The Pony Express of the westward expansion had a "Orphans Preferred" policy in their recruitment. Orphans creating purpose through their adventure makes sense because orphans have little to leave behind. Fern was untethered when Heiter passed and Stark when he slew the solar dragon. And of course, Frieren can't collect novel grimoires while sitting idly by.
@@Doodlesthegreat I read the manga. Land is, Ubel is unknown, Denken is a widower, and assume an orphan. We'll have to see with Ubel after what we learned in chapter 140...
There's a problem with Fern's parents death. You assumed that they died because demones make the world unstable but I beg to differ. They died in the southern lands some 70 years after the demon king's defeat. After whitch the southern lands have been largly unaffected by demons. Its actualy only after demons stoped being a threat that humans started warring among themselfs. In a way, Fern's parents died as a consequence of the hero's party's victory.
Yeah I think it’s mostly this, we see multiple cases of demons killing parents and creating orphans throughout the show, we know it’s at least the case for Stark
Land is an orphan. This is revealed in the manga. We just haven't gotten that far in the anime. Season 3 should get there. Not sure about Ubel, but assume so from what little we know.
@@vicentebahamondez196 we don't know if she was being taken care of by her sister. Am open to the idea, but until we get more info, am neutral to the idea.
I could be misremembering but out side of the major cities we also don't see very many old people in frierens world so the population it's self seems to have a shorter life span as at least a few of the old people we do meet are dwarves or in heiters case a powerful cleric blessed with the goddesses magic. So we have a world with a lot of young Orphans and not very many old people, assuming I'm remembering the number of old folks we meet in the story correctly. Could even be a part of the story about the world maturing along side our cast in this era of peace
It's very simple. It's about as much of a coincidence as it would be for Doctors to find out that another Doctor also studied to become a Doctor. "What? You ALSO went to Medical school to become a Doctor? What are the chances?!" The cause has an effect.. and it brought them together. Their experiences brought them together. One way or another.
It is much simpler. Having family in Frieren's world has similarities to our communal societies. People with family have obligations to the family and indirect obligations to the community the family belongs to. In the US, it is not uncommon for small rural towns to have a "hive mind". Generally, the kids go to the same school. Everybody attends the same set of churches. Everybody shops at the same market. Most of the working age members are members of the same occupation like agriculture, mining, logging or support those who work in those occupations. In conclusion, everyone with family can have a place of employment, belief systems are consistent, and they have a place in the community. Orphans have less social expectations to contribute to that society. (It's like spending Thanksgiving dinner with a family that is not your own. Feels awkward.)
it's kind of a weird thing - you don't think of a full grown adult as an orphan, but he states that those stone cairns he does are in honor of his late parents
You got me! I’d made an edit of a Curb clip about adult orphanhood for him, it had to be cut to upload. I suppose he’s technically an over 400-year old orphan
When Frieren wanted Eisen to join her in her travels, he said he was too old to swing an axe. Since dwarves lifespan is around 300 years, I estimated that Eisen was about 200 years old. We saw Eisen praying at his parents graves, but that doesn't mean they died when he was young. For all we know, they died of old age. Also, I don't think that Flamme was an orphan. Serie took her in because she was a talented mage. Not because she was an orphan. Serie is not the kind of person that would take in orphans. Serie said that Flamme as a child had all these fanciful ideas of what she was gonna do. Not exactly acting like a grieving child who had just lost her parents. I think her parents saw an opportunity for their child and they took it. Their talented daughter mentored by an elf mage, what could be better.
@@PedroPalaciosJr Flamme specifically mentions her village was also destroyed by demons also, like I mentioned, we don't think of adults as orphans, but seeing my parents lose their parents to old age, their grief was absolutely devastating
Please mr Abe make Wirbel, the dude who grew up in an eternal warzone, have his full family alive and happy. Also i understand not including her, but Edel seems to have the fam alive and kicking as well.
it was done well because not all of their parents died for the same reason it helps create relationships between characters and serves a role nartively and when you think of the characters you dont remember them for being an orphan it doesnt define them grief and lost of someone is also a big part of what frieren is about i dont feel sad for stark because his parents died i feel sad beause of the way they treated him i dont feel sad for frieren because her parents died i feel sad because of the regrets she has because of himmel heiter himmel and eisen you arent supposed to feel bad for them because of their parents death sein you dont feel for him because his parents died you feel for him because of his regrets to become an adventurer denken you feel for him because of his dedication and love for his wife not beause his parents died flamme you dont really feel bad for her but if you had to it would be because serie didnt show her enough love not because her parents died it just a little detail it s not used in a way to make you feel bad for the characters except for fern and land
I think there is a social dynamic here. Who are able to take orphans? Priests and mages, maybe kings and rulers. So, an orphan taken in by a great mage would naturally become a mage. An orphan taken in by a priest would naturally become a priest. One taken in by a warrior like Isen...
