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Tenpai in master duel will be a nightmare I can already feel it.
id rather play vs tenpai than fire decks tbh
Tenpai and BO1 is indeed gonna be a nightmare.
@@shadowboy2417 be ready to play against tenpai and fire
@@shadowboy2417 tenpai is another fire deck lol
@@MVAS-mp9oomikanko is just plain better than Tenpai in a best of one because mikanko has Armored XYZ plays so a better turn one than Tenpai
As an OCG player, I have some thoughts about this data.
Regarding Tenpai: I think it tends to top a lot due to three main reasons
1) Representation - Tenpai is an extremely popular deck and in most tournaments, it will have top 2 representation. Part of it has to do with price as it's a very inexpensive deck, while decks like Yubel are extremely expensive as a playset of fusions can buy you 6 Tenpai decks alone. The other reason is that it's extremely easy to play, so if you go to locals, most players will own a Tenpai deck. So even if some Tenpai players lose to people who prep, it only takes a couple who have lucky runs where opponents don't see their side or they draw the perfect hand traps to have a high % of tops. My city's last large tournament had only 5% of Tenpai players convert, but it was the most topping deck.
2) Meta - Part of the issue is the most efficient strategy against Snake-Eyes being to hit it with hand traps early, but the other issue is Maxx C. Decks at the moment are largely not very good into Maxx C. Voiceless and Yubel are kinda good into Maxx C, but generally even the top decks are all pretty bad into Maxx C. So the solution is to just play a ton of hand traps and get them to pass back to you if you can't resolve your combo. And since this is a popular strategy then decks like Tenpai that are not weak to most hand traps tend to do better. Also, other one-card starters that are splashable like the Demonsmith stuff also encourage more hand traps.
3) Game 1. It's hard to explain how favored a deck is in 2/3 if it has a really strong game 1. But Tenpai wins a lot of game 1s, and that means even if the post-board matchup is good for you, it's difficult to win both games 2 and 3 because you can't always access your side. This last reason doesn't really explain why results are worse in the TCG though. I truly believe Maxx C is one of the main reasons.
To an extent, I do agree. I personally prep for Tenpai and have a very good winrate vs the deck, but most people in my city don't seem to be siding for it in their lists, and a lot of people complain about Tenpai. It has a very powerful perception in the OCG compared to the TCG. Part of it might be a lack of preparation, but I think the reasons above explain it best.
Regarding the Demonsmith engine:
The current OCG format is my least favorite format since I started playing with POTE. Beatrice absolutely has to be banned in the OCG next banlist. The article talked about some ways Beatrice causes some weird things to happen with the Blue Tears of an Angel card, but the exact non-games it enables aren't fleshed out. Some ways I've been getting FTK'd at my locals is Beatrice sends the Tears card in Snake-Eyes and it banishes to set Harpie's Feather Storm. Then they just use two bodies to make an Ensemblue Robin. Another example is Lab. Lab players playing the Demonsmith package send Transaction Rollback on their turn then send the Mayakashi trap in my draw phase.
I don't actually think it's that necessary to play the way a lot of my friends think because the Demonsmith package is massive (6-7 main, 5-6 extra deck + 2 more bricks, if they side an FTK line going first, and depending on Deck, is weak to certain hand traps like droll and crow), but it is supposed to eat hand traps so the actual starters can resolve, and you have no choice but the hand trap the Demonsmith stuff if you don't want to get FTK'd. This means that the Demonsmith stuff is worse going second because you replace non-engine, but better going first. However, it's so strong going first that it just kinda devolves the game into the coin toss.
Tl;Dr: Yugi business as usual. 😂😂😂
I feel like your thoughts on fiendsmith segment is just the nature of cards like Transaction Rollback and Beatrice. Banning only Beatrice would mean that the advantage gained by sending Rollback and Tears have real value and it would devolve into the "wheel of hits" like with all the Tuners and Halq until Rollback and Tears gets the hammer. Banning Rollback and Tears would balance that but then Beatrice would prolly find another payoff.
Isn't the fiendsmith engine in the way you described it also a counter to Tenpai? If your handtraps don't do much against them anyways, might as well try to ftk them?
