This Is What Happened When Qing China Invaded Korea With 150,000 Soldiers In 1636
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- In 1636, King Injo and his retainers seek refuge in a fortress as Qing dynasty forces from China invade Korea. The situation grows desperate as the king's advisers debate what course to take, while his people suffer and die in the fortress.
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The Fortress (2017)
wHaTs tHe mOvIE nAmE.
In 1644, Manchurian nomads and Mongolian nomads conquered ming dynasty(china).
The director of this movie is Hwang Dong-hyuk, the director of Squid Game
Many Chinese people are mistaken. Don't be ignorant. Joseon was not a colony of Ming Dynasty. How can Joseon become a colony when it has never fought or lost a war with the Ming Dynasty? Joseon, a small country, only maintained a toadying relationship by respecting the Ming Dynasty, a large country.
And REMEMBER that Joseon only resisted the Manchus because it respected the Ming Dynasty. The Manchus demanded that Joseon break ties with the Ming Dynasty. However, Joseon refused to do so to protect its fidelity to the Ming Dynasty and was invaded by the Manchus.
@@yusufbektas1961 What the name of the movie?
Manchuria (dongbei) = not china
Mongolia (outer + inner) = not china
Tibet (xizang) = not china
East Turkestan (xinjiang) = not china
Manchus, Mongols, Tibetans, Uyghurs are NOT Chinese. Zhonghua Minzu was artificially created by Chinese people to rule these foreign regions. Zhonghua Minzu is completely a distortion of history. Some Chinese are arguing Qing claimed first that Manchus and Han Chinese are Chinese, but that is distortion of history. They've never said Manchus are Chinese. They said "all the people under the emperor are one". Its clearly different. Qing banned Han Chinese to enter Manchuria. Qing didn't want to be assimilated by China. Qing forced Chinese people to dress like a Manchu. Manchus are totally weren't Chinese at all. Claiming themselves as China could be happen to rule China easier. But the Manchus has never wanted to be a Chinese. Xinhai Revolution was virtually independence movement of China. Chinese people murdered many Manchus after the revolution.
China is a location. Nobody gives a shit about ethnicity.
Nothing from China is true.
Korean are also now officially Africans after being conquered by the black American G.I.'s...nothing to do with "Joseon"...😂
Jeju =/= Korean...
They were not China, but they are China NOW. Get over it.
The title is historical incorrect. When the Manchus invaded Korean peninsula, the ruling dynasty of China was still Ming dynasty. The last Ming emperor was still sitting in the forbidden city in Beijing fighting a civil revolt. The Manchus had not taken control of China yet.
You are quite right
That’s true. This period should be called Late Jin Dynasty, not Qing
But Nurhachi, the founding emperor of the Qing Dynasty, his father and grandfather were both former generals of the Ming Dynasty. They themselves are an insurgent army in China
@@user-jw5bf5ny3z partially correct.. the actual founder of Manchu or Qing empire in china is Hong Tai-ji, the same one in this movie - who led the battle for Jonseon. It was Hong Tai-ji who change their name to Qin instead of ‘jin’..but he died in 1643 before the last Ming were defeated in 1644.
1644
Fun fact : the valley where Qing raiders and Joseon gunners fought now have a McDonald's restaurant (and Starbucks too)
Whattttt
LOL
한국에는 온 사방이 과거의 전쟁터기때문에 크게 중요하게 생각하지 않는 것 같습니다
The title of the vid is misleading... Those who invaded Korea in 1636 was Late Jurchens or Manchurians more exactly. Qing was the dynasty name after China was conquered in 1644 by Late Jurchens or Manchurians. The Chinese ethnic majority name at the time was Han ethnic majority group who still consider themselves legit Chinese more than other ethnicities today.
Im sure its super haunted!
Manchu are not Chinese but Inner Asian semi-nomadic Jurchen people from Manchuria
他们现在都是中国人，我的祖先是契丹人，我是达斡尔族，我也是纯正的中国人。
@@lilizhao-vc4up Unfortunately, you have lost your roots. Your ancestors must be shedding tears.
@@remido9321 We live a good life and have everything we want. Ethnic minorities are more respected in China, whether it is work or school, there will be more preferential treatment, and even the choice of marriage partners will be preferred
So as a privileged Chinese, I don't feel any dissatisfaction
And you have no right to speculate about someone else's ancestry, because you know nothing about it
Interesting Fact: Manchu/ManJu view themselves as bloodline of earlier Koryeo or Go-Koryeo. ManJu emperor paid yearly ritual to ancestors. Matter fact, last name of ManJu emperor mean “Love of Korea Silla Kingdom”. Silla is where 1st ManJu emperor came from and created Jin/Qing Dynasty sharing the border with later Koryeo Dynasty. For this reason ManJu Qing emperor spared Korea Joseon as they viewed themselves as brothers. Unfortunately, Ming Chinese were not spared and what ManJu people did to Ming Chinese people were worse than what Mongol Yuan did to Song Chinese.
In 1636, there was no Qing China yet. Only in 1644, Manchus crossed the Great Wall of China into Beijing, China and set up the Manchu Qing Dynasty in China. By 1700, the Manchus controlled the whole of China by defeating the Three Feudatories in southern China led by Han Chinese military generals rebelling against the Manchu rulers. The Manchu Qing Dynasty of China then lasted until 1911.
