The screwing of the Apple Family timeline drove me nuts when I first saw this episode. If Filthy and Spoiled are engaged, then Diamond Tiara hasn’t been born yet, and as she’s the same age as Apple Bloom, then AJ’s parents had to be alive during that story. Really wish they’d included a quick line about how “Mom and Dad are in Appleoosa visiting family” or something.
Pear Butter wouldn't go to Vanhoover because Grand Pear doesn't consider her family for marrying into the Apples. My theory is they were offscreen either making Apple Bloom or at the doctor's office.
@@solaris9426 That would be the exact reason they would go to Vanhoover. To try and mend the rift between the families knowing Grand Pear had never met his grandchildren. Especially if they were planning to have a third at the time travelling beforehand would have been smarter.
@@MuffinHunterX i agree. And it is implied that he at least recieved letters or something from Pear Butter. If we had gotten something more saying how he knew or something..... I would accept Pear Butter and Bright Mac trying to include him in the lives of his grandchildren. Maybe wanting him to be the first to know about Apple Bloom, having not told Granny Smith or anypony else yet. They could've told Granny that they went to Vanhoover in order to try and expand apple business, while hidimg the fact that they went to try and patch things up with Grand Pear.
Aa... now that's what the "Granny tells the story to Applebloom" was there for. Bright MacIntosh and Buttercup/Pear Butter aren't mentioned because Granny never told them anything about their parents. (The siblings had to go all around to learn about them). More like "got so upset she couldn't talk" if anything about them or pears was so much as mentioned.
Seriously, during that 1 hospital scene you didn't notice the Derpy in the background with bandages covering her eyes? That was some serious foreshadowing, ya know
"It's nothing harmful." Oh, I disagree intensely. Big Mac saying he should've kept his mouth shut when the main thing he was doing was trying to talk Applejack out of the horrible stuff she was doing, was an extremely harmful lesson. And when he wasn't talking Applejack out, he was just saying how he felt and entertaining guests, which there's nothing wrong with.
Shady Doorags yeah, from that perspective, I agree how that can be harmful. I meant not harmful in the Meta sense of “it’s not the episode of the show that makes it implode”. Yknow one of those universally hated episodes that makes people’s overall opinions of the show suffer, or is a universally divided episode that causes infighting. I should’ve been more clear on that part ^^;
to me the episode seems to imply that he never listened to Applejack in general, not just this time. He loved to talk about his opinions, his ideas, about how he was right, but as AJ said in the episode “And you don’t ever have to listen to anypony else.” So I must ask, why would she listen to him? Why would she listen to someone who never gave her the time of day to listen to her ideas and what she was thinking? I will argue that this whole problem could and probably would have been avoided if Big Mac would have started listening and actually had a conversation with his sister long before this event happened. Your more likely to listen to someone who listens to you as well.
@@Cy-Kill_01 That would be shifting the blame. Though it is clear that AJ made the decision partially to shut her brother up who was indeed being obnoxiously talkative, Big Mac's actions had no *direct* influence on AJ's decision-making. It doesn't matter how much you do something I don't like, if I decide to punch you in the face, that act is on me. And while I can see Big Mac's actions in the past making his sister less likely to listen to him, the alternative to the current situation would be for him to not speak up about how what AJ was doing was a bad idea, making him even more complicit than he already was. His past actions may have been debatably wrong, but that doesn't stop his current actions from being right. I must also ask, how much did AJ listen to him? Because it seems to me that as much talking Big Mac does, AJ was constantly brushing off the things he said just as much, if not more, than him brushing her off. He, himself, had his own philosophy on how the farm should best be run.
Shady Doorags I don’t disagree that Applejack is at fault, I never said she wasn’t, and I wasn’t trying to shift the blame. AJ and Big Mac are both stubborn to a fault, and yes both didn’t listen to each other. However, to me at least, Big Mac was brushing off AJ more than she was to him. He absolutely refused to listen to any of her ideas, saying things like “ideas are all well and good, but you can’t plow a field with ‘em.” That phrase from him alone seems just makes him seem Like he is condescending to Applejack. No, he isn’t responsible for applejack lying, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t help lead to the event this episode was about. The him not talking much and listening to me isn’t because of the events of the episode but because he didn’t want these events to happen again. To me it’s trying to say that sometimes it’s best to shut up and listen to people and actually have a conversation, and not an argument or a fight.
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For the Big Mac part, I figured he was saying that all the time he was speaking, he was saying nothing. He kept being sarcastic towards AJ and repeating everything she said to reinforcing the what he felt was wrong, but because of the way he was doing it, it seemed like it made AJ double down on the lies and not thinking anything through.
Not really. He was in the right to call AJ out on her idiocy. And even if he was inadvertently influencing AJ to lie more, than he should state what AJ should be doing which once again means he needs to speak more often.
@@GoldenFoxPictures he doesn't talk often due to him not listening which made her jump the gun to accept the deal which started a domino effect of lying. Not that hard. But yes he was in the right. Still doesn't change the fact how all this started
you know, Keyframe brought up a good point, the ponies that say "AJ NEVER LIES" have never really been around her when she actually did lie, not just Apple Bloom. The Flim-Flam Brothers say she never lies because she only did it due to them twisting her hoof, and even then she came out and told the truth anyway, and they have only been in 3 episodes....is there anyone else that says AJ never lies?
Also, FlimFlam don't think "lie by omission" or "exact words" counts as lying. AJ said hesitantly "it seems to work for Granny" (which was true, though of course AJ had her doubts) and then FlimFlam loudly exploit that (and AJ shuts up but feels guilty about even that much). If anyone really paid attention to what AJ actually said, I doubt they'd take it to mean she approved of the placebo tonic. I suppose AJ learned about the dishonesty of "lie by omission" and "Exact Words" during the Leap of Faith. She sure did "exact words" before. (Such as "tell you at breakfast" and skipping breakfast to avoid telling).
