First of all Lyric's shouldn't be on an ebike with that amount of travel. However as most ebike users are in their 50s and don't always know the ins and outs of suspension set up this system cant be faulted.
AXS battery for Reverb, AXS battery for derailleur, AXS battery for shock, AXS battery for fork, battery in cranks, coin batteries in shifter/levers, massive battery in bike. It's getting a bit much. There needs to be a wiring standard and a way to run this stuff from the main battery so we never have to worry about charging peripherals.
That's a great point to make! Although AXS is game-changing, it would be more convenient if it ran off one battery. Perhaps on e-bikes, this is an easy fix. It's still new technology, so it'll be interesting to see where the development of the AXS products goes. 👍
@@embn I'm actually wondering if the XTR Di2 when it finally comes out will be able to plug into the EP8/battery for power given that Shimano's road 12-speed still relies on an internal battery. I wonder if this is planned on the assumption that ebikes will be the future so designing their electronic shifting to be wired to an internal battery may be the long game.
I currently ride the new Giant Trance E Advanced with the Fox live valve system. It is a nice gimmick, but the minuscule benefits do not justify the cost. On the Fox system you only have closed and opened. It would be more interesting if the system would fully regulate the compression over the whole spectrum of available dampening instead of open/(pedal)/closed. I would definitely not choose a bike only for its electronic suspension or buy it aftermarket.
Cool tech...looks like it ACTUALLY works w/out too much hassle. If given to me sure.😁 And great for max efficiency on an analog bike if you got the cash...but for the E-mtb? Way less needed. The less complex my E-rig, the better. It can already be a challenge when my E-beast is throwing up error codes...so one less digital feature that avoids bugs? Plus, I'll have more 💸 for the stouts and IPA post-ride IMHO🍻
I love these videos. These rockshox are incredible. I live vicariously through these videos so I can go out and bounce around on my basic shocks imagining I'm on such a cool bike. Great work guys keep them coming! Love your work Rockshox
I never ride a rear shock in anything other than open mode, especially on an ebike. Pedal efficiency isn’t an issue at all. Flight attendant might work but it’s absolutely unnecessary and just like fox live valve, it will have a short life….
Agreed! I chose the EXT Arma over their Storia for my Turbo Levo because I never used the levers on the original shock or fork. My regular ride includes a total of about 670 m (2200 feet) of climbing according to my Garmin, including a stretch of rutted 25%. I never noticed enough difference with the original shock and fork locked to bother with it. Maybe if you're a racer who is concerned with shaving off seconds?
Seeing this from a heavy bike perspective.. ebike.. it has its pre-set sag and calibrations and it actively suspences. If your looking for a care free ride this is a great shock. This is like the best "leave it be" self adjusting suspension you can get other then a high end car.
No amount of tech or shock set up will give you riding skills..something else to go wrong at a big expense i do not desire..great tech but as always its about the riding.
Where does the power come from, more batteries? Charge the bike, charge the Di11, charge the bike computer, charge your watch, charge the Go Pro, charge the suspension. Kiss, just ride.
I love embn and gbn, but wish you could provide impartial and honest reviews. This is just another paid advert pitch for Rockshox. I would provided you compared to competitor and stated the ‘good and bad’!
Noticed these systems now available cheap"er" now on 2022 bikes... comparable to the prices of non-tricked out models... trouble is.. if this kit fails how much would it be to repair/replace? and could you ditch the front or rear shock for analogue if there is a failure and will the rest of the system function?
Had to smile at this... so basically an electronic implementation of the Scott twinloc system (which by the way i loved when i had my scott non ebikes. So comparison is extra cable and lever on the bars and using your thumb to select locked, traction and open which less face it you dont swap between that often and rarely need to do it that quickly vs battery, electronic box, tech and auto changes the same suspension from locked, pedal and open and the price difference is???? No thanks 😉
I have an older ransom. I never lock it out. I have been building dh bikes for 25 years. I have a system that locks one if the two rear shocks when you peddle. It works awesome. I hide it and have forever. It has 10.75 travel. I really dont want to get into all that. Ive already made my way with 200 patents in magnet industrial couplings. Im done. But i just set up cnc shop to produce dh ebikes. No need for my lockout system in that. I bought that Scott because it was somewhat similar to my designs. I just dont want to get into racing at all. Im 50 now. Ebikes are the way to go. Its a blast. My bikes have 10" travel. Billet beauties. Been doing it for 25+ years. Once i saw pole was doing it i decided to go for it. Im keeping it low key. If i make a few frames a week im happy . Cheers!
