Yes -- I first had one that a friend with a lathe made for me, but now Londinium have the slip-on tool in stock: londiniumespresso.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=347&search=fitment
Hi Jonathan Ong, no you don't. If you have not previously applied lube with PTFE in the system the no-grease seals do fine without grease as per their name. On the other hand, if you have yourself previously applied lube with PTFE (the factory doesn't) then you need to rigourously clean it and since some of it may still remain for a certain amount of time, you could in that case apply a tiny bit of lube like Haynes Lubrifilm Plus to make the smooth slide-life of the seals easier.
@@palefire I only applied the molykote 111 compound with my previous cafelat silicone seals, But I've clean the whole group and the piston with citrus oil, do I still need to apply? been using the no grease seals for a month right now, so far the seals didn't giving me any problem except that there's is some slight rubbing noise during the brewing
@@JonathanOng-l7y Two friends also tried the Cafelats and they don't work well in the higher pressure of the Londinium brew group. In dipper style connections they work well since there is a low (boiler) pressure on the seals. In two cases it was almost impossible to pull the piston wit Cafelats out and the sleeve was pulled out with the piston, after which it took a lot of pulling to get the sleeve off. All due to the Cafelats getting completely stuck to the metal surface of the sleeve. You could check if there is really no particle trace of the stuck Cafelat left. It can be like chewing gum that people spit out on a marble floor and the cleaner has to work hard to get the last remaining goo off. It's possible that citrus hasn't removed all Cafelat silicone icky stuff. So maybe rub it smooth carefully with CIF and a non abrasive sponge, then maybe a tiny bit of Lubrifilm Plus... Enjoy!
Hold on a second! There’s a tool for putting on the piston seals? 😮 aw man, i’ve spent soo long battling to put those things on 😂
Yes -- I first had one that a friend with a lathe made for me, but now Londinium have the slip-on tool in stock: londiniumespresso.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=347&search=fitment
@@palefire well it’s about damn time! 😂 thank you.
Regular White Vinegar will also to remove scaling from Calcium, Lime and Rust.
If those are the new no-grease Londinium seals, is it now advisable to add Haynes Lithium Plus to them?
I don’t know what Lithium Plus is, never used Lithium in my espresso 😃
@@palefire Lubrifilm! 🫢
So do we still need to lube the no grease seals?
Hi Jonathan Ong, no you don't. If you have not previously applied lube with PTFE in the system the no-grease seals do fine without grease as per their name. On the other hand, if you have yourself previously applied lube with PTFE (the factory doesn't) then you need to rigourously clean it and since some of it may still remain for a certain amount of time, you could in that case apply a tiny bit of lube like Haynes Lubrifilm Plus to make the smooth slide-life of the seals easier.
@@palefire I only applied the molykote 111 compound with my previous cafelat silicone seals, But I've clean the whole group and the piston with citrus oil, do I still need to apply? been using the no grease seals for a month right now, so far the seals didn't giving me any problem except that there's is some slight rubbing noise during the brewing
@@JonathanOng-l7y Two friends also tried the Cafelats and they don't work well in the higher pressure of the Londinium brew group. In dipper style connections they work well since there is a low (boiler) pressure on the seals. In two cases it was almost impossible to pull the piston wit Cafelats out and the sleeve was pulled out with the piston, after which it took a lot of pulling to get the sleeve off. All due to the Cafelats getting completely stuck to the metal surface of the sleeve. You could check if there is really no particle trace of the stuck Cafelat left. It can be like chewing gum that people spit out on a marble floor and the cleaner has to work hard to get the last remaining goo off. It's possible that citrus hasn't removed all Cafelat silicone icky stuff. So maybe rub it smooth carefully with CIF and a non abrasive sponge, then maybe a tiny bit of Lubrifilm Plus... Enjoy!