked as a liability in the team.
Sean Dyche said about this; "I would be limiting Kieran Trippier if I told him to only pass the ball five yards". all our favourite players as kids were expressive, right? Mine was Totti, he was intensely creative and often broke structures to create. Ronaldinho is loved, because he was fun. It's telling that one of the first things Pep did as Barca manager was get rid of Ronaldinho.
I always say this. Pep kicking out Ronaldinho was symbolic of football changing into the "modern game". Him delivering 6 trophies the following year made it worth it of course, but symbolically that was the end of individuals because even Messi (despite his individual genius) was a teamplayer at the core. Pep wanted efficiency over creativity from the beginning, but it was the players quality that made it look freeflowing. Ever since City he's been creating robotic footballers.
His relationship with Zlatan is also evidence of this.
Everyone wants to see long shots, until it’s your team who you’re desperate to win. And you hear “Shoot” from the crowd and the players goes to striker and you think “why are you shooting from there” and it goes miles over the bar
Nah man much rather see players shoot from outside the box if we're trailing then passing it to the winger who passes it back to the fullback and then along the defence, to the other winger, back to the full back, back to the keeper, centreback, midfielder open for the pass, to the striker now, oops lost the ball. 4 shots ahh games, very much less fun than having 20 shots even if most are hoping for a wonder strike.
There are players out there that you can bank on at least hitting the target. Of course you don't want your 3rd choice CB to run up and shoot but even those that you would think could pull off 30 yard strikes rarely do so anymore.
Thats the risk we literally are asking for. Those are the moments that stick forever. You take the shot, it's either you miss or you get it on target. Why do we all remember Kompany's goal? He took the shot when everyone told him not to do it, but he did. And it lasts. It's not for personal glory, but sometimes you just HAVE TO take the shot as a player. In football sometimes it just falls in front of you, and there's nothing anyone can do to make you not take the shot. Suppressing that feeling is exactly why the game's gone.
@@nxt1990 “nothing anyone can do to make you not take that shot”, so it’s natural and clearly hasn’t been changed by a decade or so of positional play
@nameanteater4772 well it has because its decreased massively
The meta may have shifted away from long intricate dribbles and insane longshots being a common thing, but we still do get intricate passing sequences that are lovely to watch at times, and there are managers who play a more direct style of football aswell as those who just play the slow build up of Pepball.
The problem is that the teams who play that more direct style aren't the top teams. They don't have the same quality of player. And when they do, the bigger clubs sign them.
Take Grealish for example. He was electric and exciting at Villa so Pep signed him and removed all of the creativity.
Watching "intricate passing" is glorified lateral passing
@@thebiglebrowski3695Agree. When I watch Greslish at Man City I think he can't dribble but then I remember the goal he scored against Man United when he was at Aston Villa.
I have not gotten into a Category 1 academy, but I know several coaches in them currently. I've coached for a few years now, and hopefully can carry on and get my A license. I say it because I actually think it's perverse what is going on in academies and in football. The health of football is built on the quality of coaching through academies, and the players they make. And right now, some of the best academies in Europe are killing talent, killing players, and forcing good coaches, good scouts, good players out of the sport. Redknapp recently lamented the influx of 20year old nerds who've never played getting jobs in the game, I am one of those 20 somethings that never played, but I know who he means, and he's right. There has been an influx of "coaches" who force through to their B license in record time, and do so without any understanding of players. They run shit drills from a pdf of Guardiola's sessions from 15 years ago, they copy an outdated Italian methodology from 40 years ago (Thanks De Zerbi) and complain when kids don't turn up. They draw shapes like 3223 on a pamphlet, tell kids to recreate it, and wonder why they get pumped 9-0 on the weekend. "Kids aren't good enough," they say. That young Palmer who demands the ball - it's his fault, stay out wide, don't dribble, don't give the ball away, wait for the wide routine we did for 2 hours on Thursday night to become possible, run it, and you might get the scholarship = talent lost. Nobody shoots, a complete lack of finishers in academies. Nobody knows how to tackle, how to unbalance, accelerate and decelerate, because they spend every session running routines. This makes shit players - shit players makes shit football. Thankfully some academies aren't drinking the cool-aid of the charlatan agents, jumped up scouts, and idiot analysts are trying to sell to clubs. They make talent. Brazil makes talent. But England? man, they need to shape up and kill the cancer that's festering in their academy system.
Regarding rule changes to get Football more entertaining... There were two very important rule changes in the 1990's that transformed the game. 1) The 3-points for a win making winning that more important. Now you may see both teams going for the win late in tied matches, just to get those two extra points. That type of game strategy was seldom seen in the 2-point era. 2) That the keeper can't pick the ball up with his hands when receiving the ball from a team mate. That change, first implemented in the World Cup 1994, has made inte possible to press high as teams do nowadays. Before this rule was introduced you could always pass the ball back to the keeper and be safe. It was also used late in matches as a tactic to kill the clock. Very boring indeed.