Big mac literally wears the thing that helps ponies plow the fields, around his neck. What I can gather from his line is that he plowed the fields so thoroughly and also planted the seeds whilst doing so that the trees grew so tall
amber margheim That could be a possibility, but if you look at the episode “Going To Seed” [don’t know the writers thought that was gonna be a good episode title] then you’ll see that Applebloom was born when Applejack didn’t have her cutiemark
Of course they glossed over the part where AJ yells at Big Mac that he needs to stop going on and on about a problem if he's not going to help fix it. AJ is still really, really dumb in this episode, but I really like that line.
Except that AJ was specifically asking for help to fix the problem without doing the right thing. Big Mac WAS trying to solve the problem by attempting to convince AJ to tell the truth, but she didn't want to do it that way. Her line about "shut up if you're not going to help" doesn't work because the help she's referring to would make things worse.
@@ShadyDoorags If he was trying to help then he should've told the truth from the very beginning. If anything he is at fault as Applejack is for constantly nagging on her, letting her be in charge and lie, without doing much of anything or telling Granny the truth.
@@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 Big Mac did indeed try to tell the truth from the beginning, but AJ stopped him. Big Mac - "You see, Granny's--" AJ - "SICK!" After that point, Big Mac telling the truth on behalf of AJ would've made things worse for her. Admittedly, things wouldn't have been bad as they got with AJ lying, but the best solution was for AJ herself to tell the truth, which Big Mac was trying to let her know. He is guilty for being complicit, but this is not just as much his fault. Yes, he could've prevented the situation, but he's not the one who caused it.
@@ShadyDoorags Big Mac may not be the one to caused it, but him continuing nagging her to tell the truth sure didn't help things. If he only made one attempt to tell the truth and completely went with the lie that Applejack made then that just lazy on his part.
@@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 Of course someone constantly telling you the correct answer to your problem isn't going to help if YOU continue not to listen. Big Mac only made one attempt to tell Rich because, at the time, AJ hadn't lied to him. She just made a bad call and Big Mac was doing the professional thing and explaining that the one in charge of the Apples, Granny Smith, wasn't going to allow the deal. Any reasonable businessman from that point on would take it up with Granny because complaining to AJ and Big Mac would be pointless. The reason that Big Mac no longer attempted to explain the truth was because it was no longer about a bad call. His sister lied. What Big Mac did wasn't lazy, it was giving AJ the chance to get herself out of the hole she dug, because if Big Mac had come out and said his sister lied, this would've put her in a worse light than if she simply confessed. This is a much different scenario than simply explaining how upper management didn't approve the deal they made. No, Big Mac shouldn't have kept quiet if the alternative meant to continue lying to Rich, but the reason he did keep quiet was because AJ confessing to Rich was a much better solution than Big Mac doing it. AJ was the one who decided to continually ignore his advice and keep lying. That's why he continued to hark on AJ, because she wasn't listening to what was clearly the correct answer to the situation, telling the truth. If AJ had simply listened the first time, Big Mac wouldn't have had to keep repeating himself.
Considering his father was named Bright Macintosh, I kinda wonder if either Big Mac's real name is just Macintosh...or if maybe he was originally named after his father and is legally "Bright Macintosh Jr." or something like that.
That's what I always thought it was something like that too since on one side of my family, my dad is called Big John and my brother was called Little John.
Makes sense. My family for a few generations always had one daughter be named either Jean or Loretta while the first son was named after the father, that's why we have three generations of Thomas and Joseph.
My headcannon is that "MacIntosh" is the [second part of the full name] of Granny Smith´s (unnamed, unknown) husband [the father of "Bright MacIntosh"]. Then, it is tradition for the firstborn colt to inherit it as their temporary "full name" (likely registered as such in Ponyville´s archives), until they choose to add a first name for themselves (likely to happen around when they get their cutiemark). Note: This "tradition" has nothing to do with the "Smith" family [the original owners of the _ground area_ were "Sweet Apple Acres" was eventually _named_ to separate it legally from the nearby area of "Ponyville"]. -> But is probably mandatory for the "Apple Clan" to recognize the heir of a particular branch; as their continous help and support was likely NECESARY given that the "Smiths" were inmigrants coming from far away into the "Kingdom of Canterlot" [so they did not had other close relatives to rely on difficult times].
hold on, there are pony's using the only washing machine and you don't charge it as a way to get "slight boost" of profit... for the base budget ofc XP
why is SilverQuill in therapy again? Wait...what did he do? the only reason he'd be in there if he messed up or about to mess up... Wait where did the portal to the human world go?
This episode reminds me a lot of Larry Boy and the Fib From Outer Space. Sure there’s no giant monster destroying Ponyville at the end with AJ as a captive, but the idea is still there. “A little fib couldn’t hurt anybody.”
I think what they may have been trying to say with Big Mac learning to talk less was not that he should't have tried to talk sense into AJ, but that he should have been more conciderate and listened to her ideas. If he had listened to her ideas prior to this and had not constaintly been writing off her ideas as nonsense like we see him do in the very beggining of the flashback, she wouldn't have been so desperate to prove herself and therefore probably wouldn't have made such a rash decision. Even if she had been about to make the decision, she would also be more likely to listen to any objections Big Mac would have had because she would know that he wouldn't be condecending and lecturing like he is in the flashback.
I've really missed you two a lot, well done on the collab Firebrand and Keyframe! Keyframe especially, she is just amazing when it comes to being hilarous! See you next time and i hope you're enjoying 2019 so far!
6:23 I could see this working if this character, Filthy Rich, tacked on the words "Outside of Equestria" or "Outside of Ponyville" at the end of his pitch. This would make sense more than having the Apples have Filthy sell their cider in his store for less profit. Also, that change of making Filthy and Granny both know that Applejack is lying would've made the whole episode so funny, by the sounds of it.
@@NoMercy745 I watched from 0:00 to about the 12 minute mark on his main channel before I saw the notification that Josh uploaded it on this channel. I realized, "Ah, he dun goofed and initially uploaded the video to the wrong channel".
i mean it's for the same reason why some poeple keep fishs or pet rocks....they don't really do anything....except sit there and look pritty....and i guess you can pick them up ad throw them at you enemies n
I wonder if this episode could have worked better if Big Mac also told a few lies himself? Or if he accidentally insulted a lot of ponies or something along that line? I think that would be a better explanation for how he ended up being so quiet and reserved.