@@UncleJrueForTue I haven't really thought too much about it, but I do agree with the general idea since I don't think banning Puppet would be better than just banning Expulsion. Problematic cards like Beatrice imo are just better off banned than banning each individual lock because they can just be replaced. I also think cards like Transaction Rollback are generally good for the game and it's just Beatrice that is a problem. But also since Branded Expulsion still isn't banned, IDK if Beatrice is getting banned in July even though everyone at my locals wants her banned since our locals post INFO has just devolved into FTK simulator.
@@skuamato7886 The Demonsmith stuff makes going first stronger, so in a way, it probably is. I don't really play Tenpai often, so I'm not 100% sure, but it also just gets stopped by a hand trap. Tenpai will never let the FTK resolve. It's just supposed to eat the hand traps so you can make actual interaction that Tenpai won't have enough hand traps to cover.
"TODAY I LEARNED ABOUT RUNICK TENPAI" - Coming soon to a Josh channel near you
The pinnacle of synergy, skipping your battle phase in the otk deck. A match made in hell indeed
@@beegyoshi1685you can't skip the bp you are already in ,lol
Game 1 plays runick game 2 otk then profit
@@JorgeLuiz487 literally what I’ve been doing with Tenpai! I blind second, then calamity lock my opponent with Centurion in game 2/3, I got so much free disgusting wins lol
@@FaithYGOTenpai is a blind second deck in the first place Lmao.
So Tenpai is now going through the same back and forth that Branded did back when it released? Where it will see a bunch of tops one week, people side against it, it doesn't get represented, people ignore it, and it tops again.
Mystic mine moment
@@createrz8433 Ok guys, but with all due respect. How are you not prepared for tenpai at this point. It’s a little ridiculous to not have a well thought out plan when entering a tournament.
That is what we call OCG deck building: building to not lose...
this was their moment, the only thing they HAD to do was to deck build to not lose to tempai
I also thought OCG players tended to build not to lose until I came to the OCG.
The issue is that OCG has far more casuals than TCG, and this is good in many ways because it means they can print lower rarities and not have stores shut down, but it also means that Konami is afraid of losing their playerbase to one of the many other card games. If they ban Block Dragon, then they are afraid the Adamancipator pet deckers will just quit and play One Piece. That's why they have so many consistency hits and rarely kill decks, but that's also why they left so many ridiculous things legal. So if you don't build in this exact way (Close to 40, Maxx C stops + Many Hand Traps for the FTK decks), then you will just lose many more games.
Assuming 40 cards, a Maxx C being opened by either player or both is ~56% of games. So when you play a match, you will see Maxx C. This is not considering that Maxx C favors the player going first because of deck thining and then potential draws. This means that you might as well play both Crossout and Called By to increase the number of games you can play, especially because there are so many hand traps, and both Crossout and Called By have additional utility by hitting other hand traps. There's just no other way you can build. You're not going to win consistently with more engine - which is tragic because the current way decks are built leads to lower skill expression imo.
@@SunnyYGOSo they're scared that some casuals will leave so they leave degenerate cards legal. Yikes.
They gotta do better
@BlackBeartic229 The whole point of leaving to play One Piece is to escape _from_ degeneracy _to_ slow and interactive games, what are they smoking? Are they stupid?
This is playing to lose.They are ignoring Tenpai when it's been the second most represent deck since it released....
Ocg caught slacking
I recently found a lab list that had a 15 card lab package with a ton of handtraps, and the entire side was the tenpai package so you could switch between tenpai and lab, its fun to watch the opponents choose first and then activate Sangen Summoning or such
tenpai gets points from people having the entire core in the side deck and switching the whole deck mid round after winning r1 and opponent going first r2 🗿
Hell yeah, that’s rad. Big brain time.
Smokescreen Lab, or Centur-Ion
@@SmashingPapaya i personally prefer centurion, only 15 labrynth cards doesnt feel enough for me, and also his board somethimes could be just two pops and follow up, contrary to centurion that is a turn skip turbo.
Also with centurion and tenpai you have the option to run shifter, and that is an insta win vs most meta decks, voiceless is the only that can somewhat play around it, and kashtira if you count it as a meta deck
That's pretty cool ngl
@@DR-fw9ic It's the other way around.
