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I think reading your comments says it all. Paying attention to the dwindling LFG posts back to pre- Worldslayer numbers. You more popular UA-camrs ought to move on to other games and stop being ambassadors of this one if you are so you can speak your real mind if you agree with us: They totally screwed their players making us pay $40 for only 3 hours of true “new content” but really it was just about “balanced adjustments” and thus huge patch is only more proof of that. FP devs go crazy while AP pyros rage and rightly so. Maybe people involved in this game should realize one day content matters 100x more than “balance” in ANY game even PvP ones if you want them to survive but especially PvE ones. I’m so tired of doing the same trial…1000 times…and then being forced to fight the bull crap fight (not challenging at all took just annoying mind you) with recycled arbiters over and over and over again just for them to then change things in the name of “fixes” but then NOT compensate their paying consumers. Yes WE should get a say in the future of the game TOO if you want my opinion. And now we do too…we are effectively ending this game by leaving. Join us too one day please. I’m just a tiny UA-camr with crap quality between jobs irl. My channel only got any traction at all because of this game actually after New Horizon. I noticed though Worldslayer contributed nothing to it and I think I know why lol. Anyway I made one last video with my own points against it if you can stand me ranting into my iPhone for now. It’s time we all play different games. Cloud Plays mentioned the new looter shooter build craft games coming. Hopefully they’re better cause PcF now needs competition with this pathetic mess they foisted on players. m.ua-cam.com/video/igVFPFI_Vzc/v-deo.html
3:53 completely true: I've given up already, it's just too dull running the same content over & over. I still wanna give PCF big kudos for what they made with this game - but I can't even face finishing my techno, never mind even starting the other characters.
20 expeditions. Worldslayer added ONE LONGER one with the trial but that was IT. Recycled boss too and dear Lord the arbiters are not challenging but just annoying to the point I applaud anyone just getting a modded gun to one tap them during the grinding if they expect us to restart builds constantly to keep fighting the same bosses 10000 times. m.ua-cam.com/video/igVFPFI_Vzc/v-deo.html
when one of their own ambassadors who plays games for a living says they dont have the time to level multiple characters, that should be a massive red flag to pcf that this needs to be adjusted asap. 10% is paltry amount, should be minimum 30% so players feel like they're getting somewhere and don't just give up.
I’m a Pyro main and, “look what they did to my boy…” I had to completely retool my build after the changes. I was using FASER with Thermal Bomb and Overheat, and my class tree why split between the bottom and then middle. No more. Now, to stay relevant with my Trickster girlfriend, I have to fully dedicate to the bottom tree, which kills my tankyness. That and FASER is replaced by Eruption. The meta was going toward Eruption anyway, and now I feel forced to play with it as well. According to PCF, they want players to be free to try any combination, but that is simply not the case with Pyro.
It seems like they want you to run a certain build, but that is totally the antithesis of an action looter rpg. I should be able to make whatever build I want but I keep getting the same damn drops also.
Nah that's not true, I'm a pyro main since day one, and have 3 pyro builds (Armor of the Reforged, Scorched Zealot Set and a hybrid build) that shred. There's plenty of diverse builds, for all classes, that are extremely powerful, especially after this update.
I personally don't have a problem with the leveling for Apocalypse Tiers, Ascension Levels I do. There are only 40 Apoc Tiers, but 200 Ascension Levels. I think the general XP should be raised for that, or just do what COD does. Have some 2xp weekends every so often. 2x XP, and 2x Anomaly Extract.
Yesterday I ran 20 expeditions. Hoping I would get some desent drops since they adjusted drop rate. In all of my runs I ended up with a ton uf purple gear 50 % of it was apoc gear. I ended up getting an average of 2 lejendary per run. Only 1 lejendary was apoc. Only keept two purple pcs. Trials drop rates is crap as well.
Untl they fix the duplicate gear drop issues, I think I'll shelve this game. I can't an apoc lava lich chest piece but the game has no problem giving me dozens of Martyrs helmets and cannon ball gloves. I quit playing this game pre-worldslayers because I was tired of getting the same pieces of gear which none of it advanced my build. This has not changed in worldslayers.
@@xspindrift8737 I seriously thought they were going fix this, it's a very obvious problem. This tells me they want to force use to use particular set with particular mods. "My game, My rules - but if you want to hack it go ahead, ruin the game further 🥲"
As a newer casual player i think a lot of these changes are too little too late. Im already beyond burnt out from the god awful grind that I cant force myself to keep playing. But if they keep going this direction than it could make the decision of buying the next DLC easier. With how the game felt when i stopped playing I really dont think id be interested in buying another DLC. Now I know that im just a casual player and hardcore players will always have better insight to the game. But the casual fan base is a vital part of any game. Hell thats not even exclusive to just games butt basically all entertainment companies.
PCF keeps making the same mistakes time after time with each update. From the start it should of been live service, with seasons and activities to prolong the games life. Me and my three friends are playing less each day and come August will move on.
I get it, it's a great game until the grind hit u hard at the end. PCF never gets the hint, this is a pve game & u should feel like a god, make good content, let player makes build, let them be happy, then when u drop another dlc they will buy it.
Lol, thank you for the clip from The Office about the 10% grind reduction. That’s definitely not enough for me to continue playing the game. How did we go from a Challenge based leveling system to an XP grind like this? It’s too much for one character, much less several of them. I’m going to have to let the game sit until that gets a drastic change, and hopefully it’s not too late. As a day 1 player this is very disappointing. Thank you for the video, Buzz 👍
Outriders feels like addiction to me from when it 1st came out, then when i got my pyro to apoc 33, I went to my other toons, to get them to apoc 25, went back to pyro to get to 40, 33 trying to get to 34 feels like 3 day adventure right now
Same, grind is too much for max tier. I’d like to get a half tier progress for a full run of trials. Maybe half is too much but something needs to change. Kinda kills the will to play the game.
