IDK why any knowledgeable FSU fan would want to be treated like chopped liver in the SEC. The B1G is national, respected, makes more money, and the fans want us. The SEC is regional, full of backwater towns, snobby, and filled with disdain for FSU because a) we beat them all the time and b) we turned them down in the 1990s. LSU fans treated me worse than UF fans the past couple years. That says a lot. The ONLY positive for the SEC is travel costs for the school. That's it. Even then, I'd rather travel to Madison, WI, and deal with the ESFY chant than go to Starkville, MS. I'd rather go to Seattle than Tuscaloosa. Tennessee is a great state if you love bad roads and the high probability of blowing a tire. Michigan probably has some infrastructure problems, too, but at least you don't have to worry about getting stranded in the mountains.
I'm not a FSU fan but I think Big 10 is actually smarter for them. Helps them stand out from the rest of the crowd (SEC) in that area. Makes Big 10 a national type conference which raises FSU already prestigious brand. Go to SEC and be a power and Florida main rival every year ok cool that is a good setup. But Big 10 is even more money and you still rivals vs Florida but Florida is a "southeast" team while FSU is a "national team". I just think joining the Big 10 would really help Florida State brand go to another level. I don't feel the same way about other ACC schools. I think SEC or Big 10 would be good for UNC or Clemson but I dont think Big 10 offers any advantage so maybe the "culture fit" with SEC makes them lean SEC. With FSU it seems like Big 10 could elevate them even more. I would say SEC is probably better fit for Miami as it would offer football credibility for them that they are lacking (FSU is not). Being "private city school" would actually make them stand out in the SEC. The problem is I dont think the SEC really wants or cares about Miami so they might end up with FSU in the Big 10. Just my two cents as a Notre Dame fan watching all this realignment.
I think FSU ends up in the B1G. Yeah, some long trips -- but Oregon and Ohio State coming to Tallahassee, that would be cool. FSU at Autzen stadium on a 75F sunny early October Saturday ...
FSU has been on the B1G's target list for almost three years. FSU's president, McCullough formerly of Harvard, is going to vote to join the nerds not the jocks.
FSU is drinking the Kool-aid if they think B1G / Fox is super motivated to get in a fight w ESPN (or SEC) to add FSU. If ESPN wants [to keep] FSU - and clearly they're in the negotiating drivers seat - then they'll muscle Sankey / SEC to add em. Of course, ESPN might just feel good riddance, move along ... in which case the door is open to Fox / B1G But ESPN, moreso than the ACC, is the gatekeeper here, IMO ... and nobody is giving them their due in this fight
I think the big 10 will be coming hard for fsu and probably Clemson, people seem to ignore they want the recruiting foothold in the south which is also why espn and the sec will want to keep them out of the big 10
That the B1G would consider #2s in states in which the SEC has the flags suggests some desperation or (at least) a material change in membership philosophy.
@@JamiesonPercad Again, that the B1G would consider #2s in states in which the SEC has the flags suggests some desperation or (at least) a material change in membership philosophy. That includes FSU. Since its core 10 members were set, when has the B1G ever invited a school that wasn't either a flagship or a big brand private? NEB (flagship) PSU (flagship) MARYLAND/RUT (flagships) UCLA (de facto co-flagship) USC (big brand private) WASH/ORE (flagships) Of the relatively confirmed informal invites rejected, only GATECH was a #2.
@@tarheel7406 Regarding FSU, the B1G has no choice if they want to get into the Sunshine State. The Gators aren't leaving. This is fact, not desperation.
@@tarheel7406Just like with the NFL, some states are big enough to have 2-3 relevant brands. I think most people are comfortable with the #2 in Florida, California, or Texas.
Not all the FSU fan base wants the SEC, I can assure you. I much prefer a "National Conference" with the Big 10 and would love to see home and away games with the likes of Michigan, OSU, Penn State, USC, Oregon, UCLA, and others. In a perfect world Notre Dame would join the Big 10 along with UNC, and/or Duke, Virginia and/or VA Tech. Though I think my wish list is unlikely but that would be my preference. Definitely NOT going to the SEC.
I do not personally know any FSU fans that want to go to the SEC. I’m in FSU alum and fan and I don’t think any of the alum are interested in that. The pure disrespect from the SEC (The SEC in particular, the animosity goes back decades) and ESPN has FSU fans leaning more towards the F*** the SEC and ESPN… I live in Tallahassee, so it’s interesting to hear about FSU fans talking about preferring the SEC cause I just don’t hear that here at all
@@danielllleX ... I'm a UNF Alum but have been a fan of FSU since 1974/75 my senior year at Venice High School in Sarasota County. I am quite relieved to hear that the local FSU fans are not clamoring for the SEC, I don't get to commiserate with many FSU fans in NH. lol
@@artpowers812 so, staying in a conference with such a huge buyout, and a GOR on the table that can extend until 36 leaving the whole conference way behind in revenue is?
@@artpowers812 well, when the other conferences are going to be pulling in 60 million or more in from TV deals, maybe the acc should have thought about making better business decisions
While this is true, it was after FSU had sought membership into the SEC for decades, and been denied. Only when the ACC extended an invitation to the SEC. So as an FSU alum…..f**k the SEC
What we want is the B10. We (FSU) is not spending all this money and seeking AAU status for the SEC. Let me help you out: (D)uck Disney (D)uck ESPN (D)uck SEC (D)uck the CFI, formally know as, CFP I can't think of situation where FSU will select a terrible B10 offer over a full 100% participation from the SEC. This is how big the rift between FSU and ESPN/SEC. Go Noles! Let's Go!
I totally agree. I think we are full steam ahead for the B1G, and that's where we end up. I just don't think leaving the ACC for the SEC is off the table because we don't like ESPN. They have the sole ownership rights of the playoffs, so that's kind of unavoidable unless you don't make the playoffs, which we don't want lol I just think we want out the ACC and into one of those two no matter who it is because staying put isn't an option. My bet is the Big 10, but either one is a better option. Go Noles!!
