Structure Fire Response 11/10/2020
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2020
- *Hydrants did not work and are not the responsibility of the Fire Department. This caused our tankers to have to go to the local boat ramp to resupply. There was no way to get enough hose to the Ohio river to draft at the scene. It looks close but it was not close enough for water supply* Car 8501 responding to a two-story residential structure fire. Crews from Milton, Madison, Madison Township, Westside, and Bedford assisted at the scene. Fire operations were hindered by several factors including high winds contributing to flame spread, structure type being all wood panel, and city hydrants not operating for tanker shuttle operations. This was a weekend home and nobody was currently staying in the residence. Trimble County EMS and the Trimble County Sheriff's Department assisted at the scene as well. A press release can be seen on our Facebook page or our website.
I have been a volunteer FF/EMT for 33 years, my hats off to all those who responded. It is tough when hydrants don’t work. I am sure there are many that could be a Monday morning quarterback (chief) but when you are on scene you do what you can! God bless You guys that still volunteer!
That is the exact spirit of the VOLUNTEERS! Former career ff/medic who just has a job out here in the sticks. I try to give as much knowledge and training to our guys out here. It’s crazy the the people criticize those who risk lives and careers for their neighbors. It costs me money to try and put wet stuff on red stuff.
It's always a bad day when you have no hydrants and no training. This is an absolute shit show and should be used as a fail video to any training dept. Had a plan in place and never used anything in the plan. The real star of the show and the one doing any work that I saw worth a damn was the drone operator.
First let's all stand in honor of those ready, willing, and able to serve as volunteer firefighters, emergency services and law enforcement. These folks deserve far more support and praise that few can understand.
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Secondly, yes, there is some constructive criticism due of how the apparatus was placed and how the portable tank was set and how the incoming tankers were forced to hose unload their water rather than their dump chutes on the back of each tanker. There could be some training and pre-planning there.
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Third, I am not certain who the responsibility of hydrant maintenance belongs to. This is the most concerning issue to me. It's like having a bear attacking and reaching for the unloaded gun.
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The responses to this fire were reasonable, especially for the unmanned stations factor. To my knowledge only the Engine 1 (yellow first in) responded from a manned fire department.
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Insurance is much more expensive in these rural counties because the costs of fire protection, especially with so many unfunded mandates by state and federal governments, is nearly impossible for small population counties and cities.
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My hat to each and every volunteer and professional who attended this fire.
Hydrants are typically relegated to the water/sewer dept depending on how big the town is, could even be the same guy or gal running both. A lot of people forget that these little towns get shit for money for things such as that, I'm sure 8501 has voiced his concern more than once at the town meetings there. Coming from a rural dept myself as a captain before moving where I am now, also a rural town, I know there are plenty of risk factors involved.
@@MikeT-TheRetiredColonel I am very familiar with rural water systems in Kentucky and rural fire departments. I have nothing but praise for how well most manage with such little support.
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The issue that many rural water supply companies have is that fire protection is an after-thought. Many rural supplies are on three inch lines and therefore unable to support any fire hydrants, but the laws as most initial water supply installations were built under did not allow for more infrastructure than necessary to support household use.
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I am not about to condemn the Milton Volunteer Fire Department for fighting Goliath often without even a slingshot.
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I do wonder if the VFD is even allowed to test the hydrants in this particular community.
@@tomcox6737 Most likely they would need to make an arrangement with the water authority, but where I live the fire and water authorities are on god terms and have tested and mapped each hydrant, command will send specific trucks to specific hydrants depending on their tank size and fill rate, larger tanks or higher fill rates draw straight off the tower while smaller tanks or lower fill rates draw off the distribution so as to leave higher capacity hydrants open for higher capacity trucks, we have enough pressure in the tower that the hydrant right underneath, which is the go-to filler hydrant since it draws straight from the tower and not the distribution, can do some serious damage people, cars, buildings, and power poles and as a result can only be operated by a small number of people myself included,
@@vacexpert2020 100% agreement
@@tomcox6737 I do think that all fire depts should have a good arrangement with their local water authorities, as broken hydrants will affect the ISO rating, which directly affects the insurance premiums for local residents, we're getting a new truck and the subsequent boost to the ISO rating will save homeowners 15% on insurance premiums, having good hydrants saves homeowners as much as 30% depending on the provider
My thoughts go out to those who lost their house this is definitely not what people need at this time of year especially with everything else that's happening around the world atm
I'm not a firefighter and every situation is different, but it sure seems like everyone had a hard time getting their act together
You’d be correct
@Cletus Kreider
Please, by all means... tell us all what was done wrong
@@eoinpkav152
You would be clueless
@@virgilhilts3924 This was a fail from the start.