My buddy just spent $10K on the Giant Trance with Fox LiveValve. First off, Fox used the 36 fork, rather than the 38, on a 56 pound ebike. Secondly, the fork does not work as advertised. The suspension is the most wallowy, bobbing system I've ever seen. Every techy climb is now an exercise in using a pogo stick. His conversion to e-forks & shocks has definitely confirmed that I'm not on board with the tech just yet. I'm certain that auto shifting and auto suspension will be prime time one day, just not this day. He bought into the hype because he could never get his suspension set up correctly. Or, truth be told, he never bothered to take a day, and set it up properly. Currently I run a Fox 38. It took me a little while to dial it in. But now everything I ride feels like butter. And everything is predictable.
Hit the nail on the head.. he couldn't be bothered setting it up.. these systems won't fix lack of proper initial setup either. I find it weird how people are prepared to spend lots on the best suspension, brakes etc then expect it to all be automatic with no learning or manual setup?
Can you use a shockwiz to set up your suspension stiil? I'm guessing you have to do that first then fire up the flight attendant when your dialled. Is there still adjustable rebound and compression ?
I have the same bike but don’t have that experience at all. Mine grips and climbs like a cat up 20%+ grades. I’d say its setup related. EMBN rode the same bike and raved about it (another data point). I do think you shouldn’t get a bike because of it. The bike is like an ATV that just eats up bumps (I’ve had friends ride my bike). I did however, not pay retail and got mine for a steal.
That was quite unnerving to watch as you dropped into the rough single-track, I'm not sure I could trust it to unlock the suspension. I'd definitely be looking down at the indicator LEDs to make sure each time 🤔
@@nobody617 you obviously have more insight than me. But I simply do not believe that brands, but especially specialised, aren't exploiting the current world state and jacking their prices up. Top end emtbs are more expensive than some of the world's best enduro motox bikes. That is unjustifiable.
@@nobody617 "normal" mass produced alloy frames are often made in Taiwan in automated production lines. I assume you produce your frames custom built in hand labor, is it really a difference to produce in working hours per frame compared to a normal frame with a standard bottom bracket?
@@nobody617 yeah, since carbon frames can't be produced in automated production lines they are often made in China, while standard size alloy or steel frames can be made mainly automated, for example by Giant in Taiwan. I guess as a smaller frame builder you will be more flexible and can make custom made frame sizes and shapes the others can not make.
Nahaa too many batteries to handle, live valve or smart shocks should be feed up from the battery motor. So that is adapted, but not integrated to an ebike acc.
“No faff involved”, “stop to change your suspension setting”!? Nonsense! it takes a second to alter your suspension manually on the move and it doesn’t cost a fortune for the privilege either. This is an expensive gimmick, nah!
Does any one actually ever really lock their suspension on a ride? It’s literally never crossed my mind. Just seems like another thing to break which will be expensive to fix
I ride a simpler non electric hardtail, but I usually lock the suspension fork on asphalt (Suntour remote lockout by cable). It rides recognizable more efficient on smooth surfaces without the movements of the fork, since the pedaling also leads to movements which consume energy.
Lol , set up sag like normal and set up rebound like normal . Please pay an extra £2k now 😂😂😂 Seriously you don’t need anything else if you can get your sag and rebound set
What do you think of the Rockshox Flight Attendant system? Share your thoughts with the EMBN community down below! 👇
First of all Lyric's shouldn't be on an ebike with that amount of travel. However as most ebike users are in their 50s and don't always know the ins and outs of suspension set up this system cant be faulted.
AXS battery for Reverb, AXS battery for derailleur, AXS battery for shock, AXS battery for fork, battery in cranks, coin batteries in shifter/levers, massive battery in bike. It's getting a bit much. There needs to be a wiring standard and a way to run this stuff from the main battery so we never have to worry about charging peripherals.
That's a great point to make! Although AXS is game-changing, it would be more convenient if it ran off one battery. Perhaps on e-bikes, this is an easy fix. It's still new technology, so it'll be interesting to see where the development of the AXS products goes. 👍
@@embn I'm actually wondering if the XTR Di2 when it finally comes out will be able to plug into the EP8/battery for power given that Shimano's road 12-speed still relies on an internal battery. I wonder if this is planned on the assumption that ebikes will be the future so designing their electronic shifting to be wired to an internal battery may be the long game.