@@plantthespear FSU going to the SEC would be the equivalent of an abuse woman returning to her abuser.😄😄😄 There is a disrespect by Disney toward Florida. Whatever the reasons, Disney believes Floridians are a bunch of rubes. The disrespect by ESPN/SEC to manipulate the whores of college football, aka CFI Committee formally known as the CFP Committee is not forgotten and will not be forgotten. Until the contract is signed FSU entering the B10. I will yell from the mountain top. I can't see a scenario where the worst B10 beats offer beats the best SEC offer. Too much bad blood.😄 Go Noles! Let's Go!
So this comment…F the SEC and F ESPN…. Edit - I do think FSU would take a slightly smaller pay cut to go to the big over the SEC because of the bad blood. But we don’t have to so it doesn’t matter….
@daniellle4270 FSU may and a small may take a buy-in to the B10. There is no way. They can explain any revenue penalty from the SEC to Noles nation. I don't think you people understand the 🐃💩 Disney tried to pull in Florida. Every tentacle of the corporation was aimed at Florida from ABC News group to ESPN.
Jesse, Plant The Spear: The Big Ten membership docs, including GOR, are held in Chicago with no hardcopy available outside HQ. So if that is your beef with the ACC or seems shady, you dont want to join us in the Big Ten. 😂😂😂😂
A former FOX exec has confirmed that keeping these documents secure is standard practice. FSU fans think everything is some smoking gun, so I can no longer listen to them.
@tarheel7460 Moron... A former Fox exec is a source. Your ignorance is not my problem, Again, an army of reporters, etc. have confirmed UNC's situation in this realignment.
You must not follow this stuff...Big10 commissioner already said it's preferred but not required. FSU is ranked higher than 1/2 the teams already in Big10 according to US World report...FOX is writing the check and the love FSU ratings (#7 last year...playing ACC scrubs)....and access to state of Florida..
Par for the FSU course. Ignoring the likely effects on recruiting, regional exposure, and extended fanbase. Scorched earth tactics that poison peer relationships and destinations. Not recognizing and respecting peers or betters. A relatively forever decision based on the current and temporary network associations and contracts?
_Oregon_ of all teams does pretty darn well in Texas and even Florida. I would think FSU would be fine -- and in the B1G they would likely get some more looks from California kids.
Sitting clear over here in northeastern Ohio B1G country I'd say Florida State is headed straight for the SEC in the first place, why move sideways when they can pursue bigger fish in the SEC?(& get beat up far less in the process, B1G lugs bash each other to pcs every season.) Most the rest of the ACC? Some could do good joining up with the B1G but most would do quite well joining the Big 12, they could use an infusion of a little seaborn horsepower with stiff defense. It's a shame one can't keep the ACC together in terms of it's basketball strengths. Everything else is just trying to hold up natural selection here, we need a serious re-alignment, all of college sports does.
If SECPN didn’t get involved in NC, I would have thought SEC. But now I think the BIG10 is the destination. Mickey Mouse hasn’t fared well with the governor in Florida lately.
Obviously you don't live in Tallahassee. Being in the SEC would bring in tons of revenue for the city and would guarantee a sellout and every one of our games because SEC fans will travel here. Big ten fans will not except for the ones that are rich AND can afford airfare and $500 night hotel rooms. In spite of what the SEC and Greg think he has done to college football over the last few years the right business decision is to join the SEC. It's where we have belonged for 77 years now. Of course that's all contingent on who gives us the invite. I'm pretty sure we would go ahead and jump into the Big ten if they give us an invite. Particularly if we don't get one from the SEC. However, I foresee getting an invite from one or the other and then the very next day "the other" will counter with an invite of their own.
Independent might be fun. I remember those days well. But there is no way we can generate that kind of revenue on our own. We have to be in a conference.
If schools change conferences and join the B1G in 2030, then they will get full shares, but outside of Notre Dame, no school is joining in the middle of the media deal and getting a full share, in my opinion. The B1G isn't going to add new schools and offer them anymore than what they just gave Wa/Or. The school Presidents would probably rather not go down that road, especially if the school isn't even an AAU school.
Really good point. I think it'll be a partial share and the ACC schools will be happy to take it. But could 2 conferences get into a bidding war over a school and drive up its revenue?
The SEC has always acted like they are above FSU even though Bama could not even steal Bowden or Norvell. Auburn cancelled games after FSU beat them. UF boycotted scheduling FSU until a state law forced them to play. The Big 10 respects FSU because in the 80s Bowden and his road warriors upset pretty much all their top teams in their house. I respect the Big 10 for not being afraid to play teams like the SEC. UF went 40 years without playing a first game not at home. FSU is not a team that hides behind their conference and has pride in having a national schedule. The Big 10 is where its at for FSU it will be like their schedule from the 80s
I'm not trying to say this stuff doesn't matter, but that was a long time ago with different decision makers in place. I tend to think they will make good business decisions based on numbers and not worry as much about those things. But time will tell.
In 1993 they joined the ACC and the SEC took South Carolina. People talk about how great the SEC is but would you rather be FSU or USC. People call FSU a football school but I will give em credit they did what was best for the school at the time as the ACC helped raise the academic standards and research of the whole school
Back in the 90s when FSU joined the ACC they had been asking to join the SEC for a long time. The SEC would never extend an invitation. When the ACC extended the invitation so did the SEC. Thus FSU was already presented the choice SEC or ACC. And they chose ACC. After all the snubs, and now after all the recent BS, why on earth would FSU chose to go to SEC when the B1G is better and FSU can get paid as much if not more. Edit - being and FSU alumni Association in Tallahassee after graduation, I don’t know of any FSU fans that are remotely interested in the SEC. It’s been decades of animosity between the SEC and FSU fans… despite what gets put on ESPN it’s not jealousy…. All FSU fans I know are excited to go to the B1G … and particularly enjoy that and doing so it will hurt the SEC
We’d like FSU, Clemson, Miami, maybe Georgia Tech, as I would guess the SEC is looking at North Carolina and Virginia. Big Ten wants a presence in Florida and the Carolina/Georgia area regards to viewers and recruiting. Plus, those 4 schools are a match with academics and research. I could see UNC going to the Big Ten though too. We always want Notre Dame should they ever get off the dime on joining a conference. 24 teams is about max at this point for Big Ten.