So football has done rule changes to improve the game and both these changes has been a success I think. Going back further in time... about a century ago they changed the offside rule, from three players to two. Also to make the game more entertaining.
Let's be real, 90+% os all football matches have always been boring. I'm a 34 years old brazilian, have watched world cups since 98, italian seria A since around 2003 and brazilian seria A longer than that. Most of the times, I was deeply bored. Yes, when R9 played, Zidane, Ronaldinho and many others. More than 90% of the matches are full of boring moments and then there's a sudden burst of emotion when someone scores. Football has ALWAYS been like this. I still watch it, seeing one or two good plays and good goals are bizarrely worth all the other boring moments. This sport is weird like that. What bothers me is people pretending that it was so exciting, so thrilling, when reality is that 90's and 00's football was just a bunch of 0x0, 1x0 and, at best, 2x1 matches. But romanticism makes people misremember stuff.
Yeah, it just feels like nostalgia making people long for the days when it was still boring, buf it was MY kind of boring
@@man4437 Yep, even the speech is the same. Growing up, used to hear all the time that "football sucks now, it was so much better in the 70s and 80s". Best football is always the one from our youth, best players are always the ones we watched growing up. Of course it is, because we're more emotionally invested then.
i disagree, you would still watch the matches to see what R9 or Ronaldinho could do, now everyone just plays super boring and you know no player will do anything exicting.
@@GizmoMcs Have youi watched Real Madrid x Manchester City 3 years in a row in the champions league? All 6 games were freaking amazing. I'm absolutely astonished by what Vini does, or Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne and so on. Am I saying they're better than R9 or R10? No. But most of the game wasn't them with the ball. Ronaldinho played with Giuly, Van Bommel, guys who were kinda underwhelming to be honest. Yeah, there was also Eto'o, Deco and other good ones, but watching a game isn't watching a highlight youtube video, I watched a lot of Ronaldinho matches and a lot of times he wasn't that inspired. Whenever he was it was amazing, but he was never as constant as people like to pretend he was.
Very true mate.
I'm English and I vividly remember one day leaving my friends where I was having fun, to go inside to watch Blackburn v Bradford.
It was 1995 and I was 14 years old.
Within 5 minutes of kick I realised I'd made a mistake and should of stayed out playing with my friends.
It was so boring I changed the channel.
Football has always been boring untill someone has a shot.
Let's just give these positional managers like Pep a super league and 11 robots to duke it out, since that's clearly what they want. Why bother with pesky players who might have *gasp* some level of self-expression! What's more egregious is that even my local football teams aren't safe from this.
I think its bandwagon hopping - a few people said it now suddenly everyone's had the exact same opinion for ages.
"Boring robotic football" brought the most amount of goals in the prem last season
...but it has been said quietly for a few years now.....the talk has got louder because there are two international tournaments that has not overwhelmed the majority of football fans and league football season gone has not been exactly been "peek".
@@TGFLdn24What? Literally countless memorable games from last season.
@@haashim1411 memorable for being great exciting football that even non football fans enjoyed or memorable because there has been wins that was not expected?
@@haashim1411 ...But, if you enjoyed it great, there has been a few watchable moments, i just don't seem to get that impression from the reactions to football lately that this has been an exciting period on the pitch, But i guess this is all based on experience.
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A few games off the top of my head
Chelsea 4-3 United
Chelsea 4-4 City
United 3-2 Liverpool
United 3-3 Coventry
City 4-4 Chelsea
City 3-4 Real Madrid
United 4-3 Wolves
Liverpool 4-3 Fulham
Bournemouth 4-3 Luton
Newcastle 4-3 West Ham
Newcastle 4-4 Luton
And that’s just this season lmao, haven’t even got into the European leagues and other ucl games
Perhaps relying too much on systems and big data is what ruined football, it sucked out the creativity of players, they used to figure out the game with more moments of brilliance and skill.
Marcelo Bielsa: "Guardiola did a lot of damage to football"
Its more just that players are better and fitter then they ever have been. Tactics are tactics and you always play the best way you can. Ultimately with the high skill cap across the board, along with the exceptionally high fitness levels, you have to wear your opponents down to force them into mistakes. Keeping posession is the best way to do that, forcing the opponent to move, move, move.
Then your able to exploit that in the last 15 minutes of a game, when they finally do begin to tire and you have less tireness due to not having to have chased the whole game.
