Idk adaptive seems like it pushes back up for you so that all you have to do is gently hold it down to have a free modded controller that fires for you
Just don’t forget to unlock the triggers if your playing a racing game, I was only doing 30 thought the game was glitching took my 15 minutes to figure out it was my tigger locks
I got you with the sauce. Go to your main setting ma for controller & lower the radius of when pressing the trigger in order for it to register. Cause I always have my triggers on MAX SHORT. What you gotta do is know how products work so you can use it the proper way. You can still race FULL MAX SPEED WITH MAX SHORT TRIGGERS. You just didn’t know what you were doing but now you do. 😇
Controllers are 10$ more than normal. And as far as a ps5 you can get one here before too long for the price. If not cheaper. These people that spend 1000$ on a ps5 are fools
@@arielbaez671 yeah fuck all that im just going to have my RTX 3080 and not deal with bullshit memberships and false bannings resulting in losing hundreds of games with false reports, now that PS5 has banned communities and is monitoring party chat like 1984 or China, Im done with consoles, hell half the games i played on PS4 were remasters anyways, the best games were PS3/X360 era and i can play all of those and remaster the games with graphics mods myself.
Adaptive triggers are good for single player games but if you need full control of your trigger in mp then trigger stoppers are way more accurate and reliable
@@caliginousmoira8565 if it isn’t COD etc why spend the money to begin with?? Of course we’re all here for the advantage. But keep lying to yourself idc anymore.
@@jackh1457 the console might be ugly but it has better exclusives and more advanced graphics. Microsoft is the 13th largest company Sony us the 58 largest only reason ppl are switching to playstation is because there friends have it
Yes, they are functionally different mechanics when one is off and one is on. If you turn on the Xbox controller and play a racing game, the vibration motor actuates.
They are different thing. That’s like saying, the difference between driving a bus in light traffic and flying a rocket to the moon. They ARE both vehicles but have completely different purposes.
There's an even better analogy, there are AR lowers (or maybe just triggers) called forced reset triggers that force the trigger to come fully reset after a single shot so you can just keep a constant pressure on just the trigger and get many shots off
The triggers work on almost every game. Call of duty, Fortnite, fifa, 2k, every ps exclusive, every AAA single player game in the last 4 years. I personally haven't come across a game that doesn't use them
I'm sure Adaptive Trigger can be use for trigger stop, just need an update for this feature, it would be really cool, just toggle it in the settings and it blocks the trigger to a point, the best thing about this that it could be highly tunable
@@MyManJFKTV yeah but it was only used in a very small hand full of games and usually wasn’t to important. The only one I can think of is in MGS when pressing x softly made you draw your weapon but smashing it made you fire.
@@CheddarCheese1984 that's what they call it isn't it? Like they say 'fall' instead of autumn because leaves fall 😂 and instead of horse riding they say horseback riding because they need to know where to sit on the horse 😂
See where your wrong is "gaming" chair. That's like having a rice car. Does thing sucks and it's all marketing. You would do better if you had the world's best plastic chair. I mean the air flow of those things is flawless ment for full thumb speed
I actually used this logic on my wife when we were dating, and she asked about my "turbo fingers." She started buying me games after she surveyed my tastes. You don't need a gamer girl, just one that accepts your gaming.
I own both consoles and the X Box Series X controller feels incredibly last gen after you have experienced the new Dual Sense on PS5. They are just so ridiculously immersive especially for single player games. You can switch off the adaptive triggers for multiplayer or if you wanted to go back to the more dated X box style controllers but seriously once you've experienced that huge increase in immersion the dual sense delivers I can't imagine many people doing so as playing on my X Box controller feels like going back 10 years to the X Box One days and definitely not in a good way 😂
your only choice at the moment is an series s it’s always in stock the series x and ps5 still get sold out instantly I got my series s back in March still been trying to get a ps5 as well
One is meant for games where semi-auto is used highly, the other is for full auto immersion. The difference is that xbox made a controller to perform better, which is why it also includes elevated sticks for more precise movements and key-binding paddles.
@@SagAChimpot I honestly know you’ve never tried the adaptive triggers or have a ps5 because of what you said 😂😂 let me guess Xbox fanboy who’s going to bring up game pass next with no exclusives.
@@SagAChimpot not once did I say I was a fanboy I have both systems and for the controller? Nah the ps5 one is better and that’s my opinion you have your own. Why do you think the ps5 is harder to get?? People prefer it over the x.
@@SagAChimpot and you started it with the fanboy thing right?? All the dude said was he wants developers to start including it in more games. Why did you start talking bad about adaptive triggers?
@@thegiantrat8779adaptive triggers don’t improve your gameplay at all, just a random feature to justify marking up a controller for half the price of a console.
@@maxmaximum8714you are unable to say they don’t improve gameplay, similar to how I cannot say they DO improve gameplay. It may help for some, may not for others.
@@shouldabeengone maybe if you weren't so cocky you'd notice that I'm not trying to impersonate Johnny sins I've even put a disclaimer onto my UA-cam bio thingy. If this offends you maybe think for once and notice that this is a joke just like you are
You xbox players feel like you have the better stuff for "pro" gaming when your "pro" controller is badly engineered and charged 100$ more. What all gaming is about for the average player is immersion. On this not Sony has put way more effort and thought into making their BASE controller the best controller of it's generation for the respectable price of 70$. The illuminated fantasy about that fanbase's green fridge has to stop, mofos can't even play fighting games, and they tryna compare their cheap "pro" controller to the more functional and technologically advanced Dualsense controller when all what is pro about it is the price.
@@hansi6453 bruh, I'm pretty sure if Xbox tries to show the exact technology/ gimmick the play station used you will praise it aren't you? Contradicting your statements. Smh, let's see in the near future.
@@tangytim6699 FYI i killed an undead soldier with a sword and dogs in dark souls 3 thats like two bosses now can you name anybody who could do that.........oh wait you can't because I'm awesome in dark souls and I do not suck. As a matter of fact ive got mad skills alright just ask my mom she'll confirm it that I'm fucking amazing in dark souls and not totally ass.
Word who compares a freaking PS5 Controller to the Xbox's own elite series 2 controller, at least do it with that scuf pro elite PS5 controller or something, yea we got triggers at Xbox so what?