well the luck of having a injury while this patch dropped means that i could play almost non stop since the patch hit...and honestly, it feels more like a big meh. then a actually positive. Classes; - Trickesters; got of scot free, their shieldbeast build is still insanely powerful despite the "fix/nerf" to mages rage, at Apoc tier 22 level my trickster can still deal more dmg PER shot, then a BR techno can that is on apo 28, and even beats my minigun build (1,5mil per shot) for apo 28. - Technomancer ; They fixed a problem on the grim inventor with the RPG, and at least on my end, i now have problems with the Minigun (set bonus not refilling ammo via pain-launcher hits while tools is active), great to see blightfire be added to the toxic pool, felt like that was really missing. how-ever i do dis-agree with your judgement on "first things first". yes it has received a double wammy 20% of the mod itself, and a 35% conversion loss to resist pierce. but you still on avg gain about 16.5% out of in extra AP, especially if you do not have the Techmonger set in as close to god roll as possible. "First things first" still works well for that build. - Devestator; is the one i do not understand, with the fixing of mages rage a lot of AP has been removed, so they add a extra 5% per anom node in the tree (35% total max i believe), the leap being reduced by 70% can still be of-set by other mods (marshal, impale) to get that AP dmg back to 60%. they buffed they earthen core by slapping a 0.5sec cd on it while increasing the shield you gain per damage applied....all in all, the only thing i see different on the bleed/earthquake build i'm using is that my 3th earth quake does not hit for 26mil any more, but a "mere" 21mil...so idk what their aim was, but i feel like they missed it, especially since they buffed other nodes in the PAX tree as well. (my dev has 59 gear and runs apocs 28) - Pyro; is one that pains me a bit, since base i wanted to main a pyro, but time restrictions made me dual main a tech/dev. with world slayer, the grind/playstyle became a bit easier for pyro(and ill say it myself; "so my dumb ass could finally play with fire) and had planned to main pyro for world slayer, after these changes.....no, im going to techno or dev again. the CD reduction is pretty devastating if you don't have perfect gear(i'm sure it was needed for high tier in combo with god rolls sure), but i feel it is over tuned for lower level, where you can max out cooldown without sacrificing damage. tried various different builds (Eruption, F.A.S.E.R, Thermal bomb heatseeker, Thermal bomb Reforged) -and a few concoctions of my own(all failed). next to losing a large amount of options to reset cooldowns, you also lose damage via the fix for mages rage, the reduction of 35% NRTF, Master Exploder being reduced by 50%, 5% nerf on backdraft and so on and so on. now i do believe that pyro was wayyy to strong in any of the builds i mentioned. (tho it was fun to see that 3th volcano blow the arbitter up for 129mil on apo 25). i just did not expect this hard a hit on it. to where (for me; again ill admit this is probably just more a me problem),i can no longer grind on my actual apoc tier (29) and have to reduce all the way down to 24, just so i can complete encounters with the builds. me and the friends i play with are still having many co-op issues that where not addressed, such as CD's not correctly applying, Skill just locking up when you try to activate them, general lag/FPS drops, connectivity issues between the host and clients. (and me and my friends all have more then 500mbits/sec up and download (personally i sit on 1gbits/sec up and down). and no matter who hosts, the clients all suffer from the mentioned issues and more (enemies spawning under the map where skills dont even effect them), enemies falling trough the floor when they take damage, mods not applying (Toxic lead still not working for instance) and so on and so on. 1 or multiple clients dont get XP to their Apoc tier/ascension if the host is on a higher or lower Apoc level. Ash blast cancelling out Cold snap and visa versa, making pyro/techno combo's for co-op a nightmare. Loot drop increase on expeditions...i don't really see the change. but ill have to take their and other people word for it if it is indeed better (spend more time in trails). Trails how-ever the AE drops are much better. just in a single run in mid20's apoc you can easily net around 7/8K(probably more, as me and my friends also spend it inside to upgrade gear we have). loot feels slightly better divided but still a bit lack luster for the effort needed(and yes in that i include the co-op issues as well). and we are still seeing random weird drops, such as helmets for targeted loot pants, boots with gloves, boots drop more weapons then boots (at least for me and my friends). so in overall, personally speaking of course, i feel that while trying to fix 1 thing, they over looked other things, and broke several more. and for me, pyro is just less fun, now that you have to deal with 8/10 sec cooldowns that cant be reset anymore, forcing you to start shooting, when you want to play AP build. i'm hoping for a follow up patch/hotfix, to address some of the issues me and my friends have been seeing. or i think that this will be the last patch me and my friends been playing, before we move on to a different type of co-op/looter shooter. (sadly)
So they lowered the exp requirement per Apoc tier, increased the resource drops, in order to soften the grind... but they obliterated AP builds. The nerf actually makes the grind harder. Think, I'm just done. 😕
Impressive Patch and some REALLY good changes, but... Again... what does Outriders wants from me? Turret techno forced into the bottom tree... 15% power per anomaly node, you can't deny that. Ignore freeze, ignore vulnerable, even ignore the "overclock" last node... In fact: Ignore EVERYTHING what was the identidy of a turret techno. Just grab every single anomaly node you can get, no matter what. Even better, kick out "cold snap" and go for "pain launcher", so you can go full bottom tree. Damage is good, but now you are some weird kind of turret bastard. Devastator melee set. What the heck? Melee scales with anomaly power, and you will need anomaly power for skill life leech too, if you want to survive. They changed the set to firepower. A melee set that is all about getting damage... maybe the whole thing is good at the end. But i would call it: "counterintuitive"!!! Played with random groups the whole day. Not a single one was able to kill the arbiters before they did this AOE thing. And thats cool... feels better if you have to put up a real fight now. But... a full run now takes WAY longer then before, that means PCF did it again... slowed you down by 50%, gave 10% more XP and sold it to you as a buff. Not a single word about XP in expeditions... they buffed the loot (not really), but what about apoc-leveling? I'm confused and i don't now if i should like or hate the patch. And i'm unsure about spending (or wasting) more of my time to find it out... But after all: The whole patch is almost worthless because it doesn't contain anything that makes the grind any more bearable.
Can so agree, especially as far as the gun techno is concerned,. I thought a horse was kicking me when I did the first rounds after the patch and found that my guns were just a shadow of the day before. KeylanX and I had played quite a few rounds together and it was always a pleasure to see how our guns melted everything, but after the patch.... a weeping willow. Luckily today I was able to bring my gun damage back to a tolerable level for me with a mod change. Greetings to KeylanX from Timallen (Germany)
@@greentimallen62 Loved our runs. You are fast and focused and communication was easy... one shot here, one emote there. But damn man, you can grind like a champion... took you 3 days to get 2 apoc level ahead. Almost 40, huh? Respect... Hoffe mein Build kann weiterhin mithalten und ich bremse dich nicht zu sehr aus. Ich hüpfe immer gern dazu wenn ich dich online sehe. Danke für den Spaß 😊
Awesome video, but there is one thing which you might double check. The resources for leveling and gear piece up went up, not down. They mentioned a -5% reduction of AE on gear level 50+ but when I jumped into the game yesterday it jumped up for a gear at level 58. Before patch it was something below 2000 AE (honestly don't remember the specific number) but after the patch it went to 2372 AE. Some other people in yesterdays the Full Measure Stream had the same that the prices actually went up by a bit (would guess 15-20%). When it stays like this even with increased resources from Expo's I highly doubt that it actually reduce the time you need to get to max level on the gear. I love the game on how it plays and on the variety it offers, but 100+ (more likely to be 200 hours) to reach max Level on Gear and AT (PER CHARACTER) is simply to much for me as a parent with full time job :(
I used to love outriders now it just seems like trying to get all the seismic sets for my devastator is just way too difficult or maybe I'm just a bad player but with a full-time job and a family it's hard to even focus on it
@@Averyisdabes totally feel you. Maybe I was lucky that my two main character were fully optimized before Worldslayer, so continue running with normal Legendaries-Only is still working (but only if god-roll and fully optimized) but yeah, trying new builds or the other two classes is simply like an additional full-time job 😅 I think for you it's the same that sacrifice sleep for playing games is not really an option anymore as it was before job and family 😅
Buzz, I’m a long time sub of your channel. I respect and appreciate your content! The update that just dropped for this game is horrible!! My focus right now is the fact that they completely nerfed Status Power and try to hide it behind a “Bug Fix”! It’s a low down move and it needs to be called out! I’ve been gaming for 35 years and in that time I can’t recall a game that penalizes players for leveling up! I hope you’ll take a few minutes and look into what I’m talking about. If you need any information from me please just ask and I’ll provide you with all the numbers and facts on this issue. Thanks Buzz keep up the good work!
I'm sick of chasing levels, for one I can't keep up with my bro who has more spare time than me. (heh, we are both old enough to be Grandads) Secondly, I just want to reach max level and experiment with builds, grind for a perfect last piece, have full sets with different skills. I might even want to try and get my other 3 characters up there! Personally, I'd like 50% faster progression and 10x more of that blue shit!
I think they should rethink the despair percentage from 100 to a 30 at least to a 50 should be doable specially that seismic is one of tue most viable for the dev bleed build
I'm convinced that mage's rage wasn't a glitch. I think they just forgot to change the values in the launch nerf and only changed the tech. All the values were so high before that launch nerf and this one was missed. What do you think?
I'm seeing so much powerful, diverse builds ever since the latest update, so them nerfing Mages Rage, and buffing other things like skills/mods, made the game way better.
It’s a garbage patch and the loot drops are still terrible. I get you’re an Ambassador for PCF but be real about it. Nerfed the fu** out of AP builds and the targeted loot is a joke. Nothing really changed here but the grind is a tad slower. When Worldslayer released I was very happy with the loot and I was enjoying the hell out of it. These devs are the absolute worst when it comes to “balancing” the game and every patch screws things up even more.