i think the qing treated the koreans with respect and they were allies i never heard that a war started between them
@@emperorkaido8539
The Koreans were vassals of the Ming Dynasty. In the battle of Sarhu in Manchuria, the East Route Army of the Ming Dynasty was composed of Koreans, with a total of 13,000 man, and was completely wiped out by the Qing army, Deputy Marshal kim Jingrui died in battle
" By 1700, the Manchus controlled the whole of China by defeating the Three Feudatories in southern China led by Han Chinese military generals rebelling against the Manchu rulers. "
This is the funniest joke I've ever heard. Anyone who knows a bit of history knows that the 3 Feudatories in southern China were all the founding heroes of the Qing Dynasty and the main force of the Qing Dynasty's attack on south ming Dynasty. They were Pingxi King（conquer the West） Wu Sangui, Pingnan King（conquer the south） Shang Kexi, and Jingnan King（ruler of the south） Geng Jingzhong. Their titles all come from the fact that they helped the Qing Dynasty pacify southern and southwestern China. Their titles in the Qing Dynasty have reached the level of kings, so they have gained a lot of wealth and power, and they are no longer willing to obey the orders of the Qing Dynasty royal family，Because they have a lot of power and have a higher status than many Qing royal families, the Qing royal family wanted to take back their military power, which directly led to their betrayal
the Three Feudatories in southern China are not Han chauvinists. Geng Jingzhong is a member of the Eight Banners, and the most honorable Xianghuang Banner (the army directly under the royal family). They only care about their own power. They helped the Qing Dynasty conquer south ming Dynasty. The last emperor of south ming Dynasty was defeated by Wu Sangui Strangled to death with their own hands, and when they were sitting in power, the Qing Dynasty royal family wanted them to hand over their military power, this is why they betrayed the Qing Dynasty
Korea are part of ming dynasty like Vietname.they don't have emopor but king. Their dragon only got 4 claw not 5 .only Chinese emopor got 5 claw call dragon. 4 claw call snake.
Korean history movies are very accurate. They do not hide their defeated past.
uhhhh no? as a Korean history buff, I must disagree
@@Modfet How so? The First and Second Qing invasions of Korea ended in defeat for Korea and they did not shy away from exposing the corruptness of the political figures of the time. This period of history was a bitter and painful time for Koreans and they portrayed it well in this movie.
@@declancain2988 well i was responding more in their accuracy, not the second part. From attire to tactics lot of them are inaccurate, and i see normal people researching to produce much more accurate contents. Growing up i watched so many shows that just… were more fantasy than historically accurate
@@declancain2988 even the movie that is being shown… do you really think Chosun had money to fully armor everyone?
@@Modfet Two things first off it isn't a documentary so we shouldn't critique it like it is, nonetheless, for a movie it is very accurate. Secondly, Joseon wasn't a poor country though it did isolate itself even from other Asian countries it had a VERY profitable trade with the Ming with Silk, Tea, and other products they produced. Also, from paintings and records the Kingdom of Joseon did well to equip its troops both on paper and in reality Joseon had a great military throughout the ages it was held back by the politicians. Great figures like Yi Sun Sin even fell victim to this as he was trialed twice in his life because of jealous rivals who wanted to steal his glory or corrupt ministers who wanted to dodge responsibility.
Qing is not Chinese, it was Manchu Kingdom, just like Yuan Dynasty was Mongolians. Manchurians are relatives of Koreans all from they same ancestors from the current Manchu area.
manchurians are not relatives of koreans, stop saying this fxcking idiot words, koreans are too weak though the whole history.
Not China but Manchuria
It doesn't really nowadays Manchus now speak Chinese and have Chinese last names. Manchuria is called Dongbei province.
@@LP18888 I mean between 1636 and 1637 Qing dynasty did not govern mainland China even at an inch. The expression 'Qing China' makes people misunderstand the circumstances of that time.
I am a Manchu, and my Manchu surname is Wuya. We Manchus are a harmonious nation, mainly composed of Jurchens and Han people from Liaodong, as well as some people from the right wing of Mongolia. Before Nurhaci founded Manchu, we also spoke Chinese. When we write Chinese characters, we must be Chinese.
There was no China back then, only dynasties. Foreigners can't seem to grasp this concept...
@@user-ni9mj1km5j i thought you guys spoke and wrote manchurian back then
The title is wrong or is distorting history deliberately . Chinese had been enslaved by Manchus for several centuries until 1911 revolution. During the invasion of Manchu, mass massacre occured in middle and southern China. And It resulted in Chinese's submitting to Manchu and becoming slaves for centuries.
Qing(/Manchu) is not considered China. Plus this is before Qing conquered Ming(=china). The reason Korea fought Qing is because Korea didn't want to break ties with China(Ming)
I’m Manchu and it ABSOLUTELY is China
@@hellohi1925 The Manchurians will eventually become Chinese later. During this timeperiod (1636), the Manchus aren't considered Chinese "yet." Chinese at this point is heavily tied to the adoption of Han-Chinese culture. The Ming Dynasty was the main/only Han Chinese state at this point and they were still fighting the Manchurians.
@@hellohi1925 We call it slave.
Quing Manchu invaded Korea, not Quing China, Quing Manchu later conquared Ming China.
I like the debate between Kim and Choi on death or survival.
I wish they're this passionate on defending the really experienced generals that got whipped and the other one who got executed for failing to send help.
What they didn't ask is the details on the prime Minister action, his refusal to listen to the more experienced generals who previously scored a victory against the Mongol.
Minister Kim get to see first hand that all the people who lost love ones wish to see spring, but he still insist on the death path.
😅
Since ming dynasty helped Koreans against Japan a hundred years before.. Koreans has been extremely loyal to the Ming dynasty... Even manchus took over China.. Koreans never pledged their loyalty to the Manchu empire.. good for Koreans!!!!!
Japanese did sent envoy to korea for the king to accept samurai reinforment against the barbarian Jurchens. However, korean’s hatred towards japanese were deeper than against jurchen.
@@alohasnackbar3544 source?
@@alohasnackbar3544 LOL. I'm sure if the Japanese invaded your family over and over, you will hate them too.
Yes they look down manchun as babarians
@@ffgjgurh3255 read up.
Technically, Qing was not China at that time. Their territory was Manchuria, not mainland China(south of The Great Wall).
Manchuria was not part of China until Manchurians conquered Ming China.
Not exactly. Nurhachi was the adopted son of a local official in the Ming Dynasty, and his clan was only one branch of the Jurchen tribes. Jurchen is not the only ethnic group in Manchuria, there are also Han, Mongolian and other ethnic groups living there, and they are all ruled by the Ming Dynasty. In fact, the term Manchuria appeared very late, and as early as 2,000 years ago in the 燕国, the Han people established their rule there.
@@leethen9925 there’s only one China in the sinosphere history, and that includes Qing and Korean historians. No one disputed that Ming was CHINA. In 1636, Ming was 9 years before its implosion from peasant rebellions.
@@kenh758 I respect your historic view, but I don't agree.
@@user-rv8eg3vv5q I appreciate your comment but what don’t you agree, my highlighting the historical fact of Ming’s implosion in 1644 or the historical record of one China chronology?