@@markevan1
Specifically how so?
Poor performance from the first arrival until water was on the structure. Yes, they are hero’s for doing what they do but some training needs to be implemented so that everyone knows what their job is and how to get water flowing as fast as possible.
Some hell should also be raised about the fire hydrant situation in the area.
Unless you are a rural firefighter please don’t talk about fire fighting techniques in rural areas. Whole lot harder than in big cities where there is 1-2 hydrants a block.
So tell us what you would have done...
As to anyone concerned about "lack of assistance" remember that many rural areas use ALL volunteer staff and this fire was clearly daytime. Our great firemen and women have to make a living and work their regular jobs. So when a call goes out the FD is lucky to have 2 on a truck before it leaves the station. They can wait for more to show up before rolling out...but time is critical . They value all the help that is available.
So true I am a volunteer firefighter
Volunteer here also, we don’t wait for people to show up that the station to ride in the trucks. They take there personal vehicles, whoever is close to the station takes the trucks. We all have are gear in our vehicles. For structure fires all surrounding town are an automatic mutual aid due to the lack of man power during the day.
@@UA-cam_Professor same thing with my station
Isn't it great being held to NFPA training standards while it's impossible to meet manpower standards?
You also get the trickle of firefighters showing up I. Their own cars. It can take a while though, because you can’t control where people are unlike a professional department
As a volunteer firefighter in Kentucky I see so many things wrong with this set up. It may just be me.but seriously the engine was there for a few min put a little fire in your step guys grab those hose and fight some fire! And I totally understand being short staffed we have that issue here too! Take the other responding engine put it by the lake have it suck water from the lake run a line to the direct fill on the yellow engine.
Big water source there! Take advantage of it!
I love the help from towns all around the area. The help is a wonderful thing and it makes to whole area stronger.
Nice to see too that when it comes to something like this, there are no state boundaries that cannot be crossed. Everybody helps each other out regardless if it's right across the state line.
Many departments cross international lines, upstate vermont, maine, new york, montana, routinely serve southern Ontario, Sask, and Alta, as does the inverse. The Lac Megantic, QC derailment had departments from Maine, Vermont, New York, New Hampshire, like it’s another day.
Great job Jason. I think this is the first structure fire I heard you call out to Campbellsburg. I love the response and the operations of you getting equipment to this fire. Excellent work.
Being a Former Volunteer Firefighter myself I know the importance of having a very disciplined Fire Department that will be ready to go and fight fires (whether it be industrial, commercial, residential, or rural or forest areas).
That’s a small town for ya. Half the time the department dispatches themselves because everyone just calls Chief lol. Great job Chief.
Very unusual for us. The guy that called was a Firefighter from another department so he knew I could radio it in quicker. He also knew that if he had called 911 on his cell it would have went to Indiana and then they would have had to call Kentucky which would have caused even more of a delay in dispatch. He basically bypassed all that and went straight to the source.
The delay is a big problem with calling 911 I will agree there we have the same problem here
@@JASON8502 In small towns calling knowing who the FF are or the officers ends up being the better option, just call them and its done. Most fire houses have a button or switch at the station to activate the siren and off to the races, or like you just call dispatch and they sound off the tones and blow the horns. Being close to state or county lines make it that much harder as well, really depends on where the structure is located, we have homes in my area that have half in one departments area and the other in another departments area. Makes it tricky for the sheriff department to dispatch a VF department, so home owner just calls one of the local FF and they call the chief and trucks roll.
@@scottmiller2421 your just across the lake Champlain from us, I live in WIllsboro NY. The department here test the hydrants about 2 times a year to make sure they work, the town also has long metal rods next to them painted red so that the FF can locate them during the winter season. I have one at the end of my driveway and I try to keep it clear of snow if they need to get at it.
