Hawker Hunter: Britain's Bold Leap
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2023
- Join us on a journey through the skies of history with our latest documentary feature: "The Hawker Hunter: Britain's Iconic Jet Fighter - A Comprehensive History." This in-depth video explores the legacy of the Hawker Hunter, a trailblazer in military aviation that has stood as a symbol of air combat excellence for over seven decades.
Discover the dramatic evolution of jet fighter technology, beginning with the game-changing Messerschmitt ME-262, which marked the dawn of the jet age. Witness how this technological leap rendered propeller-driven planes obsolete and spurred a global race for air dominance.
Delve into the challenges and triumphs of British aviation post-World War II. Learn about the complacency that initially slowed Britain's jet fighter development, and the subsequent urgency that led to innovative leaps. We take a close look at the Hawker Hunter's development journey, from its inception as a response to the Korean War's demands to its remarkable service record.
Experience the detailed history of the Hawker Hunter, from the initial F1 model, plagued by limitations, to the advanced FGA.9 variant, a testament to the aircraft's adaptability and enduring relevance in military aviation. Explore the various roles the Hunter played, from its initial purpose as a high-speed interceptor to its later use in ground-attack missions and training roles.
Witness the Hunter's global impact, from its critical role in the Suez Crisis to its participation in conflicts across Asia and Africa. Understand how this iconic British fighter jet not only matched but often outperformed its American and Soviet counterparts.
Our documentary features rare footage, expert interviews, and detailed analyses, offering aviation enthusiasts and history buffs a comprehensive view of this remarkable aircraft. Whether you're a military aviation aficionado or new to the world of jet fighters, "The Hawker Hunter: Britain's Iconic Jet Fighter - A Comprehensive History" promises an engaging and enlightening experience.
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Such an elegant aeroplane, an aesthetic jet equivalent to the Spitfire
If it looks right, it is right....
Agreed,when you get up close to them the lines are flawless.
Agreed, but descended from the Hurricane. The Hurri's virtues were that it was easy to maintain, easier to fly for inexperienced pilots, a wide-spaced undercart enabling operations from poor airfields, The Hunter could be refuelled and rearmed in just eight minutes. The RR Avon engine was the jet equivalent to the Merlin.
I fell in love with the Hunter when I first saw one. that was more than 60 years ago. Between her and the F-86, you can't get much better.
Living in California, we still see ex-Swiss Hunters streak through our sky here as part of ATAC's adversarial training fleet.
Former swiss F5 were bought, too...
@@VickzqI saw the F5s a couple weeks ago
Oh so lucky
All your current USN and USMC F-5s are former Swiss airframes with VFC-111, VFC-13 and VMFAT-401. ATAC has flown former Swiss Mk-58 Hunters out of both Point Mugu and Newport News. We fly them in a 4 tank configuration and a telemetry pod and usually an EA pod…they aren’t very spritely in that configuration…takes a while to get up to speed.
@@wtpeasley I see them operate out of the jet center at KSMX
In the war between Peru and Ecuador in 1995, these Hawker Hunter planes were used by Peru throughout the whole war over the Amazon jungle. These planes were enough to win the war. A couple were shot down thought. There were no need to use the Mirage and the Mig 29.
One of the most beautiful aircraft ever! There’s an airworthy one at Tauranga, NZ last I looked. Also a non-flying one.
They may not be in direct military service anymore, but they're still seeing military use! I knew nothing about the Hunter until I started seeing some flying around my town in the last couple of years. Turns out they're owned by a government contractor that provides aggressor aircraft for US military training.
To me the hunter is still the most aesthetically beautiful plane ever produced. more so the single seater
It's still one of the most beautiful fighter jets ever. And I could still tell a hunter from any other plane by the distinct wine of the engine!
Agreed. My absolute favourite of all jet fighters. Everything about it just looks right. Truly a beautiful looking bird.
That whine comes from the cannons, actually
To be honest this plane is aesthetically beautiful to look at alongside the Avro Vulcan and the British Electric Lightning.
English Electric!
The Victor is very tasty as well
Hard to believe there are no longer any British jets in production and only one left in RAF service...
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Sandyboy Britain has the worlds second largest aerospace industry after the US, BAE Systems is Europe's biggest defence constructor and Rolls Royce is the biggest European jet engine company. Intercompany and international co-operation is what produces successful aircraft and other weapons systems these days. For instance, as you know BAE Systems is a principle partner in the F35 project that Germany is belatedly buying into. The British were in from the start with the JSF programme and whilst some other European companies also joined Germany stayed out, that is of course until Russia put the wind up them and now they want in.
As you know Britain has the biggest share by nation of the Eurofighter Typhoon. Britain had an equal share with Germany in the Panavia Tornado through British Aerospace and MBB respectively, as you know British Aerospace is still a British company as BAE Systems whilst MBB was swallowed up by the international concern EADS.
It is international co-operation and footprint that has won the B-52 re-engine contract for Rolls Royce with their BR 725 (F130) engine that will be built in Rolls Royce's plant in Indianapolis. As you know Rolls Royce otherwise produces its BR 700 series engines at its Oberursel plant although some of the more complex parts are produced in the UK for assembly by Rolls Royce's German workers.
Don't forget the Canberra, also a beautiful aircraft.
The Hawker Hunter was a regular sight in the early-mid 1960's at RAF Khormaksar. I lived near the runway, although it's over 60 years ago, I still remember the elegant, beautiful but deadly aircraft roar down the runway to strike targets in the Yemen. I also recall an English Electric Lighting streaking down the runway and hurtling into the sky. It was in Khormaksar performing hot weather trials. I'd also watch the Avro Shackleton lumbering along, It may have been a good surveillance aircraft but it was so noisy, not as noisy though as the Fairey Rotordyne being built and trialled by Fairey Aviation at RAF White Waltham.
To be fair Hawker went through a careful development program from the Sea Hawk to the Hunter. First the P1052 literally a Sea Hawk with a swept wing. It actually under took aircraft carrier trials. Then the P1071 a sweptwing Sea Hawk but with the Nene ducted to a single exhaust at the rear. This demonstrated the aerodynamic limits of using the big diameter centrifugal Nene turbojet highlighting the need for the smaller diameter and more powerful axial Avon and Sapphire jet engines. Incidentally the one & only P1052 still exists but not on display at the Fleet Air Arm Museum.