The idea isn't to have Tenpai siding a deck, but to side Tenpai INTO a deck. Centur-ION obviously is better at that than Lab, but 15 cards is all tenpai needs.
friendly reminder these are the players that brought Spright Purrely to Worlds and thought they were cooking
Tenpai giving me ocg tear flashbacks
If you look at the side decks of the older list you can see they were more prepped for tempai than in the newer one
Yup
And when they do that they got screwed by Snake Eyes variant lol
Josh on his Van Zieks arc.
He hates the Nipponese 🗿
@@Honest_Mids_Mashersomething something German guy everyone hates
5:55 coming from someone called tenpaiadvocate lmao
And the OCG has Maxx C so it really helps the deck out by drawing more into hand traps.
Lol this is gold
Something I've noticed about pure White Woods is it is impossible to end with Fiendess if you can't normal summon Asteria. So it would be nice if they gave it a Trisukta that special summons non-tuner lv.2s instead so if you normal summon Silve and use Risettes' effect you can still end on Fiendess and Woes. They also need at least 1 more 1 card starter. Astoria and Rissette(If they got their own version of Trisukta) would probably be enough if they got a 1 card starter. If they do get a 1 card starter it would be nice if it was a continuous spell or field spell that gave you a extra normal summon. The normal summon would let you normal summon Silve, add Legend, Legend add Asteria, and normal summon Asteria. The obvious benefit of it being a extra normal summon is that its immune to certain effects in the game. In addition to all of this it would be nice if it could be set after sending it to grave like other spell/trap cards in the archetype. What I like about White Woods the most is how surprisingly consistent it is despite not having real 1 card combos. This deck wants Forbidden Droplet and Impermanence being a trap is a huge plus to. It feels like as long as you can end on Fiendess. Woes, and a hand trap or Forbidden Droplet its enough because you can board wipe with Red D. Archfiend. It won't beat a unaffected monster but its good enough to beat everything else. You have to consider that White Woods can make Dweller so those recursion effects won't necessarily work.
Just a reminder that simul archfiends is searchable as long you can send archfiend heiress with a card effect
Decks with an "Ignorance" mechanic are always terrifying. That's usually a sign they're meant to OTK or wipe a board and potentially end a game hyper fast no matter what the opponent's on.
I don't think people are "ignorant" on how it works, but the ways they're trying to beat it are too inconsistent at the moment, and they're too scared of rewiring their game plan(aside from some lazy side deck options that don't do enough to other decks) to handle their Battle Phase specific shenanigans since commiting too far into that is going to get you clobbered by more "conventional" summon spam tactics like what Snake-Eye utilizes. If the hand traps are the problem, deal with THOSE. If you have a Extra Deck as flexible as Snake-Eye you have no excuse to be losing to this stuff.
Most people have an extra deck option available to them that can either negate/prevent attacks or cut off battle damage. Rank 1s and 4s are the most obvious examples, though some high investment Synchros can also do this(as well as things like Golden Swordsoul that can be activated from hand to do this while still having utility in other areas). Those options won't make the deck EASY to beat, but at least can give you a fighting chance without having to always rely on bricky side deck cards that can just get thwarted before they do anything and that rarely prevent offramps or deal with the hand traps that leave your board vulnerable to their shenaingans.
Still kinda weird they play cards like kuriphoton that can be exploited by called-by but cards like fader, psy-frame beta and even more broader things like simul are ignored.
I genuinely Wonder how tenpai play through beta. Isnt it over for them if beta resolve ? Not to mention that it doesnt take handtraps aside from ash, and still, it is not once per turn
anything that has to be used in the battle phase is a no go against tenpai (they have a lv 10 that says you don't exist during the bp ,they can even go into a random odd-eyes with a simillar effect for flex points)
@@some2043 oh okay thanks for the clarification, I didnt look in details at their endboard so I thought they were mainly protected during the mainphase
@@some2043 If they open enough engine to do that through whatever you're doing, like you know these cards aren't just 'oh they opened magnamut, level 4, field spell, called by/crossout and the ability to play in your BP with the quick play Vs your 1 card in handdoing this and zero board'
Psy frame beta can be Belle'd and Ashed, and Tenpai can make the odd eyes dragon tu shutdown effects in the battle phase
Every alternative has its counters
10 pie.
Your girl will love it.