@@GamerFlair I agree, and you are right, modern football requires elite athleticism. I don't mind any of tactics, just some of the rules that allow teams to exploit flaws in the game and the refs that allow them. I guess tactical fouls grind my gears the most, many teams get away with too many without seeing a yellow card.
Guardiola isn't really the one to blame here. Coaches' job is to find a winning formula for the team and he found the best one yet. The problem is, there is only one or two counters to this type of football.
There are 3 ways to play against Guardiola:
1. Outplay in his own game. Which is almost impossible to achieve. But still possible.
2. Play a very very risky and provoking style of play which is as stated, very risky.
3. Play an extremely low block and try to close whatever space. Which is the easiest option but still hard nontheless.
@@RaulEdu33 Yeah, tactical fouls do get very annoying, although I suppose they are better then the old, lets just break this guys leg cos his too good fouls of old!
Ironically, tactical fouls are essentially what the dribbly boys now get used for. A team is never going to let you dribble though them, they will pull a tactical foul, so thats how dribbly boys get told to play, get the ball and dribble in places where we have practice set pieces from and draw the inevitable foul.
So essentially, coaches should try to do worse to please some people.
As you said, it's with all sports... NBA basketball, 3 point shooters became better so it became more of a 3 point contest instead of physical 1 on 1 game it used to be with dominating centers in the 90s and a lot of people hate that, a lot of people hate other aspects of modern day NBA too, but life is life. If a coach finds a way how to ''hack'' a certain sports and it is within rules, that is where it will move, until as you said, somebody else figures out how to break that new system. Only issue is that maybe since now sports are very stats and computer analysis driven - maybe this IS the best way how to play the sport so that could be the issue, maybe anything else than Pep ball or shooting a lot of 3s in NBA is the most optimal way how to win. In NBA they always can abolish the 3 point or move it further out, they have done it in past, with football it is more difficult, it is a more conservative sport where rules do not change that drastically
I don't blame him
I do
Olds will old
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That's why I love my team Tottenham,Ange's style is completely gung ho, full attack for 90 minutes
For me the two Neymar and Lucas Paqueta clips, where they each got booked a yellow card for doing a rainbow flick to get out of the corner are perfect examples for what I really don't want to see in football: Punishment for creative solutions and flashy skill moves. Sure, if you are in front of an empty goal and decide to go on your knees to head in the ball, that's just unnecessary and should be punishment but not simply showing off and letting the enemy players look bad. That's exactly why we love those type of players and if the opposing players get frustrated that's there problem.
Nah screw that players making other teams look stupid should be encouraged
@@symptomofsouls I agree. That's why we fell in love with those players. It's a important part of the beautiful game
@@mjtrommel I swear if a ref booked me for a rainbow flick I'm getting sent off, no way I would be able to stay cool after that
It's very sad to see football in it's current state but I think it's more of a reflection of society as a whole. There are great young players coming up, but there's something missing. We used to watch football for magical moments. Memorable games tended to stick longer because of the lack of social media that overanalyzes everything. There was a magical vibe in the air every time because life was so raw. The technique of top players was so refined you could literally see the 10s of thousands of hours put into it. The spontaneous, off the cuff, creative & system breaking creativity were encouraged and is now being suppressed. Players had a massive personalities & mentality. There were specialists. Lack of PR media training. Fierce rivalries. Flares banners hooligans all being removed slowly. VAR not allowing us to celebrate without the overlords allowing us. Goal celebrations were loader because everyone used to live in the moment without phones. So many more things that i'm probably forgetting. It's a bit of nostalgia mixed with 95% reality. Football unfortunately has lost most of it's magic.
To be honest, you all just need to branch out and stop watching English football. I mainly watch Bundesliga and Serie A and I am very entertained. The most entertaining football is not in england.
All these old players saying "game is gone" most of them couldnt make it in the modern game. Heck, Arsenal won multiple titles just because they enforced a diet and got them to stop partying at TGI Fridays or a pub after matches.
I mean Rooney is same age as Ronaldo and for sure if he maintained the fitness, he could make it in today's game. I don't think we can say 100% that people born in early 80s like Ronaldinho would not be able to compete. He is just 7 years older than Messi... and less so than Ronaldo
What is your definition of "entertaining"? From afar, I do not see/hear a lot of European fans "overjoyed" with the state of football. Brazilian league football fans do not overall seem overjoyed etc...i don't think this is a question just about English fans or Premier league fans...
Any human being that thinks Ronaldinho couldn't hack it in this dead, robotic era of football is a human being other human beings shouldn't be listening to for ball knowledge. The modern game is dusted and you know it is, you have to pretend it isn't because you have built a career off of it. I couldn't live like that, personally.