The sight of a hunter flying across the Rhondda valley flown by a pilot that lived a few doors from me and the sonic boom wow ,any 8 year old would stand in awe. Yes I did say sonic boom
Sonic boom?
@@runlarryrun77 In a shallow dive yes the Hunter could do it. Check out Farnborough 1952 when Neville Duke demonstrates the sonic boom during his display directly after the tragic death of his friend John Derry in the Sea Vixen prototype.
@@robertharrison2260 Jets in the 1940s could reach Mach 1 in a shallow dive... the UK only had a single supersonic production aircraft, the troubled EE Lightning.
@@WilhelmKarsten LOL please reread your comment above - go on name a jet in 1940s that achieved supersonic flight? - research compressibility and think about the history of Supersonic flight as you are just highlighting your own deficiencies. Which country are you from ? perhaps there were jets in your country (indigenous and others) that were also "troubled" but perhaps you don't wish to highlight these.
@@robertharrison2260 You don't seem very knowledgeable regarding this topic?
The Messerschmitt Me-262 has the highest critical Mach number performance of any WW2 aircraft and was the first transonic aircraft to have a fly-by-wire Horizontal Stabilator system to counteract the effects of compressiblity and Mach tuck.
The F-86 Sabre was also supersonic in a dive and was heavily influenced by German WW2 supersonic aircraft technology.
Any questions lad?
Don’t forget Alan Pollock and the Tower Bridge “incident”!
My mates dad was RAF he was attached to the Jordan air force in the 1960s. his hunters engine failed he glided 600 miles to the airbase ,he told me it was a world record at the time
Yes truely a miracle, because they could hardly fly so far with engines working 😂
might have been less@@user-ik3mk5vi8m
Gifting stalin british jet engine technology was a stroke of genius
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Trying to avoid spiraling mistrust that could escalate into an atomic war was a risk peace move. To say no was to desperately needed money was also a key driver. A vision where the UK was economic powerhouse built on its tech lead in aviation was a economic strategy that was broke from two world wars. The British knew they had a spy problem and that it was secret that was not going to be kept secret, not to mention the skills of th3 soviet union amd thier Nazi engineers and designers.
@@malcolmlewis5860 this happened before soviets had nukes ??
Indeed, Rolls-Royce and the UK government were completely broke, they sold weapons to anyone who had cash or food
Actually it was one of the more intelligent things the Labour government ever did. Britain had no gold reserves left and the Soviets were more than happy to give us tons of the stuff in return for what was rapidly becoming an obsolete development dead end in the form of the centrifugal Nene. Everybody else was going down the axial flow route by then.
did you know in Gerry Anderson's series from Supercar to Thunderbirds and possibly even into the live shows their standard sound effect of an aircraft on the attack was a recording of a Hawker Hunter diving
Such a beautiful design.
One of my favourite aircraft which also include the Mosquito and the Vampire
Wow - this thing left an indelible mark on my anal of aviation. Its legend in Zimbabwe too!
I bet it did.
Yeah, with a little bit of Baby Oil or KY Jelly, I'm sure.😅
Annals, Brother, Annals. Don't lose an "N" and gain a rainbow!
Must have been the Naval version, eh? 😁👍🏻
Great versatile Fighter & FGA, saw it in action in Aden! 👍💥
Enjoyed a great deal.
superb video. superb plane.
Never worked on them directly as 237 OCU Trainer version, for conversion onto Buccaneers were unarmed, but we did have a "play" with a Hunters 30mm gun pack over at RAF Brüggen gun bay in the early eighties, as we were kitted out for Aden guns at that time.
Almost every boy in the 1950s had a die cast Hunter model in his pocket.
Some neat looking planes.
I was lucky enough to get 24 hours in a T8 at RNAS Yeovilton as a civvie prior to joining the the Fleet Arm in 89. Thank you FRADU.
My all time favorite aircraft, not just because I worked on them for many years in the Swiss Airforce, but because it was a real aircraft. At the same time other units had the Tiger II, that we called a Revell kit planes.
Such a nice design
I made a solid balsa wood model one in the 1950s when I was about 10 and gave it to my Grandma and she hung it up in her room !
The engine for the Mig 15 was supplied to the Soviets by the Labour Party directly after the war. The used almost the identical airframe developed the Germans during the war.
The MiG-15 didn't use the RD-45 ( license copy of the Rolls-Royce Nene) it was powered by the VK-1, a larger more powerful engine designed by Vladimir Klimov
The MiG-15 was designed by German Heinkel engineer Seigfried Günter, designed the world's first jet aircraft, the Heinkel He-178
@@WilhelmKarsten The RD-45 and VK-1 were based on reverse engineering and some technical documents of the Nene and Derwent engines. Apparently metallurgy was a real issue for the Soviets and they managed to get some samples by touring a UK engine factory with sticky boots and treading near machines producing metal shavings. The Labour Party were known for virtue signalling their "internationalism" by giving away the farm. I believe that the initial development of radar in Britain was hidden from the Labour govt for fear that they would give it away to the Germans.
@@nerdyali4154 The RD-45 is a copy of the Rolls-Royce Nene.
The V-1 is a larger, more powerful engine designed by Vladimir Klimov.
CASH, Britain was completely bankrupt in 1946 and it economy was destroyed, anything and everything was for sale in Britain like it was in 1940.
Britain traded jet aircraft for food and cotton, and sold the Nene to the Soviets for cash.
@@WilhelmKarsten True but the Russians only had the German Jumo which had serious problems that threatened their working for more than a few hours. The Nene was a proven design which the Soviets reverse engineered the also developed harder heat resistant metal for the turbine blades and the result was the brilliant well-engined MiG -15. Apparently they obtained the details of the blade metal from workshop shavings that the Soviets deliberately picked up on their boots. I don't think the Labour Party was bothered at that stage about passing secrets to the Soviets, after all, they were 'allies' in WW2 and fellow Marx believing socialists although not a dictatorship. It never ceases to amaze me that the British as so in love with labour and they have produced nothing worthwhile except the NHS, and even that is in a mess.
I worked fpr Tarmacadam on Fylde Military airport for the complete earthworks. The hunter used to buzz us during construction. Scary to be on the receiving end of one of those
In my opinion, one of the most esthetically pleasing jet aircraft ever designed.
And it didn't crash as often as other British jet aircraft..
@@WilhelmKarsten
Kharzeestan Krappenz DiktorBummer Jurkzxoffenz etc and co - they should all take note with great awe & much wonder.