I think there was a lot of good with this patch and a lot of fixes too. I also like the fact the devs realized they over nerf everything to do with fire power. Although I wish they revert the tier 2 bone shrapnel back to "on kill" in stead of "on critical shot". I like the increase to anomaly extract drops but still feel it's not enough but that's probably just me. As for the slight reduction to apoc leveling, I was like "oh wow that sliver in growth has slightly double in width" As for the drops in those side areas, they still drop more normal gear then apoc, at least I can break them down for titanium and sell for drop pod resources. But the legendary drops don't seem to change, I'm getting mostly normal legendary gear and when I do get a apoc one it's usually the cannonball set. I am so sick of seeing that set. I do have a question for everyone that plays pyro, when and NPC just spawn do you have problems when trying to use your eruption on that NPC? I just can't seem to get it to work, I keep getting the message "no valid target", but I can shoot the NPC or use one of my other skills on that NPC. Hope we get the build preset before this game runs it's course or they announce a Outriders 2 or something.
The approach that makes me take a break from any game is A.I. "NPC" changes that are conveniently left out. When they go from reasonably aggressive to crawling up inside my a$$ or when certain annoying high damage NPCs go from a team of 4 to 8 or 12....Like the Shadow Beasts in the in certain missions or the number of birds in the last part of the Arboretum... Or the flame bullet Destroyers that used to be random in the Okreil(sp?) mission but now appear at roughly the 4 or 5 clock position or the 7 - 8 CP at the same time as the Corsair blitz. If the room is open on both sides, then you are blessed with 2 Destroyers on each flank. All of the was in the levels below 50 gear score (APOC Tier 15)... They did a similar AI behavior adjustment a few weeks after the original game launch that resulted in getting 1 shot by the Brood Mothers. The Division 2 does this. The appearance in the patch notes is that changes were made to specific talents, mods, etc... So is the grind actually shorter? No. The AI act as a throttle for many because they get killed and then have to start over. So on a struggling low level Trickster like one of my characters, I could solo the Arboretum without any issues on Monday and now it is much easier to get wiped by the birds spamming the fire bomb drops. All of this without fixing the horrible multiplayer network stability. 😒 I want to like this game...but they are not helping.
Great channel Buzz! Thanks. State of the game. Spent 200 hours+ (due to ALL the issues with matchmaking STILL) taking my techno from lvl 37 to 71. Just joined a team on Tier 40 and yet again crashed out of the game. Dropped back in and solo’d the run including Arbie and the docks. Didn’t farm the end boss just once and done. Left with 14.8b damage, took about 50 mins (loading screens???). Loot, didn’t keep one thing. Drop pod resources about 100k and about 2.5k Annom Ext. Apoc Tier progress 0. My only comment to everyone involved in this game, if I was your parent I would simply say “I’m just disappointed in you. Also 200 hours in Div 2 or Destiny 2 would give me 2 FULL maxed out characters. BROKEN.
AP Pyro was my main and now it's murdered. I tried all different pyro sets and nothing had any major melting potential. Putting game down until buffs come for pyro as neither the AP or FP pyro feel good atm.
FYI time rift for tricksters is now bugged. It wont do damage outside of the first hit when used on bosses. After you use it once it wont damage the boss again the next time you use it.
It also dont hit enemies in certain areas like before ill throw it out and ill hit maybe 4 or 5 enemies where before what ever was in my line of sight got hit
I got into Outriders when it was in the best shape, and loved it. I really didn't expect them to have so much work to do on their DLC after it dropped. It's a shame.
i get the new changes. but what about getting rid of the pod resource charge for doing expeditions, i think it is not fair for the party lead gets less pod reosurces after completion while the rest of the group gets 100%.
A week or so into it now, i love the changes. Bummer it took over a year to get the game here but it’s great now; what it should’ve been at launch. Being a FP trickster is a good time right now!
I actually wanna say something about what u said regarding Item locking not working in ur stash. And them reseting after each session. Ive actually loaded up my session maybe 5 times and the item locking in the stash works fine. I havent had any issues with them unlocking themselves. Now i don't typically play with other people or random people. So I'm not sure if this only happens if u are loading into games or hosting a lobby. That part i don t know. But Ive yet to expirence this issue personally with the Item locking. Works like a charm for me. But this might be a bug if people are still having this issue. As it seems like it's meant to typically work.
Id personally like to see an alt incentive boost based on how far your furthest character is on the apoc tiers speeding up the others. I think that would be a fair "meet halfway" with the tiers not being account wide but just spitballing.
Even after the patch its still ludacris how much it costs to level gear. I have a level 49 pyro and leveling up all my apocalypse gear took all my anomaly abstracts. Im really wondering if getting to such a high level is even worth it.
At level 49 you haven't even hit where the game starts most players at . once you hit around level 28 29 30 the grind is real.... not in a good way the worst way you could imagine possible. Before at least you could run it in an hour To an hour and 15 minutes(everything) now with this update it's gonna take way longer. The bosses have a whole lot of health and now you're not doing a whole lot of damage....... It's sad because the game is great but this patch is not.
@@redlew012 I just started playing outriders a month ago, and I love it, even have a character for each class, but knowing how much everything is gonna cost to level up, Im gonna just stick with my main Pyro for now.
this expansion was promising and took a step in the right direction. It's too bad they didn't add the other 90% of the content needed to justify the price and time needed to max anything. This was a 5 or 10 dollar dlc as released. I'll be heavily researching any further PCF games or content before purchase after this obvious cash grab.
I think 10 percent isn't as bad as we thing. Assuming that it applies to the flat amount of xp per level, you'd have to assume that it's an exponential buff. Still pretty anemic though
I had to put down outriders a couple of weeks ago. I was a apoc tier 36 Techno and still never got a single legendary apoc boreal leg piece to drop. Doing the same rooms over and over for trash gets old fast.
My ash pryo still can wrecked ads & elites, but the 3 main bosses in trials still kill but it takes little longer, so speed running u have to watch what ur doing now.
"Lethal Devices" does the most dmg in my Turret build, even more dmg than the Cryo Turret itself. I have no idea why or how. A friend of mine does much less dmg with "Lethal Devices" but does most dmg with the Blighted Turrret mod "Focused Discharge". What really kills me is that you actually lose more Status Power than the Apocalypse Tier Malus is telling us.
@@martyluterman965 What problem, that it does now more dmg than before? Because I don't see any Problems since I do more dmg with Lethal Devices than before the Patch and my Cryo Turret has lost around 30% dmg because of Status Power Malus bug.
Ik the apoc tiers are back breaking for some. Not every player uses all 4 characters. Nor plays for 10 hours a day. Its something to do. Allot of people dont play to min max.
I would like to ask about item locking Right now I’m at level 70 on my dev character I may have locked my weapons but I can not change mods on any legendary or epic weapons, is there a way to unlock them. Some are in my stash but even after a reset it the same, I can upgrade but not mods.
I ran expeditions at high and low apoc tiers and different characters and none of the runs gave me apoc legendary. Only non apoc legendary. There is no incentive to use the expeditions other than picking up some xp although less than TG. Very disappointing. I was getting so bored with just running TG over and over but that is the only way to add new builds if you want complete builds.
@@N0rdW1nd those two games have a single dungeon to run 700+ times? And games with an "end game", grind, leveling up, that are online and multiplayer def fall under mmo tropes and fit that moniker.
I have an eruption build and I would always do at least like 500 to a billion more damage then my buddy who plays dev after the patch I did a billion and 500 million less damage then him
Im really disappointed i FINALLY got the marshal boots to drop, FINALLY got the Despair mod a couple weeks ago. Then the nerf. But it was VERY satisfying while it lasted.
The despair mod change was a heavy blow for me, I had to switch it out for thunders legacy. As for pyro, I was going away from the eruption build when this happened and I’ll just say eruption now is watered down trash. The qol changes are nice I’ll give them that but I wish instead of working on nerfing things they would work on the net code and connection issues. They are not as bad as they were but I still get some yellow triangles on some matches I play. A dedicated server would fix this. Anyways, good video my guy, hope to catch your next stream on twitch.
they fixed things, whoop!, But the Grind of the A tier is still a ball ache, i really cant bring myself to play because of it, i like the the game style and the art in outriders, i really think they should make old expeditions be the exp grind for ap tiering if they do not want loot to drop there, but it does need some spicing up removed non skipable cutscenes extra, they did a lot of work on it, be ashame to see it go to waste.