Yeah, our area has frequently helpful dispatchers, but dear neptune they take their time calling the cavalry. When we call county (911) time out on dispatch is anywhere from a minute to almost ten. The older townsfolk still call the fire hall (which it’s purely coincidental if the chief or I were there), some call the chief direct. It saves time in our town, to run down to the station, hit the button on the siren, then radio county, than just calling by telephone.
gosh, this reminds me of my neighborhood back in 1974. There were fire hydrates found to be planted in the ground and not connected to a main line. We had a small town then and it probably cost a bundle for the city to correct it.
Nothing to be ashamed of here...you do the best you can with what you have as well as the training you have or don't have. Someone in these wide-open spaces has to answer the call... Glad everyone went home OK
Nice video as usual and please stay safe out there but do you not use positional driving to indicate your intentions to other drivers in front of you in the US? In the UK we would use our exemption from the road markings responding on emergency lights and sirens to move so we are positioned so both the driver in front and drivers coming towards can see us clearly? This can mean moving to the opposite side of the road where safe to do so
...City dwellers often say, "Oh, just follow the orange glow or trail of smoke!" - NO! Doesn't work that way! I actually like some of these POV response videos, especially those in rural areas... It gives the viewer an idea of just how large some of these fire districts can be, and how far first responders sometimes have to travel to answer a call...
I know big city career guys act like they know it all. But half of them wouldn’t know how to set up water supply without hydrants our 3 trucks with 4 guys.
Trey Neal - They had huge supply hoses running clear to the boat ramp, and then into that portable holding tank... Once _that_ connection is made, you have a sizeable supply... All fire companies can draw off it!
Took way too long to get water on the fire.
Great video - I’ve watched many of these and am no expert but I’ve seen a few trucks that have a front bumper-mounted “cannon”. They pull up and are hitting the fire within seconds - from within the truck. I assume they need to have a sizable tank as well. Are these only common in major cities? I suppose in rural areas perhaps an all-around pumper is more useful.
We actually have one on our 8532 but, we would need to have water supply to make it work. This was the problem with this fire, we had no water. The river behind it was too far as well.
As a member of volunteer dept in much more densely populated area in NY, all things considered this was a good job, maybe a little slow with first water on the fire but with how far away these fires are from any fire equipment and personnel you had your work cut out for in right from the start. First car on scene in around 4 minutes but first engine only pulling in after 15 minutes. By that time the fire had already gotten a good foot hold. Living in these rural areas certainly has its upsides and drawbacks.
Only problem I have is that guy putting that box on the hood of what looks like a very nice truck
I have a genuine question here. Now, I’ve done my share of career and volunteer and have served in Chief positions in both. Based on following Milton’s vids for a few years, I can tell that manpower and response times are always an issue. So my question is, why would you pass one of your stations just to get on scene first and wait another 11 minutes for your first engine and another 5 minutes for water? I mean great footage I guess, but stopping to pick up an apparatus that can actually fight fire is absolutely more critical here. This fire could have been drastically slowed with a one man engine given the conditions on initial. I’d have some tough questions to be asking if lived in this district.
Not really you cannot fight fires with just one fire fighter and he is in command
@@daltonmcdowell8068 you absolutely can, and in some cases have to.
You cannot fight a fire with a 1 man engine I'm not saying there's not some fd out there that would try this or they do it but it's not safe houses can be replaced firefighters lives cannot. Plus you need to be able to establish command on the incident as well as maintain span of control. You should learn ICS.
@@Hal-Robinson I assure I’ve spent more time teaching ICS than you could ever begin to imagine. However, there are many times and departments that the luxury of ICS simply isn’t feasible. You can absolutely manage slowing a fire with a one man engine with minimal risk. This was 100% one of those cases.
I agree you can’t putout a fire with a command car the first vehicle on the scene should be a fire truck and you are correct one person with quick response can put out or at least slow the fire incoming personnel will then assist once the engine is pumping assuming that it also has water on board one line will make a big difference in the progress of the fire.. retired small town firefighter
I totally understand what y’all got to go thru being all volunteer.
But chief from Milton you should look up the rural hitch
We use it in our district and it seems to work well
All depends on tanker size
If I lived there I would use my tractor and install a standpipe from that river for future fire risk mitigation.