*UPDATE BREAKING NEWS*
British military aircraft at the time did not have unusually high accident losses rates.
*For example*
De Havilland Vampire & Sea Vixen & Gloster Meteor accident losses were not high or unusual for fighter aircraft at the time.
Non combat phase accident losses
% of Aircraft built.
*Lockheed XF104 (ff 1954) 100%*
*Vought F8 Crusader (ff 1955) 54%*
*Lockheed P80 (ff 1944) 43%*
*Lockheed F104 (ff 1954) 45%*
*McDonnell FH Phantom (ff 1945) 35%*
*_Gloster Meteor (ff 1943) 17%_*
*_DH Vampire (ff 1943) 23%_*
*_DH Sea Vixen (ff 1951) 33%_*
*_Gloster Javelin (ff 1951) 20%_*
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Zimbabwe still operating the Hunter in 2022 is more to do with that country's economic situation rather than the Hunter being a robust aircraft.
Hawker Hunters dominating the skies and counter-insurgency raids were a god-send to the troopies in Rhodesia right up until 1980.
I spent ten years working on Hunters. I was an airframes systems man.
Many years ago I was part of a team preparing some of the last Hunters to be sent to India, and I have to say that of all the aircraft I ever worked on the Hunter wasn’t exactly on my Christmas card list, not because it was difficult or complicated but because of that damn landing gear aligning spigot in the main undercarriage wheel well’s, we all knew where it was, we all knew how to avoid it but we didn’t, I fell foul of it to many times, just as many others did and you would have thought “once bitten, twice shy” but nope, even thinking about it gives me a headache.
It wasn’t just the “inaction” of the military/politicians/civil servants that led to the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 becoming somewhat behind the curve in terms of advancing our military capabilities, the fact the country was almost bankrupt post WWII had a major impact on procurement, that and the fact that the pace of advancement was so great that our manufacturers could not throw the needed manufacturing capacity at the project, whereas the USA for instance was (due to their profits from selling us virtually everything we needed during the war) able to do so, in the time it took us to make one or two prototypes the USA could make ten, with the “spoils of war going to the victor, except for Great Britain and the commonwealth nations.
Unless I am mistaken @ 1:30+ you said the “Meteor” was our top fighter jet of WWII, but that wouldn’t have exactly been hard because the meteor was our only fighter jet of the war, although the Vampire was designed during WWII she didn’t enter service until 1946. Sorry for the criticism, I am a bit of a nitpicker when it comes to silly little details.
I’m very glad that you said that it was the government that was complacent about procuring new military equipment, I sincerely doubt that the RAF and the other military branches were thinking that we didn’t need to keep up on development of new equipment, it was a mistake that is still plaguing us today, and in my opinion they were warned about it by Winston Churchill when he coined the phrase about an “iron curtain” descending across Europe, and, again in my opinion, the Second World War ended and the Cold War took its place, up until the Korean War kicked off that is, and even now the Cold War is still prevalent despite the collapse of the Soviet Union only to be replaced by China causing the need to keep developing new ways to kill each other more effectively and quickly.
Sorry, did it again, my apologies for such a long winded and probably boring comment. Thanks for another great video, informative and interesting with excellent visuals. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴🇺🇦
An absolutely gorgeous aircraft, and a great pity that the last UK flying example was lost at Shoreham. I am surprised to hear they are still in service, with Zimbabwe of all places. I wonder now whether a good flying example could be bought from them, and displayed at our many vintage aircraft shows.!
According to Hawker Hunters reborn there are a number of UK airworthy HH still around.
Zimbabwe don't you mean Rhodesia 😅
@@matthewgubbins8515 hope you watched the video. They mentioned Zimbabwe, and even showed them flying in Zim colours.
@@davidpage4005 I didn't got distracted by call of duty. Cheers for the info
Still is them flying often in California, in private hands.
You said Britain was falling behind then backtracked to 1947 and suddenly Britain was already working on a new daytime intercepter?
Britain' was completely bankrupt when the war ended. The UK government was forced to signed the 60 billion dollar Anglo-American Bailout Loan in 1946.
Yes, the government were far from complacent, as shown by starting the UK nuclear program after the US shut us out, what became the V Bombers to carry them. Which also reminds of the Canberra. So good the US brought it.
Also, the leading figure in the formation of NATO was Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin, who had zero tolerance for either Facist or Communist dictatorships.
He had to persuade the US to do something for the first time, commit to a binding security treaty for foreign nations. George Marshall becoming Secretary of State helped as did Stalin’s actions as the late 40’s progressed, culminating in the Berlin Airlift.
The problem with UK aviation after WW2 was a victim of the success of dispersal factories, the many and varied companies involved, many at wars end suddenly short of orders.
Which inevitably diluted the substantial support that was given, despite the terrible post war economic conditions and being elected to enact massive social and economic reforms.
Even conscription had to be reintroduced, in peacetime, largely due to the major commitments worldwide not least, garrisoning the UK area of responsibility in Germany, the most populous part.
The outbreak of the Korean War was a shock to everyone in the West, many feared it was a feint before Stalin moved into Europe, this is where the failure to keep up in fighter design caught the UK out, plenty of projects, too many, but not near service.
The mistake of those engines to the USSR was a symptom of the desperate shortage of foreign currency and in this case, materials for domestic reconstruction.
In hindsight amalgamations of companies should have come much sooner, rapidly advancing technology by compared to the US, under capitalized companies was a recipe for delays.
It certainly was not through complancy.
I used to build these beauties back in the early 70s and they were marvelous aircraft to work on and so well constructed it comes as no surprise that they lasted so long. After all - if a thing aint broke why mend it?
The Hunter was also fitted with the Buccaneer cockpit as there were no dual control Buccaneers
11:35 - Interesting that the Maverick was around back then... Any involvement in the Vietnam war?
I saw one flying very low today in yorkshire
My dad had two Hunter f2 while at boscombe down 1952 to 1954.wn888 and wn 892..
111 Sqn looped 22 aircraft - a world record at the time.
When I first saw the Hunter fly and been right up to it, was in the mid ninteys at Durban international airport, flown and owned by Mike Beachyhead. I was impressed with it - RAF machine. SA navy hired Mike to do low level flights to train navy and to calibrate their radars. Mock attacks. Anyway Zimbabwe's Airforce what Airforce. Those Hunter's where collecting rust and dust. They did not even know how to push them out of the rusty ruins of a hanger. Sad though.