I would also like to point out that it has been hinted, although never confirmed, which is definitely a bummer, that the Apple family and the Pie family are distantly related. So it may be possible that Cloudy used to be in Apple.
So as a foal Big Mac states the obvious and as a Stallion he states almost nothing unless magic is involved. Yeah that sounds like most of the farmers in my town.
As someone who lives with a sister and a mother, it is indeed proper, and even helpful, for men to handle women's laundry. In fact, from personal experience, women love men who aren't squeamish about getting and handling feminine stuff like underwear, pads, etc.
Um, Is it dark that i think the only reason FIlthy's marrying Spoiled Milk is because she got herself Pregnant with DT and is blackmailing him and since he's a good stallion, he's staying for the Foal's Sake?
This episode was a delight, Keyframe you are awesome and the back and forth between her and Firebrand was great. Wish I could say the same for the mlp episode itself.
Do you really liked Project Horizons Your Blackjack profile pic confirmed it is I really hated Project Horizons Because the story's words is very long & it's a complete shit!
Also another reason why I hate Project Horizons Because one of the characters,Rampage give nightmares to me I always have nightmares about her trying to kill me in the similar manners of slasher in slasher movies
@@littlepipthelightbringer4197 h-how old are you . . . should you be reading fallout equestria? Its scary and has big words isn't reason enough to hate something. You're being a bit prosaic with your rhetoric. FOEPH gave plenty of warning and rampage is better than that. She might be a little scary, but she is a kind child at heart.
@@puerileprolific7620 I'm actually Littlepip from Fallout:Equestria Fallout:Equestria is not scary for me, because it's actually my story But Rampage is actually scary Her speaking voice is just creepy & her armor just look very scary to me
The reason Big Mac needed to talk less is because he never listened to Applejack's ideas and brushed them off. If he had, she might have talked with Big Mac about the deal instead of making it on her own. Then Big Mac could have explained why it was a bad idea or that they should talk to Granny instead of sounding like all her ideas are trash.
Her ideas were already terrible from the beginning! In fact he was interrupted when trying to talk to Filthy Rich before AJ claimed Granny was sick! It lead Big Mac to nearly getting his fucking leg amputated for Christ's sake! Based on this experience, he SHOULD speak up for more often before problems like this escalate at Applejack's expense. And based on her prideful harm in Applebuck Season when Big Mac stated the obvious about handling the entire field just proves how morally unhealthy it is in keeping your mouth shut when problems need to be addressed. Having Big Mac say "Yep" and "Nope" all the time with no privilege of saying anything else according Granny's interruption in Pinkie Apple Pie is like making Dash say "20% Cooler" too much or have Derpy say "I just don't know what went wrong" in every cameo she appears in. It gets repetitive and it overstates its welcome. I'm sorry but there's just no logical explanation behind this mess!
@@GoldenFoxPictures If older people constantly disregard every idea you have, you're either going to a) think you're useless or, in applejack's case, b) stop listening to them to prove you're right. From my perspective, Applejack had lost respect for Big Mac's opinion. However, I do agree that this wasn't a good reason for Big Mac to *stop* talking. He just needed to talk in a more open/gentle manner instead of going on about how bad her plans were. Take it from a stubborn person, how you say things *really* determines if I'm going to listen.
13:19. So Firebrand does know how to use a Medic Gun. Just wrong ammo. Awesome review everyone I really enjoyed this. Have a wonderful day Keyframe and Firebrand.
I get your position about big mac being right but the problem with the episode is that he talks alot. he just scolds Applejack and repeats himself or just the situation alot. If he had just been more willing to talk With her and not At her this probably would of been resolved with in the first few minutes of the episode. Or perhaps if he had simply talked to filthy rich instead of expecting Applejack to fix it given she is at the time the young one and not mature and speaking out of line for the family it would of been over. So yes it does kind of make sense that this all impacted him speaking only the minimal amount. He realized his own ideal of speaking frankly and honestly doesn't need to be so wordy.
@@EpicFableBean You know trying to avoid self-reflection because 'it wasn't the topic' just continues to make you look like the jerk and someone I wouldn't want to discuss the main topic with to start with. You have 2 good options here, stop posting on this thread and thus stop giving me reason to dislike you, or actually realize my initial point stands and you should probably take some time to consider how you treat others. (There are other things you can do but these are the only 2 that can be classified as good.)
Wow. A whole review of this episode without a single mention of Derpy's apparently failed childhood eye procedure. I can't decide whether I'm impressed by your restraint or disappointed.
Think of this we are watching their remembrance of this event, they may have forgotten some important issues and how they are dressed the problems. How often do you forget minor details of an event, every time you retell it, you paint yourself in the best light possible, and so your memory of the event changes to match.
Yeah I'll just say it. DWK satirized this whole episode pretty well. AB just wants her part of the apple family to actually have financial security by allowing the apple family's products to be mass distributed instead of having people come to their farm to get what they're selling. It's why she's eager to sell their product out to the Flim Flam brothers (back when they were actually sincere and sold people genuine goods and services) and Filthy Rich while Applejack, Big Mac, and Granny Smith would rather them always be one disaster away from financial ruin and bankruptcy because "Family traditions and handcrafted quality".
@@williamharmon4039 Well the other big issue is that it's just Big Mac and Applejack that go out and do any sort of field work. Maybe if they hired some farm hands to help out with havesting and such, they could maybe then afford to mass distribute.
oh Keyframe hearing your sweet voice in these colab reviews makes my day so much better etherway Where The Apple Lies is one of my least favorite AppleJack episodes
i love seeing big Mac talk, he was such an interesting character in applebuck season. calling applejack out and actually being a charecter not just a catchphrase.