This series is usually cozy because we are watching this series from the POV of our main trio and the original hero party (Flashbacks). Frieren a legendary elf considered to the last great mage who defeated the demon king while earning the title of slayer from demons themselves. Fern a apprentice mage so talented that she did something in the moment which serie's best student couldn't do for decades + she can cast REALLY fast. Stark the warrior who scared eisen one of the greatest warrior if not the greatest. when he was a just kid. Stark is so strong he can solo a dragon in his first real fight ever Original hero party was broken too that being said they still had a lot of trouble fighting demons specially the greater ones. I assume a average person in this world isn't so fortunate like our main trio
The defeat of the 'Demon King' and near extinction of the demons was only about a single generation back, as such there are plenty of people around still who were alive or born right at the tail end of that time. Some demons probably went on rampages after the death of their 'king', either out of shatter ego(after all the very strongest among them was killed by quartet of people whos races Demons considered 'prey') or simply to kill as many as they could before they too were hunted down and slain.
This is after the first test of the 1st class mage exam. He was talking about how he could stay up late and how he’s so happy from that fact that it’s scary.
I'm calling it now with this speculation. Frieren isn't an orphan. Her parents are or were alive into her adulthood. She just forgot to go see them, which is behavior with a lot of precedent for her.
Also I'll drop this tidbit, even with variation, pretty much the average life expectancy in medieval times was from 30 to 40. You didn't get to live to old age back then. Himmel and Hitter living so old are abnormalities that can be attributed to healing magic and their high standard of living after their adventure. Life in those days was was literally back breaking/killing work. Add in the demon army and the problem gets compounded.
@@ryssamartin1622 quick google search quotes: The average life expectancy of medieval kings of England and Scotland was 48 and 51 years, respectively, between 1000 and 1600 AD. also: In medieval England, boys born to landowners could expect to live to be 31.3 years old, but those who survived to age 25 could expect to live to be 50.7 years old. And : Peasants in the English manor of Halesowen could expect to live to be around 50 years old, while poor tenants could expect to live to be around 40 years old, and cottagers could expect to live to be around 30 years old.
Does Freiren count as an orphan? She could have been hundreds of years old when her village(and presumably her parents were murdered) would you count an adult with dead parents as an orphan?
The elf age is tricky yeah, it’s difficult to tell with the design and their approach to age, I see her as at least young in an elf-view of the world in the flashback but its interpretation
i loved this anime and its certainly one of the best one to come out in its season, but the amount of characters that basically had the same origin story just makes it so...bland... its an overused trope that directly affected the story negatively imho, and comparing it to Dungeon Meshi's character origin story which tbf also came out around the same time, Frieren's just pales in comparison. the world building's magic system is definitely Freiren's strongest point in comparison, but we all know that Dungeon Meshi's strong point lies in the dungeon ecology, world building-wise
@@anryXcurse it has a better representation of magic, imo. it truly exemplifies magic as a science by showcasing collective human ingenuity in magic. seeing humans discover a way to completely block killing magic through years of research is the exact kind of world building i dig
@@anryXcurse frieren world building is great it gets better and better with each arc in the manga dungeon meshi is a completly different world and a more peacefull one and for the orphan thing i think it was done well because not all of their parents died for the same reason it helps create relationships between characters and serves a role nartively and when you think of the characters you dont remember them for being an orphan it doesnt define them grief and lost of someone is also a big part of what frieren is about
@@alamrasyidi4097 there is no way that ruins the anime for you dungeon meshi is a completly different world and a more peacefull one it was done well because not all of their parents died for the same reason it helps create relationships between characters and serves a role nartively and when you think of the characters you dont remember them for being an orphan it doesnt define them grief and lost of someone is also a big part of what frieren is about
@@alamrasyidi4097 why you replied to my comment twice lol. But no Frerien world building sucks. I've seen less popular fantasy anime with better world building. Frerien added nothing new to the settings. It's just literally some copy paste of another fantasy anime with some rpg elements. Also the magic system was non existent. Almost all the fights the characters were just throwing random projectiles. Im not hating but Frerien is the most overrated anime release this century.