Yup dry hydrant and concrete pad for pumper.
Well realistically all you would need here is a concrete pad for a truck to rest on to give the truck 6 ft at max so they could draft directly there. At that point you’d be able to have 2 lines off and a deck gun
We have actually talked to a few of the residents that live along the river about that exact thing. We cannot force it and the cost is on them, but some seem interested in doing it.
@@JASON8502 would seem the cost of doing so could be mitigated through lower homeowner insurance cost with a water supply within certain distance so that maybe something for the homeowners in the area to look into as well
The houses (and access roads) along the Ohio River are generally at least 30-40 feet above normal pool elevation to be out of the flood plain. You can't suck water out of a standpipe that high. It's physically, mathematically impossible to suck water higher than 34 feet on Earth. But the practical mechanical limitation is about 10 feet with a pumper. This means you need a fire pump capable of somewhere between 500 and 1,000gpm at the river to pump it up. It's not as simple as just sticking a pipe in the river and sucking water out of it from 50 feet above the river.
The water tenfer crew is slow. We would have set up dumped and left ling before they backed up the 1st time
I love how people like to complain and don't know all the details
Were we watching the same video?
jason i think you guys did a phenominal job with that fire scene.
Great job guys!
Having served on a couple of volunteer fire departments in rural counties, I’ve had quite a bit of experience with water shuttling.
The First engine in should have started attack with hand lines.
First tanker in should have staged at the end of the driveway in a way to drop his drop tank on the side of the road and take suction from and run a 5” supply line to the first engine. This way, follow on tankers could stay on the road and side dump into the drop tank.
Research needs to be done in the area to locate the best draft site from the river. The second engine and or tanker would respond there to set up a draft and lay a 5” supply line as close to the road as possible with a Y-gate and 2 smaller supply lines of 3 or 4 inches to fill the tankers as they come to refill. Another option is to get a portable pump or 2 to use with swimming pools, ponds, or rivers that in areas where apparatus cannot get close enough to the water source, can be deployed to help fill drop tanks, supply hand lines or get creative.
But water shuttle training needs to occur in that county and ideal draft locations need to be found and made known to all the departments in the area.
why didn't the tankers reverse down the hill closest to the fence?
In some rural areas the state runs one or two fire “squads” they can definitely start the process of containing the fire
it would be really nice, if for calls like this, for there to be a 360 camera up on top so we can see all of the fire truck responses as well as the on scene operations as well.
Id love too if I had the money
You should buy one and donate it to the fire dept.
@@JASON8502 thank your uncle donny t for all that money going to infrastructure, Ha, Ha. Ha.
i know its late for a reply but i also can not afford a 360 camera as i am technically jobless but not jobless as i have a workplace but they havent had any work for me since 2017 and i would have gone back exactly a year ago but covid happened
Great job 👍
Before anyone comment WhY Do YoU NeEd TaNkeRs. Read the description. They were not functioning
The hydrants***
My question isn't why they needed tankers, its why it took so long to get water off the tankers, why they wasted a thousand of water out of a deck gun with no water supply, and what the thinking is putting the dump tank all the way down the driveway, then parking an engine in front of it blocking it, all honest questions not trying to smoke anyone
Awesome video!! Is there gonna be a part two?!
No, there was nothing other than more of this. Just trucks going in and out and it got boring. I had hours of footage.
With the house overlooking a plentiful source of water, surely a priority could be to utilise the lake and get lines set up from there?
That was so sad to watch as the fire engulfed the home.
Where was this fire located and what state? Thank you
I believe right about here - www.google.com/maps/place/1052+KY-36,+Milton,+KY+40045/@38.7254451,-85.3528383,181m
Was there water on the first truck that could have been used to slow the advance of the fire? It was a while before ANY water was put on it.
When you live in a rural area you better make sure that you have a good fire insurance policy.
Is this fire car newer than the one that you had used earlier in your UA-cam videos
how far is milton from florence speedway jason?
Just asking but couldn’t they use a tender to get water out of the river/lake behind the house?
There appears to be a lake beyond the house, so why did they not pump water from that to fight the fire ?
Trimble Co, KY 🐻 Thanks to all the men & women who serve!