Another advantage the had and was designed for low level flights to with stand ground effect, as memory serves me, it a requirement from British MOD during the cold war. Strong airframe it had.
A (Supermarine) Swift solution.... I see what you did there
The 1950's had a plethora of weird and wonderful jet aircraft that served to show us that the best planes just "Look Right". Like the Vought F7U vs the Hunter. The Hunter looks like how we expect a fighter jet to look and the Cutlass looks like it would kill you...which it would. Other planes Like the F-11 Tiger, F-84 variants, the F-86 Sabres, French Mystere and Super Mystere and Soviet Mig-15, 17 and 19 all just look right. Maybe an exception to this rough rule was the F-100 super sabre but otherwise....if it looks right it probably is right.
There were two flying at thunder city cape town
These fly all the time in the Norfolk Virginia area.
There is one very special hunter to me: tail number: ph-nlh, the only "civilian hunter" ever(it was owned by dutch aerospace making it civilian) it was a t.7 version wich once actually was the only camouflaged twin seater hunter in dutch service with the rest in the well known silver and orange color scheme. But when it became ph-nlh it because orange, white and blue. Sadly only it's cockpit still exists in that scheme and the wings got actually used to make another hunter airworthy(i thought it's one red and white ones you showed as an image wich was gonna made flying for airshows, if i remember correctly it's engine was also used to make another one flying(can't remember if it was or wasn't that same jet that got the engine)).
One thing that is suprising is the followed ph-nlh had a donor hunter, but that hunter did nót got cut up, it's actually sitting at a uk playground in some industrial zone with all panels still as it were... oh, the cockpit was if i remember correctly of ph-nlh in ownership of a spanish collector..
After a somewhat quit google session, the donor hunter was the n-315. It's sitting in front of the alba power factory somewhere in the uk(if i remember correctly south-west i think)
Oh and ph-nlh was coded in Holland as n-320.
And ph-nlh actually now have a second image on google in a garage..
The site thunder-and-lightning says the image is from '93 and the planning was that it(sitting in marlow) was going to be restored, the image i noticed year ago before that current image seems to be a later image since it shows the cockpit in a better condition.
I was surprised to see one flying over Singapore in 1982, I thought they would be out of service by then.
I saw one flying in California just a few weeks ago
Chile air force used them in 1960 1970 and were an icon
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My father learned to fly in the vampire, venom, seahawk.He flew the hunter and was a flying instructor, weapons instructor and did aerobatics. He became a flying instructor on the hunter using a specially modified training version with side by side seats.
Hawk with side by side seating.......are you sure? Never heard of such a thing.......Hunter yes, Hawk...........hmmmmm????
@@daveh1081 I'm old. I meant hunter.
no change then i saw pilots land at night in a blizzard at R.A.F. Driffield i was so proud of them .On meeting them the squadron leader had paisly py.jamas under his flying suit my night for duty cook 5048158 L.A.C. Rees
Its engine produces blue note which is unique
Indian Air Force used 4 Hawker Hunters to relieve 120 Indian army soldiers from the advancing 3000 Pakistani army soldiers during the 1971 Battle of Longewala in which the Hunters destroyed 22 Pakistani tanks. India traditionally depended on Britain for fighters like Vampires, Gnat, Seahawk, Jaguar and lastly the Sea Harrier after which the tilt was more towards Soviet Union for military merchandise. Though India shared the democratic ideals of the West; the 1971 Bangladesh liberation war exposed the hypocrisy of Britain and United States when they deliberately turned a blind eye to the genocide of the Bengali people by the military dictatorship of Pakistan and even supported General Yahya by not only arming Pakistan but also sending their battle ships to aid it against India.
Bit of a strange introduction. Britain after the war was skint with much of the infrastructure destroyed. It did not have the resources to spend on mythical threats
It should be noted that the RAF imported the Sabre Jet from Canada to fill the
gap between the DH Venom and the production availability of the Hunter.
The Hunter was Britain's first effective jet fighter.
@@WilhelmKarsten In your opinion which is well known by now........
@@robertharrison2260 *Just the facts here lad, the Vampire and the Meatbox only killed British pilots.*
@@WilhelmKarsteni would urge you to be very careful now as you are accountable for everything you say and there may be people on here who see your opinions who may be affected by what you post - i know who you are you and are well known - you have a right to your opinion but are fully responsible for it and if you a disrespectful you will be removed - no-one on here is being disrespectful to you or of any of your countrymen who may have died in German aircraft doing their best so if you wish to be a part of the online community learn from this.
@@robertharrison2260 *The facts here are irrefutable, the German Me-262 pilots shot down over 550 Allied aircraft with 26 pilots scoring Ace or better.*
*262 pilot Kurt Welter remains the highest scoring jet Ace in history.*
*The Gloster Meatbox only killed British pilots during WW2.*
There was no money. Half of the RAF was paid for by the Marshall plan and consequently the Americans had a say in what went on. And what powerful soviet fighters are you referring to?
MIGS
Well, the signing of the Anglo-American Bailout Loan agreement effectively made Britain an American protectorate and possession from 1946 to 2006.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandy, it's always a joy to observe your bitter wehraboo cope. Faced with the historical reality of the humiliation of your luftwaffe dreamboys by the RAF followed by Britain and its allies thrashing your nazi heroes (and spanking the Germans for the second time in barely thirty years, which is a win in anybody's book), leaving their '1000 year reich' in ruins, its leaders dead or tried and imprisoned, the country divided and occupied, millions of its people dead, millions of its men in captivity and hundreds of thousands never to return, its women abused in the most horrible way, its citizen exposed as gullible fools or worse and its reputation tarnished by the most reviled regime in history, and all you can manage is pathetic whining like that last.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, the Americans are great allies aren't they and always good for some cash. Imagine being stuck with the allies the nazis had!!! Imagine being stuck with the ally that the nazis' allies had!!!
To be fair, it wasn't just that the government got complacent after WW2 (which they did) but also, the country was near bankrupt.
It takes a lot more finances to develop new equipment than incremental upgrades to already in service equipment. And if you've only got limited cash and a public screaming for schools, housing, transport, hospitals and hopefully an end to austerity.... well you can see which would get more votes.
History shows the various governments got both wrong.. but history also has perfect hindsight.
There were only two winners in WW2, Britain was definitely not one of them.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, I love to see you displaying your bitter wehraboo cope.