When the Demon King came into his power he initially began a genocidal war of extermination against all Elves which would explain why there are so few Elves left in this world. He then moves on to Humans such as Stark's warrior village. But he meets his end at the hands of Himmel. And that is not even counting human-human wars. So yeah there is going to be a lot of orphans. If this sounds implausible then consider the very real 30 Years war (1618-1648) which exterminated upwards of 50 % of the German Population estimated at 4 to 8 Million dead. And that was just a tussle over religion.
The Pony Express of the westward expansion had a "Orphans Preferred" policy in their recruitment. Orphans creating purpose through their adventure makes sense because orphans have little to leave behind. Fern was untethered when Heiter passed and Stark when he slew the solar dragon. And of course, Frieren can't collect novel grimoires while sitting idly by.
I think it’s because their parents died
lol best comment
I think you are only looking at surface symptoms here.
Sounds like my GP/doc
Also because everyone is an orphan in anime.
@@jakubvo5293
You: "It hurts when I do this."
Doctor: "Don't do that."
Answer... stable families do not tend to produce adventures they tend to recreate stable families.
Well, Their world is filled with monsters and powerfull magical beasts while humans as a species are still learning magic, so it makes sense.
I think they are very welcome to the underground
You're telling me that EVERYONE ARE ORPHANS!? How did I not noticed that lol
Not everyone. Lawine isn't, as we see her mom. No idea of Kanne or some of the other mages.
@@MichaelRBrown-lh6kn Land is, according to the manga. Ubel probably is, and Denken's a widower.
@@Doodlesthegreat I read the manga.
Land is, Ubel is unknown, Denken is a widower, and assume an orphan.
We'll have to see with Ubel after what we learned in chapter 140...
@@DoodlesthegreatDenken is also an orphan. His parents died when he was a boy and he was taken in by his future wife’s father.
So if demons are kinda orphans is frieren the orphan slayer.
Techno would be proud
At last someone brought the orphan background of so much characters in Frieren up in a video. Good job.
a lot of homeless people are just orphans that turned 18 without being adopted by a family.
"heater"
There's a problem with Fern's parents death.
You assumed that they died because demones make the world unstable but I beg to differ.
They died in the southern lands some 70 years after the demon king's defeat.
After whitch the southern lands have been largly unaffected by demons.
Its actualy only after demons stoped being a threat that humans started warring among themselfs.
In a way, Fern's parents died as a consequence of the hero's party's victory.
And zoltraak
its because of great mage minus
I think the war with the demon king has something to do with it?
Yeah I think it’s mostly this, we see multiple cases of demons killing parents and creating orphans throughout the show, we know it’s at least the case for Stark
According to Frieren, the Demon king reduced the human population to 1/3 from its peak.
Land is an orphan. This is revealed in the manga. We just haven't gotten that far in the anime. Season 3 should get there.
Not sure about Ubel, but assume so from what little we know.
Imagine if Ubel's revealed to have a large loving family that's still alive. It'd be kinda funny.
@@tjpprojects7192well her big sister is missing for sure, but we don't have story about her parents
I think the fact that she was being taken care by her sister implies that she is an orphan too
@@vicentebahamondez196 we don't know she was being taken care of by her sister, just that she did stuff with her older sister.
@@vicentebahamondez196 we don't know if she was being taken care of by her sister.
Am open to the idea, but until we get more info, am neutral to the idea.
I wouldn't say that it's a terrible world as much as a world transforming from a terrible world into a more peaceful world.
I could be misremembering but out side of the major cities we also don't see very many old people in frierens world so the population it's self seems to have a shorter life span as at least a few of the old people we do meet are dwarves or in heiters case a powerful cleric blessed with the goddesses magic.
So we have a world with a lot of young Orphans and not very many old people, assuming I'm remembering the number of old folks we meet in the story correctly. Could even be a part of the story about the world maturing along side our cast in this era of peace
It's very simple. It's about as much of a coincidence as it would be for Doctors to find out that another Doctor also studied to become a Doctor. "What? You ALSO went to Medical school to become a Doctor? What are the chances?!" The cause has an effect.. and it brought them together.