Coming soon.. built in alternator . 🤣
I currently ride the new Giant Trance E Advanced with the Fox live valve system. It is a nice gimmick, but the minuscule benefits do not justify the cost. On the Fox system you only have closed and opened. It would be more interesting if the system would fully regulate the compression over the whole spectrum of available dampening instead of open/(pedal)/closed. I would definitely not choose a bike only for its electronic suspension or buy it aftermarket.
Cool tech...looks like it ACTUALLY works w/out too much hassle. If given to me sure.😁 And great for max efficiency on an analog bike if you got the cash...but for the E-mtb? Way less needed. The less complex my E-rig, the better. It can already be a challenge when my E-beast is throwing up error codes...so one less digital feature that avoids bugs? Plus, I'll have more 💸 for the stouts and IPA post-ride IMHO🍻
I love these videos. These rockshox are incredible. I live vicariously through these videos so I can go out and bounce around on my basic shocks imagining I'm on such a cool bike. Great work guys keep them coming! Love your work Rockshox
I never ride a rear shock in anything other than open mode, especially on an ebike. Pedal efficiency isn’t an issue at all. Flight attendant might work but it’s absolutely unnecessary and just like fox live valve, it will have a short life….
Agreed! I chose the EXT Arma over their Storia for my Turbo Levo because I never used the levers on the original shock or fork. My regular ride includes a total of about 670 m (2200 feet) of climbing according to my Garmin, including a stretch of rutted 25%. I never noticed enough difference with the original shock and fork locked to bother with it. Maybe if you're a racer who is concerned with shaving off seconds?
I use mine all the time. Love it. Makes a big difference on the flat. Otherwise you’re just wasting energy. All that bouncing up and down.
Seeing this from a heavy bike perspective.. ebike.. it has its pre-set sag and calibrations and it actively suspences. If your looking for a care free ride this is a great shock. This is like the best "leave it be" self adjusting suspension you can get other then a high end car.
Had lockout on suspension for years, never used it, and never suffered from not using it :)
Definitely an improvement. Nice for cool ride. But not confortable on race mode. How to predict the bike reaction on different situations?
“Clueless riding after many nights of hospitality…” 😂😂 Good one!
Do notice a different on my bike fitted with live valve. Never forget to unlock now 😆
I want one of these forks so much
Same here! They're packed with some much interesting tech!
No amount of tech or shock set up will give you riding skills..something else to go wrong at a big expense i do not desire..great tech but as always its about the riding.
Where does the power come from, more batteries? Charge the bike, charge the Di11, charge the bike computer, charge your watch, charge the Go Pro, charge the suspension. Kiss, just ride.
This system is amazing! It appears simple to set up and use. My question is...at what cost? Bob T.
for someone like me who's not very clued in about suspension setting it's perfect 👌
Yeah, it can offer so much great assistance with recommendations. 👍
@@embn yes for sure 👌
Front Break on the right side...
Nope, on the wrong side...
@@PeterPan-gy6kq 😂👍🏿
Works for me! British Moto style.
I love embn and gbn, but wish you could provide impartial and honest reviews.
This is just another paid advert pitch for Rockshox. I would provided you compared to competitor and stated the ‘good and bad’!
Noticed these systems now available cheap"er" now on 2022 bikes... comparable to the prices of non-tricked out models... trouble is.. if this kit fails how much would it be to repair/replace? and could you ditch the front or rear shock for analogue if there is a failure and will the rest of the system function?
Will there be a controller for the cockpit where I can choose to lock or open the suspension wirelessly?
Had to smile at this... so basically an electronic implementation of the Scott twinloc system (which by the way i loved when i had my scott non ebikes. So comparison is extra cable and lever on the bars and using your thumb to select locked, traction and open which less face it you dont swap between that often and rarely need to do it that quickly vs battery, electronic box, tech and auto changes the same suspension from locked, pedal and open and the price difference is???? No thanks 😉
I have an older ransom. I never lock it out.
I have been building dh bikes for 25 years. I have a system that locks one if the two rear shocks when you peddle. It works awesome. I hide it and have forever. It has 10.75 travel. I really dont want to get into all that. Ive already made my way with 200 patents in magnet industrial couplings. Im done. But i just set up cnc shop to produce dh ebikes. No need for my lockout system in that. I bought that Scott because it was somewhat similar to my designs. I just dont want to get into racing at all. Im 50 now. Ebikes are the way to go. Its a blast. My bikes have 10" travel. Billet beauties. Been doing it for 25+ years. Once i saw pole was doing it i decided to go for it. Im keeping it low key. If i make a few frames a week im happy .