It's not accurate. The Ming Dynasty controlled the territory of Manchuria. When Japan invaded Korea, the Manchu leader Nurhaci proposed to the Ming Dynasty emperor that he could help Korea, but was refused. Later, Li Rusong, the general in charge of Manchuria, helped Korea. At this time, Manchuria was under the jurisdiction of the Ming Dynasty, and Nurhaci was an official of the Ming Dynasty
Qing didn't officially existed until they totally destroyed the last resistance of Ming in 1644. Although Northern part of China was already conquered by then
You don't know much about history. The name of the country was designated as the Qing Dynasty(ᡩᠠᡳᠴᡳᠩ ᡤᡠᡵᡠᠨ) in 1636.
@@DoDo.ShibalYeah as you said "Name only" but the title of this video say "Qing China" which didn't really officially existed yet. At the time Ming was having a civil war with Li Zhiseng who established the short lived Shun Dynasty and also still battling against the Manchus. The Manchu changed their name into Qing after taking a large portion but still not offiicially conquered whole China yet until 1644 that Qing Dynasty started.
This movie is only set when the Manchu was still in war with the Mings and hasn't reached to Beijing yet.
Southern Ming lasted up to 1662
Before this historical event, the Joseon Dynasty lost all of its famous generals and elite troops in charge of the northern border due to civil war. there is no if in history, but that is very unfortunate. And the Korean who gave directions during the invasion was a man who lost his father, a famous general(Han myeonglyeon) , in that civil war.
this wonderful movie dared to face the true and tragic korean history directly,and showed restore the traditional hairstyle custom of early manchu and fluent manchu language clearly.
I also noticed the Manchu men's hairstyles. I've watched a few Chinese dramas set in the Qing dynasty, and most of them are quite loose when it comes to the accuracy of the overall looks of both men and women, particularly the men's hairstyles. Literally none of them replicate the real hairstyles. It is said that the pigtail was supposed to fit through the middle of a (Chinese) coin during the early to middle years of the dynasty, but in most dramas, the men have a head almost full of hair. I wonder why they avoid it so much, when the Chinese are generally so particular about historical accuracy in media. There are dramas set in other eras where they did copies of museum pieces and recreated looks from ancient paintings. You'd think the Qing would be the easiest dynasty to depict, as it is the most recent one.
@@mariag.215 My English is not good,I am afraid it maybe difficult to explain clearly through putting into
English.
I am not professional and don't have all the answers is right, but maybe I can steer you in the right
direction.as you know Manchu tribes conquered the whole china in the 17th century and built a huge
multinational empire towards civilization from barbarism .
It was deeply resisted to “shave manchu hair” and “change manchu outfits” during the process of
conquer，on the surface, shave hair instead of just from han chinese hairstyle to Manchurian hairstyle,
actually it contained serious collision about politics and culture, besauce of han chinese strong
traditional culture and history in the relatively.
to learning from the fall of the Han chinese Ming Dynasty, Qing emperors were relatively sane and
just ruler at the beginning of their reign in China.
as an ancient chinese sage Confucius's words says“Everything that we have are given by our parents（
身体发肤，受之父母）”,han chinese had used to wearing thier hair up in stand of cutting hair.
in order to appease the sentiment of nationalist han Chinese and retain a steady and effective
reign,this maybe a compromise in a gesture of kindess from the rulers of Qing dynasty about
the“loose hairstyle” you mentioned.
you can compare the Chinese hairstyles on the old videos were shot in peking in the late Qing dynasty
，you will find many interesting things.the title of the video is wrong,it not in 1920, In fact, it's
almost certainly true that the videos were shot in the temple fair in Xicheng District of beijing in
1909.I was born in Xicheng District in Beijing.
ua-cam.com/video/jPfg1GOBZaE/v-deo.html
@@mariag.215 and this in 1909 White Cloud Temple(白云观) in Xicheng District of beijing frome 5:10 to 7:50
ua-cam.com/video/jPfg1GOBZaE/v-deo.html
@@mariag.215 ua-cam.com/video/HBAAS-I3mpc/v-deo.html
So sad when I see this movie… live by the sword and die by the sword… the same thing that the Qing did to the Korean was done back to them when they had to kowtow to the Western powers in the Boxer rebellion. So Hong Tai ji never expected that his descendants will be humiliated as he has humiliated the Koreans… so nothing is forever… blessed are the merciful….
Then western powers are cause of world war 1, 2
Human greed is unlimited
Yes.. nice insight.
Doesn't it all play back like that all the way back Khitans Song Jurchen Tartars Ming Qing CCP all the way back to the Zhou it's how the world rotates I guess
His descendants switched to Han Chinese surnames and used Chinese. His descendants, Wu Jing, starred in movies with more than four billion dollars at the box office. The starring movies include Wandering Earth 1, Wandering Earth 2, Wolf Warrior 1, and Wolf Warrior 2. Integrate into China
I like your analysis and insight.
I read somewhere years ago that wars usually take root from the ego and pride of rulers at the time. Where peace was achievable if pride was discarded, the combination of ego and hubris which blind the rulers' hindsight and perception leading them to further hatred of one another, sparking war/s. "Love" really is the answer to quell the hatred in every man's heart. And God is the source of that love.
There's also another Korean movie that is set in this time period, "War of Arrows" (2011) was the title. I remember rewatching it numerous times because I liked the concept of warriors chasing each other with bows and arrows throughout the wilderness.
The men chasing the main Korean character searching for his sister were Jurchen warriors employed as border/frontier guards. Even their dialogue was recreated Jurchen language.
You dont know what are you speak about old wars was more complicated then some modern technology
As a Manchu myself, I listen and dance to K-pop songs. Show some respect for the Koreans
💀
Wu Jing is also a Manchu, and the wolf warrior is very fierce
Many of the northern Korean armies defected to the Manchus that’s how Manchus got so strong and overran Joseon easily.
Haha crazy chinese man
@@purevjargalpuujee4845 I’m offended…
I watched this movie twice on separate international flights. Korean movie making and story telling surpass Hollywood, Chinese and Bollywood by miles and miles.
This movie is good and more close to the reality. However, some Korean drama and movies vilify China and distort history. For example "The Great Battle" film in 2018. China emperor Tang Taizhong was one eye blind by arrow shot. It's very ridiculous.