Thank you
Our 1, 2 engine, 1 tanker station has 215 square miles of coverage. We do what we can.
More states should utilize Fire Police with their volunteer fire companies. We are the people who would handle traffic on the fire ground. Also assist Police with accidents and other incidents when a fire company may not be called out for a response.
Haha. Getting the police to run traffic or escort fire engines? In a small town with 2 cops?
Is there a walk around of the vehicle?
Yes, look in our videos and you will find a recent one
This video was painful to watch. I realize there were issues with getting water but I wonder if the owners or anyone living in this town could get fire insurance.
So why aren't you there tell them all how to do things?
@Mikey Baker Milton is not in Henry County, it is in Trimble County, Milton is a medium sized city within Trimble County because of the Mutual Aid from other Fire Departments, Milton will be able to get alot of the fire calls answered.
What happened to driving the tankers around the driveway?
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Nice work out there be safe!
I live almost 5 hours from there, I know exactly where that is. I worked in Madison for a year.
Awesome job Chief and crews!!
Got a side note, I was listening to the audio archive of the call on Broadcastify and it sounds like there’s some feedback on your mobile radio, didn’t know if you knew or not...I’ve noticed it the last couple of times I’ve listened to an incident for your guys....
It is the radio in the new truck, we need to re-wire the entire truck. It has some wiring issues.
@@JASON8502 ahh okay.....
Jason is a normal response time for y’all?
Great command and on scene footage!! Was the drone for firefighting scene surveying purposes?? Was it grabbing video/will you be posting any of the video??
This was a drone for Firefighting purposes used by a Firefighter from another department. I am not sure if or when I would get the footage to use here.
That's awesome I'm in Florida on the west coast and one of the FD in our county has a large drone program they are a great resource
I am a fire fighter from Abbeville sc love my job may the good Lord be with all fire fighters
I may be mistaken, but do they read the story of Jesus on y’alls frequency Christmas Day?
Not to sure on country fire fighting cause I am from the suburbs where there is a hydrant everywhere, but it looks like you set up the pond then blocked it in with to pumpers?
There was hydrants but they were not working
Read the description
You guys have a drone?
Was the lake to far for the trucks to use?
Is that a lake behind the house? Did anyone consider drafting ? Using a drafting floating strainer would have given you all the water needed.
I see a large water supply right behind the house why do you need tankers?
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it
@@Spookyy14 you need to get close with a engine before you can use it probably no access
Read the description
Nice video jason
I also went to a house fire on 11th October 2020!
Can we acknowledge how quick the grey truck at the beginning pulled over though?
So this guy races to the fire to wait on the trucks? And they get there and walk around with no sense of urgency.
I am seeing a lot of issues. Mainly no water because of the rural setting. Engine doesn’t seem to be putting out much pressure. And I never see more than one hand line at a time. Obviously because of a volunteer department there are manpower issues. Then the drone is the icing on the cake. They’re trying their best. That’s all that can be said.
EVERYBODY HERE NEEDS TO DO ONE SIMPLE THING:
Read. The. Description.
Hydrants were not working (Not on the FD btw)
The 'lake' is a river, that is much father away than it seems, and a barge went by the stirred up the silt as well.
Just read before you talk.
The was at least 6,000 gallons of water on the first three tenders plus the booster tank on the firs due engine. There was plenty of water. Flowing 2 1 3/4" lines at a total of 300 gpm, 6,000 gallons would supply them for 20 minutes before the shuttle begins. Plenty of water.
Initial report was wrong. It wasn’t “fully involved “ it was a working fire. Big difference
What state did this fire happen in Oklahoma??
Just an FYI your clock is showing the wrong time.
Thanks, now if I can only remember to change it. It will be right again when our clocks go back.
First truck run a 70mm line defensive, first tanker to supply the truck while extra manpower setup a water relay from the huge lake/river at the back of the house.
Could you not draft direct from the lake?
This is the Ohio river, we did eventually go to the river at our boat ramp once it was determined all hydrants were out of service. However, when a barge went by it stirred up a lot of debris which started to get in to the tanks. This would have caused a lot of damage to the engine.
@@JASON8502 makes sense. Thanks for the response!
Is this Milton in Henry county Kentucky?