10:40 I think the most likely solution is his name is Apple Mac he has gone from a burger to a computer. It would explain why the apples all have apple in their name except Big Mac
Huh,just thought of something. The Reason why there wasn't a baby Applebloom in the flash back is because she wasn't born yet. If Filthy Rich hasn't married Spoiled yet, then that mean Diamond Tiara hasn't been born yet and if Diamond and Applebloom are the same age then Applebloom would be born yet either. Also A.J. was hatless, so there is a good chance that her parents are still alive assuming that is infact her fathers hat.
The reason why she made the deal was because she felt like noone was listening to her ideas at all since her brother kept talking over her, so when filthy rich was listening to her ideas it went to her head a little.
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Her nose bent up from getting up in people’s faces
😯 he said people
@@WhiteDarkness3113 They have personhood, so they're people.
@@AubriGryphon I was referencing their Wizard of oz video on the rift cafe or secret rift video
Raider 86 *Illuminati confirmed!*
Ofc she is a spoiled brat and a gold digger
The screwing of the Apple Family timeline drove me nuts when I first saw this episode. If Filthy and Spoiled are engaged, then Diamond Tiara hasn’t been born yet, and as she’s the same age as Apple Bloom, then AJ’s parents had to be alive during that story. Really wish they’d included a quick line about how “Mom and Dad are in Appleoosa visiting family” or something.
Agreed, though visiting Vanhoover might be a better excuse since Appleoosa didn't exist back then.
Pear Butter wouldn't go to Vanhoover because Grand Pear doesn't consider her family for marrying into the Apples. My theory is they were offscreen either making Apple Bloom or at the doctor's office.
@@solaris9426 That would be the exact reason they would go to Vanhoover. To try and mend the rift between the families knowing Grand Pear had never met his grandchildren. Especially if they were planning to have a third at the time travelling beforehand would have been smarter.
@@MuffinHunterX i agree. And it is implied that he at least recieved letters or something from Pear Butter. If we had gotten something more saying how he knew or something..... I would accept Pear Butter and Bright Mac trying to include him in the lives of his grandchildren. Maybe wanting him to be the first to know about Apple Bloom, having not told Granny Smith or anypony else yet. They could've told Granny that they went to Vanhoover in order to try and expand apple business, while hidimg the fact that they went to try and patch things up with Grand Pear.
Aa... now that's what the "Granny tells the story to Applebloom" was there for. Bright MacIntosh and Buttercup/Pear Butter aren't mentioned because Granny never told them anything about their parents. (The siblings had to go all around to learn about them). More like "got so upset she couldn't talk" if anything about them or pears was so much as mentioned.
Firebrand is too shy to touch his fiancee's underwear. ...He's so precious. :D
Innocence.
but then who wouldnt
It’s kind of adorable
@@stardusttodorki2679 yep
So adorable and wholesome :3
"We don't usually wear clothes"
And yet I believe Firebrand would look very naked without his vest/jacket thing.
Don't you think you're taking this quote too seriously?
Seriously, during that 1 hospital scene you didn't notice the Derpy in the background with bandages covering her eyes? That was some serious foreshadowing, ya know
That means her eyes were either messed up in an accident, or she suffered a botched corrective eye surgery.
@@JCBro-yg8vd Or her eyes were always that way but a corrective surgery failed.
Keyframe Blackmailing Firebrand is golden. The episode is weird in some of it's elements, but at least best medics get to work together.
Is it GOLDENFOX
Thats the #GoldenReason (please don't kill me) why I'm here!
"It's nothing harmful."
Oh, I disagree intensely. Big Mac saying he should've kept his mouth shut when the main thing he was doing was trying to talk Applejack out of the horrible stuff she was doing, was an extremely harmful lesson. And when he wasn't talking Applejack out, he was just saying how he felt and entertaining guests, which there's nothing wrong with.
Shady Doorags yeah, from that perspective, I agree how that can be harmful. I meant not harmful in the Meta sense of “it’s not the episode of the show that makes it implode”. Yknow one of those universally hated episodes that makes people’s overall opinions of the show suffer, or is a universally divided episode that causes infighting.
I should’ve been more clear on that part ^^;
Btw, love your Bojack videos!
to me the episode seems to imply that he never listened to Applejack in general, not just this time. He loved to talk about his opinions, his ideas, about how he was right, but as AJ said in the episode
“And you don’t ever have to listen to anypony else.”
So I must ask, why would she listen to him? Why would she listen to someone who never gave her the time of day to listen to her ideas and what she was thinking? I will argue that this whole problem could and probably would have been avoided if Big Mac would have started listening and actually had a conversation with his sister long before this event happened. Your more likely to listen to someone who listens to you as well.
@@Cy-Kill_01 That would be shifting the blame. Though it is clear that AJ made the decision partially to shut her brother up who was indeed being obnoxiously talkative, Big Mac's actions had no *direct* influence on AJ's decision-making. It doesn't matter how much you do something I don't like, if I decide to punch you in the face, that act is on me. And while I can see Big Mac's actions in the past making his sister less likely to listen to him, the alternative to the current situation would be for him to not speak up about how what AJ was doing was a bad idea, making him even more complicit than he already was. His past actions may have been debatably wrong, but that doesn't stop his current actions from being right.
I must also ask, how much did AJ listen to him? Because it seems to me that as much talking Big Mac does, AJ was constantly brushing off the things he said just as much, if not more, than him brushing her off. He, himself, had his own philosophy on how the farm should best be run.
Shady Doorags I don’t disagree that Applejack is at fault, I never said she wasn’t, and I wasn’t trying to shift the blame. AJ and Big Mac are both stubborn to a fault, and yes both didn’t listen to each other. However, to me at least, Big Mac was brushing off AJ more than she was to him. He absolutely refused to listen to any of her ideas, saying things like “ideas are all well and good, but you can’t plow a field with ‘em.” That phrase from him alone seems just makes him seem Like he is condescending to Applejack.
No, he isn’t responsible for applejack lying, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t help lead to the event this episode was about. The him not talking much and listening to me isn’t because of the events of the episode but because he didn’t want these events to happen again. To me it’s trying to say that sometimes it’s best to shut up and listen to people and actually have a conversation, and not an argument or a fight.