I’m by no means a outriders god but I just built a lava lich eruption build and I’m smashing bosses at my apoc tier I was playing yesterday and today- tier 22 & 23. I love playing pyro and am just getting back into outriders but intense grind has me not wanting to touch other classes… hope that just tuned further
@@williambarr7408 Eruption, Ash Blast, Overheat. I’ve 3 lava lich pieces and boost AP wherever possible. Eruption is where the most damage by far. I run 3 eruptions and get massive damage on the 3rd eruption with a few stacking AP perks. The biggest boost is from the pax tree perk “trigger sequence” if you’re stacking the overheat and eruptions plus debuffing them a bit with ash blast
i think whats going to kill the game is the fact that they replyed to a reddit user that their hands are tied when it comes to stash..if that is the case ...how in the world are you going to introduce more dlc or armor or weapons or anything if you cant make more space for items and gear..etc...it sucks cause i love this game i probably have more hrs on this than anyone...no bragging ...lol
Had better game performance and more fun playing the demo than the actual game. Sunk about 80 hours into the full release and it was an uphill battle the entire time. Constant crashing, barely holding over 40-50 fps with DLSS allegedly helping out. Shame really. The build diversity and originality of the exotics were sublime.
They can make all the changes they want, but the actual gaming experience is the worst it's ever been because of the useless apoc tier grind of the last 10 or more tiers. It's the most boring game design I've ever played. Run the same 7 or 8 rooms for a couple thousand times to get to max apoc tier so it will be possible to start the real fun part of the game at max level. And then start all over again on a different class. I've been playing consistently since the first beta and this one horrible design choice makes this the worst the game has been. I don't understand how they have their heel dug in on this one, refusing to change it. It's like they don't even play the game
As a pyro main, the nerfs hit me seriously hard. I essentially went from doing 100mil every 6 seconds to doing 70 mil every 8 seconds. My build is nowhere near perfect, so i'm going to need serious good luck on my apoc mods to continue farming on AT40.
They have basically forced use to focus on building only one character for 80+ hours and it's just too much for me. I'd like to build all 4 characters and test the different builds but this is too much time. I am just sticking with Technomancer because of this.
B4 worldslayer I got to make great builds, now it's just to much, I want to play right now, but when I log on, I'm In middile of a run, I just want to log off
I would agree that they’re trying to pull away from anomaly builds and trying to kickstart firepower builds across the board, but I simply won’t even consider touching FP builds because consistently landing headshots on console is nearly impossible with the frame rate drops and the aim assist automatically targeting the stomach of every enemy. For me, it’s an unbearable play style that hinders your dps, survivability, and fun. If the aim assist portion was changed to actually automatically target enemies heads instead, it would be a very enticing option to switch over to and actually be able to play with and do well. However since that’s far from the case, long as I’m on console (and no, I’m not switching for anything) I’m not touching an FP build.
I seriously gave this game many opportunities, tried different sets for Trikster but I finally give up. I won't be playing this game anymore . It's feels like, for the DLC, they went out if their way to make the game trash. Keep getting the SAME GEAR with THE SAME USELESS MODS that don't help my builds.
They could release 100 patches like this and it still doesn't address the content drought. People have been running expeditions for months, trying to make them barely viable wont address the core issue.
I love the new update but if we are in a party , or kick out from a party the pc cashring , i am happy i can play the game on steam but in party its to ba a bad thing , i hope the Team can fix the .
My Deva isn't top end, so most of these changes haven't hit me. And as nice as Apoc gear is. with that third slot 90% of the ones I get are useless. Oh joy, I get extra damage when something is on fire... Except this shotty or BMG don't do fire. Or extra damage on Ashed, or Toxified... But I'm a DEVASTATOR, not a pansy chemist or squishy firebug.
What do you think about all of these changes?! How about the individual class changes?
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@@Jo-mama293 I need to get big blocks of time to get them geared up!
@@LtBuzzLitebeer I know, I’m just - peer pressure peer pressure do it do it. Thanks, great vids bro.
I think reading your comments says it all. Paying attention to the dwindling LFG posts back to pre- Worldslayer numbers.
You more popular UA-camrs ought to move on to other games and stop being ambassadors of this one if you are so you can speak your real mind if you agree with us:
They totally screwed their players making us pay $40 for only 3 hours of true “new content” but really it was just about “balanced adjustments” and thus huge patch is only more proof of that. FP devs go crazy while AP pyros rage and rightly so. Maybe people involved in this game should realize one day content matters 100x more than “balance” in ANY game even PvP ones if you want them to survive but especially PvE ones.
I’m so tired of doing the same trial…1000 times…and then being forced to fight the bull crap fight (not challenging at all took just annoying mind you) with recycled arbiters over and over and over again just for them to then change things in the name of “fixes” but then NOT compensate their paying consumers. Yes WE should get a say in the future of the game TOO if you want my opinion.
And now we do too…we are effectively ending this game by leaving. Join us too one day please.
I’m just a tiny UA-camr with crap quality between jobs irl. My channel only got any traction at all because of this game actually after New Horizon. I noticed though Worldslayer contributed nothing to it and I think I know why lol. Anyway I made one last video with my own points against it if you can stand me ranting into my iPhone for now. It’s time we all play different games. Cloud Plays mentioned the new looter shooter build craft games coming. Hopefully they’re better cause PcF now needs competition with this pathetic mess they foisted on players.
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Nearing Average Gear Level 50 here, and likely am staying there not buying WS until there are more significant changes to the AT grind.
3:53 completely true: I've given up already, it's just too dull running the same content over & over.
I still wanna give PCF big kudos for what they made with this game - but I can't even face finishing my techno, never mind even starting the other characters.
Only a 10% reduced xp grind? Wow, PCF is still trying to stretch out this $40 dlc.
I wonder why
Freal. This xpack was absolutely a $15 pack at best.
Same missions over and over to get stronger to do those same missions again
Yup. We need way more maps, I felt the campaign being very short too.
That's what "end game" means but yeah the grind is real took me long days/nights to hit apoc 40 techno
20 expeditions. Worldslayer added ONE LONGER one with the trial but that was IT. Recycled boss too and dear Lord the arbiters are not challenging but just annoying to the point I applaud anyone just getting a modded gun to one tap them during the grinding if they expect us to restart builds constantly to keep fighting the same bosses 10000 times.
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@@ch3micalromanc369 no. Look at destiny which sucks. The endgame there is multiple missions not just 1.
Not wrong
when one of their own ambassadors who plays games for a living says they dont have the time to level multiple characters, that should be a massive red flag to pcf that this needs to be adjusted asap. 10% is paltry amount, should be minimum 30% so players feel like they're getting somewhere and don't just give up.
I’m a Pyro main and, “look what they did to my boy…”
I had to completely retool my build after the changes. I was using FASER with Thermal Bomb and Overheat, and my class tree why split between the bottom and then middle.
No more.
Now, to stay relevant with my Trickster girlfriend, I have to fully dedicate to the bottom tree, which kills my tankyness. That and FASER is replaced by Eruption.
The meta was going toward Eruption anyway, and now I feel forced to play with it as well. According to PCF, they want players to be free to try any combination, but that is simply not the case with Pyro.
It seems like they want you to run a certain build, but that is totally the antithesis of an action looter rpg. I should be able to make whatever build I want but I keep getting the same damn drops also.
Nah that's not true, I'm a pyro main since day one, and have 3 pyro builds (Armor of the Reforged, Scorched Zealot Set and a hybrid build) that shred. There's plenty of diverse builds, for all classes, that are extremely powerful, especially after this update.
@@Andy_Paris after how many hours
@@stolensentience I have 6 Pyromancer builds now, over 500 hours.