When you are faced with the historical reality of your nazi heroes' defeat, the humiliation by the RAF of the luftwaffe, Britain and its allies smashing the '1000 year reich', Germany spanked for the second time in barely thirty years and all you can do is whine out cope in your impotent wehraboo rage.
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know after the RAF humiliated your luftwaffe dreamboys Britain with its allies smashed your nazi heroes' '1000 year reich' handing Germany its second spanking in barely thirty years. And that's a win in anybody's book.
Best looking "subsonic" fighter ever.
Not really a fighter though, it's primarily role was ground attack
@@WilhelmKarsten Wrong again Mr - Hunter was a point defence Intercepter designed to get to altitude and hit Bombers that was the initial design brief, much later on it was later put to good use as a ground attack and reconnaissance aircraft.
@@robertharrison2260 Sorry lad, but the Hunter was even supersonic, it was completely outclassed and obsolete as an interceptor on arrive into service.
Like most British aircraft, years behind its contemporaries.
@@WilhelmKarsten Wrong - firstly in a shallow dive Hunter was supersonic and this was demonstrated frequently do your research. Secondly when it came into service it was not outclassed and incorporated several innovations such as the flying tail and the first Rolls Royce Avon axial flow turbojet which went on to power several other successful designs and is still a great engine. But lets first address the big issue here with your comments you seem to pop up frequently with "irrelevant" soundbites that seem to have an "agenda" relating to various British aviation subjects but you really don't know what you are talking about and you obviously don't know some of the people on these forums who know more than you do. In conclusion did the aircraft have flaws, yes dependant on which "mark" (there were several over its long years of service) but I haven't got time to educate you in what you cant know - anyway you name a viceless or flawless combat aircraft from any country - you can't, why because there will always be design and cost compromises.
@@robertharrison2260The Hunter was incapable of Mach 1 in level flight, it is not classified as a supersonic aircraft.
The Messerschmitt Me-262 was the first jet aircraft to have axial compressor turbojet engines and a fly-by-wire Horizontal Stabilator system to counteract the effects of compressiblity and Mach tuck at high transonic speeds.
Britain was a decade behind in supersonic aerodynamic technology and jet aircraft design
*Please name a single British jet aircraft still in production in the UK?*
Again, another Hunter video where it was not mentioned that the most heavily modified and capable Hunter variant was the Singapore version.
Aaah... those were the days 😂
Really informative, but the writing style is a bit prolix and purple. 'Just the facts, sir' is a great policy - and 'showcase' is never a great verb.
Best regards
So they never delivered pizza with this thing?!?! Its no good then.
Yes the plane that starred in the original story that the "Ghost of Kiev" was based on. In the original lie, from 1965, the Pakistani Air Force claimed that an F86 shot down 5, count em, 5 Hunters! A lie in 1965. Don't know about what the Ukrainians, I didn't make it past the headline.
The Hunter did get spanked by Paki F-86s. They were better dog fighters just like MiG 19s are better dog fighters than F-4s. Pilots need to use the strengths of their aircraft.
Indian Air Force flew Hunters, Pakis, claimed to have shot down 5 Hunters???
Off-topic
= Hawker-center is the retirement-plan
Wing shape and area with new materials and construction for 60'000ft bomb drop-toss-lob. Calculate payload for 250lb on pylons and dispersal area and range.
One would do well to bear in mind that Britain lagging behind in aircraft design to a very large extent was caused by the after-war Labour government - that same government that in a fit of luncay sold 30 British jet engines to the Soviet Union. These engines were very quickly reverse-engineered by the Soviets, who promply put them into the Mig-15. Despite all the efforts by the Farnborough crowd to document the German advances in aerodynamics very little seems to have been adopted by British producers, whereas the Soviets and the Americans (somewhat more slowly) quickly caught up. The combination of a good British engine with the aerodymanics of, for instance, the Messeerschmitt P.1111 would have created something far more advanced than the, although good and sturdy, Hunter.
The British aircraft industry steadily declined after the country's defeat in WW2.
@@WilhelmKarstenyeah whine about the Labour government that instated the NHS and affordable social housing. It’s not like the average Brit had sacrificed anything during the previous decade is it? The reason we fell behind was because the country was broke after WW2, our American "friends" made a pretty penny from us which was only repaid in the ‘90s. As for the transfer of jet technology to the Russians, do you really think it advanced things that much? Or do you think a large number of German scientists went east in the same way a lot ended up in the US Aeronautics industry? Not to mention the massive burden that the Soviets bore during WW2, despite lots of US and British crowing, they more than played there part on the Eastern Front, which often is deliberately forgotten given how relations transpired in the following decades.
And before you throw the lefty or snowflake pejorative at me, bear in mind you’re speaking to an RAF veteran who served long enough to currently be in receipt of an MOD pension.
@@WilhelmKarstendefeat in WW2? You been watching too much Man in the High Castle?
@@jamesbothoms6009 There were only two winners in WW2, Britain was not one of them.
The average Brit certainly did suffer the pains of defeat, but have continued with the fabrications and belief of elaborate false excuses to maintain their denial that Britain was ever defeated.
Britain lost the war in September 1940, but rather than surrender to Hitler... they took the option to surrender to the Americans instead.
Of course the British lied about the state of their economic and military strength throughout the remainder of the war,
It wasn't until the war ended that it was revealed just how bad things really were.
Britain was forced to sign the terms of the Anglo-American Bailout Loan Agreement in 1946, for 65 billion dollars Britain gave up the last of its autonomy and power to make foreign policy decisions and become a US protectorate and a American procession until the mortgage was finally paid-off in 2006 after Britain defaulted on payments six times.
American military forces still occupy the UK today.
Britain maintains it denial by referring to the surrender to America as its "special relationship" with the Yanks... a shameful and humiliating insult that brits refuse to utter aloud.
Cheers mate! Happy New Year!
@@WilhelmKarsten Wow, that’s a stretch and a half. Think you have your tinfoil hat on a bit tight there mate.
The early post WW2 British Government allowed a license for the latest British jet engine to the Russians for the MIG 15. How dumb!
Britain was bankrupt after the war and weapons were for sale to any cash buyers, they could not afford to turn down any offer.
The Nene was bulky, heavy and not popular with aircraft designers due to its high drag to thrust performance, it was an obsolete engine and was not top secret technology... all centrifugal compressor turbojets were obsolete technology by this time...