@@ranchenthusiast5323 but not all trigger stops are like that, take scuf for example, I got a scuf controller a few years ago and you had to take the controller grips off and change them to change the trigger stops or get rid of them
The adaptive triggers youd want when playing a single player/story game as well as vibration. The stoppers youd want for multiplayer games like cod etc
no wtf, it's about the game design like Returnal literally using 2 completely different attacks on the same button. Its not autofire vs semiauto. Its more like firing your gun vs firing a rocket. You dont wanna waste those rockets, so the adaptive trigger stops you unless you force through it
if games dont design their entire system around it, then yeah its gonna be whatever this stupid argument is. Adaptive triggers are more for PS5 exclusives because they dont transition well into cross-platform
@@Goldie_Roger i was saying it in more of a preference way as in when im playing "tryhard" games i wouldnt want my triggers to vibrate when shooting as well as the whole controller vibrating. But id use those in story games to add to the immersion.
@@jayemx6965 I meant it in an objective matter. What I was trying to say is that the conversation needs to be phrased around the adaptive triggers being a feature rather than an enhancement. XBOX Stoppers are completely different, separate purpose in their own category. PS5 adaptive triggers would work for multiplayer or single player. It's basically just another button that can fit naturally inside the trigger. Instead of having a different button for aiming or zooming the scopes, that can be the adaptive trigger. Zoom and shoot in 1 button. Instead of having 2 different buttons for punches (quick jabs & stronger punches), that's now 1 trigger. Now think outside the box. In an RPG, the trigger can be a quick-menu or map, with full-press being the full menu. This will be even more useful for MMORPG's like FF14 where the triggers are used for hotbars/hotkeys. Now bringing PC games designed for keyboard/mouse UI interaction will be easy with 2 adaptive triggers. Ok, so yes, it's just another button. But it's designed into an existing button to make it more intuitive.
@@troyhilliard5390 Because it feels fucking trash. Back triggers are infinitely better for FPS. You lot are the 0.1% that thinks bumpers are better. Xbox had it right from the start and Sony smartly followed suit.
@@troyhilliard5390 the inly reason it was l1 and r1 on the ps3 is because the triggers on sixaxis/ds3 were garbage. The same gen used triggers to fire on xbox of course. I also use L1 and R1 to aim and shoot (in most games), although the adaptive triggers have been very good for non-competitive experiences so I am somewhat transitioning
i love how he never said that ones better than the other it just says “the difference between” like he’s literally just showing y’all the difference and everyone in the comments tryna make a point and argue 😂
The thing is the format is wrong for a true comparison and implies certain things that a fair comparison would not. But you guys wouldn't get that would ya
@@satyyrr yeah we know that's not relevant whatsoever dummy. That's why this is just a video and not anyting informative, it doesn't make anybody want to come back to the channel, it does nothing. The only thing it does is compare between two controllers and you only understand the comparison if you've already understood the mechanisms in the controllers. Why do you say chill? You can't read longer then one sentence without your brain hurting?
I use an advanced pc that cost 5k. so i can connect my xbox controller with an aim bot assistant that "isn't technically cheating" increase my refresh rate to maximum speed . So i can pro game jkjk.
@@devintolliver92 The adaptive triggers make you worse at games, it takes slightly more effort to press the trigger down. They are fucking awesome though and so cool with racing games
@@legend7951Nope you can close it if you dont like it and it doesn't affect the game performance . Its just vibration to make games feel more realistic. Im playin everyday
Are adaptive triggers all that noticeable? For me HD vibration looks like a way better way to make someone feel the recoil or something like that, but having the trigger doing that just looks weird.
@@ivanmunoz9055 if you have a PS5 just disable the Adaptive Triggers, it will distract you in multiplayer games and it damages the controller. (it's a fact that vibration damages controllers over extended usage) Only use it if you are playing single player games, it's still pretty annoying to switching it in the settings all the time but I still reccomend you disable it.
@@Raskov1945 You need to stop talking out of your ass. It doesn’t damage anything. They were built to withstand it. Yes they may be annoying in competitive games but they’re there for immersion, not convenience
@@Raskov1945 The PS5 controller isn’t just another easily breakable piece of tech. It’s built to withstand the feedback. You could drop it repeatedly onto concrete if you wanted and it wouldn’t affect anything. New tech is more durable and reliable than the shit you’d normally use. Welcome to the new era
@@prpeptv8463 you did, as it you thought Xbox had adaptive triggers even tho it clearly states it has trigger stoppers and vibrating triggers. Comparing the vibrating triggers and adaptive triggers could be a thing but trigger stoppers as well as the whole elite controller are made for a completely different purpose
@@davidstockman1456 seriously ¿, even if so, I feel like for me personally it wouldn't help cause I don't pull the triggers lightly, so wouldn't I possibly break the motor?
@@loicnasser1826 that back and fourth motion, matches the rythim of the bullets in game, but with a pistol there is no motion cause the gun is semi auto so the triggers would just go all the way
@@TheThomas13 wtf are you doing to your controller that you already have stick drift?! I've been using my ps5 almost everyday since launch for games like cod and still no problems with dualsense
The block is for competitive games and where you have to press more times (maybe to shoot a pistol faster on Modern Warfare), and it's hard with adaptive triggers, because their path is longer so it takes longer to reach their contact patch that makes them register the trigger being pressed
That’s why mortal Kombat doesn’t have adaptive trigger features all of us competitive players would be super mad but you always get the option to take it off so I love it
@@redscorpion9325 considering sony's exclusive is mostly story game, i still think it is a great move. nintendo and sony's always few steps ahead in term of controller inovation.
I like the x box elite controller cause it makes the trigger into a mouse click and you don’t have to adjust it like on other controllers, it’s really nice for games that require driving and shooting you don’t have to constantly switch back and forth
When i first got my ps5 i got hell let loose as my fisrt game and i thought my remote triggers were broke or something cause they was hard asf to pull. It took me a while but i finally figured out it was meant to be like that and i had to turn it off😂
@@hitoshura7 I don’t know what’s with this dude making assumptions of a person of his set up. Harassing a dude because he got a keyboard, monitor, and a ps5.
That’s not what’s happening. The fire rates the same. And you’re holding it down, but the adaptive trigger is just picking up the game’s rof, and pushing back when you fire another round. It’s for immersion. It doesn’t give you any advantage what so ever
Both actuate the triggers with the same slight press... some game's programming allow for different functions with fully depressed triggers as compared to not fully depressed triggers... c.o.d. just touch the trigger... but RDR2 need a full depression for some functions. Having a switch with limited travel however allows for speed semi auto shooting. Something you won't get with adaptive trigger 😆 ...