What’s the name of the movie please?
@@ThaiNguyen-lr3sz “The Fortress” It’s currently on Netflix in North America.
@@dannycccattang taizhong was chased by the Koreans and hid in the village. Haha there were Chinese interviewed and confessed it. He lost the war against the Koreans.
@@dannycccat nobody fabricate and distort Korean history more than the Chinese and Japanese because of their inferiority complex.
The Qing Manchus and Joseon were the same people and part of Goguryeo. According to the Qing royal documents, Kim Hambo of Goryeo is the first ancestor. The reason the Qing treated Joseon so well was because they were the same people. After that, when the Qing attacked the Ming, a massacre occurred.
Thirteen years before this battle, in the Battle of Sarhū, the Ming Empire had sought to eliminate the Manchu threat, amassing a 100 thousand man army and Josean sent about 13,000 men to help. The goal of that campaign was to annihilate the Manchu state in its infancy. Now they were decisively defeated by a Manchu army of about 60,000, half of the size of combined Ming-Josean forces. Had the Ming and Korean armies been successful, the Manchu state (later Qing) just wouldn't have existed and its people would have faced massacre (as had happened in 1467). So Korean took active part in an effort toward the Manchu's elimination and annihilation while the Manchus merely demanded capitulation from the Koreans by becoming a tributary state. This historical background needs to be noted.
When nvzhen reach 10k they are no beatable
Manchu are from nvzhen seberian . Also Yan, North Wei, North Zhou, North qi, Sui, tang , Great Jin and Qing...
사실은 2만명에 가까운 병사였다
No there's no need because it's pointless
Why it's people to face massacre? 😒
At the time, Qing was never Chinese but Manchurians! Manchurians are relative to Koreans. People have got to know the facts in history right!
good film to feature the incompetence of the Korean king and royal court.
what should they have done then Mr.Smarty pants? Fight to the end, Korea gets erased from the map? A peasant like yourself would never understand the responsibility of a King.
@@chaehoyi1986 oh look we got a badass over here. watch the movie before you cry out. Joseon dynasties has always been tainted by corruption,greed incompetence. This movie featured that all.
@@Jupiter.141 pffft, yes i'm sure you know all about the Joseon history like you lived in it... seen too many kdrama i suppose?
you blame rich people, politicians right? yet, you didn't even graduate high school and work at Subway...
@@chaehoyi1986 lmao. You can't even make a proper argument sorry kiddo not going down to your level.
@@Jupiter.141 what argument? I simply stated the truth as it is. You base Korean history on a movie, you know 90% of the story in 'based on true story' movies are made up right?
Let's be honest here, you never read a single book about Korean history. Now, get back to making them sandwiches...make sure no mayo on mine...
at that time, Qing is not China.
Qing is China.,
I agree.
There was no such thing as "Qing China" in 1636. Only the Later Jin.
Only 2 nations suvived as neibour as indepent countries or semi independent country over 1000 years. Vietnam and Korea.
There is also the Mongols
Korea was almost always independent country. The countries that has ruled Korea was only two, Japan and Mongolia.
Mongolia has big swath cut out by the CCP.
@@seoul_louis9584몽골의 식민지가 아니었다. 원나라 황제의 공주들이 시집오던 부마국이었다. 고려의 군사나 왕실의 일에 간섭했지만 고유의 문화와 제도에도 손대지 않았다. 그리고 머지 않아 원의 간섭에 저항하고 벗어난다.
Uhhhh there were like 4 periods where Vietnam was annexed by China
Correction here, I have this movie and read about Korean and Chinese history. These are not Chinese, but Jurchen. The Jurchen originally descended from the 'Donghu', meaning a race of 'Non Chinese' barbarians from the western regions. The 'Qing' dynasty conquered the 'Ming'. The Ming Dynasty wasn't involved with the Jurchen invasion since the Ming themselves couldn't effectively field any troops as they were tied down by numerous rebel bands springing up and the Ming Chinese Army continually suffered a number of defeats.
Jurchen/Manchu is not descended from Donghu. Donghu is the forefather of Xianbei, Khitan, and Mongols. Jurchen's forefather is Yilou. Yilou and their descendant Mohe were often became part of the Korean states of Buyeo, Koguryo, and Balhae. After Balhae was destroyed by Khitan in 926, Mohe people became independent and developed into Jurchen.
Qing is not chinese. Its Manchurian.
Yuan is not Chinese. Its Mongolian.
They aren't han ethnic dynasties
@user-go2fl1ow2k and not chinese
But all Manchurians today identify themselves as "Chinese". There are no more Manchurians today. So when they talk about their history, it's now Chinese history. The race does not exist anymore and the land is absorbed by China. Koreans shouldn't tell Manchurians how to describe their own history, they call themselves Chinese today. Go find someone that calls themselves Manchurian. LOL
I am Manchu, I am Chinese, I am not your father
South Korea is a one-ethnicity country. You have difficulty to understand China. China is a multi-ethnicity country, way much larger than Koreans.
Qing was not China. Its more like Indian empire, a country that was under the rule of the british empire. Qing is Manchu, not Chinese.
통일된 유목민들은 항상 중국을 치기 전에 후방을 안정시키기 위해서 한국을 먼저 공격하여 굴복 시킨 후 중국을 침공해왔다. 거란족이 그러했고 몽골족과 만주족이 그러했다. 거란은 실패했지만 몽골과 만주는 성공했다. 그리고 중국에 제국을 건설한다.
At the time, Ching is a Manchu word. And at that time, Ching is a Barbarian Manchu. The savage that Koreans and Chinese hated so much. Ching barbarian Manchus massacred Chinese and Koreans indiscriminately at the time.
Southern China hated Qing for destroying Ming dynasty...but the Northern Chinese is Qing....that's a fact.
500k Korean people were captured to Qing dynasty? Ive never heard of that. But Most of them has came back to Korea.
Its not 500K. Its 50K
500k is impossible. Because Qing's population was only 1 millon at that time. Qing didn't conqure China yet.
Lol Qing was NOT China. It's like saying Mongol Empire was China. Qing was a Manchu/Jurchen empire. In 1636, China was ruled by Ming dynasty, to which Korea pledged allegiance. In 1644, Manchu Qing invaded China and took over northern China. But Korea continued to use Ming customs and calendar, and in fact maintained Ming Chinese practices inside Korea to modern times, while China fell to Manchu rule.