I personally don't have a problem with the leveling for Apocalypse Tiers, Ascension Levels I do. There are only 40 Apoc Tiers, but 200 Ascension Levels. I think the general XP should be raised for that, or just do what COD does. Have some 2xp weekends every so often. 2x XP, and 2x Anomaly Extract.
For Trikster is the opposite.
Meh. Thats all luxury. But apoc tiers being tied to gear levels makes it even more punitive for the slog.
Yesterday I ran 20 expeditions. Hoping I would get some desent drops since they adjusted drop rate. In all of my runs I ended up with a ton uf purple gear 50 % of it was apoc gear. I ended up getting an average of 2 lejendary per run. Only 1 lejendary was apoc. Only keept two purple pcs. Trials drop rates is crap as well.
Yeah Expos still have crap drops
So basically everything since New Horizon.
Well fear not. They have actually better loot now. Maybe play on Tier 11+
I usually play the Expedition to gain Drop Pod Resources to use to reroll the shop at Tiago until I see what I want
I do the same. I was just testing the fact they said that expo drops were on part with trials.. And they were correct both are crap.🤣🤣
I'm tier 29
Run eye of the storm you will get a Legendary every time
With no serious reduction to apoc tier exp grind, I'm out of here... not going to waste so many hours...
I honestly like the new updates. I went from 3 million damage in a trail run to 14 million tarya gratar trial run with my heat seeker pyro
Untl they fix the duplicate gear drop issues, I think I'll shelve this game. I can't an apoc lava lich chest piece but the game has no problem giving me dozens of Martyrs helmets and cannon ball gloves. I quit playing this game pre-worldslayers because I was tired of getting the same pieces of gear which none of it advanced my build. This has not changed in worldslayers.
Yep, the loot drops are bad.
Yeah, the other issue is they always have the SAME MODS!
@@lalotz Same mods (the ones you don't want) whats the point of grinding all week for non-useable gear.
@@xspindrift8737 I seriously thought they were going fix this, it's a very obvious problem.
This tells me they want to force use to use particular set with particular mods.
"My game, My rules - but if you want to hack it go ahead, ruin the game further 🥲"
I hear you.
Yeah I'm done for a bit, burnt out getting to tier 40 techno and tier 36 dev
thanks for the vid keep up the great work.
Thanks 👍
Because of this patch I had to rebuild my pyro, and um, I'm now more powerful than before lol.
No shit
As a newer casual player i think a lot of these changes are too little too late.
Im already beyond burnt out from the god awful grind that I cant force myself to keep playing.
But if they keep going this direction than it could make the decision of buying the next DLC easier. With how the game felt when i stopped playing I really dont think id be interested in buying another DLC.
Now I know that im just a casual player and hardcore players will always have better insight to the game. But the casual fan base is a vital part of any game. Hell thats not even exclusive to just games butt basically all entertainment companies.
PCF keeps making the same mistakes time after time with each update. From the start it should of been live service, with seasons and activities to prolong the games life. Me and my three friends are playing less each day and come August will move on.
I get it, it's a great game until the grind hit u hard at the end. PCF never gets the hint, this is a pve game & u should feel like a god, make good content, let player makes build, let them be happy, then when u drop another dlc they will buy it.
Lol, thank you for the clip from The Office about the 10% grind reduction. That’s definitely not enough for me to continue playing the game. How did we go from a Challenge based leveling system to an XP grind like this? It’s too much for one character, much less several of them. I’m going to have to let the game sit until that gets a drastic change, and hopefully it’s not too late. As a day 1 player this is very disappointing. Thank you for the video, Buzz 👍
Thanks Donnie, and that clip was appropriate for the change!
Outriders feels like addiction to me from when it 1st came out, then when i got my pyro to apoc 33, I went to my other toons, to get them to apoc 25, went back to pyro to get to 40, 33 trying to get to 34 feels like 3 day adventure right now
Same, grind is too much for max tier. I’d like to get a half tier progress for a full run of trials. Maybe half is too much but something needs to change. Kinda kills the will to play the game.
well the luck of having a injury while this patch dropped means that i could play almost non stop since the patch hit...and honestly, it feels more like a big meh. then a actually positive.
Classes;
- Trickesters; got of scot free, their shieldbeast build is still insanely powerful despite the "fix/nerf" to mages rage, at Apoc tier 22 level my trickster can still deal more dmg PER shot, then a BR techno can that is on apo 28, and even beats my minigun build (1,5mil per shot) for apo 28.
- Technomancer ; They fixed a problem on the grim inventor with the RPG, and at least on my end, i now have problems with the Minigun (set bonus not refilling ammo via pain-launcher hits while tools is active), great to see blightfire be added to the toxic pool, felt like that was really missing. how-ever i do dis-agree with your judgement on "first things first". yes it has received a double wammy 20% of the mod itself, and a 35% conversion loss to resist pierce. but you still on avg gain about 16.5% out of in extra AP, especially if you do not have the Techmonger set in as close to god roll as possible. "First things first" still works well for that build.
- Devestator; is the one i do not understand, with the fixing of mages rage a lot of AP has been removed, so they add a extra 5% per anom node in the tree (35% total max i believe), the leap being reduced by 70% can still be of-set by other mods (marshal, impale) to get that AP dmg back to 60%. they buffed they earthen core by slapping a 0.5sec cd on it while increasing the shield you gain per damage applied....all in all, the only thing i see different on the bleed/earthquake build i'm using is that my 3th earth quake does not hit for 26mil any more, but a "mere" 21mil...so idk what their aim was, but i feel like they missed it, especially since they buffed other nodes in the PAX tree as well. (my dev has 59 gear and runs apocs 28)
- Pyro; is one that pains me a bit, since base i wanted to main a pyro, but time restrictions made me dual main a tech/dev. with world slayer, the grind/playstyle became a bit easier for pyro(and ill say it myself; "so my dumb ass could finally play with fire) and had planned to main pyro for world slayer, after these changes.....no, im going to techno or dev again.
the CD reduction is pretty devastating if you don't have perfect gear(i'm sure it was needed for high tier in combo with god rolls sure), but i feel it is over tuned for lower level, where you can max out cooldown without sacrificing damage. tried various different builds (Eruption, F.A.S.E.R, Thermal bomb heatseeker, Thermal bomb Reforged) -and a few concoctions of my own(all failed).
next to losing a large amount of options to reset cooldowns, you also lose damage via the fix for mages rage, the reduction of 35% NRTF, Master Exploder being reduced by 50%, 5% nerf on backdraft and so on and so on.
now i do believe that pyro was wayyy to strong in any of the builds i mentioned. (tho it was fun to see that 3th volcano blow the arbitter up for 129mil on apo 25). i just did not expect this hard a hit on it. to where (for me; again ill admit this is probably just more a me problem),i can no longer grind on my actual apoc tier (29) and have to reduce all the way down to 24, just so i can complete encounters with the builds.
me and the friends i play with are still having many co-op issues that where not addressed, such as CD's not correctly applying, Skill just locking up when you try to activate them, general lag/FPS drops, connectivity issues between the host and clients. (and me and my friends all have more then 500mbits/sec up and download (personally i sit on 1gbits/sec up and down). and no matter who hosts, the clients all suffer from the mentioned issues and more (enemies spawning under the map where skills dont even effect them), enemies falling trough the floor when they take damage, mods not applying (Toxic lead still not working for instance) and so on and so on.
1 or multiple clients dont get XP to their Apoc tier/ascension if the host is on a higher or lower Apoc level. Ash blast cancelling out Cold snap and visa versa, making pyro/techno combo's for co-op a nightmare.
Loot drop increase on expeditions...i don't really see the change. but ill have to take their and other people word for it if it is indeed better (spend more time in trails).