It doesn’t matter because you can turn off and tweak the adaptive triggers on the PS5 “In the Trigger Effect Intensity submenu, you can tweak the adaptive triggers on your DualSense pad by selecting Strong (the default setting), Medium, Weak, or Off. Assuming that you want to completely turn off adaptive triggers, rather than just reduce the feature's impact, select Off.”
If you want to use it on pc there is a program you can get but it's manual, so you have to put the values of the gun in yourself using sliders, still great though
@@FS-me8mj still doesn't give you a competitive edge, if you want a competitive edge you use keyboard and mouse. I prefer controllers 100% to keyboard and mouse cause they are more comfortable for long term gaming but when it comes to wanting a competitive edge, forget controllers. Edit: unless its a racing game
You know what's fun, in gta, you can feel every pebble on the road with this, but if you mute your game, you can actually hear the tires. In the end, vibration and noise are the same
The motors in those PS5 triggers are gonna fry so quick. They have to be tiny, and with repetitive motion like that I would be extremely surprised if those controllers even last a year.
@@beyondmylife779 Not one? I've already had to buy a new one because the drift in the stick and the motor going out in the trigger. And unsurprisingly Sony is not willing to back up their own warranty. I thought they got a little annoying after a while anyway but my kid likes them.
@@valzy76 sometimes you have it sometimes you don’t, one of my controllers has really bad stick drift and the other one doesn’t have any problems at all
@@valzy76 it's not from dropping the controller. Controllers develop drift over time of usage and pressing the button too hard a lot of times or just dust accumulating inside the controller can cause it.
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Just work with few game
Don’t think I will
Nope
The xbox controller wasn't even on not a fair test
Nope
They are two completely different features. The stopper is to decrease pressing time and the adaptive trigger is for immersion.
Could not have said it better
Finally someone who gets it 🙌
Idk adaptive seems like it pushes back up for you so that all you have to do is gently hold it down to have a free modded controller that fires for you
@@RestlessBug it pushes back to simulate recoil
@@bigm8yule also allowing the remote to reset the trigger and fire for you
Next episode: The difference between a door and a window.
ahahaha
...You can jump out of a window and walk out of a door
@@herr_ehrenmannlll8928 That's brilliant. So, to solve the problem of people jumping out of windows, we can instead install doors.
LOL
kerplunk
One is for performance and the other is for entertainment.
Soooo true idc who says otherwise
Which one is which?
Edit: I’ve been getting replies for 3 months answering the question all with the same answer. Please stop 😶
@@donovan30 the ps5 is the adaptive triggers
@@idrinkbleach4006 I mean like which one is for performance and which one is for entertainment, in your opinion tho
And the xbox controller is an elite controller for the xbox one, not the xbox series s or x.
Just don’t forget to unlock the triggers if your playing a racing game, I was only doing 30 thought the game was glitching took my 15 minutes to figure out it was my tigger locks
You’re * playing
😂
Noooo me too way too many times 😂
in game settings find accel deadzone and you can play on locked triggers.
I got you with the sauce. Go to your main setting ma for controller & lower the radius of when pressing the trigger in order for it to register. Cause I always have my triggers on MAX SHORT. What you gotta do is know how products work so you can use it the proper way. You can still race FULL MAX SPEED WITH MAX SHORT TRIGGERS. You just didn’t know what you were doing but now you do. 😇
These are two completely different things. It's like comparing apples to oranges
Both fruit both edible both comparable to each other
@Nivit Mishra why did you send that to me??
@Nivit Mishra oh
But Xbox players said they also had adaptive triggers
@@anirudhmohan2653 nah they dont, it's just vibration
The difference between something you can’t afford and something you can’t afford
Controllers are 10$ more than normal. And as far as a ps5 you can get one here before too long for the price. If not cheaper. These people that spend 1000$ on a ps5 are fools
lol
More just can't afford and cant get whatsoever
Lol
@Austin Fuck you being poor is a choice , broke is temporary
Trigger stoppers are for reaction time. Shorter trigger, faster fire. Adaptive triggers are for immersion and experience.
Thank you. I was looking for somebody explaining thess but yet keep it short and simple!
There's plenty places to get a PS5 or s Xbox you're just not looking...
@@arielbaez671 what you talking about....? Think you replied to the wrong comment lol
@@arielbaez671 yeah fuck all that im just going to have my RTX 3080 and not deal with bullshit memberships and false bannings resulting in losing hundreds of games with false reports, now that PS5 has banned communities and is monitoring party chat like 1984 or China, Im done with consoles, hell half the games i played on PS4 were remasters anyways, the best games were PS3/X360 era and i can play all of those and remaster the games with graphics mods myself.
@@robgucci3390 ...Okay?
Adaptive triggers are good for single player games but if you need full control of your trigger in mp then trigger stoppers are way more accurate and reliable
you mean shooters....... not everything is a shooter.
@@caliginousmoira8565 if it isn’t COD etc why spend the money to begin with?? Of course we’re all here for the advantage. But keep lying to yourself idc anymore.
@@SeymourButts7817bro thinks cod and shooters are the only game where adaptive triggers and trigger stoppers are applicable😭😭😭
He said adaptive triggers are only good for solo games and he was right 🤷♂️
@@SeymourButts7817sad that you need a special controller for an advantage 🤡😂
Not skilled enough to play normal?
Regardless of which one you play you’re gonna blame the controller when you lose.
Nah it’s always my shitty internet!
@@rhettkelley2699 bro no, its hacker obviously
@@TadiclsOperator nah bruh it wasn’t my fault I missed every shot it’s the game
The total opposite of the apex community rn 😂
True
Plot twist: He was just trying to flex the ps5
@@jackh1457 🤣
And the series X lmaoo hes flexing both consoles
@@jackh1457 the console might be ugly but it has better exclusives and more advanced graphics. Microsoft is the 13th largest company Sony us the 58 largest only reason ppl are switching to playstation is because there friends have it
@@jackh1457 that's the reason why I'm switching to playstation because of my friends but the xbox one and the xbox 360 will always be in my heart
@@jackh1457 We're fortunate to have one tho. Scalpers are still goin strong buyin the stock before it even goes live. Count your blessings
Yes, they are functionally different mechanics when one is off and one is on. If you turn on the Xbox controller and play a racing game, the vibration motor actuates.