So China didn't exist from 1636 to 1912 according to your logic
@@Theophan123Ming China existed as an empire ended in 1644, when the Manchus captured Peking. Southern China continued to resist Manchu conquest for a few decades. After Manchu conquest, China became a colony of Daicing Gurun, just like Outer Mongolia (Inner Mongolia was part of the Manchu alliance), Tibet and Central Asia. They built their colonies along side major Chinese cities, and implemented a Manchu-supremacist policy on the Chinese. There was a very clear caste division in Daicing Gurun based on ethnic exclusivity and segregation, with the ruling caste brutally oppressed and enslaved peoples of their colonies. It was devastations in China, Mongolia and Inner Asia.
There was constant Chinese, Muslim, Mongol, Hmong and other anti-Daicing rebellions happening all the time. In terms of culture and modern progress, Daicing was a regression from Ming for China. Ming was open to western modern influence. Some of the most important ancient Greek works were first translated in Ming with the help of Jesuits. The last emperors of the Southern Ming even converted to Catholicism. In terms of technological capacity, Ming was on par with other major empires. In fact, under Qing rule, soldiers once dug up some old Ming cannons, and they fired those cannons. They were surprised to find out that those cannons worked much better than the coarse Qing cannons. The soldiers lamented that if they knew that China was already producing such cannons more than a century ago, they would not have had to use bad Qing replication of some old European cannon. Not just that, Qing soldiers had no idea how to operate cannons, such as measurement of distance and angle. Nor how to shoot. They were encouraged to use bow and arrow instead, along with spears and swords. The Ming forces knew how to precisely and effectively use cannons and other guns, in fact, they won the war against Japan in Korea partly because of their firepower advantage. (In fact, the first chieftain-turned-emperor of the Jurchen/Manchu empire, Nurhaci, probably died from wounds caused by a Ming cannon, in the last battle he led (it was a siege of a walled city).
Technological progress in China stopped, and got disconnected from the rest of the world. The Manchus had a dream of maintaining this "eternal peace" for eternity (of course, at the cost of brutal enslavement and torture of its subjects, and constant wars against rebellions). Imagine a country that remained the same for two freaking centuries, sealed off from the world. More than 200 years. While the rest of the world was changing rapidly, with the reign of modern capitalism and the industrial revolution. At the same time, Manchu supremacy on everything and every colony of the empire maintained till the very end, until Manchu-rule was abolished by the 1911 Chinese revolution.
@@Theophan123 So yes, China did not exist as an INDEPENDENT country from 1644 (not 1636, in 1636, China was still independent from Qing, behind the Great Wall) to 1911. It was one of the realms of a foreign Manchu empire.
Bullshit. All Man people are Chinese who only speak mandarin and marry with Han people. My cousin married with a Man girl. Qin may conquered Min China but Qin was completely conquered by Chinese culture and became a China defender facing Mongols. Qin China was a founder of today China’s territory.
@@mantraveling4755 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡 "Chinese defenders against Mongols", bro, the Mongols were literally part of the Manchu alliance that oppressed the Chinese. Mongolia was part of Qing empire, literally. Qing was the successor of the Mongol Empire, in fact, Qing rulers were first and foremost Khagans. Emperor is the Chinese title. Do you realize that the Manchus ruled the country IN MANCHU not Chinese? They had their own writing system, and they communicated internally with Manchu. The Chinese were never allowed any powerful position. Up until 1911, the Qing government was still run by Manchu aristocrats, and racial segregation was only abolished after the revolution. The Chinese were never trusted by the Manchus. Just because the Manchus gradually adopted Chinese culture doesn't mean they were the same as Chinese. The Ottoman Turks adopted Persian culture, but that doesn't make them Persian.
The director of this movie is Hwang Dong-hyuk, the director of Squid Game
Found the Qing dynasty to be fascinating. While they had yet to conquer China by the time of this film, the Manchus did have connection to China since the Early Jin dynasty at the 12th century (a Jurchen dynasty). The Jurchens were, in fact, the Manchus with just name change because of Hong Taiji’s attempt to appease the Han and promoted back that Jin link.
qing dynasty wasnt proclaimed til 1644. In this film it says the invasion happened in 1636 which would mean the Jurchens still called themselves "Later Jin Dynasy" not Qing(1644). lol
They have Qing name since 1636 April. Bro check it. They conquered Mongols and have ceremony in April 1636.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Qing_dynasty
Han chinese called Qing the real name still JIN in machuria language
@@tendybear4899
Asin means gold/golden in Manchurian btw....
Jin means golden in mandarin chinese and was the old dynasty name for the Jurchens(manchus) of the 1100s.
Qing means pure and has a completely different meaning to Jin. in 1644 the Jurchen renamed themselves Manchu and since the Chinese Ming Dynasy used "Ming" which means bright, the Jurchen tried to one up the and use "Qing" which means pure. Before 1644 the manchu khagan/khan used Later Jin Dynasty but his son settled on the name "Qing" instead which was the name for all its history since.
Though the royal family Aisin Gioro(Golden clan) adopted Jin as a surname post 1920s.
Pretty sure this happened before Train to Busan
If you guys just think about it if Admiral Yi was still alive at this time beacuse the invasion of Joseon didn't happen that long ago Korea may could've win if Admiral Yi didn't die.
They couldn't, he was not god, the gap between Manchus in 1636 and Japs in 1590s was even bigger than Japs & Johsen army in 1590s...
@@user-rf2pk1dw2i oh
He would be too old to lead an army against Manchus at that time
They could have win if the fortress lasted longer, korean southern 3 provinces army were approching to the fortress to save the king.
@@jonathanresurreccion2995 He may come up with useful strategy.
China is a multi-ethnic country, and the Qing Dynasty was still China, because the Manchu inherited the system, culture, Chinese characters and language of the Han people in China. The fact is that the Han people assimilated the Manchu.
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It’s quite sad in historical context due to king Injo’s indecisions throughout his reign, left the kingdom of Joseon weakened all the way up to when japan would take over Korea and the nation would struggle for years to come facing civil war and crisis after crisis. Still today the nation remains divided.