For fifty years hoped for SEC. Tallahassee is truly the deepest south. Recent disrespect and theft of a play off spot changes my loyalty to our SEC neighbors . The Seminoles will be a competitor the first game of the first year in either conference. Hope for the Big 10 now.
@@christopherhooter1937 No , however the truth is history. Alabama the prodigal son got a slot someone else was entitled to.Are you sold out to the media Mafia ? 1937 if true deserves respect .
The Saban Bama team from 24' with their non throwing QB who got ran up in by wack ass Mich yup fully healthy FSU could potentially have beat dat ass absolutely
Back in the 90s when FSU joined the ACC they had been asking to join the SEC for a long time. The SEC would never extend an invitation. When the ACC extended the invitation so did the SEC. Thus FSU was already presented the choice SEC or ACC. And they chose ACC. After all the snubs, and now after all the recent BS, why on earth would FSU chose to go to SEC when the B1G is better and FSU can get paid as much if not more.
My friend , Saban is gone . It isn't Saban's Bama any longer . You are living in the rear view mirror. FSU joined the ACC because of basketball money. The football money changed over 40 years . Now football is king. Alabama sucks, because of low class repulsive ghetto culture fans . Now with a Yankee head coach. Don't remember after Bear Bryant, do you ? Your opinion and 7.50 The decades of firing coaches . Losing to Auburn every year. Enjoy your history, that's all you got now. Hope for FSU to be a Big 10 team right in the middle of SEC territory. The Big 10 pays more than the SEC. That makes the SEC second rate doesn't it ? Your opinion and 7.50 get you a coffee at Starbucks.
If any FSU fan says they prefer the B1G over the SEC, they're either still mad about the playoff snub, are only football fans and not fans of ALL sports at the school, or are lying. Not saying that the B1G isn't an attractive option, but the SEC is a better fit on every front EXCEPT academics and we all know what happened the last time FSU chose academics over everything else.
@@MrJara1018 just guessing, but the chances if FSU going to the SEC have to be extremely small right about now with openly fighting ESPN in court right now. Not to mention all the other reasons
Sec......fsu made a mistake like texas did 40 years ago by turning down the sec. Why would any fsu fan want to make a road trip to Nebraska, oregon, Washington iowa, rutgers an northwestern 😂😂😂
A road trip to Eugene means a weekend on the Pacific coast, maybe a road trip down U.S. Route 101 to Bandon for the golfers among you. Eat some Dungeness crab. Or a trip to Crater Lake, or elsewhere in the Cascade Mountains. SEC-like atmosphere in Autzen. Good beer in Eugene. Husky Stadium is a great atmosphere as well, and one of the best settings for a football game in the country.
B1G or Independent. Joining sec/espn is NOT an intelligent long term option. There's no way to measure how much more damage and disrespect FSU and the Noles would have to endure IF we join the sec/espn conference. It goes back to the old saying, "Screw me once, it's on you. Screw me twice, it's on me".
To everyone who says FSU Signed the GOR, so they have to deal with it. Yes, FSU signed it, but they did so under duress. The ACC told FSU to re-sign the GOR about 10 years ago, I believe?, and said if they didn’t sign it FSU would have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to exit the conference. That’s like holding a gun to someone’s head and telling them to sign it, or else! The contract also states the ACC would do everything in its power to do what’s in FSU’s best interest. Clearly, they didn’t uphold their end of the contract.
@saturdayswarriorbyu can you refute it? That's a reasonable argument esp compared to other conferences exit fees. To leave the B1G right now it cost zero dollars.
Even if it wasn’t entirely gun to the head, level of the rest, when you’re being forced to accept the league without preparation, and no Plan on where to go… In the college football world, it’s the same thing because we all know and are being reminded that it’s all about money. ….And FSU would’ve lost millions of dollars.
I know ppl are butthurt over the CFP snub but the SEC makes more sense and FSU would make more money on a local level if they joined the SEC, most of the B1G teams won't travel to TLH to support their team the way even the middling SEC teams would.
Everyone make sure to catch part 2! I know I talked about the SEC in this one, but I drop my prediction of where we actually end up in the next one...😉
I'm not sure why you want the SEC. Did you not interact with the fans? LSU fans were some of the worst and most conceited I've come across. They were just straight-up disrespectful. It's the same with Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, etc. Considering the B1G having more money, the snobbery of most SEC fans about FSU, and chaining ourselves to ESPN who actively worked on discrediting us and keeping us out of the CFI, I really can't stomach FSU joining that conference unless there's nowhere else to go. Tangent: Your last name is kind of explicit in Spanish.
I think the argument for the SEC is because of how close they are for away games (and fans travelling to Tallahassee, too), the big game environments, and the fact that FSU would now get the same preferential treatment that the SEC gets. I'm not a fan of SEC fans either. Trust me, I'm related to a bunch of them 😂 but I've seen some videos of pretty disrespectful fans in the B1G as well. Traveling to B1G games just isn't doable for everyone. Also, while I understand not wanting any dealings with ESPN, they solely own the rights to the playoffs now, so that's impossible to a degree. Other than not making the playoffs, which we don't want lol Personally, and we're all entitled to our own opinion, I'd rather see FSU play teams like LSU, Auburn, and Georgia than Purdue, Illinois, and Minnesota but I like the B1G with teams like USC, Oregon, and Washington now. I'm perfectly fine with the B1G and think that's where we end up when all of this is said and done. Also, I've never heard that about my name. I'm going to have to look it up now. 🤔
@@plantthespear I'll agree to disagree. I've been hearing way more sour grapes from the SEC than the B1G. I've definitely had some run-ins with mostly Ohio State fans, but that's about it. The SEC fans love to perpetuate the myth that FSU turned down the SEC because "it was too hard." The truth is FSU tried to join the SEC since the 1960s if not the 1950s and when word got out that FSU was very likely going to the ACC in the early 1990s, the SEC took their ball and went home without a formal offer (for any SEC fans reading this). I was actually of the same opinion before 2023: FSU to the SEC made too much sense. But with the money and the abhorrent treatment FSU got this past year, it's the B1G or bust for me. Purdue, Illinois, and Minnesota are more akin to Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Arkansas. Auburn, UGA, and LSU would be more like Michigan State, Michigan, and Penn State, IMO. Seeing FSU play Nebraska in the regular season would be so, so, so cool. I never go to the away games anyway as dealing with all the travel and stadium logistics is always much more difficult than watching at home in HD for a tiny fraction of the cost. If I want to see a game in person, Doak is less than 30 minutes away (not including gameday traffic). If I were to travel, I wouldn't want to travel to any of the SEC towns except Austin. Even the ACC has better destinations for visiting FSU fans.