Yeah, very much enough to otk Lmao.
Everytime I see beatrice I ask myself why this card is still legal.
Who needs rollback to copy a trap if you can just detach 1 little burn guy to get a free trap while also keeping a mat on beatrice for next turn?
Beatrice is definitely going to die because of the fiendsmith cards
Beatrice should have been banned years ago but here we are
Because using it twice is funny.
I have been a memento fan for a while and let me tell you Sir, it is super fun. Just a heads up most of the destruction is NON targeting which makes the deck A LOT better then people think when they first interact with the deck. It has A handtrap dodge built into the engine and can win without the extra deck as well. Its a super cool deck. Enjoy
8:51 You can draw and use it off Maxx "C", cannot do that with Threatening Roar.
I love the dynamics this represents because if people start main decking the r1 xyz and go to it when opp gives you first, you can start playing a mind game where you intentionally do that so your opp makes a suboptimal board and win pushing through that
With all due respect, how are they not prepared for this yet
Because it's a neat 15 card core that can just be side deck in and out.
That's it.
You prepare for this, you lose to something else.
Your flipping a coin.
Tbf their YCS’s are one round tournaments, we consistently side deck tremendously better than the OCG does.
Not surprised at all...deck is insane!!
Beatrice definitely cant exist in a fiend smith legal format
Kuriphoton protects you from gimmick ftk since their field blocks most things
Angel of Blue Tears might be a spicy tech in Josh's paleo deck! All it needs are some enablers to reliably trigger effect damage for the search.
I'm thinking of Vaalmonica since the negligible self-ping literally procs your engine. 😂
Destruction of destiny :D
I don't understand how there isn't at least droplets floating around. In TCG forbidden droplets and book of eclipse in the main deck is becoming more and more popular to block tenpai in the bp. In the side Daruma cannon/d barrier is also seeing more play.
True, that is the whole point of the video, though historically speaking OCG really does not like to make huge jumps in the side deck. They tend to run cards against like all the meta decks and not laser focuson the best deck.
smartest snake eye players
It's interesting how cards like Tenpai and Mistic mine have predator/prey qualities to them. They almost measure the health of a format and keep other strategies in check.
Honestly, I'm looking forward to the best deck being a going second deck.
I love how offended Josh is by OCG's refusal to respect Tenpai lmao
The deck is more affordable and it’s new.
Hi Joshua, I think a runick - dogmatika ritual could be really fun. Messing with the opponents deck an extra deck maybe can work together
Have we tried them with runnicks?
I play Memento Horus right now. I also use PK Horus and @Ignister. If I had a larger budget I would probably use other decks too.
A deck that’s almost 50 percent hand traps is insane
this might be the influence of max c
what do you guys think about Red supernova against tenpai ?
Yubel only sees so much play because Tenpai is seeing so much play
Tenpai is seeing so much play because it outs the Snake-Eyes board by consistently FTKing them
its busted with fiendsmith
Seems like OCG is going through what I call the "Hearthstone effect" where players refuse to adapt to the meta because they think their deck will drop win rate. Or they tech one card like the Xyz monsters named here and think that's all they need because it worked in locals.
Kuriphoton shares will going stock!
Memento runicks when?
Can Tenpai even play/OTK through a Fucho, I don't think so but of course I'm not 100% sure?
Does Electromagnetic Turtle not just cook tenpai if I run it in Lightsworn or something?
The issue with Turtle is that it can only activate in the battle phase, and if the Tenpai player is able to make the level 10 that prevents you from playing during the battle phase before they end their main phase, the card is unusable.
What you want instead is Rise to Full Height. It's another solid pseudo-Battle Phase Ender if you mill it, as long as you have a monster available to target.
Paleo gnna go crazy vs tenpai
You’re not going to die against Tenpai if you play Waboku
Just Play Vaalmonica against Tenpai, the deck has basically the perfect interaction to stop them in their trap "Vaalmonica Followed Rhythm" which can be protected by their link 1 Zebufera
Tenpai doesn't care of maxx c but can play it and tenpai can play the colosseum as well
LOL you know Joshua has a bone to pick with the new mathmech deck
Waiting for Joshua to migrate to One Piece and build Runick Enel, every game is 100 turns or your money back!