But it's not in the trigger which is what he's comparing.
@@shakenbake2k479 THANK YOU XD
🤓
@@Crypto907 YOOOO YOU WRONG FOR THAT 😂
I race with vibration off
Blows my mind this many people didn’t know the difference and found this video useful
As far as I can see, no one found this helpful 😊
They are different thing. That’s like saying, the difference between driving a bus in light traffic and flying a rocket to the moon. They ARE both vehicles but have completely different purposes.
@Mbp Horrible. Made something so easy difficult
@@DirtySouth56 what's so hard in understanding that analogy? 😭 it was more vague than difficult lol
@@shreyelivera9927 it seems you have a problem understanding. I'm not gonna entertain that question. Dismissed.
Just stop
Kind of on topic but technically if PlayStation wanted too it can program it to be trigger stoppers
Imagine if you could feel the recoil of a gun by the controller flying back in the room.
Have you fired a real gun, before?
@@BloodySawBlade have you fired a real gun before.
@@BloodySawBlade you have fired a real gun before.
Yes people, I have fired real guns. I OWN 4 OF THEM.
@@BloodySawBlade good for you
I saw this and thought, "This man has a bump-stock for his controller."
Yeah like wth
There's an even better analogy, there are AR lowers (or maybe just triggers) called forced reset triggers that force the trigger to come fully reset after a single shot so you can just keep a constant pressure on just the trigger and get many shots off
That's not how bump stocks work...
@@sincereflowers3218 It's a joke, bud. I know, but I was just joking.
@@lashingfanatic of you could just bump fire it and save money on a trigger.
I love how he shows it on the only game that works on the triggers
The triggers work on almost every game. Call of duty, Fortnite, fifa, 2k, every ps exclusive, every AAA single player game in the last 4 years. I personally haven't come across a game that doesn't use them
It works on way more games and I really love the feature
Horizon Forbidden West makes the trigger stiff when you're stabbing with the staff and a couple other scenarios
What game is it?
@@EhurtAfyforbidden West also does it for pulling back a bow and it feels super immersive
Sorry to tell you this but, you’re the only person that thought they were similar.
I’ve literally had 20 people ask me what’s the difference He’s not the only one sadly
I’m sure that there are people 🥴
@@beyondmylife779 if your an idiot outside of the gaming scene you wouldn’t know lmaoo
I'm sure Adaptive Trigger can be use for trigger stop, just need an update for this feature, it would be really cool, just toggle it in the settings and it blocks the trigger to a point, the best thing about this that it could be highly tunable
@@chrls.6299 But it would be not a full stop, just harder. Id still want it and taking into account cross-platform, people would want it.
Shooting a mounted machine gun in farcry 6 is going to be hand numbing.
And satisfying
did far cry 7 drop yet?
@@capolean2902 going by the schedule these games release ,we got 3/4 more years till 7
@@grodcoyote6635 tf y’all talking about? Far Cry 6 isnt even near to be released 😂
all i know is Giancarlo Esposito is in it. Looks crazy never played a farcry game crazy they are on the 6th.
If I had trigger stoppers my controller would be broken BC my brain thinks the harder u press it the more damage it does😂
Me too 🤣
That’s how it was for PS2 and pressure sensitive buttons.
lol
I do that with buttons in fighting games.
@@MyManJFKTV yeah but it was only used in a very small hand full of games and usually wasn’t to important. The only one I can think of is in MGS when pressing x softly made you draw your weapon but smashing it made you fire.
Trigger stopper = competitive advantage
Adaptive trigger = immersion
Trigger stoppers for competitive play but the feedback triggers for when u wanna vibe
👌
I usually only play Competitively
It's all cheating in my opinion
@@r.d.9399 How would using a feature built into the controller by the console manufacturer be considered cheating?
@@r.d.9399 how the fuck is your trigger bouncing a cheat lol
Me: *shoots anti-material rifle*
My pointer finger: "goodbye old friend"
Index finger*
@@tristman8413 i point with it, pointer
@@cryobreeze80 Americans have to simplify everything lol
@@tristman8413 how is pointer finger American?
@@CheddarCheese1984 that's what they call it isn't it? Like they say 'fall' instead of autumn because leaves fall 😂 and instead of horse riding they say horseback riding because they need to know where to sit on the horse 😂
Won’t change the fact your opponent has the world’s best gaming chair though.
😂
You must overcome the difference by using random controller accessories
See where your wrong is "gaming" chair. That's like having a rice car. Does thing sucks and it's all marketing. You would do better if you had the world's best plastic chair. I mean the air flow of those things is flawless ment for full thumb speed
@@thejoker2846 thanks for your idea. My ass has turned flat and I’m becoming one with the plastic. I will soon become Kim kardashian
@@thejoker2846rice car a car made out of rice
That's Some Sick New Technology!
I don’t think anyone thought they were the same thing
Ikr like how the hell are stoppers sposed to be the same as things that make it just harder to shoot tf
The dualsense batteries last 5 hours due all those features.
@@pabloreyes6884 seriously only 5? Barely a game sesh with friends
@@tiiptap yeah.
@@pabloreyes6884 no it doesn’t XD I’m pretty sure I got longer , I have one
Girl: “Where did you learn how to use your finger like that?”
Me:
😂
I bought my GF the PS5. She doesn't play games...
Mario party
I actually used this logic on my wife when we were dating, and she asked about my "turbo fingers." She started buying me games after she surveyed my tastes.
You don't need a gamer girl, just one that accepts your gaming.
@@KudoYoung that sucks my guy
Trigger stoppers are useful. Adaptive are just for immersion. Both are cool in their ways
The rumble on the Xbox Trigger may have been a better comparison.