Their experiences brought them together. One way or another.
Have a happy new year Comfy Lilin
It is much simpler. Having family in Frieren's world has similarities to our communal societies. People with family have obligations to the family and indirect obligations to the community the family belongs to. In the US, it is not uncommon for small rural towns to have a "hive mind". Generally, the kids go to the same school. Everybody attends the same set of churches. Everybody shops at the same market. Most of the working age members are members of the same occupation like agriculture, mining, logging or support those who work in those occupations. In conclusion, everyone with family can have a place of employment, belief systems are consistent, and they have a place in the community. Orphans have less social expectations to contribute to that society. (It's like spending Thanksgiving dinner with a family that is not your own. Feels awkward.)
Eisen was an orphan? How did I miss that?
it's kind of a weird thing - you don't think of a full grown adult as an orphan, but he states that those stone cairns he does are in honor of his late parents
You got me! I’d made an edit of a Curb clip about adult orphanhood for him, it had to be cut to upload. I suppose he’s technically an over 400-year old orphan
When Frieren wanted Eisen to join her in her travels, he said he was too old to swing an axe. Since dwarves lifespan is around 300 years, I estimated that Eisen was about 200 years old. We saw Eisen praying at his parents graves, but that doesn't mean they died when he was young. For all we know, they died of old age. Also, I don't think that Flamme was an orphan. Serie took her in because she was a talented mage. Not because she was an orphan. Serie is not the kind of person that would take in orphans. Serie said that Flamme as a child had all these fanciful ideas of what she was gonna do. Not exactly acting like a grieving child who had just lost her parents. I think her parents saw an opportunity for their child and they took it. Their talented daughter mentored by an elf mage, what could be better.
@@PedroPalaciosJr Flamme specifically mentions her village was also destroyed by demons
also, like I mentioned, we don't think of adults as orphans, but seeing my parents lose their parents to old age, their grief was absolutely devastating
Please mr Abe make Wirbel, the dude who grew up in an eternal warzone, have his full family alive and happy.
Also i understand not including her, but Edel seems to have the fam alive and kicking as well.
This is a pretty common thing in anime not just Frieren
Does make me wonder why dead parents are such a common trope in anime?
sometimes people get really old and their parents die
it was done well because not all of their parents died for the same reason it helps create relationships between characters and serves a role nartively and when you think of the characters you dont remember them for being an orphan it doesnt define them
grief and lost of someone is also a big part of what frieren is about
i dont feel sad for stark because his parents died i feel sad beause of the way they treated him
i dont feel sad for frieren because her parents died i feel sad because of the regrets she has because of himmel
heiter himmel and eisen you arent supposed to feel bad for them because of their parents death
sein you dont feel for him because his parents died you feel for him because of his regrets to become an adventurer
denken you feel for him because of his dedication and love for his wife not beause his parents died
flamme you dont really feel bad for her but if you had to it would be because serie didnt show her enough love not because her parents died
it just a little detail it s not used in a way to make you feel bad for the characters except for fern and land
I think there is a social dynamic here. Who are able to take orphans? Priests and mages, maybe kings and rulers. So, an orphan taken in by a great mage would naturally become a mage. An orphan taken in by a priest would naturally become a priest. One taken in by a warrior like Isen...
This series is usually cozy because we are watching this series from the POV of our main trio and the original hero party (Flashbacks).
Frieren a legendary elf considered to the last great mage who defeated the demon king while earning the title of slayer from demons themselves.
Fern a apprentice mage so talented that she did something in the moment which serie's best student couldn't do for decades + she can cast REALLY fast.
Stark the warrior who scared eisen one of the greatest warrior if not the greatest. when he was a just kid. Stark is so strong he can solo a dragon in his first real fight ever
Original hero party was broken too that being said they still had a lot of trouble fighting demons specially the greater ones.
I assume a average person in this world isn't so fortunate like our main trio
The defeat of the 'Demon King' and near extinction of the demons was only about a single generation back, as such there are plenty of people around still who were alive or born right at the tail end of that time. Some demons probably went on rampages after the death of their 'king', either out of shatter ego(after all the very strongest among them was killed by quartet of people whos races Demons considered 'prey') or simply to kill as many as they could before they too were hunted down and slain.