@@plantthespear Agree to disagree. Before 2023, I would agree with you: FSU to the SEC made way too much sense. After the abhorrent treatment and mouthy SEC fans, just no. Also I wouldn't compare those 3 A/B-tier SEC schools with C-tier B1G schools. I don't travel to away games anyway. If I did, the only SEC place I'd want to visit is Austin. But I'd love to go to multiple B1G places, even Minnesota (Minneapolis) and Nebraska (home of some of the greatest fans in CFB). TV and AC are just too OP for me to seriously consider traveling to multiple away games every year.
@@encycl07pedia- "I've been hearing way more sour grapes from the SEC than the B1G." Can you expand on this? From my following this story from the TX/OK news, there has been a clear evolution of the FSU perspective on preferred destination. It started heavily in favor of the SEC, only shifting to the B1G ~1 year ago. That was before last season and the playoff snub. I suspect that FSU and its fans then started to realize that the SEC had low interest relative to other options and then started to "sour grape" the SEC. FSU's scorched earth tactics likely made it even less attractive to the SEC and B1G; however, the later still desperately needs to expand south, so the "sour grapes" amplify.
Is it the GOR, which every team signed that is that private or is it the ESPN deal? Every ACC team saw had had access to the GOR because they all signed it.
If I remember correctly, when the rumors started years ago neither the B1G nor the SEC went looking for FSU. Maybe they do have some agreement but this is risky.
There's ONLY 1 thing to focus on.....TRAVEL. FSU fans, do you want to be in a group that your CLOSEST conference partner is ~1000 MILES AWAY??? Think about the scheduling & travelling headaches to factor around mid-week events. Then add the $, time away from school, etc.. The guest on the show kept bringing this up in the discussion, so he's aware of it. 🤔
@@EyeOfTheWatcher Does NOT offset the travel itself nor scheduling. &, to my knowledge, most schedules are 1/2 ROAD games. I know, partly, about dealing with that when our state school sports group put my high school in a region where our 2nd CLOSEST region opponent was OVER 2 hours away (while the rest of the state had regions with opposite end opponents only ~1 1/2 hours away).
Would you rather see Florida St in the B1G or SEC?
Not the SEC!! (FSU fans) ! I couldn’t stomach to listen to Paul Finebaum!😛
Obviously B1G is our best option.
B10, (d)uck ESPN/SEC!
Go Noles!
Let's Go!
IDK why any knowledgeable FSU fan would want to be treated like chopped liver in the SEC. The B1G is national, respected, makes more money, and the fans want us. The SEC is regional, full of backwater towns, snobby, and filled with disdain for FSU because a) we beat them all the time and b) we turned them down in the 1990s. LSU fans treated me worse than UF fans the past couple years. That says a lot.
The ONLY positive for the SEC is travel costs for the school. That's it. Even then, I'd rather travel to Madison, WI, and deal with the ESFY chant than go to Starkville, MS. I'd rather go to Seattle than Tuscaloosa. Tennessee is a great state if you love bad roads and the high probability of blowing a tire. Michigan probably has some infrastructure problems, too, but at least you don't have to worry about getting stranded in the mountains.
@@encycl07pedia- You guys would get destroyed in the SEC. Everybody knows it!
I'm not a FSU fan but I think Big 10 is actually smarter for them. Helps them stand out from the rest of the crowd (SEC) in that area. Makes Big 10 a national type conference which raises FSU already prestigious brand. Go to SEC and be a power and Florida main rival every year ok cool that is a good setup. But Big 10 is even more money and you still rivals vs Florida but Florida is a "southeast" team while FSU is a "national team". I just think joining the Big 10 would really help Florida State brand go to another level. I don't feel the same way about other ACC schools. I think SEC or Big 10 would be good for UNC or Clemson but I dont think Big 10 offers any advantage so maybe the "culture fit" with SEC makes them lean SEC. With FSU it seems like Big 10 could elevate them even more. I would say SEC is probably better fit for Miami as it would offer football credibility for them that they are lacking (FSU is not). Being "private city school" would actually make them stand out in the SEC. The problem is I dont think the SEC really wants or cares about Miami so they might end up with FSU in the Big 10. Just my two cents as a Notre Dame fan watching all this realignment.
The Big Ten, but I am biased. I'm super excited about this partnership you guys keep talking about as well!
I think FSU ends up in the B1G. Yeah, some long trips -- but Oregon and Ohio State coming to Tallahassee, that would be cool. FSU at Autzen stadium on a 75F sunny early October Saturday ...
There will definitely be some interesting match ups, but I prefer more regionality in the regular season.
FSU has been on the B1G's target list for almost three years. FSU's president, McCullough formerly of Harvard, is going to vote to join the nerds not the jocks.
The why not reported as vetted? Why no unworthy AAU invite like MIAMI & ND?
FSU is drinking the Kool-aid if they think B1G / Fox is super motivated to get in a fight w ESPN (or SEC) to add FSU.
If ESPN wants [to keep] FSU - and clearly they're in the negotiating drivers seat - then they'll muscle Sankey / SEC to add em.
Of course, ESPN might just feel good riddance, move along ... in which case the door is open to Fox / B1G
But ESPN, moreso than the ACC, is the gatekeeper here, IMO ... and nobody is giving them their due in this fight
Wow, from President of Harvard to FSU. That’s like going from NASA down to the local Jr. High Rocket Club
@@rossrreyes He wasn't the president at Harvard.