I agree shooting feels much more steady on Xbox then ps
Yall saying that shit because you own an xbox
@@tylerlopez2738 I can say that because I own both Xbox s & ps5
Nice. Im just tryna pay rent
I own both consoles and the X Box Series X controller feels incredibly last gen after you have experienced the new Dual Sense on PS5. They are just so ridiculously immersive especially for single player games. You can switch off the adaptive triggers for multiplayer or if you wanted to go back to the more dated X box style controllers but seriously once you've experienced that huge increase in immersion the dual sense delivers I can't imagine many people doing so as playing on my X Box controller feels like going back 10 years to the X Box One days and definitely not in a good way 😂
It sure would be nice if the new consoles were ever in stock
Just wait for next generation when everyone is selling their 5s and series. Oh wait, that's what we're all already doing...
your only choice at the moment is an series s it’s always in stock the series x and ps5 still get sold out instantly I got my series s back in March still been trying to get a ps5 as well
Got my ps5 last week from walmart, trust that place fuck target & gstop
Meh it’s nit as cool as you think because there isn’t shit for new fans out yet…
@@ellocosjchushhxha next round of ps5 and Xbox is actually downgrading some parts
One is meant for games where semi-auto is used highly, the other is for full auto immersion. The difference is that xbox made a controller to perform better, which is why it also includes elevated sticks for more precise movements and key-binding paddles.
The difference is one is a $150 controller specifically made for user customization and the other is a $70 base model controller.
Bingo
@@huhhuh364almost had it
Accept ur comparing a xbox pro controler to a base ps5 controler
All fun and games until you play fighting games on xbox🤮
Mom: go play with the kid I heard he's good with tech
The kid:
honestly mans just making an application video for a job at the verge
@@fawncashew roasted
Mans just making a video about PS5 fam what a crazy world we live in
@@fawncashew bro u didnt have to do him like that 😭
@@fawncashew why you have to be se mean?!
I just got the dualsense 5 pro. Does everything both of these controllers do in one. Love it!
I hope more game companies take advantage of using the adaptive triggers in game. It’s actually pretty cool
@@SagAChimpot turn it off
It’s a gimmick
@@SagAChimpot I honestly know you’ve never tried the adaptive triggers or have a ps5 because of what you said 😂😂 let me guess Xbox fanboy who’s going to bring up game pass next with no exclusives.
@@SagAChimpot not once did I say I was a fanboy I have both systems and for the controller? Nah the ps5 one is better and that’s my opinion you have your own. Why do you think the ps5 is harder to get?? People prefer it over the x.
@@SagAChimpot and you started it with the fanboy thing right?? All the dude said was he wants developers to start including it in more games. Why did you start talking bad about adaptive triggers?
Feels better when a teammate compliments your trigger finger😂
feels better when you save money by gaining the same effect trough swapping bumper binds to trigger buttons.
Also makes ya women happy
@@asjadkhan7705what binds make your triggers adaptive bro
@@thegiantrat8779adaptive triggers don’t improve your gameplay at all, just a random feature to justify marking up a controller for half the price of a console.
@@maxmaximum8714you are unable to say they don’t improve gameplay, similar to how I cannot say they DO improve gameplay. It may help for some, may not for others.
Bro that’s crazy I’m so excited to turn that off in the settings!
It's fun especially if the games use it right it's different depending on the games it can be tweaked for the strength as well low high medium
Hands down #1 comment in my book!
I dunno why I laughed at this.
Why, it’s fun on some games go get ghey box if u don’t want the triggers
@@lilgoon8613 yeah yeah says the Gheystation guy. As PCMR i need to protect my litte bro
i am in LOVE with adaptive triggers
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Edit: holy shit people really get triggered by a fake johnny Sins account making a joke.
coming from the fake johnny sins account, sure buddy.
@@shouldabeengone maybe if you weren't so cocky you'd notice that I'm not trying to impersonate Johnny sins I've even put a disclaimer onto my UA-cam bio thingy.
If this offends you maybe think for once and notice that this is a joke just like you are
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This is probably the saddest thing I’ve ever seen
@@shouldabeengone jhonny jus dangled his stuff right in your face for saying that
The comments did a better job of breaking down the difference than the video lmaoo
I don't see how, the stoppers stopped him from pulling any further while the adaptive triggers gave him feedback, pretty clear to me.
Well he didn’t talk 🤦♂️
@@ClutchyKingy oh no he didn't say what you could plainly see it's a travesty
in my day we just switched the trigger input with the button in settings
Ain’t that how it always happens lol
Yes...the difference being the stoppers are useful and the adaptive just feels cooler
😂😂
Lmao right 😭
Immersion is the the entire point of video gaming though, so by proxy it's useful
You xbox players feel like you have the better stuff for "pro" gaming when your "pro" controller is badly engineered and charged 100$ more. What all gaming is about for the average player is immersion. On this not Sony has put way more effort and thought into making their BASE controller the best controller of it's generation for the respectable price of 70$. The illuminated fantasy about that fanbase's green fridge has to stop, mofos can't even play fighting games, and they tryna compare their cheap "pro" controller to the more functional and technologically advanced Dualsense controller when all what is pro about it is the price.
@@RirimoYT 😭😭😭 ur trippen Xbox does have better stuff for "pro" gaming...this comment couldn't be more accurate
The second one looks like the biggest definition of rapid fire mods 😂
Used the adaptive triggers for about a week on my PS5, is great for the 1st few days. Hands tingle afterwards.
It purely for sensation, it’s screwing you in any competitive game, it’s anti realism, elite triggers are more like the real thing any day of the week
@@joeloweryourexpectationsbiden what are you talking about hahahaha
It's added for realism and immersion
@@joeloweryourexpectationsbiden anti-realism?
@@I_TalkSick yea stupid a$$ Sony thought its gonna add realism. But its actually not realistic at all and your hand is going numb in minutes
@@hansi6453 bruh, I'm pretty sure if Xbox tries to show the exact technology/ gimmick the play station used you will praise it aren't you? Contradicting your statements. Smh, let's see in the near future.
at the end of the day it doesnt matter wich controller or what not its still getting thrown across the room when i play dark souls
Same but with elden ring
Just be good and you won't need to do that
@@tangytim6699 FYI i killed an undead soldier with a sword and dogs in dark souls 3 thats like two bosses now can you name anybody who could do that.........oh wait you can't because I'm awesome in dark souls and I do not suck. As a matter of fact ive got mad skills alright just ask my mom she'll confirm it that I'm fucking amazing in dark souls and not totally ass.