God, I dislike playing against Tenpai so much. It is truly the king of all helmet decks.
Playing around the 1 of reboot by opting for kuriphoton only to lose to the 2 of called by? surely not
OCG side things in small increments. We are still scared of snake eyes because last banlist did absolutely nothing to that deck except kicking the diabellestar engine, guess what? FK swoops in to carry snake eyes.
And OCG rarely if ever put out a banlist to kill a deck immediately, the sting of MR4 is still felt since then. When MR4 pops out it killed a lot of decks immediately that a massive chunk of OCG players quit IMMEDIATELY. This is why they do things in small increments unlike the recent TCG banlist where it was a slaughter
What's crazy is how some TCG players do not believe this at all and say that MR4 decimating the OCG playerbase is a myth "because nobody else talks about it" or "other card games had profit drops during 2017, this is nothing special", or the usual "YCS attendances are hitting record numbers in 2017, Yugioh wasn't dying in MR4!"
@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 japanese players are not starved for choice for TCG (the genre, not banlist) and the price for cards are not that expensive (cue the cheap-ass price for pot of prosperity as an example) so if they quit YGO they can switch almost immediately with little money investment, this is why CG that are considered a flop in the west is still thriving in JP
I remember there was an argument about maxx c using this MR4 as debacle saying "if they survive MR4 surely they can survive a maxx c ban
@@hoshi314 While OCG players are split in 3 camps regarding Maxx C (like it, hate it, indifferent to it), an opinion I see among JP players is that banning Maxx C would result in a repeat of the MR4 disaster. It's silly how TCG players cling to the "OCG players hate Maxx C too!", but completely ignoring that 2/3 of the OCG playerbase are amicable towards it.
@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 exactly, sweeping changes brings sweeping consequences. While i disagree with how the OCG handles incremental hits (remember how long it takes for tear to die off?) i at least know there was a precedent behind it so it's not that huge of a fuss for me
@@hoshi314 While OCG banlist's incremental hits makes the meta rather long-lasting, and "stale", the benefit is that players can enjoy playing the top decks for a long period of time. They know that the meta will eventually shift and the meta deck of today will eventually be hit enough times that it won't be top anymore, but it builds confidence towards the card game better than the TCG way of every banlist being a chopping block to whatever the current meta deck is.
see, im in the camp that its more reliable to make a Fucho and potentiall side in 2/3 feather storm than it is to rely on hard drawing simul or d barrier ect.
EDIt: im playing Ogre and Cosmic too and all the handtraps, it probably helps a little
The issue is, if you prepare for tenpai, you lose to snake eye and other combo decks, if you prepare for snake eye you lose to tenpai
Dinomorphia is looking good rn
Just prepare for both 🤯
Unless you play traptrix Raika 😂 build to play against the meta and then just naturally wins against tenpai I'm like 7-1 against them IRL and online and I only lost the one time bc I bricked bad game 1 and then game 2 I let them go first just to see what happened and I dint pull any of the 10 board breakers I had sided
@@manyhatsentertainment8685Dinomorphia is pretty good
@@manyhatsentertainment8685Yeah, but then you have to be known as the Traptrix player...
@@lurrielee2755 lol yeah but I don't care about any of that lol ive only been playing Yu-Gi-Oh for a year and don't care about any of the inside jokes or subculture 😂 like I play cheap cringe decks that are underrated purposely bc to me nothing is better than smacking a try hard with cheap cards they don't respect lol I also don't look or smell like a typical Yu-Gi-Oh player and my favorite rarity is gold rare. I went to regionals a few weeks ago dropped in round 7 after going 4-3 with plants and one of the guys I beat made top 32 I was his only loss his face along with everyone else i beat was the reason I go frfr the only thing better than that feeling is when you also get to flip common rarity floodgates 😁
"Tenpai is far from dominating?" Then what's this? This is literally the result of ignorance. Nothing else. It's much more manageable if you're willing to prepare for the decks in the format.
"Tenpai is far from dominating?" Then what's this? This is literally the result of ignorance. Nothing else. It's much more manageable if you're willing to prepare for the decks in the format.
@@chrisofelkia6330no, this will not become a chain
Sounds like racism
Lmao I read your coment at the exact moment he said that 🤣
@@haydenz0 No, its not Rescue Ace...