@@rossrreyessays the dude from loser school who has nowhere to go and just wants to leach off FSU
I think the big 10 will be coming hard for fsu and probably Clemson, people seem to ignore they want the recruiting foothold in the south which is also why espn and the sec will want to keep them out of the big 10
That the B1G would consider #2s in states in which the SEC has the flags suggests some desperation or (at least) a material change in membership philosophy.
@@tarheel7406The B1G needs a foothold in Florida (which is why they'll pursue FSU). They don't need South Carolina (that leaves Clemson out).
@@JamiesonPercad Again, that the B1G would consider #2s in states in which the SEC has the flags suggests some desperation or (at least) a material change in membership philosophy. That includes FSU.
Since its core 10 members were set, when has the B1G ever invited a school that wasn't either a flagship or a big brand private?
NEB (flagship)
PSU (flagship)
MARYLAND/RUT (flagships)
UCLA (de facto co-flagship)
USC (big brand private)
WASH/ORE (flagships)
Of the relatively confirmed informal invites rejected, only GATECH was a #2.
@@tarheel7406 Regarding FSU, the B1G has no choice if they want to get into the Sunshine State. The Gators aren't leaving. This is fact, not desperation.
@@tarheel7406Just like with the NFL, some states are big enough to have 2-3 relevant brands. I think most people are comfortable with the #2 in Florida, California, or Texas.
I don't care where we go as long as we get in the playoffs when we go undefeated
That would definitely be a welcomed change.
Question: would u rather see FSU in B1G or SEC?
Answer: Yes.
Not all the FSU fan base wants the SEC, I can assure you. I much prefer a "National Conference" with the Big 10 and would love to see home and away games with the likes of Michigan, OSU, Penn State, USC, Oregon, UCLA, and others. In a perfect world Notre Dame would join the Big 10 along with UNC, and/or Duke, Virginia and/or VA Tech. Though I think my wish list is unlikely but that would be my preference. Definitely NOT going to the SEC.
I do not personally know any FSU fans that want to go to the SEC. I’m in FSU alum and fan and I don’t think any of the alum are interested in that. The pure disrespect from the SEC (The SEC in particular, the animosity goes back decades) and ESPN has FSU fans leaning more towards the F*** the SEC and ESPN… I live in Tallahassee, so it’s interesting to hear about FSU fans talking about preferring the SEC cause I just don’t hear that here at all
@@danielllleX ... I'm a UNF Alum but have been a fan of FSU since 1974/75 my senior year at Venice High School in Sarasota County. I am quite relieved to hear that the local FSU fans are not clamoring for the SEC, I don't get to commiserate with many FSU fans in NH. lol
Why dont the mag7 get 1 more vote and dissolve the whole conference?
It is not clearly beneficial for 8 schools.
@@artpowers812 so, staying in a conference with such a huge buyout, and a GOR on the table that can extend until 36 leaving the whole conference way behind in revenue is?
@@blakenagy8399 If any team is going to get that far behind staying in, pay the prescribed fees. It really is that simple.
@@artpowers812 well, when the other conferences are going to be pulling in 60 million or more in from TV deals, maybe the acc should have thought about making better business decisions
FsU and Miami both had a chance to join the SEC about 20 to 25 years ago and chose not to
So? ND has had a chance to join the Big and chose not to but the Big is still chasing them
While this is true, it was after FSU had sought membership into the SEC for decades, and been denied. Only when the ACC extended an invitation to the SEC. So as an FSU alum…..f**k the SEC
Fsu B1g
What we want is the B10. We (FSU) is not spending all this money and seeking AAU status for the SEC.
Let me help you out:
(D)uck Disney
(D)uck ESPN
(D)uck SEC
(D)uck the CFI, formally know as, CFP
I can't think of situation where FSU will select a terrible B10 offer over a full 100% participation from the SEC. This is how big the rift between FSU and ESPN/SEC.
Go Noles!
Let's Go!
I totally agree. I think we are full steam ahead for the B1G, and that's where we end up. I just don't think leaving the ACC for the SEC is off the table because we don't like ESPN. They have the sole ownership rights of the playoffs, so that's kind of unavoidable unless you don't make the playoffs, which we don't want lol
I just think we want out the ACC and into one of those two no matter who it is because staying put isn't an option. My bet is the Big 10, but either one is a better option. Go Noles!!
@@plantthespear FSU going to the SEC would be the equivalent of an abuse woman returning to her abuser.😄😄😄
There is a disrespect by Disney toward Florida. Whatever the reasons, Disney believes Floridians are a bunch of rubes. The disrespect by ESPN/SEC to manipulate the whores of college football, aka CFI Committee formally known as the CFP Committee is not forgotten and will not be forgotten.
Until the contract is signed FSU entering the B10. I will yell from the mountain top. I can't see a scenario where the worst B10 beats offer beats the best SEC offer. Too much bad blood.😄
Go Noles!
Let's Go!
So this comment…F the SEC and F ESPN….
Edit - I do think FSU would take a slightly smaller pay cut to go to the big over the SEC because of the bad blood. But we don’t have to so it doesn’t matter….
@daniellle4270 FSU may and a small may take a buy-in to the B10.
There is no way. They can explain any revenue penalty from the SEC to Noles nation.
I don't think you people understand the 🐃💩 Disney tried to pull in Florida. Every tentacle of the corporation was aimed at Florida from ABC News group to ESPN.
Jesse, Plant The Spear:
The Big Ten membership docs, including GOR, are held in Chicago with no hardcopy available outside HQ.
So if that is your beef with the ACC or seems shady, you dont want to join us in the Big Ten. 😂😂😂😂
A former FOX exec has confirmed that keeping these documents secure is standard practice. FSU fans think everything is some smoking gun, so I can no longer listen to them.
The B1G doesn't have much of an exit fee (not that anyone would voluntarily exit the B1G [or SEC]). So, the stakes aren't so $high$
@tarheel7460 Moron. The industry standard is fact. What the P2 may do in the future is opinion, educated or otherwise.