5:43 “We’ve only seen two marriages during the show’s runtime”
Pear Butter and Bright Mac: Hold our ciders.
Speaking of which, that episode actually answered FB’s question at 5:07.
Oh dear these two in the same room? *Grabs the popcorn* ^W^
My thoughts exactly
One bucket of popcorn! you think that's going to suffice.
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.... Kinda wish doc was here and is some.one gonna help keyframe out ?
Lightning Bliss can I have some of that popcorn please blissy? ☺️
For the Big Mac part, I figured he was saying that all the time he was speaking, he was saying nothing.
He kept being sarcastic towards AJ and repeating everything she said to reinforcing the what he felt was wrong, but because of the way he was doing it, it seemed like it made AJ double down on the lies and not thinking anything through.
Not really. He was in the right to call AJ out on her idiocy. And even if he was inadvertently influencing AJ to lie more, than he should state what AJ should be doing which once again means he needs to speak more often.
@@GoldenFoxPictures he doesn't talk often due to him not listening which made her jump the gun to accept the deal which started a domino effect of lying. Not that hard. But yes he was in the right. Still doesn't change the fact how all this started
*Aramau:* Is that _really_ what we're ending on?
*Firebrand:* Eeyup.
*Me:* ROFL
My theory is thatthe whole lie thing happened in the span of just a few hours and that baby Applebloom just slept through it all
But you don't leave a baby alone at home. That is neglect.
Grammar Nazi or this presented event were imagined by Applebloom or Jack, without any other details, like consequences
Family friendly channel...with suggestive undergarments and cosplay.
Sure, why not.
To be fair, gravity falls is considered family friendly, and look at the show at its darkest.
@JohnySkulls 87 What would you be referring to? I’ve said a lot of stupid things in the past.
"Her name should be poured down the sink." - Firebrand.
Took me some time to get that joke! 😂 Nice review from you both!
In a way, she reminds me of the snooty wife of the mercantile owner from Little House on the Prairie.
"Spoiled" Rich
Haha
«Она такая, никакая-никакая/Ну шо ты в ней нашуёл?» ("She is so, so, not [good]/Why does he like her?") -- Alla Pugacheva, "Madam Broshkina"
you know, Keyframe brought up a good point, the ponies that say "AJ NEVER LIES" have never really been around her when she actually did lie, not just Apple Bloom. The Flim-Flam Brothers say she never lies because she only did it due to them twisting her hoof, and even then she came out and told the truth anyway, and they have only been in 3 episodes....is there anyone else that says AJ never lies?
Hi Snake. Fancy meeting you here.
@@RemLasher77 hey rem
Also, FlimFlam don't think "lie by omission" or "exact words" counts as lying. AJ said hesitantly "it seems to work for Granny" (which was true, though of course AJ had her doubts) and then FlimFlam loudly exploit that (and AJ shuts up but feels guilty about even that much). If anyone really paid attention to what AJ actually said, I doubt they'd take it to mean she approved of the placebo tonic.
I suppose AJ learned about the dishonesty of "lie by omission" and "Exact Words" during the Leap of Faith. She sure did "exact words" before. (Such as "tell you at breakfast" and skipping breakfast to avoid telling).
Mlp: Apple Jack has never lied
Me: "Okay I believe you"
Please take your “Just a Pancake” memes to the farthest storage box and keep it there. Thank you.
Ok, We believe you.
-_-; ...Why?
Um okay
I call BullShit
Big mac literally wears the thing that helps ponies plow the fields, around his neck. What I can gather from his line is that he plowed the fields so thoroughly and also planted the seeds whilst doing so that the trees grew so tall
Hey, I think the reason why the Apple parents aren’t present in the episode, it’s because they were somewhere in Equestria making Applebloom
23:00
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM WATCHA SAY.......................
sebastian banguis
Lols
How about she was giving birth to apple bloom. And he was with her, so granny watched the kids.
amber margheim
That could be a possibility, but if you look at the episode “Going To Seed” [don’t know the writers thought that was gonna be a good episode title] then you’ll see that Applebloom was born when Applejack didn’t have her cutiemark
maddy miller
4 months ago, “Going to Seed” wasn’t out to the public, so debunking their comment was a little unnecessary.
Of course they glossed over the part where AJ yells at Big Mac that he needs to stop going on and on about a problem if he's not going to help fix it. AJ is still really, really dumb in this episode, but I really like that line.
Except that AJ was specifically asking for help to fix the problem without doing the right thing. Big Mac WAS trying to solve the problem by attempting to convince AJ to tell the truth, but she didn't want to do it that way. Her line about "shut up if you're not going to help" doesn't work because the help she's referring to would make things worse.
@@ShadyDoorags If he was trying to help then he should've told the truth from the very beginning. If anything he is at fault as Applejack is for constantly nagging on her, letting her be in charge and lie, without doing much of anything or telling Granny the truth.
@@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 Big Mac did indeed try to tell the truth from the beginning, but AJ stopped him.
Big Mac - "You see, Granny's--"
AJ - "SICK!"
After that point, Big Mac telling the truth on behalf of AJ would've made things worse for her. Admittedly, things wouldn't have been bad as they got with AJ lying, but the best solution was for AJ herself to tell the truth, which Big Mac was trying to let her know. He is guilty for being complicit, but this is not just as much his fault. Yes, he could've prevented the situation, but he's not the one who caused it.
@@ShadyDoorags Big Mac may not be the one to caused it, but him continuing nagging her to tell the truth sure didn't help things. If he only made one attempt to tell the truth and completely went with the lie that Applejack made then that just lazy on his part.
@@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 Of course someone constantly telling you the correct answer to your problem isn't going to help if YOU continue not to listen.
Big Mac only made one attempt to tell Rich because, at the time, AJ hadn't lied to him. She just made a bad call and Big Mac was doing the professional thing and explaining that the one in charge of the Apples, Granny Smith, wasn't going to allow the deal. Any reasonable businessman from that point on would take it up with Granny because complaining to AJ and Big Mac would be pointless.