Sorry Trimble county
Yes, Trimble
This is exactly what insurance is for. Water and smoke damage, plus fire damage. This house, didn't have a chance. Some fires, for whatever the reason, aren't seen and or not reported.
Fully involved?
Yes, I got a little ahead of myself. I realized that after I said it.
@@JASON8502 that's why it's good to go back and look at the videos and use these great training opportunities Chief great job though I'm getting control quickly and getting the resources very professionally handled
How do you check on scene half a mile out and say it's "fully involved" and when you arrive on scene its a fire in one or two rooms on the second floor with extension in the attic? Apparently the words "fully involved" are thrown around too much.
It might not have been fully involved when he arrived but it was definitely fully involved by the time the first engine arrived
@@Hal-Robinson That literally doesn't matter at all. Any size up should be accurate and informed. Checking on scene before you can even see the scene and saying it's "fully involved" just by the smoke you see it a typical unexperienced volunteer thing to do. You don't give a size up for the future when the first arriving engine company gets there. Thats not how it works and if you think thats okay, you must not be trained very well.
@@Hal-Robinson and if you REALLY want to piece it apart that much, the first arriving engine arrived around the 16 minute mark. Definitely nowhere near fully involved it was only the second floor from the front that you can see. Like I said in my original comment, the words "fully involved" get thrown around way too much by inexperienced fireman on the radio that can't tell the difference.
What a cluster? Officer had no clue.
I'm a firefighter what took so long to fill in the box? Especially with a 2 story wood frame, those poor people lost their home and belongings because of slackness
I was a firefighter forv2 years. I might be a bit nit picky here so bear with me. #1 your dealing with mostly Volenteere departments so its hard to get people & equipment out & tonthe sceen. #2 There are a few things that i would have done diffrentky. And #3 1 key factor that was lacking from command was clear comunication (in my oppenion) to his first arriving engin & tanker. He had to go face to face with them to give them instructions. Thats what the radio is for exactly WHERE do you want your first engin for fire attack. Where are they to.park the truck & what assignment when they get there. It dosent matter WHAT the first in engin company is just clearly state "First in Engin company I want you to come in the gated entrance park in the drive way & start fire attack second due engin company establish water supply) this is very clear cut telling tankers to park "where ever" is poor planing & comunication. You tell them exactly where the tankers are to stage you may have 2 staging areas due to where the tankers have to come from if they have to pass the sceen to enter staging you may have to have 2 staging areas. This was my major beef clear concise comunication or lack there of. The placemet of the porta tank coukd have been better as it took a while for the second engin company to arive to setup water suply (aka drafting opperations) if the first engin cimpany was placed diffrently there would be no need for the second engin company to drop hard suction, however its always best if posibke to have your second due engin company to supply the first engin.
I call it as I see it. Your radio traffic was good. You were limited in actions being all-volunteer and not having hydrants (though why don't you guys maintain/check your hydrants?), but why didn't you personally stop at the fire station you passed to pick up a rig that could actually do something instead of responding in your POV or Chief's vehicle or whatever it was you were in? I'm truly not trying to quarterback you here, but I'm genuinely curious. You might have actually been able to keep this thing in check until others could get there and saved this home instead of recording it burning smooth up.
didn't help with the winds looked like they started picking up around the 12min point and seem to keep shifting judging by the flag in neighbors yard
Couldn't understand why the officer went on scene fully involved. I realize now he was figuring on how far along the fire would be when the finally got water it!!
Just because resources haven't arrived doesn't mean you can't do your initial 360
But happy to see in your comment you understand what he was doing.
Wenn er am Anfang beschleunigt...einfach nur geil🤩
Blame the city for not maintaining the hydrants. Can't blame the FD when there is no water available.
You 100 percent blame.the fd! You have a river behind you with a ramp access. Google map the address. He had a plan to use the horse shoe driveway and failed to. This chief needs to budget for money to buy a clue next budget meeting.
Ok I am so confused, why you set a dump tank to run a tanker / shuttle then place a engine in the front of it? 😱
You have a loop drive way... Place the engine in the middle pull 2 hand lines and use the turret as a 3rd stream... Place water supply down in the head of the driveway... Use the 2nd engine to draft from it and push a constant water.... Keep your tankers moving with water never sitting and waiting. 👍
I think there seemed to be a problem with the first tanker...and since it was not mentioned in the description I'd guess operator error. Personally I would have dropped the PT about halfway down the drive for the next incoming engine and tanker to work with and nursed the engine in the front yard.