To the tune of the llama song
She's an orphan
He's an orphan
They're another little orphan
This one has two parents
Ha just kidding they're both dead
6:11 Where is this clip of Stark from? I don’t remember seeing it in the anime, or am i just remembering incorrectly?
This is after the first test of the 1st class mage exam. He was talking about how he could stay up late and how he’s so happy from that fact that it’s scary.
I'm calling it now with this speculation.
Frieren isn't an orphan. Her parents are or were alive into her adulthood. She just forgot to go see them, which is behavior with a lot of precedent for her.
i was writing a story and i was thinking to myself, damn it has too many orphans but ig its fine.
where are the parents in Pokemon???
sick mic bro
Also I'll drop this tidbit, even with variation, pretty much the average life expectancy in medieval times was from 30 to 40. You didn't get to live to old age back then. Himmel and Hitter living so old are abnormalities that can be attributed to healing magic and their high standard of living after their adventure. Life in those days was was literally back breaking/killing work. Add in the demon army and the problem gets compounded.
Bruh. Medieval life expectancy was skewed by rampant child mortality. If you made it to 5 you stood a pretty good chance of seeing 70.
I was about to comment that too. People mistake average for most common way too often.@PersonOfNoConsequence
@@ryssamartin1622 quick google search quotes: The average life expectancy of medieval kings of England and Scotland was 48 and 51 years, respectively, between 1000 and 1600 AD. also: In medieval England, boys born to landowners could expect to live to be 31.3 years old, but those who survived to age 25 could expect to live to be 50.7 years old. And : Peasants in the English manor of Halesowen could expect to live to be around 50 years old, while poor tenants could expect to live to be around 40 years old, and cottagers could expect to live to be around 30 years old.
@@EadTaes actually read the results next time
Does Freiren count as an orphan? She could have been hundreds of years old when her village(and presumably her parents were murdered) would you count an adult with dead parents as an orphan?
The elf age is tricky yeah, it’s difficult to tell with the design and their approach to age, I see her as at least young in an elf-view of the world in the flashback but its interpretation
i loved this anime and its certainly one of the best one to come out in its season, but the amount of characters that basically had the same origin story just makes it so...bland... its an overused trope that directly affected the story negatively imho, and comparing it to Dungeon Meshi's character origin story which tbf also came out around the same time, Frieren's just pales in comparison. the world building's magic system is definitely Freiren's strongest point in comparison, but we all know that Dungeon Meshi's strong point lies in the dungeon ecology, world building-wise
World building is one of the weakest writing in frerien. lol
It's just a copy and paste of another fantasy anime with some rpg mechanics.
@@anryXcurse it has a better representation of magic, imo. it truly exemplifies magic as a science by showcasing collective human ingenuity in magic. seeing humans discover a way to completely block killing magic through years of research is the exact kind of world building i dig
@@anryXcurse frieren world building is great it gets better and better with each arc in the manga
dungeon meshi is a completly different world and a more peacefull one
and for the orphan thing i think it was done well because not all of their parents died for the same reason it helps create relationships between characters and serves a role nartively and when you think of the characters you dont remember them for being an orphan it doesnt define them
grief and lost of someone is also a big part of what frieren is about
@@alamrasyidi4097 there is no way that ruins the anime for you
dungeon meshi is a completly different world and a more peacefull one
it was done well because not all of their parents died for the same reason it helps create relationships between characters and serves a role nartively and when you think of the characters you dont remember them for being an orphan it doesnt define them
grief and lost of someone is also a big part of what frieren is about
@@alamrasyidi4097 why you replied to my comment twice lol. But no Frerien world building sucks. I've seen less popular fantasy anime with better world building. Frerien added nothing new to the settings. It's just literally some copy paste of another fantasy anime with some rpg elements. Also the magic system was non existent. Almost all the fights the characters were just throwing random projectiles.
Im not hating but Frerien is the most overrated anime release this century.
When the Demon King came into his power he initially began a genocidal war of extermination against all Elves which would explain why there are so few Elves left in this world. He then moves on to Humans such as Stark's warrior village. But he meets his end at the hands of Himmel. And that is not even counting human-human wars. So yeah there is going to be a lot of orphans. If this sounds implausible then consider the very real 30 Years war (1618-1648) which exterminated upwards of 50 % of the German Population estimated at 4 to 8 Million dead. And that was just a tussle over religion.
Uhhhh the demons.. duh
Less people to draw and animate.
Bad writing
not in this case its well done