The Yi family's rule over the peninsula for 500 years destroyed our original culture and our dominance in East Asia. Before the Yi's rule, we didn't have a caste system, anyone regardless of birth class or gender was able to serve in the military or take government seats. The Manchus never succeeded in invading Goryeo's 500 years. The only good thing that came of Yi's family is Hangul, Korean writing system and Yi Sun Shin. Other than that, it was abysmal and weak, riddled with too much Chinese culture.
Idiot 😒
@@NYCMonkey23 korea have never been a dominant force in north east Asia. It’s culture was also wholly imported from Chinese kingdoms and dynasties throughout history. It’s unfortunate to see south koreans today destroy and deny their own culture for the sake of ultranationalist agendas.
King Sejong is often depicted in Korean dramas as the king who created the Korean alphabet because he loved and cared for his people so much. Yet, we tend to overlook his policies that ultimately destroyed Joseon in the long run, particularly the slave act. Due to this act, approximately 60--70% of the Korean population were slaves during the late Joseon dynasty. Before Sejong's slave act was enacted, children born from a Yangban male and slave female were considered Yangbans; however, the slave act altered this law by making them slaves. Consequently, this increased the number of slaves, and one Yangban family would end up owning as many as 300 slaves. The slave act also took away the basic human rights of slaves by demoting them from human-beings to properties. Thus, they could not take the civil exams to serve in the military or government even after serving a certain number of years as slaves, unlike the Koryo and prior Korean dynasties. Furthermore, the slaves had no court rights if a crime was committed against them since the act was enacted . Yangbans could basically kill, rape, and beat as many slaves as they wanted as they were nothing more than properties. Korea was never a dominant country, but it certainly wasn't a poor country either. It was strong enough to fend off multiple northern and southern invasions and also had the ability to expand its northern and southern territories. (At one point in history, it was the center of trades and arts.) However, all that expansions/development stopped and Joseon quickly deteriorated into a third-world kingdom after King Sejong's reign.
@@Weeeeeeeeeeh 불행히도 너는 잘못된 지식을 배운것 같다. 노예제도는 세종 이전에도 있었고, 역대 왕들은 노예와 양반의 숫자가 너무 늘어나거나 줄어들지 않도록 여러번의 재도개선을 시도했어. 세종도 그중의 하나였을뿐이고, 노예제도가 망가진건 5번의 왕의 교체후에 성종 때 였어.
Qing Empire was founded and controlled by the Machu's/Jurchen's who were similar to the Mongols, living a nomadic lifestyle on the horse in the harsh environment of the steppes.
Qing is not Chinese! Manchu empire
I want to see a movie of mongol invading korea the reason i only see and watch china invading korea, japan invading korea and north invading south but the invasion of the mongol empire still wasnt made a movie of it
I really want to see Mongol invasion Korea too, because a Vietnamese prince name Ly Long Tuong (Lee -Yong Sang) also leading Korean army and defeated the Mongol in 1232.
Source: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_Long_T%C6%B0%E1%BB%9Dng
This is not China invading Korea, this is Qing invading Korea BEFORE it invaded China. Qing first made sure Korea cut ties with China (Ming), and then Qing invaded China when China was in a civil war. Both Korea and China were invaded by Qing.
@@nguyensonbinh8621After the Mongols occupied the cities and appointed a governor, the Koreans rebelled, and then the Mongols began to attack. Mongols never lost a war or battle to Korea!!!
@@nguyensonbinh8621there were seven major campaigns!! All were successful in what the Mongols wanted for Korea.
they won’t make one because modern day koreans have this silly notion that they are related to the mongols and therefore mongol conquests are really korean conquests LoL
Don't spread rumour! Qing dynasty didn't start in China until 1644! Korea was invaded by Manchuria people who were the next neighbour of Korea.
qing is not a chinese
you got it wrong, in 1636, Manchu was still only in Manchuria, they haven't even started conquering China. They weren't China at the time.
만주족은 중국에 대한 정복의 의지를 표명하기 위해서 1636년에 국명을 청나라로 변경한겁니다.
그리고 실제로 1644년에 중국 북경을 점령합니다.
Isn't this film on Netflix? Looks familiar 🤔
I was thinking the same thing
Yes, available in USA
Movie name .?
@@Nattylarn Korean movie:The Fortress (2017) -- with English subtitles
the fort commander was whipped 30 times and the lieutenant is executed, also it is the Jin Dynasty since the Manchus have not reached Peking yet.
Qing is Manchu, not Chinese
Doesn't matter now day they all belong to china!! Go cry baby! , HAHAHAHAHAHA
Qing, Nurhachi, actually followed the "Khan" tradition and their ancestors were actually founded by a royal family member that left Shilla (1 of 3 Korean kingdoms). The Han Chinese that rule today are descendants of Ming Dynasty. The Qing were more related to Mongols, Koreans, and Siberians. I know to those Westerners it's confusing since to them we all look alike, but genetically and culturally they're not even close. It's the same in Europe, Italians aren't genetically related to the rest of Europe even though they may look white, which was proven by genetic and DNA testing.
incorrect, the manchus have nothing to do with koreans and ethnically koreans are far closer related to Han Chinese. Please stop spreading ultranationalist bs
@@schmidt720404 altaic is a fringe theory that is largely dismissed by mainstream academia and only promoted by ultranationalist elements in turkey and korea dreaming of some pan turkic empire that never existed
@@janusjones6519 Your name is not even Janus Jones you CCP goon. Every normal human being with brains know that Koreans, Siberians, Turks, Mongols are born with the Mongolian birth mark which Han Chinese dont have. Get lost commie troll
@@janusjones6519 you are misinformed
The Han Chinese, who lived in the plains of China, are a distinct race from the Mongols, Manchus, and Dongyi -today's Koreans.
The Mongols, Manchurians, Koreans, and Turks are all descended from the northern mounted nomads, and share genes and share the same myths. The Turks who migrated to Turkey later also originally lived in this area.
The Chinese and these northern nomadic peoples are different in all aspects of clothing, mythology, and culture.
@@delmont2793 genetic and linguistic studies says otherwise. Read actual research instead of rubbish on the internet. altaic is fringe bs and not accepted by mainstream academia. only idiot koreans.