The reason that Big Mac no longer attempted to explain the truth was because it was no longer about a bad call. His sister lied. What Big Mac did wasn't lazy, it was giving AJ the chance to get herself out of the hole she dug, because if Big Mac had come out and said his sister lied, this would've put her in a worse light than if she simply confessed. This is a much different scenario than simply explaining how upper management didn't approve the deal they made.
No, Big Mac shouldn't have kept quiet if the alternative meant to continue lying to Rich, but the reason he did keep quiet was because AJ confessing to Rich was a much better solution than Big Mac doing it. AJ was the one who decided to continually ignore his advice and keep lying. That's why he continued to hark on AJ, because she wasn't listening to what was clearly the correct answer to the situation, telling the truth. If AJ had simply listened the first time, Big Mac wouldn't have had to keep repeating himself.
Considering his father was named Bright Macintosh, I kinda wonder if either Big Mac's real name is just Macintosh...or if maybe he was originally named after his father and is legally "Bright Macintosh Jr." or something like that.
DarkMasterofCupcakes one awesome freaking username and two great theory
That's what I always thought it was something like that too since on one side of my family, my dad is called Big John and my brother was called Little John.
Makes sense. My family for a few generations always had one daughter be named either Jean or Loretta while the first son was named after the father, that's why we have three generations of Thomas and Joseph.
My headcannon is that "MacIntosh" is the [second part of the full name] of Granny Smith´s (unnamed, unknown) husband [the father of "Bright MacIntosh"].
Then, it is tradition for the firstborn colt to inherit it as their temporary "full name" (likely registered as such in Ponyville´s archives), until they choose to add a first name for themselves (likely to happen around when they get their cutiemark).
Note: This "tradition" has nothing to do with the "Smith" family [the original owners of the _ground area_ were "Sweet Apple Acres" was eventually _named_ to separate it legally from the nearby area of "Ponyville"].
-> But is probably mandatory for the "Apple Clan" to recognize the heir of a particular branch; as their continous help and support was likely NECESARY given that the "Smiths" were inmigrants coming from far away into the "Kingdom of Canterlot" [so they did not had other close relatives to rely on difficult times].
probably just macintosh
“So, is that a cosplay, or...”
“AHHHHH! That’s none of your business!”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"Noted. Duly Noted"
Saturn Lightning / FrostByte The Cat yup
Um....what exactly does that mean? 😅😓 I don’t get it
EchoDrawer I’m just replying that is all
@@arianashurn6109 I also do not now
hold on, there are pony's using the only washing machine and you don't charge it as a way to get "slight boost" of profit... for the base budget ofc XP
why is SilverQuill in therapy again? Wait...what did he do? the only reason he'd be in there if he messed up or about to mess up... Wait where did the portal to the human world go?
Just about everyone has therapy sessions with Dr. Wolf at some point.
It's Silver. What doesn't he need help with? :)
The portal is still open and is terrifying the country side
Burninating the countryside
Burninating the peasants
Burninating the peoples' thatched roof cottages
BURN THOSE COTTAGES
TROGDOOOOOOOOR!
Waiiytttttt ... what Was, in that siringe?
1:52 nice call back from Silver's review of Scare Master
CONTINUITY!
"What does Filthy Rich see in Spoiled Milk?"
She gives _great_ ****...
And she does ****.
Do you and Keyframe have a crush on him or something?
11:06 praise the editors and a smog sorry not sorry. But I do agree, Firebrand has fantastic editors. You guys are awesome.
1:07
I think that was the highest Ari has ever gone.
Hope her voice didn't hurt.
Adrian Woodruff I’m okay
@@AramautheFierySecretary How high do your screams go? 🤨
This episode reminds me a lot of Larry Boy and the Fib From Outer Space. Sure there’s no giant monster destroying Ponyville at the end with AJ as a captive, but the idea is still there.
“A little fib couldn’t hurt anybody.”
I think what they may have been trying to say with Big Mac learning to talk less was not that he should't have tried to talk sense into AJ, but that he should have been more conciderate and listened to her ideas. If he had listened to her ideas prior to this and had not constaintly been writing off her ideas as nonsense like we see him do in the very beggining of the flashback, she wouldn't have been so desperate to prove herself and therefore probably wouldn't have made such a rash decision. Even if she had been about to make the decision, she would also be more likely to listen to any objections Big Mac would have had because she would know that he wouldn't be condecending and lecturing like he is in the flashback.
Keyframe, you were just hilarious in this.
17:04 Wait a minute! Am I the only one here who saw young Derpy with bandages over her eyes!?
Caught that when I watched it once.
Headcanon regarding bubbles, but that is just me.
Watch the Derpy analysis by Equestron
Everyone as far as I know noticed that. I know I did.
@@marcosramirez385 Already did... Twice.
I know! It was such a missed opportunity.
9:44 - 10:03 Big Mac is so salty throughout this entire episode, and it's hilarious.
I've really missed you two a lot, well done on the collab Firebrand and Keyframe! Keyframe especially, she is just amazing when it comes to being hilarous! See you next time and i hope you're enjoying 2019 so far!
13:19 "Oops dat waz not medicine" subtle TF2 ref, love it
10:48, considering that his father is Bright Macintosh, I think he was named Macintosh jr.
6:23 I could see this working if this character, Filthy Rich, tacked on the words "Outside of Equestria" or "Outside of Ponyville" at the end of his pitch. This would make sense more than having the Apples have Filthy sell their cider in his store for less profit.
Also, that change of making Filthy and Granny both know that Applejack is lying would've made the whole episode so funny, by the sounds of it.
13:24-"HELLLOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!"
Has NO ONE guessed my reference?
I saw the first half of this on his main channel. I still have the tab open at the time I'm typing this. :)
What first part?
@@NoMercy745 I watched from 0:00 to about the 12 minute mark on his main channel before I saw the notification that Josh uploaded it on this channel. I realized, "Ah, he dun goofed and initially uploaded the video to the wrong channel".