Scareclaw tri-heart:
This is guy is always in denial about Tenpai 😂
Josh is always trying to intellectualize his dislikes. 🤓
@@Saixjacketwhat's wrong with explaining why you don't like something?
@@DreamerGalaxius nothing? Lol
Not really? I mean he admits the deck is strong if you are not prepared to stop it.
battle fader
Spooky dogwood seems pretty solid against tenpai and just time
📝📝📝
Its not "Snake-Eye Fire King" because its not a Fire King deck its just another Snake-Eye variant but still very much a Snake-Eye deck. Its FK Snake-Eye.
Veidos eats field spells
you also need to draw or have a non-searching, Ashable handtrap at the ready
@@SmashingPapaya just trying to be funny
Kuriphoton is searchable by Photon Lord, a decent rank 8 that u can slot in to pure SE. Can side 1 photon lord 1 kuriphoton (or main if u rly need to)
Can still side 3, just allows you to access it without hard drawing it
3 d barrier n 3 spellbound
What did he expect? Last ROTK chart had far more equal representation across the board. Tenpai wasn't quite as dominant as it is now. Next time they will be more prepared now that Tenpai is the top meta deck.
Breaking boards gang 🔥🔥🔥
u have to side for it and even then if u dont draw your out to tenpai u can only pray they brick
the reliable way was to use fiendsmith engine summon out Beatrice, dump Rise To Full Height against tenpai, u dont even need LL as SE, against others, well just dump blue tear combo and set whatever trap u liked
that is why many are main decking droll,1-2, some at 3 against fiendsmith even tenpai
yubel or SE is the best contender at using fiendsmith engine, the downside is extra deck space, as u could only pick either accesscode or zealantis for game, so your game plan mostly are play out all your cards and win on turn 1, both can summon out a huge resource of body for link climb, 2 link4 monster is easy if u used fiendsmith engine, multiple line to play under nib or disrespect nib and go for the biggest board possible
because of that fabled lurrie is super expensive and it only reprint in ranking tournament pack, yubel's phantom being expensive makes the deck with fiendsmith the most expensive in this meta, therefore its rare to see yubel fiendsmith in local
I feel like going second OTK strategies are just as toxic as first turn combo decks that set up 10+ interruptions.
I can not wait for fiendsmith. That is the deck I am going to play. That shit gonna body snake eyes it will either be draw shifter against it or loose. In fact Fire King would be the better option at this point. Then people will just side thrust + soul release + cosmic. Fiendsmith literally an ftk deck that plays through every hand trap so if you play nothing but hand traps you sre literally hand looping yourself to loose
I don’t understand why ppl aren’t playing Battle Fader or Swift Scare Crow
Photon is also good with maxx c.
Tenpai in master duel... i will play d barrier 100% xD... oh my this will be annoying
I completely agree they were deck building to not lose instead of to win. You can't without taking risks. When I play Yugioh I trust my deck. The decks I've spent time net decking, testing, and reshaping until it feels as perfect as it can be.
As a r-ace player, how bad does tenpai lose to contain
The problem is r-ace in theory does well but then again they main deck lighting storm.
@@gravemind76 real forgot about that
Why are you screaming? You got a mic 😅
Isn't waboku just as good as it gets against them?
It is. Waboku and Threatening Roar shut down the ENTIRE deck.
Waboku is slightly worse because they can still attack, which means they can still summon more cards so they can set up spheres and stuff. But yeah generally either one being set up means the tenpai player loses.
The moment when you're scared of a one of (reboot) and decide to play kuriphoton instead XD
Isn't d barrier even better cause it also helps shut out other matchups?
@@bl00by_ kuriphoton has a lot more uses than just tenpai, it's also good vs yubel and gimmick puppet FTK
Fucho should get follow up organically by searching OSS if you get that far 🤷♂️
I mean, it's a grey area here. How much should you really be devoting for a 10-20% mu representation? Josh's bias is showing because he doesn''t like Tenpai lol
It's easy to top with tenpai but it's difficult to win with tenpai.