Qing wasn't actually china during these times 😅
We need to change the title. The Qing Dynasty had not yet crossed the Great Wall, but the nomads of Manchuria. This was the enemy country that the Chinese were most wary of at that time, and it was also the target of the Great Wall defense. In the Ming Dynasty, Korea belonged to its own forces, vassal states. A decade later, when the Qing Dynasty climbed over the Great Wall and entered Beijing, declaring itself master of China and the Great Khan became Emperor of China, it took decades for Manchurian rulers to unify and change the dress and hair styles of all of China. Make the braid a symbol of the colonization of China. So at the time the film was made, the Qing Dynasty was the aggressor, just like the Mongols, nightmarish nomadic barbarians. But after the Qing Dynasty conquered all of China in the 17th century, the whole territory changed, and many areas such as Manchuria and Mongolia were merged with Chinese territory into one empire. In modern territory and historical memory, they are described as one. Most modern Chinese do not distinguish between these concepts and do not refer to the bloody truths of history. After 1644, the Manchurian regime killed countless people, and North Korean films depict similar incidents. Thousands of Chinese men refused to shave their heads, and those who refused to wear ponytails were beheaded for public display, until the entire population of ordinary China was convinced that braids were an inherent tradition. By the early 20th century, the image of the Chinese man and the pig's tail were being linked worldwide. Sad... Literati at the time described the Qing Dynasty's rule over China as "not only the subjugation of the state, but also the subjugation of the whole world."
Many Chinese people are mistaken. Don't be ignorant. Joseon was not a vassal state of Ming Dynasty. How can Joseon become a colony when it has never fought or lost a war with the Ming Dynasty? Joseon, a small country, only maintained a toadying relationship by respecting the Ming Dynasty, a large country.
And REMEMBER that Joseon only resisted the Manchus because it respected the Ming Dynasty. The Manchus demanded that Joseon break ties with the Ming Dynasty. However, Joseon refused to do so to protect its fidelity to the Ming Dynasty and was invaded by the Manchus.
@@implantier2 i don't think China ever vassal any states, they call it tribute state that give something like tax to China. And have culture exchanges.
@@implantier2 the funny thing is, China don't do vassal states. You are wrong in your first sentence. Many Korean people are mistaken I guess. Try to seek your glory in the future NOT IN THE PAST. SIgh
여진족은 몽골 투르크인들 처럼 유민목이 아니다 유목을 하는 집단과 선박을 이용해 물고기를 잡는집단 농사와 수렵을 하는
집단 이 뒤섞여 있었다 누르하치 이전부터 여진족은 무역과 농업 수렵이 주요 생산 수단 이었음
조선으로 이주한 여진족들도 많았는데 그들은 주로 선박을 이용해 생선을 잡는 어부 였다
@@JKMT huh lol
Name of this movie is ??
It was Manchuria at that time, not Qing (China) yet ... please don't add randomly
Qing is NOT chinese, that is a total BS, Qing is Jurchen empire, do you call the Mogol empire the chinese? chinese were slaves to Jurchen
17:33 was the best part
It takes lots of courage to divulge shameful past of a nation like how Koreans are doing in this movie. It'd never happen in China full of nationalism.
Faking history as usual😂, this event is called 'Qing invasion of Joseon' and the Qing army was merely 50,000 at most, nowhere near 150,000. The three major commanding generals of Qing soldiers were Dorgon, Ajige and Dodo.
in that time,they haven't rule whole china,which means they were not china at that moment,so wrong title
Manchus, Mongols, Tibet and Uyghurs are not Chinese and "Zhonghua Minzu" is fake
Do African American, Asian American, Hispanic American count as Americans then? Chinese is made up by many different ethnicity groups. Just like people in the USA. I do agree the the Manchus in the movie (during this time) is not Chinese.
@@jampy1398 The United States was founded by immigrants from around the globe. And in case of China, Chinese nationalists artificially created "Zhonghua Minzu" and brutally ruling over ethnic minorities.
@@jampy1398 China is just Han Chinese people's nation. China is not multi-ethnic nation and Zhonghua Minzu is fake
Based on your logic, the US and Canadian governments also killed many Native Americans and brutally ruled over many other minorities for a long period of time. Does that make all these ethnic minorities non-American or non-Canadian? I absolutely hate the CCP as well for how they are treating the monitories, but still Chinese is made up by many ethnic groups: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_China.
@@seoul_louis9584 WTF, Zhou dynasty wasn't even Chinese, Han Chinese is a modern myth, at the beginning, the Manchus called "Han" someone which is not Manchu, Uyghur, Tibetan or Mongol, it was the majority of the population but not a ethnic name, the Huaxia people were the true Chinese people and Huaxia were the sons of Huangdi and Yandi and they were Tokharian myths.
is this before or after zombie outbreak in Kingdom series??
Good grief. I was expecting a movie, not someone reading me a book.
general Lee has been really busy
Koreans' respect for Chinese Confucian culture is revered. Thank you for remembering the Ming Dynasty during the most perilous of times.
Wasn’t it highlighted in the movie that Chosun king betrayed Ming by kowtowing to his new master?
@@kenh758 They did not betray but remained neutral in China's dynastic change. At this time, the founders of the Qing Dynasty had not yet entered Shanhai pass. The Ming Dynasty has not yet perished. The king of Joseon was simply threatened with the demise of the country. As a last resort, he submitted to Hong taiji.
@@kenh758 If you want to understand the meaning of the plot, you have to study the situation in East Asia in the first half of the 17th century.
@@nirvana3921 no, the king specifically defied Ming requirement for a king to sacrifice himself at time of adversity (simply kill himself) and had forsaken his ancestors (joseon was founded on the premise of being the descendants of Shang dynasty Prince Ji) by kowtowing to a barbarian. The Manchus were not a contender in China at that time. They were let in by Ming general at the last resort to counter peasant rebellions a decade later.
@@nirvana3921 please enlighten us with what’s going on during that time.
title please
The Fortress (2017)
Nice video :)
This is just a movie...
To watch...
No more....
No less...