@@verygoodlooking5918 just don't throw the controller lmao
@@tangytim6699 Oke maybe
Man: Get me that adaptive trigger controller
Butler: But sir you already have trigger stopper at home
Man: I SAID GET ME THAT ADAPTIVE TRIGGER
Down BAD
@@angrilothangriloth3558 up bad
@@deadpoolthepsycho_________2428 left side and right side BAD
@@deadpoolthepsycho_________2428 inside and outside BAD and BAD BAD
Lmao what’s that dudes tik tok or instagram
Trigger stoppers are the most agrivating angering most uncomfortable thing ive ever felt
I wouldn’t even say it’s comparable, it’s more about contrasting the difference.
Yeah I agree. Btw bro I’m pretty sure “contrasting the difference” isn’t correct maybe just “contrasting” or “identifying the differences”
Word who compares a freaking PS5 Controller to the Xbox's own elite series 2 controller, at least do it with that scuf pro elite PS5 controller or something, yea we got triggers at Xbox so what?
@@swaveydavey1113 as a ps5 owner I say your completely correct what's the point of comparison when there made for different playstyles and purposes
@Neilkudrank Soyons Just, stop doing Console Wars
@Neilkudrank Soyons it’s for immersion stupid 😂 it has nothing to do with performance
The most annoying thing ever is having to switch controllers if you wanna switch to forza or gta
Those switches on the back dictate how far the triggers can travel. Short is good for shooters. Full range for anything else.
You can turn off adaptive trigger
@Daniel Winters wow no shit, it’s almost like Xbox can have trigger stops too🤯dumbass
@@ranchenthusiast5323 but not all trigger stops are like that, take scuf for example, I got a scuf controller a few years ago and you had to take the controller grips off and change them to change the trigger stops or get rid of them
@@zPillz he’s playing on pc that first controller was the xbox elite controller
Next episode: difference between a Windows and a mirror
Ok.. just what I need, the trigger to fight me on pressing it when I'm in a fire fight 😂
Adaptive triggers are incredible for immersion.
Yea I love it on my ps5
Their fun but it grows old fast (at least for me)
I would imagine that they would break faster and use more power tho. So maybe in a year or so they may need replacement
Eh, if its meant to simulate shooting a gun then its off by a wide margin but it is kinda cool
I turn it off when I’m playing online, when I’m playing single player campaigns it’s always on
Borderlands 3 on PS5 with the adaptive triggers is one of the most immersive experiences outside of VR
I'd say Neo G9 is closer to VR than fps's with adaptive triggers. They're pretty good though. I wish they were on my quest 2.
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The adaptive triggers youd want when playing a single player/story game as well as vibration. The stoppers youd want for multiplayer games like cod etc
no wtf, it's about the game design like Returnal literally using 2 completely different attacks on the same button. Its not autofire vs semiauto. Its more like firing your gun vs firing a rocket. You dont wanna waste those rockets, so the adaptive trigger stops you unless you force through it
if games dont design their entire system around it, then yeah its gonna be whatever this stupid argument is. Adaptive triggers are more for PS5 exclusives because they dont transition well into cross-platform
@@Goldie_Roger i was saying it in more of a preference way as in when im playing "tryhard" games i wouldnt want my triggers to vibrate when shooting as well as the whole controller vibrating. But id use those in story games to add to the immersion.
@@Goldie_Roger subjective to be fair
@@jayemx6965 I meant it in an objective matter. What I was trying to say is that the conversation needs to be phrased around the adaptive triggers being a feature rather than an enhancement. XBOX Stoppers are completely different, separate purpose in their own category. PS5 adaptive triggers would work for multiplayer or single player. It's basically just another button that can fit naturally inside the trigger. Instead of having a different button for aiming or zooming the scopes, that can be the adaptive trigger. Zoom and shoot in 1 button. Instead of having 2 different buttons for punches (quick jabs & stronger punches), that's now 1 trigger.
Now think outside the box.
In an RPG, the trigger can be a quick-menu or map, with full-press being the full menu.
This will be even more useful for MMORPG's like FF14 where the triggers are used for hotbars/hotkeys.
Now bringing PC games designed for keyboard/mouse UI interaction will be easy with 2 adaptive triggers.
Ok, so yes, it's just another button. But it's designed into an existing button to make it more intuitive.
Adaptic Triggers and Haptic Feedback are so such great features ❤️🔥
That level in Astro is so satisfying
That feel should be in every shooting game.
I feel like the adaptive triggers would break faster because you’d probably want to press really hard on e triggers when your playing warzone
No one uses them when playing any FPS game
@@heypeter4052 Not true, I use it for cold war multiplayer and it helps in my opinion.
My cousins PS5 adaptive triggers broke not to long ago I agree with you and it happened in under one month
They are REALLY sensitive
@@heypeter4052 can confirm there is a switch for them in war zone apex and fort
I use the top bumpers to aim and shoot, helps a hell of a lot.
Same idk why they changed it from PS3 to ps4
@@troyhilliard5390 Because it feels fucking trash. Back triggers are infinitely better for FPS. You lot are the 0.1% that thinks bumpers are better. Xbox had it right from the start and Sony smartly followed suit.
@@SonGokuuuuuuu people can have preferences you know
@@troyhilliard5390 the inly reason it was l1 and r1 on the ps3 is because the triggers on sixaxis/ds3 were garbage. The same gen used triggers to fire on xbox of course.
I also use L1 and R1 to aim and shoot (in most games), although the adaptive triggers have been very good for non-competitive experiences so I am somewhat transitioning
facts all fps i flip the L1-2 R1-2 shooting is easier more responsive.
The pro players shooting with the R1 button
i love how he never said that ones better than the other it just says “the difference between” like he’s literally just showing y’all the difference and everyone in the comments tryna make a point and argue 😂
The thing is the format is wrong for a true comparison and implies certain things that a fair comparison would not. But you guys wouldn't get that would ya
@@TrevorIsCommenting lol he even owns both chill its just a vid
@@satyyrr yeah we know that's not relevant whatsoever dummy. That's why this is just a video and not anyting informative, it doesn't make anybody want to come back to the channel, it does nothing. The only thing it does is compare between two controllers and you only understand the comparison if you've already understood the mechanisms in the controllers. Why do you say chill? You can't read longer then one sentence without your brain hurting?
@@satyyrr bro wrote a paragraph bout 2 controllers and a channel 🤦🏾♂️
@@shagetback5665 lmao dude has a kit of time on his hands apparently.