@tarheel7460 Moron... A former Fox exec is a source. Your ignorance is not my problem,
Again, an army of reporters, etc. have confirmed UNC's situation in this realignment.
ESPN is the SEC. No Love for ESPN
It's crazy how so many people are turning on ESPN.
Im a Nole fan and my wife is a Vol fan, would love to go see the Noles in Knoxville at Neyland one day
I saw BYU play there, and that atmosphere was wild.
Nnnnooooo sec
FSUs application for AAU membership was denied. The BIG 10 isn't an option for FSU.
You must not follow this stuff...Big10 commissioner already said it's preferred but not required. FSU is ranked higher than 1/2 the teams already in Big10 according to US World report...FOX is writing the check and the love FSU ratings (#7 last year...playing ACC scrubs)....and access to state of Florida..
Nebraska isn't AAU either.
BIG for research money/academics and football tv money
U Texas and FSU are in 2 different leagues when it comes to money and views
Let Florida State go to the B1G.... watch what happens to recruiting. You guys aren't thinking things through.
Par for the FSU course. Ignoring the likely effects on recruiting, regional exposure, and extended fanbase. Scorched earth tactics that poison peer relationships and destinations. Not recognizing and respecting peers or betters.
A relatively forever decision based on the current and temporary network associations and contracts?
_Oregon_ of all teams does pretty darn well in Texas and even Florida. I would think FSU would be fine -- and in the B1G they would likely get some more looks from California kids.
@tarheel7460 A proven fool, fraud and troll has no standing not competency.
SEC is better fit
Florida State can't compete in the SEC or the Big 10 they should go on to the Big 12 where they might have to compete
I think they've shown they can compete in both. Also, their recruiting theoretically would improve, putting them on an even more level playing field.
@@saturdayswarriorbyu yeah we seen what happened against Georgia and they barely beat a sorry Oklahoma team in the bowl prior to that
SEC doesn’t want them
Speculation
Sitting clear over here in northeastern Ohio B1G country I'd say Florida State is headed straight for the SEC in the first place, why move sideways when they can pursue bigger fish in the SEC?(& get beat up far less in the process, B1G lugs bash each other to pcs every season.) Most the rest of the ACC? Some could do good joining up with the B1G but most would do quite well joining the Big 12, they could use an infusion of a little seaborn horsepower with stiff defense. It's a shame one can't keep the ACC together in terms of it's basketball strengths. Everything else is just trying to hold up natural selection here, we need a serious re-alignment, all of college sports does.
As thing stand, the BIG12 is a downgrade across the board for any ACC school.
@tarheel7460 A confirmed fool, fraud and troll has no standing nor competence to comment.
Splitting the videos into multiple parts is the best thing to do.
Why? This isnt a channel for kids.
If SECPN didn’t get involved in NC, I would have thought SEC. But now I think the BIG10 is the destination. Mickey Mouse hasn’t fared well with the governor in Florida lately.
ESPN brought it on itself
I dont think this guy speaks for fau fans. I know many who prefer the B1G. I know i do.
I think I've seen more B1G support in my comments, but in general I see mixed results.
Easy decision…Big Ten.
FSU to B1G
B1G started it all taking Nebraska from the B12. Colorado then jumped. THEN Missouri and Texas A&M. All started by the B1G!
Before that the ACC started picking off the Big East. Also, you can blame some of it on Texas since this teams wanted to leave because of them.
Go B1G Or Go Independent. To hell with the SEC!
Or BIG12 more likely. ND barely makes indy work.
@tarheel7460 A confirmed fool, fraud and troll has no standing nor competence to comment.
@tarheel7460 Such a moron. After multiple corrections, you still can't get it right, hence the proven fraud.
Obviously you don't live in Tallahassee. Being in the SEC would bring in tons of revenue for the city and would guarantee a sellout and every one of our games because SEC fans will travel here. Big ten fans will not except for the ones that are rich AND can afford airfare and $500 night hotel rooms.
In spite of what the SEC and Greg think he has done to college football over the last few years the right business decision is to join the SEC. It's where we have belonged for 77 years now.
Of course that's all contingent on who gives us the invite. I'm pretty sure we would go ahead and jump into the Big ten if they give us an invite. Particularly if we don't get one from the SEC. However, I foresee getting an invite from one or the other and then the very next day "the other" will counter with an invite of their own.
Independent might be fun. I remember those days well. But there is no way we can generate that kind of revenue on our own. We have to be in a conference.
If schools change conferences and join the B1G in 2030, then they will get full shares, but outside of Notre Dame, no school is joining in the middle of the media deal and getting a full share, in my opinion. The B1G isn't going to add new schools and offer them anymore than what they just gave Wa/Or.
The school Presidents would probably rather not go down that road, especially if the school isn't even an AAU school.
Really good point. I think it'll be a partial share and the ACC schools will be happy to take it. But could 2 conferences get into a bidding war over a school and drive up its revenue?
The SEC has always acted like they are above FSU even though Bama could not even steal Bowden or Norvell. Auburn cancelled games after FSU beat them. UF boycotted scheduling FSU until a state law forced them to play.
The Big 10 respects FSU because in the 80s Bowden and his road warriors upset pretty much all their top teams in their house. I respect the Big 10 for not being afraid to play teams like the SEC. UF went 40 years without playing a first game not at home. FSU is not a team that hides behind their conference and has pride in having a national schedule. The Big 10 is where its at for FSU it will be like their schedule from the 80s
I'm not trying to say this stuff doesn't matter, but that was a long time ago with different decision makers in place. I tend to think they will make good business decisions based on numbers and not worry as much about those things. But time will tell.
In 1993 they joined the ACC and the SEC took South Carolina. People talk about how great the SEC is but would you rather be FSU or USC. People call FSU a football school but I will give em credit they did what was best for the school at the time as the ACC helped raise the academic standards and research of the whole school
Back in the 90s when FSU joined the ACC they had been asking to join the SEC for a long time. The SEC would never extend an invitation. When the ACC extended the invitation so did the SEC. Thus FSU was already presented the choice SEC or ACC. And they chose ACC. After all the snubs, and now after all the recent BS, why on earth would FSU chose to go to SEC when the B1G is better and FSU can get paid as much if not more.