No other meaning...
loved this movie
Title
@@tonyusman6167 the fortress 2017
bro qing is not china
qing is manchuria
500,000 Josean citizen plus the Southern Armies, defeated by 120,000 Qing troops. It shows gross mismanagement of the military organisation and possibly mismanagement of the country. It shows the lack of "Tao", the common cause, as described by Suntzu Art of War. Should all the 500,000 citizens take up arms, they should prove to be a huge resistance against the Qing army which travelled very far, weary and tired. Josean has home ground advantage, while Qing has to deal with supplies of food to sustain a 120,000 troops. Anyway, it is already history. Lessons from the past obviously were not learnt.
Bro this war like trained Boxer vs Normal people. No matter how many there are. Manchus taken Beejing 1644 with only 50000 troops vs 3 million Civilian and armys. Normal people dont wanna risk life.
@@jungemanner4915don’t talk if you don’t know Korean history. It was the Yi gwal revolt against Joseon and most of Northern Korean armies defected to Manchus. That’s why Manchus had easy time invading Korea.
@@baekdumountaintiger5701 They werent defected, it was rebellion against politics. Yi gwal's army were the main force Joseon prepared for northern invasion.
Qing is like germanic peoples of east asia. Just as Germanic conquered Rome and established a country. Qing conquered China and established a country. But Unlike Mongol, Qing people failed to return and rebulild country in thier mother land(Manchuria) after the fall of power.
Qing China?
its Qing Manchuria
Do you know what China mean? It is English name.. chinese call China the middle earth kingdom
@@hanbing1051 and the Qing is Manchurian
Dai-Qin
@@hanbing1051 the people of sinosphere (all of modern day Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Japanese included) called “China” the Central Core, the one axis where all other nations revolve around. It’s no different from Christian concept of one God above all. In 1636, that Central Core was Ming.
what's the bgm?
Qing is not china
The rich powerful always invade not the poor.
Qing China haha. They werent even Chinese, probably never spoke any Chinese.
Originally they spoke their native language but eventually it died out and they assimilated into Han culture but that did not save them from vengeful Han people.
but the Qing emperor considered himself as Chinese, but a foreigner like you call them not Chinese. All of them now are Chinese as other Chinese race.
@@peacelover2008 ohh wow were you there with Emperor? Did he tell you that in your ear? 🤣
@@peacelover2008 also consideration and actaulity is two different things btw.
@@islamicfukistanisocialistr2758 crazy how they lost their language and started using chinese.
In 1492 the new continent was invaded and looted by several Europeans nations
Many people are stupid to use modern western nationalism to define ancient China. In ancient China, there are only two kinds of people, either Han people or Hu people (barbarians). If a Hu person is willing to give up his identity, then he is a Han person, and the same Han person goes to the grassland, then he will become a Hu person. After the establishment of the Qing Dynasty, the Manchu people have been integrated into the Han culture, of course, they also retain some of their own customs.
호인들이 지금의 중국으로만 가서 살았던거 같지만 조선 반도에도 수많은 여진족이 와서 살고 있었음
조선왕의 호위 무사가 여진족 추장의 아들들로 채웠었음
수십년 전 홍콩에서 만든 영화를 봐도 만주인을 중국인이라고 하지 않고 이민족이라고 했다.
That’s huge mistake,that’s Qing hadn’t invade china before this history happened
What is the name of the movie ?
남한산성 (NamHanSanSung)
배우들이 너무 호화로워. 다른 영화 속 광해군과 두 명의 이순신이(한산, 노량) 등장하는 엄청난 영화..
They invaded Korea during the winter?
That's unexpected.
theyre manchus, a hardy people ike the mongols.
cuz they can cross the rivers without boats
What movie is this?
The fortress
Chosen King bow and whole army go away Crazy More like inspection
same with squid game director.
500 thousand my god if im the king i will encourage that 500k people to fight the enemy is less 150k
Lol, i dont think you are smart enough to be a king. It's not 500k people at one go, it will be a decades long agreement and mostly woman and children.
@@chaehoyi1986 excuse me sir did you hear the story of the recap it says that after the king surrend the chinese army slaved 500k of korean king people b4 you react try to listen to what the narrator said and i dont know about the movie im just reacting to what the narrator said ok so be calm
@@johnjosephalvior5285 it's more of a common sense? where are you gonna find 500k people in weeks? like i said, not smart enough to be a king...
@@johnjosephalvior5285 its not chinese, its jurchen.
Are you kidding me....those machurian are not beatable if they reach 10k. Most of them are hunter and warriors . They just kick the last Mongolian kingdom ass linda khan and defeat them totally.
What's the name of the movie...
fury
@@user-ny4ui7ow5n😂
The term China was only established after the end of Qing Empire in 1911, Becoming the Republic of China. Before that it was Qing Empire, Ming Dynasty, Yuan Dynasty. No one calls it China back then...
1:04 why did he kill the old man?
노인이 주변 지리를 잘 알고있었기 때문입니다.
노인이 청나라에 남한산성에 대한 지리 정보를 알려줄 수 있다는 리스크를 감수할수 없었기에 죽였습니다.
그리고 데리고 가면 먹을것이 부족할것이기 때문에
Title is wrong. China was controlled by Ming at the time, Qing doesn't exist yet.
만주족들은 1636년에 중국의 정복에 대한 의지를 표명하기 위해 국호를 고쳤을 뿐입니다.
1636년 만주족이 당시에 실제로 중국을 정복했는가는 중요하지 않았습니다.
중국 정복에 대한 의지를 나타내기위해 국명을 바꿨을 뿐이니까요.
그리고 실제로 1644년에 만주족은 북경을 점령합니다.
Jurchen Manchu invasion of Korea
Movie name pls
fury
I didn't understood why he killed the grandfather
Ming Dynasty save Korean from Japan Invassion
매우 위대한 영화지만 상업적 성공은 거두지 못함. 패망한 상황에서 그나마 국가적 자존심을 내려놓고 평화를 구걸해 국민들의 생명을 보전할 것이냐, 국가적 자주성은 곧 국가의 넋이자 정신이며 따라서 굴욕적인 평화 대신 끝까지 싸우다 죽자던 주전파. 두 입장의 내러티브가 참으로 절절하게 잘 써진 영화인데, 번역을 고려하면 해외반응을 기대할수는 없었던 영화. 난 두 입장이 너무 잘 이해되어 보다 울었음. 한국어로 봐야 맛을 제대로 느낄수 있는 작품