Gee, it takes a long time to get any help here!! 😣😤😠
That dispatcher was so on it.
The house burned down was rebuilt and the family had a kid before the fire department got there.
Call 2nd alarm with tanker task force
That works great with career fire departments where they have preset alarms and what is supposed to respond to it. But with the volunteer departments when they get a call like this they basically just dump the station and everybody responds so it's easier for my command perspective to request individual resources and apparatus.
WOW, definitely don't want these clowns responding to my house for a fire!! The 'chief' does an excellent job doing.....nothing, the other guys can't figure out where to park the trucks, and the one guy in the baseball hat wants to film their disaster with his drone! I'm glad he's capturing their success to be immortalized in the City's archives. A couple children with a garden hose could have done a better job putting out this fire.
Everyone be safe on calls
Absolutely the worst firefighting iv ever seen!! On scene for over 5 minutes no water on the fire, thats the least of the concerns, I honestly can’t believe this is real, not the first video Ive seen seen by this department that was unbelievable!
This is a good example of the reality of rural living. Most departments are volunteer and being during the day this is what will happen. My only take aways are the first in engine did take up a lot of time setting up and they also could’ve utilized their deck gun and took out fire more efficiently. You gotta do what ya gotta do with what you’re given with these kinds of departments. Response times are excused due to location and personnel limitations but once that first due engine arrives they set the tone for the rest of the fire.
Thanks for proving you have no clue what you are talking about
@@virgilhilts3924 I do have an idea of what I am talking about, I am on a paid on call department that runs 2,500 calls a year and neighbor a full time ALS department. The upper half of this house was a loss from the get go and no interior attack was possible. This is a surround and drown and just dump a deck gun with multilpe hose lines on the sides. I work with multiple volunteer departments and I know how operations work when thats who youre working with. I experience these types of responses often and understand that maybe one of theses departments was full time. Most likely the first engine on scene, I'm not sure what youre getting at.
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You keep telling yourself that
@@virgilhilts3924 who are you, what are your credentials? Youve offered nothing to this conversation. What do you know? You a volly or career? You seem to think you have a lot of knowledge but you aren't sharing any. Sounds like a weekend warrior volly to me. Youve not countered anything ive said with any useful information other than trying to act like you know what youre talking about without providing any substance. Were you on scene and just mad someone thinks they did a poor job? What are you trying to get at? Rebuttal me with useful information please instead of acting like an egotisitical jackass.
Not talking down or any of that but this is an honest question, why isn’t there a box assignment set up with dedicated units on each bell?
Welcome to rural America where it is served by volunteers whom work during the days. You never know who is available to respond or what if any mutual aid will be responding.
@@chrislittle3194 well that did not answer my question AT ALL. I run at a volunteer fire department in a suburban area and I work at a department in a rural area that is surrounded by volunteer companies and in both counties they still have designated box assignments. So I appreciate you not answering my question at all. 👍🏼
@@JohnDoe-yq5bd No, no box asignments. During a structure fire, dispatch will alert all the different Vol fire depts in the county by page. During the day you have no idea of which departments may have people available to show up. I have responded to another districts fire and that dept never showed up. We try to help each other, but it is a "come one, come all" situation First arriving unit will adjust response as needed.
@@chrislittle3194 that is what assigned box assignments are for. If I am a town surrounded by 3 volley departments 1 of which struggles to get out 1 career department and 1 combi department in bringing in an engine from the career a truck from a volunteer house rit from a combi house and everything else can get toned for the cover. Simple.