Cheers!
if on a pedal´ish trail and a jump comes on the trail with no downhill before it, will it open the suspension before landing?
My buddy just spent $10K on the Giant Trance with Fox LiveValve. First off, Fox used the 36 fork, rather than the 38, on a 56 pound ebike. Secondly, the fork does not work as advertised. The suspension is the most wallowy, bobbing system I've ever seen. Every techy climb is now an exercise in using a pogo stick. His conversion to e-forks & shocks has definitely confirmed that I'm not on board with the tech just yet. I'm certain that auto shifting and auto suspension will be prime time one day, just not this day.
He bought into the hype because he could never get his suspension set up correctly. Or, truth be told, he never bothered to take a day, and set it up properly.
Currently I run a Fox 38. It took me a little while to dial it in. But now everything I ride feels like butter. And everything is predictable.
Have you considered that RockShox might be world's apart from the Fox system?
Hit the nail on the head.. he couldn't be bothered setting it up.. these systems won't fix lack of proper initial setup either. I find it weird how people are prepared to spend lots on the best suspension, brakes etc then expect it to all be automatic with no learning or manual setup?
@@derekharper6031 Too true.
I still think accelerometers and gyroscopes for the motors would be more beneficial, and less costly.
What happens if you are rolling on smooth tarmac and you hit a hole ?
I'm confused...is there any faff involved or not?🤔😏
Does it fit any shock brand?
Can you use a shockwiz to set up your suspension stiil? I'm guessing you have to do that first then fire up the flight attendant when your dialled. Is there still adjustable rebound and compression ?
Rebound is adjustable like normal Lyrik and LSC is set via SRAM App (0-10)
I have the same bike but don’t have that experience at all. Mine grips and climbs like a cat up 20%+ grades. I’d say its setup related. EMBN rode the same bike and raved about it (another data point). I do think you shouldn’t get a bike because of it. The bike is like an ATV that just eats up bumps (I’ve had friends ride my bike). I did however, not pay retail and got mine for a steal.
That was quite unnerving to watch as you dropped into the rough single-track, I'm not sure I could trust it to unlock the suspension. I'd definitely be looking down at the indicator LEDs to make sure each time 🤔
It's a quite reliable tech to use, but that can always be a thought in the back of your mind if you're not used to it! 😅
Would be amazing if the whole industry wasn't predatory and exploiting the fact they can charge 40% too much for the bike and tech at the moment.
@@nobody617 you obviously have more insight than me. But I simply do not believe that brands, but especially specialised, aren't exploiting the current world state and jacking their prices up. Top end emtbs are more expensive than some of the world's best enduro motox bikes. That is unjustifiable.
@@nobody617 "normal" mass produced alloy frames are often made in Taiwan in automated production lines.
I assume you produce your frames custom built in hand labor, is it really a difference to produce in working hours per frame compared to a normal frame with a standard bottom bracket?
@@nobody617 yeah, since carbon frames can't be produced in automated production lines they are often made in China, while standard size alloy or steel frames can be made mainly automated, for example by Giant in Taiwan.
I guess as a smaller frame builder you will be more flexible and can make custom made frame sizes and shapes the others can not make.
Does pedaling efficiency really matter on an ebike?
not unless you are doing a long distance eblike race
@@chriswiles87 of course. Racing i suppose. Barely. Trying to squeeze as much energy out as possible.
Yeah, it only really matters on those long days out where you need every percentage of your battery. 👍
So, now we get $20K e-bikes??? Yikes!
Nahaa too many batteries to handle, live valve or smart shocks should be feed up from the battery motor. So that is adapted, but not integrated to an ebike acc.
“No faff involved”, “stop to change your suspension setting”!? Nonsense! it takes a second to alter your suspension manually on the move and it doesn’t cost a fortune for the privilege either. This is an expensive gimmick, nah!
Does any one actually ever really lock their suspension on a ride? It’s literally never crossed my mind. Just seems like another thing to break which will be expensive to fix
I ride a simpler non electric hardtail, but I usually lock the suspension fork on asphalt (Suntour remote lockout by cable). It rides recognizable more efficient on smooth surfaces without the movements of the fork, since the pedaling also leads to movements which consume energy.
Great system, but not worth the moneyx
Answer : Nope. I mean..., how much🤑? 🤨✌🏾
I suspect if you have to ask, you can't afford it 😁
Voice activation?
Lol , set up sag like normal and set up rebound like normal . Please pay an extra £2k now 😂😂😂
Seriously you don’t need anything else if you can get your sag and rebound set
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