Edit - being and FSU alumni Association in Tallahassee after graduation, I don’t know of any FSU fans that are remotely interested in the SEC. It’s been decades of animosity between the SEC and FSU fans… despite what gets put on ESPN it’s not jealousy…. All FSU fans I know are excited to go to the B1G … and particularly enjoy that and doing so it will hurt the SEC
We’d like FSU, Clemson, Miami, maybe Georgia Tech, as I would guess the SEC is looking at North Carolina and Virginia. Big Ten wants a presence in Florida and the Carolina/Georgia area regards to viewers and recruiting. Plus, those 4 schools are a match with academics and research. I could see UNC going to the Big Ten though too. We always want Notre Dame should they ever get off the dime on joining a conference. 24 teams is about max at this point for Big Ten.
FSU may think they want the SEC but the SEC doesn’t want FSU.
I wouldn't want us either! We are climbing!
Big10 gives FSU waaaaaaaaay more money.
How so? I don't know them off the top of my head, and TV revenue looks pretty similar in both the Big 10 and SEC.
For fifty years hoped for SEC. Tallahassee is truly the deepest south. Recent disrespect and theft of a play off spot changes my loyalty to our SEC neighbors . The Seminoles will be a competitor the first game of the first year in either conference. Hope for the Big 10 now.
You really think FSU was better than Saban's Bama!? That's a bold claim w a healthy FSU team
@@christopherhooter1937 No , however the truth is history. Alabama the prodigal son got a slot someone else was entitled to.Are you sold out to the media Mafia ? 1937 if true deserves respect .
The Saban Bama team from 24' with their non throwing QB who got ran up in by wack ass Mich yup fully healthy FSU could potentially have beat dat ass absolutely
Back in the 90s when FSU joined the ACC they had been asking to join the SEC for a long time. The SEC would never extend an invitation. When the ACC extended the invitation so did the SEC. Thus FSU was already presented the choice SEC or ACC. And they chose ACC. After all the snubs, and now after all the recent BS, why on earth would FSU chose to go to SEC when the B1G is better and FSU can get paid as much if not more.
My friend , Saban is gone . It isn't Saban's Bama any longer . You are living in the rear view mirror. FSU joined the ACC because of basketball money. The football money changed over 40 years . Now football is king. Alabama sucks, because of low class repulsive ghetto culture fans . Now with a Yankee head coach. Don't remember after Bear Bryant, do you ? Your opinion and 7.50 The decades of firing coaches . Losing to Auburn every year. Enjoy your history, that's all you got now. Hope for FSU to be a Big 10 team right in the middle of SEC territory. The Big 10 pays more than the SEC. That makes the SEC second rate doesn't it ? Your opinion and 7.50 get you a coffee at Starbucks.
FSU will never be able to completely get away from ESPN…they practically own the playoff. Think they’ll allow FSU to get in if they go to the big ten?
How could they keep FSU out when the playoff field swells to 12 (or more) teams? ESPN is risking being sued over this.
@@JamiesonPercad they’re pretty close to being sued right now.
If any FSU fan says they prefer the B1G over the SEC, they're either still mad about the playoff snub, are only football fans and not fans of ALL sports at the school, or are lying. Not saying that the B1G isn't an attractive option, but the SEC is a better fit on every front EXCEPT academics and we all know what happened the last time FSU chose academics over everything else.
Good point!
B1G or bust!
Why though, SEC is superior conference.
More likely B1G or BIG12.
@@MrJara1018 just guessing, but the chances if FSU going to the SEC have to be extremely small right about now with openly fighting ESPN in court right now. Not to mention all the other reasons
@tarheel7460 A confirmed fool, fraud and troll has no standing nor competence to comment.
Sec......fsu made a mistake like texas did 40 years ago by turning down the sec. Why would any fsu fan want to make a road trip to Nebraska, oregon, Washington iowa, rutgers an northwestern 😂😂😂
Remember about 4 years ago vegas put out odds that said fsu was the next team to join the sec
It was no mistake…. Joining the B1G and enjoying a winning record over the SEC will be brilliant….F the SEC and ESPN …. nobody should like bullies
A road trip to Eugene means a weekend on the Pacific coast, maybe a road trip down U.S. Route 101 to Bandon for the golfers among you. Eat some Dungeness crab. Or a trip to Crater Lake, or elsewhere in the Cascade Mountains. SEC-like atmosphere in Autzen. Good beer in Eugene.
Husky Stadium is a great atmosphere as well, and one of the best settings for a football game in the country.
BIG 10….no SEC
ND, FSU, & Clemson to the BIG10
Big Ten!!!
B1G or Independent. Joining sec/espn is NOT an intelligent long term option. There's no way to measure how much more damage and disrespect FSU and the Noles would have to endure IF we join the sec/espn conference. It goes back to the old saying, "Screw me once, it's on you. Screw me twice, it's on me".
Or BIG12. ND barely makes indy work.
Absolutely agree with this comment…F the SEC and ESPN for the past decades of disrespect as well….
Independence is tough.
To everyone who says FSU Signed the GOR, so they have to deal with it. Yes, FSU signed it, but they did so under duress. The ACC told FSU to re-sign the GOR about 10 years ago, I believe?, and said if they didn’t sign it FSU would have to pay hundreds of millions of dollars to exit the conference. That’s like holding a gun to someone’s head and telling them to sign it, or else! The contract also states the ACC would do everything in its power to do what’s in FSU’s best interest. Clearly, they didn’t uphold their end of the contract.
I'm still not sold by this argument, but I'm also not a lawyer, nor do I have all the facts.
@saturdayswarriorbyu can you refute it? That's a reasonable argument esp compared to other conferences exit fees. To leave the B1G right now it cost zero dollars.