Trails how-ever the AE drops are much better. just in a single run in mid20's apoc you can easily net around 7/8K(probably more, as me and my friends also spend it inside to upgrade gear we have).
loot feels slightly better divided but still a bit lack luster for the effort needed(and yes in that i include the co-op issues as well). and we are still seeing random weird drops, such as helmets for targeted loot pants, boots with gloves, boots drop more weapons then boots (at least for me and my friends).
so in overall, personally speaking of course, i feel that while trying to fix 1 thing, they over looked other things, and broke several more.
and for me, pyro is just less fun, now that you have to deal with 8/10 sec cooldowns that cant be reset anymore, forcing you to start shooting, when you want to play AP build.
i'm hoping for a follow up patch/hotfix, to address some of the issues me and my friends have been seeing. or i think that this will be the last patch me and my friends been playing, before we move on to a different type of co-op/looter shooter. (sadly)
So they lowered the exp requirement per Apoc tier, increased the resource drops, in order to soften the grind... but they obliterated AP builds. The nerf actually makes the grind harder. Think, I'm just done. 😕
Impressive Patch and some REALLY good changes, but...
Again... what does Outriders wants from me?
Turret techno forced into the bottom tree... 15% power per anomaly node, you can't deny that. Ignore freeze, ignore vulnerable, even ignore the "overclock" last node... In fact: Ignore EVERYTHING what was the identidy of a turret techno. Just grab every single anomaly node you can get, no matter what. Even better, kick out "cold snap" and go for "pain launcher", so you can go full bottom tree. Damage is good, but now you are some weird kind of turret bastard.
Devastator melee set. What the heck? Melee scales with anomaly power, and you will need anomaly power for skill life leech too, if you want to survive. They changed the set to firepower. A melee set that is all about getting damage... maybe the whole thing is good at the end. But i would call it: "counterintuitive"!!!
Played with random groups the whole day. Not a single one was able to kill the arbiters before they did this AOE thing. And thats cool... feels better if you have to put up a real fight now. But...
a full run now takes WAY longer then before, that means PCF did it again... slowed you down by 50%, gave 10% more XP and sold it to you as a buff.
Not a single word about XP in expeditions... they buffed the loot (not really), but what about apoc-leveling?
I'm confused and i don't now if i should like or hate the patch. And i'm unsure about spending (or wasting) more of my time to find it out...
But after all: The whole patch is almost worthless because it doesn't contain anything that makes the grind any more bearable.
Can so agree, especially as far as the gun techno is concerned,. I thought a horse was kicking me when I did the first rounds after the patch and found that my guns were just a shadow of the day before.
KeylanX and I had played quite a few rounds together and it was always a pleasure to see how our guns melted everything, but after the patch.... a weeping willow.
Luckily today I was able to bring my gun damage back to a tolerable level for me with a mod change.
Greetings to KeylanX from Timallen (Germany)
@@greentimallen62 Loved our runs. You are fast and focused and communication was easy... one shot here, one emote there. But damn man, you can grind like a champion... took you 3 days to get 2 apoc level ahead. Almost 40, huh? Respect...
Hoffe mein Build kann weiterhin mithalten und ich bremse dich nicht zu sehr aus. Ich hüpfe immer gern dazu wenn ich dich online sehe. Danke für den Spaß 😊
Overall I think that patch has allot of good qualities. Granted I have to rework a few things now, but still pretty good
Agreed 💯
Awesome video, but there is one thing which you might double check. The resources for leveling and gear piece up went up, not down. They mentioned a -5% reduction of AE on gear level 50+ but when I jumped into the game yesterday it jumped up for a gear at level 58. Before patch it was something below 2000 AE (honestly don't remember the specific number) but after the patch it went to 2372 AE. Some other people in yesterdays the Full Measure Stream had the same that the prices actually went up by a bit (would guess 15-20%).
When it stays like this even with increased resources from Expo's I highly doubt that it actually reduce the time you need to get to max level on the gear.
I love the game on how it plays and on the variety it offers, but 100+ (more likely to be 200 hours) to reach max Level on Gear and AT (PER CHARACTER) is simply to much for me as a parent with full time job :(
I used to love outriders now it just seems like trying to get all the seismic sets for my devastator is just way too difficult or maybe I'm just a bad player but with a full-time job and a family it's hard to even focus on it
@@Averyisdabes totally feel you. Maybe I was lucky that my two main character were fully optimized before Worldslayer, so continue running with normal Legendaries-Only is still working (but only if god-roll and fully optimized) but yeah, trying new builds or the other two classes is simply like an additional full-time job 😅 I think for you it's the same that sacrifice sleep for playing games is not really an option anymore as it was before job and family 😅
Buzz, I’m a long time sub of your channel. I respect and appreciate your content! The update that just dropped for this game is horrible!! My focus right now is the fact that they completely nerfed Status Power and try to hide it behind a “Bug Fix”! It’s a low down move and it needs to be called out! I’ve been gaming for 35 years and in that time I can’t recall a game that penalizes players for leveling up! I hope you’ll take a few minutes and look into what I’m talking about. If you need any information from me please just ask and I’ll provide you with all the numbers and facts on this issue. Thanks Buzz keep up the good work!
I'm curious to hear about this! Please share
I saw the SP cap in the notes as well.
@@LtBuzzLitebeer I must have missed it, how much is it capped at?
I'm sick of chasing levels, for one I can't keep up with my bro who has more spare time than me. (heh, we are both old enough to be Grandads) Secondly, I just want to reach max level and experiment with builds, grind for a perfect last piece, have full sets with different skills. I might even want to try and get my other 3 characters up there!
Personally, I'd like 50% faster progression and 10x more of that blue shit!
You’re getting more comedic with your content…. And I’m here for it. Stayed evolved, agent.
Thanks. I like trying new formats. 👍
I love how you give Stadia shout-outs every once in a while. As a Stadia Outriders player, I appreciate it :-) Great content as always!!
👍👍👍
I don't think that was a shoutout but hey if your still playing anything on stadia you're truly an optimistic person.
@@Alacod19 to each their own Alacod19, enjoying Outriders none the less 🙂
@@Purple_Haze enjoy what you love
Thanks dude. Needed the “I don’t have the hour for The Full Measure to explain.” Will catch his in a day or 2.
Stumbled across you and glad I did.
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I think they should rethink the despair percentage from 100 to a 30 at least to a 50 should be doable specially that seismic is one of tue most viable for the dev bleed build
I'm convinced that mage's rage wasn't a glitch. I think they just forgot to change the values in the launch nerf and only changed the tech. All the values were so high before that launch nerf and this one was missed. What do you think?
It's entirely possible it fell through the cracks.
I'm seeing so much powerful, diverse builds ever since the latest update, so them nerfing Mages Rage, and buffing other things like skills/mods, made the game way better.
It’s a garbage patch and the loot drops are still terrible. I get you’re an Ambassador for PCF but be real about it. Nerfed the fu** out of AP builds and the targeted loot is a joke. Nothing really changed here but the grind is a tad slower. When Worldslayer released I was very happy with the loot and I was enjoying the hell out of it. These devs are the absolute worst when it comes to “balancing” the game and every patch screws things up even more.
yep
You hit the nail on the head!!
I think there was a lot of good with this patch and a lot of fixes too. I also like the fact the devs realized they over nerf everything to do with fire power. Although I wish they revert the tier 2 bone shrapnel back to "on kill" in stead of "on critical shot". I like the increase to anomaly extract drops but still feel it's not enough but that's probably just me. As for the slight reduction to apoc leveling, I was like "oh wow that sliver in growth has slightly double in width" As for the drops in those side areas, they still drop more normal gear then apoc, at least I can break them down for titanium and sell for drop pod resources. But the legendary drops don't seem to change, I'm getting mostly normal legendary gear and when I do get a apoc one it's usually the cannonball set. I am so sick of seeing that set. I do have a question for everyone that plays pyro, when and NPC just spawn do you have problems when trying to use your eruption on that NPC? I just can't seem to get it to work, I keep getting the message "no valid target", but I can shoot the NPC or use one of my other skills on that NPC. Hope we get the build preset before this game runs it's course or they announce a Outriders 2 or something.