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Muncherz Kharzeestan Krappenz DiktorBummer Jurkzxoffenz etc and co - they should all take note with massively deserved reverence & infinite awe.
*We can clearly see that Centrifugal compressor gas turbine aero engines are currently produced.*
*_In 1945 the centrifugal compressor RR Nene engine was of course the most powerful & most reliable gas turbine aero engine on the planet. Versions of the Engine would of course be produced in the US for use in US built jet fighters for the next 10 years & of course it was built in Russia for Mig 15 & Mig 19 aircraft._*
*The Pratt & Whitney PW-200 range of engines for example are a Whittle engine including reverse flow combusters of course.*
_The gas turbine was of course invented before 1800 in England. Work on axial compressor turbojet engines began in England before 1930._
*_The world's first axial turbine & axial compressor having of course been first produced in England around or before 1900. Of course it is correct that the same basic axial turbine technology for example is used in both Rankine & Brayton cycle turbomachinery_*
*It is factually indisputable that C A Parsons manufactured the world's first axial turbine power generation machinery & axial turbine ship propulsion machinery.*
_The exceptional & excellent W & J Galloway & Sons of course would be a good example of a company making steam engines & their boilers at the time during the late 1800s the world's first steam engines of course having been constructed in England in previous centuries, steam engines are not axial turbine power generation machinery utilising axial turbine gas turbine & axial compressor technology in power generation & propulsion machinery, W & J Galloway & Sons did not involve themselves with axial turbines or axial compressors._
*The axial multi stage sequential rotor stator turbine of course exists in its own right independently where ever & how ever it is utilised including when used as a Dehavilland, Halford, Metrovik, Armstrong Siddeley, Bristol, Power Jets or Rolls Royce Gas turbine aero engine or ship propulsion gas turbine or for example a cruise missile engine or as power generation machinery using Brayton or Rankine cycle turbomachinery configurations.*
_The said axial turbine being produced for the first time in the world in England._
*_There is if course no doubt that The world's first Axial compressor jet engine arrangement was manufactured in England before 1937 work having started before 1930._*
*It is factually correct that There are currently no instances of jet aircraft powered by Jumo engines or German technology engines, no US aircraft were powered by German jet engine technology. Such ridiculously shoddy extremely short life engines with sheet steel combusters & turbine blades would not under any circumstances have achieved US or UK certification*
*_Of course All 1940s & 1950s US & UK, Russian, French / other countries built jet aircraft of course using technology from the UK based on the early Whittle engines & work done at the RAE & Metrovik up to 1943._*
Indeed there is no doubt that All failed German attempts were of course half soaked copies of UK technology using partial info obtained from UK industry & academia.
*_Rolls Royce of England now has 2 wholly owned subsidiaries in Germany & a wholly owned subsidiary in the US that was Allison of course._*
"State of complaceny"...Atee's government described accurately in the matters covered here.
"State of bankruptcy".. Atlee's government had to deal with the harsh reality that there were only two winners in WW2... and that Britain was not one of them.
@@WilhelmKarsten
Krappenz DiktorBummer KARZEESTAN Jurkzxoffenzstadt & co - they should all note with much awestruckness and great wonderment.
*****
*How come they can't answer simple questions - why is that?*
*****
Germany was occupied by British military forces for many years after 1945.
Russia & the UK have Nukes.
Germany does not have Nukes.
*_DID SOMEBODY ACTUALLY SAY SOMEWHERE THAT THERE'S AIRLINER ASSEMBLY LINES OR SIMILAR IN THE UK OR IRELAND OR THAT Airbus or BOW-WING is actually British? (B-47 wings on many occasions folded up in flight or dropped off while parked)._*
Of course Brazil makes very good airliners & Brazil is 100th down list along with Indonesia for wealth per capita.
*Norway Holland Denmark Ireland Belgium - Top 20 wealth per capita - Don't make airliners - its as simple as that.*
BAe Systems & RR combined now do more Airbus work than Germany on an absolute basis & significantly more work than that on a per capita basis.
Per capita for the home nation BAe Systems is the world's largest defence contractor.
_BAe systems announced the recent £4 Billion takeover of Colorado based US based Ball Aerospace._
*BAE systems now does a significantly higher value of work for Airbus than it did when it was a major Airbus shareholder before 2005.*
*_RR now owns US Engine maker Allison for example which does classified Aerospace work for the US Govt._*
The UK has more important stuff to do these days.
_Routine simple passenger aircraft airframe assembly is becoming more of a 3rd world / trailer park area thing._
EG -
*_The DH Comet - world's first high altitude capable pressurised passenger cabin jet airliner in regular service, world's first jet airliner aircraft to cross the Atlantic, worlds first jet airliner aircraft to complete a global circumnavigation flight series._*
*They might try to sensibly answer this question - why do they believe that BAE Systems & RR (aero engines etc) & other companies, for example should be doing anything other than what they currently do & where do they get the idea from that the DH Comet had any affect at all on the progression UK aerospace sector.*
*Anybody currently flying on a widebody airliner stands a good chance of being on an aircraft powered by RR gas turbine aero engines built in England.*
📯📯📯📯
*The New RR Trent Ultrafan*
*Built In England*
*_World's Largest (see T&Cs)_*
*_Gas Turbine Aero Engine_*
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👍Manufactured by the people on a small island with less than 1% of the world's population.👍
*_A typical but small glimpse of what goes on in the very internationally orientated British aerospace sector._* -
Boeing Apache Attack Helicopter.
AH-64: *75 UK suppliers,* 7% UK content, global fleet of 1280+ aircraft.
*F35B more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 30% UK content.*
*_F35A & F35C more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 15% UK content._*
They might like to answer these questions.
*Which airline has just ordered*
*60 RR England Trent XWB Engines*
*& What aircraft are the engines for?*
_Bonus question for 10 extra points._
Which country has the
*World's Highest Combined Per Capita*
*Nuclear / Defence / Aerospace Sector Activity?*
👍 & 🙂 & of course 😎 indeed.
Cheers.
_Toodle_ -PIP- *Old* *_Chap._*
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I am not convinced! I realise that technology is quite general before someone adds on to it. Parsons invented the steam turbine and it is certain that this knowledge contributed to the invention of the turbo jet engine. In the same way that the British Steam engine with its crankshaft and valve gear followed on to result in the German 'Otto' cycle. The same with the Wright Bros. It is more that possible that the German emigre in the USA, Gustave Whitehead conducted the first successful in 1901. It is less likely that Percy Pilcher had succeeded in getting enough power from an engine he made for his glider before he was killed. So all we are left with is pointless arguments and assertions.