So basically: literally a skill issue
Gimmick puppet will punish the dragon 🤓
Yep, Sanctifire dragon
Great now that josh saw kuriphoton people will be playing my tech now
so can we say it now, tenpai is one of the most unhealthy designs of all time. go second strategies have the advantage that in a best of 3 they basically regardless of who wins the coin flip get 2 games in their favor but the problem is if the how to play through boards is just you can't do anything and i don't care what you did i win, thats not going second, thats just solitaire combos with an extra step
Maybe just maybe your assessment of the deck is wrong?
Magic deflector can’t get otk now lol nice etele that does nada now
Mischief of the ghomes mess with the extra deck of levels don’t match up
I just love this quote by kuribandit
"Tenpai can kill you through prosperity twice and with soem changes just in cases"
Just because alot are playing doesnt mean alot are winning, maybe youre ignorant to the price factor
Tenpai is siding Kuriphoton because it is a handtrap that you could topdeck with Maxx C
Its searchable via fiendsmith tractus
Tenpai is a top 3 meta deck, and people still out here dumb enough to make excuses for not respecting it as a top meta deck and only having a single card for it...
It's not one card
Josh is so focused to realize the next two card beside Fucho is also a Tenpai counter
It's just the local isn't just filled with Tenpai, you also need to prepare for shit like Gimmick Puppet FTK, Rogue deck ending the board with Pachy and protections, etc.
I blame Maxx C for this
Putting in too much tech to play against tenpai can ruin the deck when you're not playing against tenpai,so people might not consider to fully commit for them yet
Washua is just mad he is wrong again
Faux intellectual 😂
Tenpai is actually a good cohesive strategy. Not hard to understand. Also representation plays a huge role. If half the room is tenpai then it will have good results by default.
It's simple. Most players are idiots and refuse to understand that this garbage of a deck hard looses to Bagooska, Super Poly, Eclipse, Shifter and Droplet.
Can't Super Poly, Eclipse or Droplet it during the MP 1 or battle phase if they got the field spell and Transcendent out.
If you can get those out, your going up against a moron.
@@RavenCloak13 ^ This. It's essentially open a combination of t. roar, ogre, or d.barrier, hope they brick, or just die. It's mystic mine that can OTK thru prosperity. Deck is actually ignorant.
Labrynth: Or you could try the pink cards... 😈
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Again, unless you get rid of the field spell or get out Skill Drain or DNA Surgery/Transplant, your not getting those off.
@RavenCloak13 Again, TRoar/DBarrier/affect the opponent not the monsters, both the Ban Tenpai side and the Tenpai is Fine side can agree to that being the case for the pink cards that those are the relevant ones, with the best Tenpai builds seeming to be the ones that can play through them without losing too much ground in the hand trap war.
Can people stop talking about simul archfiends??
Tempai is gonna be worse than Snake decks on master duel. Yugioh is a toxic game and it always have been. There has been a handful of decent metas in the entire existance.
Edgy opinion: Konami has allowed powercreep to go so far that we should really be considering increasing the side deck size to 20
*note I am completely aware that this would basically cause everyone to bring 2 decks to events as with 20 additional cards they could simply retrofit their deck into something else
Pretty much how that Rescue Ace pile from a few months back operated*
Less Edgy Opinion: Increase the extra deck size to 20 cards.
Tenpai is another deck though.
Once again you were same guy that got clap on stream using snake eyes lost to tenpai
When 6 head duelist loses to konamis front office. Why respect is hard to get when you act like you really understand this game 😂
People aren't playing Droll. When people return to main decking Droll and lock bird and ogre and find another way to beat their mirror without siding and main decking to "auto beat" your mirrors. It will weaken. This is a result of players realizing that snake eyes "vulnerability" to hand traps do not matter. The deck has been realized how to beat. It isn't that good. It ends on the same exact board as Orcust 😂 like fr. If it makes full combo then it goes unanswered and would loose to board breakers. It's follow up dies to 1 hand trap and 1 sub interruption. Fire king is too inconsistent and draws too many bricks. Yall are finally realizing that if unchained has 1 extra sharvara it would be the best deck. Personally. I THINK tenpai is a bye round for snake eyes. But because players are bad the deck seems insane. Barrier is trash. If they HT you the turn skip is not worth it if you don't make a real board. The best cards against tenpai is Droll and ogre.
I hate tenpai dragons, pure going second decks are so annoying…