The approach that makes me take a break from any game is A.I. "NPC" changes that are conveniently left out. When they go from reasonably aggressive to crawling up inside my a$$ or when certain annoying high damage NPCs go from a team of 4 to 8 or 12....Like the Shadow Beasts in the in certain missions or the number of birds in the last part of the Arboretum... Or the flame bullet Destroyers that used to be random in the Okreil(sp?) mission but now appear at roughly the 4 or 5 clock position or the 7 - 8 CP at the same time as the Corsair blitz. If the room is open on both sides, then you are blessed with 2 Destroyers on each flank. All of the was in the levels below 50 gear score (APOC Tier 15)... They did a similar AI behavior adjustment a few weeks after the original game launch that resulted in getting 1 shot by the Brood Mothers. The Division 2 does this. The appearance in the patch notes is that changes were made to specific talents, mods, etc... So is the grind actually shorter? No. The AI act as a throttle for many because they get killed and then have to start over. So on a struggling low level Trickster like one of my characters, I could solo the Arboretum without any issues on Monday and now it is much easier to get wiped by the birds spamming the fire bomb drops. All of this without fixing the horrible multiplayer network stability. 😒 I want to like this game...but they are not helping.
Great channel Buzz! Thanks. State of the game. Spent 200 hours+ (due to ALL the issues with matchmaking STILL) taking my techno from lvl 37 to 71. Just joined a team on Tier 40 and yet again crashed out of the game. Dropped back in and solo’d the run including Arbie and the docks. Didn’t farm the end boss just once and done. Left with 14.8b damage, took about 50 mins (loading screens???). Loot, didn’t keep one thing. Drop pod resources about 100k and about 2.5k Annom Ext. Apoc Tier progress 0. My only comment to everyone involved in this game, if I was your parent I would simply say “I’m just disappointed in you. Also 200 hours in Div 2 or Destiny 2 would give me 2 FULL maxed out characters. BROKEN.
AP Pyro was my main and now it's murdered. I tried all different pyro sets and nothing had any major melting potential.
Putting game down until buffs come for pyro as neither the AP or FP pyro feel good atm.
I agree. . Pyro got smashed. I am now done with this game . POF keeps maki g bad crap worse
tested last night and felt different on aiming (auto aim on PS5) it’s worse than before. (I’m technomancer) grind xp boost made me feel no difference.
10% more xp, but takes twice as long to kill everything, PCF logic :)
Speak the truth 👏 🙌 💯
FYI time rift for tricksters is now bugged. It wont do damage outside of the first hit when used on bosses. After you use it once it wont damage the boss again the next time you use it.
It also dont hit enemies in certain areas like before ill throw it out and ill hit maybe 4 or 5 enemies where before what ever was in my line of sight got hit
Great video ,I hated playing this solo but then played co op and its brilliant
I got into Outriders when it was in the best shape, and loved it.
I really didn't expect them to have so much work to do on their DLC after it dropped. It's a shame.
Upgrade costs are still insane. Expeditions give you shit. AP builds feel like wet paper now. 2k hours total and I'm done, GGs
PoF are terrible. Crap game
Please do a few new videos on Technomancer builds after this update - including turret build, firepower build, etc.
Again PCF swing for the fences and misses once again, or was that their intention?
i get the new changes. but what about getting rid of the pod resource charge for doing expeditions, i think it is not fair for the party lead gets less pod reosurces after completion while the rest of the group gets 100%.
A week or so into it now, i love the changes. Bummer it took over a year to get the game here but it’s great now; what it should’ve been at launch. Being a FP trickster is a good time right now!
Not sure how much the change to lethal devices affects me when overall my minigun build went from about 600 million damage to over 1 billion damage…
Pyro man and I love the 200% buff to my gear set thermal bomb, feed the flame, and faser beam, reforged feels great now
I'm sad about Status Power getting slapped otherwise great patch.
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Loving the seismic devastator still. Not had time with the grind to even think about starting a alt toon yet.
Me neither. The Apoc grind is SO slow.
I actually wanna say something about what u said regarding Item locking not working in ur stash. And them reseting after each session. Ive actually loaded up my session maybe 5 times and the item locking in the stash works fine. I havent had any issues with them unlocking themselves. Now i don't typically play with other people or random people. So I'm not sure if this only happens if u are loading into games or hosting a lobby. That part i don t know. But Ive yet to expirence this issue personally with the Item locking. Works like a charm for me. But this might be a bug if people are still having this issue. As it seems like it's meant to typically work.
Really glad I UA-cam’d this game before trying it
From just your video alone pcf trashed my technomancer build and that was my main
Really? My video caused that?
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Dont be obtuse. He clearly meant the information in your video.
@@LtBuzzLitebeer lmao I didn't play today but from what you said yes my build is now garbage
@@zacward8806 Ah. I'm working on rejigging my build for more effects from weapon mods, and hope to have it ready soon.
IMO, the best fix is for Anomaly Extract to be sold by a Vendor for Drop Pods. Before you could buy Drop Pods so why not Anomaly Extract?
On PC when you get tired of waiting for the devs to actually balance the grind, Cheat Engine is your solution.
Hate to say it, but...this. I want my 20 mil crits back. PCF did me dirty with these nerfs.
Losers. You ruin the game further for everyone else.
Id personally like to see an alt incentive boost based on how far your furthest character is on the apoc tiers speeding up the others. I think that would be a fair "meet halfway" with the tiers not being account wide but just spitballing.
Ah yeah, get a char to 40 Apo then cut the xp need in half for other chars would be nice.
How do you come up with all the little videoclips for the jokes?😅 I completely forgot about Starship Trooper😆
Even after the patch its still ludacris how much it costs to level gear. I have a level 49 pyro and leveling up all my apocalypse gear took all my anomaly abstracts. Im really wondering if getting to such a high level is even worth it.
At level 49 you haven't even hit where the game starts most players at . once you hit around level 28 29 30 the grind is real.... not in a good way the worst way you could imagine possible. Before at least you could run it in an hour To an hour and 15 minutes(everything) now with this update it's gonna take way longer. The bosses have a whole lot of health and now you're not doing a whole lot of damage....... It's sad because the game is great but this patch is not.
I've started getting to the point that I have a surplus of AE.
@@LtBuzzLitebeer Can you send me some 🤣🤣🤣
@@AntiLifeEquation1 I wish! 😂
@@redlew012 I just started playing outriders a month ago, and I love it, even have a character for each class, but knowing how much everything is gonna cost to level up, Im gonna just stick with my main Pyro for now.
apoc tiers is fine per character but assencsion tiers should be shared account wide
this expansion was promising and took a step in the right direction. It's too bad they didn't add the other 90% of the content needed to justify the price and time needed to max anything. This was a 5 or 10 dollar dlc as released. I'll be heavily researching any further PCF games or content before purchase after this obvious cash grab.
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I think 10 percent isn't as bad as we thing. Assuming that it applies to the flat amount of xp per level, you'd have to assume that it's an exponential buff. Still pretty anemic though
I had to put down outriders a couple of weeks ago. I was a apoc tier 36 Techno and still never got a single legendary apoc boreal leg piece to drop. Doing the same rooms over and over for trash gets old fast.
Hahahaha dammit Buzzy, that hard troll in the intro :D Oooof
My pyro build seems to be running just fine - still "punching" 2.5 - 3 million per eruption with 59 gear on 60 cap.
My ash pryo still can wrecked ads & elites, but the 3 main bosses in trials still kill but it takes little longer, so speed running u have to watch what ur doing now.
I run a pyro main and I don't feel like iv been affected that much bare in mind I'm still on the grid so my gear not top twir as of yet
"Lethal Devices" does the most dmg in my Turret build, even more dmg than the Cryo Turret itself. I have no idea why or how. A friend of mine does much less dmg with "Lethal Devices" but does most dmg with the Blighted Turrret mod "Focused Discharge".
What really kills me is that you actually lose more Status Power than the Apocalypse Tier Malus is telling us.
It’s a serious problem and it destroyed a lot of players builds!!