Indeed, your argument is pointless, Britain didn't invent jet engines or aviation, it has always lagged behind America Germany and France
@@WilhelmKarsten
All axial compressors gas turbine aircraft engines being developed in the UK from 1935 onwards were significantly superior to anything being produced in Germany, they weren't certified for production as UK standards were obviously much higher for certification.
By 1945 UK Centrifugal compressor gas turbine aircraft engines were producing double the power of German axial compressor engines & had 500% higher reliability.
*THE RR NENE WAS IN FACT THE MOST POWERFUL GAS TURBINE AERO ENGINE ON THE PLANET IN 1944 AND WAS A CENTRIFUGAL COMPRESSOR JET ENGINE.*
That's hilarious - Krapper/ DiktorBummer claims Griffith's said Whittle didn't understand jet engines 😂 In fact Griffiths was already working on axial jet engine tech before 1930 & was aiming to use it as a turboprop engine. Before 1931 Whittle was aiming at gas turbine reaction thrust only with no propeller which Griffiths had doubts about.
*Of course In 1944 The Nene was 2.5 x more Powerful than any German Gas Turbine in existence & had 500% higher reliability.*
*The Jumo 109-012 reached non running Mock up stage & was abandoned.*
*_In 1945 the Nene powered Gloster Meteor broke world speed records for jet fighter aircraft._*
*Their comments are readykyoulous phFabrikayshunz.* 😂
_Multi stage sequential stator rotor Axial compressors & Axial turbines had been demonstrated before 1900 by Parsons in England. Internal combustion axial gas turbine aero engines were being considered, researched & built in England since 1925._
*Maxime Guillaume simply copied stuff from Parsons writings & lectures into a fraud patent.*
The Whittle centrifugal compressor internal combustion reverse flow & straight through combuster gas turbine aero engines is still manufactured & used for turboprop & helicopter applications & more than 30,000 have been produced so far.
_The gas turbine was of course invented in England before 1800, why would they expect it to not have been the case, obviously._
*The world's first demonstration of a practical internal combustion gas turbine aircraft engine was in England in 1937 by Whittle.*
It used a car engine for starting (spinning the main gas turbine shaft), the car engine was disconnected after starting. Electric motors were also used for starting - Standard practice.
All previous attempts by others had various non pure gas turbine aero engine features such as a compressor stage that was actually operated by a piston engine with a combustor stage & no turbine stage.
*_The world's first demonstration by Parsons of the components of a coupled multi stage axial compressor & axial turbine unit using sequential bladed rotor stator stages was in England before 1900 when of course people in England began considering their use as the basis of an axial compressor internal combustion gas turbine aero engine._*
The Nickel alloys suitable for turbine blades in gas turbine aero engines was developed in Hereford England, alloys used anywhere else up to the 1940s were inadequate.
Parsons didn't manufacture steam engines.
Steam engines don't have multi stage bladed sequential stator rotor axial compressors & turbines.
&
*Oh yes, the PW200 range of gas turbine engines are in fact directly derived from the Whittle centrifugal compressor internal combustion reverse flow combuster gas turbine aero engine which of course was demonstrated for the first time in the world by Whittle in England in 1937.*
*OF COURSE*
*_Air travel safety often depends on British made and or designed tech or British aerospace advanced technology, R&D, science & Engineering._*
*For anybody currently flying on a widebody airliner there's a good possibility that the engines will be RR gas turbine aero engines designed & built in England with those engines being monitored by people in an English county.*
England, the home country of
RR (aero engine stuff) & it's lands,
counties & shires will
of course be producing - -
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*_The RR Trent Ultrafan_*
*The Worlds Largest Gas*
*Turbine Aero Engine.*
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*_A typical but very tiny glimpse of what goes in the very internationally orientated British aerospace sector._* -
Boeing Apache Attack Helicopter.
AH-64: *75 UK suppliers,* 7% UK content, global fleet of 1280+ aircraft.
*F35B more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 30% UK content.*
*_F35A & F35C more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 15% UK content._*
😂👍 Cheers😎
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Indeed a good fighter and superb ground attacker but far far from revolutionary or a leap as described in this vid
Remember that the far superior fighter MiG-19 first flew one year after the hunter thus to compare the hunter with the much earlier F-86 and MiG-15/17 is a true jock.
"Far superior " for the 2 minutes the mig 19 could afford to spend on afturburner...Maybe less. Even then at low (
Your understanding of the immediate post war period in British and world political, economic and military aviation can best be described as weak.
There were only two winners in WW2... Britain was not one of them
@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, it's always a joy to observe your bitter wehraboo cope. Faced with the historical reality of the humiliation of your luftwaffe dreamboys by the RAF followed by Britain and its allies thrashing your nazi heroes (and spanking the Germans for the second time in barely thirty years, which is a win in anybody's book), leaving their '1000 year reich' in ruins, its leaders dead or tried and imprisoned, the country divided and occupied, millions of its people dead, millions of its men in captivity and hundreds of thousands never to return, its women abused in the most horrible way, its citizen exposed as gullible fools or worse and its reputation tarnished by the most reviled regime in history, and all you can manage is pathetic whining like that last.
Hey Sandyboy as you know, Britain was a leading force in aircraft technology and the US was dependent on British jet technology for much of its early jet development. British jet engines both axial flow and centrifugal flow were as you know superior to their German wartime counterparts and with Americas improving postwar engines are the basis of most modern jet engines. As you know sandyboy most modern jet engines are bypass engines, a technology pioneered in Britain with the first patent for such an engine awarded to Whittle in 1936 and the first bypass engine in service the Rolls Royce Conway.
With successful jet aircraft like the Meteor, Vampire, Canberra, Hunter, Provost, Hawk and Harrier and engines such as the Derwent, Dart, Nene, Sapphire, Avon and the Spey Britain has established the world's second biggest aerospace industry, BAE Systems in Europe's biggest defence contractor and Rolls Royce is the biggest European jet engine maker.
Why are you:
1. Showing a German flag? The Germans weren't allowed to rearm until the mid-1960s.
2. Ignoring what was actually happening in the rest if the economy in the UK in the immediate pist-warcers?
3. Ignoring the spending on atomic weapons and the platforms intended for their delivery?
dude, get rid of the AI SCRIPT. your writing is still in there, but the filler added sucks
Ok
Why do so many british youtube videos always have to point out it's brittish 38 times? Other countries talk about performance and stuff
That's a good one 😂
Where are you from, Zac?