Bro y’all be taking those games serious asf 😂🔥
Super fucking serious. Always trying to get an edge, just play the game smh
I use an advanced pc that cost 5k. so i can connect my xbox controller with an aim bot assistant that "isn't technically cheating" increase my refresh rate to maximum speed . So i can pro game jkjk.
@@devintolliver92 The adaptive triggers make you worse at games, it takes slightly more effort to press the trigger down. They are fucking awesome though and so cool with racing games
@@legend7951Nope you can close it if you dont like it and it doesn't affect the game performance . Its just vibration to make games feel more realistic. Im playin everyday
@@Temporarily2ndbestss5K for a piece of hardware getting out performed by PS3’s that the military bought over a car is crazy
I have used the adaptive triggers and i can confidently say they are an amazing feature... that i turned off 5 minutes after buying the console
Are adaptive triggers all that noticeable? For me HD vibration looks like a way better way to make someone feel the recoil or something like that, but having the trigger doing that just looks weird.
@@ivanmunoz9055 if you have a PS5 just disable the Adaptive Triggers, it will distract you in multiplayer games and it damages the controller. (it's a fact that vibration damages controllers over extended usage)
Only use it if you are playing single player games, it's still pretty annoying to switching it in the settings all the time but I still reccomend you disable it.
@@Raskov1945 You need to stop talking out of your ass. It doesn’t damage anything. They were built to withstand it. Yes they may be annoying in competitive games but they’re there for immersion, not convenience
@@Icarus_Qwq go do some research to prevent being a lobotomite who does not know anything about tech.
@@Raskov1945 The PS5 controller isn’t just another easily breakable piece of tech. It’s built to withstand the feedback. You could drop it repeatedly onto concrete if you wanted and it wouldn’t affect anything. New tech is more durable and reliable than the shit you’d normally use. Welcome to the new era
The first time I clocked this in COD Zombies using a shotgun I was so impressed
The best episode on how to open a window and close it
I literally have never seen or heard anyone say that these are the same
I didn't really know about either of these. it was an info video not trying to prove someone wrong
video's saying that Xbox has adaptive triggers and showing trigger stops. So people did think that.
@@joyful_flamingo7400 Well this is useless cause in Egoshooter Comp. Its just annoying
@@prpeptv8463 you did, as it you thought Xbox had adaptive triggers even tho it clearly states it has trigger stoppers and vibrating triggers. Comparing the vibrating triggers and adaptive triggers could be a thing but trigger stoppers as well as the whole elite controller are made for a completely different purpose
@@heithyboi i meant that i did see people who thought that, not that I thought that. Sorry for my dumb writing.
The adapsive triggers won't help you at all when you have to spam a pistol 😂
You can turn it off and on and even turn off for specific guns.
@@davidstockman1456 fr?
Why it won't help ?
@@davidstockman1456 seriously ¿, even if so, I feel like for me personally it wouldn't help cause I don't pull the triggers lightly, so wouldn't I possibly break the motor?
@@loicnasser1826 that back and fourth motion, matches the rythim of the bullets in game, but with a pistol there is no motion cause the gun is semi auto so the triggers would just go all the way
Finally someone shows it. That's lit.
This clears up an argument I had with my family
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And people where upset when their Joycon stopped working. This is going to break even faster
You got any evidence, a reasonable theory as to why this might happen? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
@@succboi7439 the motors will break down and with how a lot of games are shooters is not gonna help and rapid motion is also a reason
@@deporitazz that's just your theory tho. If it happens the you can be all happy about it but for now stfu kid
@@Mysta-Kun dude asked for a theory on why then he gave it so actually fuck off
@@deporitazz it would be cool for single player games
After finally trying the adaptive triggers, I can say that is one of the most unique technologies I ever experienced in my life.
It’s kinda useless though
And it really isn’t that advanced
Up ya arse.
After finally trying the dualsense, I can say that stick drift is one of the most epic fails I ever experienced with ps
@@TheThomas13 wtf are you doing to your controller that you already have stick drift?! I've been using my ps5 almost everyday since launch for games like cod and still no problems with dualsense
This is the kid that looks up “new madden vs new call of duty” 😅
Love the adaptive triggers on my ps5 controllers, can't wait for more games implemented with it
Games: no one
I lowkey feel like those triggers would be distracting af sometimes
@@blainemathis985 it's dope especially in Returnal
@@blainemathis985 their so trash on sports games overall not a fan
@@axeldodger0128 why would you turn that on in a sports game
"This isn't full auto, this is."
*BRRRRRRRRR*
is that from that air soft video or whatever the games called?
@@SagAChimpot Yep, the famous "no full auto in buildings"
The block is for competitive games and where you have to press more times (maybe to shoot a pistol faster on Modern Warfare), and it's hard with adaptive triggers, because their path is longer so it takes longer to reach their contact patch that makes them register the trigger being pressed
That’s why mortal Kombat doesn’t have adaptive trigger features all of us competitive players would be super mad but you always get the option to take it off so I love it
Whenever playing competitive online always turn off Adaptive Triggers for PS5 its cool for Story mode but not Online Gaming 👍🏽
@@redscorpion9325 considering sony's exclusive is mostly story game, i still think it is a great move. nintendo and sony's always few steps ahead in term of controller inovation.
@@naufal3038 Microsoft is above sony in innovation of controllers
Love the adaptive trigger function
A few months later the springs inside the triggers broke and the joy sticks started drifting. 😂
Right? Meanwhile my elite controller is still a beast.
@@puropsychobilly3995 Ah yes the $200 controller that still has stick drift, like every other modern controller.
@@Random_Guy_JK you're getting ripped my guy i paid 150 lol look for deals brotha.
@@Random_Guy_JK but still lasts more than a few months. 😂
@@puropsychobilly3995 $150 for a shitty controller for a console with shit games? Loooool
The difference between them is that one’s already hooked up to your console
What??
Trigger stoppers is to make pressing time shorter for competitive use and adaptive triggers is for immersion
I don’t think anyone but the creator of this video needed this
Idk why but it moving up and down and the sound effects made me laugh
It literally sounds like The jellies being shot out
That's the in game volume
More like “difference between Immersion triggers and performance triggers”
The difference is the trigger stop gives you an advantage, the adaptive trigger gives you an disadvantage but more immersion
Just change the triggers to the bumpers
That’s why I use the adaptive triggers in story driven games not competitive ones I don’t really like competitive multiplayer. :/
@@Skept1cal_269 yea comp is too much effort against guys who play it 24 7
I like the x box elite controller cause it makes the trigger into a mouse click and you don’t have to adjust it like on other controllers, it’s really nice for games that require driving and shooting you don’t have to constantly switch back and forth
Plot twist: He just pressing really fast
Possible
And xbox one is he just stopping his finger
@@joerisimmanuel9156 hes not that's theres 3 settings to the trigger stop on the elite controller
@@user-fr3vu4pb3h I know I have the Controler but not the console
No he’s not
I don't want my trigger going crazy when I'm trying to pop off rounds. I want precision. Entirely different features for entirely different purposes.
Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I turn it off but it’s cool in some games. Cod it’s too much sometimes.
@@Oneforall20871 yeah it seems too distracting in anything competitive. But for an immersive single player experience, hell yeah!
If you want precision don’t play console. LOL
@@zitiadventures6769 Not everyone is comfortable with a keyboard and mouse, and some people enjoy sitting in a comfortable chair or couch. LOL
Don't forget to ALWAYS keep your charge cable close. That shit last only 2 hours
Been there done that.
Wait for your dualsense controller
Nah, more like 4 and a half.
mines lasts like 6 hours what are you smoking
Wdym?? Mine lasts like 7-8 hours
When i first got my ps5 i got hell let loose as my fisrt game and i thought my remote triggers were broke or something cause they was hard asf to pull. It took me a while but i finally figured out it was meant to be like that and i had to turn it off😂
These two things exist for two different purposes
Now I see why those triggers are messing up, it doesn’t just add resistance but it also pushes back to reset and has plastic gears
That's just force feedback
How did you see that?
@@b0d00d look at his finger it bounces forward after he pushes it in. If you have a tight grip on it you’ll be pushing on the gears pretty hard
Plastic gears will be a problem in the long run for sure
It's called turning it off? Also you know most games don't have it as intense as Astros lol many games are subtle
They turned the trigger recoil from the elite 2 into a real thing
The elite 2 dont got adaptive triggers doe
@@awildmoose6541 everyone knows this already
all i know is when i was chopping down a tree as Kratos it made it harder to press and that was mind opening. i love the ps5's immersion
Ones to shoot faster, the other is to feel the shooting
POV: he’s never went outside
POV: You're Jealous
@@Obin_ nah I’m not jealous people who have a setup like that really don’t go outside like my cousin
Grown up
@@venix.o8038 what’s with his setup?
@@hitoshura7 I don’t know what’s with this dude making assumptions of a person of his set up. Harassing a dude because he got a keyboard, monitor, and a ps5.
"Time to bump fire my Playstation"
Lolllll
Second controller might be my new 🌹 toy! 😂
This guys got a point that when shooting we don’t need to fully press down love the adaptive triggers on my ps5
That’s not what’s happening. The fire rates the same. And you’re holding it down, but the adaptive trigger is just picking up the game’s rof, and pushing back when you fire another round. It’s for immersion. It doesn’t give you any advantage what so ever
The trigger stoppers make the trigger press go from 20mm to 1.2mm which is much shorter. The adaptive triggers are more for immersion
@@sniper_snipessnipes4970 mean while the trigger stoppers do give you a blatant advantage. Which I personally like, even though I'm a filthy casual.
Both actuate the triggers with the same slight press... some game's programming allow for different functions with fully depressed triggers as compared to not fully depressed triggers... c.o.d. just touch the trigger... but RDR2 need a full depression for some functions. Having a switch with limited travel however allows for speed semi auto shooting. Something you won't get with adaptive trigger 😆 ...
@@MischievousChef amen
It doesn’t matter because you can turn off and tweak the adaptive triggers on the PS5 “In the Trigger Effect Intensity submenu, you can tweak the adaptive triggers on your DualSense pad by selecting Strong (the default setting), Medium, Weak, or Off. Assuming that you want to completely turn off adaptive triggers, rather than just reduce the feature's impact, select Off.”
But it does because u can’t do that on xbox
If you want to use it on pc there is a program you can get but it's manual, so you have to put the values of the gun in yourself using sliders, still great though
Plot twist: He switches back to using elite controller after finishing recording.
Nah man after that show you gotta pick dualsense 5 not anything about console war but just saying i would pick ps5 and others would agree
@@destroyer2689 I don't think people who play on pc will use dual sense to get a competitive edge. No offence, I am not a console user either.
@@FS-me8mj why use a controller on pc? Most games on pc and better with keyboard and mouse. Want a competitive edge use keyboard and mouse.
@@user-xy9lv6kk2j depends on your preference. Some people prefer free movement to movement via arrow keys and mouse.
@@FS-me8mj still doesn't give you a competitive edge, if you want a competitive edge you use keyboard and mouse. I prefer controllers 100% to keyboard and mouse cause they are more comfortable for long term gaming but when it comes to wanting a competitive edge, forget controllers.
Edit: unless its a racing game
You know what's fun, in gta, you can feel every pebble on the road with this, but if you mute your game, you can actually hear the tires. In the end, vibration and noise are the same
The motors in those PS5 triggers are gonna fry so quick. They have to be tiny, and with repetitive motion like that I would be extremely surprised if those controllers even last a year.
They already have been. People have been sending back their controllers due to the triggers
lmao sounds like you regret buying an xbox
@@beyondmylife779 Not one? I've already had to buy a new one because the drift in the stick and the motor going out in the trigger. And unsurprisingly Sony is not willing to back up their own warranty. I thought they got a little annoying after a while anyway but my kid likes them.
@@beyondmylife779 Yeah it has been reported. Do you really think Sony cares?
@@canadianbacon8545 what does it have to do with the ps5 controller?
the way he moved the camera to show the ps5 😂
We already knew it was a ps5 in the beginning???
Is the stick drift a feature too?
i honestly feel like the stick drift on the new consoles have over exaggerated. i’ve dropped my ps5 controller over 30 times and yet no stick drift
@@valzy76 sometimes you have it sometimes you don’t, one of my controllers has really bad stick drift and the other one doesn’t have any problems at all
@@valzy76 bruh, do you coat your hands in Butter before you play your PS5?
@@yaboysix nah, just sometimes i be scrolling through my phone and it drops off of my lap
@@valzy76 it's not from dropping the controller. Controllers develop drift over time of usage and pressing the button too hard a lot of times or just dust accumulating inside the controller can cause it.