You keep saying you don’t know what you’ll get and at that point if you have those issues with mutual aid then you need to make sure that department gets shut down. A chief of department works with the county of press signed box assignments for first due incoming units and if you’re choosing a house that can’t get out then that’s on you. You and anyone who thinks like you has flawed logic and are putting lives in danger. It’s up to YOU as a chief to make the decision who needs to come in first due to a box
@@JohnDoe-yq5bd first, I’m not a chief. I’m retired. Box assignments are great if you have the people. I live in rural Appalachian area. We have 8 departments in our county. Only one is paid ( city) and they are not allowed to respond into the county. Each county dept gets $42,000 from the county, that has to cover insurance, training, fuel, heat, apparatus, equipment and turnout gear. We have a 911 system that tones out the primary dept and the next 2 closest fire depts in the county. We have some departments that only do 50 calls a year and some that make over 200 calls a year, but get the same funds as the other departments . At night, you usually have good turn out to calls. During the day, it is a different story. We have no industry, so citizens travel out of county to work good paying jobs. There may be nobody to respond, and this happens often. Our county government does the best it can, but without industry in a rural poverty area, there is only so much the county can do. Getting people to volunteer is another thing. Young people are more concerned about video games and impressing their friends than volunteering at a VFD. Another thing is radio system. Our area is very mountainous, so paging system doesn’t always work in some areas of the county. It’s easy for firemen with great support to thumb their noses at poor departments, but in the end we care about our citizens maybe even more they do. Several times I have paid for fuel, leaf blowers, and hose for departments, that didn’t have the funds to cover a broken piece of equipment. So to your comments, no we do not have “ box assignments “, not all of our firemen have turn out gear, but at least we try. What do you suggest, we close all the departments?
Unless I am wrong but it looks like one of the first or early arriving firefighters (maybe a chief officer?) was more concerned about getting his drone up in the air instead of either doing a 360 (on foot) so can provide decent operational incident command. Hopefully I am wrong in what I see? I get it having no water supply and having to depend on tankers to shuttle water but totally against technology becoming a barrier to actually boots on the ground! I am not beating up on the other firefighters that seemed to be doing the best they could to shuttle water to the attack pumper(s)!
Love the Q
Not a q, but agreee.
Most fire companies set the portable pond up next to a engine to draft out of and make it accessible to all tankers to dump in for tanker shutting. This makes no sense to me at all. I have 36 years in the fire service was a Chief and asst Chief for years . This chief has no clue whst hes doing not at all .
The pampers should be full of water
Holy cow, so many professional firefighters in the comment section coulda woulda shoulda, every situation is different and the budget may not allow for continuous training and equipment and not many people volunteering to do anything much less fight fires, give these people a break. Could be a area that may see a fire once or twice a year.
So I have a question, and I'm not asking to sound malicious. Why is seemingly everyone going POV? Do you guys just have a few guys go grab trucks and meet your firefighters on scene to form a crew on the normal? Or were you guys just short on this day?
I only ask because I'm from VA in a 100% volunteer county and we always respond to the station and then send out our trucks.
Again, not being malicious or saying that this is wrong, just trying to understand it, as this is not what I am accustomed to here at home and I'm trying to understand how this is beneficial. I mean no offense by this, but we seem far more productive than this even with a truck of only 3 people.... Having the right equipment when you arrive sets a better public image and allows you to take action as soon as you arrive as opposed to getting there in your POV and then sitting for 15 minutes watching a house burn waiting on a truck. What if there were a confirmed trap here? One FF shows up POV and there is someone inside clinging to life by a thread. You going to send just one person in?
I'm just trying to understand the logic behind gear in POVs going straight to the scene. I understand that in extremely rural areas some members may have to directly pass by the scene just to get to the station and in those instances, I could understand them stopping and waiting on scene. However, if this is a standard practice, I'm just slightly confused by how it's effective, because it doesn't seem like it, to me anyways (And I mean that in no way to be offensive or negative).
You guys did good with what you had available, but I just think it may be better to entertain the idea of station responses vs POV responses. Yea, putting lights and sirens on your POV and running code to calls might seem cool, but what good are you doing the public? Your POV doesn't have any tools, ladders, or water, so what is the point in clogging the scene with POVs that offer nothing to the situation? Sorry if I come off as an ass, I am just genuinely trying to understand this type of operation.
Thanks!
There wasn't a single POV on this scene. The one with the video is the command car for the Chief, not a POV. All personnel are required to respond to the station to grab a truck and respond. The Chief responds to the scene on all scenes to see if mutual aid is needed and what else needs to respond.
@@JASON8502 ahh okay gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
At minute 19 yeah starting to go fully involved but get some great firefighters in there and we got this lol.