Even if it wasn’t entirely gun to the head, level of the rest, when you’re being forced to accept the league without preparation, and no Plan on where to go… In the college football world, it’s the same thing because we all know and are being reminded that it’s all about money. ….And FSU would’ve lost millions of dollars.
Big Ten
AAU isnt a requirement, BIG10 would help FSU w AAU
B1G all the way. eff sec
Big 10 is awful, boring football. SEC IS college football
I know ppl are butthurt over the CFP snub but the SEC makes more sense and FSU would make more money on a local level if they joined the SEC, most of the B1G teams won't travel to TLH to support their team the way even the middling SEC teams would.
Speak for yourself. Big 10 all day
Everyone make sure to catch part 2! I know I talked about the SEC in this one, but I drop my prediction of where we actually end up in the next one...😉
B1G Ten!!!!
Yes! 😅 Both are better options than staying in the ACC. Seriously though, thank you for having me on. I enjoyed it!!
I'm not sure why you want the SEC. Did you not interact with the fans? LSU fans were some of the worst and most conceited I've come across. They were just straight-up disrespectful. It's the same with Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Auburn, etc. Considering the B1G having more money, the snobbery of most SEC fans about FSU, and chaining ourselves to ESPN who actively worked on discrediting us and keeping us out of the CFI, I really can't stomach FSU joining that conference unless there's nowhere else to go.
Tangent: Your last name is kind of explicit in Spanish.
I think the argument for the SEC is because of how close they are for away games (and fans travelling to Tallahassee, too), the big game environments, and the fact that FSU would now get the same preferential treatment that the SEC gets.
I'm not a fan of SEC fans either. Trust me, I'm related to a bunch of them 😂 but I've seen some videos of pretty disrespectful fans in the B1G as well.
Traveling to B1G games just isn't doable for everyone. Also, while I understand not wanting any dealings with ESPN, they solely own the rights to the playoffs now, so that's impossible to a degree. Other than not making the playoffs, which we don't want lol
Personally, and we're all entitled to our own opinion, I'd rather see FSU play teams like LSU, Auburn, and Georgia than Purdue, Illinois, and Minnesota but I like the B1G with teams like USC, Oregon, and Washington now. I'm perfectly fine with the B1G and think that's where we end up when all of this is said and done.
Also, I've never heard that about my name. I'm going to have to look it up now. 🤔
@@plantthespear I'll agree to disagree. I've been hearing way more sour grapes from the SEC than the B1G. I've definitely had some run-ins with mostly Ohio State fans, but that's about it. The SEC fans love to perpetuate the myth that FSU turned down the SEC because "it was too hard." The truth is FSU tried to join the SEC since the 1960s if not the 1950s and when word got out that FSU was very likely going to the ACC in the early 1990s, the SEC took their ball and went home without a formal offer (for any SEC fans reading this).
I was actually of the same opinion before 2023: FSU to the SEC made too much sense. But with the money and the abhorrent treatment FSU got this past year, it's the B1G or bust for me. Purdue, Illinois, and Minnesota are more akin to Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Arkansas. Auburn, UGA, and LSU would be more like Michigan State, Michigan, and Penn State, IMO. Seeing FSU play Nebraska in the regular season would be so, so, so cool.
I never go to the away games anyway as dealing with all the travel and stadium logistics is always much more difficult than watching at home in HD for a tiny fraction of the cost. If I want to see a game in person, Doak is less than 30 minutes away (not including gameday traffic). If I were to travel, I wouldn't want to travel to any of the SEC towns except Austin. Even the ACC has better destinations for visiting FSU fans.
@@plantthespear Agree to disagree. Before 2023, I would agree with you: FSU to the SEC made way too much sense. After the abhorrent treatment and mouthy SEC fans, just no. Also I wouldn't compare those 3 A/B-tier SEC schools with C-tier B1G schools.
I don't travel to away games anyway. If I did, the only SEC place I'd want to visit is Austin. But I'd love to go to multiple B1G places, even Minnesota (Minneapolis) and Nebraska (home of some of the greatest fans in CFB). TV and AC are just too OP for me to seriously consider traveling to multiple away games every year.
@@encycl07pedia- "I've been hearing way more sour grapes from the SEC than the B1G."
Can you expand on this?
From my following this story from the TX/OK news, there has been a clear evolution of the FSU perspective on preferred destination. It started heavily in favor of the SEC, only shifting to the B1G ~1 year ago. That was before last season and the playoff snub. I suspect that FSU and its fans then started to realize that the SEC had low interest relative to other options and then started to "sour grape" the SEC.
FSU's scorched earth tactics likely made it even less attractive to the SEC and B1G; however, the later still desperately needs to expand south, so the "sour grapes" amplify.
Is it the GOR, which every team signed that is that private or is it the ESPN deal? Every ACC team saw had had access to the GOR because they all signed it.
Good follow up question. They would've had to have at least read it before signing it.
If I remember correctly, when the rumors started years ago neither the B1G nor the SEC went looking for FSU. Maybe they do have some agreement but this is risky.
The environment has changed, but ~10 years ago the B1G preferred MARYLAND and RUT (among others) over FSU and likely CLEMSIN.
@tarheel7460 UNC passed on B1G invites. A confirmed fool, fraud and troll has no standing nor competence to comment.
There's ONLY 1 thing to focus on.....TRAVEL. FSU fans, do you want to be in a group that your CLOSEST conference partner is ~1000 MILES AWAY???
Think about the scheduling & travelling headaches to factor around mid-week events. Then add the $, time away from school, etc..
The guest on the show kept bringing this up in the discussion, so he's aware of it.
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As an FSU fan, and I’m a baseball fan, the travel part really does suck! But F***, F***, F***the SEC, ESPN
If FSU joins the BIG and get an increase in the conference payout, will it off set the cost of travel in all sports though.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher Does NOT offset the travel itself nor scheduling.
&, to my knowledge, most schedules are 1/2 ROAD games.
I know, partly, about dealing with that when our state school sports group put my high school in a region where our 2nd CLOSEST region opponent was OVER 2 hours away (while the rest of the state had regions with opposite end opponents only ~1 1/2 hours away).