@@Randomizer903 Ah, okay.
Wait he has a main channel?
Me: Welp, time to go to sleep.
*Sees video in Recommendations*
Me: NEVER MIND!
Reptillia 15 Me 100000000000000000000000%
keyframe:so are those cosplay?...
???:thats none of your business! lol
It's Ari
Yea, her name is aramou, ari for short
HA HA HA HA It's not like I see my girlfriend in these cosplay outfits LOL
Have work and church tomorrow, sees new episode... Click!
Don't forget that Mrs. Cake was originally Chiffon Swirl. She probably took Mr. Cake's last name as well
Is there any point of having guards at this point , considering how useless they are .
of course theres a point you need somewhere to take cover when the fighting starts
yes their cannon fodder just use them as shields and their useful
i mean it's for the same reason why some poeple keep fishs or pet rocks....they don't really do anything....except sit there and look pritty....and i guess you can pick them up ad throw them at you enemies n
Ammunition for the party Howitzer
if I were Firebrand I'd fire all the Guards and replace them with Robots
I wonder if this episode could have worked better if Big Mac also told a few lies himself? Or if he accidentally insulted a lot of ponies or something along that line? I think that would be a better explanation for how he ended up being so quiet and reserved.
Your back yay I love you reacting to MLP with other MLP ponies and I’m her just started watching but we missed you
Man, I still love this channel. I need to get back with the fandom.
keyframe you broke the fourth wall shame of you shame
Which wall is the fourth one? Looks like she broke quite a number of walls here. Though I think she only made an impression on Lightning Bliss's wall.
Her spirit animal is Pinkie Pie!!! Don’t question it.
Your editors seriously deserve a raise
This video is made that much more hilarious with the awesome editing!
I would also like to point out that it has been hinted, although never confirmed, which is definitely a bummer, that the Apple family and the Pie family are distantly related. So it may be possible that Cloudy used to be in Apple.
Does that mean Keyframe wouldn't mind be Diamond Tiara's mother? Oh, the possibilities...
At least she'd be nice to her...
So as a foal Big Mac states the obvious and as a Stallion he states almost nothing unless magic is involved. Yeah that sounds like most of the farmers in my town.
"So, is that a cosplay...?" *immediately rewinds/rewatches sequence about a dozen times*
5:45 OBJECTION! There has been a third marriage shown in the series! Who could possibly forget the Apple Pearants!
Maybe they meant formal weddings? That was more of a shotgun wedding.
HOLD IT!! We also had Big Mac and Sugar Belle's wedding as the penultimate episode for G4 as a whole.
As someone who lives with a sister and a mother, it is indeed proper, and even helpful, for men to handle women's laundry. In fact, from personal experience, women love men who aren't squeamish about getting and handling feminine stuff like underwear, pads, etc.
Um, Is it dark that i think the only reason FIlthy's marrying Spoiled Milk is because she got herself Pregnant with DT and is blackmailing him and since he's a good stallion, he's staying for the Foal's Sake?
WHAT SIDE OF TUMBLR ARE YOU IN?!? The Tumblr I know is very welcoming and accepting.
MLP: Applejack never lied
John Cena: Are you sure about that?
15:03 HA!!!! XD
Teamfourstar reference love it
Simply splendid and terrific.
Kiss me adverage bro
I seen your mom online,she pretty shick kind of but ok XD
9:23
Ice Bear: "Ice Bear agrees with Big Mac."
These are amazing xd
This episode was a delight, Keyframe you are awesome and the back and forth between her and Firebrand was great. Wish I could say the same for the mlp episode itself.
Given AJ's toothpick legs in this episode, I'm convinced Fluttershy is the oldest of th mane 6 given what she looked like in cutie mark chronicles.
For the record, no one hates saying “I told you so.” It’s one of the best feelings in the world.
People hate hearing that
YES!!!!!!
keyframe get to collab with Josh am excited to watch this :)
I saw that “likes Greek mythology”. You can’t hide from me. Also YES HOWITZER
Talkative big mac is best big mac
Brohoof /)
Do you really liked Project Horizons
Your Blackjack profile pic confirmed it is
I really hated Project Horizons
Because the story's words is very long & it's a complete shit!
Also another reason why I hate Project Horizons
Because one of the characters,Rampage give nightmares to me
I always have nightmares about her trying to kill me in the similar manners of slasher in slasher movies
@@littlepipthelightbringer4197 h-how old are you . . . should you be reading fallout equestria?
Its scary and has big words isn't reason enough to hate something. You're being a bit prosaic with your rhetoric.
FOEPH gave plenty of warning and rampage is better than that. She might be a little scary, but she is a kind child at heart.
@@littlepipthelightbringer4197 also if you are prone too nightmares, maybe don't consume scary media? Anyway good luck /)
@@puerileprolific7620 I'm actually Littlepip from Fallout:Equestria
Fallout:Equestria is not scary for me, because it's actually my story
But Rampage is actually scary
Her speaking voice is just creepy & her armor just look very scary to me
Big Macs hair is what in the flash back?
A Faux-Hawk. Basically a Mohawk without any hair being shaved off.
If I was sayian I would want that haircut
9:56 applejack could have just said "oh she just got out of the hospital" bam end of story
1:43 hey. It’s was your idea for this. keyframe. You want it, you got it
The reason Big Mac needed to talk less is because he never listened to Applejack's ideas and brushed them off. If he had, she might have talked with Big Mac about the deal instead of making it on her own. Then Big Mac could have explained why it was a bad idea or that they should talk to Granny instead of sounding like all her ideas are trash.
Her ideas were already terrible from the beginning! In fact he was interrupted when trying to talk to Filthy Rich before AJ claimed Granny was sick! It lead Big Mac to nearly getting his fucking leg amputated for Christ's sake! Based on this experience, he SHOULD speak up for more often before problems like this escalate at Applejack's expense. And based on her prideful harm in Applebuck Season when Big Mac stated the obvious about handling the entire field just proves how morally unhealthy it is in keeping your mouth shut when problems need to be addressed.