@@martyluterman965 What problem, that it does now more dmg than before? Because I don't see any Problems since I do more dmg with Lethal Devices than before the Patch and my Cryo Turret has lost around 30% dmg because of Status Power Malus bug.
Ik the apoc tiers are back breaking for some. Not every player uses all 4 characters. Nor plays for 10 hours a day. Its something to do. Allot of people dont play to min max.
It's still a tedious boring overly long grind stop being a fanboy just because you don't care about it
Untill there is an endgame or a point to actually getting a god roll set what is the point?
I would like to ask about item locking
Right now I’m at level 70 on my dev character
I may have locked my weapons but I can not change mods on any legendary or epic weapons, is there a way to unlock them.
Some are in my stash but even after a reset it the same, I can upgrade but not mods.
I ran expeditions at high and low apoc tiers and different characters and none of the runs gave me apoc legendary. Only non apoc legendary. There is no incentive to use the expeditions other than picking up some xp although less than TG. Very disappointing. I was getting so bored with just running TG over and over but that is the only way to add new builds if you want complete builds.
I have used the reforged set n it is badass its cool to c feed the flames actually kill things now
The grind is an insane ask when theres 2 activities to do for that grind and its an insanely repetitive task. Probably the worst Ive seen in any mmo.
People hammered Anthem for the same thing
You haven't really played then any other game...Try Lineage 2 or Phantasy Star Online. And to name Outriders a MMO is pretty far stretched lol
@@N0rdW1nd those two games have a single dungeon to run 700+ times? And games with an "end game", grind, leveling up, that are online and multiplayer def fall under mmo tropes and fit that moniker.
@@Beltyra Much more than 700 times yes. Lineage 2 is notorious for having the heaviest engame grind in MMO history.
@@N0rdW1nd but did it have that grind only from 1 singular 40 minute dungeon run on repeat 700 times and called it an expansion?
Pyro feels horrible now they were already hard to play without perfect gear now i think I'll just stick with my trickster
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I'm done with this game after the last 2 patches nerfed my will to play. sick of being forced to be a fp build 😒.
I have an eruption build and I would always do at least like 500 to a billion more damage then my buddy who plays dev after the patch I did a billion and 500 million less damage then him
Im really disappointed i FINALLY got the marshal boots to drop, FINALLY got the Despair mod a couple weeks ago. Then the nerf. But it was VERY satisfying while it lasted.
Yea, these buffs & bug fixes are cool & all, but when're they gonna add a Loadout system?
Good vid i learned alot thanks
I like the patch, as a AP Techno main the game was waaay to easy. Now it takes longer to run Trials and the enemy seems way tougher.
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The despair mod change was a heavy blow for me, I had to switch it out for thunders legacy. As for pyro, I was going away from the eruption build when this happened and I’ll just say eruption now is watered down trash. The qol changes are nice I’ll give them that but I wish instead of working on nerfing things they would work on the net code and connection issues. They are not as bad as they were but I still get some yellow triangles on some matches I play. A dedicated server would fix this. Anyways, good video my guy, hope to catch your next stream on twitch.
Just use arsonist and keep everything off cool down pretty much all the time eruption is still nasty
@@dunkindognuts3345 I switched to heat seeker set and I’m in shock how fun it is.
@@Scooterdrew1 cool have fun man
they fixed things, whoop!, But the Grind of the A tier is still a ball ache, i really cant bring myself to play because of it, i like the the game style and the art in outriders, i really think they should make old expeditions be the exp grind for ap tiering if they do not want loot to drop there, but it does need some spicing up removed non skipable cutscenes extra, they did a lot of work on it, be ashame to see it go to waste.
I’m by no means a outriders god but I just built a lava lich eruption build and I’m smashing bosses at my apoc tier I was playing yesterday and today- tier 22 & 23.
I love playing pyro and am just getting back into outriders but intense grind has me not wanting to touch other classes… hope that just tuned further
What skills is in your build mate?
@@williambarr7408 Eruption, Ash Blast, Overheat. I’ve 3 lava lich pieces and boost AP wherever possible. Eruption is where the most damage by far. I run 3 eruptions and get massive damage on the 3rd eruption with a few stacking AP perks. The biggest boost is from the pax tree perk “trigger sequence” if you’re stacking the overheat and eruptions plus debuffing them a bit with ash blast
Do I need to buy Worldslayer to take advantage of Apoc levels?
this patch killed boosting ap via resistance piercing for me
Same for everyone.
I had no luck getting new gear for my pryo i got two of the lich pieces and one reforged but rest of mine is blue and purples at gear level 58 .
buzz you got me daying man 😂🤣
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I am beginning to think that Seismic Commanders Chest armor APOC, does not exist. Has anyone see it?
i think whats going to kill the game is the fact that they replyed to a reddit user that their hands are tied when it comes to stash..if that is the case ...how in the world are you going to introduce more dlc or armor or weapons or anything if you cant make more space for items and gear..etc...it sucks cause i love this game i probably have more hrs on this than anyone...no bragging ...lol
You’re the man
Thanks 🙂
Had better game performance and more fun playing the demo than the actual game. Sunk about 80 hours into the full release and it was an uphill battle the entire time. Constant crashing, barely holding over 40-50 fps with DLSS allegedly helping out. Shame really. The build diversity and originality of the exotics were sublime.
They can make all the changes they want, but the actual gaming experience is the worst it's ever been because of the useless apoc tier grind of the last 10 or more tiers. It's the most boring game design I've ever played. Run the same 7 or 8 rooms for a couple thousand times to get to max apoc tier so it will be possible to start the real fun part of the game at max level. And then start all over again on a different class. I've been playing consistently since the first beta and this one horrible design choice makes this the worst the game has been. I don't understand how they have their heel dug in on this one, refusing to change it. It's like they don't even play the game
As a pyro main, the nerfs hit me seriously hard. I essentially went from doing 100mil every 6 seconds to doing 70 mil every 8 seconds. My build is nowhere near perfect, so i'm going to need serious good luck on my apoc mods to continue farming on AT40.
Is it just me or does " Embalmers Rage" seem like it has been shadowed nerf.
I'm pretty sure "snapshotting" twisted rounds doesn't work the same.
They have basically forced use to focus on building only one character for 80+ hours and it's just too much for me. I'd like to build all 4 characters and test the different builds but this is too much time. I am just sticking with Technomancer because of this.
B4 worldslayer I got to make great builds, now it's just to much, I want to play right now, but when I log on, I'm In middile of a run, I just want to log off
I would agree that they’re trying to pull away from anomaly builds and trying to kickstart firepower builds across the board, but I simply won’t even consider touching FP builds because consistently landing headshots on console is nearly impossible with the frame rate drops and the aim assist automatically targeting the stomach of every enemy. For me, it’s an unbearable play style that hinders your dps, survivability, and fun. If the aim assist portion was changed to actually automatically target enemies heads instead, it would be a very enticing option to switch over to and actually be able to play with and do well. However since that’s far from the case, long as I’m on console (and no, I’m not switching for anything) I’m not touching an FP build.
You know personally I feel like they should just make everything do 100 bill damage
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Okriel wipe glitch still here
Wow thought I was the only one who was gonna say it!!!!
I seriously gave this game many opportunities, tried different sets for Trikster but I finally give up.
I won't be playing this game anymore .
It's feels like, for the DLC, they went out if their way to make the game trash.
Keep getting the SAME GEAR with THE SAME USELESS MODS that don't help my builds.
They could release 100 patches like this and it still doesn't address the content drought. People have been running expeditions for months, trying to make them barely viable wont address the core issue.
I love the new update but if we are in a party , or kick out from a party the pc cashring , i am happy i can play the game on steam but in party its to ba a bad thing , i hope the Team can fix the .
My Deva isn't top end, so most of these changes haven't hit me. And as nice as Apoc gear is. with that third slot 90% of the ones I get are useless. Oh joy, I get extra damage when something is on fire... Except this shotty or BMG don't do fire. Or extra damage on Ashed, or Toxified... But I'm a DEVASTATOR, not a pansy chemist or squishy firebug.