British. Say it Zac: British! Best word in 400 years. And say Thank you Zac, to those brave British whose freedom you inherent. ❤🫡🍺
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Lol, introducing a subsonic fighter in 1954 is somehow a "bold leap" and "phenomenon"? That's the same time when US and the Soviets got their supersonic F-100 and MiG-19, mind you.
At the time the UK, for various reasons, was considering discontinuing jet fighter aircraft completely, especially anything supersonic, turned out to be the wrong idea anyway.
Even so, research activity continued & info gained was often freely available to allied nations.
The Fairey Delta 2 was the first jet aircraft to exceed 1,000 miles per hour (1,600 km/h) in level flight.[2] On 10 March 1956, it set a new world speed record of 1,132 mph (1,822 km/h), exceeding the previous official record by 310 mph (500 km/h).[note 1] The Delta 2 held the absolute World Air Speed Record for over a year. It continued to be used for flight testing, and was allocated to the Royal Aircraft Establishment (RAE) in 1958.
In 1944 for example the most powerful gas turbine aero engine on the planet was of course the RR (of England) Nene.
You know, I never realized that the Soviet Union invaded Britain until I saw this video. Is Britain still enslaved by the Soviet air forces?
Britain surrendered to the Americans, the UK is still occupied by American military forces today
@@WilhelmKarsten
Krappenz DiktorBummer KARZEESTAN Jurkzxoffenzstadt & co - they should all note with much awestruckness and great wonderment.
*****
*How come they can't answer simple questions - why is that?*
*****
*As they are aware.*
British military forces occupied Germany for many years after 1945.
Russia still has a part if what was Germany land
The UK has nukes.
Russia has Nukes.
Germany does not have nukes.
*_DID SOMEBODY ACTUALLY SAY SOMEWHERE THAT THERE'S AIRLINER ASSEMBLY LINES OR SIMILAR IN THE UK OR IRELAND OR THAT Airbus or BOW-WING is actually British? (B-47 wings on many occasions folded up in flight or dropped off while parked)._*
Of course Brazil makes very good airliners & Brazil is 100th down list along with Indonesia for wealth per capita.
*Norway Holland Denmark Ireland Belgium - Top 20 wealth per capita - Don't make airliners - its as simple as that.*
BAe Systems & RR combined now do more Airbus work than Germany on an absolute basis & significantly more work than that on a per capita basis.
Per capita for the home nation BAe Systems is the world's largest defence contractor.
_BAe systems announced the recent £4 Billion takeover of Colorado based US based Ball Aerospace._
*BAE systems now does a significantly higher value of work for Airbus than it did when it was a major Airbus shareholder before 2005.*
*_RR now owns US Engine maker Allison for example which does classified Aerospace work for the US Govt._*
The UK has more important stuff to do these days.
_Routine simple passenger aircraft airframe assembly is becoming more of a 3rd world / trailer park area thing._
EG -
*_The DH Comet - world's first high altitude capable pressurised passenger cabin jet airliner in regular service, world's first jet airliner aircraft to cross the Atlantic, worlds first jet airliner aircraft to complete a global circumnavigation flight series._*
*They might try to sensibly answer this question - why do they believe that BAE Systems & RR (aero engines etc) & other companies, for example should be doing anything other than what they currently do & where do they get the idea from that the DH Comet had any affect at all on the progression UK aerospace sector.*
*Anybody currently flying on a widebody airliner stands a good chance of being on an aircraft powered by RR gas turbine aero engines built in England.*
📯📯📯📯
*The New RR Trent Ultrafan*
*Built In England*
*_World's Largest (see T&Cs)_*
*_Gas Turbine Aero Engine_*
📯📯📯📯
👍Manufactured by the people on a small island with less than 1% of the world's population.👍
*_A typical but small glimpse of what goes on in the very internationally orientated British aerospace sector._* -
Boeing Apache Attack Helicopter.
AH-64: *75 UK suppliers,* 7% UK content, global fleet of 1280+ aircraft.
*F35B more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 30% UK content.*
*_F35A & F35C more than 130 UK Suppliers, more than 15% UK content._*
They might like to answer these questions.
*Which airline has just ordered*
*60 RR England Trent XWB Engines*
*& What aircraft are the engines for?*
_Bonus question for 10 extra points._
Which country has the
*World's Highest Combined Per Capita*
*Nuclear / Defence / Aerospace Sector Activity?*
👍 & 🙂 & of course 😎 indeed.
Cheers.
_Toodle_ -PIP- *Old* *_Chap._*
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Many countries who bought the Hunter ended up regretting buying it due to poor after sales services from Hawker.
Chat GPT script in these videos is fucking annoying.
Not ChatGPT
Britain invented the jet engine so how did others get the engines?
In many cases they were the first lot of people who often either got info or info & actual engines from England one way or another or they were the second lot of people who got engines and or engines & info from the first bunch of people.
The basic modern axial gas turbine aero engine hardware concepts being produced in England before 1900.
The Jet engine was invented by Hans von Ohain and Max Hahnn in Germany... 2 years before Whittle.
@@WilhelmKarsten
*& indeed it is undoubtedly factually correct that Ohain & co were copying Whittle.*
_Of course Whittles engine concept, which was clearly the basis of many modern gas turbine aero engines, was conceived first & ran first._
*The gas turbine indeed was invented in England before 1800.*
*_The basic elements of the modern axial compressor turbojet were first produced by Parsons of North England & Ireland before 1900 with serious axial compressor turbojet work starting in England in the late 1920s._*
@@petemaly8950 *Parsons only made STEAM ENGINES!!!*
@@WilhelmKarsten
*Of course it is indeed factually correct that Metrovik was involved in steam turbines for power generation & of course those steam turbines were indeed & without doubt the steam turbines first produced by Parsons of North England & Ireland & being the world's first axial steam turbines using the multi stage bladed sequential rotor stator arrangement that would be later used in all axial compressor gas turbine aero engines.*
*_A company in the US carried on producing commercial steam engines up to the 1930s._*
*MOST PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT STEAM ENGINES ARE NOT STEAM TURBINES*
It failed as a fighter but was ok at ground attack. There is so much bollocks talked about this mediocre plane