Having Big Mac say "Yep" and "Nope" all the time with no privilege of saying anything else according Granny's interruption in Pinkie Apple Pie is like making Dash say "20% Cooler" too much or have Derpy say "I just don't know what went wrong" in every cameo she appears in. It gets repetitive and it overstates its welcome. I'm sorry but there's just no logical explanation behind this mess!
@@GoldenFoxPictures If older people constantly disregard every idea you have, you're either going to a) think you're useless or, in applejack's case, b) stop listening to them to prove you're right. From my perspective, Applejack had lost respect for Big Mac's opinion.
However, I do agree that this wasn't a good reason for Big Mac to *stop* talking. He just needed to talk in a more open/gentle manner instead of going on about how bad her plans were. Take it from a stubborn person, how you say things *really* determines if I'm going to listen.
Ooo, nice choice of song to use for the end credits. Love that song. Oh, and this video was great. XD
It could be possible that Cloudy Quartz used to be an apple. There is a drink called Cloudy Apple Juice. So hey, it's a possibility
13:19. So Firebrand does know how to use a Medic Gun. Just wrong ammo. Awesome review everyone I really enjoyed this. Have a wonderful day Keyframe and Firebrand.
I get your position about big mac being right but the problem with the episode is that he talks alot. he just scolds Applejack and repeats himself or just the situation alot. If he had just been more willing to talk With her and not At her this probably would of been resolved with in the first few minutes of the episode. Or perhaps if he had simply talked to filthy rich instead of expecting Applejack to fix it given she is at the time the young one and not mature and speaking out of line for the family it would of been over. So yes it does kind of make sense that this all impacted him speaking only the minimal amount. He realized his own ideal of speaking frankly and honestly doesn't need to be so wordy.
KenshiImmortalWolf ALL OF THIS
ITs amazing how these 2 and that cringe lord Goldenfox missed the point entirely
@@EpicFableBean You k now calling someone a cringe lord makes you look like the jerk.
@@KenshiImmortalWolf Good thing its not relevant since that wasnt the topic
@@EpicFableBean You know trying to avoid self-reflection because 'it wasn't the topic' just continues to make you look like the jerk and someone I wouldn't want to discuss the main topic with to start with.
You have 2 good options here, stop posting on this thread and thus stop giving me reason to dislike you, or actually realize my initial point stands and you should probably take some time to consider how you treat others. (There are other things you can do but these are the only 2 that can be classified as good.)
"That's Bards for ya, rules just go out the window when they appear" I have never played D&D b4 but I do understand your pain, Firebrand
well Big Mac should talk more often and would get things done easier and also I do like We Bare Bears and Ice Bear is my favorite
Wow. A whole review of this episode without a single mention of Derpy's apparently failed childhood eye procedure. I can't decide whether I'm impressed by your restraint or disappointed.
0:59 Eh, Aramau? Why do you-? Actually nevermind, I don't want to know.
6:51 Keyframe, is there something you not telling us about GoldenFox?
Think of this we are watching their remembrance of this event, they may have forgotten some important issues and how they are dressed the problems. How often do you forget minor details of an event, every time you retell it, you paint yourself in the best light possible, and so your memory of the event changes to match.
Yeah I'll just say it. DWK satirized this whole episode pretty well. AB just wants her part of the apple family to actually have financial security by allowing the apple family's products to be mass distributed instead of having people come to their farm to get what they're selling. It's why she's eager to sell their product out to the Flim Flam brothers (back when they were actually sincere and sold people genuine goods and services) and Filthy Rich while Applejack, Big Mac, and Granny Smith would rather them always be one disaster away from financial ruin and bankruptcy because "Family traditions and handcrafted quality".
I think Firebrand and Keyframe made a good case for why that wouldn't help the family's finances, but maybe I just don't know how economics work.
@@williamharmon4039 Well the other big issue is that it's just Big Mac and Applejack that go out and do any sort of field work. Maybe if they hired some farm hands to help out with havesting and such, they could maybe then afford to mass distribute.
@@giguyjoe
True, but that's a whole other issue.
oh Keyframe hearing your sweet voice in these colab reviews makes my day so much better etherway Where The Apple Lies is one of my least favorite AppleJack episodes
I kind of interpreted it has Big Mac refusing to hear her ideas before turning them down
Congratulations you are officially smarter than these 2 and golden fox who missed the fucking point
You are officially smarter than these 2
i love seeing big Mac talk, he was such an interesting character in applebuck season. calling applejack out and actually being a charecter not just a catchphrase.
Where the apple jack lies
10:40 I think the most likely solution is his name is Apple Mac he has gone from a burger to a computer. It would explain why the apples all have apple in their name except Big Mac
1:00 Oooh So Ari likes to cosplay as Kagome eh?
I've waited for this collab for so long!
17:04 It's Derpy!
Big Mac's hugely important throwaway lines that hint at his character are freaking HILARIOUS and a great troll for us detail-oriented nerds.
keyfame come play with us come play with us and we will play a ever a ever a ever
"Hey, my name's cool. Her name should be poured down the sink." Oh, context. Without it, this statement is even more hilarious.
Huh,just thought of something. The Reason why there wasn't a baby Applebloom in the flash back is because she wasn't born yet. If Filthy Rich hasn't married Spoiled yet, then that mean Diamond Tiara hasn't been born yet and if Diamond and Applebloom are the same age then Applebloom would be born yet either. Also A.J. was hatless, so there is a good chance that her parents are still alive assuming that is infact her fathers hat.
I'm glad to be subscribed to this channel
0:59 EEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! THAT'S VIOLET EVERGARDEN'S DRESS!!!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
That ending was the best thing EVER.
Right?
Spoiled Rich is a Gold Digger
The gold digger trope?
Sounds like par for the course.
Soo... young Big Mac is Alexander Hamilton?
Heh I was wondering what happen to Keyframe
The reason why she made the deal was because she felt like noone was listening to her ideas at all since her brother kept talking over her, so when filthy rich was listening to her ideas it went to her head a little.
Congrats you are legit smarter than these 2 in the video